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Episode 181: Bucket of Chicks

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Podcasting 2.0 May 31st 2024 Episode 181: "Bucket of Chicks"

Adam & Dave talk wallets, music, local programming and chicks man!

ShowNotes

We are LIT

Nashville wrap up and tease Ainsley Track

Pocketcasts - heard V4V rumblings - 2 years ago we pitched it to Matt

Local Podcasts Project - Playlist - like OPML subscription lists - need to know if playlists work this way

Sam and Castopod working on Activity streams into ActivityPub YAY!

8 New Findings About The Podcast Audience From Cumulus Media’s 2024 Audioscape | Westwood One

3. The median age of the podcast audience has held at 34 despite massive audience growth

The podcast audience is thirteen years younger than the median age of AM/FM radio listeners and 22 years younger than linear television where audiences have a median age of 56. TV is what’s playing in God’s waiting room.

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This is the "secret" formula:

"That was the thing that Adam and I agreed on. Adam being the user, and I being the developer. Of course it was his trying to be a developer, and me trying to be a user that was the spark that created the boom. We both made it safe for amateurs to do what we do. That's why podcasting, unlike the music industry, never went to war with its users."

Scripting News: Tech is about people

Costello's

Bands and Bitcoin

Bands at Bitcoin '24 Nashville | Geyser

Need a helipad page

Music License

Wallets

Get Alby

LNBits

Business Opportunity

Growth in General

Apollo II update and possible pool

MikeHero DSP | Audiosigma

add keysend implementation for LND backend by bernii · Pull Request #1129 · lnbits/lnbits

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Adam CurryAdam Curry

Casting 2.0 for May 31 2024, episode 181 bucket of kicks. Hello, everybody. We are back in this little once again time for the official board meeting of podcasting. Oh, that's right. Everything going on with podcasting, accept no substitutes. This is where it all happens. What's going on with the namespace podcast? index.org podcasting 2.0 podcast index dot social. We are the only boardroom that plays music and pays the artists. That's right. I'm Adam curry here in

the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama. The man who you always want to join your pool party say hello to my friend on the other end the One NOLAN Ponce's Mr. Game Jones

Dave JonesDave Jones

have been found guilty. Guilty,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

guilty. guilty on all counts. What did you do? What did you do?

Dave JonesDave Jones

guilty of being awesome.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Yes, Dave Jones, you are very guilty of being awesome, my friend. Awesome. And

Dave JonesDave Jones

I'm sitting I didn't tell you before the show started. But I'm sitting next to a bucket of chickens.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

A bucket of chickens. Chickens chickens, like fried chickens or with chickens. Chickens.

Dave JonesDave Jones

This is pre pre fraud. These are chicks. They hatch. Oh, we

Adam CurryAdam Curry

are hatching chicks. Oh, that's so cute. See a little hot heat lamp and everything.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, it's a little like this little heat. What you call it? Sort of like a it's not a lamp though. It's like a It's a heat. It's like a heat pad. But it's elevated on these little legs that you screw up and down to raise and lower the heat towards like, you know to make that a little personal space for the chickens.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

So not only are you awesome, you're also a chick Magnus.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yes, chick. Beside me. I have 11 Chicks right beside me in

Adam CurryAdam Curry

a bucket. Has your dog discovered the chicks yet? That's always fun. We'll see

Dave JonesDave Jones

they're in the they're in the podcast room because it's really the only place in the house that we can kind of lock them up and they it makes sense. So they're they're right beside you can't they're not peeping real loud yet but they make them make it go in in a minute. Okay, but there's there's literally 11 of them down and that's

Adam CurryAdam Curry

so cute. Um, do they know their futures to have their their necks chopped by you?

Dave JonesDave Jones

These are, these are egg.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

choppers. Oh, okay.

Dave JonesDave Jones

We'll keep roosters then

Adam CurryAdam Curry

we'll keep these.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, hey, man. Oh, cute. Oh, man.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

So we didn't have a board meeting last week. I was Jones in a little bit. Although most of my Friday was comprised of travel to nashvegas

Dave JonesDave Jones

on Yeah, missed you, sweetheart.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I missed you too. Darling. What did you do on your day off? sheet rock Sridhar, I got drunk drywall baby. I got my flatbed. Well, so we went to the K love fan awards weekend. K Love is a Christian music's it's a network really stations all across the country. And they do they do this one weekend in Nashville at the was at the the Opryland now the good Gaylord Hotel, which is right next to the Grand Ole Opry and this which is basically a BioDome.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, it's, it's huge so that that hotel is gigantic.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

And but the thing is, is like you never you feel like you leave your room and you walk out and you and they've got palm trees and there's rivers and waterfalls, but it's all inside a BioDome.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, it's like Pauly Shore is in there somewhere these you gotta find

Adam CurryAdam Curry

and Pauly Shore of all the names. Probably

Dave JonesDave Jones

biodome when that is movie but BioDome? I don't think I've seen it. That's where he had a movie called Biona wouldn't surprise or something.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

So there's 1000s of people at this event. And it's all music. I mean, from Friday night, they had a concert in the what is it the Delta ballroom which I think holds two and a half 1000 People with and the sound was amazing. I was very, very surprised by that. And then you have the next day you had like songwriters, roundtable and emerging artists. And then Sunday morning, elevation worship played. And then Sunday

night was the actual awards at the Grand Ole Opry. And, man, I gotta tell you, so first of all, you walk around Nashville, and everyone's a musician. Everybody's gonna be I mean, literally, we were in a restaurant. And I said, Look at this guy who's serving us. I'm gonna say bass player, and I nailed it. Did you?

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, this was I forget who I forgot who it was. Some musician used to say I think Maybe Randy Travis, or somebody said that like you're the average janitor. Like don't get too much of a big hit because the average janitor in Nashville is a better guitar player than you are.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And all these guys, of course, you know, because you really can't make much money with music anymore. Everyone has to tour consistently, are constantly and if they don't tour they're working for Dave Ramsey. I mean, it's like

Dave JonesDave Jones

Does he have a stranglehold on Nashville for some reason

Adam CurryAdam Curry

does I mean he has a lot of people working for him. This operation is a huge operation.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Does he live in Nashville?

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I think so. Yeah. Thank you.

Dave JonesDave Jones

What's the place? What's the big suburb outside of Nashville? All the rich people lives at Brentwood. There's

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Well, there's helped me out boardroom there's as very face on the tip of my tongue. Now Sir Patrick Koba lives there. A Frank Franklin Frank okay. Yeah, that's Franklin. And there's another one Murfreesboro, of course, is another one. But Franklin is, is where a lot of where the where the, where the touring musicians live, like the Mercy me guys. They all live in Franklin. Anyway. And so what you notice when when they're all on stage play, and there's there's some

real superstar talent there from the Christian music world. Which is not like hymns and gospel. But it's been you got Crowder, Matthew West, I mean, these are like rock and roll songs,

Dave JonesDave Jones

that I'll just in general say that the quality of Christian music now is so much better than it used to be, like 20 years ago, and it's not even it's not even in the same ballpark.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

It's almost crossing over with country. So yeah, totally. And but what you notice pretty quick, as everybody is writing and playing together all the songs like well, Ethan wrote that song and that's all I played with him on this and say it's kind of a small group. And, you know, that's because it's really it's also the natural vibe is which I would say is the harder is kind of like LA was in the in the 80s and 90s, where everyone's just there, everyone's playing that

everyone's writing together. So it's an exciting environment and no one's making money on their music. We know the problem yet, which and you know, is a lot of grousing. These artists like you know, big tour, so they're touring and that keeps everything alive for them. I say this all in lead up. Because today on this very boardroom, we will be offering the planetary world global premiere, a breaking, breaking breaking of the new Ainsley Costello track, which is a people pleaser. We'll

be playing it later on the show. And the reason why I'm setting this up this way is because she has, I think three top Nashville Songwriters who collaborated on this record with her and Abington and the Costello's put a lot of time into convincing them that value for value is the way so that you know, they got

their wallets and everything all set up. And so when we play the track, it would be great if everybody could be using curio cast or fountain pod verse podcast guru with the stuff that understands the live and lit, streaming sites and boost doesn't matter how much you boost, but let's just give them as many boosts as we can. I want them to have a good experience if you know what I'm saying. Where's the feed? Where's the

Dave JonesDave Jones

fee? Or it is I found it index. Okay, people pleaser here it is. I was just wanting to look at the feed and see who see who's in it for a split. You know,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

the splits may be on the back end on wave Lake, I

Dave JonesDave Jones

think. Okay, yeah, it's only going to wave like okay, but at least I hope so at

Adam CurryAdam Curry

least I hope so.

Dave JonesDave Jones

There's one Okay, so there's one, I'm just looking at the value tag. And here there's one split. And it says in the name of the split value recipient name people pleaser via wave lake. And then there's an address because of that. Okay, so Well,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

we are splitting it out back there, I believe. I believe it's Christian harger And Nathan, dos. Okay. Hey, Pfeiffer. Yeah. So five versus wavelength. I'm out, bro. All right, man. If you want to help the value for value, have that attitude. That's really good. That's the right attitude. That's really helpful. That's really, really helpful. That's really going to move the needle for everybody.

Dave JonesDave Jones

So make artists want to really jump in. They want to hop in

Adam CurryAdam Curry

and then really get on the D MU train. That's right. That's right, please. But it was it was very exciting because there was a lot of people there who were very interested in what we're doing. And

Dave JonesDave Jones

did they know about it or do you have to evangelize? No,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I had to preach. I had to evangelize Of course. Okay. Now, this kind of leads up to another thing because I did have a nice conversation with With, with Jim and Julie this week, and you know, they kind of flew an upside down flag at me. Field to mind the pine tree flag, they flew the US flag upside down. They weren't distress, oh, flag binary flag.

So we had a really great chat. First of all there is, of course, they are angels, parents, but they're, you know, they're still trying to figure out navigating their way through this value verse and trying to onboard people and start a business, which is what we really need, you know, we have to create a form of an industry here with the with value for

value music. And of course, I'm only coming from the kind of radio guy background where what is important to me is that we can play songs and podcasts and that we have the splits go through remote items, value, time split, etc. And so they had a couple of things we need to talk about briefly. Music license, actually, that's getting pretty close. And I feel comfortable that we're coming up with a remote item license that

will work for music being played in podcasts. That's already been implemented in in a in a form with RSS, blue, I believe, and with true fans, and I think we need to get that license, the actual license itself on to some place that is where licenses belong. I'm not sure what

Dave JonesDave Jones

we have. The phase seven is, is closing tomorrow. So that's good timing. I can do that as soon as it's ready. Okay, good.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

They're, obviously they're in for the long haul. Because things don't you know, just all of a sudden happen the minute we're all excited, and we'll talk about that, because things have been happening that are exciting, but takes years. But the main thing that they were concerned about is wallets. And I think we need to discuss. Yes, I agree. Yeah. Because it looks like get Alby is out of the custodial wallet business.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Can you explain? Please explain if what's going on with that, because I don't understand. Okay, so I thought that there was a I thought they were still an onboarding path through the 2.0 apps, and is that now gone to that's going away?

