Episode 176: Angel Number

podcasting 2.0 For April 19 2024, episode 176 angel number oh hello everybody. Welcome to the board meeting for podcasting. 2.0 I think this is happening day. I gotta count the blocks to make sure that means it can be super special everything you want to know about podcasts, the future of podcasts and podcasting, what was what is and will always be podcasting 2.0 The only boardroom that will never be

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I just I just got a call from the you know, this is an automated message from the power company. And they have an emergency. Yeah, they have an emergency scheduled outage today at one o'clock. Now.

I love I love an emergency scheduled outage.

Let me read the email let me read the email to me because I'm an email to an emergency planned power outage. How

can it be an emergency and planned at the same time?

How would the dog is more I got so much going on here with the dog barking.

Need to stop this? Yeah, I

gotta stop. You gotta stop take for one second. Hold on. Alright, I'm back here. So Miss explain what's going on. We have we had a Schedule A planned painting of the inside of the house. Which is great except Tina then decided I'm gonna go visit my daughter in New York. Have fun. So now Now Mike and Aaron who are here are great guys. And I've known him for a long time. But the house is in disarray. The dog is

them replacing that entire substation.

I've been around sis admins long enough that don't do that to me. Don't tell me it's going to be only five minutes. Don't lie to me. It's just a thing we like Do not lie to me like that. Now, how long will it take? Well, here's the good news. The studio, including the router and the fiber interface are all on ups. So that should not be a problem. And and then, of course, after 30 seconds, my or 20 seconds, my backup

Oh man so badly wanted when you were saying I've got this and UPS and all this kind of stuff. And it'll be I wanted it to just drop right then. Did the signal just vanish right in the middle of this and as we were saying everything was going to be fun.

That would be very funny.

It would be great for the show.

It would suck for the show. We don't want that funny though. The

really short episode it would be just be humor be humor. Like it will be fun to watch at 1pm. Yes, yeah, I gotta keep an eye on the clock because I want to see if we stay in business or not.

It should be okay. We'll figure it out should be in sysadmin world

things only take. They think things are either either unnoticeable or very noticeable. There's no in between. Correct. Correct. Things don't usually take like 10 minutes. 15 minutes. It's either 30 seconds or it's four hours. Ah,

how you doing brother? How was I know you had the most like the stressful week of the of the year the tax time. That's what your company does. You got through it. Okay. Yeah, and well yeah, I'm

on vacation. Oh man, how

nice is that? Yeah, I

did. I've been we've been we live in an old house. Very old. And so we've been ever since we bought it in 20 You've

been you've been renovating it? Yeah,

yeah. renovating it room by room and we're about halfway done. And which I look back and I'm like it's been 10 years and we're only halfway done

we've been here for three the house is only five years old but the insight you know it's white that we don't have kids but you know after a while like yeah the scarf and everything and grimy So yeah, we're doing all that and then we're going to do our floor next year maybe depends. So we're doing the same thing this is our forever house I mean feet first out of this one I'm done.

We were we might we might be here forever too. It's it's one of those it's one of those things and like we we ended up the house was in terrible shape when we first bought it we got it for a good price but we we had to do a ton of like emergency stop the thing for falling down work. Like right out of the gate

was Was this a bargain this house was dry

is a bargain basement. But seeing as hell I'm such a crafty fellow that was able to do that. Do that really quick get all that stuff done. And then now now it's all just like cosmetic stuff. So we're just like, it doesn't the house you walk in it doesn't look bad. It's just that like it has no insulation in the wall. So in the you know, in the winter,

Oh, no. What at 8% interest? I don't think so. Yeah, no, no, no.

I told him Listen, when I first moved here I'm like, I'm not going into debt to this house. I'm not doing that we're almost

out of debt. We we we might own this house but in two years. So we done pretty good on that. And oh

yeah, that's right. drabbit My studio is in the bargain basement it

is the is the bargain basement studio BBs, everybody.

