Episode 187: PR Hijack!

podcasting 2.0 for August 2 2024, episode 187 pr Hi Jack. We're early but hey, you know it's Friday. And if it's Friday, that means it's time for the official board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 everything that's happening in broadcasting all over the globe, you don't need to go anywhere else. You got to be right here we are, in fact, the only boardroom that has no gavel or meeting notes. I'm Adam curry here in the heart

Welcome to our first day of podcasting.

First day of podcasting.

Yeah, where we learn how to do a podcast. Oh, man,

there's so many moving. There's so many moving parts when it comes to doing the live stream and everything would have been fine. We're not for we're doing this show the board meeting an hour earlier. So I thought, well, I have a backup stream. I'll just do that. And let's make sure to put the right

We should have some kind of monitoring service like you know uptime monitoring for your API. Oh, I have a hearing service that says this is hey, this new time you just put it

broke. Are you sure that's right. This stream doesn't seem to work. Are you sure that's right. Yeah, wouldn't Oh, good. Spurlock I'll put another split for you for that service.

Yeah, like a sentence. That's part sanity, sanity.

Sanity service. PSS Exactly. Yeah, I should be podcast monitoring service and we could call it PMS.

Sorry. That would. That would. Yeah, that's great marketing. No, no, no. So well.

Apologies for getting everybody into the board meeting earlier. Hello, board meeting. We see you there. My my issue. Tina and I are flying up to Frisco, Texas. Today. We have been invited to some kind of cool dinner with all kinds of crazy people including Charlie Kirk. General Flynn. Neighbor, neighbor, Laura Logan. Oh, Lord. Oh yeah. Oh lord is right. To be a hootenanny. We're like you know as like, we actually can't turn this down we've got to go it's just too funny. So I have to

go you have to go what's one of those things you gotta go to just because like you need to be able to say that you went like

Yeah, exactly. Apparently this 500 People there so I have no idea I mean, there's someone bought a table our friends it's like oh, you should should join us. And while there you get us to show material Exactly. So I'm flying up myself. We got instructor and bringing in the the Cirrus G six turbo with parachute I always have to add with parachutes So Tina feels better about it. She hates throwing in these things.

She hate flying period.

I love it.

I mean 100% hate it I just do not like anything about flying I never have good I mean like it just makes me I don't know I don't like the I don't like the experience of of setting it up where you're where you're like the boarding the ticketing I don't that cancel the waiting if you're gonna get delayed or

no i don't i don't like in fact if I can fly direct within the United States I will I'd rather flight not fly then then have to transfer somewhere and if it's under 700 Miles I'll fly myself because it just faster it's just faster. Now you just I mean the airport is five minutes from our house the way this flight school is set up I'm technically a student which I am and so I you know 65 bucks an hour for the instructor and and

If you're not like them that you're like the soup guy from Seinfeld or with

no routing for you know vectors for you.

You Paul's you're toast.

I want to thank you Dave for giving me some good advice, which is you advise me on a replacement laptop for the for the studio machine as you know I had that horrible boy Oh, everything blew up. Everything crashed. Everything's all toast and gone and no good.

And you get the one that that I recommended. Yes, I

got the ThinkPad Lenovo ThinkPad G three l 13. I got the lighter one, the, the one that was lighter,

that we enter in light weight light weight was yeah, 2.4

pounds or whatever. Now what I've not done is I really was on the fence, like, should I clone my studio drive and then clone it to that and like, you know? Because you said, Well, it'd be easy. You just have to load the drivers from a USB for the network. And then it all pops up. I'm like, No, I don't think so. But

you already see okay. You already recently wiped and start this thing. You started from scratch, like just a couple of weeks ago. Yeah. Right. So this is a relatively clean dry. Yeah. Now it's a recent build is what I'm saying. There's not a bunch of crap where I didn't like five years of bloat on it. No, but this is a clean clone, man, I'm

afraid and also there's one other thing. Just afraid Dave I'm afraid there's one other thing is that the studio machine has let me see the studio machine has a long way to go up to this PC has a 256 gigabyte drive

Okay, the one you're cloning from

Yeah, and the one I'm cloning to has a terabyte but then there's no problem. No problem but then you just you doesn't show up as an extra drive instead of giving you all that extra free space. No,

no. Okay, so you I mean, your your method here is download Clonezilla Yeah, and I got put it on a boot. Yeah, put it on USB drive with Rufus. Yeah. Then get you then get a Rufus

and Chaka Khan.

Yes. Rufus Wainwright is the last name of the Rufus boot thing that nobody knows. If you boot it with Rufus, then or excuse me, you attach an external drive. Yeah, sort of like external USB drive. Boot it with boot with Clonezilla. Yeah, doing it do a device to image clone. Yeah, pointing it at the at the your external drive that you plugged in, yes. And then save it as an image file, go to the new

Oh, so scary. So what gears? I'm scared. Yes, I'm traumatized. Yes. Correct. You're

scared of what you're scared of is that if you Clonezilla to this new machine, it's going to get you out of the factory install of this new machine in such a way that you're not going to be able to get back to anything for that user, or that weird

things are going to happen because it has all these bells and whistles that it's expecting to load. I don't know. So, so the question is, will the Dell drivers work on the Lenovo out of the box? Or will I have to go and then download because I went to the download site for the Lenovo drivers and says this is out of date. This is unsupported, this is no good. You're a loser, loser, loser loser. And it's freaked me out.

You're the most some of the drivers will work most of them will not. And most likely the network driver will not work. So you'll go before you start this process or from a different machine, you'll doubt go to the download page from Lenovo for the for the drivers for that machine, the new one, download the network card drivers, stick it on the stick

other drivers it'll recognize and just start doing that.

If you go to it in Chrome, it'll it'll prompt you to install a little like a little stub app that will that will give an infinite it's like a

you said stub and immediately I got chills up my spine. It's

like prompts us is the Lenovo service bridge. Okay, let's be you do that and in order to texting machine says here here's

here's all your drivers. So Chrome Bing edge

no not edge Chrome for some reason the Lenovo support that will never service bridge will not install. So notch ray

will either not brave it has to be no, no this See, these are things I wouldn't it's not in your instruction manual.

Lenovo does not understand that anybody uses anything but Chrome.

Yeah. All right. Well, thank you, I appreciate it. Maybe when we get back from Frisco, I'll give it a shot.

The The other thing, the other thing to do is before you start Clonezilla, the Lenovo to the to the, to the external drive as well. Oh, just in case, just in case and you can revert. So like, when you click Clonezilla a big thing, it'll only a big drive, it'll only use the space. If you tell it to there's an option in this A to only use that used space. So you may click clone a terabyte drive, but the file in the image file it produces may only be you know 100 gigs. Right? Right. Right. Okay.

Thank you. Yes, please

don't do this until you get back. Well,

and the whole point of me asking you is so that if I run into trouble I know I can ask you for help. Because you know, I just want to know if I deal with these every single day.

