Episode 181: Bucket of Chicks

Casting 2.0 for May 31 2024, episode 181 bucket of kicks. Hello, everybody. We are back in this little once again time for the official board meeting of podcasting. Oh, that's right. Everything going on with podcasting, accept no substitutes. This is where it all happens. What's going on with the namespace podcast? index.org podcasting 2.0 podcast index dot social. We are the only boardroom that plays music and pays the artists. That's right. I'm Adam curry here in

have been found guilty. Guilty,

guilty. guilty on all counts. What did you do? What did you do?

guilty of being awesome.

Yes, Dave Jones, you are very guilty of being awesome, my friend. Awesome. And

I'm sitting I didn't tell you before the show started. But I'm sitting next to a bucket of chickens.

A bucket of chickens. Chickens chickens, like fried chickens or with chickens. Chickens.

This is pre pre fraud. These are chicks. They hatch. Oh, we

are hatching chicks. Oh, that's so cute. See a little hot heat lamp and everything.

Yeah, it's a little like this little heat. What you call it? Sort of like a it's not a lamp though. It's like a It's a heat. It's like a heat pad. But it's elevated on these little legs that you screw up and down to raise and lower the heat towards like, you know to make that a little personal space for the chickens.

So not only are you awesome, you're also a chick Magnus.

Yes, chick. Beside me. I have 11 Chicks right beside me in

a bucket. Has your dog discovered the chicks yet? That's always fun. We'll see

they're in the they're in the podcast room because it's really the only place in the house that we can kind of lock them up and they it makes sense. So they're they're right beside you can't they're not peeping real loud yet but they make them make it go in in a minute. Okay, but there's there's literally 11 of them down and that's

so cute. Um, do they know their futures to have their their necks chopped by you?

These are, these are egg.

choppers. Oh, okay.

We'll keep roosters then

we'll keep these.

Yeah, hey, man. Oh, cute. Oh, man.

So we didn't have a board meeting last week. I was Jones in a little bit. Although most of my Friday was comprised of travel to nashvegas

on Yeah, missed you, sweetheart.

I missed you too. Darling. What did you do on your day off? sheet rock Sridhar, I got drunk drywall baby. I got my flatbed. Well, so we went to the K love fan awards weekend. K Love is a Christian music's it's a network really stations all across the country. And they do they do this one weekend in Nashville at the was at the the Opryland now the good Gaylord Hotel, which is right next to the Grand Ole Opry and this which is basically a BioDome.

Yeah, it's, it's huge so that that hotel is gigantic.

And but the thing is, is like you never you feel like you leave your room and you walk out and you and they've got palm trees and there's rivers and waterfalls, but it's all inside a BioDome.

Yeah, it's like Pauly Shore is in there somewhere these you gotta find

and Pauly Shore of all the names. Probably

biodome when that is movie but BioDome? I don't think I've seen it. That's where he had a movie called Biona wouldn't surprise or something.

So there's 1000s of people at this event. And it's all music. I mean, from Friday night, they had a concert in the what is it the Delta ballroom which I think holds two and a half 1000 People with and the sound was amazing. I was very, very surprised by that. And then you have the next day you had like songwriters, roundtable and emerging artists. And then Sunday morning, elevation worship played. And then Sunday

Yeah, this was I forget who I forgot who it was. Some musician used to say I think Maybe Randy Travis, or somebody said that like you're the average janitor. Like don't get too much of a big hit because the average janitor in Nashville is a better guitar player than you are.

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And all these guys, of course, you know, because you really can't make much money with music anymore. Everyone has to tour consistently, are constantly and if they don't tour they're working for Dave Ramsey. I mean, it's like

Does he have a stranglehold on Nashville for some reason

does I mean he has a lot of people working for him. This operation is a huge operation.

Does he live in Nashville?

I think so. Yeah. Thank you.

What's the place? What's the big suburb outside of Nashville? All the rich people lives at Brentwood. There's

Well, there's helped me out boardroom there's as very face on the tip of my tongue. Now Sir Patrick Koba lives there. A Frank Franklin Frank okay. Yeah, that's Franklin. And there's another one Murfreesboro, of course, is another one. But Franklin is, is where a lot of where the where the, where the touring musicians live, like the Mercy me guys. They all live in Franklin. Anyway. And so what you notice when when they're all on stage play, and there's there's some

that I'll just in general say that the quality of Christian music now is so much better than it used to be, like 20 years ago, and it's not even it's not even in the same ballpark.

It's almost crossing over with country. So yeah, totally. And but what you notice pretty quick, as everybody is writing and playing together all the songs like well, Ethan wrote that song and that's all I played with him on this and say it's kind of a small group. And, you know, that's because it's really it's also the natural vibe is which I would say is the harder is kind of like LA was in the in the 80s and 90s, where everyone's just there, everyone's playing that

fee? Or it is I found it index. Okay, people pleaser here it is. I was just wanting to look at the feed and see who see who's in it for a split. You know,

the splits may be on the back end on wave Lake, I

think. Okay, yeah, it's only going to wave like okay, but at least I hope so at

least I hope so.

There's one Okay, so there's one, I'm just looking at the value tag. And here there's one split. And it says in the name of the split value recipient name people pleaser via wave lake. And then there's an address because of that. Okay, so Well,

we are splitting it out back there, I believe. I believe it's Christian harger And Nathan, dos. Okay. Hey, Pfeiffer. Yeah. So five versus wavelength. I'm out, bro. All right, man. If you want to help the value for value, have that attitude. That's really good. That's the right attitude. That's really helpful. That's really, really helpful. That's really going to move the needle for everybody.

