
podcasting 2.0 for May 17 2024, episode 180 serial churn. Hello, everybody. It's Friday once again, time for the official, the one and only board meaning of podcasting. 10.0. Everybody, everything it all gets discussed right here. That's right. We don't talk behind your back. We are the only boardroom that doesn't have a booth at a podcast conference. If you want to know what's happened in podcasting, it's all
here. I'm Adam curry in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the man who brings his programmatic Ceman to your vast say a lot of my friend on the other end, the one and only Mr. De Jones.

says I have to tell you to rip it twice. Does that mean I rip you a new one? Do

you really mean we're in quite the mood today, Dave? Oh, yeah, we're in a good mood. So we started off before we started the show, which by the way, we're live and lit every single Friday afternoon. You can listen to us live and a modern podcast app. podcast apps.com. Anyway, we're like I got a rant. I gotta read I got a rant. But I got something to say I ran out because Dave was late. He was late. And before we even start that I want to say there will be no board meeting next
week. I will not be in town and will not be available to record. Warren I'm so sorry. Yes, I'm going to Nashville.

Oh, well that's not bad. For the

for the K love the K love awards.

Oh, yeah, this is yes. This is the is the big the big God the God music extravaganza.

Big God music extravaganza again Alright, so what why were you late? What's your Ran brother? What's going on? What's happening? How can I help?

I've spoken many times in the past about the I'm sorry, I'm trying to put down my salami and cheese.

I wondered what I smelled. But now I know. Cheese

is my bread breath. Yeah, so I've spoken many times in the past about the about my my hatred of USB C docking stations.

Yeah, so yes, I can. Yes. And I think I've said don't be a hater. But you have not taken this advice clearly.

Okay, so I want to

only read up the hatred is I want to re up the hatred now.

Yes. So this is this is a after a couple of hours of of troubleshooting. The USBC dock. We come up with this lovely support bulletin from Lenovo. Oh,

and this was a at the day job. This was a real support ticket. uptaking

Yeah. Oh, yeah. And this, these these things are just, they're just a nightmare. Everybody you talk to these things have a limited lifespan. They're crap. Ever since they went from old docking stations you had they had a custom connector every every, every big one. Really. It was like it was like

70 penises because they knew scuzzy. scuzzy connector scuzzy.

Yeah. Frozen guard, you know, frozen garden hose type, right? Yes. Goes all proprietary. Everybody had their own dealio Yeah, but you know what they were working every single time worked. Yeah, every time USBC I have a document that is like 20 pages. That shows how all of the routing internally happens. Because what you see on the end of like when you plug in a USB C docking station, what you see on the on the end is
just a USBC connector, right? But there is so much going on inside of that thing.

And ask the question, is this not essentially like a USB dongle that has no expansion ports? Isn't that kind of what this is? This

is no that's it and this is the problem. USB C docking stations modern USB C docking stations are since our Thunderbolt. Oh, they are thunder either Thunderbolt three or Thunderbolt four Oh, system boards. So these docking stations are a synth are like they have their firmware in them. They run they run software they are they are almost like a small computer unto themselves. Oh, it's

like my LED lights. Yes. Yeah. It also buzzes on your microphone.

So there are things that can happen with with these. Where, where nothing you do on the computer For itself actually, we'll fix it. You have to reboot the doc because the doc is acting, it's acting.

Acting Up. Yeah. Yes.

So the the what you see at the end of the is the USBC cord that plugs into your computer. But what's happening on the inside of that thing is your route you're actually routing, your routing, USB A USB, excuse me USB one, two and three, right, HDMI, HDMI DisplayPort potentially, if it's supported VGA

video s video tell me RGB RGB s video audio

networks, gold and Ethernet Ethernet and and and Thunderbolt potentially three and four Thunderbolt

Can you plug in your your Nintendo data glove?

In the Lord little robot, Nintendo robot big. So you're routing all of this stuff over over, you know, the small connections, number of pins. The amount of things that can go wrong with this are limitless. The so they usually always show up with video first. So like in a in a financial services environment. Three monitors is like standard standard standard. Yeah, standard minimum some sometimes four, sometimes five. You see big like trading houses and stuff they may have 10 Yeah,
on a single machine. So the ability to do more than two monitors three four monitors is just standard USBC based docking stations Thunderbolt docking stations, I struggle with this so bad. Yeah, they they just can't handle it. You because there's you have different flavors of DisplayPort over USBC you have passive and active in all of these the end depending on which configurations if you plug it in, if you have one HDMI, one display port and one USB C to display port that may
trigger them to one of them to go into a different mode. It's mind boggling, but then I run across this wonderful support document. After troubleshooting for a couple of hours. Lenovo critical Intel Thunderbolt software and firmware updates symptom sim systems may experience any of the following symptoms you're ready. Yes, USB C port not working Intel Thunderbolt controller not visible in the OS device manager USB C or Thunderbolt docking station is not visible or having
connectivity problems. HDMI output not available system battery not charging with the USB C power adapter connected to the USB C port. Until Thunderbolt pop up error message Intel Thunderbolt Safe Mode error message BIOS Thunderbolt communication error or hang during post that and here's the kit here's the kicker, the white is more these symptoms may occur after six to 12 months of usage. What

are there moving parts that were or what was happening?

Hey, you tell me what does that even mean? That sounds

like it's crazy. That sounds like well you know that that monitor may have a driver update or something else may change sounds like they're building in some wiggle room for things changing external to the device.

What could possibly be inside of these things that would that would begin to trigger problems 12 months in the future.

Oh, I know that Venezuelan immigrants

each Thunderbolt doc has a has a Venezuelan inside of it, I

guess. Wow. Okay, I I feel your pain brother. I feel your pain. Yeah.

Now multiply this across hundreds of users in this you know, so it's

primarily but it's primarily the multi monitor users that are experiencing issues.

What happens is the they seem to work fine. This is like being going to industry conferences and this kind of thing that this has turned into the USBC dock podcast. But going to like industry conferences and talking to my peers. This is universal. It's not it's not anything with one specific vendor. Like evidently the Dell USB the Thunderbolt docks are so bad that like you just go ahead and budgets 12 to 18 months and they're gonna die. Like you just build that in they they they
swap them out like crazy. So this is my Can we please go back to the old days standard

yuck and you know that's not going to happen and the fact that it's Thunderbolt is kind of trippy is not what I thought that wasn't Apple only Dang, but I guess it's the standard. And

these dogs the old school dogs used to cost $200 Oh, these these Thunderbolt four dogs? They're $400.03 foot a three foot Thunderbolt four cable is $75 Wow,

what a gyp

it's outrageous and we're going to we're going to so tell me we're gonna have driving cars we can't we can't even get three monitors to work over USB see

self driving cars? Yes.

Well self driving cars

Well that brings me to your overview of the most recent presentation by Google at their i o event. To explain the future of the company. Yeah,
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AI toolkit. Generative, generative, generative ai, ai ai ai, there it is. Now you know what they're up to?

Like the one guy that didn't generate the AI? Is that a pretend an Indian or pretending?

No, that's Oh, yes. I heard that part of the podcast as well. The pretending No, no, that's a real a real Indian. Yeah, but before that, I need my randlett All right, go. This morning at eight o'clock. My phone goes like literally 759 I'm about to take the dog out for a walk. I'm gonna NSC. It's a 512 number. So it's an Austin number. I'm like, no, no, you're too early. So I just send it to voicemail. Come back in, actually have a call scheduled at nine and say, oh, yeah, let
me check this voicemail. voicemail from Deputy Sheriff Jack Barnes Travis County concerning an urgent legal matter calling back at this number. And I'll be waiting for your call.

Oh, no.

I'm like, Okay, I call back I get him on the phone. Now, it's clearly Sheriff's Office, just from the the sound of it. And that's legit. And then well, I mean, I'm looking at a 512 number then as a whole, I'm gonna put you on with my lieutenant. So Lieutenant be Neil comes on badge number 03156. There are two there's a warrant out for my arrest, because I have failed to appear as a grand jury expert
witness. And I apparently signed on April 15. I signed the subpoena that came to my door, and he has the numbers and everything. And, and he says, you know, basically you can be arrested? Yeah. Because you know, there's a warrant out because you have ignored the subpoena. And you've ignored the you're in contempt of court. And, and then a sudden, you know, we get disconnected. So he calls back. And then he continues. And they said now, so there's two ways you can handle
this. There's the criminal procedure or the civil procedure. I mean, this goes on, I'm like, holy crap. And my heart is pounding. I'm like, what? There's

the you can there's an easy way and a hard way we can do this is what he's Yes,

exactly. And it's like, I'm like, well, I should probably call my lawyer. No, no, we have a maintain contact order, which means we have to stay in contact with you as you drive down to the sheriff's office. So we can process this. And I'm likely, and so this is going on now. 10 minutes. I'm like, holy moly. I'm racking my brain. I can't figure this out.
And then he says, so what we need you to do is you need to go to this kiosk, and then you're going to pay a bond and then you'll have a bar code and then you bring that data say Oh, hold on a second. You got me. You got me. I said I'm calling my lawyer. No, you can't have Oh, okay. It was a scam. 15 minutes, they had police radio in the background. And it was sophisticated. They had my address my name, of course, my phone number. It was sophisticated. Wow. I'm not
wanting to fall for something. But along the way, there are a couple of things that started to bother me a little bit, but I was just so blown. I mean, this actually, I've been asked to be a possible character witness for a friend in Dallas next week. was like some bullcrap thing, but you know, so I've actually I've had special agent show up at my door from the inn. Inspector General's office and I said, I'm not talking to you go away, you know, because, you know, they're just harassing. So
that was kind of the back of my mind. I'm like, holy crap, what are they doing to me? Is this a deep state? Finally, finally they got me. They found Oh, wait, I have that somewhere. Where is that?