A client we clone hundreds of these. Yeah, I have

to say I really liked the job board on that machine. It's nice.

It was a good machine. And it

still has the pistol has the OG little rubber nub.

Yeah, and I mean the the Chinese make a nice machine for

Chinese. Hey, man. So last time we spoke was in this capacity was you're in Nashville and now I got calls from radio guys saying how do you how did you do that? How did you do that remote? I said well, we sent an advanced team out a week ago and they ordered all the lines and they set it all up and they tested Lytro satellite truck tested the studio we had

A little weird for me. It kind of annoyed annoyed me a little bit because I mean this was nothing that well. Okay, so I finally met James and Julie Costello. And I guess Jim I'm sorry, not James. Jim and Julie great. I mean they're just

is kind of like a prince perfectionist type guy. He got to have everything just right you know Yeah, I noticed he

brought his own sound guy he brought his own sound guy up there sound good.

Gotta hand it to him gotta hand it to him. That's what you do. And so you couldn't hear the end of booster Graham balls while you're saying

oh, it is fun

how did it look? Because you know what I did was I put my my Mr list up on the screen I had the split kit change in the album art I had myself and a little window to that look at anything that was okay. Yeah, look great. I

mean, the screen there's not it wasn't a good setup for a huge screen but they had a decent sized screen there. Like it would have been cool if there was like a like a sort of like a projector. Same type thing with a bigger image now but they had like they had a screen set up the one that was showing like the leaderboard and all that that big screen setup and I walked over there and just was watching because I've never seen your in mirrorless setup so I was watching that is really

how that works when when I when I hit the song The album marked changes you see the you see the split kid go active and the booster grams coming in and all that stuff. Yeah,

it was so cool. And like Jim made Jim knows how to run a tight ship man. Like yeah, I mean that he was getting him he was getting those artists on and off and soundcheck in, and I mean, like, it went so smooth. There was only a couple of hitches and one was. So right before those two things happened, so owns Friday. Who was ill his or her before was playing. So herbivores plan, and they they started with just a few people in the house. I mean, it was like maybe 20 people by

Well, I thought they can hold 400 like 400. I thought they could have

if I guarantee you there was every bit of capacity in there. Really? I mean, it was yes, it was, it was a lot, which was awesome. But so half or so but about 15 minutes into their set. Okay, Julie said room cap was 650. I mean, it's he knows horror, really hard to tell. But I was having trouble kind of moving my way through the crowd. So many people there were. So about 15 minutes into the set, I guess. The I tried to boost to a boost of 50,000 SATs. And then about a few minutes later, I

boosted a million SATs in total? Because you're just boosting and boosting?

No? Well, let's talk about that too. Because this was an interesting setup the way that way they had a role in the way Dobby does.

Well, we had about eight different pages to look at which was interesting by itself. The

the way that it was in, in the in the concert in the venue was you had a on the screen, you know there was a QR code, you hit the QR code, it comes up to a essentially a page where you can fill in the booster ground, you can put in your message, how many sets what your name is all this kind of stuff, just add an HTML form. You do that? And it gives you an A bolt 11 invoice you pay you pay it in rice,

which was kind of cool. By the way, that was kind of cool the way that worked. Yeah,

it was it was really neat because it what it generates the bolt 11 in the background using an lb wallet, and then pay it with all the details, all the TLV record details and the splits recorded then then you pay that in that invoice, and then the Alby wallet takes care of do is sending out all the different shares to everybody. So it's

scan the QR codes and your SATs and I get to Adobe dot set that up the split forwarding system? I'm

not sure I thought he did. I think he did. But I'm not sure maybe somebody can correct me. I'm pretty sure he did. Yes, he did. Okay, so the what happened was I went to send another 50,000 and it didn't work so I can't so I was like okay, well I'll try 25 and then 25 worked from Okay, was there something to limit or something? So then add 100,000

sets at one point. So I saw it working at

that level. And then I tried and then I realized what was happening we there was some sort of limit because it would only work if you sent progressively smaller and smaller boosts. And so out what had happened was the the lb wallet that this stuff was tied to on the back end was choking had a 24 hour set limit on it. You can only do so many transactions. It was like 2 million or something or 1 million that's

like trying to trying to think and you have a T one and you're actually on a 56k dial up.

Yeah, so So who am like Hey, who is this thing is this thing exactly? likes it was weird. So he put in some logging saw the code saying that there's a limit in this way. So either when it switched over to his own personal Alby wallet as the escrow wallet, and everything started working again. Okay, that was that happened on Friday then on Saturday, getting ready for booster grand ball. The the saw the live socket for the

cohorts of cores of horrors that happen. Yes, of course. Yes,

of course. And then we're like, okay, we're trying to get in touch with Stephen B. And we're getting Stevens had radio silence going on. So we were like, Well, okay, crap. So I took the chat that podcast index.org, which is like in limbo and never used any more. I took that and set up an nginx reverse proxy on it to basically proxy those WebSocket from Dobby dasa site,

calm man, to Steven bass. Oh, wow. Awesome. WebSocket.

And it were like a charm, man. I mean, is is crazy. So we solved that when like,

you did a reverse proxy. That's what you did. Reverse proxies

and nginx Yeah, it can nginx can can reverse proxy, a WebSocket connection. Yeah, that's what you

do. And you're behind a NAT firewall, you also can do reverse proxy, right.

Now, this is a little different, because what so what a lot of people do is they'll have a web application, running on localhost, and let's just say port 8888. And then you'll set up an nginx, reverse proxy in front of it. So running on 443, and an ad. And then you'll take all the incoming connections, and then just send them to localhost. You're sort

I can tell you that for boosted Graham ball from the 27th. Until What's the last entry here? July 30, because it's been no more boost since then. 1,184,464 sets of the artists.

Wow. That's amazing. Yeah.

I have no idea. I guess that was added to the to the total. I don't know. I mean, I obviously I put a split in there for RSS blue. So the Dhobi Gus WDS could set it up on his thing. So I don't know. No,

ideally, Julie said the border and she said no, that that wasn't added to the total.

Okay, let me give you that total again. 1,184,464. Not bad people.

I feel like my my rough sort of like guessed the math was somewhere around $3,500 I think went through this system total. That's just kind of worded the way I felt it was going adding together that's adding together. Vinyl lounge bands, bitcoins all three days, this green ball, I mean, all of it.

So cool. The whole thing was great. And do we know do we sign up new artists? Did new people come on board? Were people interested? I mean, what was the general vibe in the in the house?

I mean, I don't know about that part. I don't know about the artist part. But I know there was a lot of people there that there's a lot of people there with like names I recognized and some that I didn't they felt new to me whether they're actually new or not, I don't know. But

now all those zaps, they also went through the Dhobi das System. And then we're transmogrified into split.