So make artists want to really jump in. They want to hop in

and then really get on the D MU train. That's right. That's right, please. But it was it was very exciting because there was a lot of people there who were very interested in what we're doing. And

did they know about it or do you have to evangelize? No,

I had to preach. I had to evangelize Of course. Okay. Now, this kind of leads up to another thing because I did have a nice conversation with With, with Jim and Julie this week, and you know, they kind of flew an upside down flag at me. Field to mind the pine tree flag, they flew the US flag upside down. They weren't distress, oh, flag binary flag.

we have. The phase seven is, is closing tomorrow. So that's good timing. I can do that as soon as it's ready. Okay, good.

They're, obviously they're in for the long haul. Because things don't you know, just all of a sudden happen the minute we're all excited, and we'll talk about that, because things have been happening that are exciting, but takes years. But the main thing that they were concerned about is wallets. And I think we need to discuss. Yes, I agree. Yeah. Because it looks like get Alby is out of the custodial wallet business.

Can you explain? Please explain if what's going on with that, because I don't understand. Okay, so I thought that there was a I thought they were still an onboarding path through the 2.0 apps, and is that now gone to that's going away?

That that is going away, that's my understanding. And, but maybe even more importantly, is there's also really no path for someone to easily set up a wallet if you're a podcaster, or a musician. And so, what the Costello said is like, but you know, we're only really able to onboard people into fountain. And fountain, although it's great, you know, to onboard your your feed, regardless of what your enclosure is. That, you know, it's it's not it's confusing.

Sometimes that's just faster, and it is,

it is faster in that in that way. And it's, I think, you can't even get a new wallet through pod bursts. You know, if you just if you just jump on, just start using it. So if developers, the app developers are interested in being continuing value for value, some work will be required.

I mean, so what's the I mean? I feel a need to help developers with this. Well, me too, you know, I mean, but I don't, but I don't know what path to take is the issue. I mean, that there's,

well, here's one thing we can do. Regardless of how you set stuff up, it seems like the one problem is always liquidity. So the index can help with that, you know, if you need liquidity and whatever your setup is, but I feel like the Munis SDK is is a couple of them now that they are the solution, because all you have to do is just integrate the Yes, I mean, I'm, hello, this is me, Adam, the developer, all you got to do is just put the SDK in there, and it works. But I think that

Yeah, so you're gonna have, so you've got to see you need a you need a wallet on both sides. You need a podcaster wallet. And you need a listener wallet. Yep. That's that's the issue. Is that the listener wallet? Is the going to be the the one that that gets the most direct hit from this? Yes. Off the bat. Yes. Right. Because they're just not going to be one available to pick up. Unless, you know, because because the wallet needs to be on the listener side. So it's on the on

and this is exactly why we had our own pay running. We had Elon pay ramius. And then we shut it down. And then here we go. Well, well, no, I

mean, Tim, shut it down. Yeah,

so okay. Yes, Tim, shut it down. Correct.

Yeah. So the the, if if there's an ABI API clone that somebody can layer in front of Elon bits or something like that.

So this as I went searching for solutions, and this may be where some developers can help. I found that a key send implementation for Alan bits, was actually created two years ago, now and has been reviewed as recently as a couple of weeks ago. But it needs I think, two official

This is a strange situation. I mean, just just just kind of stepping back and looking at this for a minute, is sort of an odd situation, because you have, at the same time that you have lightning being implemented on more and

as I as I read the legislation that passed the House, of course, the last to pass the Senate and get the sign off from the President. It really says like, oh, you can do all this, you know, if your pass through, you know, custodial, if it's the, you know, obviously noncustodial wallets, all of that is going to be okay. They really want to stimulate the development of this in the United States. It seems like

building a social, you're wasting your time building a social network that nobody wants. Nobody wants that. Just stop, stop, stop building. The nostre social network is silly. Nobody wants it. It's everybody has plenty of social network already in there live. Everybody who's on nostres. Also on Twitter, what do you need two things. It's just, nobody wants this crap. Just stop it. Because it's eating up. Everybody's developer cycles. And they're just spending all of this time

So that's where I'm thinking we might have to solve it. I mean, I mean, I know I'm feeling that way too. I mean, let's just let's fork LM bits and fix it and make it work.

Well see, you know, here's, here's what I would love. And I'm just going to say, and this is a little bit of dreaming, but I am but I want to say it out loud too, though, because it may not be totally out of the question. When, I mean, ideally to me, somebody, there would be a bigger player that can handle this sort of thing like strike. Forget it on the strike,

they are doing that. Okay? I'm just gonna say strikes not going to do it. I'm gonna tell you right now, how many we've pitched a lot of people in the past three and a half, four years. Some work, some don't. Jack Mahler's is not good. He has, he's now selling Bitcoin and eath and Mineiro. And he's going to go public, he's going to be the next coin base, he's, he's doing a reverse Coinbase Coinbase is finally delivering with lightning, he's gone from lightning is going to become a

it makes you think that the so I was having this thought this morning, actually, as, as Bitcoin develops into, into just sort of a standard piece of collateral, or a commodity, you know, standard commodity standard assets and or collateral with it just it just becomes a theme. And it's that's

And it's a business thing, Dave, I'm happy to do it, man. I mean, first of all, we've got almost to Bitcoin on our own node. So we can provide liquidity we have a lot of income, we get this as a mature node, or node has grown up. It's a mature node, we can put whatever we want. On top of it, we have great support from from voltage. You know, there's, there's, there's many ways we can tackle this. But there's,

if wait on the podcast or side or the listener side, podcaster side, because the listener side is where the real problem is.

It's both sides. The only onboarding path for podcasters is fountain

Yeah, but see, you can have you could, like the, here's the disconnect the podcaster side.

