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Podcasting 2.0 May 10th 2024 Episode 179: "Swiss Army App"

Adam & Dave are joined by the PC2.0 Data Scientist Eric Nantz and we get triggered by lots of sounds!

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We are LIT

Eric Nantz - Podcasting 2.0 Data Scientist

The R-Podcast

New Helipad

PIC is falling apart! Revenue misses! LOL

Publisher feeds - Godcasters

Stations dying

retransmitting only

airtime is bought

invest in local

attribution of donations

Value block? how does it work

How is it validated?

Stack Overflow accounts being closed - bans

Fan Mail Buzzsprout

PNW prooves comments are desired! And work for "smaller shows" and all of Jacksonville will post messages!

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Adam CurryAdam Curry

podcasting going over may 10 2024, episode 179 Swiss Army Hello everybody, welcome once again to podcasting 2.0 You are in the boardroom. That's right. This is where it happens, where we discuss everything that's going on with podcasting. We run with scissors, sometimes the Poklonnaya out, but for sure we are the only boardroom that lets

you control the soundboard. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the man who brings over 160 years of in house experience saying hello to my friend on the other end, the one and only Mr. Dave Jones.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Those stats always cracked me up. Like what does

Adam CurryAdam Curry

that prove at all? We're discussing some marketing message from some company that has rediscovered that chapters. Oh, there it is.

Dave JonesDave Jones

It Wait, is this the new Haley Pena?

Adam CurryAdam Curry

You better believe baby this thing is set up and rockin and rollin. Oh, yeah.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Okay, all right. Hold

Adam CurryAdam Curry

on. Hold on. June finish. Yeah. Okay. All right. band ended. Thank you very good

Dave JonesDave Jones

job to show when you have you have configured multiple sounds or

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Oh, yes. i Yes. i Okay. So we talked about this. He didn't work on the lash. I know I did some homework for the show. We talked about this on the last show. Eric peepee. My man, my man, Eric QTP. has upgraded heli pad to become an application. It is the application I am in love with. I

am I adore this thing now. And I And let me explain why. For the uninitiated, when we are using value for value, which if you're listening to show you've probably heard about it, you get one of those modern podcast apps, you can stream any amount of value you want while you're listening to your favorite podcast or from time to time, you can hit the boost button and add a message now numerology has always been a very important thing in the value for value world or as we call it, the

value verse. And why don't I call it the value verse? Yeah. It's the value verse. Okay, the value verse notes, Music is everything, everything in the value verse. And so on no agenda, we noticed, you know, 15 years ago that people like sending in certain amounts, and, you know, then there's, there's like 3333 is there's no 77 777 77 11111, all kinds of different numbers for all kinds of 888.

Dave JonesDave Jones

And by the way, that's Google standard.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

So helipad is an application that you installed. Typically, I think for now, it really, the easiest way to install is if you have an umbrella, or like me, I am using an on Start nine. Now you do need your own node. But you know, once you're in the, in the league of podcasters, that we're in, you know, you got to have your node. And you're not running

Dave JonesDave Jones

your own node. And yeah,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

you're not in the big leagues.

Dave JonesDave Jones

So you're not hosting your own WordPress, right,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I mean, come on. So then you basically get a little webpage and every you can look at the streams coming in. And you know, that's very exciting, because you just kind of watch it, it's like, oh, that's cool, you know, someone's listening, it makes you feel good. You don't need stats, you just look at this, like there's someone out there in the world. And you can usually even see their nickname they put in there and

you can see what app they're using. And you can see that they're sending you value in real time it makes you feel very warm and fuzzy. Now when someone sends you a booster gram you have a separate page and you can see the amount the boost that someone has given you who gave it to you and any message and in some cases on some of the really cool apps you can even reply some some some SATs back if you want so that was working all

fine. You know, I was happy I was happy as a clam. Oh and by the way, export to CSV very important that I use this feature on all of my shows. So I can export I can import as a pivot table. I feel so powerful that spreadsheet the spreadsheet Yeah, yeah and pivot table I mean, who knew I'm you import as as import and excel boom, pivot table, Data tab, Data tab, data tabs, thank you. And you can select by episode and it's really handy if you want to do a boost to gram segment and for

accounting purposes for the IRS. So now it has been so now you have a sent tab. So if you sent somebody some value back you can see that if the boost the streams in the set, but now we have a configuration tab there's a little gear icon gear icons are to be clicked on.

Dave JonesDave Jones

And it's the first thing you do as an advanced as a power user

Adam CurryAdam Curry

power user. So I'm just going to explain what I'm seeing. So there's three tabs now that show up Jen Roll numerology for 300 and web hooks now we start with general. So first, I can now already change what my helipad is showing, I can show the split percentage calculated when it comes in, I can show the SATs received that I actually receive rather than

the total boost amount. I don't like that one because I'd like to see the whole or you can also say, don't show anything from the riffraff if it's below a certain amount like yeah, 100 sets new I'm not going to display you your floor, he says a floor exactly then you have sounds put in play a sound whenever new boost is received. Well, we've had that for a while. That's the everyone has knows this sound. That's the sound that that we have the channel open when someone boosts

us. And then you can also change that and use a custom sound for for that new boost. Now we go to the numerology tab, this is where it gets very exciting. Numerology is what I was just talking about. And there's already a pre populated list of some of the most exciting boost donations that we know of with their associated emoji. So for instance, a row of ducks shows you a couple of ducks on the page. I mean, it's just a fun little thing, you know, is it's just so you have a visual cue,

oh, it's a row of ducks. So 12222 comes in, you can say, ah, row of ducks. And it's populated with a lot of numbers that are already fan favorites. Now, in addition to fan favorites, I like in my exponent, I'm Eric VP, doing I'm doing you solid, bro,

Dave JonesDave Jones

this is this is like this is marketing, you would pay for it. Yeah.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

And by the way, people nothing will will fire off while I'm in setting. So hold off. You don't want to do that. Because for some reason that doesn't work LPP I consider that to be above. But now, so you can add your own numbers. And in addition to that, you can add your own emojis. And you can also add sounds. So, for instance, as a reasonable test number I added to the already existing 808 which in the world of podcasting 2.0 and 15 year old boys is known as the boob

donation and the emoji is to eight balls. So when you send me a boob donation, you hear that little jingle which you heard, which is today boobs. So I have also configured some other amounts which have secret sounds, which I'm not going to tell you about. So if someone hits one of those, and I have 12344 Secret sounds, which are no numbers, numbers known to me and people have used these numbers before, they're not tiny. I'll give you a little hint. Because I don't want to be

interrupted the whole time. Yeah.

Dave JonesDave Jones

So can you give a range? Like what are the what are the secret numbers between? Well, they're imaginary match,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

there is one number that is only three digits. And that has a sound, there's one so I figured I'd leave a secret number download for people to figure that one out. It's a beautiful number. That's all I'm gonna say the low rollers for the low rollers. Now, if you are a little bit higher in nature, I have one that Sam Sethi has done before. So they have a sound for that. And then I have some some that we have mentioned. But then there is also a baller boost, I mean, you can just imagine where

that'll be. So if anyone feels like trying that out, please be my guest during the during the course of this program. And because those numbers when you boost that amount you wish it should interrupt our flow. But the same we want to be interrupted. Yes. Now the thing that I am jet jet jacked about is the web hooks. Because now based upon a certain number, or any number or anything you want to do, really, you can have something happen in the internet realm. I call this sets as a

Service says yes, says the service that says a service. And so I'm not I don't know how to do web hooks. I'm not going to bother Dave about web hooks. I understand what they are, you know, there's a server you gotta have a server and it's got to have a token and fine. All that's fine. I will put a SATs as a service in my split in all my splits, if you can give me something that will post on Mastodon, something that will that I can connect to an IRC chat, if you will give me

something that will go to a leader board. Oh, and here's an idea. I want it to go to my SMS. If someone sends me 100,000 SATs, I want to get an SMS text message. I hear that all the rage

Dave JonesDave Jones

is to hook up With Buzzsprout I think they know how to do that.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

No, I'm not. That's just because it's basically cross app comments.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, please do you want,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I'm gonna reach through this microphone and pull your head right out of my headphones. No, it's not basically cross app comments. It's a link in your show notes. No, no, I'm talking about a sophisticated SATs as a service. So I

Dave JonesDave Jones

apologize for trying to rile you up early in the show. Yeah,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

that's all right. I listened to pod news weekly review. I got riled up. But I think this is this is the application that really I mean, the sky is the limit on things

we can do with boosting certain numbers. And I would be so happy to put people into my value block split to have certain services available to me that I can then configure that's why I call it SATs as a service that I can configure that something happens in the real world I like that you know, guys got lights and smoke machines going off on a new video so that's not going to be that's not going to be that that useful for me. But I would love to needed

Dave JonesDave Jones

some What do you need a some sort of like a, like a servo or something that's triggered that will poke Phoebe in the in the, with a pencil or something?

Adam CurryAdam Curry

No, I got one of those zappers she just barked. I got one of those collars. You know there'll Zapper? Oh, you don't know, I hadn't put that on her in a year. And I only use the vibrate function. I don't use the electricity function. By the way, I recommend everybody use only vibrate and not the electricity function. Agreed I agree with him. But I would love to receive a text message. Which I think is pretty easy to

configure from my on my own on my own SMS. You know, just so Hey, someone just just sent this to you so I can immediately go in and thank them. I would love if someone sends a baller boost. I would like to my account on Mastodon to post Wow, look at this. I just got a baller boost from Papa Papa for episode Papa papa. Join the fun. It's awesome. You're a loser if you don't have this, too. I mean, that's that's the kind of stuff I'm looking at. I mean, it's kind of like I want to If This

Then That for helipad, I guess is what I'm saying? Or maybe even better make a web hook for if then If This Then That.

Dave JonesDave Jones

They probably support that already. I would think that they wouldn't do like Zapier. Zapier. Zapier. The if in IFTT, like I would think that they already support those sorts of web hooks.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I think Chad f actually, I think Chad F sent the right one but it didn't fire right. Either that or I didn't hear it.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Or you know, a chat F try that one again.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Oh, sorry.

Dave JonesDave Jones

If you if you send the right thing, it takes a picture of you with your webcam and post it to Mastodon

Adam CurryAdam Curry

that's a great idea. Or take a picture never

Dave JonesDave Jones

know when it's gonna be. Yeah, that's

Adam CurryAdam Curry

a fun idea.