All the ones that came from the venue itself or from the live stream web page, okay, the ones that came, you know, and then of course, you got to add to those, you know, the ones that went through the podcasts and 2.0 apps directly if you're listening live on podcast guru or fountain or something like that those were different.

But that's that's very valuable if we can ever make that work without it being a money transmitter, which of course I think it always will be I've no idea.

I mean, it shouldn't be, you know,

No but yeah you don't know. And unfortunately though because I was I was looking at the I was bouncing back and forth I watched a lot on podcast guru was just does video just just does a video fine and I think I I popped in for a second to checkout true fans and but a lot of my you know my main screen was the fountain screen. And so I tried to get the nostril chat working but I never could I mean, I have the nostril extension and all that I just couldn't get it to

I got man to work but it was not my that I had to log in to fountain to get it to work. Like I couldn't get it with just the extension that I did. But then you know, then of course now then it's not my right?

You're just some some rando.

A plebe

but you know, for me, it really showed once again that I have no idea of how many people were watching or how many streams we generated. I have no idea. I don't think anyone has any idea. And nor does it really matter. Because, you know, music Mama says 6 million SATs total. So that's pretty good. Six sets? Yeah, about $3,700 I guess just a quick back of the napkin?

That was my thought too. Yeah. Yeah,

that makes that makes sense. You know, I was listening today I heard was a pod news. That Patreon. They say they paid out I'm not sure. There was like podcasters made I don't know if that means that's what they made, or that was the payout. Or I'm gonna think it was the total number before Patreon cut etcetera. $350 million last year. I mean, that's, I mean, it's a version of value for value. I don't like

Did they get a saw that number? I saw that story too was? Did they give a count of how many podcasters that

included? I don't think so. No, cuz I thought they did. And I gotta wonder. Maybe thought it

was like 40,000 or something. Really? That's also that's good. Let

me see. Let me see the most recent pod news.

Where is here we go. Patreon. Let me see.

I don't see it in the Oh, yeah. 40,000 podcasters are earning income on Patreon. As they build and grow their business.

So said they paid out 350 million to podcasters businesses 40,000 creators are earning they, you know,

yeah, that's that's sketchy. That's sketchy. That's sketchy.

I don't know what that any of that means. Yeah.

I mean, I find that sketchy. Because

if you just do that math, which I don't, obviously, but you know, not ride me your joke about like nine grand per podcast or don't? That's a lot. That's a lot.

That seems high. To me, there's going to be a few who make a lot more. That's the way it always is skewed to

the top. Yeah. And I want to talk about that too, until like with, with AD skipping, and downloads and all that kind

of thing. Why don't you want to take it away? Well,

I mean, I did bring a PowerPoint. But

let me turn on screen sharing for you, Dave.

But I did want to say I do want to follow up and say like, I didn't meet a lot of great people. In Nashville, it's awesome to see people's faces. You know, you, you talk to people for years, online, and through chats and forums and such, but you see their face and you talk to them for five minutes. And it's like you like you've known them forever. Yes, yeah. You finally have a, like, a real sense of who the person

nobody does. In Dobie das and the Costello's Costello incorporate Lowe's. Oscar

and Nick from fountain I mean, like Zach from indie hub, Michael and Michael and Sam from wave Lake. Saw wrote, you know, Of course, Roy and TMK were there. I mean, like there was just so many pay in a coastal car in a car and so I room I split an Airbnb with chyron over there and then he wrote, he wrote back. He wrote back with me to Birmingham. So realize, Oh, cool. Yeah. Yeah. He wrote back with me because he

You don't have a guest room in that policy. Yours. We do, but

it doesn't have like a it doesn't have a bed. Okay. Yeah.

All right. Everybody booths booths for Dave's bed.

Tiny Tim can't afford a bed. But he's been. So he. On the way back. We had to stop. And, you know, I gave him the full because he's never been to the US before. This is first trip to the US. Oh, wow. So I had to give him the false se experience. So we stopped at buches. All right, filled up the tank and bolt in Boston nuts, some buches nuts. This is what we're gonna send you home with as your first United States experience is buches. Beaver nuggets? That's you? Yeah, there

On electric carts? Yes. Exactly. Beautiful. Beautiful. Anyways,

it was great. Yeah, I guess what? I've been watching this. And I think, gosh, we got so much to talk about I know where to start? Well,

you had a lot to talk about in the last show, which we didn't get to. So I'm just I'm just leaving it up to you. I mean, the only thing obviously, I'm still anticipating and excited about is Oscar's demo of the bolt 11 of the new Bolt 11 system that we're we're hoping to implement. And hopefully he'll get his stripe API stuff sorted out.

The I am trying to resist jumping in to do that. Because I've got I've got this laurelville side project that I'm working on.

No, no. He said he was going to do it.

Yeah, but he's having trouble with his account thing. Well, when

I account does he want an account? You can use my account? I'll give him my account. If

that if that detachment from the mint. Yeah, I didn't detach it from the man. But I turned I turned the mint off. By the way, if you had, if you still have funds on the mint, I mean to talk about like three people. If you have funds on the mint, just tell me I'll send it back to you. Because it's deactivated right now. No, it's not running. Dave

fed Jones.

Is a random Mexico with your money. What

do you know? So I saw that breeze implemented liquid? Do you know anything about liquid at all? It seems like, you know, the marketing of it is well, here's another way to do with lightning. And it's and it's much easier, but it's not really yours. And is that something that you'd want to look at?

I talked to Roy about it a little bit. And he he said it would work. But an add on ROI was so ROI was so down he was in. He was in we're all screwed mode.

Oh, yeah. Well, he because he read the 8000 word Whitney Webb article, Whitney Webb art. I'm like bro, calm down a little bit. I mean, you know Whitney Webb Okay, sure. She's with her everything leads back to Epstein. It's like every everything is is Mossad blackmailing you for for for weird sex you have is like he calmed down. Now. What do you because I had a long chat with him over a signal. And he's like, Well, their dollar rising everything like well, you know,

Have you seen how much this? This is a deep cut here, but have you seen how much? How many Treasuries are owned by tether?

That's my point. It's it's their range size of a country. Yeah, yeah, there's soaking it all up and at a certain point, people gonna be like, Oh, is that is that thing really secure that stable coin that tether thing where you want to add a little bit coin in there?

It's kind of terrifying. It's I mean, really, if you think about it, it's kind of scary to think that a private company owns that much. US Treasury bonds. Yeah. As well freaky.

Make no mistake. Trump understands macro economics. He really does. And so when I heard him say, this is like the new steel. This is like oil. What are you drinking?

Oh, crap. This is? Waterloo, lemon lime.

Oh, that's good. Yes, Waterloo is good. Yes. It has quote unquote natural flavors. Don't

worry. It's all natural. It's all natural.