Like, so that were they using? Were they using generated voices or something? Or no,

no, no, no, no, it was it was actual it was actual let me see is this it there you go.

I mean, that was for real legit like that. So so this were these were people that had like a believable Texas very

believable, very believable. The they had the police radio in the background. It was totally I was in it. I was like, oh, man, I'm screwed.

Up. You just knew that you were gonna have to go buy $5,000 of iTunes gift card when

it was when it was when you have to go to a kiosk. Wait a minute, what is the US business? No, no, no, no, no. I'm calling my lawyer. No, you can't. You. You have to what was it? You must comply. I'm like, I comply this. But, but hey, 12 to 15 minutes. They really have me Dave. They really really have me. That's kind of scary. It's social engineering. You know, it's, it was well done. They had a script and everything. This is

so I was in on a security. Like a webinar. Not too long a webinar. Yes. Yes. It was great. And this guy's good. He does. He's a local guy. Gary Warners has named me from UAB, a University of Alabama in Birmingham. And he's, he's really good. He's been in the in the cybersecurity game forever. And wait, before it was even a thing really. And he he made a statement in this last, like the annual update from last I think
it was in December. And he said, If you know he said it, is it if you know, in your family or out or friends with or neighbors with anybody who's older. I mean, I mean, like, like any anybody who's let's just say, careful, be careful, careful, careful. Identify generation, baby. They said baby boomer or older. You're not baby your genetics.

You know, there's a big disagreement about this. I believe I am Gen X 1964. September. There are some places that say you're a boomer Tina keep because she's definitely Boomer because she's 1962. And I just remind her I was the face of Generation X. You were

Yeah, I'm deaf. I'm definitely Gen X. You're You're I think you're Gen X.

Well, I know. I'm Gen X, but there's disagreement from some borderline boomers.

Are they on the council? Are they on the Gen X? Boomer council that my wife apparently Yes. You're one of us. Don't try to deny. So but he said, you know, if you if you know anybody whose baby boomer or older tell them about these things, because they are a target right now. Billions of dollars is being milked fro

Yes. Oh, older people. I've actually helped some people here. Who was going to be Oh, yeah, no, it took them to the bank and everything like Stop, stop, stop this payment. Stop this stop that, you know, ah, sad. And we've we've had, we've had we got a special thing coming up in church for these people. Oh, that's good. Because then the main thing is, in the, you know, text messages, they're the you know, that's the big, that's the big catch all so I got a text message. So that must
be official. And what what these guys got me with was the 512 area code that was sophisticated.

And in the end, the local accent and and, and, and

the police radio in the background. That was good. And it was loud. You know, like there was a dispatcher. That was quite

well, let's see this. This is in 2023 total losses reported by c three to those over the age of 62. Up to $3.4 billion.

Dude, it's a bigger industry than podcasting.

We're the wrong money with these guys.

We're in the wrong business.

Yeah, we should do how you it's it says tickets is value for value. You give me money and you don't go to jail.

You know, just kind of on that, on that tip. But where everything's going, the streamers are, are there. It's all going down. It's happening in real time right before our eyes. We you know, so first of all the recognition that no one is watching television anymore. I mean, of course there's the people watching obviously obviously some shows they'll have millions of people watching, but not 20 million.

Quick Adam, name me one television show that's on broadcast television right now.

Now the only thing I would guess is NCSI but I don't even know what the which one Special Victims Unit I couldn't know I can't name anything

at all six people in the last week that question not one of them that name one you

know, this one, they say how do you go bankrupt really slow and then it goes fast. All of a sudden this I think we're in the going fast acceleration phase. And what's happening now is the streaming companies who of course now you know, now we got to show profitability. It's not to say that Netflix isn't successful. Netflix, arguably the earliest, the quickest to the game. And they've pulled back on a lot of their a lot of the money they were putting into production.
And of course everyone's now starting with ads. Everybody has an ad. So we've taken advertising base television off of cable primarily. And remember, cable was brilliant, because you got paid per household. So if you just had a channel on cable, this would Al Gore he bought he bought and sold the whatever I forget, it became AlJazeera I think I don't know. Really? Yeah, if you are in a million households, you get a million bucks a month. That's just because it minimum $1 ESPN,
which is still I think required. You're required to take ESPN by most cable companies, they get $7 per subscriber per month off of that cable bill goes to ESPN or slash Disney. So now the now in so we unbundled everything basically pulled it all apart. We got Disney over here. And we got Paramount over here. And we've got Hulu, which was kind of a sad bundling of television shows. And now, well, I'm going to go to the ditzes at Yahoo Finance. two clips. The first the first one. The first one
shows you kind of the lay of the land. The second one I think is actually the meat of what's happening here.
Rebbes Lake Alliance has emerged in the intensifying streaming wars, Disney and Warner Brothers discovery are teaming up to release a brand new streaming bundle later this year. So what does this new partnership mean for the streaming landscape moving forward? We're looking at how to navigate the big picture with the Yahoo Finance playbook. And we're joined by Ken Leon, Research Director of equity research at CFRA and Jamie lovingly, third bridge sector
analysts shaping them start with you. You're here with us in studio, I really

want to slap her but
man, I just keep getting like so amused by this discussion, because it's like this new innovation bundling, which is cable. No,

it's not cable because these bundles don't get paid per channel. That's not true finance lady PayPal
did right. But do you think that this is the way forward? And is this going to benefit the various parties who are doing it? It definitely is interesting development. And we're seeing this increasingly in this space. One thing we've been hearing a third bridge from the experts we speak with just the fact that what streamers are looking for ways to not only drive growth,
but also manage churn is a huge issue. Serial Turner's are one of the things which all these platforms have to deal with his people, either at the end of their show, they decided to switch to a new platform at the end of a sports season, they
decide to just cut off that service. By having these bundles, it's a new way that they can both drive longer term customer value, but also showcasing different types of content, you know, with the matchup of a Hulu and a max and it Disney plus, it really covers all the bases of genres and can appeal to a lot of different audiences.

Okay, so a lot of blahdy blahdy blah, but the whole point is, they're churning cereal churn, which is great show title, actually, cereal churn, because people are doing exactly what we've heard everybody say, Yeah, I just want to see this one show. And then I'll cancel the minute I sign up and I pay my What is it now? Is it 17 $18, which is still pretty high, but I'll pay that and then if there's something else going on, I'll catch it later. Now the second guy kind of lays out the
the real bones of this. I
think when you look at the bigger picture, it's really a lot of these media companies trying to figure out how can they be profitable. So the first step was reducing programming and content spending. The second was de risking, because they have no control really, of the customer. Unlike wireless, or even cable TV decades ago, you had one or two year contracts, so churn is very high, they will never release that. And also, if you look at where Entertainment has moved to events to live
sports. So none of these management's will say that they can get to a 20% operating margin on this business, nor a 50% EBIT, margin like wireless, so it's not a great business and I think they're all de risking, they're reducing capital, and they're gonna say, Gee, Netflix is a winner, large technology companies can play here, what can we do for two things, one, tried to grow subscribers and to try to get advertising revenue. There

it is. So basically, we're going to see consolidation Paramount is now being ripped apart, the all the parts are going to be the actually the parts are worth more than the than the whole. And the sum of the parts individually, it's going to be ripped apart is going to be you know, typical
leveraged buyout. So you know, the strip all the assets, get rid of Get out, get rid of all the people with lots of firings ahead, and there will be some offerings, but it's all going advertiser base, the big draw of Netflix and all these other streamers was hey, man, I just pay a fee and I don't have to deal with ads. It's all going to come back. It's all gonna get crappier. And yes, you will have still have some big hit shows,
just like in the music business we have. We still have a Taylor Swift and a Beyonce and there's an even there, I'm starting to see some actual revenue issues. For Podcasting, value for value is truly the only way to build up your community. I don't care if it's 100 people that it is the only way forward at this point. And the advertise and certainly in podcasting, no, it's just No, it's not working anymore. Except for per inquiry.
I still like codes. If you get paid on a code bond, Gino, I still think that works with what they what we call a post read I think that's still works. And you're nothing like a little boost. Which was well that's that's a low baller. That's a 7772 Crayon. Yeah. That's correct. Yes, thank you. Thank you, I'm gonna have to turn that one off. So you guys are abusing it. You should only be you should only be using that just to accentuate something with the harp. When you light up the harp.

I see. I see Eric pap fixing bugs. So. Yes. And, you know, you saw I didn't fully understand what Spotify did with that price floor change on

their bundling.

No, they said they said their Spotify Audience Network span

lowered the worst name ever. As horrible. Really? Did you just say spam what? We're just calling it spam. From now on. We're just calling it spam. The

marketing jargon here was was virtually impenetrable. But I think I figured it out. They said that when it's all got to do with programmatic delivery, like you know, stitching in the ad as you as you listen. And evidently they call it a waterfall.

Yeah, where you're at the bottom drowning.

It's a waterfall where your foots in the drain. Yeah. So they have there's like three layers to this thing. There's direct sale, or direct buy and then there's span the span Spotify Audience Network, and then there's like programmatic delivery I guess that's like we don't have anything else let's deliver a Viagra ad or something needed
bottom of the barrel. Yeah, but but the spec they said they lowered the price floor on the span part and I think what that means is that the Spotify Audience Network will take we'll get more of the of the inventory delivery.

Yeah, the the remnant the low level fruit the not even fruit is dried up with dried up. It's like raisins,

in a way is raisins. Yeah, it'll win it'll win the bid more often. So things are pulling from span more. And like this. You know, we aren't we we already have seen this subscription stuff. That's, that's the only way to make these things work. The advertising alone can't sustain it. It's not everywhere you look it's always which You know

not gonna last long kids use it sparingly.