Dave JonesDave Jones

I like it. It may catch you picking a big booger out of your nose or something. I mean, like, he knows all kinds of fun things could happen.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Eric BP tried to small boobs. No, no brother. That was too obvious. Now. I don't know. I wonder if this is what I'm always afraid that you know, like, now we do this experiment and then something fails. And it doesn't work. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it worked fine. It worked fine earlier, but I don't know. I wonder if I need to have the page in the foreground sometimes. You know, you got to wonder about stuff like that. I

Dave JonesDave Jones

wouldn't think I don't think so. Maybe. Did you did you close out of the settings and you're now back into the

Adam CurryAdam Curry

back into the back into the wallet see chat chat apps and he's resending it. So let me see if I may have misconfigured it you know, no, I mean, sometimes

Dave JonesDave Jones

in order to get you click on Interact, yeah,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

no, I did that. And we heard one. Okay, no, that's true. There we go. Blades on am Paulo Sam Sethi. 101010 Thank you very much. He's the big baller testing the soundboard BAM he nails it. Anything over 100,000 SATs that's how I programmed it beautiful Sam. Thank you. He says boost testing the soundboard. Oh, so

Dave JonesDave Jones

this is ah okay. So you see how it works. You can you don't have to have an exact amount you can say you can use ranges. We have Boolean logic.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Boolean. Yes, I can be equals so I just did anything above 100,000 You have equal to you can oh there it is. There it is. Chad F got the lucky 777 That's right. That was the lowball number. He nailed it now.

Dave JonesDave Jones

It's gonna get out of control.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

And I only put it You win. So, good luck, everybody I love everyone's like sending huge amounts now. I gotta get this. Like, do

Dave JonesDave Jones

you remember that? You remember the lightning goat feeder? Yes. This

Adam CurryAdam Curry

is exactly it is very similar.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yes to go feeder.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

This is awesome. I don't use that word. Lightly. This is absolutely awesome. I just think this is just so our guest is already trying to figure it out. And I mean, I could I could have configured this thing all day long. I didn't because we'd never get anywhere. We just did we just be doing this the whole time. By the way, Sam, that's not the number you typically boost. But thank you. That's not the one I was thinking of. Thanks for the thanks for the mega boost the

baller boost. Yeah. So this is

Dave JonesDave Jones

nice, nice, very nice. But you know, he wished it to a different framework. So like we were using like a, like a home rolled framework that I originally took out of some example code. And that's the back end for all of these different things, the bridge helipad. Lots of different stuff. And MK Ultra instead then he took he re engineered it with using the axon framework. Oh, and as I think I think that's a good thing. And I'm actually going to back sort of backport

that over to the other to the other projects that use it. Pod ping uses

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Sam Sethi 10,000 SATs. Okay, there we go. All right, everybody.

Unknown

That's so that's a little baller.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

You got a short baller. Yeah, you got a 10,000 bucks short baller. Yeah, exactly. I mean, this is great. So much can be done with this. But also now you can have leaderboards I mean, it doesn't just have to fire off, you know, little events, it could add to a leaderboard. You know, based upon I guess an you know, you could have other inputs so you

can do voting. I mean, the web hook part is just just genius a bit and we will remember we were talking about how can we rapa phi all of this stuff all these cool things that people are making? Well this is the way this is the way this is it and and it's it's free software

Dave JonesDave Jones

if you if you send in like if you send enough sets you'll it'll trigger your Mastodon account to follow that person.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Yeah, why knife or follows or whatever? I mean, or you know, a call back so literally, you know, like, my phone will ring and it'll be calling you. I'm down for I can I can go on for days thinking about this. You know, like you boost this 200,000 SATs will make Bitcoin go up again. Not right now. Massive, massive crash.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Oh, man, this is read. I love this. It. It

Adam CurryAdam Curry

brings. Okay, so many people are kind of comparing it to twitch. Yeah, in a way. But this is so much better. I mean, it's a million times better. And by the way, wouldn't my podcast host want to offer some of these? Some of these callbacks, some of these web hooks?

Dave JonesDave Jones

Well, if you're running a look, okay, so if you're running a local, I'm just thinking through this. If you run out a local web server on on localhost, you could run it on a custom port, and then set the web hook to call localhost. And then you could have your own machine. Do all kinds of things like OBS like trigger OBS, like OBS overlays. Oh,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

hello. What's that? What's that thing I gave you?

Dave JonesDave Jones

Oh, no, the stream the stream deck.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Hello stream deck trigger stream deck. Switches. Yeah,

Dave JonesDave Jones

yeah, you could say trigger a stream deck button, which throws something up on throws the ball. That

Adam CurryAdam Curry

would be even better if we could do if we could do MIDI events. There you go. Eric. PP. Have a nice weekend. MIDI MIDI events. Oh, I've got tons of MIDI stuff to fire off. My whole system works on MIDI that they call Yeah. You could even mute me.

Dave JonesDave Jones

No, no, I veto this. But I

Adam CurryAdam Curry

like it because it's a total git clone. Oh, chimp. Interesting. That day, Jim should have fired I think. Okay, Eric VP has already identified a bug. So what is it? Well, okay, so if, if a sound has just fired, then you know, and another another fire comes in. Too soon after that. It does. I think you should have you should have gotten one chimp I'm not sure. I'm not sure what happened there.

Dave JonesDave Jones

So it can't. The browser can and play two simultaneous sounds. Yeah,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

well, he's actually exempted. And depending on how much padding there is in each sound file, it could mess it up. All right, well, because chimp said 22 222. And I think I set that up as a row of ducks. Okay, but that didn't fire. Well, I feel bad about that. But anyone can try it again, if you want. Feel free. This is this is what we call ultimate gamification

Dave JonesDave Jones

is Yeah, I think the local I think the local host thing is a good a good idea. That's a pretty good idea. Yeah. That actually makes me want to write die.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Happy. Have a great weekend, everybody.

Dave JonesDave Jones

You know what I mean? Like, of course, they could like just be like bridge bridge, some calls over to, then you wouldn't even really even need a token or anything, because it's all local.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Right? But I'm just as happy to have you know, a service that I don't have to worry about. If it crashes, you know, I mean, it's easy. Or how about this? Added? What are you drinking?

Dave JonesDave Jones

This is a Lacroix pure.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I didn't expect that from you. But here's what you

Dave JonesDave Jones

can drink. Oh, this. You spent me you speed me to go stronger?

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Show beer show beer?

Dave JonesDave Jones

No, that would be a bad show. Chocolate. But

Adam CurryAdam Curry

this, you know, I just love SATs as a service. I think it'd be fantastic. Just let me hook into anything. Oh, you know me. I'll put anybody in the split. Like,

Dave JonesDave Jones

oh, yeah, me at least sometimes we have people in the split that weren't even there were guests like three weeks three weeks ago.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Hey, man, thanks for the value. What we appreciate that. Speaking of value, now was as a couple of things we got to talk about, certainly in relation to publisher feeds. And and we may want to bring our guests in before we do that, since he's a data scientist. But at first I wanted to someone pointed this out to me, the term value for value is just I mean it, I love how it's become its own thing. And it's just out

there in the universe, and people are using it. And the most interesting people all of a sudden, use this term now for multiple reasons. Or maybe they see it or whatever it is that the concept is out there. And it's not tipping. So someone pointed me to an interview that Megyn Kelly was doing with Roseanne Barr, Roseanne Barr, it's, it's a wacky interview, for sure. But then this

Eric NantzEric Nantz

there isn't like just a few families that should own everything in the world. There isn't. That's true. And and, and they're so stupid. Like you said, luckily, they are stupid, because arrogance always accompanies ignorance. That's what Torah says. They're always the same two sides of the same coin. And they undo each other, let's hope. And so their arrogance is such that they've actually made with their greed

and their whatever they do in their bubbles. And they're bursting bubbles and making more bubbles in their scams and fraud. They've actually made money obsolete and it's worthless. Now, that's just great. That's my optimistic sign of the future because that is the dream of the end of debt slavery that's leaving Egypt. That is the dream of humanity. It's so great, and it's crumbling. And they're being exposed, and it will be replaced with a better system that works

for human beings, all human beings. And it'll come from us and our intelligence, because we have the will and the means and all the technology to do that. Without money but with something else. Value for value. Yeah.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

How about that, huh? From Rosie? Roseanne Barr.

Dave JonesDave Jones

She's a she's a wacky bird. She's

Adam CurryAdam Curry

interesting. Yes. She's definitely different. Yes. Outlet agreement is.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, I mean, I never expected her to go value for value. I'll take it. Yeah. Let's bring

Adam CurryAdam Curry

in our guests Dave because this is an interesting person. All of our guests of course are interesting persons. But this is not the the tradition of interest. It's a person Yes. Yes. Please welcome our guests in the boardroom and a person of interest say hello to the podcasting. 2.0 data scientist, Eric nonce everybody.

Eric NantzEric Nantz

Hey, great to be here.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Eric is a dancer Dance,

Eric NantzEric Nantz

dance. So

Adam CurryAdam Curry

you gotta dance. Okay, when I kind of I kind of flubbed the last

Eric NantzEric Nantz

one be the first time Eric Where

Adam CurryAdam Curry

are you calling him from brother? Where are you right now?

Eric NantzEric Nantz

I'm based in the midwest of America here in Indiana.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

My wife's stomping grounds were in Indiana. Carmel to be exact. I don't don't know where that is

Eric NantzEric Nantz

actually, that's just about like half hour north of the Indianapolis area. Okay. And she

Adam CurryAdam Curry

says she was from Northwest Indiana, which was I think at one point South Chicago is there a place called South Chicago in Indiana.

Eric NantzEric Nantz

Maybe close to Gary, Indiana as well.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

She lives right across the tracks from Gary, Indiana. I always say oh, yeah, you're from Gary girl. Go away. You're from Gary. P like I did not live there for anyone who doesn't know you don't want to live there. Yeah,

Eric NantzEric Nantz

I passed by it a few times. Roll up the windows when

Adam CurryAdam Curry

you go past Gary, Indiana,

Dave JonesDave Jones

like the poster child for deindustrialization for anyone

Adam CurryAdam Curry

that's accurate. It also gave us the Jackson Five so you know there's there's good things different Gary. Yeah. Gary, Indiana. Yeah.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Oh, I didn't know that. Interesting. I've heard that Bloomington is like beautiful. Yeah, it's not wrong about that. No, it's

Eric NantzEric Nantz

It's nice there.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Cuz I always my only picture of Indiana. I drove through it one time. And it was it's flat with corn.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

That is everything. There's corn. Yes. Carl state of corn. They all like coffee. I like Khan. Do you like Khan?

Dave JonesDave Jones

That N button I heard. But then somebody told me that Bloomington is there's no corn there? It's all there's all campus down?

Eric NantzEric Nantz

Yeah, a bunch of trees in campus town. That's accurate. Yep.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Sorry. So you're you're the you're the the you're the date resident data scientist of Indiana headed. So you're you primarily work? Yes. A couple of things. You primarily work in the R language and you have a podcast about our That's

Eric NantzEric Nantz

right. Yeah, I've been doing it. Well, I've did a first version of this. Way back in 2011 2012. Midway that one's been on hibernation I've been using our ever since my dissertation days in grad school, because I've literally saved my dissertation or as I'm whenever I graduated. So I've been hooked ever since. But yeah, Tuesdays are my day job and my hobbies too. But

Dave JonesDave Jones

you had so you had a previous podcast about it. And then you know, you've got to you've resurrect so used to have Yeah, is that what you're saying? You have an old one. And now you have a new?