Be I when I heard him going, like, yeah, you know, he, he sees it for what it is. And it is. I mean, there was a great what Bitcoin did that Peter McCormick did with some dudes who sound like they know what they're talking about. It was but I was just like, oh, this look for sure bitcoin is doing something as evil or people are showing up for it. So it can't just be for the for the Bitcoiners who are out there. It's got to be for more you know.

It's not it's not just for the it's not just for the loud music. No,

no, no.

Well, you know it I guess kind of on that note a little bit before I get in this ad thing. The Bitcoin Conference itself does this people are tone deaf man. They don't you had you had this giant usage going on? Right outside your doors? Oh, yeah. Yeah, this bugs me too. And of, of lightning. And like real this is the real list of real world scenarios of actually using Bitcoin to, to transfer to transfer money. Without intermediate. I mean, this is everything they talk about.

no. And if they even know about it, they all think it's either only noster or only fountain because no one actually does any any investigation. I know. I know. It's what it is.

They're so concerned about getting politicians to speak and in fun that you know, in big financial players, that they completely just ignore every every bit of like, Grant, you know, ground boots on the ground.

Well, there they are. There. A conference organizer? Yeah, that's what you do. I was looking at someone, someone Eric pepper sent me every back issue of Wired, going back to 2000 through the mail. Weird, very, very, and in like 2006 I don't have it in front of me. There was this the new music business, it's all going to change. It's all going to be fantastic. We got drone audiences. And this is before Spotify and all that stuff. And in general, nothing in Wired Magazine ever plays out.

None of it ever.

None of it. It's amazing. Even they hadn't even 2002 ai same promises in 2002. We have 22 years later, none of it's happening. Except chatbots. Got Chatbot.

Alex sent me this thing. Twitch is doing like a DJ streaming thing. Did you see that? Yeah, I

looked into that what a bunch of hooey. So only like via

the subsidy program.

I don't know about what's the subsidy program?

Well, it seems the best we could figure out was it seems like what's going to happen so they're available. It's it's kind of like tick tock. It's C is C it reads this way. For anybody on the platform can can stream licensed music. And if you actually make money from it, then they're going to start to do a rev share. No,

no, no, no

labels.

No, I look I looked at this. Okay, so it's only music that they have licensed for you to play. It's not like you can just tell Make any music and start playing it. So it's only from the library they make available, but I don't know how much that is or how limited it is that depends on what they got the blanket license for live only, so you can't record it, it can you can't go back and look at one can only be in live

a rev share in reverse because yes, share some of the revenue. Yes,

exactly. You get and they literally call them bits here's a bit for you got a bit so now it's dumb is dumb.

This dumb well.

I think it's dumb, whatever. It's fine people. I mean, there's been enough about the the Twitch payouts that's been you know, it's been chopped in half. And there's all kinds of stuff going on there. And you really hold on to a company that can kick you off at a in a heartbeat. You know, if you do too much of one artists, if you you know you have you can't be like a jukebox. So you can't take requests. I mean, all kinds of stuff you can't do.

If so, what that gets me some we need to talk about. Let's do namespace real quick.

Let's do namespace.

And now it's time for some hot namespace talk. Yeah,

it's been a while but we're back in the saddle.

So the the thing I did last night was added the content link tag to be also you to be also a child of the item tag. So before it was only used as an it was only possible to add the content, the podcast colon Content link tag, to a podcast colon live item tag. Now you can add it to a normal item as well. Oh, okay. So, I mean, this is this is really just, you know, the content link is there to allow you to link out to external content that's outside of the app. So like a YouTube

Yes.

And we can probably talk more about that next week. The but the licenses by I feel like we need to talk about this because I want to get that tied up. Hopefully this weekend, okay. To do is the is the music license. So I'm trying to understand where we are on that is, here's here's my license and in music, here's

my understanding. My understanding is that the Costello's have worked on and I think they did a lot of it with Sam Sethi on what they're calling a music license. And I'm

wherever this thing, so this the music license is sort of like a It's sort of like a unicorn. I've heard that it exists, but I've never actually seen it in the wild. So if if somebody if if Julie horse or Sam or somebody can like, send me a blurry photo of the unicorn

along with Bigfoot, and we're good to go.

Yeah, if somebody can send me a blurry image of this thing, I will put it into the namespace. And also, so is there also a podcast license? Because you're okay, here's, here's what

I think. thing maybe, I don't know. Okay,

I've stayed out of have stayed out of some of this discussion because it's outside my lane, and inlet and other people deal with it. So what I've seen referenced is a music license, a podcast license and a V for V license. Right. I don't know which ones are those are separate entities or they the same thing? I don't know. Okay, well, we

have music mama on the back bench in the in the boardroom, she says we're consolidating. And we just need it to be a name. And I personally really liked the V four v license. Because that's what it is. I mean, you're you're sharing value back to someone whose content you use in a value enabled situation. Now if in the colloquial language that's called a V free music license, that's fine. And by the

Julie, Julie, send me send me what you got. And I will I will get everything because what I did was I went through and took out the entire long list of open source licenses yes like 300 that took all that out and put it back in put only back in the Creative Commons licenses and then whatever this this new thing is going to be so it's just a short list in that list will seed podcast hosting company you eyes and you know I cast upon you as any anybody who needs access to

Okay, excellent. Good

if it's not right, if we figure out something's wrong, yeah, we can change it. Yeah, we can change it just like you know, this is a 1.8 V for V license 1.0 And we'll change it to a 1.1 or something like that.

Yep. Yep, perfect. Perfect.

Okay I think all I did with the

that's all you did was

well for some of the for some reason the face seven has been a real humongous pain in the butt

we've been busy it's been summer

he has been kind of busy but it's also been like these things are some of these things are like heaven required a lot of legwork like you know like the the like the licensing thing is people have to do a lot of stuff and then the keys like the keys end dress right lighting interesting that took I mean that took a while took a while yeah. of going back and forth and trying to just figure out I mean it zoom meetings and stuff like these are just kind of like annoying. This is the

Sam just boosted in with 1000 SATs as we call it the podcast license bill we're will rename it to V for V license so we can include clips in the future. Yes. Good. Okay, that

makes it makes perfect perfect. Okay, cool. Says since in me things

yes. And he says they send your things people send your thing is because

what's left on the list is see what have we done already? We've added the case of phase seven, we've added the publisher, medium and publisher feeds those are thing now. acts as a chat, we added the chat tag. And you know what I think category this is sort of starting to feel like such a big phase

categories and tags as categories if I recall. Yeah.

And I know we need that really bad. I'm just man, that's a lot. I think they're, I don't know. I mean, I hate to just keep this thing going forever. I'm gonna have to think about that. I'm gonna think back because I think I think we kind of know what to do. I feel like I feel it, here's it, here's what it is. I feel like phase eight is going to be just categories or tags slash tags. And which is which is

big, which is going to be a big one. That's not an easy one to do.