Adam CurryAdam Curry

That that is going away, that's my understanding. And, but maybe even more importantly, is there's also really no path for someone to easily set up a wallet if you're a podcaster, or a musician. And so, what the Costello said is like, but you know, we're only really able to onboard people into fountain. And fountain, although it's great, you know, to onboard your your feed, regardless of what your enclosure is. That, you know, it's it's not it's confusing.

You want to make things relatively easy. And so they've really been struggling on it. Because of the the the boardroom was saying, if you can have, you can still send people invite the getting out of the business. That's my understanding they're getting out of the business. And they will still work with your own node, if you want to can, you know, use wass nostre wallet connected, but it's all stuff that's way too complicated. For

an onboarding. Now, there's, there's two sides to this. So let's start first, with the easy side, which is the app side. There are many options now to onboard people into wallets in your app. And the the one that is the most obvious to me is the

breeze SDK. And by the way, I warned everybody this was going to happen, we all got really complacent and like, Oh, I'll be working and then all sudden, whether lb doesn't work, or it's just it's a centralized thing, you know, it's like, and this is why lightning service providers have come into existence, which

is what breezes business model has always been. I think voltage is also trying to set this up. Because the whole point of a lightning service provider and I've been reading through the breeze SDK docs, is you really don't need to do much you know, you don't have to think about as a as a developer you don't have to think about liquidity or channels all that just kind of magically appears for a fee obviously. But it really and I'm seeing testimonials of people saying hey on boarded 100,000

customers through this with just a couple lines of code. So that sounds optimistic to me, but I think we need to have our both our well definitely our apps need to look at, at other onboarding opportunities. Because I think it's, if it's not already shut down, it's going to shut Alby is not going to be a solution for us. And so I had some back back channel

conversations, which I don't like. But in this case, the thing was good, because, you know, so we didn't have like a whole, a whole back and forth thread on the social.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Sometimes that's just faster, and it is,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

it is faster in that in that way. And it's, I think, you can't even get a new wallet through pod bursts. You know, if you just if you just jump on, just start using it. So if developers, the app developers are interested in being continuing value for value, some work will be required.

Dave JonesDave Jones

I mean, so what's the I mean? I feel a need to help developers with this. Well, me too, you know, I mean, but I don't, but I don't know what path to take is the issue. I mean, that there's,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

well, here's one thing we can do. Regardless of how you set stuff up, it seems like the one problem is always liquidity. So the index can help with that, you know, if you need liquidity and whatever your setup is, but I feel like the Munis SDK is is a couple of them now that they are the solution, because all you have to do is just integrate the Yes, I mean, I'm, hello, this is me, Adam, the developer, all you got to do is just put the SDK in there, and it works. But I think that

is truly the way forward. So you don't have to worry about it as a developer. Now, on the other side, on the on the podcast, hosting side, there's other this this is more of a path, because I think the breeze SDK, I don't think that's intended for a hosting company. I mean, it's something you jam into your apps, right?

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, so you're gonna have, so you've got to see you need a you need a wallet on both sides. You need a podcaster wallet. And you need a listener wallet. Yep. That's that's the issue. Is that the listener wallet? Is the going to be the the one that that gets the most direct hit from this? Yes. Off the bat. Yes. Right. Because they're just not going to be one available to pick up. Unless, you know, because because the wallet needs to be on the listener side. So it's on the on

the podcaster. side, the wallet is a much easier thing to to handle. Because all you just need a wallet that can handle key send, and you're done. On the podcaster side, excuse me on the listener side. It's harder because the wallet needs to integrate with the podcast app. Yeah. Because because the podcast app needs to be guide it needs to be triggering events within the wallet. Yes. So that is a difficult, that's a more

difficult problem to solve. And that's why Alby was was good, because there was a because I had an API and all in all that. I mean, like, I guess, I guess the ideal solution would be that there that there's an Alby compatible API? Yes. Basically a clone of the out of the Alby API,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

and this is exactly why we had our own pay running. We had Elon pay ramius. And then we shut it down. And then here we go. Well, well, no, I

Dave JonesDave Jones

mean, Tim, shut it down. Yeah,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

so okay. Yes, Tim, shut it down. Correct.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah. So the the, if if there's an ABI API clone that somebody can layer in front of Elon bits or something like that.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

So this as I went searching for solutions, and this may be where some developers can help. I found that a key send implementation for Alan bits, was actually created two years ago, now and has been reviewed as recently as a couple of weeks ago. But it needs I think, two official

reviewers, I've actually put the link into the shownotes. It needs to know I don't know how GitHub works, but it needs some reviewers or maybe we need to fork this because here's what I'm thinking Dave, I'm thinking I'm fine setting up a node for this and providing these wallets. I mean, at this point, I don't care I just want it to work. You know, and LM bits is actually a very, very beautiful system. Because you get a lot of you know, it has a lot of just as The wallet itself, there's a

lot of things you can do. But it will also pretty much work the same way that Alby will work.

Dave JonesDave Jones

This is a strange situation. I mean, just just just kind of stepping back and looking at this for a minute, is sort of an odd situation, because you have, at the same time that you have lightning being implemented on more and

more platforms. I mean, Coinbase is putting in lightning Pay Pal is putting in lightning stripe is putting in the Bitcoin pet like, there's, you're getting, there's been a lot of adoption that is happening very quickly, in response to the increase in regulatory regulatory, clarity, and ETF acceptance from the SEC and these kinds of things. So payment platforms are becoming and exchange platforms are becoming more comfortable with

Bitcoin and lightning. And then you have the players that provide lightning wallets are just pulling back, like like Albie, who's the faint like Phoenix wallet. They're just they're pulling back. And in maybe it's because they don't feel like they have the chops to comply with the new regulatory clarity? Well,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

as I as I read the legislation that passed the House, of course, the last to pass the Senate and get the sign off from the President. It really says like, oh, you can do all this, you know, if your pass through, you know, custodial, if it's the, you know, obviously noncustodial wallets, all of that is going to be okay. They really want to stimulate the development of this in the United States. It seems like

it's all very good. But remember, I'll be as German, the other the other guys are French. And so I think that's where there's some, some fear, and I understand that it's, and I'm not mad about it, I'm mad that we have solutions. There's another thing that's in play here is this noster mania. Everybody is doing in Austin, Austin, Austin, Austin, Austin, Austin Nostra, and they're just like, I don't care about Q send you

Dave JonesDave Jones

building a social, you're wasting your time building a social network that nobody wants. Nobody wants that. Just stop, stop, stop building. The nostre social network is silly. Nobody wants it. It's everybody has plenty of social network already in there live. Everybody who's on nostres. Also on Twitter, what do you need two things. It's just, nobody wants this crap. Just stop it. Because it's eating up. Everybody's developer cycles. And they're just spending all of this time

on this complete waste. Like, it's starting to get really irritating, because there's real problems like this one that needs to be solved. Like, there's real, like lightning implementation, dead ends, there are dead ends all over lightning. And everybody is all the all the developers, these developers that are that are focused on noster. They're good developers, these are good programmers, they can be solving real problems. Instead of wasting their time with this

junk, that it's just silliness. It's complete silliness. And it's again, another example of the the the Bitcoin ecosystem, tending to just like, they get going super fast, and then they just drop off a cliff. But they've completely miss all of the signs in it and just drive completely off a cliff. Like, we know one of the reasons I was saying that earlier about there's all these these platforms are putting in support for Bitcoin and lightning. Is that now is it is easier now to

onboard people than it's ever been? Yeah. If they had a wallet, yeah. That's and lightning wallets are like, super simple. It is, should not this should not be, if we had if there was enough people working on this, gosh, this would be solved so fast.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

So that's where I'm thinking we might have to solve it. I mean, I mean, I know I'm feeling that way too. I mean, let's just let's fork LM bits and fix it and make it work.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Well see, you know, here's, here's what I would love. And I'm just going to say, and this is a little bit of dreaming, but I am but I want to say it out loud too, though, because it may not be totally out of the question. When, I mean, ideally to me, somebody, there would be a bigger player that can handle this sort of thing like strike. Forget it on the strike,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

they are doing that. Okay? I'm just gonna say strikes not going to do it. I'm gonna tell you right now, how many we've pitched a lot of people in the past three and a half, four years. Some work, some don't. Jack Mahler's is not good. He has, he's now selling Bitcoin and eath and Mineiro. And he's going to go public, he's going to be the next coin base, he's, he's doing a reverse Coinbase Coinbase is finally delivering with lightning, he's gone from lightning is going to become a

coin base. That's the it's so obvious to me. And by the way, he comes from the Fiat world. He's a nice guy, nice kid. But his parents are Fiat. They're the Chicago commodities gang. It's all fine. But I'm not putting any, any any trust in that. guy, he's not going to do

Dave JonesDave Jones

it makes you think that the so I was having this thought this morning, actually, as, as Bitcoin develops into, into just sort of a standard piece of collateral, or a commodity, you know, standard commodity standard assets and or collateral with it just it just becomes a theme. And it's that's

what's happening right now. We've, it's sort of our Bitcoin has outgrown the sort of people that shepherded it initially, it is, it has outgrown that, it kind of no longer needs, the, what you might call the maxis, or that that community, it's, it's now it's just a bigger, it's just a bigger thing. And because of that, they those, those people don't know what to do. I mean, they're there, there's no real reason for them to be out there pumping Bitcoin all the time. And they've,

they've, they're doing silly stuff on the side. And, you know, I think because, but at this at that, at this point, though, that these, these things like we, I feel like we could do something without having to bother with a bunch of, you know, Ellen URL mafia throwing shade and this kind of thing. Like, I feel like we could, I felt like we could do a thing, because I feel like this is just sort of this, this ecosystem has grown up now.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

And it's a business thing, Dave, I'm happy to do it, man. I mean, first of all, we've got almost to Bitcoin on our own node. So we can provide liquidity we have a lot of income, we get this as a mature node, or node has grown up. It's a mature node, we can put whatever we want. On top of it, we have great support from from voltage. You know, there's, there's, there's many ways we can tackle this. But there's,

again, there's really two ways to two things. And now, there's also a little bit of that, well, you know, Fountain has VC money, it doesn't take VC money takes elbow grease to do this. For the apps, there's some very clear, very well tested solutions. And, and the green light slash breeze SDK is an obvious solution. And you can implement it and and you don't have to think about it

wallets are spun up on the fly when your customers need them. I mean, it will it comes down to, are the apps interested in continuing with value for value? Or do they just want to hand it all over to one or two players? That's what it comes down to. On the on the podcaster side, that's something I feel you and I probably should be doing. Because it's it's, I mean, it's just there. I mean, even

Dave JonesDave Jones

if wait on the podcast or side or the listener side, podcaster side, because the listener side is where the real problem is.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

It's both sides. The only onboarding path for podcasters is fountain

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, but see, you can have you could, like the, here's the disconnect the podcaster side.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

This is exactly the problem that the Costello's are struggling with because because they're trying to onboard musicians, by the way the people haven't figured out or the horrible, horrible, horrible, evil people that wave Lake, they figured it out. They're a host In company with wallets, right, that's what the hosting company is. That's what I said to and some of the back channels like, Hey, if you have a problem onboarding artists because you have to send them to fountain to

get a wallet, and that's complicated. It's your business. You should be providing that.