Eric NantzEric Nantz

Yeah, basically, the old one was called Dr. Podcast, that's my nickname on on the social areas. But then I kind of had a little pod fade here and there. And now I do something every week about community. So I called our weekly where we basically it's a community driven newsletter, the share all the awesome happenings and tutorials, new packages and all the latest developments in the our ecosystem.

Dave JonesDave Jones

How do you think that like? So for some add purposely? I didn't know anything about our and I don't? And I purposely did not do any research, because I wanted you to tell me what it is in like in your language rather than me just gonna read a bunch of Wikipedia.

Eric NantzEric Nantz

Yeah, absolutely. It's, you could say it's a language that isn't a real traditional programming language in the sense that this was actually created by statisticians over a university in New Zealand, way back in the in the mid 90s. And admittedly, it's got its own quirks

regarding object going and programming in light. But it's literally the home to almost any statistical method you could ever see in the literature or other research, you'll find in our package for one way or another, by I would say within the last probably 10 years or so, especially in the last five

years. We can use R and all sorts of places, whether it's machine learning AI, you know, visualizations, I can build interactive web applications, like a build fancy dashboards I'm gonna be talking about a little bit soon, you can hook it up to just about any other language as well, like Python, JavaScript, anything like that. So it's a great way to unify a lot of different statistical concepts together. But once you get the hang of it, it's it's hard to go back at least in my opinion,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

have you been using it in the podcasting 2.0 realm?

Eric NantzEric Nantz

Well, my first venture in this was, if you recall, maybe it was a year and a half ago, I created a little package called pod cat pod indexer, which is basically a front end to your fancy podcasting 2.0 API, so that we

got that, you know, front and center there. So as an API, where there's my first pass, but now I'm using it artists way to visually analyze the podcasting index database with a bunch of our database packages and some of the algorithms we'll be talking about a little bit with duplication and visualization and may not those fancy tables, which are one of the packages inside so there's almost nothing I can do with it. You just have to find the right package for it.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

It's what she said. Oh, yes. Sorry. So

Dave JonesDave Jones

I'm 50. So if you got so if you have the right, let's see, if you have, you know, of course, I've been looking through the dashboard and everything. I feel like this could be benefit is obviously beneficial to us. And so the, for our own needs only URL is our podcast.github.io/pod-db.dash. And it is obviously helpful for us. But I wonder, also how helpful you think this type hindlimb is having a hard time articulating them as we can

tell. So I guess what I've always wanted is, is certain things out of the out of the index, certain types of data, and that are hard to necessarily quantify. So things like it's easy to look and say, Okay, well, how many? It's easy to do just basically basic table searches, you know? Sure. You just say, Okay, how many feeds are dead? How many feeds have published an episode in the last 30 days? I mean, that that's

just kind of like, the low hanging fruit. But it seems like there's, when you have a database, this large of all the public podcasts, you could, you could mine out some data, if you knew the right, you know, algorithms to to apply. It seems like you could mine out data that will be useful for everybody to find sort of new insights about things that we're that we're not getting, do you kind of see what I'm saying.

Eric NantzEric Nantz

But absolutely, I'm tracking with that. And I think one of the things that I haven't done very much yet is looking at kind of a longitudinal, you know, sense of what's changing every week or what are what are the newest feeds being under and and how's that compared to say, a year ago, and maybe then, you know, things like that, which I'm not haven't built in yet in terms of this interface. But I think that could certainly be done. I just have to archive each of these in a in a snapshot

kind of manner. But I've seen others on on the on the podcast, index social, do these nice line charts of like, the podcasts, adopt the value for value or time splits inside? Yeah, we're gonna start getting into some of that, too.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

What was the one that I just saw, which I really liked a lot. Hold on a second. I'll bring it up. That was our, our statistician. That was one second up, Ron Plouffe.

Eric NantzEric Nantz

Yeah, that's really cool. Yeah. Ron

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Plouffe posted on May 9 2023 89. Feeds had the medium music tag attention. James Cridland appears it and here's a news item for you. One year later, there are 3031 Medium music tag feeds in the index.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, and there's also he posted last week, there are now over 20,000 value for value

Adam CurryAdam Curry

value fees. Yep, exactly. I saw that, too.

Dave JonesDave Jones

What? So that's what you mentioned is something that I was thinking about earlier today. Actually, I don't I don't remember what I heard that was triggering that but I was thinking I was thinking about, it really would be helpful to find out, like on a per host basis. Which feed like, what the new feed creation volume is and see it go up and down. Yeah,

Eric NantzEric Nantz

I like that idea.

Dave JonesDave Jones

You know, because it because it's, it's helpful, because you don't know. You just get these real general vague stats from the industry about you know, you know, $2 billion, and podcasts and just this kind of stuff that's like, okay, and then you look at, you look at OPI three data, which have been, I was looking through the other day. And one thing I saw about it was, it's real interesting. If you compare the downloads, to over 30 days to the, quote, unique listeners over 30 days,

sometimes there's a huge skew between those two. Sometimes it's close sometimes it's really out of whack. Is that I can't think that guy got me thinking what you know, it would be really cool if you could if you could just sort of visualize like you said changes over time. It what would you need me to give you in order to like do things like that would you need like full database access?

Eric NantzEric Nantz

And wouldn't hurt

Dave JonesDave Jones

yeah, don't have that labor right

Adam CurryAdam Curry

access to give them right x. Table, give them a table, go for it.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Because we had we actually have that there's a couple of people who need like Spurlock has access to the full week, like the full database dump. This got all the episode data and all that kind of stuff. It's so big, it's like 200 gigs worth of data. So I don't make it public. But like, we could hook you up with stuff like that, if you wanted to mess around with it.

Eric NantzEric Nantz

Oh, that'd be really cool to start turning loose on some of these other ideas that we've been talking about I've been doing is about as much as I got in this initial password, the sequel lite database every week, that's backed up, but I could definitely turn up another notch with that access. Because

Dave JonesDave Jones

the other downside to the weekly database download is it gets only dumping out feeds that are that haven't been marked as dead. And so you never see the stuff that you'd never kind of see what disappeared. Boucher. Well, I mean, I guess you can if you are like look compared to comparisons, like a diffs. week to week, but but it's a lot easier if you have like the full thing where you see all the all the dead and living podcast at the same time.

Eric NantzEric Nantz

Yeah, yeah, maybe getting back to Money or points on this. I've certainly built this with with you all in mind first, because a member and I know the build up to this, I've heard you the moment the duplicate issue, which I'm not sure if we can both be solved yet. And my initial pass, but at least we got more insights into it. But anything to help this project kind of keep going and greater levels. I know a lot of the consumers of the database or the podcast app authors would

rightfully so. But is there any other ways that we can help you all out with, you know, analyses, Eva, I've seen the chat, maybe looking at tag usage or things like that, you know, I'm really happy to turn loose on some of this stuff.

Dave JonesDave Jones

I love the sort of unapologetic, like the Virat the veracity of what you're, you're you're basically like a, I analyzed your database. And here's all the problems. Which is like, it's, it's actually great, because that'll you don't get to see that side of your own work sometimes. And like out of the because when I looked at, like the data quality tab, out of 12 different points of data quality, we have green checks on three of them.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Were numbers three,

Dave JonesDave Jones

we suck is basically they want us to hear this.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I wonder if I have a jingle for that I can hook up

Dave JonesDave Jones

with. So what, like if I go to the Data Quality tab?

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Oh, hold on a second. I think I have it, please.

Dave JonesDave Jones

There you go. Yeah, that's, that's what should play when the data quality is below eight.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Yes.

Eric NantzEric Nantz

I'm guessing I'll never be on the boardroom again, after all this, but we're

Dave JonesDave Jones

looking through here. So you have non missing podcast good. So if I'm understanding this, okay, so says out of the out of all the database records that were scanned, 4,180,757 there's 160 that don't have a good,

Eric NantzEric Nantz

that's right.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Wow. And, um, which is kind of which was weird to me, because all the podcasts good to get generated when they're ingested. In which is so odd that there's any that number should be zero?

Eric NantzEric Nantz

I remember when I was asking you on the Macedon before about, you know, what kind of fields I should be looking at. And we always said podcast good was one that we should always expect to be there. And that was a shock to me, too, that that basic check turned up with something above zero. So I think are those just building upon this that would illuminate these other issues that admittedly, you would never be able to predict, right? It's just the way the primes work, I guess.

Dave JonesDave Jones

And then they get unique podcast good values. So the failure there is that there's 25,000 records that clash.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Just going crazy on the soundboard today. I'm sorry.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Thank you for making me feel better about muscle.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Therapy, David's therapy. It's good for you. It's good for you.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Hello, I'm Dave and I have missing podcast.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Hello, I'm Dave. I'm a DB admin. Hello, Dave.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Non missing content hash. Okay. There's 16 Was this happen? Yeah. Okay. All right. How do I get this data back that you've sort of assembled here? Sure. Okay, so now I know. Now I know that I have 160 podcast records with missing Gu IDs, right? How do I get that back out of your dashboard in a programmatic way where I can, like, do actions on that without having to manually do things? Well,

Eric NantzEric Nantz

he can. Yeah, I mean, that's there's some I can

try to build in. But at the minimum, you see, if you expand that table, there's a link that says, download full extract, that's a parquet file, if you want to get those records for yourself, and at least in the manual way, but there's certainly ways I could, you know, maybe beat this up a bit to offer some kind of hook to the download these based on like, I have what's called a step ID for each of these, where you see that assessment, and it says, like I said, Not missing

podcast good, I got a bunch of metadata associated all this, I just need to find a way to programmatically expose it to

Dave JonesDave Jones

what's what is a parquet file? What is that? Isn't

Adam CurryAdam Curry

that he's jumped over stuff. And over walls and stuff. A park is a Parkour, parkour, I'm sorry,

Dave JonesDave Jones

park a. Park a is the butter is the fake butter. Yeah,

Eric NantzEric Nantz

yeah, I'm getting hungry again. But um, in any event, this is a newer format, probably in the last like three years or so that's trying to be like an interoperable format for multiple languages to store tabular data. So it's definitely not great for huge nested JSON data. But for relational data, like we're seeing here, you can import these pretty efficiently with something called the arrow project. Also the duck DV database that you may be hearing about some and using this as a

source file. So there's a lot of cool things you can do with parquet, I just wanted to give it an A semi neutral format for downloading it. I admit I'm peeved by CSVs. I deal with them way too much at work, and they drive me nuts. I want to try something different with this DVD

Dave JonesDave Jones

that you're giving me like, I'm writing like a magnet, you give me so much here to have that. I don't know that have to go look up. Give me work.