This is exactly the problem that the Costello's are struggling with because because they're trying to onboard musicians, by the way the people haven't figured out or the horrible, horrible, horrible, evil people that wave Lake, they figured it out. They're a host In company with wallets, right, that's what the hosting company is. That's what I said to and some of the back channels like, Hey, if you have a problem onboarding artists because you have to send them to fountain to

What the issue is, like, okay, so you got fountain, and you've got wave Lake. You got you got two places you can onboard a podcaster.

Yes. Well, before music for music.

Well, yeah, okay for music. Well, no, I even those wavelike also, does. They do podcast hosting podcast hosting? Yes. I

didn't know that.

I mean, but but even in that you could go and but there's lots of things. I mean, you could you could set up, you can set up, you know, you set up your own. Now I know it's not easy. I know. It's not easy to set up your own node or whatever. But, like, the podcaster side, it that's what that looks like. There are solutions. They may suck, but they are there are solutions, like setting up your own node. The listener side with the with the losing of Alby is just a

music Mama says in the boardroom. I've spoken to lb it's a general fear of the regulator's not worth the risk long term for them, they will stay in the game they are not going away, they just will be going to a node in the phone approach that you must set up a 100,000 sat channel to start them it's just not going to happen. That's not going to happen that people won't do it it's 50 bucks and people aren't going to say oh here's 50 bucks I'm now a podcaster I'm now musician right

and and I'll just be honest with you, Adam I mean it if you're talking about handling you know funds and all this kind of stuff to this degree then I don't see where you're going to have to have intermediaries right then I don't see what the difference is why you even use Bitcoin mining fee

Good point. Good point.

Because if we're gonna have to set up something where there's wallets and we're moving funds and all this kind of stuff around I mean, what what's the point I'm with you just set up you know just you know, do escrowed you know escrowed Fiat wallets and just be a money mover and that's the problem with with the lightning ecosystem right now is they they're out there all they're over there doing Tarot. And in in the in noster. And in the the promise, the original promise of

I'm just no no, no, I'm with you. And we that well. The

like, well, let's

let's separate out the issues for a second. First of all, because music mom was looking for music, mamas camp. So on the onboarding side for podcasters slash music. That type of solution needs to come from the hosting companies. And we can certainly help bootstrap it by providing liquidity to people because we have enough so we can help bootstrap it but ultimately, it's it's going to be specific lightning service

Like, okay, let's, if you go back to the beginning, and you look at why we did this to begin with, it was for two reasons. Because the progress programmable money allows you to send people small, micro small amounts of money A without the exhort without the crazy fees. So there was a it was a fee, saying, but the bigger issue was a deep platforming so that you have a direct relationship from the listener to the podcaster

she got platform from PayPal or from PayPal. Yeah.

So I mean, that was that was the point. If we have to start putting up intermediaries all over the place, then.

Right, but but a lightning service provider is not really an intermediary, because it's not a custodial thing. It's it's that self custody. It the lightning service provider just provides the piping. So it's no different than having a node voltage, unless you want to call that an intermediary.

So, I mean, yeah, see what you mean. That

I mean, that's exactly what Brees does. You don't even have to open a channel, you just need to get your first payment. Then you get your first payment, they open a channel plus 50,000 sets of whatever that first payment was. And the channels grow and shrink as necessary. But it does require some some development work.

It does. No does. It's gonna hit there too. Okay. requires work. And the Yeah, I mean, Rando 64 636. Is Brown of London says overhype. seems promising I mean, yeah, Brown of London's building stuff. Yeah, that may be waiting Europe. Yeah, he's building a replacement to Alby?

Is he doing a drop in replacement with with the API? I

don't know how to talk to him about it. I don't think he is. But he may be able to. Yeah,

but we just I mean, again, we just need more solutions. We need more solutions. Then, and this nostril wallet Connect. I've looked at it over and over and over again. I can't see making it work. And then there's people saying, well, why don't we just switch to ln URL? Well, we looked at that. We'd looked at that early on. That's just not going to fly?

Well, I don't see. You know, the we've talked about the problems with that in the past with the slowness and the difficulty on the edge node on the edge application. But I mean, regardless of that, I still don't see how that helps. Because you're you're Elon URL. I mean, you had the wallet on both. Yeah.

So the reason why it's so called helps, because that's what everybody's doing. All the development is moving towards ln URL and nostril wallet connect, and everyone's supporting it with you know, they're supporting themselves into a hole of doom. You

know, there again, I get that all that stuff works fine for the podcaster wallet. The listener wallet. Yeah, none of that helps.

Yeah, but there's a solution. There's a solution right there today it does keys and then it can work you can implement it. I don't believe there's any costs except for breeze takes, you know, a piece for the setup.

Let's have a look at it had to get back in there and look and look at the you know, it's it. It is a gut punch when you think some of these things are solved problems, and then they come back. And you're like, Well, I guess it wasn't a solved problem. Well, no,

but I also think it's, it's our people really in it. You know, our, I mean, I use podcast guru and I still have an lb Wallet. So that works great. Sometimes I switch the pod verse, sometimes they use a fountain. But if people aren't in it, then they won't support it. And then you know, then it's all gonna go to a couple of players. Right, which is fine. I know what I'll be promoting. Because I believe in it. I believe in it, Dave.

I believe on

that. On that note. On an up note, the band's in Bitcoin 24 Nashville is it will be held around the same time as the Bitcoin Conference. It'll be Let me see. Oh, it'd be at the they have a Embassy Suites who have generously donated space and service staff to phantom power media. And they're going to be hosting just a ton of bands. And they're going to set all of the all of the bands up with with wallet somehow. They may be fountain wallets, but the most of them up with something

Can I add that I would like to add something to this for and this is this is the Costello's they're putting this on okay let me add something to that part. Part of the part of this event needs to be a explanation of the problem that we just talked about are sort of an appeal an appeal I'm sorry an appeal to Bitcoin developers who see the vision for for music and

Yes we can. DAVE

Yes, we can. But we can't you know, we can't build everything. And the the ideal thing that would happen here is that Bitcoin some bitcoin. Competent developers get peeled away from noster the naast the master senselessness, yes, and begin to provide to build an actual solution that people really care about. That can actually solve a problem. Right? So I mean, like this is this is probably the fountain fountain also benefits from there being an an ecosystem of lightning,

And I would I would point to on one hand, for podcasters, I would point to wave lake as a successful formula. They take 10%. Yeah, no one seems to be complaining. Now, it's simple. I got it, I got my hosting, we got everything all in one go.