Dave JonesDave Jones

What the issue is, like, okay, so you got fountain, and you've got wave Lake. You got you got two places you can onboard a podcaster.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Yes. Well, before music for music.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Well, yeah, okay for music. Well, no, I even those wavelike also, does. They do podcast hosting podcast hosting? Yes. I

Adam CurryAdam Curry

didn't know that.

Dave JonesDave Jones

I mean, but but even in that you could go and but there's lots of things. I mean, you could you could set up, you can set up, you know, you set up your own. Now I know it's not easy. I know. It's not easy to set up your own node or whatever. But, like, the podcaster side, it that's what that looks like. There are solutions. They may suck, but they are there are solutions, like setting up your own node. The listener side with the with the losing of Alby is just a

complete dead end. Yeah, that's, that's what I'm saying is like, is the listener side is where the supply is, like the supply of funds. I'm with you. I'm with you. And that is a that is a complete wasteland at this point. So if you like the, the solution hat really has to start with with listener wallets, before podcast or wallets? I mean, because you can have tons of podcast or wallets. But if nobody can pay you, then it was what good is it? If there's no if there's no listeners with

podcast? Well, here's what

Adam CurryAdam Curry

music Mama says in the boardroom. I've spoken to lb it's a general fear of the regulator's not worth the risk long term for them, they will stay in the game they are not going away, they just will be going to a node in the phone approach that you must set up a 100,000 sat channel to start them it's just not going to happen. That's not going to happen that people won't do it it's 50 bucks and people aren't going to say oh here's 50 bucks I'm now a podcaster I'm now musician right

Dave JonesDave Jones

and and I'll just be honest with you, Adam I mean it if you're talking about handling you know funds and all this kind of stuff to this degree then I don't see where you're going to have to have intermediaries right then I don't see what the difference is why you even use Bitcoin mining fee

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Good point. Good point.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Because if we're gonna have to set up something where there's wallets and we're moving funds and all this kind of stuff around I mean, what what's the point I'm with you just set up you know just you know, do escrowed you know escrowed Fiat wallets and just be a money mover and that's the problem with with the lightning ecosystem right now is they they're out there all they're over there doing Tarot. And in in the in noster. And in the the promise, the original promise of

lightning is just dead is totally dead. And it's like, I don't know what to do about it. Well, I'm not trying to be Debbie Downer.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I'm just no no, no, I'm with you. And we that well. The

Dave JonesDave Jones

like, well, let's

Adam CurryAdam Curry

let's separate out the issues for a second. First of all, because music mom was looking for music, mamas camp. So on the onboarding side for podcasters slash music. That type of solution needs to come from the hosting companies. And we can certainly help bootstrap it by providing liquidity to people because we have enough so we can help bootstrap it but ultimately, it's it's going to be specific lightning service

providers that are going to have to be in that game. For channel opens and closes and all that stuff.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Like, okay, let's, if you go back to the beginning, and you look at why we did this to begin with, it was for two reasons. Because the progress programmable money allows you to send people small, micro small amounts of money A without the exhort without the crazy fees. So there was a it was a fee, saying, but the bigger issue was a deep platforming so that you have a direct relationship from the listener to the podcaster

with zero intermediaries. Yeah. And like, so if if I'm going to if I if I'm hosting a show on if I'm hosting a podcast, and all my advertisers bail out on me, because I took a position against a war or something that was not that was not kosher, then. And I lost all my money, then I would still have this other income stream. There was not sort of blockable Yeah, well,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

she got platform from PayPal or from PayPal. Yeah.

Dave JonesDave Jones

So I mean, that was that was the point. If we have to start putting up intermediaries all over the place, then.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Right, but but a lightning service provider is not really an intermediary, because it's not a custodial thing. It's it's that self custody. It the lightning service provider just provides the piping. So it's no different than having a node voltage, unless you want to call that an intermediary.

Dave JonesDave Jones

So, I mean, yeah, see what you mean. That

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I mean, that's exactly what Brees does. You don't even have to open a channel, you just need to get your first payment. Then you get your first payment, they open a channel plus 50,000 sets of whatever that first payment was. And the channels grow and shrink as necessary. But it does require some some development work.

Dave JonesDave Jones

It does. No does. It's gonna hit there too. Okay. requires work. And the Yeah, I mean, Rando 64 636. Is Brown of London says overhype. seems promising I mean, yeah, Brown of London's building stuff. Yeah, that may be waiting Europe. Yeah, he's building a replacement to Alby?

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Is he doing a drop in replacement with with the API? I

Dave JonesDave Jones

don't know how to talk to him about it. I don't think he is. But he may be able to. Yeah,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

but we just I mean, again, we just need more solutions. We need more solutions. Then, and this nostril wallet Connect. I've looked at it over and over and over again. I can't see making it work. And then there's people saying, well, why don't we just switch to ln URL? Well, we looked at that. We'd looked at that early on. That's just not going to fly?

Dave JonesDave Jones

Well, I don't see. You know, the we've talked about the problems with that in the past with the slowness and the difficulty on the edge node on the edge application. But I mean, regardless of that, I still don't see how that helps. Because you're you're Elon URL. I mean, you had the wallet on both. Yeah.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

So the reason why it's so called helps, because that's what everybody's doing. All the development is moving towards ln URL and nostril wallet connect, and everyone's supporting it with you know, they're supporting themselves into a hole of doom. You

Dave JonesDave Jones

know, there again, I get that all that stuff works fine for the podcaster wallet. The listener wallet. Yeah, none of that helps.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Yeah, but there's a solution. There's a solution right there today it does keys and then it can work you can implement it. I don't believe there's any costs except for breeze takes, you know, a piece for the setup.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Let's have a look at it had to get back in there and look and look at the you know, it's it. It is a gut punch when you think some of these things are solved problems, and then they come back. And you're like, Well, I guess it wasn't a solved problem. Well, no,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

but I also think it's, it's our people really in it. You know, our, I mean, I use podcast guru and I still have an lb Wallet. So that works great. Sometimes I switch the pod verse, sometimes they use a fountain. But if people aren't in it, then they won't support it. And then you know, then it's all gonna go to a couple of players. Right, which is fine. I know what I'll be promoting. Because I believe in it. I believe in it, Dave.

Dave JonesDave Jones

I believe on

Adam CurryAdam Curry

that. On that note. On an up note, the band's in Bitcoin 24 Nashville is it will be held around the same time as the Bitcoin Conference. It'll be Let me see. Oh, it'd be at the they have a Embassy Suites who have generously donated space and service staff to phantom power media. And they're going to be hosting just a ton of bands. And they're going to set all of the all of the bands up with with wallet somehow. They may be fountain wallets, but the most of them up with something

somehow. And it's going to, they're going to do just these live shows. And I'm pretty sure they're set to go with a live stream, which will switch the value blocks as they go. What I would like to appeal to Eric P P. I don't know if he can do it. But I'd like to appeal to Eric peopIe. If there could be a heli pad version. This is what I'd be looking at how LeapPad version that can display everything that it does now because I love how

love how it looks, how it you know, how it comes through. With a live stream, so just a page you can send people to and there it is, you know, so there'll be a split to this one node. And this one page just displays all the booster grams that come in with the live because there'll be video, live audio and or video, so that people can be sent to a page to be a part of the bans and Bitcoin by remote, so obviously, in all the apps for sure, because it'll be a feed so it's in all the apps.

But then there's one page, you know, like the guys are always doing like these crazy pages that the blueberry did for 12 rods, you know, a page we can see stuff happening, I don't care if it's who does it, but someone needs to do that. Yeah, and then that'll be the same page they'll display in the venue on screens. So people can get a real experience of the round robin of it'll say use these apps to participate to boost etc that needs to be created.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Can I add that I would like to add something to this for and this is this is the Costello's they're putting this on okay let me add something to that part. Part of the part of this event needs to be a explanation of the problem that we just talked about are sort of an appeal an appeal I'm sorry an appeal to Bitcoin developers who see the vision for for music and

by virtue of that podcast as well. So an appeal and appeal through this event that this is only things like that event are only possible and only work and are only successful when there are listener side wallet solutions. Yes. And because of

that we there needs to be more people jumping in that game. I mean, that's because I feel like because what will happen the reason is good to have an appeal at a place in an event like that is because if there are no listener side wallets, there's no there's no event right there's no event is won't

doesn't work. There's just simply no event right? Because there's nobody to pay you so like that's here's here's what I'm leaning on though like where my mind is keeps shifting is that there has to be we have to get some success Let me see how I want to explain this. Um, I'm perfectly happy to build something but we can't build everything.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Yes we can. DAVE

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yes, we can. But we can't you know, we can't build everything. And the the ideal thing that would happen here is that Bitcoin some bitcoin. Competent developers get peeled away from noster the naast the master senselessness, yes, and begin to provide to build an actual solution that people really care about. That can actually solve a problem. Right? So I mean, like this is this is probably the fountain fountain also benefits from there being an an ecosystem of lightning,

infrastructure podcasting infrastructure outside of it. Of course, if if fountain becomes the only place this stuff is happening, fountain will be less successful. That's not going to help them either. So everybody fountain wave like everybody did, like the and I use them as examples of, of sort of, not silos. That's not what I mean, but like sort of islands that are that have built something that can be self contained, if necessary. That does, while that does work. It's not beneficial.