But the I think we got our we ended up with a wrong idea of the way that the monetization of all of this stuff worked. Because we put your Facebook and Google, which dominated advertising in May, obviously makes make billions and billions of dollars. And so I think it left us with this idea that advertising is, is always in everywhere going to be a winning strategy for for, you know, for revenue. But

it's not, but it's not no, it

only it's only a winning strategy if you are essentially a monopoly in a business which Google is and Facebook is. Facebook is, is a is a virtual I hate this. I hate the term virtual monopoly. Yes, but they but you I think you understand my meaning and the players within the social media world. Facebook is as close to a monopoly as you're gonna get a Twitter's a, that's a joke. I mean, it's an also ran. And it Facebook, Facebook is the 900 pound gorilla. Nobody even comes close to second.

That's because they they're not really in brand advertising there. They're like the classifieds. You know, it's like, and that's starting to wane as well be you want, you want some spam, you want some bots, go and put an ad on Facebook. I mean, that's podcasting

is the anti monopoly. Ooh,

like that is showing that. You

know what I mean? They're there. It's the podcasting is by definition, anti monopoly because it is so diverse. Nobody will ever dominate. In this in this arena. Even people who have large audiences, there still only one show in a person's podcast app. That person also has, if a person listens to doesn't matter if a person listens to three hours of Joe Rogan a week. That person also has 17 Other subscriptions. Yeah. And it's net, it is absolutely the anti
monopoly. And so there's no way that advertising is going to ever become the main player that supports podcasting. It's just not. I mean, I mean, in order to provide everybody with like, livelihoods is not happening.

Well, in addition, in addition to that, we went horribly wrong many, many years ago in podcasting, I would like to try and explain and this has come up for me recently, as I am realizing that the pitch podcasting is making is pretty much centered around a couple things right now monetization growing your show video. That's pretty much the pitch. And when we first started, okay, so when we first started podcasting,
what was so common, I don't use this word easily. What was so awesome was you were hearing people who weren't professional broadcasters, they didn't have a professional delivery. Unfortunately, it was very hard to even get a semi professional
sound. And so somewhere along the line because and I tried it was 10 years ago, I tried to get the Kastmaster probe out there and like we need to get people back into just sitting down recording and then putting that out and because we didn't have real time processing basically we had musician gear you know that we were that we had repurposed broadcast gear was
out of control expensive. I mean, the amount of rigs I have built over the years with DB X compressor limiters with literal racks with the what I have done processing units 19 inch boards everything because that was just too much for people to figure out and and the sound quality was so poor without some of the basics we resulted to this format where you record then you or preferably you hire someone who is then going to process that check you chop out all the arms and the eyes and tighten up
spaces of now you Phil Spector with a wall of sound brighter eyes, my big baggy as boys and we became and we became something that is just boring like radio, you know, just we've kind of reached we kind of recreate He did that. And we never really got that. In fact, Dave Winer, I think he said, This might have been an interview he did. I'm thinking James Cridland had this somewhere. Weiner was concerned.
And it's a valid concern. He was concerned about me being kind of the face of podcasting, because and I think there's something to this, because people would hear me and think, Well, I can never be that professional. Whereas the idea that you can just be someone who just records a podcast about your the topic, that's your passion, about your community of interest about your local community, about your school, your church, your your, your soccer club, whatever it is. And that that will be Oh,
that's not a good podcast. And I think we actually that happened to us, we got to that point where, well, that's not a good plug. And now it's even taking it one step further. If you don't have headphones on with mics, and it doesn't say rode on the boom, and you don't have video, you're not a podcast. Yeah. And along with that comes a need because we have serial
churn, we have serial churn in the hosting business. And as I was listening, I've only listened to a little bit of pod news weekly review, but as I was listening about you know, the the never ending conversation of purse first party data, bliss and time statistics, etc. A James and Sam both made valid points that James says, Look, stats are very important because that's kind of the only thing that the new podcasts are has that validates what they're doing is okay, I see a download
from from Lithuania. And I'm sure it's Dolby Das, his mom who sit in there. And you know, I won't go into downloads. You know, all these weird kind of stats. Interestingly, now that James has seen that, that his, the Buzzsprout, what does that thing called?

Fan Mail fan mail, that

if he puts that if he incorporates that into a show, all of Jacksonville, Florida will send him fan mail, which is of course what Buzzsprout is located. But the idea that comments will be one way totally valid. And then Sam
pipes him, but it was kind of poo pooed a little bit. But what I have seen when you put someone on value for value, and they see Satoshis coming in the mail one person listening is exciting because you every minute you see five SATs go by I just had this experience, a dear old friend of mine, Vic Pepe, know from the music business. He's been a big IT guy now. He started a podcast called 10,000 miles. And even though he knows me, and even though I was number two interview on his podcast, it was
all YouTube is all YouTube. And you know, he's got the camera all set up. And everything is he's done like nine episodes. And he says, you know, what, do you got any feedback? I said, Yeah, turd, you're talking to the pod father here. And so I send them to blueberry to vid to pod any and he gets it set up, you know, a couple of hiccups and stuff. But Mike Newman actually very helpful. So he gets a set up, he puts it out there. Its value for value. And of course, I boost him
obviously, he's all jacked. He's calling me like, I got gotten a boost for me. But then he sees other people just listening, he got a boost. He's like, how does this happen? It's amazing. So he is so excited. Just and it's not about the amount of money. It's just the validation, which he's not getting from YouTube, on YouTube, you know, he's got like 100 views, you know, 200 views, my episode was more i I tweeted it a link or whatever. But in
general, it's just a, it's a handful of views. And so when he sees that coming in, he's excited. And I feel that podcast hosting companies. Now, of course, some notable exceptions who were all in on this train, need to push that because that is what's going to retain your customer. That is the excitement that people need. And I think it's great that you know, people have magic, magic mix music, sound things and all that to help people I think all of that is fantastic. You know, but but
we need to maintain the idea that just anybody can do it. You stop with this pressure of OH, you can get out of $10,000 in advertising. That's not going to retain anybody. It's unobtainable, actually. And I think that we even and this kind of gave me a thought that you know, for for comments I hate using the CAC term, but for activity pub interactions, the social interact as it's technically known Maybe that should be something the hosting company should be pushing,
instead of relying on the apps to do all this work. That was actually something James said. I think so too. And I caught myself going. Yeah, you know, I think you're right there. I think that's, that's a really good point we have, because of the push we have made, because of the integrations we have done, we actually got something to be done that people said couldn't be done for a decade was Apple actually did something. Now, yeah, typical Apple fashion, you know, they do
it their own way. And you know, their shit don't stink, and they're better with their transcripts for I don't care. They linked to our namespace, and it's a validation of what we're doing. I believe we can push many more of these things. Now, is it unthinkable that they would allow you to connect a wallet, etc. In the future? I don't know. But I know that my boy Vic is now pushing 2.0 apps because he loves it. He loves
the idea of seeing validation come in. And his hosting company is blueberry because blueberry allows that and he was able to figure it out himself, you know, when he got a wallet and everything was all set up. Beautiful. And but now and you know, I pointed him towards Saturn because Saturn relaunched their stats for what is that it's honestly your I keep forgetting Saturn dot fly dot

Dev. Yet wonderful. You

are now it's horrible. You are I'll be out contracts is still out there. And then of course for the more advanced, you know, helipad. And the same goes for for life. You know, this is the trend people love listening to live, they just love it. And you know, what do we have? I don't even know what we have in the boardroom right now. It's like maybe what 20 People doesn't matter. It's that interaction. It's these
things that are going back and forth. It's full. If you and I just did the show and had nothing but stats and podcast index dot social, I think it'd be we'd be a lot less motivated.

Oh, for sure. Totally. I don't know what it is about. Because Because you're it's no different than just looking at a spreadsheet. Like, if you get okay, it's it's the difference between if we just talking about purely financial I mean, like there's, there's, I think there's a lot more to it. It's a psychological thing more than financial. But, but let's just put it in financial terms, just for illustrations purposes.
If you if your company is doing if you just get a spreadsheet at the end of the quarter, saying well, you just you know, you made this much profit. I mean, that's great, but it's not what you would call exciting.

Spread, but not sexy.

But if you're a bit if you're a sales guy, and you're getting those commission checks every month, you that's a different thing. There's something about I don't know how to explain some value

for value, I put this work into it, I got something back.

And, but it's more like the I think the difference with boosts and streaming sets is that you're getting pushed, you're getting real time communication. It feels like like if somebody turns when somebody listens to your show. Okay, here, here's a I think I'm zeroing in on this right now. Okay, so when I listen to a podcast, I can't control the show. You hit the play button. In your, in your now you've turned yourself over to the host. They're in control. You
are now just along for the ride. And you don't and it's there's an excitement there because you're not sure what's going to happen next. Because you're you're relinquishing your control. Yes, you've become passive. And you're experiencing the the podcast. That value for value is streaming says flips that back on the podcast or to where now the podcaster is doing the same thing. They've relinquished control and they're watching seeing things happen in real time as these events come
back to them. Yeah, it's sort of it's like the most pure two way street. Because you're it's almost like your your watch as the podcaster you're watching this event happening the same way your audience is, you know, I think so. I think it's it yes, there's a financial aspect to it. And it's always nice to make some to make some money and that kind of thing. But like when you're when that when the harp triggered a while ago. Yeah, yeah, was it we didn't know that was gonna happen and it makes it
fun. Yeah, it makes the whole experience fun because you're So, now you've engaged your audience and they're able to bring you on an on an unexpected journey that you can't control. I think I think that's, I never thought a bill I like like that. That's a really cool idea. It's,