Yeah, I think people have been around since the beginning of the show. Remember the Oh yeah. Days of me. The room was just nothing but studs, studs and

and what have fiber packing, you know the installations, mineral wool, mineral. That's it. Yeah. Before we have a great guest today. I'm very excited to talk to our guests. But we have a couple things to discuss beforehand. And the thing that I realized I really only listened to a number of podcasts kind of religiously. And I love listening to all I love the hosting company podcasts. I may not listen to all of them all the way through but I usually check them all

I'm actually nervous for the podcast ecosystem that I'm saying ecosystem specifically because I think podcasting itself as defined by our RSS feed within within with an enclosure, that's just that simple technology that will be around forever. But like the the podcasting ecosystem, and people we know and love within that system, that's actually nervous for that. I'm in the reason is because so like, Yeah, I'll listen to a new media show, too. And Rob, so Rob, and Tom, were

Questions. He's doing it. And

there's a simple question. There's a simple answer to that. And it's one we've talked about before. The Isn't, quote unquote everyone is talking about video. It's not everyone, it's the advertiser is the dish is the digital advertising brokers, dealers agents. Yeah, that's who's talking about it, because they see that the the quote unquote $2 billion within podcasting was always BS. There's not $2 billion in podcasting, podcasting was the last the last

Yes, it was free money anomaly, a free money anomaly. It

was a free money induced anomaly. And that's it. So they're shifting. So the digital advertisers are shifting out of podcasting into YouTube. Because Youtube is where all their that's where the cash cow is for now. That's where everybody that's where you can get all the metrics and, and all that it's the, it's the latest version of Facebook, for me for media for video and audio. They think they can get all the targeting, they want all that kind of stuff. Everything's

okay, I'm not that fatalistic at all. You're we're not going to see NPR, BBC PBS, we're not going to see these big high end productions available in audio moved to video, that's not going to happen, they have no money for that. They are they said the same thing about radio when television came along. What I found and I am this is nothing personal, nothing person. I love

Good. Great positive feedback. Only

positive people like wow, this is so cool. I can't believe it. Like I can search for my favorite podcast and now I can follow it in on my on my Mastodon server, very positive feedback. Just so positive, in fact that I'm like, oh, there goes the power. Okay. Am I still on? Yeah,

we're good. Okay, good. So we cut were cut over. Yeah, we wound up as right now on ups

now. And we should be no sheets did exactly one o'clock and generator coming on? Takes about 20 seconds. So I'll go check in a minute. Because I don't know if I can hear it in the studio. It's outside obviously. The where was I? Oh, the feedback. SAP? Yeah, it was so positive. That people give me credit. I'm like, Whoa, stop. No, no, that's Steven. That's Dave. You know, it's everybody. Everyone's a big part of it. But that's no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just here to promote it. And

Adam. Can you hear me?

I can hear you. Johnny came on

here. And I'm just messing with you, Dave.

Are the generator just kicks in beautiful.

Yeah, we're five by five. Sounds great. Awesome. There's no, there's no generator.

I'm literally sitting. I'm literally sitting here going like, wait a minute, if I hear him. I'm like, is this what sometimes it can be? It can be a buffer, right? It can be a buffer in the in the software. I'm like, maybe it's buffered and clean feed day. Anyway, and so what I said and here I think I don't have in front of me. But my boost was something to the effect of now you can comment, like, rate and review. Not entirely true. Your favorite podcast apps on any Mastodon

Like, if you just insert not entirely true, and then you can say anything you want. You're welcome. I make millions of dollars. Not entirely true. But well, I mean, you can

rate and review was just it would be tax, it wouldn't be anything that's aggregated.

No, I think okay, before before I get before I lose this because I will lose it if I don't say it right now. The I'm thinking that other other services could put this into their products. So like, the first thing that popped into my

Yeah. There's, there's one thing that I'm struggling with. Okay. Because when I publish now, I go back and I publish again for many reasons, you know, if the chapters have the chapters have to be created after the RSS feed is created, because hyper hyper catcher, which I use requires that you know that it has the feed before it can add common chapters to it. So that's worked fine. I put a dummy chapter in

Maybe I'm wrong. Say that again? That again? All right.