It doesn't it is not a healthy ecosystem for them to exist that way. They also benefit when there's a healthy ecosystem of lightning payments going back and forth through the podcasting through open podcasting. And so this is a this is a thing that we all need to happen.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

And I would I would point to on one hand, for podcasters, I would point to wave lake as a successful formula. They take 10%. Yeah, no one seems to be complaining. Now, it's simple. I got it, I got my hosting, we got everything all in one go.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Because as we said before, your alternative is Spotify, where you get 0%. Right? So if you're a pod, if you're a musician, and you get 90%, that's 90% More than you had before.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Exactly. And you bet you're right. Everybody, we need much more, much more going on. And it has it just has to be simple. It has to be simple to onboard people. Because we're a long way away from people setting up nodes and liquidity. There's just no way. There's no way.

Dave JonesDave Jones

If you're an if you're a podcaster. And you see that you are a music or a musician. And you see that, that you can have some success within within this within that the podcasting world as let's say, as a musician, like Ainslie, it's not too big of a lift to set up, you know, to set up a node. It's not the end of the world. Yes, it's a little difficult, but it's not the end of the world. But if you're a bit if you're a listener in the app,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

it's world ending. Yes, that's obviously yes. You're just even even going somewhere else to get a wallet and connect. It is a big lift. Yes, like, what am I doing now?

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, exactly. Because you're having to, like, on the podcaster side, you just set up a node, open a channel, you're good to go. On the on the listener side? What do you you got to KYC? yourself, you got to do all this stuff. I mean, it is it's just, I'm not going to keep beating this horse. But the listener side is where all the problems are. And, and I will, I'm glad we discussed this, I will start looking in in brainstorming this for a potential solution. We'll we'll

talk about it. And but you know, I do want, I don't think we can, I don't think it's realistic for us to have to build for us to be able to build and maintain everything we do. Other because the other problem here, here's the other issue. When we build it, it tends to dissuade other people from from building things. Good point. You know, I mean, like, it's almost detrimental to the ecosystem when we build it. So yeah, I don't want that to happen, either.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

No, no, I'm with you. I'm with you on that. Well, I, again, I'm just I've looked at the docs over and over again, of the breeze SDK, it seems like a very elegant solution. But it's not a drop in replacement. I don't think it's it's a huge lift. But there's work is required. But you know, it's something that is self self custody of your of your user. You know, they they own it, you don't have any responsibility over it. And you don't have to worry much about it not working.

I mean, they've been in business for a long time. Yeah. And there's others who are either doing this or we'll be doing this because it's the business model for lightning is the lightning service provider. It just is the business model.

Dave JonesDave Jones

I mean, it is, well, Nathan asked is the breeze SDK? Is that mobile? Only?

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I believe so. I believe so. I think it is, is it? I think so. But block block has a has their own version. There's lots of versions out there, of this idea of the lightning service provider idea. And it has been my understanding that that's what voltage was going to be doing as well, I don't think there's far along and they were going to be doing it more for, you know, with air flow product or whatever. So you

can just get get inbound liquidity on demand. But you know, but what is, and again, that's not, that's probably not going to work for the for the listener side, but I'm with you on that there's a huge opportunity for the listener side, make it easy for apps to integrate, or at least, you know, make something available. And the apps will put it in if if they're interested in being part of the ecosystem.

Dave JonesDave Jones

The other problem with us doing it is I don't, I don't like I don't like the way it looks.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I mean, I'm with you, because it

Dave JonesDave Jones

makes it look like it's like all of this is just us. And I don't know, I just liked the separation of, of seeing that other people are doing stuff and making making money off these things. And it's not. Yeah, it's not us, you know? Yeah. Well, but again, I don't want to make money off of this, because it's not. I mean, if we have to, if we have to, we have to, but I don't, I don't want to do it. The way that makes me think

Adam CurryAdam Curry

you're so right, because the whole reason we kept LM pay going because the index paid for it was Yeah, to make sure that, that we bootstrapped it and then everyone just went Oh, great. And then no one built anything.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yes. As the summer says, it's it's it's way he says his wave Leakey for Pei Pei to offer wallets and the index and namespace Yeah, I

Adam CurryAdam Curry

agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree.

Dave JonesDave Jones

But, but we could we could build something as a reference, I guess, and then say, okay, we're not somebody here. Somebody else, please run this, I guess. And I don't know.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

How to think about it. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you. Should we play a song now just to get our heads clear,

Dave JonesDave Jones

though? Yes. Is the world premiere this is it's not

Adam CurryAdam Curry

just world premiere. It's planetary premiere, my friend, galactic galactic galactic premiere, but I really want everyone to get ready. I really would appreciate it. If you boosted this song. No matter what the amount is, we just want as many boosts as possible I'm actually going to close the channel so doesn't interrupt the track. So we can show these musicians who are making nothing on Spotify. That value for value has a place in their life

Dave JonesDave Jones

that I set that up right. Oh, you nailed it. Okay. So

Adam CurryAdam Curry

here it is a people pleaser Ainsley Costello, this is the planetary premiere everybody

Unknown

was watching.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

You can break through it no more mistakes

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going down. Back Relax

Adam CurryAdam Curry

yo, nice that's what we call an ending All right, thank you all very very much.

Dave JonesDave Jones

I guess people were pleased and yeah, it was done. Yes. People were pleased.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

And everybody boosted. I even boosted. Everybody boosted. Everybody boosted. Good job, everybody. Thank you. Thank you. That's Ainslie with the Nashville collaborators. Let's make them happy. If you're listening to this as the podcast, you can always stop, go back and boost again. It all works. It's magic that way. It's magic.

Dave JonesDave Jones

The track I like it. No, I

Adam CurryAdam Curry

was great track. I'd it's it's Poppy, man.

Dave JonesDave Jones

It's good to hear a new Ainsley track.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Yes, it is indeed. Been well. My left ear kind of blew out on

Dave JonesDave Jones

Oh, crap. Yeah. It blew Well, is it smoking? No.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

So like, it happens to you when you get to my age. Dave, you'll know what I'm talking about.

Dave JonesDave Jones

You get the high pitch squeal.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Thank God no, no, thank God. Although at night when I'm in bed, I do hear just like General was that from? No, it's age.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Old man old dude. Yeah, just

Adam CurryAdam Curry

an old by the way, the bands and Bitcoin. They also have I put it in the show notes. They have a geyser fund fundraiser. I also boosted that before because they obviously it cost money. So they're looking for help on setting up that event. So that's all in the band.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Lighting. Yeah, yeah,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I did it. I actually use breeze. It worked beautifully. So we had a big win today or this week with the Pocket Casts.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, so that said they're gonna support transcript and pod roll.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Well, as I was listening to the pod news, weekly review, I actually heard the young woman what's her name? Because we pitched this to them two years ago. We pitched the match two years ago. And she referred to that as Oh, we knew about this two years ago, because I remember you and I did a zoom with Matt. And then we met Matt from automatic. They own their own pocket cast. And we pitched it. And I think I followed up with Matt. And then we got another talk to the

project leads. And they've started to implement their small team, but they started to implement but as I heard her speaking, I heard her slip in V for V. Oh, well, she said V for v. So they didn't hear

Dave JonesDave Jones

that I missed

Adam CurryAdam Curry

the Hey, I heard it. I heard it. But this is this is uh, this is great. This is a great game changer for podcasting to have a an app of that size to validate that it's a real thing. It lives in all boats. Very, very happy. Very happy with that.

Dave JonesDave Jones

agreed and like they they are ones that could you know, the thing I want most from Pocket Casts specifically, is cross app comments over activity pub. Yes. I think they are positioned better than anybody else to make that happen. Yes. Because Because automatic

Adam CurryAdam Curry

bots. Yeah, they're all in on activity pub, right

Dave JonesDave Jones

activity pub. Yeah, they bought that WordPress activity pub plugins, and they can integrate it directly. So I mean, they I think they have definitely the resources to go in and put activity pub into into a yes app like Pocket Casts.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

And on that note, true fan Sam and, and Benjamin caster, PA, they're working on integrating their activity streams through activity pub, which is great.

Dave JonesDave Jones

You know, a clip. So a clever podcast app,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

only the clever ones now.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Could could simply follow podcasts on the bridge. And inhale and just always be up to date. That's right. You also like you could have a podcast app that that built activity pub into its core. And then they follow it when you follow

podcasts. It's using the the index to do search. And then instead of instead of using the API to pull more data, it could subscribe to the podcast feed obviously like normal, but then look for updates through activity pub, wait for the push is basically that you would have want you would have a simple back end a little $5 a month back end. That just does nothing at all it was you just have no no it's not even sniffing they know they there's not even any sniffing it. It just open it

opens up a shared inbox. It has a shared inbox URL through activity pub. And then it follows into treats each each of its users as an actor. Do you hear that chicken? Yeah, actually,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I just did my headphone offices and on my end what I have no fear your checks baby's Dave's chicks.

Dave JonesDave Jones

These chickens are going nuts. I sent you a picture of them in the bucket. The so you would have you would have each each listener would be an actor. On your activity pub back end, in as when somebody follows a podcast it follows the bridge for that podcast. And then it just waits to be notified when there's a new episode. By the way, just push it all the way through.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Your chicks are cute. What's the bowl with the Roxanne? What's that all about?

Dave JonesDave Jones

Well, since they're there, they're so tiny that if they drown they've they'll drown in the bowl. Yeah. Rocks. And so they came to the bottom.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Have you already found one dead?

Dave JonesDave Jones

No, no. No dead ones. Yeah.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

What's What's the vacuum hose there? What's the?

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, that's one of the legs that the heaters like threaded rods with the low heat past. Oh, cool. Yeah. cubes. They're all up under that heat thing right now. I can't see any of them. They're just Yeah. Do

Adam CurryAdam Curry

you mind? post this in the in the board meeting in the boardroom? Oh, no, go ahead. Yeah, that's cool. I want people to be able to see this.