And if you mess it up, it's bad. Yes. So one of them is that yeah, I feel like we're gonna need to and know that it's a huge pain in the butt. I mean, because it for the for music, especially we really need some categories. Yeah, genres tags. What everyone cool. But I feel like we just need to wrap this this other thing up is getting lost in that shuffle. And I would say phase a really almost needs to just be nothing but that Yeah, so we can all focus on the one thing Yes,

was wondering how that was going. Yeah.

I was working with Zach and Dante on the backend for the last month or so. They're excellent. Cuz they didn't know how to do HLS or any of that stuff. And they've got all that working now. Cool. Yeah. So they're going to need categories as well. Yeah. genres. So anyway, that there's just I think, I think we just need to put that in. In Phase

But I just wanted to respond, I haven't listened to all of it, just listen to a little bit of Pardons weekly review. And I just want to express my feelings. So they were talking about audiobooks. And I truly believe audiobooks can work value for value. I think you can start off each chapter with your pitch. I mean, there's always to do it, I firmly believe in that. But I do not believe and I just want to say it. So I know Sam's listening, I just want to say

What do you mean, what why not?

People will not move to that I just I have no if there's no evidence that people will move to a model of I'm going to pay as I go. I just don't believe it. You need the value for value concept needs to come from an ask and from a and ingratitude. It can't just be I'm throwing this stuff up and you should use this app and pay me it's just it. There's no reason for it to work. So it's so saying instead of a subscription, or a paywall model, you just everyone just

It's just different versions of Usenet. In 1999, downloading TV show episodes. Yes. You know, or movies. Yes. You know, there's a it's not it's not any different than that. I mean, it's not I think I understand what you're saying about the, you're just say you're just saying that the ad that if the ask is not there, then that's the problem. Yes.

Be as you got to explain yourself to you got to explain how it works. What you're doing. Right.

It's the stream because um, because the first thing I'm you know, thought when you said that was last stream says to shows all the time, and don't boost I mean, I stream as I'm listening, but it's because that is because they do is because they ask yes. Yeah, because like the shows, the shows I do that for our shows that coder radio, Putney pod news, weekly review.

Yeah, I mean, I stream to shows that I really care about 200 SATs a minute standard fare, I don't care what the bitcoin price is. It's just 200 SATs a minute. But it's like, you know, if saying micro payments will work. It's like saying, okay, so every person who walks by the guy playing in the subway is guaranteed to put money into the jar? No. No, well,

the reason true fans, I think the reason true fans is not not on the audio books. I'm thinking I'm just I'm not thinking about the audio books. Right now I'm thinking about something like true fans or fountain is because they're sort of interceding and doing the ask to a certain degree on on behalf of the podcaster. Or there's like a there's a there's an ask this being overlaid on top of a podcaster, who's not doing the Ask agreed. So that it's like that works to a

Yeah. Sam is is boosting away like crazy. But the bottom line is, if you can make it work, I'm happy for you to make it work. But now you become a platform, and you're a platform where people come to your platform to do things in a certain way. And that's okay.

Yeah, I mean, well, the plat, the platform like, like in the, in the case of true fans of fountain, the platform is the ask, as long as their standard, you know, in their standard compliant with, with open protocols. And that, you know, peer and peer to peer payments and that kind of thing. So the, the platform becomes the ask, because there's so many people that are just not asking. Yes.

Yeah, I mean, if you can create, and I think that Sam's vision, which is okay, but it's not value for value, it's He keeps talking about a micro payments model, okay. The reason why there's no micro payments model is because it won't work. In my humble opinion. I've been doing value for value for a long time. It's tough. It's tough, and it's a roller coaster, and you got to keep reminding people, I will just keep saying it. You got to keep reminding people, that this is how it

you know, in a very early version of this was the Mises Institute. They, they were doing this in like 1999. So what they what they did in there, they're located down here in Auburn, Auburn, Alabama, they, they start they made, they took all they would go to all this trouble to find these old books, let's just let's just say, an old book like barley bum Bobrick or, or Adam Smith, or like these old works that were that had

the here's the pitch. It's actually $48 for the hardcover, this so they have hardcover, $48 by hardcover, and then they have PDF, download free PDF $0. And it says underneath that price should not be a barrier to knowledge access, which is why providing the PDF version of this book free to download donations to support this effort provide free ebooks are welcome and appreciate it. You can donate via PayPal or send cheques. And I know that they did good money

So that goes over into, into, as you can tell about ads skipping, you know, because that's kind of a big deal right now.

Yeah, I haven't really followed that closely. But

well, which is it's the whole thing is funny. So there's new this new app came out. That's No,

I heard this. This sounds like a kid who has never even looked at podcasting. Really?

I didn't, I did not hear the interview. Oh,

I did. He's like, Yeah, you know, people should be able to support podcasters directly, they should not to take ads out welcome.

Yeah. ad load, like ad load is a huge deal, like it's becoming is becoming more of a problem to the point where, you know, it's gotten, it's gotten bad enough to where things like this are going to start to be a thing. And I guess, I guess, you know, there's always this ethics issue that comes up around this, but, uh, so I had a couple of thoughts. If you're down, sorry.

Sorry, someone if you're downloading

is, okay, this goes back to the beginning of podcasting. Pot trying to figure out a swarm of thoughts, your podcast apps. You should always, in my opinion, podcast apps should always download the episode before playing it. I think what Marco did on the recent release of overcast is exactly the correct right thing to do. The some at some point in the game when bandwidth got faster. Podcast apps started to emerge in I don't know if it was stitcher or who was the first to

Yeah, it was done at the time for bandwidth constraints for bandwidth

constraints. But that is the bird that is the birthright of podcasting, first ride is downloading the episode. And then for later playback. Now, whether that playback whether that quote later playback is like, three seconds later, or three days later, is sort of irrelevant. In the street streaming started to creep its way into podcast apps, you know, a few years into podcasting, and everything just

You know, and this is it. I'll concede to this. If you're going to have speed enhancers, audio enhancers, if you're going to, you know, once you've downloaded the episode, and you're you're changing it to listen to it the way you want to listen to it. It's fair game. Yeah. And, you know, I can

Yeah, yep. I remember I cast ematic does that. Okay, so

it's like, Yeah, Ben, if, if we're all going to be fine with with transmogrifying, my beautifully produced audio into something that's faster, or that has enhanced sound capabilities, which is really what Marco started with, that I'm okay. I have to be okay with that. Even though I think it's bad for your brain, that's the main thing is like, why you do that? Why would you run past the Mona Lisa?

Which leads me to the sort of, sort of an idea is why can't you? Why can't apps. So we have this we have this idea that you're going to that have you know, the download is the is the heart and soul of of the metric. Why could you not as an app, send a head request for that enclosure? after the fact when somebody hits its play. The first time they hit the hit play on the episode, you just send an HTTP header request with with a parameter

or this like it will ring like it was played like hey,

or a header. Something in there either a header or a URL parameter. This says this was played well, bad playback.