So when I when I post this episode of podcasting, 2.0. Eventually, what pops up on your federated timeline? If you're subscribed? Is the post birth right, the episode post? Should that be the root post? For the social danger? Are

you talking about what comes from the bridge? Yes.

Should that be the root post? I mean, it doesn't have to be I understand what if people start if people start subscribing to to a show on activity pub, the natural inclination is to comment on that post. If not, maybe on the one where I announced the show. Does that make sense?

In the AP in the AP bridge, when a new episode gets posted, if there's a comment thread, oh, it there's a link.

Okay, there's so much information in there. Probably hadn't seen it.

Yeah, if you click through to that, it will take you to the root post and you can come in there. Kind of like them being separate.

I mean, yeah, okay.

It's not it's not like a real I'm not religious about it. But I kind of, I kind of do think that it feels better to for me, it's for some reason that I can't really describe. Yeah, let

me let me just take a limit. Take a look at what a post looks like. I'll comment. Okay, no, you're right. You're right. You're right. I actually I posted something. I don't know if you saw that. It would be great if you could add a hashtag podcast to each individual post. So that when I'm in my Mastodon, I can just say, find me all hashtag podcast posts. So I can look at everything that's come in. Does that make sense?

It does what this feels like. Do you want to be on bringing the guests because of a this? He's

but I figured the longer we leave him waiting, the more wine who lived had fun or is the fun, he's got more fun. He's going to be

like, This is wrong to talk activity public.

You're right. Ladies and gentlemen, we are very proud and happy to welcome to the board room of podcasting. 2.0 The man who is not just the I think he's more of the producer and co host but co hosts of pod news weekly review. CEO of true fans, ladies and gentlemen, the one and only Mr. Sam sevi. Oh, wow. Thank

you for that. Thank you. Thank you.

He left out. You left out titular head of the podcast. Oh,

yes. Oh, I'm sorry. Yes. spokesmodel. For the podcast Standards Project. You're I'm sorry. That was full power. On my part. Sam. Well,

most important role. Yes. Thank you very much. Good evening.

Good evening. Good evening, sir. All right. Now he's here. What do you want to do with them? Dave? Well, what do you want to do?

Well, I mean, this, but the reason I thought I'd bring him in, because this was brought up once before about the hashtags. And it was debated out a little bit whether it should just be podcast, which kind of ends up if your federated could end up being a bunch of stuff. That's not actually podcast episodes, or if it should be some unique hashtag, to like the AP bridge or something that says, like this is, this is actually an episode of a podcast.

That's, that's a point. And

I don't know what the answer to that is. Do you have thoughts? Yes. Am

I on that one? No, but I do have thoughts on what Adam was saying. I'd actually like to see the social interact tag attached to the follow tag, which I think because you're going to be putting out a graphic which is the episode Alt or the podcasts are and then nothing below that would be great because you're otherwise going to have two posts and people are going to look at that and go, Where do I start? Well, it should be me

me just makes a very good point over there in the boardroom. You says that then you won't be able to moderate it if it comes from the bridge. Which I think which I think is a very fair and I'm okay now that I haven't actually seen it but now there's the common thread right there and hyperlinks. I think I'm okay with that. I understand where you're coming from Sam. But I hadn't even thought about the moderating point and I think that that's a very fair point.

Well, I've got to make some changes to this anyway. Change Yes. Those kind Yeah, I'm getting that because where it says so I'm gonna change eventually as soon as Nathan gets his episodes.fm updated to handle things that are non on iTunes. Yeah, yeah, I'm just going to put that in and take out all of those individual links. Ah, perfect.

I'd love to see my art that because I have new art for every episode.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like if if you have a show that doesn't have Oh, I see what you're saying. I see what you're because right now in that case it just the episode it just posts the same art every single time. The body of the

post still kind of caches my art but

oh, is it still? Yeah, I don't know how to change that. It's mastodon. I don't know how to invalidate a remote mastodons cache. Or if you can even Well, it's

funny because it's art from three episodes ago.

I've noticed that there's a lag it'll be for a while and then it'll catch an update.