Dave JonesDave Jones

But you could you could do that you could build your app with with an activity pub core. And then not have to really do any feed polling at all. Period. None. And then you're already set up with for cross out comments.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I love it. By love it only clever, clever, clever. Clever. Has. I have a have a namespace question that makes sure because if it doesn't do it, we need to figure out how to do it. And so I've been working on this on this product on this project to return local radio to Well, so what radio? This all kind of comes from a couple of things. One is the the cumulus media 2024 audio scope. Data that pod News reported on

Dave JonesDave Jones

miss that I didn't see. Well,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

it basically says radios dead. It's not exactly what it says. But it does say podcast audiences have scale among 25 to 50 fours, which is very important because the concept that only young people listen to podcast is clearly not

true. So up to 54 is not in the young person range. As old dudes, if you listen to podcasts, they are your number one audio platform, you know so. So podcast, people who listen to podcasts and that number is increased increasing listen to 32% of their listening time this podcast 22% Is is am or FM radio. The median age of podcast audience is about 34, which is actually quite good. Now here's the one that that kind of the think is interesting because it's happening to all

traditional media distribution platforms. The podcast audience is 13 years younger than median age of am FM radio listeners and 22 years younger than linear television where audiences have a median age of 56. TV is what's playing in God's waiting room. Wow.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Did you see the average Did you see that? I don't know if this is same report. I don't think it is that that listed the average Oh, oh yeah, that's yours. Yeah, MTV that everyday just. Yeah,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I know. It's not immediate. It's median age. Not average median age, but

Dave JonesDave Jones

average. The median age of an MSNBC viewer was like 70 to

Adam CurryAdam Curry

70 Yeah, no, no. So it comes on so I believe that you can't save radio with towers. But what we lost with radio is local programming. Now why did local program so you know, a even New York I mean, I've I was in New York for many years. And the whether it's Elvis Duran on Z 100 Or if it's the Charlemagne to God, and he's on Z on camera what he's on. But you know, they're not New York local shows. anymore. They're syndicated nationally. Yeah, sure. In between songs. Yeah.

It's Elvis Duran, z 100. New York. Okay, sure. But they're no longer talking just about it's all national issues. And we still have some like Cody, who works in Kerrville, which is, you know, old school rock station, the rock of Texas, no, small signal. We have Hill Country FM out here, but they're dying. And why are they dying because all the local advertising has been slurped up by Facebook. And it's

successful. Now, if if you want to sell something locally, it's going to be you know, it's going to be done on on Facebook and stuff like that. But we still need local programming. In fact, we need it now more than ever. So my kind of this thing I'm working on with some people is to recreate that, too, bring back local programming. And this is where that playlist thing that I was talking about two or three weeks ago comes into play.

And I just want to make sure I understand how the playlists work, because I think I think I'm incorrect, or I was my assumptions were wrong. Okay, but what I'd like to see, if I have a playlist, and I put in that playlist, can I put in that playlist shows? Or do can I only put episodes in that playlist?

Dave JonesDave Jones

Episodes? Ah,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

what I think I'm looking for, is what an OPML subscription list used to do. Okay, so if I wait,

Dave JonesDave Jones

let me let me let me get back Hang on, say, the remote, the remote item, doesn't it? The remote item allows either a feed or an episode to be

Adam CurryAdam Curry

it does allow a feed. Right? Okay. So it does allow a feed but but

Dave JonesDave Jones

that's it's the context that matters that dictates what those things are. A play list is expecting items. Okay?

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Let me explain what I want. Okay, then we'll figure out how we make it happen. Because it's important to me. So I'm just going down, it means I'm just going to be hammering on it. What I want is I want to be able to say I want to subscribe to Adam curry station. And I can go into a podcast app. I mean, I can look for Adam curry station. And it'll be something I can subscribe to. And that station may include

similar to a pod roll. The five shows that I think are great, but when you subscribe to my station, you will get the most recent episode from those five shows that I think are great. Okay. Do we have something that does that now?

Dave JonesDave Jones

Okay, so let you let you have W, W K. RB. And you're going to be searching for that state. You know that local station in your podcast app? Yes. And then when you find that you're going to subscribe to it. Yes. And what you're gonna get is a list of the IS is the each episode is a program in their programming lineup. The last in reverse chronological correct with the rest recent to the oldest

Adam CurryAdam Curry

correct. And then I'd also like to take a percentage of that as my radio station on the ministry

Dave JonesDave Jones

of I mean, off the cuff. That's just a feed. That's just a part. That's just a podcast feed.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Yes, it's a podcast. It's a dynamic podcast feed. Right?

Dave JonesDave Jones

Right. Yeah. Which is not a problem we did that with with 100% retro. Because 100% Retro underpinned retro was live. You know, we we were updating it every I think it was every, every time the programming every time the programming grid change to the next. Okay, yeah, broken. Okay, we updated the fee.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

All right, but it's not a linear radio station. It's not a stream. It's not a linear radio station. It's literally so as a part of my syndication, I'm going to be promoting atom, Adams local station, that I'm going to put up billboards. I'm gonna say, go to Edit, go to your podcast app, your modern podcast app and subscribe to my station, because I have the best programs. And I'll probably have my podcast in there. But I'll also have five others that I think are and hopefully I have a

relationship with them. But that I think are these great podcasts. So when you subscribe, you're actually subscribing to the podcast that I recommend. But the Are all appearing under my feed my station feed and what you're seeing is the most recent episode. That's why I say it was like an OPML when you subscribe to an OPML that's how that would work.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Okay. So, okay. So what you want to happen is use is I searched for W ADM, yes assigned, assigned it. And inside that Thiede is a list of is a are references to other fields.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Yes. And therefore, when I subscribe to it. So just like you described a podcast in 2.0, I mean, and you click on the podcast and two point o podcasts in your podcast list, there's a list of episodes. Now you're subscribing to K, Ada M. And then what you see in the episodes is the most recent episodes reverse chronological order of those feeds that I have referenced. Referenced

Dave JonesDave Jones

feeds Yes, yes. So it's following the trail for each feed and getting the most recent index sorting them all background. Yes.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

And then for extra bonus points, I want to make my station que ADM that I produce, I want to make that sticky at the top. So my EPS, my most recent episode is always at the top.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, that's all just, this is all just programmatic feed generation stuff like so is there a reason why you're wanting it? Because, Okay, couple things. Is there a reason to do this app side rather than back inside and just surf the generated feed? No.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Back end side is perfect if I was just a little confused, because we had publisher feeds and, and and playlists I'm now now that we're talking about it's I love you so much, Dave Jones. Now that we're talking about it, it's just a back end generation. I think so. Perfect. That's even better. That's that's the best. Yay. I love it.

Dave JonesDave Jones

I love it. Like, there can be a feed like a publisher feed like yeah, this would be you could create a publisher feed or a playlist of feeds, but not in but here's

Adam CurryAdam Curry

the trick. Now, here's the trick. The trick is, when you subscribe to K ADM, my feed, and you listen to one of the episodes, I want a piece of the split, and then I want the remote item of that episode to flow through. Does that make sense? So just just like podcasting, 2.0 we take 5% We play Ainsley. And the rest is all split however she determines.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Right? So you're okay, so you're wanting K ADM gets gets a percentage and the rest goes to the source? Yes, correct. I think I think the best. I think honestly, the best way to do that is just with back end fee, generate Perfect, perfect, you've solved my problem. The back end ingests the playlist and then assembles a feed in dynamically every so every few minutes or however long many times it takes it assembles a feed with the proper value recipients and all the

stuff in it. Yes. Yes. So that so that the app doesn't have to do a ton of

Adam CurryAdam Curry

work. Yes. The app just does what it does. already. Yeah.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Perfect. Yeah. And then and then there's just centralist or there would just be didn't need to be some server that is doing all these this feed generation and either in the either hosting is centrally or farming it back out. Yes. These stations can host themselves. Yes,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

yes. Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Yes.

Dave JonesDave Jones

All right mag.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I'm very happy about that. I am tasking myself with creating 1000 local stations in America.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, can Nathan's right Katie and would be a feed filled with items pointing to third party hosted enclosures, but includes a value station in cut. Yes. That's it. That's it. And which is basically exactly what we did for 100%. Retro.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Okay, that's it. I've got it. I'm done. I'm happy. I am a super happy man. Because we don't have to change anything.

Dave JonesDave Jones

The only thing the only thing that has to happen here are the the the local station the local stations. Need to figure out their playlists. Yes,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

exactly. By the way, our Marcus Yes, he says sounds like a man who just got back from Caleb. Yep, you're right. You're right. That's exactly right. Exactly. What Oh, this is perfect. That is perfect.

Dave JonesDave Jones

That was me happy. That doesn't Yeah, that's that's that doesn't sound like a difficult project.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I did want to mention just because I love the guy so much this guy Fernando. He has made this pod mobile project product, I should say. Pod mobile things that pod mobile. Fernando Fernando is I What'd I say? They said, Fernando. Yeah. Pod mobile Missy. It said What's it that it said in this email? Now I've been I've been talking to him ever since for about a year now. It's audio sigma.com. And he has made a device. Which

Dave JonesDave Jones

Oh, that guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And I've been testing

Adam CurryAdam Curry

and now he's moved it to with a DSP. So it's digital signal processing. And this is a device that you just plug in a mic, you plug it into your phone, or you plug it into your computer, and it just works. And the sound of this thing is Adam curry approved. He has because this Dean he calls it a D noiser. So you literally just Oh crack your mic, you don't talk the press the button until the back it's kind of a noise gate filter and all in one. And the preamps on this

thing aren't just like delicious. They're delicious. And you could mix in you could mix in your your your computer or your phone audio. And you can also use it with someone on remote you know, so it's got a where they call it a loopback interface. It's dynamite

Dave JonesDave Jones

and it's no is this is this road caster pro replaceable.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

It depends on what you're doing. I think so yes. I mean, well that well road caster do Oh replaceable, I would say because it he has a single single mic version as well. Which is the mic hero I think it's called. Yes. But you know, so you'd have to have your if you do sound effects and stuff, you have to have a soundboard something that's on your computer, or on your phone. But even it's powered by USB. You don't even plug it in. I mean, I've sick. I've been I've tested

it. And I've had three generation of units here. And this thing is just it is amazing.

Dave JonesDave Jones

This really is the the what was that device that you Yes,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

the Catchmaster probe. This is what I was trying to build back in the day. When I was coming out at at road caster prices. It was just too expensive and was complicated. But he solved a lot with this and it's it's just a dynamite device.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Me 289 For a single mic. That's pretty doable.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That is it. He's got a lot of smart things to views. If you scroll down, you see the back. Those are touch buttons. So it's capacity capacitive buttons. So it's not actually a physical button but you touch it and the adjust that. The LED turns different colors for your equalizer D noise SiC is the right word. It's it's an amazing device. And this guy he comes from I think Brazil came to

America with 100 bucks in his pocket. He just been grinding away at some job and he's been building these in his spare time. I'm so proud of him. He's really doing something beautiful. And he's the engineer guys everything these marketing He's He's everything. Yeah, the mic hero DSP. That's the one. That's the single mic version.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Does he know how to create Alby Wallace?