it's important because it, and I'm saying this for our hosting company partners, they're the most stable part of the entire ecosystem. And the, you know, the amount of time and energy may be nothing for him, I don't know, but what, what Buzzsprout put into the fan mail app, I mean, I wish they would have put that that energy into, you know,
a social interact, they're there. They're a big player, when they do something, when in fact, they were instrumental in moving a lot of these things by adopting transcripts and chapters and all these things early on. And, you know, as one goes, so go the rest. And then I love seeing the 2.0 native
companies. I mean, these guys, I think that there, if you look at them on a pure profitability scale, they're probably out doing percentage wise, bigger companies, because it's, you know, it's one guy, right, one guy who can do everything, and can still handle the relatively low amount of, of customer support. But they're really pushing the envelope really moving the needle on things. I see what Sam was doing with true
fans, I mean, he's out of control. He's out of control, is out of control, you selling books, and there's all kinds of stuff happening, which is great. I mean, it's beautiful. It's not all quite, you know, there's not a lot of ecosystem behind him yet. But he's worried

that it's madness. Yes, it's pure madness. But the

idea that you want to give somebody joy for just being themselves, I'd like to get back to that. That's what the podcast industrial complex, it kind of kind of clicked for me. I was having a couple of conversations with people. I'm like, you know, what, where do we go wrong with, you know, here's, we kind of talked about this last week, but radios main function. And I've been in radio since I was 15 years old with a five watt transmitter in my little village south of
Amsterdam. Radio has always been a local medium. So whether it was the kids in my neighborhood going, Hey, man, I heard your signal and my mom drove me around the block to the closed hospital radio station at the tulip Hospital in I'm still Fein, where it was literally a captured audience. They could not leave. And we're basically just playing requests for them from their family, etc. For people who are in the hospital

that has a really fun hobby. It

was great fun. To the pirate radio stations. Yeah, we had 150 Watts, we were only covering Amsterdam, we called ourselves the rhythm of the Capitol, you know that we were just playing dance music, but really for a dance oriented city at the time. But to dizzy 100 in New York, even though that was you know, 50,000 watts at the Empire State Building 50,000 Watts, you know, who did a flame thrower, who? New York. He was still local radio. I was talking about the local events about the
mayor, you know, all these things that were local. Now Elvis Duran, who I know really well. I've known Elvis when he was still in radio and Austin in like the in the late 90s. That he became the morning guy in New York. It's 100. Of course, everything got consolidate. He went to I think they've got bought by I heart. And so he now is the morning show guy in eight cities, eight top markets. And yeah, they've localized stuff, you know, in between record. Hey, it's Elvis Duran in New
York. Hey, it's almost ran in Houston. Yeah, so they've localized that, but it's no longer local, and we've lost our way in radio, and I'd like to bring that back. And now we have all of that capability. In fact, I've been toying with the idea of really just starting a local Fredericksburg, a Fredericksburg local show that and it should be live and I don't know if it's every morning or whatever, but it needs to be live. It's a podcast you can listen to whenever you want

to please do a morning show. For greater Fredericksburg weather.

There's a lot going on in Fredericksburg and we only have one weekly newspaper. And it's very politically motivated and it's very left which is you know, contrary to a lot of live around here. But it's

per se that pollen counts up to 2500. Today you'll be careful out there. There's

a lot going on in Fredericksburg that is not discussed that there is no end all the all the towns and cities really have as a Facebook page where everyone yells at each other and is useless. So

college it just a local college

Thank you even just a local call in show. So I've given myself the the edict to lift 1000 voices across America. I haven't figured out what that means yet, but I'm working on it. Because and it's actually you know, this guy, Fernando. Hold on a second. Let me grab this

fernet. Feta net, Fernando.

Fernando is Where'd that come from?

Did that come through?

What was that? Sorry. That's that was

the Bluetooth does work actually.

I was looking I don't think I put that into the into helipad. Again,

I forgot that I looked up the road caster the Bluetooth. Okay.

So he so he's a kid who he came to America from Brazil with 100 bucks in his pocket. And, and so he has a full time job. But he started this company audio sigma. Let me see if I can find the audio signal here. Sigma. Yeah, here we go audio sigma.com. And actually, Todd turned me on to be and so you know, we got to talking. And so he's now built this thing called, Oh, these are pretty Yeah, the pod mobile. And it was all analog, basically transistor base. And now he's
done a DSP version. And he's actually sent me one I haven't tested and tested on his other ones. So here is a device that is about 300 bucks. And it really does everything it does everything your road caster can do, but limited, you know, it, it's for one or two mics it has does have the loopback for your computer, you can actually power it from the computer doesn't even have an external supply. But my point is, here's here's a an entry level device, and maybe I have to do some courseware or
something. Thank you Sam Sethi and Dobby das for getting that set up because now that now there's a way to do it to do courseware to help people just use your own voice to have a good sound I just need people to your sound just has to be good. This device I've tested these other ones of his there dynamite. I mean, I said you should be handing this out to Ray Ray roving radio reporters could you can clip it on your
belt, plug it into your phone, it sounds fantastic. But you know, like we need to get back to that place and stop with the it all has to be professional. It all has to sound big. It all has to be perfectly you listen. I love James Cridland. The way he speaks. I love his imperfections. I know he's I know he has a stutter. I love that. That that makes him a human being to me. And he and he doesn't edit it out and he could easily do it but he doesn't. And

Todd, I love I love to deliver Todd has taught

us voice that is I mean, if you would go to a radio station, they laugh you out of the building that voice No. But that's what makes it so beautiful. And we've had these guys who do stuff live Todd and Rob they do stuff live. And even when they're boring me to death, I can listen to him live. It's exciting. I can send a boost. I can I can rag on him I can. This is where we need to get back to with podcasting. And we need to just take a breather on this incessant non stop advertising
video. Got it? I mean, this is why no one's making money in podcasting is because you all gotta hire an editor, Jan briny. I love her DeVore I trained her I would say she does value for value, but she gives away a lot of her value. Because she has someone edit

for her. Yeah, that's, that's steep. Whereas this, if

we just learned to be a little bit better, you know, by doing it, go ahead and stumble and make mistakes. This is this was the I have to credit my ex wife with my ex ex wife my first way when I was just starting out 19 years old is on television for the whole country is doing radio, but the television mainly, you know, and we do the show was once a week, half the country watch and we'd be watching at home. And I'd be I can't believe I flubbed that I hate. Like I'm mad at myself
because I flubbed a word. I stumbled over something and she would look at me and go, you're not a robot that makes you human. And then I took that to heart and ever since I've just I've given up on it and and I think I've been pretty successful in my career. By leaving that stuff in

there, they send my daughter we had this exact conversation with my daughter last night so she's, she's in a band. And she they had A gig at an art auction in this it was basically like a just a background gig for these high high dollar art auctions at this local gallery. And people were drinking and stuff and it was his her and four of her buddies and they played the see they played boozer made his base made for walking

as Nancy Sinatra classic. Do

they play creep by Radiohead.

Creep I'm doing a little

they played well, what's the the Jets?

Nana nana nana da. Well, I found out that one

day didn't their dad and

dad. were sucking really bad now that 123 Take a look at me. That's the one.

Yeah, yeah, I can't remember they played that one. I can't remember the name escapes me. But they they played a nice little set. And so after it's over, she's like, you know, she's like, Oh, I messed up. Mr. Fong crepe. I didn't. I didn't come in at the right at the right. Part. And I was like, we're like, you're, you're. That's that's the beauty here. Are

you gonna be my girls language? Here we go. Yeah. Yeah, who just hit us with a baller boost. Throw on a second. Someone hits with the baller boost. Hello, phantom power media. Dave, this is phantom power media. Hello, Dave, tell your daughter to apply for our bands at Bitcoin stage in July. It's an ad. It's a native ad.

I will I will deliver this message

I'm gonna remove it. If you guys don't stop that.

Miss, she'll have to, she'll have to pay for cover band or a cover music rights. Right? Mechanical

rights. Right? Yeah, if she does that one. Yeah. But, you

know, we're telling her like, Hey, this is your you're playing with a band, you've only been playing for the band for a couple months. This is part of this is how you learn by failing. Yes, you know, you learn you, you you go out you. Because that's another thing with

auto channel. That's another thing that screwed everything up. Oh, so

much giving up control, when that's another time that you give up control. And that's one of the things that makes playing live with a band. So exciting. Yes. And Eric peepee literally said the exact same thing. Same Time I Saw that's what makes it exciting is that you don't know what's going to happen. And you're putting your own performance in the hands of other people. Because the drummer may screw up. And you know what, it's your job to save that to save the drummer.
Yes. And everybody's in it together. play bass, play bass. This band is kind of cool, because they all swap out and play everything. Oh excheap The one of the songs she plays drums one song she plays guitar once on that she plays bass. And they all kind of like in between songs. They all shuffle. Which makes it even more complicated. Of course, you're gonna miss out. But good drummers now. Yeah, right. But anyway, that now I think I think you're right. I think the return to
load. Podcasting is perfect for local. Because yes, like imagining that, that, especially now that we can do live over podcast apps. I mean, that's perfect. You. I'm just imagining a return to that to your hospital DJ. Yep, scenario where it's like, you know, Hey, man, floor three Myrtle and room 302. You know, we were here he is, you know,

did I ever tell you what we would do with when we had a coup, we had our show on Friday night. And I was I was the NG I was 15. I was the engineer. So what you do is you go before the show started, you'd hand out request forms, which are just pieces of paper. I was 15. So that's 45 years ago. And, and they would fill it out. And then we take those back
and we'd start the show. But the studio was in the corner of kind of a an auditorium not huge, but you know, where they would have like small, like a bit like a three times a conference room just put and the window. The Double Glass was right there. So it was in the corner so you could see people in the studio, and the studio could see out. So what we would do is we would actually get the kids and we would roll their beds down into the auditorium. Oh, that's cool. And then but we were playing I
remember it well. Iggy Pop lust for life. Remember that song? I got a lust for life. A little bit like the Jets actually. And so while that was playing, we got and we put we play bumper beds with the kids we'd be bummed. The beds again. I actually learned how to reinsert an IV from that experience, like, crap. I can't come over here. Like, we're not all over the place. But yeah. And it was arguably one of the most fun times of my career and was, yeah, it was. It was unpaid. It
was a, you know, it's just a volunteer work. But yes, there's local communities of interest, community, geographic communities, but I think we've come the open, wide open opportunity. And I'm going to tell you something, I'm going to prove this. If I even if I'm not hosting, if I'm just exec producing, or whatever I am doing because it's that's part
of my mission is I need to find new people to do stuff. I think it can be run, where it would pay for itself and that people would, you know, maybe it's not a full time gig, but I think a local community would support a local station, a local, a local show, I think it would support that it really would. Well,

you already did in a in the the now lost to history, the last episode of podcasting 2.0 That you did a you did a request a music request show. And that was arena over boosts.