It's not a huge problem because I see you're right. The episode art is right there. Actually, you know it's almost like a feature now. Just like has has has has old art as the as the badge and then it hasn't had the new art on on below. It's a feature like

in the release notes. It says hold old art is a feature Yeah. Did so when you got when you got elected as the SAM as the head of the of the podcast, Project grip

meeting, LLC, I was thinking is this meeting.

It's like a ceremony where that what like, if, if you're elected, like the white smoke comes out of the chimney, not elected the blacks, not like

any had to lay down like that he had to lay down in a casket and confess his deepest secrets to them first, like Skull and Bones.

Now, this, this all came about because when the PSP was formed, what 18 months ago, I thought it was a good idea. It was going to be all the hosts the apps getting together and I recommended a couple of other people forward for it other than myself and my thought, you know, somebody else needs to step forward. Because it was a case of all the other people we get were really excited to do, but nobody had the job of actually doing it. And so I recommended other people and nothing

want to thank you. You are uniquely qualified for this job for this position. Of course not a job because you are uniquely qualified. Although I am not on the mailing list. The the fact that you sent out a press release, about transcripts two and a half million transcripts, beloved, that that is exactly what this group needs. So I hope you're able to build that up and and actually, I think you will, I mean, you've been product manager, marketing manager, you know how to do this

shoulders everywhere else. Yeah, he'll do it. Well, okay, fine. I actually had been frustrated. You probably heard me talking to James. No, I

never noticed. I never noticed it. Never Noticed. Yeah.

But like I think the way I look at it is The group that we are podcasting to to our group, I think if the r&d group, you know, we're coming up with face sevens and crazy stuff, the phase evens popping up. And it's just fun. And it's great idea. Not all of them will make the cutting floor. But I

prefer I prefer skunkworks. Yes, that's more, that's more of a skunkworks.

But the the group that's in the middle should be more of the marketing and PR team going out internally, between each of the hosts saying, look, here's what's happening, you're in the group, you should be doing this catch up or slow down, or whatever it may be. Don't slow down, but and then I'm also working with the podcast Academy to do a series of web seminars. Because the thing I noticed was, there was a whole bunch of people who went to this thing called the

very smart, very smart, and I love that because that will actually make them more useful because I find them highly unusable, may end up and I'll say it, Sam, so you don't have to in the in the podcasting space. It's great to have, you know, an award ceremony. I'm against them. I think it's an anachronism, a rack no RISM an inaccurate help me Dave, an anachronism anachronism in general. And, and I despise Awards where you have to pay to to get in, but okay, that's

Yeah, and they've been really supportive and wanting to do it. So we're gonna run through in the next month. Yeah, we'll see how they go.

So put me on your mailing list. I want to promote this. Because I didn't have I didn't have a press release to point to about the transcription. And this is good. It's good stuff. I'm excited

to take it as given.

I want to get back into activity pub, because you were very instrumental in getting me really excited about it. And so first of all, you're right. Kudos. Good job. You were pushing it. And I was keep pushing back. Lightly but it really just because I was ignorant didn't understand it. By the way, did you know that? Another word for nice as ignorant. just learned that the other day?

I know a lot of nice people. Exactly.

br You are the CEO of true fans. And true fans is a web app, which functions very well as a progressive web app. I mean, if I can just have one little bug report that I think I've mentioned before, but I'm one of those guys who uses a password manager self hosted Password Manager. And it doesn't always work that well, for automatically, you know, fulfilling, but even if it does, because for some reason was true fans, I'm always being asked to log in what am I doing wrong?

Me to find out

for certain? Because, yes, go ahead. No, I

think you know, one of the things I'd say with true fans, we we've accelerated to try and support so much, we need to go back and have a look at some things that probably have rough edges, and hadn't been fully completed are

good, because it deters me from using it. And I'm just telling you, because I love seeing all the features and stuff you're using. But I'm like, Ah, I log in again. So I gotta now I gotta go to my my app, I gotta you know, have to authenticate and then he won't autofill for whatever reason I'm not saying that that's true fans, so Okay, good because it seems like other people have that issue as well and and so