I can tell you right now that no one in the advertising business wants that.

Right, but I'm sure you know why. Yes, exactly. Because they don't actually want to know how many people played it. They want downloads, because the download number is always way bigger, correct? Yes. But the that would be something that that would be something that apps apps could provide. If they wanted to play back a true playback number. Yeah, that would be not, it would not be bandwidth intensive, it would just be a very simple thing. I guess I started thinking about

around. Yeah. Which is why Spotify in their quarterly report claimed 6 million podcasts. Okay, yeah, exactly. Sure.

I just, I stopped auto ingesting anchor podcast feeds and Spotify for podcaster feeds into the index like a year ago. Oh, yeah. And without that noise in the stats, you see a more accurate picture of how many shows are actually publishing. And so that number has been gradually declining. Yeah. And the reason I'm bringing this up is because the, if you look at the rates that were put that James published the other day, his See, look at this is for July, for July of

And you're not taking inflation and all that into account. That's what I was about to say is the valuation of the money.

You've had an 8% drop in CPM. And about a 17% rise in inflation. Yeah. Over two years. What, you know, one reason the podcast ad market hasn't tanked yet is because advertising, we advertise or they're getting a bang up deal. Right. They are. I mean, they're their prices over their cost over time for ads. There's going going down. Yeah, but it sucks for podcasters Yeah, so the ad supported for ad supported podcasters. It hits. It hits the lower middle class of podcasting the hardest,

like, just like the real economy. Yeah.

Yeah, thanks fed. So I mean, like a show with, let's see, was a shirt like a show with it's got 100 like 100,000 downloads a month. That would be $2,300. Right? 100 times see me 100 times 23 per 1000. So that's $2,300. So in 2022, if you had 100 for one ad for one ad, for one ad, yes, for one ad for 1/62

That's that's no agenda level. No, I'm sorry. That's per episode. No, no, it's was terrible. It's a 10th of no agenda. So yeah. Okay, got it. Still

a very decent sized show. Yeah. In. So in 2020 2020, fours brez give me a 2022. He was bringing in $2,300. That same show with the same download metrics and 2024 is bringing in $2,100. They're licking $200. Less. Yeah. So that show, let's say that show is like a 90 minute a week podcast, maybe you were paying, then you're maybe you're paying like in 2020. And maybe you're paying at somebody like 100 bucks a show to edit it, you're not good at editing. So you pay an editor to clean up

well, if you're coming into podcasting to make money, I advise you find a lawn mowing gig, that's better. Seriously, I mean, the advertising ultimately always leads to censorship is not self censorship. We've got Garm now Garm is and you know, even Twitter is signed up to guard we're not going to be brand safe. It's like ah, that's okay.

I think it's great. Right? For the for the longer term, because as every month that that CPM rate just stay stagnant.

Yeah, that's, that's the more erosion there is.

That is further erosion, which it pushes, it pushes average, it pushes podcasters that do want to make money, which is I mean, that's only a small, you know, it's not a it's not the majority. We know the majority of podcasters just do it, because they want to. But that section that does want to make money podcasting, it pushes them into things that are more sustainable. Hey, look, here's your value. You know, whatever.

Here's a sustainable model, pod news, pod news, very sustainable model, it starts off telling me who the sponsor is today. And there may or may not be some stories in there from a sponsor from time to time doesn't really bother me. And then it ends. And sometimes there's people who support the show bronze, silver gold, they get to mention his fine, it's fine. And it's not a 62nd hand. It's like this is brought to you by you know, Magellan AI or Magallon depending on where

Yeah, I think that that's the that's Is this the thing that has to go away? And that's where all this see that's where all this CPM BS right Oh she comes CPM erosion comes from. Yeah, it comes from that. It comes from that just broken model. And I think the, the more the more that the quicker that whole thing can just collapse is the better. Shall

we play a song? Yes, please. So the booster grand bowl episode 23 that I did live and was broadcast live into the venue, their Embassy Suites in Nashville was mainly produced by Jim Costello. I said, hey, send me a list of songs. Send me a setlist man. Send me some songs. Tell me what you want me to play? Because I didn't want to miss anyone who was there? By the way. I think Andy rock'n'roll. Breakheart is my favorite new artist.

That guy's awesome.

And he boosted me back. He boosted like 18,000 SATs back to me.

Nice. Yeah. Seeing him live was a trip dude. He was rolling floor and

he's got you know, he's got the two feet going he's got the tambourine and the drum and you know, the drumstick on one he's got the kick on the other one. And just doing Chuck Berry riffs at you know 1000 times speed fantastic. I love that guy. But I'm not gonna play his song. There was another song that when I heard it, I'm like, Oh my God. I just this is my new favorite song in the value verse. I want everybody to boost if you're going to boost this show, boost this artists and

baby let your hand down a nother wishes. You pick it up and blow a kiss Sinead given your best and push there ha baby here's a showdown you don't tell her you're coming it's a mental game you're running your ground and mighty high again even look them in the eye you feed in the name if you what's your what's your shine your brightest just tip you can make the rules now whose game you play? What are you making? It's written in a storm. Can you tell them who you are?

I mean the songs just got everything he got saxophone you got to drive a baseline. obvious lack of auto tune, love it. Love this whole whole album of that. I really could. I love that as a great song. Kind of Macy Gray. Little bit of Alicia Keys vibe and their whole thing is good, man. I like it.

Oh, Julie, send me the license. Hey. License

is shooting. Oh, we got a baller or sound like a mini baller sound like a 10,000 baller. Let's see. Nice anonymous podcast guru user 10,000.

Oh, thank you anonymous. Area is beautiful that with a

hand clap V for V. Thank you very much. I went straight to the artist. Love that. That's how you got to do it.

Yeah, I think I think we think podcast follows Oh, I think we'll talk about that next week. Okay. That's another NASA Nathan gathright proposal on the namespace uh, we got it you know what I've been remiss I've got to check out headliners. News two point out chapter tool.

Oh, okay.

So that they added like a mischievous and had she has to look at this that So chapter feature, right yeah it's like really similar to hyper Capture Studio outputs is a JSON and they integrated it into their like their AI things so that gives you it gives you a bunch of like it gives you a bunch of chapters to start with and then you can go back and edit them to be whatever you want. And it's supposed to be collaborative, like hyper capture. So I've been meaning to

beautiful

mark that so though, I just found this feature in fast mail the other day that I didn't know that this news feature

you can snooze a person snooze an email. Oh, and it'll come back. There's a pop back up to the top of the stack or what does it do?

I think yeah, I think so. Yeah,

that's what I want from my AI people that I'm that's what I'm looking for you fix my email. I'll believe in AI.

Did you see a podcast Giroux? Is that pod roll support now?

Yeah, I have an Android version. So I don't think it's it's updated on Android yet. But that's fantastic. Let me see. I don't think that that's

let me see if it's on mine.