Adam CurryAdam Curry

You don't know these Fernando.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Need to have a call with Fernando.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Make sure it's Fernando Now why am I think it is Francisco

Dave JonesDave Jones

it's for NASA but your bus route has that just want to mention Buzzsprout has that they came out with that podcast backup thing. I don't know what they didn't like what is that? Like you can point you can point their tool at a at your podcast and it'll back it up like backup all the audio and all that kind of stuff. Just for safekeeping that I just wanted to point out heard about that I'm just gonna mention there's a tool that we built a long time

ago called sucky. They'll do the same thing from the command line so you can just like pointed basically just use key space and then and then the feed URL and it'll suck all the the enclosures down if people want to automate you know downloads them an automated backup to like your own to your own storage or whatever. Completely there's a bunch of like it's a must have happened last couple weeks Stephen crater added episodes.fm and podcast AP links to the website.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I use episodes FM all the time. I unfortunately can't use it without an iTunes ID so I have which I think he's working on. But man do I love that I see a lot of uptake. Because I just send out the or even when it's The if it's a live show I always said that on episodes FM Ling and people like oh, this is great. I can just select my favorite app and then it remembers it or I can play it right there on the page is fantastic. What a smart smart idea.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Have you seen the podcast a paid link?

Adam CurryAdam Curry

No,

Dave JonesDave Jones

let me see. So if you go to you know, just any podcast on podcast index.org There's a there's a follow there's like a little little thing next to the lightning icon where you can click on it it'll take you to podcast AP to that feed and you can you can follow it in Mastodon or whatever your

Adam CurryAdam Curry

upline. Oh, cool.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, cuz we're gonna, you know, we're gonna put this onto the page itself, then I figure I mean, this Steven already built it. So I'm like, we'll just link out to that.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

So he has a mystery. Oh, okay. So there's episodes dot F m link there as well. Yeah.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Nice. So you can click out to eight to either one of those, like the replacement for the Chiclets. Yeah, that keeps us from having to like, have all those stupid badges. Yes. Yes, Nathan. Nathan says he's up to 99,000 500 million monthly active users

Adam CurryAdam Curry

already is. That's all from me. You're welcome. He's even used the ma us so boy.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, the I don't know. What do we

Adam CurryAdam Curry

you listen to our hatless and we got to do our hate. Listen. Oh, you wanna do the hatless? Yes, of course. The hate listen was great this week. It's a thin line between love and hate people.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yes, but where's my clips? Out there? Okay. I've did not have a copy of my own clips to look at. So yeah, the I was I've been reading this book showing the full room you open this up when anyone there this? I've been reading this book called. So do you know a guy named Matthew Crawford?

Adam CurryAdam Curry

No. Can't say that. I

Dave JonesDave Jones

do. So he wrote a book called shockcraft as SoulCraft that

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Yeah, yeah, we've talked about that. I think this is the guy who didn't he build a motorcycle or something or did something? Yeah, he's

Dave JonesDave Jones

a motorcycle mechanic. Yeah. So I know about him. Sure. Sort of motorcycle mechanic turns philosopher type. I think he was a journalist and stuff in the past. I'm not sure. I don't know all of his history. But shop craft is SoulCraft is his big work. But he also wrote a book called Why We drive which is a car book. He's a gearhead. So this is a car book that I was I was reading. I was reading him. And he was reading this book while we drive. And currently, in a couple of days

ago, he said this. He said future futurism which I like, I like this term futurism. Because it's, it's got a you know, you can't really say that word without it being a little bit. tongue in cheek like, you know, these guys, this is there's some shading is there. futurism is a genre of mythmaking that seeks to generate a feeling of inevitability around some desired outcome. A picture that is offered as though it were a

prediction, this is a good way to attract investment. And reciprocally, the flow of investment dollars is a good way to attract public speech of fires, like journalists, thought leaders, etc. Who will lend their voices to the chorus of inevitability, one must accept the future rather than cling to the past, which often means simply accepting the present, which presently exists, that's perfectly adequate. Do you prefer to wallow in the comfort of self delusions of nostalgia?

Like, I like this description, because this perfectly described he's talking. He's talking here about Uber. Yeah. And how the they're not really a technology company. You know, the thing, like it's sort of it always reminds me about avoid when you said that Apple and Google and these are not really technology companies, they're law firms that make some apps. Like that's, that's essentially what he's saying about Uber is like, Uber is not really a technology company. They're a they're a, a

regulatory buster. They're more of a political entity that happens to make a profit that happens to make an app to enable their pulling up sort of political and financial means. And you know, the whole the whole thing is there. The Uber model is never going to make is never going to turn a profit is this We all know that or at least I hope we do. But it also ends up creating just like Airbnb. It creates tons of sort

of like what you want to call supply side bloat. The reason I'm bringing this up is because I think this same thing has happened with Spotify. I read barabar letters article on Spotify as leaving the IB. And I think basically, Spotify is essentially done the same thing to the podcast industry to a certain degree. You have companies like Uber and Airbnb, which have created tons of supply side bloat, like fueled by this exit strategy, desire combined with political sort of

us versus them marketing. I mean, that's the secret to technology to tech industry innovation. Now, if they

Adam CurryAdam Curry

even had a walled garden at the most recent podcast conference, you literally couldn't come in.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, yeah. And so the so you now what you have is you have a because of Airbnb, you have a housing market where most of the houses are not most, but a humongous percentage of the houses sit empty all the time. 25%

Adam CurryAdam Curry

of our housing supply in Fredericksburg, Texas, is air b&b.

Dave JonesDave Jones

And I guarantee you at any given time, there is a great majority of that

Adam CurryAdam Curry

is empty, except on weekends. Yep. Yep, it's literally

Dave JonesDave Jones

empty all the time. And he makes the same. He makes the same statement about Uber. He said, most of these Ubers sit empty all the time. That's how they that's how they maintain the illusion of tap a button and have a car show up. Yeah. Is because most of the time they're empty. They're just sitting doing nothing. It's created this huge bloat and the same thing is happening in AI.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

My favorite topic, yes,

Dave JonesDave Jones

it same thing is happening with AI and the Bloom is starting to come off the rows on the whole thing when you have the hatless and on the media. Looking at it, which and so a couple of things he what what got me is I had read this thing in in while we drive about the about this futurism. futurism is a genre of mythmaking that seeks to generate a feeling of inevitability around a desired outcome. And then on the media talks, there it is about inevitability. All this

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while technology companies push the public along a path that they and members of the press say is inevitable. We know that generative AI that chat GPT is the image generators, things like that are much more computationally intensive than the types of tools that we were using

previously. So they require a lot more computing power. And as a result of that Amazon and Microsoft and Google are in the process of doing a major build out of large hyperscale data centers around the world in order to power what they hope will be this major demand for these generative AI tools into the future. That obviously requires a lot of energy and a lot of water to power it. I think we have paths now to a massive energy transition away from burning carbon.

And so in this interview in January, with Bloomberg, Altman actually directly engaged with that when he was asked about it, does this frighten you got this because the world hasn't been that versatile when it comes to supply. But AI, as you have pointed out, it's not going to take its time until we start generating enough power, it motivates us to go invest more in fusion and invest more

in North new storage. He said that we're actually going to need an energy breakthrough in nucular technologies in order to power the vision of AI that he has, he didn't kind of hesitate and say, Well, if we don't arrive at it, then maybe we won't be able to roll out this vision of AI that I hope to see but rather that we're just going to have the power with other you know, energy sources, those often being fossil energy sources, and that would require

us to geoengineer the planet in order to kind of keep it cooler than it would otherwise be because of all the emissions that we're creating.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

The Messiah has spoken

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, the these people are insane. Yes. They are literally they are insane. He's what he's saying is we're going to need so much Jeep like forget Airbnb. Forget the way the wasted space of Airbnb forget the wasted gas and time of Uber. This is going to be so much wasted GPU compute, that we're going to need to RIT to re engineer the world's energy systems to be able to handle the massive the massive quantities of power needed for Google to tell you that you need to put

glue on your pizza. that that these people are insane. And they're also this. So can

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I just stop you? Yeah, just looking at Sam Altman, just if you remove yourself from a moment from the technology realm, he's acting insane. He's acting like an insane person. Just talk to him. Look at him. He acts like he's nuts.

Dave JonesDave Jones

He's got dead eyes. Yes, yes. So the this emergent properties, idea that it's awesome. What they did here because they went back and checked on some of these. Some of these things that we've been told. And remember, this is all about the tech industry is all about is futurism. It's all

about the myth of inevitability. And one way you do that is what he just did by saying, okay, look, this is so this is so crucial to humanity, such a game changer, that we're going to have to invent cold fusion, or whatever to to power these things. And then the other part is, look, this, this technology is doing things itself, you can't even stop it. Like it's got. It's got emergent properties that we don't even understand. So one of

Adam CurryAdam Curry

them. Oh, man, I had it so perfectly timed. Oh, yeah, sorry,

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one of the biggest problems, there was not just what Sundar Pichai was saying, but that the hosts of the program, who were, you know, interviewing him and conducting this, we're not really pushing back on any of these narratives that he was putting out there of the AI issues we talked about. The most mysterious is called emergent property Scott Pelley of 60 minutes, some AI systems are teaching themselves skills that they weren't

expected to have. For example, one Google AI program adapted on its own, after it was prompted in the language of Bangladesh, which it was not trained to know. After the peace came out AI researcher Margaret Mitchell, who previously co lead Google's AI ethics team posted on X saying that according to Google's own public documents, the Chatbot had actually been trained on Bengali texts, meaning this was not evidence of emergent properties. Oops.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Good show title though. emergent properties. I like that.

Dave JonesDave Jones

The other so that, you know, that was the one that we that we heard from the 60 Minutes interview, they sort of propelled this, there's, you know, it's like there's always this, there's always this media propellant. Like with COVID. It was a poster home on Rogen. That lit the fire of COVID. That that 60 minutes thing, I think, was a flashpoint that lit the fire of MLMs. But that, you know, so we everybody knows about that one, but the the other one you hear all the time is it passed the

bar exam. This is a classic. Yeah, and that was BS, too.