Eric NantzEric Nantz

Oh, yeah, I'm here to help. Right? I'm just here to help, I'm honest. But the duct TV things really interesting, though, because I'm not sure how much you're up on something called WebAssembly. For some of these applications online, they're hooking duck DB into this, we're in theory, if I could really update this thing to like another level, I could have most of the database as like inside the app itself, be a duck DB and still get great performance out of it. I haven't

had time to really hook that in yet. But it's I'm really watching if we end up having to do a lot more in this kind of framework for further analysis. Okay,

Dave JonesDave Jones

so you're saying that you're saying this duck DB is like a connector? For like a but it's a binary connection to a database in the WebAssembly?

Eric NantzEric Nantz

Yeah, it can be used in anywhere, not just WebAssembly. But we're seeing a really take off. And in the realm of data science, he says, Oh, interesting. Yeah.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

We are deep inside the DB. I just can't resist.

Eric NantzEric Nantz

I was waiting for that.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

You're sexy man. Do you? Are you a data scientist during the day as well as your day job?

Eric NantzEric Nantz

Yeah, I mean, that's still technically called statistician. But it's all the same thing these days. But yeah, at the at the day job. I'm at a life sciences company. The title is a director of innovation in our innovation center advanced analytics. That's a mouthful. Wow. But

Adam CurryAdam Curry

you get chicks with that. Oh,

Eric NantzEric Nantz

I got one year. We didn't need a grad school. So there's our score.

Dave JonesDave Jones

I like the term I love I use the term non missing. That's like a net, you negate it, instead of saying, here's the missing ones. Like, here's not here's the non missing ones. Yeah, that

Eric NantzEric Nantz

one literally rolls off the tongue for me. Because at the day job, I have to do this all the time with the data, we collect and figure out what's missing. What's missing at random what's missing because of other reasons. There's all sorts of stuff I have to do there.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Let's see. Yeah, pit pages, like, like, if you want to make John Spurlock drink alcohol, just send him to this to the Data Quality tab on the podcast index dashboard.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Hey, you should you should run your stuff against the Opie three as well. That'll be fun.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Oh, that would be fun. Yeah.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Can't you run queries against our database and op three at the same time and come up with something useful?

Eric NantzEric Nantz

Sky's the limit right.

Dave JonesDave Jones

The LCD you could Yeah, I was thinking about that about hella bad to be caught.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Oh, I'd love to have some a I'll pay you for that. I'll give you a split. Yeah, Ron is that Hello, Pat has all kinds of data, it's really as good, especially on the streams part, which we can't. I mean, it really can't do much. I mean, there's just so much data that the spreadsheet goes what

Dave JonesDave Jones

how big is your spreadsheet now? Like when you export for, for our show? Is it getting cuz I do worry about that I do worry that at some point the hell up had in database is gonna get so big that it's going to start to struggle.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

You want me to look at the database? I don't know. Like

Dave JonesDave Jones

the the spreadsheet is sort of a reflection of the database of the SQLite database that backs up Ella pad.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Yeah, I did an export a while back of everything was like I think I did 2023 I'll see if I can find that and see what that because that's that's not that's all of my shows.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah. Oh, yeah. You run everything in the same Hello, passerby that,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

well, that is not the way to go. I mean, that's, that's the beauty of helipad is that you can have one wallet, this was telling Darren O'Neal, you can have one bay, basically one wallet address, use that for all of your incoming streams and payments. And then you want to see how stuffs doing well, then you just run a helipad export. You can see what's going on, let me see if I can find it. See if I can find that I know I stored it somewhere.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Somewhere. RF is are flexible enough? I mean, it sounds like it started off as a static is a a statistician language. But then it evolved into something more general purpose. Like is it general purpose enough to write just like a podcast app and or something like that?

Eric NantzEric Nantz

I thought about it. I mean, in fact, I've been toying with my websites that I do for my older podcasts. And one of my video things called the shiny developer series, I had actually leveraged a package that hooked up to the Hugo

static site engine. And I was toying with the idea of with some XML or RSS packages of maybe as a test using our to literally produce the XML feed, and then publish that dynamically the object storage and seeing how far I could get have an 80% of the way there, but it's like a mix of our in Python things. So there's, I would not be surprised if I could build a shiny app that is a very bare bones like podcast app, I'm sure it's possible. So

Dave JonesDave Jones

they there's a thriving like our package, package ecosystem there that has a lot of libraries that you can tap into.

Eric NantzEric Nantz

Absolutely, there's at least 25,000 packages and our package repository called cran, which is called the Comprehensive our archive network, which is kind of similar if you see pandas, so you found exactly the words on my mouth. But then that's not counting all the ones that are just on GitHub, or Bitbucket or other git lab. Others that they just don't want it to be on cran. But they still want people to install. So there's like 1000s of others just in that

space alone. And we cover like I said, almost any area you can think of there's typically a package for it. Oh,

Dave JonesDave Jones

well, that. Speaking of speaking of object storage, and this is I don't know if if y'all had heard about this, but have you heard of denial of wallet? Oh, no, that sounds bad. This is sort of a new class of, of attack that you spent, I don't know if it's across all object storage providers. But I know it definitely applies to AWS, you can have so you still get charged for puts for AWS Object Object Storage put

operations even if they fail. So basically some use somebody can just flood a bucket of yours with failed puts and rack up 1000s of dollars in charges if on an open bid even if the buckets and even if the buckets private I don't know if there's been any effective way to stop this yet. But if you just basically just get if you get targeted you just have to have an uncomfortable conversation with with Amazon and beg them to

just you know killed the charges for you. Some of the what something to watch out for some that have something to keep in mind and watch out on your bill. Yeah, that's right. Cotton, Jen, the attacker that yeah, they don't even have to be an AWS customer. All they all they need is just some sort of library for object storage, like even s3 CMD or something like that. And it doesn't matter if you've got all the prior OSI turned on just

that just millions and billions of failed. Put transactions to the object storage will rack will incur cost on your AWS bill.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

2020 nightmare 2022. heli pad spreadsheet is 15 Meg's.

Dave JonesDave Jones

15. Meg's that's not No, it's not bad.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

And let me see how many rows that is. Well, that's 2022. And it's 99,468 rows.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Oh, that's not that's bad

Eric NantzEric Nantz

enough. Yeah, that's,

Dave JonesDave Jones

it isn't nothing. It has been in the back of my mind, I've been worried about how big is this? You know, see, because helipads just a web server on top of SQLite. This syncs with L and D. So I'm like, Well, how big is this database gonna get? I mean, when does it well,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

we have a problem where you really notice it is I had to reinstall. So not just upgrade, but reinstall helipad, and then helipad basically goes through your whole node and, and reads everything in again. And I'd say took about 30 minutes. So but, but it's reading back, you know, to 2022. So it's doing quite a bit there. I'll just, I'll do some work on it. I'll add to this conversation.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Okay, cool.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Can we talk about publisher feeds? Yes. I have a, I have a use case. I have an important use case, which I'd like to talk about. Okay. So I've been invited to speak at the N. RB and the NRA National Religious broadcasts, correct. You nailed it. You nailed it, the knot and total get as it gets out? Well, you nailed it. And that's a big, it's like, you know, it's like the National Broadcasters Association only for Religious Broadcasters.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Which I have nerd.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Nerd a bunch of nerves, which I've accepted. That's in February. But through this, you know, I said, Well, what do you guys really dealing with the end, they had, there's a huge problem. And I think we can solve some of that for them. And I have some people who want to try it with us. And I was thinking that perhaps the publisher feed works in this context. So here's the lay of the land. There are about 3000

religious broadcast radio stations in the US. And, and these stations, as you can imagine, there's some that are doing quite well, but most of them are dying. And when I say dying, you know, they're they're closing, they're off the base that just keeping the transmitters going. And, and they don't even have morning shows their own shows anymore of the, you know, what they do is they're really just selling their airtime. So you have big pastures and then religious

broadcast. Companies that make content and they buy airtime on the stations. And then the programming themselves, they solicit donations, they solicit they do the Ask it's a complete value for value play, there's there are some ads stations with

ad but in general, that's kind of how it works. You have a religious show religion, a religious show, you got to show a faith based programming and view by the airtime on all the stations and then you do your pitch and then people send you the money so you can recycle them back paid back to the stations. So they all know that they have to go digital and the

biggest so all of them have websites. And they'll then put these they'll put the you know there's this some companies that offer like kind of like a web app so you can integrate you know, the programming that you already have and then add your own programming. But the biggest problem of course, is attribution. And that then when I say that it's like, how do they know what station was responsible for somebody signing up or sending a donation in your win right?

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, like Yeah, like because they don't have like a vanity URLs. Yeah, there's

Adam CurryAdam Curry

a whole promo code bond Gino. Okay, so my pitch to the Religious Broadcasters is as follows. And of course you were talking value for value here because you know, and I and I have to say I, I leaned heavily on the look how easy it is on true fans to top up your wallet. You don't even have to mention Bitcoin. You just need to buy five bucks you use your Google Pay or your Apple Pay and you're good to go. So the question is, if I'm a station in Houston, and And I have a publisher feed. Let

me see if I'm explaining this right way. So I would like to say, hey, because of course they have they have their own, you know, the liners that the station runs, yeah, hey, this is k, k God in Houston. And, you know, check out k God on a Euro, your modern podcast app. And you go in there, and they find que God, it's a publisher feed. And this is the way I envision it.

And I just want to know if it's possible. So the publisher feed would then have, you know, Tony Evans and focus on the family and you know, Bill Higgs, and you know, anyone I can think of the ones that they have on their station, but the ones that they have a relationship with Him so that the radio station is essentially saying, Get any podcast app, find k God in your app, and there will be all the stations that we endorse, including, this is my my big pitch, including our new our new

local show, because it's so much cheaper to produce now. Can you have as a publisher, so if I'm Tony Evans, and I have a podcast that is running on K God in that, can I put that in their publisher feed? Can I have multiple? Can I be in multiple publisher feeds if I have an agreed relationship with them? So yes, how is that verified? How was that? How can you check

if someone puts it in and they're not really there? And the second part is, can I then also receive a portion of the value block because these are remote items, so that I automatically get my my VIG, the minute someone donates, and that we don't have to go through that whole rigmarole of buying of buying a piece of my presence in the apps. Does that make sense?