Let me say

No, I don't see it here. See? Used but that's the stuff we need. That's what we need. We need that we need a wallet solution. Hello, Oscar marry.

Well, so we talked in our Tata Oscar about that and talk to Mike. Michael from wavelike. I've talked to him about stuff for a while. Westpro we've probably talked for half an hour. Oh, good. And just about, about all the things going on. And you know, oh, Zebedee. Yeah. So that's how you talk to the No, no,

no, tell me. Yeah. I

talked to a lady from Zebedee. And she said that she listens to the show.

Hello. Zebedee lady.

Yeah, I can't remember her first name because it was so loud at that, at that top floor that have the vinyl lounge that I can't miss and her name every time she said it. But I asked her to email me so that would so that I would know who she was. And I haven't gotten an email from her. So

and this is pertaining to can we use Ebody? For wallets? Yes,

they they. She said that they would be glad to offer an lb like service to abs. Ah, so she said Well, yeah, yeah. So she said that there would be dynamite she said that they would be she's like their social media person. Okay. And then she said that she could hook hook us up with the correct people for for figuring all that out. And like, the

main thing is, can they just do it with a fee and not with not with a cost to the app developer and then run it off to the races there? That'd be fantastic.

Yeah, so I want to work all that stuff out with with with their people, but I need somebody I need either her or somebody from Zebedee to call to get in touch with me. So David, David podcast index.org Because I don't remember her name. Okay.

Well, that would be fantastic. And I heard Chris over there Jupiter. On this week in Bitcoin that he moved to the Alby hub, and he seemed quite pleased with it with the transition and everything. But okay, I gotta tell you, I've looked at Alby hub and my eyes glaze over I don't quite I mean, I'm waiting for it just to be simple and simply understandable to me i don't know I'm waiting for it to be available on my start nine to be honest, that's it I'm sure it already works and

Yeah, I've met I've mentioned this before I just want this all I just want some sort of solution because it's it's it's more than mildly frustrating to think that you've solved a problem and then you have to go back and solve it over again. Yes. And and we have bigger fish to fry and yes, we know that we do we we don't need to be reinventing this all over again.

No, no, and we will Oh auth will do for you. Pull. Yes.

And when you do and when you also when, when you go to one of these events like, like the Nashville live event, you realize how powerful this whole thing could be Toya it makes it it makes it even more frustrating. I

know what we're gonna we're gonna get there, God willing, we're gonna get there, and it's gonna be in the cards. But yeah, just take these things take time. It takes time. And someone wrote me today and or sent me a link to see if I can find it's actually worth playing. Something that President Nixon said. About back. Yeah, big throwback. Let me see if I can find it real quick. Oh, here it is. This is 50 years ago.

We all met in the Lincoln sitting room, as I recall. Just the one she came down. Now. That's not the one. This is the one. Here we go. I think this is the one from the 23rd of July. Nope, that's not the one.

It was. It was very specific about. Let me see. I don't know if I can find it.

Let me see. If I'm lucky.

May not be lucky at all, just as someone said on my timeline on. The essence was, of course at the time this was the Watergate scandal and which you know, is now universally recognized that he was railroaded. He was railroaded out of office with this Watergate thing. And yet, here it is, I found it. Thank goodness, the greatest

concentration of power in the United States today is not in the White House. It isn't in the Congress. And it isn't in the Supreme Court. It's in the media. And it's too much.

So I love this because, you know, my answer was well, yeah, but that power just just like everything else is eroding. Slowly, and then it will go very fast all of a sudden, because look at Joe Rogan, you know, supposedly 10 million listeners per show, maybe let's make it five doesn't matter, Tucker Carlson. Now, big numbers. There's lots and lots and lots of people doing podcasts. And that power is eroding. And now you can't you can't be a politician without a

Reminds me of this at least saves the soul. I don't know if this will work or not. Resume this old? Obamacare? No. Does that work? Do you hear that? No,

it's hard to hear. can crank it sounds like it's coming through your laptop into your mic. Actually,

it's actually going through Bluetooth through my phone into the road caster. You got to crank it up.

I know there we have not all countries in this body chair, this particular understanding of the protection of free speech, we recognize that but in 2012 At a time when anyone with a cell phone can spread offensive views around the world with a click of a button. The notion that we can control the flow of information is obsolete. Yeah, it's not

you know, you just reverse that and that's anyone with cell phone the idea that you can control these these these new avenues is well sir and

so there's there's the point. Social media Yes, controllable. Absolutely controllable. Even Mastodon you know, this, like there's so much going on with ads Millions of instances, you know, the bigger the instance the more the more the the sense, the more powerful the censorship is. When someone says, I just don't want that on my server, boom, you're done. Podcasting, not so much. Not so much. By the way, I made a huge pitch for pod paying on no agenda the other day. Yeah, I

That's when

I actually I forgot to credit a whole bunch of people for the work that's done there. So Brian of London started but you know, obviously, I should have mentioned Alex gates and

Moran started it and Alex programmed it. Yeah, exactly. We launched it. Yep.

Shall we? Thanks for the call some people here brother. Yeah, sure.

We've got Who is this open? Blueberry? Our buddies. Todd,

you want me to do? What made you the recent boosts first? Oh, yeah, good. Yeah. That came in during the live show. Salty crayon. 555. Jack Holliday heard it on podcasting. 2.0 He says beautiful going right through to the artist. 10 1000s I said from anonymous podcast guru user 10,000 with 10,000 St. Augustine bariga. 20,000. That guy's amazing. He says perfect start for the weekend weekend boosting up podcasting. 2.0 I met him at the no agenda Amsterdam meetup. He's

Oh, well. Yes. Like it's like a beanpole.

Yeah with a beard and must the whole thing is perfect sleeves. Yeah, as amazing. Lincoln 3333 Wow, that's good stuff. There. Sam Ceci Sethi with 1000 SATs. He says Why should apps give hosts our first party data for free? We will offer creators services to see their metrics we might aggregate listen time or value paid. But why should we give this data for free to host our advertisers? I know for the industry Sam. DS laughs comes in with 1000 SATs glad to be

is their is their sister company. Yes for tipping

2222 from salty crayon row ducks morning board boardroom was trying to listen to phantom power artists are on true fans today and found out it's it's pay to play. Not a donation. I must pay 13,000 SATs to listen to that particular podcast and I see no option to connect it back to the lb hub. The only option is pay $1 per day or $10 a month. Sorry I'll donate to pod verse but I'm not participating in more pay to play what happened. Sad face emoji. I don't this is new to

Now will we get Todd and the girls and boys from blueberry $300 says from the blueberry team

Sakala 20 blades on Ambala.

Yo brothers and sisters over at blueberry Thank you very much big supporters of the index.

Yeah, Julie said maybe Sam's testing something on ultra fast because I didn't see that either. I mean, I was in there over the weekend. I think and Don't

surprises me yeah surprises me.