That was the most highly boosted episode ever.

Yeah, ever of all time. Yes. And this like so there's no you now have in 2.0 ABS you can now do live streams and boosts and you can get that's there you go. You have you have a call in request show right there. So I think you know, the other thing like is my daughter, my oldest daughter, she's 22. She you're the last to face her work show. Yeah, that's right. We she's in she's in communications, like, mass communications. And so she was told recently, basically, that I
forgot who this was no future kid. It was almost like that. She she's made. She's majoring currently in, in mass communications. And the person told her basically do not go into do not think that you're going to go into local television because it's dead. Oh, yeah, that's exactly what you've been saying the last couple of weeks. He said local local affiliates shutting down or shutting

down. You know, chat, if just the post in the boardroom, you said you just described homegrown hits. You've never heard that show. It's exactly right. Also, the no agenda stream which is now that's been around so long that that's really become its own entity. And that is 24 hours a day. But people literally tune in to hear Darren Oh, on Thursdays and Sundays they tune in to hear nick the rat on
Wednesdays they tune the tuning in. Then you have in the smoker you've got oh my goodness, beers with buds, but you know, buds with buds beard and smoking buds. There's all these different shows. And it's all within that same ecosystem of very simple chat room, the booster grams have become super important. And it's not. It's not that Darren O is retiring? No, it's It's the feedback mechanism is the hey man you boosted cool, you see it in the chat room, the host responds to
it. This is stuff that that actually will. That is working, the proof is there. And we need a little more engagement, I think from the hosting companies, not all and I'm not, I'm generalizing to a huge degree. And I'm also extremely grateful with all the hosting companies have done so far. But we can do more. And

I don't see why these local reporters for local stations couldn't just strike out on their own and do and do a local oriented podcast. And

we'll see we'll see some of that. But a lot of that a lot of that culture and attitude is not easy to break. I mean, the idea that you're going from we'll be right back after these messages to begging for money grifting you know, all the stuff that gets thrown at your head. That's a very tough change for most people. Now I wanted as a part of this since we have the Phantom the Phantom people in the nmpa National Music Publishers Association sent a very damning letter to Spotify
and this is important that pertains to us. And Jim actually posted on podcast index social about this. They say let me see where this is. It has come to our attention that Spotify displays lyrics and reproduces and distributes music videos and podcasts using musical works without the consent of or compensation to the respective publisher and or administrators. are members in Perkins, who control the copyrights in the
musical compass compositions. As such, these uses of musical works on the Spotify platform are not licensed or will soon become unlicensed. So this is very interesting. I'm not so this is probably more about lyrics and the music videos, but the fact that put podcasts in there is important because you're going to see podcasts come down very quickly from
Spotify. And a lot of them because people are using music in in so many different ways that is unlicensed, because you literally can't license it from from the traditional systems. And Spotify will not think twice, it'll be hooked, gone, quick, gone, hook gone hook, it's gonna be they're gonna be running algos on it, it's going to be gone, gone, gone. And even if it's just mute, they're not even going to check and see if they if it's licensed, I just going to remove it. Big
opportunity. The main thing we need to shore up and we have a version of it, we don't have everything perfect. But I would think we need to implement the music license, the remote item license, whatever we call it for inclusion of a bit of someone else's work in your podcast, I'd like the remote item licensed better than a music license. That was the same thing. So this this is not not I'm not talking about an RSS feed of songs. Now. There's a whole bunch of issues that have come up that that we
need to discuss but purely remote item. License. Yes, you can use this under the value for value auspices. The it's been written, it's out there, I think it just needs to be added to the namespace and link so people can include it.

Is that the case? Honestly, no. So I feel so ill equipped to deal with something like this, that I feel like I need somebody else to just give me the wording to put

to put I'm gonna, I'm gonna carry this, I'm going to carry this. I'm going to carry this the

I think the lat to me where it fell off a cliff was all of a sudden it took a turn into. Yeah, and we need to be able to block certain apps from being able to play certain music. And I was like, Whoa, I mean that

the Exactly. So the, the way I don't carry this Dave and I will I'll get the consensus and everything. So there's a couple things one, I in this is the main thing we have to understand. If you have an RSS feed, and you have an enclosure, and that enclosure is an mp3, there is no difference between it being dry, dred Scott's ISO, a feed, no agenda,
three and a half hour shows, or a three minute song. In the world of podcasting, they are equal, ergo, therefore, if you're going to like that, as my lawyer talk, you sound like a philosopher is Raha ergo, therefore, the remote item license is how I view this. So it's not because it's a song.
Because I feel that what if I make a great joke, or there's a great a great bid, and someone wants to include that in their show, just as valuable to me, as someone who spent three years writing a song, you may not think that's fair, but in the world that we're dealing with, they're equal. And so we need the mechanism, if you're going to include something in your show, and it's in the realm of value for value, you should be able to say from this moment in time to this moment in time,
switch the wallets. It's coming from over there. And I think we can add into that, a minimum requirement. So you got to give me minimum 50%. You know, of the value block, take more if you want. I mean, I think that's and it's always all going to be gentlemen's agreement, general woman's agreement, Gen Zers agreement. But we need that at a minimum to protect ourselves. Even though we're all going to get kicked off a Spotify and AB it's all coming. This is why we built this Dave, because they
will not discriminate. You got music and your podcast, you're done goodbye. They're not going to check. They don't care. They got no infrastructure to see. It's just like YouTube, as you know, like tick tock, it'd be muted, all the all these problems are coming, but we can solidify for ourselves that we have the agreement and we're all cool with each other.

So you think they're gonna start taking down stuff that's not even guaranteed? There's not even related to this, you know, an

example our church which I believe so our church has a worship team, which as we all know, is Christian for band. So they were worship teams. And the worst is

to drummer have the plexiglass you better believe it?

Yes, you better believe it. Yeah, he's got the cage. So the worship team licenses music, from you know, there's a whole industry, and it puts the words up on the screen. So everybody can sing holy, holy, holy, and hands in the air, like, we just don't care. And it's license, they pay rights. And those rights are also for use in recordings on on
YouTube. And every month, at least once YouTube takes down one of the sermons because they say you got to strike because you use the license work, even though they have the right to use it, they have the paperwork, it's backed up, it's, it's an established system, which has been going for decades, the system still takes the whole thing down. So that's going to happen at Spotify now. It's just going to happen. So we need our
stuff to be tight. So that when content producers, whether they make music or audio books, or whatever it is, we need a system that is fair, and and and and open and everybody can participate in. Hey, I made 100, I made 100 SATs on this. Here's your ad.

So in and the license in the feed is a signal. Yes, yes. This is this has this has been covered.

Covered. Yeah, it's just it's just like Creative Commons. Except, you know, we do it under this this particular license. Now. I know that we're going to run into all kinds of problems down the line and disagreements, et cetera over music itself. I can't deal with that right now. All I can deal with is the inclusion of a remote item. That part I want to shore up so that when when the Exodus takes place, people know
they can come here. They can come into this ecosystem, and they can promote the apps that understand and do this and promote the apps that give the pass the value through. We will we will overcome may pleasing Grace

shall over.

We will we will. So remote item license is what I'm looking at. Okay, remote, so you can use this content no matter what it is at as a remote item. Here's my here's my my baseline requirement. And the technology actually handles most of it. The technology handle, you know if it needs to be surfaced what this is, you know, just like when I look at I'm at podcast Guru, I look at the sidestream music podcast by the way, Cody's a great great episode this week was music Tony Hawk screwed up
on and didn't put it in his in his game. Really good as read all the funny music. Yeah, it's very first great promotion. I can go on, I hit the V for V tab and I see all the songs. I could save those songs to a playlist, I could boost them separately, I can play them separately, I can get into the arts and that that stuff that technology, that remote item Thank you Alec says is taken care of, is taken care of all that is done. So our
stuff will be tight. So that whenever anybody thinks they're gonna come and mess with us, they won't even come be that let those guys play over there. They're not the real music industry. Okay. Well, we've we've got, we've got some kind of, you know, what, what is the

remote item license actually protect against

protects against nothing. It's an agreement the EU. It's just like a Creative Commons. If you really want to take someone to court, you can create and I've, I've, I've proven the Creative Commons copyright works in court for that very reason. But it still comes down to a basic understanding and agreement like everything, it's only as good as the paper it's written on.

And this is

this wood. It's not protecting against it really doesn't protect you against anything except someone using it and not passing on any payment to you. But we have no cops. We're never gonna have cops to go out there. But you can say, Hey, man, this is under the remote item license. So would you please make sure that you put that into your feed properly? That's really all that you can do in

that, so so it's a matter of if you're going to use this, you need to use a remote value split.