Dave JonesDave Jones

The first part makes sense. I'm not sure I followed 100%. On the second part, whoever did so the first first part first. So the the publisher feeds don't consider there's a difference between the technical implementation in this sort of conceptual implementation. Conceptually, it's meant that it was it was kind of we came up with it. For one, it was it was dreamed up for one reason for one sort of use case, and that was, one person owns multiple podcasts. I know, I

Adam CurryAdam Curry

understand. That was the original idea. But

Dave JonesDave Jones

that, but there's nothing but that's just a concept, it doesn't mean that it cannot be used for other reasons. mean, like, so in this case, in my use case, it doesn't mean as the eggs it also doesn't mean it's the appropriate use. Like, it's kind of both ways. I mean, like it does, can you do it? Yes. Should you do it? I don't know. Like, there may be a better way to do it. Okay, well,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

so the idea is, if we have, basically I'm looking at the publisher feed as a channel, but I also see that local Houston entity is a publisher is not the creator. So now it comes in interpretation of Publisher, but forget about that, because we can make something else if this doesn't

fit. But they're a publisher, they publish in their channel, which should they promote, they actively promote, hey, listen to all these these cool shows in our channel in any podcast app, then you want to go there because we also have our own podcast. And you know, we have special offers, fill in the

blank. So then there has, so what I like about the publisher feed is you have a verification, so that you can check in the original, in this case, Tony Evans feed, you can check that Oh, yes, indeed, they really are a part of this publisher, but they can be part of multiple publishers around the country or around the world.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Okay, so let me see. So you would have Yeah, this is kind of where I've, this I think I understood what you were saying. Because this this is a little bit. It kind of flips what on earth? Conceptually, it flips it around. Yes, it does. It does. It does instead of one publisher, many feeds sort of like mini feeds one, or this is sort of like mini publishers one feed. Like there's so you have Tony Evans feed, who could exist in multiple published Yes.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

And the reason why it's important is because I guess technically the app would verify or something. There's a verifications like oh, okay, these two are indeed connected. Now that connection is done by consensus between those two

parties offline. You know, say hey, you can put us in and we and we will verify by putting in our feed that yes, you are an official publisher distributor radio station, call away you want it Then the critical part, the critical part is when someone sends value, can the station then right away, get a pre arranged split in the value block because they are an approved publisher?

Dave JonesDave Jones

I think what I think what you're saying would work yeah.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

The enthusiasm and the certainty of how you answered that has me worried.

Dave JonesDave Jones

This downtrend. I'm trying to think of downsides before I say, yeah.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

And the reason why I ask is because I have stations, and I have publishers who are very excited about the idea.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Okay, so what I'm thinking of, though, is that, is it appropriate to have? Is that the right thing to do to have a publisher feed for this scenario versus just a playlist?

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Well, this the verification part that I think is important, I mean, I figured could also do it with a pod roll technically. But I don't know. I mean, I like the idea of being able to go into a podcast app and search for k g, O D radio station. And that will be a collection of feeds that that station endorses, and they maintain that list, that list is

verified. So they can just add people who aren't actually verified as as affiliates, because they are going to then as their broadcast towers slowly melt into the mud of climate change, they will be able to promote their channel in the modern podcast apps. Because the thing is, they know they're not getting young people anymore. They know that's over. And so they're trying to fit what do we do with this asset? Well, we

move in because they still want to broadcast. And they still want to keep their local flavor, which is important, which is what radio is good at. So whatever the system is, that's what I need. Because I think there's a huge, particularly as radio is is shifting. And you have Ms. NPR could do this too. But you know, NPR, but they could do the exact same thing with their local stations. They could say, hey, go to Kuku t, this the Austin NPR station. And normally they buy all the all

this programming. So you can hear Terry Gross. Now, they may also have their local shows, and you go to any modern podcast app, you search K UT, and and yes, you can get their local programming, but here is there, boom, there's their channel, there's their publisher feed, whatever we call it, there's that thing. And underneath that it has all these feeds, the value block splits are all set up in the background, and it's

an approved, verified system. So that, you know, they should they they, in a perfect world, the app would only show feeds that are verified through that through that feed pointing back to that publisher, when that when that channel comes up. Wow, have I explained that right?

Dave JonesDave Jones

You're I think what's throwing me off is the value flow part. No. Are you saying that there's value flowing through to the publisher? Yeah,

Unknown

so we're okay. Yeah, automatically,

Dave JonesDave Jones

because the publisher feed itself doesn't have a value blog. There's no reason it can't, but it doesn't have one. Like, as of right now, that wasn't really

Adam CurryAdam Curry

well, I guess. Well, because when I looked at the at the publisher feed spec, they're all remote items. Right? Right. So I could then I'm just presuming I can then say alright, I'm a publisher. I've these are my verified shows. So they're they're they're showing in my feed when someone boosts Can we somehow tie in the value block for that station? For a pre arranged percentage 10% Whatever. Just like we do with value time split doors that they might complicating things too much.

Dave JonesDave Jones

It would be it would be better if the publisher feed had the value blog in it. Yeah. Which there's no reason it can't.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I'm breaking your brain more than Eric I love it. I mean Dobby Das is in the biz rockin in the boardroom saying yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. It's possible. Yes, yes, yes. But I mean, he's way deeper deeper into it than I am. So.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, no, there's a case. Just be clear. There is no But look, there is no reason that a value blog cannot be in the publisher feed. And it should. the only the only thing is right now, that's not going to, that's going to go nowhere. At this point, I mean, this the poster feed stuff is just it's so brand new.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Well, that's why I'm trying to insert everything now. Like, can we change something? Or is there if it needs to be something else? That's okay. The

Dave JonesDave Jones

know the way this stuff is all built? Is this all built on? You know, their, their widgets? You know, they're plugged, they're these pieces plugged together? I mean, the brilliant part of this that Alex came up with was the remote item. Yes, yes. Yes, yes. Which, you know, because once you have that piece, you can just plug things in. And so a publisher feed is just an RSS feed is just a podcast feed. So you can plug

anything in it. But but the what you have to do in order for it to actually function in, in the way you intend, is you have to have app level support? Of course, of course, of course,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I know that so that

Dave JonesDave Jones

when you're listening, it has the app knows to look for these things. Yes. And this, if that's the if that's the case. And you have that, yeah, there's no reason that wouldn't work

Adam CurryAdam Curry

isn't maybe, because I can see so many you even with music, I can see. So I can I understand how publisher feeds work with music. And it's really just terminology, because all versions of the same thing. So in this case, I'm really talking about a distributor feed. And what does that mean? That means that the distributor is promoting actively promoting their channel, their distribution channel, and they have relationship with the feeds that are provided in that

channel. And what I'd like to add to that is that that relationship flows all the way through to value time split, that the apps recognize that so this is the attribution part I was talking about. So if, if k God and Houston is promoting the crap out of their, their, their K God channel in the modern podcast apps, maybe they even do a deal with, with true fans and with fountain and with POD verse, and say, Hey, promote our promote our K God channel, that then people go to the app, they

hit it. And then as they're listening to any of those podcasts in it. So I would presume that you would actually subscribe to the K God distribution channel, one, click subscribe, and you get all of the new episodes from everything. Underneath that now, you could always go and find Tony Evans yourself. But then when, when, when you when you're playing, when you're listening, then automatically a piece goes back to the distribution channel, because they promoted it.

Dave JonesDave Jones

See, this is what okay, this is what keeps bringing me back to the to the idea that there may there may be better than just have this thing be a playlist. This in this sense, because the key God there, they would have just a normal podcast feed. Yeah. And they're going to have and they're going to be put in what they would be publishing is remote items from from Tony Evans feed or all these other feeds. And then they built into that they would have the value

block in the item just directly, right. So go ahead. And then and that's already that's already accounted for, because you really don't need the two way verification in this sense. I mean, the two way verification, because what because what you're doing, you're going to kg ODS feed, they created that feed, and they're not, they're not claiming that they're owned by that they own these other things. They're not making that

claim. That's what the publisher feed concept does. Okay, it could publish with a concept makes an ownership claim, right? The the playlist just makes just makes an assertion that here is I'm giving you a link to this other content. And for that, for

that benefit. I want to get a piece of of the action. Yeah. So if kg Oh, D just has a playlist fee but basically public medium equals playlist one of the playlist categories, then there are a podcast that all is part of what it would be medium because podcast L, they can then have a links to all the to all these content, all this content, and they just controlled the split directly. Okay.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Okay, now just bear with me. I like it. So one last question. Okay, so the remote items, can the remote items, just say any new episode from these feeds or does not have to be items individually to they have to go in and edit and say okay, we want the latest Tony Evans who want the latest this the latest that the latest this?

Dave JonesDave Jones

It could be it would have to be specific. Okay, though, it has to be less specifically identified. But I would think NEC and you know, CMS can be could do that could pull the latest and insert that data in there doesn't sound like a barrier to me. Okay. Alright, guys. We can mark it up, you know, like, like, yeah, we

Adam CurryAdam Curry

need to Jesus feed mock up. And yeah. Yeah, mocking it up would actually be good just wouldn't get our heads around it then. And I wouldn't be pushing this this hard. If I didn't have a real world scenario, and people actually excited about this, who are in trouble? And who, and who want to move to a new realm and have big towers to broadcast and promote this stuff, promote our apps promote value for value

promote the whole thing. And and they want to play? You know, so I really, I'm very interested in trying to make this work.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, I think the the, I just feel like the playlist is the best way. Yeah. Because, you know, Bs, Steven bass, right? Publisher feeds are expecting to be pointing to feeds and not not items.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Which is what I was kind of looking for I was kind of looking for. It's almost like an OPML file, you know, where you subscribe to an OPML. file? And then right, and then you just you get the new episodes automatically, instead of there being a secondary process?

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yes. I think what you're envisioning is a way to make make it sort of easy to syndicate.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Yeah, it was totally about syndication as complete. That's entirely what it is. Because

Dave JonesDave Jones

you, like in your mind, you're saying, Okay, well, I just want to put this feed in here. And then, and then that automatically just gets all the content, right.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

But people subscribe to one feed, the K Gods feed, and then they get all that content when it comes out. And the only, which I know is possible with the publisher feed, even though that's more of an ownership, I get it all. But that's what kind of struck me it's like, wow, this is a cool

way to do it. And then we just want the attribution part, which is the Okay, so when I'm listening to this new episode, which is a remote item comes from some other from the Tony Evans fee, but I'm listening to it in this one feed that I'm subscribed to, then I want the value block stuff to also work as a as a remote as a value time split.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, I'm just concerned about the, I'm concerned about the connectivity not going through correctly on the app side. Was that, like, you sort of like that concept you have have? Is, is intended to be it does exist on the on the app, if they support publisher fees, but it's meant to be loose. You know, it's meant to be like a loose

connection between feeds and their publisher. And what I mean by loose is, I mean, like they don't, you can just you can decide at any time, okay, I'm gonna go find out who the publisher is. Or I'm going to find out which feeds these publisher owns. What you need to do, the thing that you're talking about is sort of a tight coupling. Yeah. Because you're you need a tighter coupling that's more akin to value time

split, yes. Where, where that where the, the content that's being played at any moment really is tied to the publisher. Like it needs to be because money is being sent. And so at any given time, the podcast app needs to know what it's like the exact relationship between these two entities. And I don't and I think that the proper conceptually the proper use for that is a playlists, okay? If there's something about, like, I

don't mind marking this up, I can, I can do that. And if they're in the process, if if we find that there's something that doesn't work, I mean, we can also we can always, you know, add to this bag to make it,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I love it. I love it. Because so I mean, so at least you understand the elements. The idea is radio station has relationship with publishers, whether that's however that is, and for that relationship, that means that they can promote one feed, subscribe to this in your modern podcast app. And I'm envisioning, you know, radio stations blasting out names of apps. Okay. I mean, this is this is where I'm going, I'm going big. And, you know, like the

full monty because it's that is that dire? Really, I mean, they want stupid Adam curry used to come and talk, you know, it was like that, like, oh my god, what m&ms Does he want only red and

green. So you know, they're very desperate, the very desperate big bowl, the ferret desperate to understand how they can move into the digital era with this with this content, syndication method, so that they provide value, but then they right away get a piece of the value instead of this old fashioned buying, you know, then putting they actually have the act, there's a CMS type system called M M boss or something, am B O S, that

does a lot of this distribution stuff automatically. And everyone's sick of it, you know, it's like, we need to move to digital and they don't know how to do it. And but the value there's such huge value for the next 10 years in these towers, broadcasting subscribe to K God on on your modern podcast app. And then all the other stuff we have to fix for them. That's the podcasting. 2.0 part. The end. So that's what I'd like to deliver because it is exactly the same thing. NPR needs, by

the way, whether they're smart enough to realize it or not. Era Yes, though, it's big. It's a really big idea. Well,