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Here's another exaggeration that made its way into a TV news piece. The latest version chat GPT. Four can even pass the bar exam with a score in the top 10%. And it can do it all in just seconds chat GPT four scored in the 90th percentile on the bar exam. Was that legit? Yeah, so that claim was debunked recently, Julia Angwin is the founder of proof news. She recently wrote an op ed for the New York Times titled press pause on the Silicon Valley hype machine.

And MIT researcher basically reran the test and found that it actually scored in the 48th percentile. And the difference was that when you're talking about percentiles, you have to say, who are the other people in that cohort that you're comparing with, right. And so apparently, open AI was comparing to a cohort of people who had previously failed the exam multiple times.

Open AI compared its product to a group that took the bar in February, they tend to fail more than people who take it in July. And so when you put it compared to a cohort of people who had passed it at the regular rate, then you got to this 48 percentile. The problem is that paper comes out. It's peer reviewed, and it's like goes through the academic process that comes out like a year later than the claim.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

This is if I can just if I can interrupt your flow for a second. This is part of the reason why I believe the twit network is dying once phones came out, although what happened before that for many, many years, and this is something I learned from Dave Winer, because he always complained about this, and Dave's good at complaining the

He, that the technology press became cheerleaders. And the reason they became cheerleaders is because they would get early access to something, then if they weren't a cheerleader, their early access would go away. And of course, the hunger for the coolest latest widget, the new phone with, you know, with the latest cameras in it or whatever the whatever the widget is, and they really became instead of critical, because they get free, you know, evaluation devices and early

access and they all work under embargo. And whenever I hear embargo, I'm like, Okay, you're just you're promoting something because you know, if you get some new if there's news is news, and you report on the news, otherwise, you're just doing embargo you just really a flowered over pr agents. And so everything is always cool and awesome. It doesn't always work. See the apple vision Pro, but in general, and boy, by the way, Kara Swisher is a huge shill in this way. I mean, I remember her

saying for months, Apple's thing is going to suck. Who needs it? Ben, she got an early demo. This is the future. This is fantastic. This is great. So it's that early. The technology press is not press anymore. And that started with the twit network with the phones. When phones came out it was always the new phone. We got to new cool this the cool. That's so cool. It's so cool. And everything became cool and awesome. And um, they actually became the SAM Altman's the

people on the panel. Well, you could use it for this. Imagine this Imagine that? Well emergent properties?

Dave JonesDave Jones

That, you know, I'll put this back to on on Apple as access journalism has always been a problem to like put in, especially in politics. Yeah. But in the in the tech world, ag access journalism was, I think it was refined into an art form by Apple and Steve Jobs specifically, I agree with every Yeah, everybody wanted to interview him, everybody wanted

access. And so in order to do that, you had to suck up, you know, to the to the Apple corporate machine, and get and get in their good graces, because they would cut you off. They'll cut you off, you wouldn't get invited to their exclusive, you know, new product launches and these kinds of things. You know, you couldn't sit there in the audience and blog as they were talking on stage. And like this goes back.

So that goes back to another thing. They talked about this interview in this piece about the coveted tech founder interview. Today, we're

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seeing so many fun, we got

Adam CurryAdam Curry

to we've got to work on our transitions day, if I'm not sure if I'm jumping the gun on Yeah,

Dave JonesDave Jones

yeah, I'm getting carried away. And I'm just like running off at the mouth.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

You're literally giving me the what I think is the cue and I'm like, Okay, hit it. Let me run again.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Okay. All right. And so that brings us back to another thing they talked about in this piece, which is the tech founder interview. Today,

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we've seen so many fawning conversations with tech leaders who are at the forefront of artificial intelligence. Yeah, absolutely. One of the ones that really stands out, of course, is an interview that Sundar Pichai, the CEO of Google did with 60 minutes back in April of 2023. And in this interview, Sundar was talking about how these AIs were a black box, and we don't know what goes on in there. Let me put it this way. I don't think we fully understand how a human mind works either.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

By the way, know that on the transition, that was great, that was

Dave JonesDave Jones

Z. So this goes back to remember principle number one is to have tech now of the tech Hype Machine is that these people are insane. They smoke crack, actually,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

they're micro dosing the ketamine,

Dave JonesDave Jones

ketamine the I love I love the reason I put this in here is because I love what Sundar Pichai the way the thing he said, I think it's easy to escape if you're not listening close and thinking about what he said. He said, We don't understand fully the way the human mind works either. There is a real equivocation there between LLS limbs in the human

Adam CurryAdam Curry

mind, this is quite a bit of space in between the two can we

Dave JonesDave Jones

just say that if you think if you even attempt to equivocate on those two things you're you're literally smoking crack Yeah, you are insane. Yeah. But the this one the what I love the best part of the whole the whole on the media which we sort of bring it brings it back around to the to the to his hate listen core. Is this awesome groundbreaking idea.

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Journalists shouldn't believe just a video that claims to show something how running without actually taking a minute to even carefully watch the video or ask to have access to the tool themselves. Oh,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

it's no, it's the demo. It's the demo. The demo. Yeah. Yeah. It's, you know, the sad thing is that governments are all over this. And I know why. Because the government so like, hey, wait a minute, if we can control what's in these MLMs, we can control the output and we can have, or what goes into these MLMs or we can control the companies through legislation, they will be able to control the masses who have been taught by the access journalist that this is real.

And that this is reasoning, and that this is the human brain. And so now of course, it's backfiring. Specifically, though, particularly for Google is backfiring. Big time, because you Yeah, it's now they're just a mean, they're just an ongoing meme about the latest, crazy thing that Google search is throwing back at people. You know, I don't have to mention them all. But the cockroaches is a fun one. Oh, that's great. And, and the glue on?

Dave JonesDave Jones

My favorite one is the dog in a hot car. Did you see that? What's that? Is it okay to leave in a dog in a hot car? And the answer was, yes, it's perfectly fine to leave a dog in a hot car. And it kept going. And it said there's even a Beatles song called dog in a car and they started giving lyrics. I love that's great. I love it. Because when you it, it takes away the mystery of all this. When you can follow the the answer it gives and see the Reddit post that it pulled from.

Exactly, exactly. And and makes it where it's no longer mysterious. And

Adam CurryAdam Curry

this whole thing is circular. Because the news business who is always looking for a daddy, they've been ever since the internet, the news business has been dying because they mistakenly thought that people would pay for news. And it was always been a loss leader. Back in the days of Cronkite and CBS and the Tiffany network. It was literally a loss leader. The newspapers found out that oh wait a minute, people

weren't actually paying to read our news. They were they it was the classifieds that were paying for them to print the news, along with the classifieds. And now it's come full circle where these news outlets, the latest being the Atlantic are like, yeah, we'll sell you our data for your LLM. So it's a circular thing now. So it's gonna be their crap being fed right back into their crap. It's just it's going to go on forever and ever and ever. And, and I've predicted this, I'm going to say

one more time, the future is dark, it's a dark winter. And there will will be a pivot to the next hype, which will be quantum computing. That's the next pivot. The pivot is quantum my sister is in this business. And she says her customers are already asking for Quantum. They've heard it and Google is has products they are now they're unaffordable for shopping sites, etc. Because that's what most of this stuff is being used for. She has clients who know they and she

integrates AI into their shopping systems. So that there's never an an empty answer. It never comes back and says no, I don't have that product for you ever. So it's it's built to lie and say no, but you might want this. And her customers are already saying well, can we get quantum because we see Google as a as again, a very spiffy demo. But once you actually add on the features, it's unaffordable to me there's no way it just it'll never the numbers never work out. But that

will be the next hype. And this is the this is the issue. Because you look at the stock market right now in video makes up a big part of the s&p 500 Spike. Oh,

Dave JonesDave Jones

yeah, it's like something like 5% of the index by itself.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Yes, yes. Yes, yes, yes. Oh,

Dave JonesDave Jones

it's it once this but when this bubble pops, it's going to be bad.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

So I have a clip that I played I think we could go on no agenda is from a New York University professor who was on CNBC and I love CNBC because they kind of have to report some truth because it is financial. And a lot of it is this numbers you know this real income and you know, once you get past the EBIT, da and all that, all that kind of fuzzy numbers which actual market participants understand very well,

Dave JonesDave Jones

this Becky on Squawk Box.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

This is the result of this guy kind of tells it as it is.

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You've consistently offered gut checks about hallucinations, lack of progress, the way in which this is not the pipe dream that some envision. Have any of the recent product introductions changed your mind? No, I mean, we're still basically working with With the same technology, it's still designed in the same way. It takes a lot of statistics from a lot of words and tries to predict what happens next. And as soon as these things come out, people

start playing with them on Twitter and so forth. And you see a lot of examples where they're still making the same boneheaded mistakes as they were before. Nobody has actually solved to loosen nations. And I don't think we can with large language models. I think we need genuine innovation here. So what happens is we have a trap right now where people propose things like the humane AI, then imagining that AI is solved, and then they put it out in the world. And we realize, no, it's

not solved. And I'm afraid that hasn't happened yet. Are you going so far as to argue that the wave of investment that very smart companies are making right now is misplaced? I think people are putting in too much money too fast. I do think it's kind of premature. Sam Altman talked about raising $7 trillion. That's like series H money, or something like that, when you've really established your business model, and so

forth. And that just hasn't happened here. I will publicly predicted that open air, I might turn out to be the WeWork of AI, people might scratch their heads and say, Well, this is a solution. In search of a problem. We haven't really found the problem. The whole industry spent something like $50 billion last year made $3 billion in revenue, that is not sustainable

in the long term. So either they have to make it better, which is proven really difficult, or they have to find some killer use case, which they haven't really because the performance is unreliable. So yeah, my guess is that a lot of investors are going to be left holding

Adam CurryAdam Curry

back 50 billion and 3 billion out. Wow, that's

Dave JonesDave Jones

not that's not sustainable. Unless it's a war.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

This is fine. Yeah, the thing is, this all stems from really a math sex cult called Effective Altruism. Oh,

Dave JonesDave Jones

yeah. The the, that that, that Australian chick that sounds like she's from America. Yeah. She's she's in that too. Yeah.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

This is they were all in they thought they could solve the world's problems through math. And but it's really a sex cult. And that's what that's what look at Sam Altman.

Dave JonesDave Jones

And and what's his name of SPF?

Adam CurryAdam Curry

It's same also Effective Altruism, the another sex cult, with a nicer apartment.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Cisco was better dig? Yeah, it's

Adam CurryAdam Curry

much better digs. Exactly. Exactly.