I don't think he's I don't know that he made it paywall I don't know maybe you can tell us what he did. Franco Celerio or buddy for cast ematic the Italian doctor who's built the podcast apps on the side $100

The All right nice

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nice thank you so much Franco.

Yeah, thank you Franco appreciate that. Thanks, guys. We guess booster grams. Let's see. Get pod home. Oh, that's very very the podcast guru he sent us 15,000 sets all rock Yes, I'm so happy all of you are out there and happy to do my part in this podcasting revolution. Such an amazing time and technology. Good

to have you here brother. It's good to have you native 2.0 Guys 20.

From Steven Ishizu 22,514 sets through fountain he says bro What an absolute location Daxing is this? This is the guy's room that we were using.

He sent us his room number is room number and says yes we're sorry we're sorry we Doc's you but did you get any champagne? Did anyone send champagne to his room?

Stephen is a he's a really great guy. We we hung out with him later after get some

food and get all the groupies right in his room. He's like I can't deal with them right?

Yeah, he's he's a really really nice guy. Amazing. See 1500 SAS from RW Nash through the through foundings a solid show yet again, gents. Thank you. Thank you. And light on the booths today. We've got to get the delimiter 24,000 SATs 24 grand from chemistry blogger

Hello CSB. Now just read it normal because he gets all bent out of shape.

Well, I don't I don't do I don't do the grid gravelly voice I can't do I'm not I haven't earned that yet. So I just I tend to go for the dramatic, dramatic read the must see movie of the summer read. How do you Dave and Adam. I would like to ask the podcasting 2.0 community to send booster grants to the podcast, curry in the keeper. They are in great

Ah thank you. So yes be always promoting other shows. I love that about him.

Personally, we get some monthlies. We get Pedregon calvess $5 Thank you, Pedro. Jad Pharaoh, Chad F $20.22. Thank you, Chet and I didn't promise I did not rub pull you on the cashew men. I will send you your 1500 sat rug pool. Yeah, is the weakest row. That's

very weak.

That's very weak. Okay, Cameron Rose $25. Thank you, Cameron. Appreciate it. He's been doing domain forever. Kevin Bay. He's He's a new automatic payment profile new subscription from base $5 a month. Thank you, brother.

Welcome to the party.

Thank you, Kevin. Appreciate that. As we got Oh, pod page, it was Brendan over there. The pod page. Thank you. $25. Appreciate that new media.

You have to add some stuff. And congratulations to Dave Jackson now working for with Brendan over there at pod page.

He got out.

And I use pod page for Korean zookeeper in fact, and for booster grand ball and I love the service and I'm very excited to see what more will come I mean, he's showing chapters now we show and transcripts, doing all kinds of stuff. It's it's becoming a I mean, I've always liked it. Just because it's like here's the RSS feed boom it shows up. Tina designed carrying the keeper.com and she found it and she's done

seen that on different Yeah, I think that's the thing with the few different platforms now the voice message thing. Yeah, it's kind

of cool because you know, people record a message I can play it in the show. So I'm happy to see Dave there and I look forward to seeing what what what knew what things I had no idea that I know what I'm paying them, which is you know, this real money So I'm glad they're doing well, because that means they can do more and do more was 2.0. Very exciting.

It's kind of a good fit because Dave's a teacher, and that's more like, that feels more like a somebody who would use pod page is probably somebody who would be very, I mean, not, it'd be very receptive to, like learning new things about how to make their podcasts better. Like doing not, yeah, not not just from like, what do I talk about, like

fit. And also, they have a pretty nice mobile view. I can see them adding V for V. Oh, that'd be great. I mean, becoming an

app. What I could see is them adding a thing like Dobby das built for the for bands that

Bitcoin. Yes, yes, exactly.

Where you have a pot where you have a QR code, donate to the Show button.

Yep, yep, yep. Yep. With a forward Yep. Beautiful with a forward that would

be a great service. Yeah.

It's nice. It's a good service. A new

new meet as Martin lindskog. $1. Thank you, Marty Martin, Mark Graham. $1. Thank you, Mark. And that's our group.

Well, we our value for value. We talked about it. So there's the thank you portion. Here's the please support us version. Because you're you're sending it to the show. And Dave and I are happy to conduct the board meetings every single week. Dave doesn't doesn't have on his lunchtime of this should be a day off for me. But I love doing this. I love helping drive and move the community forward. But it's really for the index for podcasts index.org You help keep

episodes, regular Alex was in there. Yeah,

we got we got Alex gualdo. His node seems to be down or disconnected. We got to figure that out. Eric peepee. And he's in there. reflex.io. Of course, that's Spurlock. So you're supporting the everybody. But we also appreciate your pay pals. Go to podcast index.org. You'll see down at the bottom on the homepage, you'll see two red buttons to donate. We should remove the tally coin if we haven't already, because it goes nowhere.

Is a thought so

we removed that. Do we remove it? Let me say yes, that's gone. Yeah. So it's just one one big red donate button.

Steven.

Oh, we have contracts, contracts, contracts. Where does that go?

It goes to Twitter. Okay, here's how this works. Here's how this works. Okay.

Don't let me click on that one. Let

me explain to you how things get onto the website.

That was a pull request, no doubt people create.

When I say people, I mean mostly Steven crater creates it, but some others, they create pull requests, which then show up in my email from GitHub, which I click on the link it takes me to GitHub and I immediately just hit merge I don't even I don't check it

this could have been a porn site for all we know it could have been only fans account and it goes to a page to do community we want to take contracts in a new direction requires us to move on from a value for value services

right even crater all the ways what Yeah,

well maybe we should have that change that might be might be handy. Thanks. But the left hand button takes you to PayPal and you can support us that way. We got hijacked

by I mean it's more of a long way around hijack because you actually submit a pull request it we hijacked ourselves that's what this is

it's a PR hijack is what it is. That's funny. Thank you crater Steven Crowley

edge pieces we replaced tally coin with context when tally coin died and now context is going to

well, what's the next thing we can do that will die? I mean,

Lord have mercy we need we need to stop every time we need to start linking to people because we're the killer.

Yeah, that's like the kiss of death. Who wants a link from us?

Yeah, no, no, no.

All right, brother. So no The regular board meeting time next week, I presume. And with any larger No, with any luck, I won't be talking to you in tears. This week as I, as I work as I work on my, I'm going to try it. I can do this. I can do this. I know I can do this. I know I can do this, this complete merge this this thing, I can do it, I can do it. Tell me I can do it.

You can do it and you just need to make sure you have an exit strategy, which

a rollback or rollback plan. Okay, I need another yet another drive. Okay. I'll wait until I get another drive to do that. Brother. Thank you very much, Dave. Thanks for coming in early. I really appreciate it immense and have yourself a good weekend day to everybody in the boardroom. Thanks for being here, go podcast and we'll see you next podcast.

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