Because as we said before, your alternative is Spotify, where you get 0%. Right? So if you're a pod, if you're a musician, and you get 90%, that's 90% More than you had before.

Exactly. And you bet you're right. Everybody, we need much more, much more going on. And it has it just has to be simple. It has to be simple to onboard people. Because we're a long way away from people setting up nodes and liquidity. There's just no way. There's no way.

If you're an if you're a podcaster. And you see that you are a music or a musician. And you see that, that you can have some success within within this within that the podcasting world as let's say, as a musician, like Ainslie, it's not too big of a lift to set up, you know, to set up a node. It's not the end of the world. Yes, it's a little difficult, but it's not the end of the world. But if you're a bit if you're a listener in the app,

it's world ending. Yes, that's obviously yes. You're just even even going somewhere else to get a wallet and connect. It is a big lift. Yes, like, what am I doing now?

Yeah, exactly. Because you're having to, like, on the podcaster side, you just set up a node, open a channel, you're good to go. On the on the listener side? What do you you got to KYC? yourself, you got to do all this stuff. I mean, it is it's just, I'm not going to keep beating this horse. But the listener side is where all the problems are. And, and I will, I'm glad we discussed this, I will start looking in in brainstorming this for a potential solution. We'll we'll

No, no, I'm with you. I'm with you on that. Well, I, again, I'm just I've looked at the docs over and over again, of the breeze SDK, it seems like a very elegant solution. But it's not a drop in replacement. I don't think it's it's a huge lift. But there's work is required. But you know, it's something that is self self custody of your of your user. You know, they they own it, you don't have any responsibility over it. And you don't have to worry much about it not working.

I mean, it is, well, Nathan asked is the breeze SDK? Is that mobile? Only?

I believe so. I believe so. I think it is, is it? I think so. But block block has a has their own version. There's lots of versions out there, of this idea of the lightning service provider idea. And it has been my understanding that that's what voltage was going to be doing as well, I don't think there's far along and they were going to be doing it more for, you know, with air flow product or whatever. So you

The other problem with us doing it is I don't, I don't like I don't like the way it looks.

I mean, I'm with you, because it

makes it look like it's like all of this is just us. And I don't know, I just liked the separation of, of seeing that other people are doing stuff and making making money off these things. And it's not. Yeah, it's not us, you know? Yeah. Well, but again, I don't want to make money off of this, because it's not. I mean, if we have to, if we have to, we have to, but I don't, I don't want to do it. The way that makes me think

you're so right, because the whole reason we kept LM pay going because the index paid for it was Yeah, to make sure that, that we bootstrapped it and then everyone just went Oh, great. And then no one built anything.

Yes. As the summer says, it's it's it's way he says his wave Leakey for Pei Pei to offer wallets and the index and namespace Yeah, I

agree. I agree. I agree. I agree. I agree.

But, but we could we could build something as a reference, I guess, and then say, okay, we're not somebody here. Somebody else, please run this, I guess. And I don't know.

How to think about it. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you. Should we play a song now just to get our heads clear,

though? Yes. Is the world premiere this is it's not

just world premiere. It's planetary premiere, my friend, galactic galactic galactic premiere, but I really want everyone to get ready. I really would appreciate it. If you boosted this song. No matter what the amount is, we just want as many boosts as possible I'm actually going to close the channel so doesn't interrupt the track. So we can show these musicians who are making nothing on Spotify. That value for value has a place in their life

that I set that up right. Oh, you nailed it. Okay. So

here it is a people pleaser Ainsley Costello, this is the planetary premiere everybody

was watching.

You can break through it no more mistakes

going down. Back Relax

yo, nice that's what we call an ending All right, thank you all very very much.

I guess people were pleased and yeah, it was done. Yes. People were pleased.

And everybody boosted. I even boosted. Everybody boosted. Everybody boosted. Good job, everybody. Thank you. Thank you. That's Ainslie with the Nashville collaborators. Let's make them happy. If you're listening to this as the podcast, you can always stop, go back and boost again. It all works. It's magic that way. It's magic.

The track I like it. No, I

was great track. I'd it's it's Poppy, man.

It's good to hear a new Ainsley track.

Yes, it is indeed. Been well. My left ear kind of blew out on

Oh, crap. Yeah. It blew Well, is it smoking? No.

So like, it happens to you when you get to my age. Dave, you'll know what I'm talking about.

You get the high pitch squeal.

Thank God no, no, thank God. Although at night when I'm in bed, I do hear just like General was that from? No, it's age.

Old man old dude. Yeah, just

an old by the way, the bands and Bitcoin. They also have I put it in the show notes. They have a geyser fund fundraiser. I also boosted that before because they obviously it cost money. So they're looking for help on setting up that event. So that's all in the band.

Lighting. Yeah, yeah,

I did it. I actually use breeze. It worked beautifully. So we had a big win today or this week with the Pocket Casts.

Yeah, so that said they're gonna support transcript and pod roll.