Yes. And to answer cotton gins question. Yes, the splits. The splits accomplish this, but it's it gives you a little bit of backup with a legal document and I think we should have a minimum requirement and the minimum should always be baseline 5050. But as you can say, You know what I'll I'll say I'll settle for or do I want 90%? Now, can you stop someone from doing it? No, you'd have to bring action
against them. But guess what? This isn't a world. This is about just making it clear what I'd like and what that I want this system in play, it's solidifying, what splits are it's solidifying what the remote item is? Yes, please use my content in this manner. Here's the requirements that I have. If you want protection code, ASCAP, BMI, sia EA

keeps you from built. I think I'm understanding this now because it was just, I think, kind of what you're saying is it keeps you from having to build essentially the exact same structure that already exists exactly. Again, which which has which will have the exact same problems as the other system course. It's centralized and, and punitive. Yes.

Very punitive. Now, if you think you're gonna get rich by anyone thinks they're gonna get rich, by all means, don't have your music played on podcast, don't get it played anywhere, you know, put it into iTunes and have fun. Good luck. Absolutely. If you want to have an audience, and you want to have value returned to you. That's why you're with us. Yeah, there's not enough room in the world for all the people to be successful and making you know, quit your job money. Look at
this podcast 180 episodes not quitting any job. For sure, but I love what I do and I love my truck.

There's no there's not there's not a the Creator middle class is just, it's never going to be a thing. No. Well, I

don't think you can I think you know, touring I think you can do a lot. You know, a lot of people have a lot
of love for what they do. No doubt about it. I mean, we're an unrestrictive system where you know, the traditional systems are all that Why is everything failing because they no longer control the distribution once podcasting came in distribution was open Why does everybody wants to the move to YouTube why because they control the distribution move to Spotify, because they control the distribution they controlled it but that's the way it's always work and those days are just
oversee the billion dollar Spotify blue

at this, this actually sort of tend sort of tangents into a kind of wanted to talk about that Jack Dorsey interview. Did you read that? I did. The one in pirate wire.

I did. I read the whole thing. You bet.

That he said this has some stuff in there. That was pretty pretty noteworthy to me. I think they're all so let's see. The you talking about this? It kind of reminded me of, of him. He talked some about blue sky. He says, here's one thing he said. He said what is the anti Twitter? He's talking about? Blue Sky says what what happened is people started seeing blue skies, something to run to away from Twitter. It's the thing that's not Twitter. Therefore, it's great. And blue
sky saw this exodus of people from Twitter show up. And it was a very, very common crowd. It was designed to be controlled by the people. But little by little they started asking J she's the CEO. Yeah. And the team for moderation tools and to kick people off. And unfortunately, they follow through with it. Everything we wanted around decentralization, everything we wanted, in terms of an open source protocol suddenly became a company with VCs and a board. That's not what I wanted. And
that's not what I intended to help create. Around the same time I found noster. We don't know who the leader is. It's like this anonymous Brazilian guy. It has no board, no company behind it, no funding. It's a truly open protocol. The development environment is moving fast. I gave a bunch of and I gave him a bunch of money to them. Okay, so that's, that's the quote. And he seems to be defining. I've got a few things to say about this. But he seems to be defining openness as a
protocol that is not backed by any company. To him it if it's if it has a company and control of it, it's not truly open.

I find that to be true. This is why I liked Bitcoin no CEO. Right? This is why I like RSS no CEO. But

do you think that that's is that always the case, though? And I'm gonna bring this back around to what we're talking about

tell you why I think it's always the case because it's never been the case. Bitcoin Bitcoin was the first for me, even though I've come to appreciate RSS equally when you have something that is truly just a format or a protocol, either way. And I and to a degree, I think activity Pub is that as well. These are the things that are being implemented and used by people because they can, because they don't need to pay a developer fee or do any of this stuff.
Anybody can do it. That was That was always the the idea behind RSS and you people will come to me, man now. So do you have your own plane? We're talking about God, you invented RSS. You invented podcast, and then a podcast to bro, if we had done that it would have gone nowhere. No one would be using it. The whole point is that it just is. It just is.

And now and when you're talking and he started, he started talking about licensing fees, and these guys, NAD that's understand that. But is like blue sky doesn't have Hold on.

I didn't talk about a licensing fee. But you mean in regards to the music stuff?

No, no, I'm talking, you said, you know, royalty like fees for implementation. And like developer

like API access developer, you have to toolkit and all this kind of stuff. But

that's see that's in that's where I'm, that's, that's the interesting issue here is blue sky is a published protocol. You can implement it yourself just like you can activity pub. It's a it's just an it's an open specification. And in that sense, it's no different than noster. You know, but he has, he's saying he has a problem with it.

Okay, well, can we separate a couple of things because I also see stuff in the boardroom being discussed. There's a difference between a protocol and the implementation. So when I say activity piled right away, yeah, but there's all kinds of lib tardes are Mastodon Mastodon is not activity, pub nostre. The Social Network is not Nasir the protocol to see the the the mistake, the big mistake of
nostre was the social network. Because only people in this boardroom and not everybody even understand that there's more to that than the implementation. So the implementation of RSS was initially only blogs. I think if you say RSS people still think blogs, they don't think podcasts, they certainly don't think music distribution, or audio books, or courseware, or any of that stuff. If that's the hardest thing we're doing right now is we're we're moving people away from thinking this is just
for blogs, we're just for podcasting. And this can be for all kinds of distribution. That's the hardest thing we're doing.

See, okay, so he says to backup at the second he says, he says in another prices. So what if we created a team that was independent to us, he's talking about when he was at Twitter that built a protocol that Twitter could use and then build on top of, then we would wouldn't have the same liabilities because the protocol would be an open standard, like
HTTP or SMTP. Twitter would become the interface and we can build valuable business by competing to be the best view on top of this massive corpus of conversation that's happening in real time. And, you know, he says, he says, I know it's early and noster is weird and hard to use. But if you truly believe in censorship, resistance and free speech, you have to use technologies that actually enable them to change arise, blah, blah, blah, because these, those are technologies, no
company or government can compromise. The corporations can be compromised, and they have been, I

think there's a difference between Okay, let me take mercy because I hear what you're saying. I hear what he's saying. And I think he's incorrect in some things. I do to Twitter started as an RSS based system. Where and that's why that failed all the time, because they tried to centralize RSS, where if they came out of Mike, the first term was microblogging. So we all had blogs. And it was kind of a groovy system, because we had a product called Google Reader,
but there are many others. And when that never got to flourish that business online Like podcast apps that enable that that created the product out of the protocol. Dorsey is interspersing, the censorship resistant nature of a protocol that allows you to communicate with social media, which is a shit product. Yes, that's the problem. Social media is a horrible product. It's a horrible product. I can't put it
any other. Now. You take activity pub in the context of a reasonably close system, like podcasts index dot social, it's an okay product. And I have an account, just podcast index dot social, and I have ad server level have blocked certain instances. And from time to time I go through it and go nope, nope, I go to the public timeline. Nope. Because I protect our community. So it actually functions as a reasonable product for for the mission that we have. But are we
really doing social media there? No. In fact, I've asked some people I said, Hey, could you not post that here? Because that's just going to create a whole conversation that has nothing to do with what we're doing here. It's

more in podcasting index dot social is more like just a big version of GitHub discussions. Yeah, yeah. Oh,

yeah. A little less stringent, I think but yeah,

it's very, it's just so hyper specific to one to kind of one topic that it keeps some of the and and your moderation on the back end. Keep some of that away.

So what Dorsey's mistake is, in my opinion, this he is equating free speech and censorship resistant speech with a social network. No, the hard No, because it's not it's a crap show, as people arguing, then, you know, it's like comments, comments, depending on how you on how they're displayed, even that determines the product of something that can be censorship resistant. So podcasting is censorship resistant. And it's
but it's very different. And you can use RSS for a social network, the see what Twitter did in the beginning, but that's a crap product. Podcasting is a podcast apps are outstanding product, people like them. People use them. Wherever you get your podcast, it's a great distribution mechanism. So we have to, we have to make a distinction between the protocol and the product. Whoo, there you go.

Yeah. Well, I think I think and I think that's, I think that's where I'm struggling with what he's saying and where I disagree with him is you can have, you can have open protocols that are developed by private companies. I mean, that's just the protocol itself. I mean, it's take the iTunes namespace was open, we're all allowed to use it. It's not like the it's not like the USBC. Right, but you can't get one kangaroo.

But it holds everybody back. Because I like the podcast namespace. Where there's no, there's no, there's no other incentive other than just to keep the servers
running. Yeah, and no one. Well, I guess, technically, it's all it's only as good as the people but when you have a corporation, corporations have boards, corporations have targets corporations have to make money corporations have a reason for existence, podcast index, dot LLC podcast index, LLC, that has one mission to make itself unnecessary, to destroy, destroy itself. That is that is our ultimate mission. In the
meantime, keep everything running, but have a backstop. So if we all keel over, then the servers keep running on AutoPay, etc. But the mission is to make ourselves obsolete. And I think we stated that clearly. With all these, all these censorship resistant things, which protect us mainly from corporate corporate from the corporate world.

They said because, okay, he says, He's talking about Blue Sky says it was the anti Twitter. And he's talking about how why he left blue skies. So he deleted his account. He left blue sky. He says it was the anti Twitter people were literally running from Twitter to blue sky. And that's not a way to build something successful, sir. So he says,

but they weren't running from they weren't running away from Twitter to blue sky, the protocol. They were running to the product, blue sky product. Yeah.

And so he talks about surviving. And this is where it this is what really, this is where I'm bringing it back around a little bit because he says, he says, All that said, I really respect J she's the blue sky. As CEO, she was under a lot of pressure to survive. Yeah. And he's talking about, you know, when they started doing moderation and this kind of thing. It it's like he says, he says it's such a crazy thing.
It seems like the core leadership team at Twitter around you was just told this is the question the the guy asking Dorsey the question. He says it seems like the core leadership team at Twitter around you was just totally opposed to elements throughout the company from the sales team to the board. It's almost as if the company were fundamentally in conflict with itself. He says it was also pretty reactive to what was happening the world well,

because sent to be censorship resistant, there has to be zero financial incentive. And by definition, if you have a company, you're going to have financial incentive one way or the other.