Dave JonesDave Jones

This, you know, bring it back around to to podcasting for a second spot. This is what I just get echoing when I was reading Brian Bartlett, his piece on Spotify, which I which I think is a good piece I think everybody should read it is from if you're thinking about podcasting from

his frame, which is advertising, so selling and selling ads. He's seeing the result of, of this same process that happened in the podcasting world, Spotify, I keep thinking back to a couple years ago, James had mentioned he said, that Spotify as press, their media department was just an absolute machine pumping out

press releases, like two or three a week. And it's that same process of trying to manufacture a, a myth of inevitability, that that pot, you know, the future of Spotify is, it's going to be you know, it's, you're going to come everybody everything's going to be first party data, everything's going to be going through our app, where the Kings, you better to get on

board, or you're gonna get left behind. And now that they've now that they've gotten once they got religion, and decided to turn a profit, they've just cut everything and now they're just getting now they're ruthless. They're cutting out the they're cutting out direct sale, they're gonna be they're gonna start undercutting all of their publishers on the advertising side. It's about to get ugly, because they, they saw, and I think they got emboldened by YouTube coming into podcasting.

YouTube was like, that was like, no, no, we're not doing passthru we're just going to host everything ourselves. Yeah. And you get nothing. Yes, right. Yeah, we're gonna do that, too. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if if it's vodka if Spotify ditches pass through in the next Oh, here.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

And the end, the only way RSS works is if it works everywhere. Yeah. And that's, you know, wherever you get your podcast is one of the most powerful statements and media ever created, ever created. Then you can't just have it work on one in one place. It just it's that's what we've learned is 20 years of experience here. It has to work everywhere.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, and that's and that's what we talked about the very beginning of the show. I mean, if if this stuff, if we can't fix the lightning thing, if it doesn't work everywhere, then it doesn't work. That's right. It's got to work everywhere.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Let's make it work everywhere, everybody Let's make it work everywhere well thanks people yeah I'll kick it off with the boost that came in during the show during this board meeting these laughs with 1000 SATs I'm late to the meeting what did I miss? Oh cool the cool the planet yeah that's right cool the planet 11 11,948 years Israeli freedom booths from Sir Brian of London. Cuz I'm back on track. I'm beating the flak nobody's gonna get me on another rap. Glad to have you

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going to be a hootenanny. Like $2 Holla. I like that a lot. I like it a lot. That's exactly the stuff that we needed to be doing with music on podcasting to porno, more wallets. Sam says the 1000 SATs, his usual opening line, we already do this. For playlists, if you create a playlist and someone plays it, he's coming in from true fans. Of course, we pay the creator of the playlist, the percentage we paid the podcast episode. In the playlist, we just need to add V for V splits the publisher

feeds, we're doing this for our new event feed. And another 1000 sets. Oh, that's this Oh, he sent it twice a message twice. He sent it and the origin of the 1000 SATs. says this is a publisher feed we do this already. So you have a radio feed. I don't think it's the same thing was what I described. It,

Dave JonesDave Jones

it's it is the same thing, but it depends on how you handle it. But that's the thing is that is how you parse it. You know, are you expecting to parse it as a pod roll type, right linkage or are you expecting to follow the feeds to their sources and then grab the items out?

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Okay, so that's an app specific way of parsing?

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, it can it can do whatever you want depending on you know, the on the medium or whatever.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

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Dave JonesDave Jones

Daniel Lewis in the chat says Sam says he needs a t shirt. We do this already.

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Dave JonesDave Jones

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Adam CurryAdam Curry

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Dave JonesDave Jones

rss.com they're lit now. Yeah, you could do it. Yes. There. There's

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Yeah, their platform. That's another thing, ma'am. The live and live stuff is a future for sure. For sure, Nene.

Dave JonesDave Jones

I'm gonna get them on the show here. Yes.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

We have Andrew Grumman next week, right?

Dave JonesDave Jones

We do. Yep. Yep.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

excited. I'm excited. I'm excited to have him on. Seventh seventh central Dred Scott. Dave, he says 3000 days weaksauce we really heard that earlier. 70 777 from Dred Scott pre show booths got the bat signal. And then we have the you get Eric, our podcast Eric on your list. You might not have came in just before we started. I'll do it. I'll do it just in case. 32,768 which is an interesting number. How do you Adam and Dave at least you had a perfectly logical reason for

your break last week. As for me, I forgot to hit the record button from my our weekly highlights podcast last week. Or you only do that once or twice in your life. Even with my show notes doc having press record everywhere, no AI bot overlords. I've taken over this guy yet. Man. I'm sorry. I know how that hurts. That hurts so much. It's the worst. It's the worst. And that's what I got from the live

Dave JonesDave Jones

use. Have you ever done a whole show? And it's not recorded? Yes, I

Adam CurryAdam Curry

have. Now luckily, it actually happened in the 1664 episodes I've done have no agenda. It's happened probably twice. And luckily, there are many producers out there who automatically spin up recording stream recording devices and and actually make a link of that it's all automated. So if that happens again or if I have some disaster, I can always go to that link and and grab the show from the stream which granted has a little different sound processing once it comes back.

But it has been a save saving grace couple of times. Yeah,

Dave JonesDave Jones

I think I think I remember one time a long time ago or maybe Darren O'Neill had to send you a copy or somebody liked

Adam CurryAdam Curry

and back in the day when I was on wi TB FM Salem West Virginia at the college radio station sunrise to sundown everybody I did a whole show in the morning before I realized I forgot to turn the transmitter on yep cavemen all groggy you know, college kid came in all groggy and like, start the show, Mike. Oh, no. Oh, no. There's a nice row of Doc's. In fact, it's 22,000 to one and 22 from lavish who says good meeting. Good meeting. I thank you. I

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Dave JonesDave Jones

Oh, I got some paper towels. I guess I'm these did not have time to print these. So there's gonna be a mix of Okay. Have everything in one batch get Paul Saltzman 2222. Thank you, Paul. Oh, get oh, the boys from Buzzsprout. Tom, Kevin, Alvin. All the other guys. John. Eric, everybody. $1,000

Adam CurryAdam Curry

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Dave JonesDave Jones

appreciate it. Thanks, guys. Send us some fan mail goes. away when we have to send no it doesn't work that way.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

We got to put a link, we need a link with a fan mail link and your family link.

Dave JonesDave Jones

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Adam CurryAdam Curry

I appreciate that Satan at least is listening to us. Yeah,

Dave JonesDave Jones

I mean, I just hope he doesn't sue us. But see, oh, yeah. Paul airson longtime donor to the show. He's he said I'm just a cynic. No doubt. Just want to Yeah, sure. Read a little bit of he said, I'm just listening to the 180th for the boardroom where you're talking about local podcasting. Sorry if this comes up, but I'm only part of the way through. He says we were just on vacation with a rental car and wanted to find some local stations. So we hopped on the radio in the car

and started searching. That was very easy. And everyone knows how to do that. How do we do this for podcasting? Is there a geography tag or something similar that there that that is there or could be added? Then podcast apps could use location or zip code or something like that to find local bottom line thought if local discoveries easier than the local digital distribution may allow for faster uptick.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

When we changed the the geolocation tag to reflect that if if that is something that someone is doing in that tag? Well,

Dave JonesDave Jones

the location tag is still for what the podcast is about. Not What Yes, where it's I thought I

Adam CurryAdam Curry

heard James relenting and saying we should change that to have an option to be where it's from. Who didn't hear that? Yeah, yeah. Which I think is a good idea to make it an option. That way, there's no confusion. It's either about where it's about or where it originates from.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Maybe there's maybe we need an attribute in there that will toggle that. Yeah, I

Adam CurryAdam Curry

think that's what he was talking about. Okay, there may be there may be a GitHub discussion about this.

Dave JonesDave Jones

No, I'm gonna go look. Yeah. Michael Gagan $5 Thank you, Michael. Appreciate that. Charles current $5 Thank you, Charles. We got a new monthly subscriber for $5 a month Jorge Hernandez. Thank you. Appreciate that. We've got Christopher reamer $10 The Chris Cohen glotzbach $5 James Sullivan. $10. Jordan Dunnville $10 drips got $15 Thank you, Joy. Thank you. Michael. Kimmerer $5.33 Pedro gun compass $5 And that's all of our papers. Now. We got some boosts. See?

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Adam CurryAdam Curry

No, that's that's that is auto message his and it shows up here my helipad as well so whether he listens to it or not the way true fans works is it automatically sends a payment when an episode drops that you've set up auto payments for with

Dave JonesDave Jones

with a message saying yes like the automated boost. Yeah, cool. Cool.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

That's very cool. Yeah.

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Adam CurryAdam Curry

Nice. Yep. I believe in that. Brian

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Adam CurryAdam Curry

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Dave JonesDave Jones

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Adam CurryAdam Curry

We tried that too. Yeah. Everything's coming together it but progress is a process.

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Adam CurryAdam Curry

Yo,

Dave JonesDave Jones

yo Thank you CSB. Yeah, brother,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

thank you. Help. He's mad when we slag off AI. Believer, he's a believer. He's a believer in AI. And he'll

Dave JonesDave Jones

be a believer in it in take yours.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Well, I think we were jam packed with a board meeting. Let's build some wallets. Everybody. Yes, let's come up with some stuff that we'll be looking at when we see if we can offer some some ideas and solutions. And if you have them, let us know if there's anything out there, so we can keep this going. I think it's a good idea. It does work. It does work. You see it right here, right here on this program.

Dave JonesDave Jones

I'll send that way late. Just send me an email saying there's a duplicate feed for Ainsley that

Adam CurryAdam Curry

may the I may have done that. Did you? Okay, I might have but the question is, which one do we delete?

Dave JonesDave Jones

He's shows me the one to delete. I'll take care of it. But

Adam CurryAdam Curry

will that screw up the boost that we've done here on the show?

Dave JonesDave Jones

No, no, I don't think so. Well screw up

Adam CurryAdam Curry

my value time split that I'm going to put in after the fact. No, no, no, because it points to the feed right? Yeah. Okay. All right. You'll take care of it. Again. Yeah, I think it was my fault because I needed to grab the track with the value time split stuff. And it wasn't in there yet. And I didn't know if they were going to put it in on time. So I think I dropped it. I dropped it. I'm sorry. Both of these.

Dave JonesDave Jones

They both did. They have the same good so they should okay,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I duped it. I'm sorry. I created a dupe I try not to do the power of the good. Let's have a great weekend Brother Dave. And thank you everybody in the boardroom. We'll be back next week Friday podcast 2.0.

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