Well, as I was listening to the pod news, weekly review, I actually heard the young woman what's her name? Because we pitched this to them two years ago. We pitched the match two years ago. And she referred to that as Oh, we knew about this two years ago, because I remember you and I did a zoom with Matt. And then we met Matt from automatic. They own their own pocket cast. And we pitched it. And I think I followed up with Matt. And then we got another talk to the

that I missed

the Hey, I heard it. I heard it. But this is this is uh, this is great. This is a great game changer for podcasting to have a an app of that size to validate that it's a real thing. It lives in all boats. Very, very happy. Very happy with that.

agreed and like they they are ones that could you know, the thing I want most from Pocket Casts specifically, is cross app comments over activity pub. Yes. I think they are positioned better than anybody else to make that happen. Yes. Because Because automatic

bots. Yeah, they're all in on activity pub, right

activity pub. Yeah, they bought that WordPress activity pub plugins, and they can integrate it directly. So I mean, they I think they have definitely the resources to go in and put activity pub into into a yes app like Pocket Casts.

And on that note, true fan Sam and, and Benjamin caster, PA, they're working on integrating their activity streams through activity pub, which is great.

You know, a clip. So a clever podcast app,

only the clever ones now.

Could could simply follow podcasts on the bridge. And inhale and just always be up to date. That's right. You also like you could have a podcast app that that built activity pub into its core. And then they follow it when you follow

I just did my headphone offices and on my end what I have no fear your checks baby's Dave's chicks.

These chickens are going nuts. I sent you a picture of them in the bucket. The so you would have you would have each each listener would be an actor. On your activity pub back end, in as when somebody follows a podcast it follows the bridge for that podcast. And then it just waits to be notified when there's a new episode. By the way, just push it all the way through.

Your chicks are cute. What's the bowl with the Roxanne? What's that all about?

Well, since they're there, they're so tiny that if they drown they've they'll drown in the bowl. Yeah. Rocks. And so they came to the bottom.

Have you already found one dead?

No, no. No dead ones. Yeah.

What's What's the vacuum hose there? What's the?

Yeah, that's one of the legs that the heaters like threaded rods with the low heat past. Oh, cool. Yeah. cubes. They're all up under that heat thing right now. I can't see any of them. They're just Yeah. Do

you mind? post this in the in the board meeting in the boardroom? Oh, no, go ahead. Yeah, that's cool. I want people to be able to see this.

But you could you could do that you could build your app with with an activity pub core. And then not have to really do any feed polling at all. Period. None. And then you're already set up with for cross out comments.

I love it. By love it only clever, clever, clever. Clever. Has. I have a have a namespace question that makes sure because if it doesn't do it, we need to figure out how to do it. And so I've been working on this on this product on this project to return local radio to Well, so what radio? This all kind of comes from a couple of things. One is the the cumulus media 2024 audio scope. Data that pod News reported on

miss that I didn't see. Well,

it basically says radios dead. It's not exactly what it says. But it does say podcast audiences have scale among 25 to 50 fours, which is very important because the concept that only young people listen to podcast is clearly not

Did you see the average Did you see that? I don't know if this is same report. I don't think it is that that listed the average Oh, oh yeah, that's yours. Yeah, MTV that everyday just. Yeah,

I know. It's not immediate. It's median age. Not average median age, but

average. The median age of an MSNBC viewer was like 70 to

70 Yeah, no, no. So it comes on so I believe that you can't save radio with towers. But what we lost with radio is local programming. Now why did local program so you know, a even New York I mean, I've I was in New York for many years. And the whether it's Elvis Duran on Z 100 Or if it's the Charlemagne to God, and he's on Z on camera what he's on. But you know, they're not New York local shows. anymore. They're syndicated nationally. Yeah, sure. In between songs. Yeah.

Episodes? Ah,

what I think I'm looking for, is what an OPML subscription list used to do. Okay, so if I wait,

let me let me let me get back Hang on, say, the remote, the remote item, doesn't it? The remote item allows either a feed or an episode to be

it does allow a feed. Right? Okay. So it does allow a feed but but

that's it's the context that matters that dictates what those things are. A play list is expecting items. Okay?

Let me explain what I want. Okay, then we'll figure out how we make it happen. Because it's important to me. So I'm just going down, it means I'm just going to be hammering on it. What I want is I want to be able to say I want to subscribe to Adam curry station. And I can go into a podcast app. I mean, I can look for Adam curry station. And it'll be something I can subscribe to. And that station may include

Okay, so let you let you have W, W K. RB. And you're going to be searching for that state. You know that local station in your podcast app? Yes. And then when you find that you're going to subscribe to it. Yes. And what you're gonna get is a list of the IS is the each episode is a program in their programming lineup. The last in reverse chronological correct with the rest recent to the oldest

correct. And then I'd also like to take a percentage of that as my radio station on the ministry

of I mean, off the cuff. That's just a feed. That's just a part. That's just a podcast feed.

Yes, it's a podcast. It's a dynamic podcast feed. Right?

Right. Yeah. Which is not a problem we did that with with 100% retro. Because 100% Retro underpinned retro was live. You know, we we were updating it every I think it was every, every time the programming every time the programming grid change to the next. Okay, yeah, broken. Okay, we updated the fee.

All right, but it's not a linear radio station. It's not a stream. It's not a linear radio station. It's literally so as a part of my syndication, I'm going to be promoting atom, Adams local station, that I'm going to put up billboards. I'm gonna say, go to Edit, go to your podcast app, your modern podcast app and subscribe to my station, because I have the best programs. And I'll probably have my podcast in there. But I'll also have five others that I think are and hopefully I have a

Okay. So, okay. So what you want to happen is use is I searched for W ADM, yes assigned, assigned it. And inside that Thiede is a list of is a are references to other fields.

Yes. And therefore, when I subscribe to it. So just like you described a podcast in 2.0, I mean, and you click on the podcast and two point o podcasts in your podcast list, there's a list of episodes. Now you're subscribing to K, Ada M. And then what you see in the episodes is the most recent episodes reverse chronological order of those feeds that I have referenced. Referenced

feeds Yes, yes. So it's following the trail for each feed and getting the most recent index sorting them all background. Yes.