And, and I want this idea, he said that she was under a lot of pressure to survive as a company. I think you said it fine, earlier. But I mean, just to state it more clearly. Let's set a goal to never try to survive as a company.

No, we actually our goal is to destroy ourselves that yeah, that's even better. That's the best goal ever.

If podcast index dies, they just dies. I was

talking to someone today. And you know, who want to use the podcasts index as a back end? And which, you know, a lot of a lot of people in this boardroom do. And I think because there's a relationship, and there's several years of history, now, people know what, you know, know, us know, how we operate, know what we do and what we don't do. And they trust us, there's a trust, there's a huge trust factor there. And I don't think we've ever violated that trust. And I don't know,
there's just that we're just, we're good guys, now. But someone from the outside says, hey, you know, so what happens? If podcasts index goes away, there goes my business, because I'm trusting that to be the back end. And I always say, Well, let me tell you, first of all, we have $28,000 in cash in the bank, and that money is on auto pay than that. And you know, it costs real money to keep everything running every single day, every single month. And we're expanding, and we'll need
more over time. But in general, we think three to five years, this, if we got no, if the money stopped today, we could have three to five years, it would continue, there'd be no extra development, et cetera. But that would be it. Dave and Adam,
don't take any of that money for personal use. But I said within that three to five years, we hope that there's just an index space is just out there, then and you don't have to rely on us, it will be just like, Tor, you know, or hash space, or whatever it is, it will be, it will just be the way to get in, there will be will be the way to get it out will be and this is what things like pod ping and activity pub and we're figuring all this out and things will know it's our mission, it's our
ultimate mission to make ourselves obsolete. So podcasting will just be it won't be a place where accompany it will be podcasting. It's just there, tap in

it, to podcasts and to 1.2 point oh will survive because it doesn't need any money. Right? The indexes, podcasts index does need money. And if and if the market determines it should die, then

it'll die. That's fine. It's not gonna, it's not gonna. And

here's why. And here's what happens that the day that the day that that does happen, I cut everything down to the bone. We can run, we can run just we can run core services for about $300 a month. And, you know, with with, with

restricted restrictions on API access, I'm

sure right, yeah. And that'll and that'll take along for a long time. Maybe

we just put out a database every week. I don't know. It could be any number of things. We could

do that for I could do that paying for it myself out of my own wallet. So the unknown I'm not worried about that the it's just we're you know trying to survive as a company and like Keep it keep yourself from dying. I mean, that's where all the bad stuff starts. You know, that's that's yeah, that's where things start to always go wrong. Yes,

that's exactly right. It's always goes wrong. Yeah,

so I'm just like, you know, the world the world moves on things go away. So if we are you know, if for some reason, the the economy just completely The tanked and everybody's in the funding for the index data. This one we'll move on. But, you know, he, he said something else about brand advertising. He said, But this is this. I do agree with him. He says, I think the core critical sin was choosing the advertising model to begin with brand advertising is not like direct
advertisements, right, which is more programmatic. It requires something like a Disney to essentially do you a favor, because the only because the only players that matter to them are Google and Facebook, Snapchat, Twitter, everything else doesn't matter. And these are ads, they're essentially throw away money for them. But we made that choice in order to go public. Yeah,

that's right. These are and that was to satisfy the initial investors and you go all the way back up the chain.

He said, we needed a model, Facebook's model was really good. So we came up with an ad program and ran with it. And I came back to the company a year after the IPO, and we were seeing a decline in growth. And that manifested in the decline in ad revenue. So our first focus was to rework the product. So we were growing again. And then second was to get off this
dependency on advertisement. And when you're entirely dependent on that, if a brand like Procter and Gamble, or Unilever doesn't like what's happening on your platform, you're totally threatened to pull the budget with accounts, which accounts for like 20% of your revenue, you have no choice. Yeah,

in that interview, he also says that it was easy for Elon to fire half the company, because half the company was in sales. You know, and all and trust me when I say that the largest military contractor in the world, Elon Musk, because that's what he is looking at his real businesses. His mission is not to give you freedom of speech is just the cost of doing business for him. By the way, he's giving you freedom of speech, not freedom of reach. That's also in that
article, which is true. And I see that all the time. Hey, no, no, I get no numbers on this post. You know, okay, fine. I wonder why. All he's doing is making sure there's enough excitement and action around x to keep everybody engaged as he rolls out. His Kwazii podcasting infrastructure is make money on your writing infrastructure. So he's trying to be substack. He's trying to be trying to be Patreon, but not really not really with subscriptions. But he'll roll that out. And it all
comes down to he wants to be your bank. He's got 38 Money transmitter licenses, he'll have them all. And if there's not enough action around his his x.com, he'll post something outrageous to start up again. He just needs to keep everybody engaged and on Twitter all the time, until he has everything rolled out so he can be your bank. That's it. That's it. He wants to be your bank.

It here's the quote you were talking about. He says it was a brand advertising business and a brand advertising business needs a huge sales staff. Over 50 to 60% of Twitter employees were in sales. Yeah,

there you go. There you go. But, but But make no mistake, this is not about Ilan trying to give you freedom of speech. No, no, no, no. By the way, can I just do a quick namespace thing here? Oh, yeah, sure. Well, I'm not going to play the jingle. Leslie Leslie has been emailing me. We got a long distance dedication from Lesley Lesley says that she is working on audio books. And she has a request for the season
tag. Which I thought was quite reasonable. Because I'm like, Oh, by the way we updated season, we got season taxes. Yeah, but it's not enough. I will quote from her correspondence with me. I know that most hosting companies support season numbers. But what would also be helpful is if we could get a season level art and titles. Oh, she says I think
that would be a great help for audio books. And maybe even for musicians, as they could put multiple works out as seasons within a single feed and distinguish between them, rather than having separate feeds for each.

I think that's a neat idea.

I think it's an interesting way to look at it. And we were just because she says you know, I can't afford to have a new RSS feed for every single audiobook. So you gotta

get people to subscribe to. Yeah. Because that should just be an attribute on the optional attributes,

optional attributes. So optional image and title I think is what she's specifically asking for. And I said we already have titles and titles we have but she wants art. Do we have because I looked at it. Are you sure we have title?

We have name you can name a season or you can name a season. Like as names. Let me go to the GitHub brief thoughts on point o season man

that James Kerguelen his podcast namespace.org Sure pops up at the top of the OGS now I liked that let me see because I have season

it's the name attribute.

Okay let me see

in the examples like podcast season Yeah,

yeah yeah name equals yes name. So episode art

Yes. So we just need an image URL attribute and

hosting companies apparently are still only offering the old iTunes namespace I guess the number the season yeah for the season number but the people want names and name title and image

so I think we shouldn't want it to get against people what they will go on it there's

a customer to customer customer waiting for you right there. Podcasting 2.0 podcast we deliver customers to you. You're gonna play a song. Oh yeah, let's do that right now.

Thank you for reminding write this up as a as an issue on GitHub while you're playing while I'm playing the song.

Okay, good. I think I got this one from either the Phantom music power hour I got it from the side street music podcast another banger for a Friday everybody Tony Salamone with red light of podcasting live
on offense to the sky affair face first into the concrete. Logging into my brain changed and shaped? Supernatural it's the days Baby

Tony Salamone red lights podcasting. 2.0 if you boost if you didn't boost go back, rewind boost. Tell him you heard it on podcasting. 2.0 That's a good one. That's a great song. I love that track.

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you got it in? Alright, you nailed it, I

get it in, I got it. That's

how we write one song. And we've updated the namespace Beautiful. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. I love it. Cool. Good. Anything else for the board meeting here?

I got some stuff that we can wait. We always push

every now next week, there's no board meeting because I'm on the road. I can't do it next week. So that's true that I need to do is I'd rather go long today. And then

that's alright, I've got I didn't get much accomplished this week, I'd planned on getting the resolver built for the I didn't get much of a chance to code this week. But I want to get the that we need a resolver for translating a key send addresses? Oh, you know, so that you can look up like, David Get out b.com and convert it back to a to a note Id we need that. But I want to make it where apps like cast ematic can just send one request for a whole bunch of addresses,
you know, and like we do the resolution for it. You could you could just do send off like 10 of these addresses, we would resolve them back in one call. Yeah. And do the caching and all that nice. Nice. I want to make that easy for everybody for lists. Yeah, apps. Yeah. But before we put cuz I want to get that key send address thing into the value recipient tag on June 1. But I don't. But I don't want to do it without giving the serverless apps a fallback? Yes, as we always do. So so that's
the next thing on my list. And we'll talk about that. Okay, I'll get it done while while you're

gone two weeks. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Sorry, everybody. And Alex is working

on a top secret project for us. So. Yeah. Put for pod payments.

Do you put them under NDA? Indie. So we can't talk about it. So we can't talk about it. And yeah, it'd be fun,

but sign the document. Here, Alex on this. I know what

you'd say sign this. Yes. I was just as I was playing that song. I'm just I'm just like jamming out to the song. I remember because the last episode, when you lost power at the office, and I played tracks for two or three hours. That was more fun. I had just because we've been talking about I've been reminiscing My mind has been going back and forth in history. That was more fun. For me as a music disc jockey than any shift I ever did on Z 100 The biggest radio station in New
York at the time. In fact, I wasn't. Why because I was almost it was like it was lonely. You know, you're just talking into Mica. Hey, I live in New York. But there's nothing coming back. There was no there was no chat room. There was no booster grams there was you know, we had requests and so on the back would take a request and wasn't really a request anyway. We just pretend to like yeah, okay, this, this is what's next in the computer. So we're playing this.