Dave JonesDave Jones

okay, so if you look at the podcast namespace and look under the medium tag, in the examples, there's an example. That is basically this, except it's using in this scenario, it's using music as an example. But this is but it's essentially the same thing. Except this would not be a music example, this would just be a podcast example. But it's basically saying podcast is meat. And here is music. L So instead of that, in this scenario would be podcast L.

Yeah. And you would just have a list of of remote items and evaluate Sam

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Seth is in the boardroom and he's saying hey, you know this we do this we this works that Sam you should be boosting that hello what happened? What happened to the income stream Sam used to be boosted ramming that the trigger sound let's mock it up. Dave, you and I will work on this market because that would be some hot stuff, man. Hi, there's no super hot market up Hey, should we take a little break and listen to some music and then we'll come back and talk some more nerd stuff

Dave JonesDave Jones

before we do this? Eric Are you Are you okay?

Eric NantzEric Nantz

I'm good. Yeah. Join us like everyone else.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

All right that track not foreign the band not foreign to podcasting. 2.0 we played them before they are the trusted if you intend to boost during this song please let them know that you heard it on podcasting 2.0 Episode 179 Here's your track for today to trust it and doomsday podcasting 2.0

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Adam CurryAdam Curry

lecture Domesday, the trusted on your podcasting team. Yeah, I love those guys I think are great. Just one other thing because there's another outfit I've been talking to just to get everyone all excited because I'm bringing the Satoshis baby there is a new media startup, probably the best

funded since Axios. Man that like $15 million, I think they already have have raised for this and they're going to be doing a monthly, like big with an audience, this interview type setting with multiple hosts, I mean think I think a rock and roll version of a debate, but not it's not really a debate. And they're going real big with this. And I've been asked to be

an advisor, which as you know, I don't do. But I did say let me stop you before you make some big mistakes because they already Yeah, we're gonna build an app and everybody will watch it on that app. Say you're an idiot. Stop, stop, stop. And then so I laid it all out for with my explained to you all these features you have in your app, we already have that. And it's an all these apps. And then when I showed him the late stuff, they went nuts, like how can I say you can do voting, you

can have all kinds of like, well, this is what we need. This is what we want. So I just want to say I'm working for y'all. I'm working. I'm working. I'm working. I'm working on the railroad all the live long day to to poopoo.

Dave JonesDave Jones

It this is a this is a Todd Cochran level secret company that cannot be named? Not

Adam CurryAdam Curry

yet. No. But within within hours by July, they'll be able to be to be named I mean, I don't want when they have their sizzle reel, then we'll all know what it's about. But I specifically actually I said, Hey, you know, look at all these apps. But if you want to see what's possible, look at true fans. Because if you want to, if you want to see all the stuff that's out there, if you want to see everything that's possible, it's all these features you've been talking about. Here it is,

Dave JonesDave Jones

if you want to see everything that's possible, and some things that are not Yeah,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

some things are completely impossible, but yet the true fans.fm. But, you know, they they just, you know, they they know about a lot of our apps already. And they're just so I just took them away from him with some for some reason. They have this belief that and I'm sure some app company told them this, that they could not get high quality video unless it was native and apps.

Dave JonesDave Jones

I don't know what that means, like, yeah, exactly.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

bullcrap. So they were told, because it's a video, it's a video thing. Yeah, we're told that unless they go with a native app, then they'll never get the high quality video they're looking for. That's total horse here.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Does that. Yeah.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

It says total horse drive that. Yeah, this is totally not true. So that's the level I'm dealing with. But we're working on it. We're

Dave JonesDave Jones

working on it. Yes, you're evangelizing I, of

Adam CurryAdam Curry

course I am. In more ways than one day for more ways than

Dave JonesDave Jones

press the lights bringing them in. That's right.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

That's right. From all nations, all nations.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Do you want to I've got a couple of things on mine. Yes, of course. Do you have. Do you want to talk about the open podcast sinking? yeah that Jack Jack Dorsey's interview about

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I didn't see Jack Dorsey's interview, but I had no idea what you're talking about.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Oh, you did? He did an interview in this in this thing called pirate wires. Okay, that wasn't aware of this outfit pirate wires.com. He just talked a lot about about social media and being way out I mean, I don't know. What do you want to you want to get you want to go? techie want to go nerdy?

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Well, let me let me just let me just say, let me say one thing, I'll say one thing, and then you take it wherever you want to go. But just wanted to discuss the latest Apple ad. That is so controversial, I'd

Dave JonesDave Jones

do this this ad. I don't see why this is such a big deal. It's just a bunch of it's just marketing crap. Ah,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

this is why this is why I wanted to give you my opinion, which as you know, is the most important thing to me. Apple, because you know, as compared to the 1984, the introduction of the Mac, you know, the big brother thrown the sledgehammer through the screen. Apple is known, and the company, the actual DNA of the company, when Steve Jobs was there, and then he went away, and he came back was, it was Steve Jobs was a messianic like figure, Steve Jobs was a creator. And here's

where I'm gonna use that term that he created. He created art, he created beautiful machines. He, he wanted to create things that people could create things, building up a creative creating, making, giving beauty to the world, the culture and Apple is now Satan. Because they went completely destructive. It that shows you that Apple, I'm short Apple, because that shows you the culture inside their company has now become destructive.

That's where that comes from. They showed destruction instead of creation, very telling for me about the zeitgeist, the vibe, the DNA and the soul of Apple has flipped, they have gone dark.

Dave JonesDave Jones

That's an interesting take. Okay, so like, I just saw this as an ad, like every other ad is just like, whatever. I mean, I have I have no reaction to things like this, because I'm like, it's just, it's just marketing me. Like, it's like, scrubbing bubbles in your toilet for your toilet. Like, who cares? I'm just writing psychological take on this that I had not considered. But I've

Adam CurryAdam Curry

been in I've had an advertising agency, these things, they, you know, if they didn't come from within the company, they, especially these aspirational type things. They come from within the soul of the company. And then particularly with an apple, they don't just put these big ads out and put it this a very expensive ad. They come with a lot of approvals. They go through a lot of processes, a lot of people that you know, steering committees, they have to think about it. And

the soul of Apple is now destructive. I mean, this is something that I mean, you know, we once did a Super Bowl ad for Oracle, oh, man, it was it was fields of wheat, and it was beautiful and windmills. And yeah, it was all fantastic. And I know how these things are made and how it gets, you know, Larry Ellison had to be personally involved. And, you know, we had the conceit of the entire campaign, you know, all these fancy marketing words, this stuff only gets through and that

is the soul of the company. And when I started I don't give a crap I don't have Mac stuff anymore. But I don't have an I used to be a big, big Apple fanboy until they screwed up

USB. And but they've always they've always given the this is for the crazy ones, you know, this is the uplifting building and when you show destruction like that, bad marketing is important marketing determines the determines what you are saying about yourself as a company Apple, you know, Apple never said you know, we have the fastest we have the this, you know, it was like, here's what you can do with it. That was it's actually one of the there's a famous video called What is

your why? And I forget the guy who does that. And he uses Apple as as an example. And Apple was so different particularly in the market because let's face it. Apple computers pretty much sucked up until OSX. I mean, there was a lot of issues compared to what else was out there. But it would had such a cool, you know, just had such an incredible Inspirational vibe to have. That's why people who create things create art have

always been drawn to it. But now it's like, no, no, no, you're evil now, anyway, that was just my opinion.

Dave JonesDave Jones

not thought of it in those terms, Simon

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Sinek, I think is the guy's name find your why Simon Sinek

Dave JonesDave Jones

it one thing I've always been interested in is how this sort of goes back to, to your theory about a sort of a dimension, a dimension V type thing where you have where

people read. I mean, we all do this. It's not, it's not any one person ever, humanity does this, we all read the actions of others into our, through our own lens, sure we bring, we bring a worldview or a framework to other people's words and actions, that we then interpret what they have done and said, in a way that makes sense to based on our background and our life

experiences. So we sit, we essentially listen to what people say, watch what they do. And then we tell ourselves a story about what they mean, by do, but what those things mean. And I'm always interested in what the story is that we tell ourselves about these things that that are out there. One thing I used to always enjoy doing is posting a headline, I like these ambiguous. I would read an article. And, and sometimes the headline is ambiguous. It is a it's a thing

that can go either way, like left or right. You know, in sort of, like, either way, and then you just post it. And you see how people react to it. They're like, yeah, or no, or like it's but but really, it's like, if you the intent of the article is one way, but people would read it both ways. So I guess what I'm saying is one thing that I didn't think about with this ad is since people are reading it as the way you said as

destruction. And I mean, clearly that's what it is. But what I mean is I ignored the fact that it got so many people so upset. And that's probably

Adam CurryAdam Curry

a noteworthy occurrence.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, it probably indicates that there's, it's probably a good barometer for the way people's minds are currently in culture. They're afraid. They're afraid of people. They're afraid of corporations, governments, large institutional players, crushing them. People, people feel crushed. People feel like their jobs are going to be taken away by technology. People feel like their dreams are being crushed by the march forward of quote unquote, society. I

Adam CurryAdam Curry

think you're nailing it here.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Total in book because people feel that way. Because that's a sort of prevailing zeitgeist of the way of in everyone's mind. There's a trip there's a says there's a like a permeating trepidation of these sorts of things. You end up with reactions to they're probably overreactions. But their reactions that make sense based on what people already have inside of them. You know, there's a there's a sort of the story that people tell themselves about what they see

now is dark. Because they they expect it to be dark. It that's the way things feel right now. Yeah. And so that I think, yeah, that you I accept your reprimand. Accepted. Yeah, there's there's a there's a Do you know the term actinic actinic? No, it's like, it means like it's the sort of chemical damage that happens when, with like, high energy lie. It's like an ultraviolet damage that happens. It damages and damages like tissue chemically based on light

energy. This feels like that sort of thing. This This feels like an actinic moment where Apple thought they were doing something very cute and very progressive. And very, like, look look at how amazing this is. Yeah. And their own amazement add themselves cause damage. Hmm

Adam CurryAdam Curry

yeah, the meaning of actinic Relating to or resulting from exhibiting chemical changes produced by radiant energy, especially in visible and ultraviolet parts of the spectrum.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, this is this is a, this feels like they feel a sort of they this this radiance that they want to portray is ending up being harmful. This this this portrayal of themselves and their products as soon as amazing and

Adam CurryAdam Curry

they're sad. They're trying to be the light, but they're frying everybody with it.