And then for extra bonus points, I want to make my station que ADM that I produce, I want to make that sticky at the top. So my EPS, my most recent episode is always at the top.

Yeah, that's all just, this is all just programmatic feed generation stuff like so is there a reason why you're wanting it? Because, Okay, couple things. Is there a reason to do this app side rather than back inside and just surf the generated feed? No.

Back end side is perfect if I was just a little confused, because we had publisher feeds and, and and playlists I'm now now that we're talking about it's I love you so much, Dave Jones. Now that we're talking about it, it's just a back end generation. I think so. Perfect. That's even better. That's that's the best. Yay. I love it.

I love it. Like, there can be a feed like a publisher feed like yeah, this would be you could create a publisher feed or a playlist of feeds, but not in but here's

the trick. Now, here's the trick. The trick is, when you subscribe to K ADM, my feed, and you listen to one of the episodes, I want a piece of the split, and then I want the remote item of that episode to flow through. Does that make sense? So just just like podcasting, 2.0 we take 5% We play Ainsley. And the rest is all split however she determines.

Right? So you're okay, so you're wanting K ADM gets gets a percentage and the rest goes to the source? Yes, correct. I think I think the best. I think honestly, the best way to do that is just with back end fee, generate Perfect, perfect, you've solved my problem. The back end ingests the playlist and then assembles a feed in dynamically every so every few minutes or however long many times it takes it assembles a feed with the proper value recipients and all the

work. Yes. The app just does what it does. already. Yeah.

Perfect. Yeah. And then and then there's just centralist or there would just be didn't need to be some server that is doing all these this feed generation and either in the either hosting is centrally or farming it back out. Yes. These stations can host themselves. Yes,

yes. Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Hallelujah. Hallelujah. Yes.

All right mag.

I'm very happy about that. I am tasking myself with creating 1000 local stations in America.

Yeah, can Nathan's right Katie and would be a feed filled with items pointing to third party hosted enclosures, but includes a value station in cut. Yes. That's it. That's it. And which is basically exactly what we did for 100%. Retro.

Okay, that's it. I've got it. I'm done. I'm happy. I am a super happy man. Because we don't have to change anything.

The only thing the only thing that has to happen here are the the the local station the local stations. Need to figure out their playlists. Yes,

exactly. By the way, our Marcus Yes, he says sounds like a man who just got back from Caleb. Yep, you're right. You're right. That's exactly right. Exactly. What Oh, this is perfect. That is perfect.

That was me happy. That doesn't Yeah, that's that's that doesn't sound like a difficult project.

I did want to mention just because I love the guy so much this guy Fernando. He has made this pod mobile project product, I should say. Pod mobile things that pod mobile. Fernando Fernando is I What'd I say? They said, Fernando. Yeah. Pod mobile Missy. It said What's it that it said in this email? Now I've been I've been talking to him ever since for about a year now. It's audio sigma.com. And he has made a device. Which

Oh, that guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And I've been testing

and now he's moved it to with a DSP. So it's digital signal processing. And this is a device that you just plug in a mic, you plug it into your phone, or you plug it into your computer, and it just works. And the sound of this thing is Adam curry approved. He has because this Dean he calls it a D noiser. So you literally just Oh crack your mic, you don't talk the press the button until the back it's kind of a noise gate filter and all in one. And the preamps on this

and it's no is this is this road caster pro replaceable.

It depends on what you're doing. I think so yes. I mean, well that well road caster do Oh replaceable, I would say because it he has a single single mic version as well. Which is the mic hero I think it's called. Yes. But you know, so you'd have to have your if you do sound effects and stuff, you have to have a soundboard something that's on your computer, or on your phone. But even it's powered by USB. You don't even plug it in. I mean, I've sick. I've been I've tested

This really is the the what was that device that you Yes,

the Catchmaster probe. This is what I was trying to build back in the day. When I was coming out at at road caster prices. It was just too expensive and was complicated. But he solved a lot with this and it's it's just a dynamite device.

Me 289 For a single mic. That's pretty doable.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That is it. He's got a lot of smart things to views. If you scroll down, you see the back. Those are touch buttons. So it's capacity capacitive buttons. So it's not actually a physical button but you touch it and the adjust that. The LED turns different colors for your equalizer D noise SiC is the right word. It's it's an amazing device. And this guy he comes from I think Brazil came to

Does he know how to create Alby Wallace?

You don't know these Fernando.

Need to have a call with Fernando.

Make sure it's Fernando Now why am I think it is Francisco

it's for NASA but your bus route has that just want to mention Buzzsprout has that they came out with that podcast backup thing. I don't know what they didn't like what is that? Like you can point you can point their tool at a at your podcast and it'll back it up like backup all the audio and all that kind of stuff. Just for safekeeping that I just wanted to point out heard about that I'm just gonna mention there's a tool that we built a long time

I use episodes FM all the time. I unfortunately can't use it without an iTunes ID so I have which I think he's working on. But man do I love that I see a lot of uptake. Because I just send out the or even when it's The if it's a live show I always said that on episodes FM Ling and people like oh, this is great. I can just select my favorite app and then it remembers it or I can play it right there on the page is fantastic. What a smart smart idea.

Have you seen the podcast a paid link?

No,

let me see. So if you go to you know, just any podcast on podcast index.org There's a there's a follow there's like a little little thing next to the lightning icon where you can click on it it'll take you to podcast AP to that feed and you can you can follow it in Mastodon or whatever your

upline. Oh, cool.

Yeah, cuz we're gonna, you know, we're gonna put this onto the page itself, then I figure I mean, this Steven already built it. So I'm like, we'll just link out to that.

So he has a mystery. Oh, okay. So there's episodes dot F m link there as well. Yeah.