You don't even have Buzzsprout fan mail.

Let's, let's thank a few people, shall we? Let's use our own fan mail here. We have lots of live booths that came in 3438 from Billy Bones. says thank you for the boardroom meetings. It makes me excited for podcasting. 2.0 Well, you're welcome. And you're a part of it. Billy Bones. We're all part of the Billy Graham anonymous 3333 We got Mike Dell 1701 hamvention booths from Dayton Ohio. 70 threes, keto eight Lima
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Beautiful Sam. Thank you let's let's can we can you post somewhere short. Just to document how that how that showed up like hub that pops up so other apps can see it. That would be great. This is perfect. See, I told you I would carry this it's so easy. The work is done for me. Done. Shred word part of the dorsal verse 1000 SATs genuine variety and organic goodness is King not perfection and sounding like everybody
else. We call it here in the Dorko verse Nashville called when you stick to the template Amen brother

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you're perfect. Last night, this is another another writing on the wall. So we were going to tune in to our favorite show. Cheers. We're on season nine, we're almost done.

Oh, you're close.

We've been binging. And so I pop open, because you know, you can get it on Paramount plus through Amazon, whatever. And right at the top, oh, there's the American Country Music Awards. Live on Amazon. So we pop it, you know, it's like, okay. And it was just uncomfortable to watch. It was so because it's so like, structured and you know, they have ads, of course. And so it's all tight on a timeline. It's unnatural. You know, I love Reba McIntyre. But, you know, she's
hosting again. And you know, and it's just, it's they're trying to make this tight, tight show. And it's this, this, you know, robotic, doesn't feel like podcasting where it's crazy to control.

You know, I hear songs. Sometimes I'll ever and honestly Taylor Swift's catalog is like this. You just know that in five years minimum AI will be able to recreate songs this dinner just exactly like that. They sound no different. They're just like, like vacuous. Couldn't

do it already. You can do it already. And there's no love. There's no soul. It's soulless. Yeah,

there's, do you know what's, you know? What is it? Well, so we've been rewatching X Files.

Yeah, yes. You're done with the with the musicals. You're onto X Files now.

Now we're intermixing we're mixing it up. Now. We've heard we've been watching musicals too. But do you know what's great about those old shows from 80s 90s? You don't see any computers anywhere?

It's all analog.

That's right people people's desks have like pens and paper and a phone

Sam Sam Malone in cheers has a little black book with all those babes all those babes in it? Yes.

All the babes so true.

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ever tried that thing out. It's amazing. It's basically wherever Yes, basically a framework of every everything that we have in podcasting. 2.0 just smashed into one web app.

We're gonna get him on the show, do you? Yes, of course.

Of course. Of course. Andrew, you're up, bro. You're up. You're on. You're gonna be on the show. I can't wait to catch up with him. I can't wait. We got some we got stories a bit. You hear stories that I have forgotten? No. In fact, I guarantee you he has stories that I've forgotten. That'll be a good one. Let's get him on.

Okay, we got Andrew Andrews on deck. He says he says this rocks heard on Podcast, episode 179.

Yes. And Andrew Thank you. He's got everything set. You know, the wherever app booths come through, and I can see what song it was for and I think he I don't know that that yeah, has the reply function working which is great. I love that too. I love replying to boost i Every morning I come and say oh, can I reply to this? Oh, can I reply and because it's split Usually I'm sending people back more than I received.

You're losing money.

I'm losing money on it, but I love it.

To 237 That is the number of unread emails I have in my podcast index mailbox. All

right, I'm plugging along, brother. I'm taking care of most of them when I can. Oh, yeah.

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the way, the the update ability of the dashboard. Now the control dashboard is great, because now I can change someone's Feed URL

that's working for you. Yes,

yes. And now, if the if the feed is already in there double, you have to resolve that first. I've even done a couple of successful merges, which did my head and well did my head and because I'm like, What's merging into what you know, like, I'm merging the wrong way. Oh, restore, reset. Okay. merge them back the other way. All right. There we go. Undo Ctrl Z. is great. I'm able to I'm actually able to do a lot for people. So I feel quite powerful with the capabilities I have.

It will I'll continue to refine that. It's still rough.

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So wait, they get tilde dummy. Somebody in onramp gave you root access to anything?

Oh, yeah. No, I had root access to everything. So we had a son with a Unison five maybe. Spark station. Spark station. Yeah. And Neuromancer was the machines name, I remember it well. And so there was a ragtag, we had like one client, and we were just trying to do stuff. And, and, you know, I was trying to figure something out. And so I go in, and I'm on the machine, right? So I have root access on the machine, that I'm seeing all these errors being thrown. And I'm like,
well, there's something wrong here with this sh. So why don't just RMS H for a second I removed the shell. Nice. was interesting how we brought that back to life. That was my that was my big aha moment. Oh, don't give me that access anymore. I

used to work at an insurance brokerage in it. And we ran a big as 400 system. This is a this is 1000. Person. Company. Yes. 400. Man classic. Millions and millions and millions of dollars of insurance premiums going through this company. And then all the night everything ran as a batch job as 400 to print all the debt, all the premium notices and all this kind of stuff. The COBOL we do in COBOL? No is RPG? Yeah, is the native language on is 400. So it was said the we had a new
guy in it. And he he was just he just needed a job. Like he had an history degree like he didn't know hardly anything about about anything with computers. And they hired him. And then like a week later, all the all the MIS people you know, it used to be a separate department in my es mi Yes, yes. Yeah, of course, all the MIS people were like, nobody wanted to stay the regular night
operator guy was off and none of them wanted to stay late. So they're like, hey, we'll just give this this guy with a history degree a crash course. There was 400 job management with RPGA. Yeah, with and so they gave him a 15 minute, here's a here's how you do this. You run this command, you wait to this other thing happens. You run this command, and then you do these things. But whatever you do, don't do this thing at this time, because that'll screw everything up. And he did that
thing. It two o'clock in the morning. The thing was so screwed. They had to just start they just had to punt and restart restoring from backup. Oh no. He started running batch jobs on top of each other. And deleting stuff. It was a it was like a almost business ending event.

And I'm like, what did you think was gonna happen? Fantastic. Ah, Dave, there's another podcast in here for us, ma'am. Yes. tales from the trenches.

Magnolia mayhem, do 7777 to fountain Magnolia mayhem says there's already a good number of audiobooks on our set. That's podcasting. Yes, there there are, that's for sure. Mostly creepy pasta stuff like Tales from the gas station. Several productions of Bourassa last known position etc. but it's a foot in the door. I wish I could think of some non horror examples. But outside of that I just have custom RSS feeds on my NAS for my own audio book ribs. It's pretty easy. Yeah, either
way. We're already heading in that direction. Right? Oh, it is creepy pasta. What does that mean?

It's a good band name.

Yes.

Not everybody with creepypasta.

See, Jean been 2222. Hey, Jean to cast magic. He says, I think Dave is right about the K God. K God feed being a podcast l feed. But do any apps actually support podcast l playlists? They

will? They will, they will. They will. Because that that project will that will happen. Somehow that's going to happen. Someone's going to do if it's not me, it's going to be somebody's going to happen. Sam Sathya also sent me a very thoughtful email with all kinds of ideas about that. I'm still processing everything. He thinks that should be the publisher feet. I'm thinking the podcast so I think the list is the way to go. But we're working on it. We're working on it. There's
plenty figured out whenever we will figure it out. Of course

do stuff, see what works, and then go yep, yep. Yep, comic strip blogger, the delimiter. Here we go. 23,000 SAS through fountain CSB says, howdy, David Adam. I'd like to recommend a podcast about important things in life, literal quote from the last episode. Quote, I am so happy with my new exercise regime, also called having a job. I don't know if I'll let you know if I can see my junk in the
shower someday. Unquote. Said Ryan bemrose. The delivery driver for Amazon's subcontractor from Seattle other co host is some unemployed Irish guy called Darren or Darren from a shoe rack Wars era. Check it out at www dot grumpy old Ben's dot com comma yo CSB. So

Devora divorce. Darren O'Neill always does the Rock and Roll pre show complete copyright violation before every it's the copyright or copyright violation show before every no agenda live show. And John was ragging on him. He says Darrell, I'm like Wow, man. The guy has been doing this for years and you still know his name. You call him Darryl now instead of Darren. So that's what I think we should just in the knife that we should play commerce or bloggers jingle. We haven't
played that in a while. Yeah, do it hit a
comic strip.

Comic Strip,
Comic Strip, strip. Comic Strip. Comics jam comic strip.

Classic has been around for 15 years that that jingle probably gets

the monthlies. Alright Terry Terry killer $5 Thank you, Terry. Silicone florist. $10 Chris cow and $5 Damon Cazal Jack $15. Yarn, Rosenstein. $1 Derek J. Vickery, the best name and podcasting. $21. Jeremy gerdts. $5. Michael Hall $5.50. and New Media projections. That's Todd and Rob $30. Go

thank you all very much. You know, I read somewhere I think tally coin. Did they shut down the tally coin shut down?

No.

You wouldn't know because nothing ever comes in through tally coin. So we wouldn't know. That's right.

If a tree falls in the woods, nobody's around to hear it. And

we'll tally coin have a receipt. Nope. They won't. Hey, good board meeting everybody. I feel like we we fix the we saw a lot of stuff once again. That's a board did you who's doing the meeting minutes?

Somebody's got it. Somebody's

got it. My

name. And Mike's got it.

Yeah. All right. Brother. Have a great weekend. Dave.

Yeah. Have a good trip to Nashville. Yes.

Yes. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it's going to be a lot of fun. Okay. boardroom Thank you very much for being here. Once again. We'll be back in two weeks for another probably extended edition of the podcasting 2.0 podcast See you then everybody.
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