Dave JonesDave Jones

It fried everybody's brain. Yeah, you know, you know, what else put puts out a lot of light. Nuclear nuclear explosions and lasers are not laser lasers. Yeah, I mean, things that I think there's a point in which light is no longer helpful. It's harmful. Yeah. And I think that their own vision of themselves has become a little too pure.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Also, I feel in general, and Eric fields, but feel free to chime in whenever you want. Since we're doing philosophy corner. I feel in general, that the way the people are feeling today is they are gadget tired. They are tired of gadgets and then tchotchkes that longterm under deliver Amazon Alexa is biz comes to mind, right off the bat, how many people I haven't heard say, not threw that thing out. Me all. I did only set timers for me and I got some other speakers solution

for sound. I think that considering how people are feeling about their pocketbook, you know, the next iPhone, you know, it's like, no, no, it's like, what, what can you really do for me? And, you know, and an AI is not really it, it's AI has the same problem. noster has, you know, nostre is a, just a social network, that doesn't work really well. And AI is just a chatbot that gets it wrong all the time.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, yeah. You know, much as a really fast chatbot for wrong answer. Yeah,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

my sister is in that in that she never ceases. She has heard she got her master's in psychology, but she's an online psychology that they have to ask her the the title like an engineer, basically. And she works for tech companies. And she uses whatever's available, whatever tools for search for shopping sites. And, and so like big ones, like really big stuff. And, and so she's doing a lot of custom MLMs for, for catalog companies. And she says, Man, it's so expensive. And it's but

the companies are also in on it. And even. And I said, Well, you know, I'm waiting for the pivot to quantities. Oh, no, we almost missed that they're already all over at companies want quantum computing for their search and recommendation. And from what she has heard, Google actually has an outrageously good quantum computer that can do exactly that type of search. But by the time you add on all the features, she says is unaffordable. There's no way in hell she says anyone's ever

going to use this stuff because of the affordability. And we're going to run out of computing power and power itself to even see if it works.

Dave JonesDave Jones

So I believe I can believe that. Yeah, for sure that that makes a lot of sense. There's a general fatigue. There's a tech fatigue that is pervasive, pervasive right now. That's right. It is so pervasive, I cannot tell you how many people I talk to that so so there's a friend of mine that did a was involved in a startup that they're, they're struggling right now. Probably not going to make it and it was a very forward looking startup. They can't sell it. They can't sell

this product has no money. It's no money. There's no money. There's no money out there and you know Uh, that's the second friend of mine that I've had who's had a startup failure in the last in the last two years. There's just no appetite for this stuff anymore. You know, we my wife's gotta get a fairly decent new computer. And somebody sent her some PDFs the other day a PDF attachments. And just to fill out like a W nine or whatever to so they could she could take it 1099 Her first and

art work. And we cannot look, I've been a sysadmin for 28 years. I could not get these attachments to work. Does she have an iPad? It knows a Mac is there is the basics within the technology world do not work reliably. Yeah, they just don't we, that the tech fatigue comes from, like, we used to be able to get away from stuff. So you would come home. And you when you entered your home. You You were disconnected from the world

at large. So you left the world and you came home. And that was a sort of like a it was a respite

Adam CurryAdam Curry

you lose your kids

Dave JonesDave Jones

after dinner after. So you know it was a it was a respite from this constant. The world out here it's hard to deal with because of course it is because humanity and and brokenness and sin and all these kinds of things that we all deal with is the world we live in. And it's it's there and it's hard. And you come home and there's a there's a respite that you get to enjoy until the next day, where you have to go and

you have to you have to toil again. Now the world follows us around constantly into our homes into our bedrooms into there is no relief.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Yeah, we saw we saw this common. We saw it all coming. Yet

Dave JonesDave Jones

technology is not it's not. It has not been the great liberator. Now, in a lot of sense, it has been a set of shackles. Yes,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I did have a vision though. I had a vision. I had a vision. And here's the words that came out of my mouth. The our podcast apps are about to become Swiss Army apps. There's something going on with the media that we're consuming the media that when I think it happened when I saw that chart going up to 3000 feeds medium equals music. I'm like, these apps are going to be the distribution apps in the future.

Because people are tired. They're tired of all these apps for your streaming and your for this and you for that and all these things. And it'll all just work in your Swiss Army app.

Dave JonesDave Jones

I want audio books in my chest and

Adam CurryAdam Curry

yes, of course. Of course you're gonna get it you're going to I promise you

Dave JonesDave Jones

I want I want that I've been listening to a lot of audiobooks lately. Not as many podcasts and man I could I would tear up some audio books in my in pay for and dead stream sets all day.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I'm a big audio book guy big. I mean, I that's how I read books. You know, I read so much I'm tired of reading so I just want to hear it just just read it to me daddy. Me

Dave JonesDave Jones

too. Yeah, I mean I pay we pay 25 bucks a month. Yeah, like big. The top tier audible Yeah, and then you got scription you have

Adam CurryAdam Curry

8000 credits well you don't use them they're gonna go away. I mean, we do value value please please

Dave JonesDave Jones

let me stream I mean, there's so many good narrators out there that with great pipes that could read all kinds of books and just make a really good living off that Yeah. On to point A What do you say

Eric NantzEric Nantz

to them? I'm an audio chunky as well.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Yeah. What do you use

Eric NantzEric Nantz

it's audible unfortunately but I'm waiting for modern adoption of these and the apps the thing is

Adam CurryAdam Curry

ma'am this so liberating the money is non existent for authors and publishers in Audible is unbelievable. I toyed with the book for a while. And then they showed me the the mechanics and the numbers. And basically you will make no money off of that Amazon takes it all, all of it.

Dave JonesDave Jones

In Spotify is audio book thing. That's just a that's just a play to get there. Bundling does that you're not going to make anything off that. So

Adam CurryAdam Curry

hence, the honesty, the openness, the enthusiasm The grassroots the scissoring of podcasting 2.0 is the future.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Podcasting 2.0 colon this scissoring? When a couple a couple things, just things that happened this week, AP bridge fixed a fixed bug in that. Yeah.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

What was the what was the what was the bug? So

Dave JonesDave Jones

that was related to Mastodon author with a thing called authorized fetch. Hmm. So what was happening was people were trying to save people from certain instances like Mastodon, if you have this mode turned on, you can go in there and enable a thing in Mastodon called authorized fetch, but also other other activity pub platforms have this to like miski and Sharky. And in that thing, there's some others. It basically just enforces HTTP requests signing on every call,

not just posting. So for activity, pub, for many activity platforms, they require HTTP signing. That means you have to you have a private key. And you have to send your public key and the hash the signed hash with or the sign digest in the HTTP headers with the request if you're going to post a note. But and that's all it's only it's only for posting, but then, and things like follows. But authorize fetched in fetch enforces it for every single call, even calls simple calls,

like acts act asking for an actor. So that's, that was it. So we just had to start signing every request. And now that's fixed. It should be we should be good.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

It was interesting in that conversation I had about the just new media company. I was talking to him about activity pub, and they really liked BA, they had no idea and I started to explain it to him, and you saw their eyes. And I was like, you know, once you can get them past the idea of Mastodon and like this just hooks applications together. And you can communicate I mean, then they're like, Wow, in the I always use the washing machine. Like my washing machine can tell

me that a load has done that I can publish it here. And I can get it over here.

Dave JonesDave Jones

On master. Now, but yeah, they like to have can tell me that the laundry is the dryer is finished.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

We know people who understand media and syndication, they get this really quick when you put it into terms that they understand like, oh, okay, okay. Yeah.

Dave JonesDave Jones

The API's. Now, publishing is now reporting the publisher medium correctly, it was not doing that before, get got a couple more things to do. And the API for full publisher mediums, support. I've got to add support for, like, into the endpoints got to deliver that remote items correctly. So that when you have a publisher feed, it'll it'll give you the remote items

Adam CurryAdam Curry

mean, like it should, right? That was yeah, that you need to fix that. Yes, I remember that. Yeah.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, just need some. We just need full support. I just gotta get in there and do it. Dovid I don't know if you saw this Dobby. Das has a live stream test. Yeah. 24/7 switching

Adam CurryAdam Curry

blocks every minute or something. Huh? Yeah, that's cool.

Dave JonesDave Jones

So if anybody's wanting to support live streams with value blocks, or I mean, or just live streams in general, with your podcast app, yeah. Go hook into WDS as live stream. And that way you can, you know, sandbox, your app.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I love all of our hosting providers, all of them for so many reasons. And especially the big ones who support this, but also help me move when you know, when you have a Buzzsprout adding a tag. It really moves stuff. Yeah, it does. But I'm also so excited by the 2.0 native guys, like Dobby das and Barry. I mean, I'd like to see more. You know, I understand how the numbers work. You know, if you're, if you're one guy, and you can do it all and you can develop and you

could make it all work. And you get you know, you got 1000 paying customers. You got a business.

Dave JonesDave Jones

That's not Yeah, that's where the scissors are. Small guys. Yeah,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

exactly. And there's a lot of scissoring going on with those small guys that tell y'all. Yeah.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah, I think I think yeah, I think that's about it. We can talk about open podcasts and KPI next week. We get some people to thank probably,

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Eric, anything else before we go into our thank yous?

Eric NantzEric Nantz

Oh, it's been lots of fun to join you all and if you have, of course any feedback on this A famous dashboard. It's just a GitHub issue away or shout me out i Macedon that goes anyone out there? I'm really eager to improve that a lot. We love

Adam CurryAdam Curry

what you're doing, man, we love that you're part of the gang. It's it's great to have we have such a cool, eclectic, varied bunch.

Eric NantzEric Nantz

Oh, it's a good writing. I really, really feel great to be a part of this. And I wish I could bring some of that same energy to the audience that I have for my little podcast called our weekly highlights. I haven't quite caught on the value value train yet, but I keep trying to unplug it. What's

Adam CurryAdam Curry

the where do we find is our our weekly highlights? Is that what it's called? Yep, yep. In any in any modern podcast app. I'm presuming.