Nice. So you can click out to eight to either one of those, like the replacement for the Chiclets. Yeah, that keeps us from having to like, have all those stupid badges. Yes. Yes, Nathan. Nathan says he's up to 99,000 500 million monthly active users

already is. That's all from me. You're welcome. He's even used the ma us so boy.

Yeah, the I don't know. What do we

you listen to our hatless and we got to do our hate. Listen. Oh, you wanna do the hatless? Yes, of course. The hate listen was great this week. It's a thin line between love and hate people.

Yes, but where's my clips? Out there? Okay. I've did not have a copy of my own clips to look at. So yeah, the I was I've been reading this book showing the full room you open this up when anyone there this? I've been reading this book called. So do you know a guy named Matthew Crawford?

No. Can't say that. I

do. So he wrote a book called shockcraft as SoulCraft that

Yeah, yeah, we've talked about that. I think this is the guy who didn't he build a motorcycle or something or did something? Yeah, he's

a motorcycle mechanic. Yeah. So I know about him. Sure. Sort of motorcycle mechanic turns philosopher type. I think he was a journalist and stuff in the past. I'm not sure. I don't know all of his history. But shop craft is SoulCraft is his big work. But he also wrote a book called Why We drive which is a car book. He's a gearhead. So this is a car book that I was I was reading. I was reading him. And he was reading this book while we drive. And currently, in a couple of days

even had a walled garden at the most recent podcast conference, you literally couldn't come in.

Yeah, yeah. And so the so you now what you have is you have a because of Airbnb, you have a housing market where most of the houses are not most, but a humongous percentage of the houses sit empty all the time. 25%

of our housing supply in Fredericksburg, Texas, is air b&b.

And I guarantee you at any given time, there is a great majority of that

is empty, except on weekends. Yep. Yep, it's literally

empty all the time. And he makes the same. He makes the same statement about Uber. He said, most of these Ubers sit empty all the time. That's how they that's how they maintain the illusion of tap a button and have a car show up. Yeah. Is because most of the time they're empty. They're just sitting doing nothing. It's created this huge bloat and the same thing is happening in AI.

My favorite topic, yes,

it same thing is happening with AI and the Bloom is starting to come off the rows on the whole thing when you have the hatless and on the media. Looking at it, which and so a couple of things he what what got me is I had read this thing in in while we drive about the about this futurism. futurism is a genre of mythmaking that seeks to generate a feeling of inevitability around a desired outcome. And then on the media talks, there it is about inevitability. All this

while technology companies push the public along a path that they and members of the press say is inevitable. We know that generative AI that chat GPT is the image generators, things like that are much more computationally intensive than the types of tools that we were using

The Messiah has spoken

Yeah, the these people are insane. Yes. They are literally they are insane. He's what he's saying is we're going to need so much Jeep like forget Airbnb. Forget the way the wasted space of Airbnb forget the wasted gas and time of Uber. This is going to be so much wasted GPU compute, that we're going to need to RIT to re engineer the world's energy systems to be able to handle the massive the massive quantities of power needed for Google to tell you that you need to put

I just stop you? Yeah, just looking at Sam Altman, just if you remove yourself from a moment from the technology realm, he's acting insane. He's acting like an insane person. Just talk to him. Look at him. He acts like he's nuts.

He's got dead eyes. Yes, yes. So the this emergent properties, idea that it's awesome. What they did here because they went back and checked on some of these. Some of these things that we've been told. And remember, this is all about the tech industry is all about is futurism. It's all

them. Oh, man, I had it so perfectly timed. Oh, yeah, sorry,

one of the biggest problems, there was not just what Sundar Pichai was saying, but that the hosts of the program, who were, you know, interviewing him and conducting this, we're not really pushing back on any of these narratives that he was putting out there of the AI issues we talked about. The most mysterious is called emergent property Scott Pelley of 60 minutes, some AI systems are teaching themselves skills that they weren't

Good show title though. emergent properties. I like that.

The other so that, you know, that was the one that we that we heard from the 60 Minutes interview, they sort of propelled this, there's, you know, it's like there's always this, there's always this media propellant. Like with COVID. It was a poster home on Rogen. That lit the fire of COVID. That that 60 minutes thing, I think, was a flashpoint that lit the fire of MLMs. But that, you know, so we everybody knows about that one, but the the other one you hear all the time is it passed the

Here's another exaggeration that made its way into a TV news piece. The latest version chat GPT. Four can even pass the bar exam with a score in the top 10%. And it can do it all in just seconds chat GPT four scored in the 90th percentile on the bar exam. Was that legit? Yeah, so that claim was debunked recently, Julia Angwin is the founder of proof news. She recently wrote an op ed for the New York Times titled press pause on the Silicon Valley hype machine.

This is if I can just if I can interrupt your flow for a second. This is part of the reason why I believe the twit network is dying once phones came out, although what happened before that for many, many years, and this is something I learned from Dave Winer, because he always complained about this, and Dave's good at complaining the

That, you know, I'll put this back to on on Apple as access journalism has always been a problem to like put in, especially in politics. Yeah. But in the in the tech world, ag access journalism was, I think it was refined into an art form by Apple and Steve Jobs specifically, I agree with every Yeah, everybody wanted to interview him, everybody wanted

seeing so many fun, we got

to we've got to work on our transitions day, if I'm not sure if I'm jumping the gun on Yeah,

yeah, I'm getting carried away. And I'm just like running off at the mouth.

You're literally giving me the what I think is the cue and I'm like, Okay, hit it. Let me run again.