Eric NantzEric Nantz

That's right. It's even got the fancy chapter images and links and all that. Nice.

Dave JonesDave Jones

podcast number 1062040. Just in

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case you're keeping track. All right, let me run down the booths. We've gotten quite a few booths live and then we'll thank people who have come in throughout the week call McCormack. 2222. thrown my name in the ring for V for V narration and voice acting services on anyone's audio book. Brilliant opportunity. I agree. 2222 from Steven B. He says we need more philosophical ponderings from Dave some of the best most thoughtful content Yes, that's what we're all

about. Eric peepee, where the 3333 shred word with 1000 SATs one of the doorbells Dave's getting very deep and philosophical could use more of this under the 2.0 for man I'm telling you until you shred word again with 1000 SATs was an Apple fanboy to iPhone seven when Steve Jobs passed the company changed course. Been on Android and open source ever since Apple is evolved. Dred Scott Dred Scott with a 666

Satoshis Apple boost question mark. Yes. Then we go to another SRX Edward Oh, he boosted during the during the song from the trusted and he said heard it on P 2.0. Thank you 3333 From Shedra there's no better industry to be first in on the cutting edge of V four v then religious broadcasting. That's right. Well, they were the first ones who showed up. You know 20 years ago. The God casters were there first. Another 1500 from shred word. extrordinary. Talk today Adams going big. There Sam

Sethi with 1000 sad saying I'm totally lost. I'm not sure what point of the conversation that was but somewhere we lost Sam. Guy Martin 9999 I have no idea what you guys are saying but I love hearing totally competent people talk about their field of expertise. You go Dred Scott with a short row 2222 of the ducks boosting the duck DB salty crayon let's do to do did it for the ducks. He says 5150 from the tone record Friday running with scissors boost and I just figured that might be 5150 that

says oh yeah, that might be a good one for a sound file. says oh says Oh 5150 2220 from like Mike Newman sending ducks for the testing. By the way the the so Chad F got the 777 that's the harp 22,222 should have fired off a duck boost. And then we had the Oh striper boost no one's had a striper booths which is 77,777 No, no,

Dave JonesDave Jones

no believe somebody just got a 777 Yeah, no, the seven.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Three sevens is the harp. five sevens is the striper boost.

Dave JonesDave Jones

I haven't heard anything come through the soundboard and no no, no, no

Adam CurryAdam Curry

people are out of sets. Ran they ran dry. Fill in their wallets. 11 Allah 11,111 row of sticks from champ how does the splits affect this? If the goal is to hit a certain number with a trigger, see the initial boost number or after the splits are made. Okay, chimp. So in helipad, you can choose to see the total number sent or the just the amount you received. I've chosen the total number and the the boosts

actions. The actions are based on the whole number. Then we have as Jim should have gotten because he said 22,222 And I would say that's the proper amount but I think we had the overlapping sounds there so I'm sorry, it didn't fire off. Pfeiffer freedom boost 1776. That's something I could put a sound in for Jad F with a whole bunch of triple sevens. Dred Scott 3141 10,000. From Sam, as we already heard, Eric, our podcast Eric 12345. And he says How about this super secure

password boost? Yes, yes, I should automatically send you my private key. When when you lose that I'll do that in the

Eric NantzEric Nantz

database access. Right. I just did it all.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Let me see. Then we had just a lot of people testing out different booster mounts and A millennial props to Eric massive pee pee on the helipad update already tied it into my setup s way go. With a boo boost. Hard Hat 3333 boosting it works. Yes, we got the Boo Boos from blueberry. And oh yes important to know that they're doing a live Battle of the Bands. Right after no agenda on June 30. We had four artists confirm and just five days, there'll be a live Battle of the

Bands. There's your triple seven. That's an Eric DP. That's Eric. PP. Exactly. Yes, that's gonna be a cool one. All right, everybody calm down. I still got 777 SATs in here somewhere. I can use that. Yeah, so that's going to be I think a great show. Looking forward to that. Give me some details. Guys. Give me something to link to. Which actually see here, and we'll promote that of course. More Testing, testing, testing. That's it. I hit the delimiter There you go.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Now Nice. We've got some pussy guess. Pay pals? Oscar Mary. sent us $200

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Oh, Oscar. I think that

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Dave JonesDave Jones

Thank you Oscar in the boys over there at fountains appreciate that as always. We get Mitch in crayon and cow over there at pod verse LLC headquarters. $50

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Thank you. Beautiful. Appreciate that.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Appreciate that. And Mitch is back in the saddle. He's He's unburned out on Fridays back all right, he's on Friday. On Friday. Get some booster grams I'll see. To make sure I'm in the right spot here. Yes, I am. Todd from Northern Virginia 11111 Big satchel Richards from tippet tub. Pod verse he says come for the hot namespace talk stay for the 60 SQL go podcast.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Yes and I did get the did get the entire Hot Pursuit movie in a decent quality so I'm pulling clips pulling clips. What are my archive? I'm

Dave JonesDave Jones

very good at in better audio than you had last week. Yeah, after

Adam CurryAdam Curry

the show we're like Hey, I think I found it we listened to it man it is bad it is capital bad and I'm not talking to Michael Jackson bad is bad.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Please pull clips of get

Adam CurryAdam Curry

good stuff pull some hot pursuit clips. Okay.

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Normal Ross podcasts and everybody Karen down there in, in Australia from 1111 through found and he says I've done some book reviews on my other podcast of amusing ourselves to death and book wars about the suppose a death of physical books. If anyone wants a condensed version of these points. Technology can be summed up as just because we can doesn't mean we will. That's right. So to carry on 1985 for through the fountain app, he says was waiting to hear Doc

Brown bust in and Yale 1.2 jigowatts. That sucker will have to be nuclear powered AI. That's right. That's right. 1111 a central Richards from old norm. Here's all nor old normal. Sick track. Heard it on podcast and 2.0 episodes. 178 Oh, nice. Thank you. Norm. Appreciate the Oh Nora. Thank you Eleanor 5000 SATs from anonymous. Through pod verse. Rumor has it Larry Bladerunner was once hired to direct an adult film. The movie was a flop but it gave birth to the multiple orgasms genre.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Oh, there's information I didn't need. I

Dave JonesDave Jones

don't know what he's talking about. Just

Adam CurryAdam Curry

a lot of genres on PornHub I guess. I

Dave JonesDave Jones

guess. Larry Blattner have no idea who that is. Alright, thanks anonymous. Appreciate this.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Thank you for that info.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yes, that's great. 2420 from Nura cheers to the award winning John Holden.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

That's my my nom de plume.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Andrew Gromit, 2222 Road ducks, thank you for the API. It's the gift that keeps on giving. And

Adam CurryAdam Curry

thank you for making that web framework. Andrew grommets important is going to be really important moving forward. Andrew

Dave JonesDave Jones

is one of those guys that just sneaks around and pops up with a feature just comes out of nowhere, you know, I

Adam CurryAdam Curry

also think he probably made a lot of money somewhere. I got a feeling Andrew left my loser company, and then went somewhere and had an IPO event or something after feeling Andrews doing good and I'm happy for him. Good.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Linkin Park rolls through fountain 10,000 SAS price. Hey, guys, I'm not sure if this is a namespace thing. But I think bookmarks would be a great addition to podcasts and people know apps. I'm on the go when I'm listening to podcasts most of the time, and it would be great to just hit a button on my lock screen. to bookmark something I could clip or share in the future. I know Pocket Casts has this as a premium

feature so maybe a collab with them as an order collab. PS Adam, it will be awesome if you could come on ungovernable misfits in the future peace diet.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

I'm sure we can work that out. Marking is a that's an app feature. Right? That's native to the apps I guess.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yeah. I don't know that. That doesn't really feel like a namespace.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

No.

Dave JonesDave Jones

I feel like we're going back in time.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

It is my it is my retro go back in time harp. Yes. Yeah. I'm gonna have to remove that one is too easy for y'all. Okay.

Dave JonesDave Jones

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Adam CurryAdam Curry

Thank you CSB. Yeah, Bandra is a good guy, man. If you want to know about about gear band, who's your guy? That's for sure.

Dave JonesDave Jones

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Dave JonesDave Jones

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Look at this group drip just posted a link to a Swiss Army app image. What is the new chapter Meister? Man guy he's out of control, out of control. But like I'll use it. I use it dribble, use

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Adam CurryAdam Curry

Thank you all very much. The whole project here has value for value and what a fantastic amount of value we've received today. I know we're all just playing around. But man, what a great. What a great application helipad is and it worked because it's such eolane Yes. And lots of SATs value for value. And I love it. I love it. Eric p p send me your send me your wallet. Man. I want to put you I want to put you in some

splits. You deserve it. We gotta you know, we've got a we've got to remember our devs man who aren't necessarily in the flow. So Alex gates, send me your split, man. Send me your split info. We got to put some people into the splits. Make sure that people who are doing this work, get get the value out of it as well consider doing that on your own podcast, I would say Yeah.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Alex is working on a project. Right now. hopefully have some some some to report back on that here in the next few weeks. Top secret popping project.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Top secret, okay. And this is did you have an NDA from you to say?

Dave JonesDave Jones

Yes.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Did you put him under NDA? Do you put them under non compete?

Dave JonesDave Jones

We're doing it all on Mineiro

Adam CurryAdam Curry

you know if someone would privacy coin if someone want to do it be good for me. I'm fine with that.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Man. There's a crackdown on privacy coins. Hard. Like yeah, like some of those privacy coins like manera getting like delisted off exchanges and stuff. Oh, really? I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what exactly is going on. I don't really keep track of it. But I have subscribe to this

newsletter. It's like a like a crypto newsletter that talks about all kinds of things and they've been talking about that lately about all these all these privacy coins that have been just like like evaporating getting their evaporating off the exchanges, right. Well, people are

Adam CurryAdam Curry

scared. Yeah, of course. People don't want to go to jail.

Dave JonesDave Jones

When the tornado cash and all that stuff start. Oh, be

Adam CurryAdam Curry

honest. They were doing they were advertising for the criminals. Like yesterday. Okay. Yeah. So like, okay, whatever. Good. Don't do that. No, don't just know it's not it's not a good idea. Data scientists Eric. Man, thank you so much for coming on the show today. Thank you for all that you're doing. Really appreciate it. It's great to have you and great to have a Hoosier on the show.

Eric NantzEric Nantz

Oh, pleasure to be here. And thanks for cleaning up the boardroom after that chaos last week. I tell you, my goodness.

Dave JonesDave Jones

Don't don't turn on the black line.

Adam CurryAdam Curry

Alright, everybody, Have yourselves a great weekend boardroom. Thank you for being with us, Dave. Brother. Have a good weekend. You too, man. And we'll be back. Next week. We'll do it again. On Friday. We'll bring you another board meeting of podcast Send 2.0 Till then take care have a great weekend everybody Bye

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