Okay. All right. And so that brings us back to another thing they talked about in this piece, which is the tech founder interview. Today,

we've seen so many fawning conversations with tech leaders who are at the forefront of artificial intelligence. Yeah, absolutely. One of the ones that really stands out, of course, is an interview that Sundar Pichai, the CEO of Google did with 60 minutes back in April of 2023. And in this interview, Sundar was talking about how these AIs were a black box, and we don't know what goes on in there. Let me put it this way. I don't think we fully understand how a human mind works either.

By the way, know that on the transition, that was great, that was

Z. So this goes back to remember principle number one is to have tech now of the tech Hype Machine is that these people are insane. They smoke crack, actually,

they're micro dosing the ketamine,

ketamine the I love I love the reason I put this in here is because I love what Sundar Pichai the way the thing he said, I think it's easy to escape if you're not listening close and thinking about what he said. He said, We don't understand fully the way the human mind works either. There is a real equivocation there between LLS limbs in the human

mind, this is quite a bit of space in between the two can we

just say that if you think if you even attempt to equivocate on those two things you're you're literally smoking crack Yeah, you are insane. Yeah. But the this one the what I love the best part of the whole the whole on the media which we sort of bring it brings it back around to the to the to his hate listen core. Is this awesome groundbreaking idea.

Journalists shouldn't believe just a video that claims to show something how running without actually taking a minute to even carefully watch the video or ask to have access to the tool themselves. Oh,

it's no, it's the demo. It's the demo. The demo. Yeah. Yeah. It's, you know, the sad thing is that governments are all over this. And I know why. Because the government so like, hey, wait a minute, if we can control what's in these MLMs, we can control the output and we can have, or what goes into these MLMs or we can control the companies through legislation, they will be able to control the masses who have been taught by the access journalist that this is real.

My favorite one is the dog in a hot car. Did you see that? What's that? Is it okay to leave in a dog in a hot car? And the answer was, yes, it's perfectly fine to leave a dog in a hot car. And it kept going. And it said there's even a Beatles song called dog in a car and they started giving lyrics. I love that's great. I love it. Because when you it, it takes away the mystery of all this. When you can follow the the answer it gives and see the Reddit post that it pulled from.

this whole thing is circular. Because the news business who is always looking for a daddy, they've been ever since the internet, the news business has been dying because they mistakenly thought that people would pay for news. And it was always been a loss leader. Back in the days of Cronkite and CBS and the Tiffany network. It was literally a loss leader. The newspapers found out that oh wait a minute, people

yeah, it's like something like 5% of the index by itself.

Yes, yes. Yes, yes, yes. Oh,

it's it once this but when this bubble pops, it's going to be bad.

So I have a clip that I played I think we could go on no agenda is from a New York University professor who was on CNBC and I love CNBC because they kind of have to report some truth because it is financial. And a lot of it is this numbers you know this real income and you know, once you get past the EBIT, da and all that, all that kind of fuzzy numbers which actual market participants understand very well,

this Becky on Squawk Box.

This is the result of this guy kind of tells it as it is.

You've consistently offered gut checks about hallucinations, lack of progress, the way in which this is not the pipe dream that some envision. Have any of the recent product introductions changed your mind? No, I mean, we're still basically working with With the same technology, it's still designed in the same way. It takes a lot of statistics from a lot of words and tries to predict what happens next. And as soon as these things come out, people

back 50 billion and 3 billion out. Wow, that's

not that's not sustainable. Unless it's a war.

This is fine. Yeah, the thing is, this all stems from really a math sex cult called Effective Altruism. Oh,

yeah. The the, that that, that Australian chick that sounds like she's from America. Yeah. She's she's in that too. Yeah.

This is they were all in they thought they could solve the world's problems through math. And but it's really a sex cult. And that's what that's what look at Sam Altman.

And and what's his name of SPF?

It's same also Effective Altruism, the another sex cult, with a nicer apartment.

Cisco was better dig? Yeah, it's

much better digs. Exactly. Exactly.

This, you know, bring it back around to to podcasting for a second spot. This is what I just get echoing when I was reading Brian Bartlett, his piece on Spotify, which I which I think is a good piece I think everybody should read it is from if you're thinking about podcasting from

And the end, the only way RSS works is if it works everywhere. Yeah. And that's, you know, wherever you get your podcast is one of the most powerful statements and media ever created, ever created. Then you can't just have it work on one in one place. It just it's that's what we've learned is 20 years of experience here. It has to work everywhere.

Yeah, and that's and that's what we talked about the very beginning of the show. I mean, if if this stuff, if we can't fix the lightning thing, if it doesn't work everywhere, then it doesn't work. That's right. It's got to work everywhere.

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Okay, so that's an app specific way of parsing?

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Maybe there's maybe we need an attribute in there that will toggle that. Yeah, I

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Well, I think we were jam packed with a board meeting. Let's build some wallets. Everybody. Yes, let's come up with some stuff that we'll be looking at when we see if we can offer some some ideas and solutions. And if you have them, let us know if there's anything out there, so we can keep this going. I think it's a good idea. It does work. It does work. You see it right here, right here on this program.

I'll send that way late. Just send me an email saying there's a duplicate feed for Ainsley that

may the I may have done that. Did you? Okay, I might have but the question is, which one do we delete?

He's shows me the one to delete. I'll take care of it. But

will that screw up the boost that we've done here on the show?

No, no, I don't think so. Well screw up

my value time split that I'm going to put in after the fact. No, no, no, because it points to the feed right? Yeah. Okay. All right. You'll take care of it. Again. Yeah, I think it was my fault because I needed to grab the track with the value time split stuff. And it wasn't in there yet. And I didn't know if they were going to put it in on time. So I think I dropped it. I dropped it. I'm sorry. Both of these.

They both did. They have the same good so they should okay,

I duped it. I'm sorry. I created a dupe I try not to do the power of the good. Let's have a great weekend Brother Dave. And thank you everybody in the boardroom. We'll be back next week Friday podcast 2.0.

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