Just about thinking about what about podcasting? And I

listened to it every single episode. I love the people he has on it's a great show, but he did scoop us and I'll never forgive him for that. Two things I want to ask you about your viewer your now you probably won't disclose it. But you're one click top up ads. SATs seems to be something genius that no one has figured out. And, and you wouldn't tell Barry how you did it. But I need to ask are you do? Are you a money transmitter? Because I'm worried about, you

know, I'm gonna I'm gonna reveal it like, I thought about it very carefully. Should I tell other people how I've done it? And the answer is yes. Because the more apps that do it the Thank you, brother, thank you get involved. I don't need to keep that as the secret sauce. So look, one of the really interesting things it actually came from this show when I was listening to Oscar and Oscar was talking about primal and I, oh, my god, primal cadet, how are they doing it?

So it's running from your account. In essence, yes.

Now we're going to OB have got two new products coming out. One is called OB Pro, which allows you to go over the 1 million sat level, and then they've got a cold of wallet node that's going to work on Start nine and Umbral and that's unlimited. And so yeah, it is us doing very,

very smart idea. But are you are you worried? Legality wise, are you worried? Because I don't want I don't want anyone to get in trouble.

See right now. We all have permission rather than and forgiveness later? I don't know. Because nobody, who would I ask? That's where I get Janet Yellen.

The President Yeah, the president. Yeah.

And he's basically I think he's,

I think is genius. I love that hack. I think it's a great idea. And thank you for telling everybody how you did it. Thank you. That's, that's very, very cool.

No worries,

very cool. There's so much I want to ask you about but since we're talking about the, the quote unquote, digital advertising world. And you even boasted about this on the last show, and then I have some updates of my own. And I'm going to try and describe what you're thinking about, or what you put into some degree have implemented. And the and it's one of the big promises of the internet. And there's really, there's, I used to say there's two, but there's three promises

Great to me.

All right. Now, can you explain what the heck you're doing?

Yes, so Well, as I said

yesterday, this adult diaper subscription is possible. That's not the one but it is possible.

So about a year ago, I came up with a concept called negative SATs. And I did that because I thought it would be a great way for creators to pay their listeners fans for their time and attention. So it might be you've got a brand new podcast and you have a trailer. And you want to promote that.

I love that it's very app specific. How so? When just from a technical level and Dave chime in, to actually make this work, but by the way, I think that this that this offering should originate from the hosting companies, that's where a lot of the advertising comes from anyway, and so Okay, fee, and they understand the logistics of selling that and reporting back. It's okay baby, come here. Come here. Oh, how does it technically work with value time split? Where? Okay,

We have. Yeah, you can definitely do that. I think on the marketing side. Like on the on the advertisers side? It makes more sense anyway, because you're only paying

for what's actually listened to for what's actually yes, yes.

You're not throwing money, you're not blindly throwing money and then waiting for a spreadsheet to say that maybe this thing got in front of people, you're not sure. I mean, like, it seems like you would spend less money to reach more people. And I think I mean, on the on the technical level, it doesn't seem difficult at all, now that we have the now that we have the source. And it was wallet in the TLV,

you know, in a way, fountain is already doing a version of this. Yeah, they are they're paying, they have the mechanism of paying SATs already kind of built in. I just don't know how much of it can really be controlled by the feed how much of is controlled purely by the feed. But both of you said yes. So I'm excited to hear that big. And I really want to say marketer, I don't want to say advertiser,

to Adam, when you put booster grand bowl together, right? You you record the show, and you just play the music tracks, you did the whole thing in one hit and then you go back, and you then do the valley time splits into whatever app you use.

Well, it's even better than that. Because the magician known as Steven Bell, Steven B has hooked up my playout system, which is m err list. So I put the I put all of my songs that I'm going to play into the split kit. I download all he then he zips him up, I download all the songs in a zip file, put that into my my bucket for play. And then regardless of what song I play, it'll automatically trigger that in the split kit and put the appropriate start time blank etc

And so an adverb or a marketing message is simply an mp3 file potentially, that you would play just as you would a music track. And then later on in Split kit, you will just have a reverse sat element

can do. Do you like that? And I don't like negative sides reverse. That's a bad like to come up with another name. Personally,

I'm happy for another name. But that's the only way I'm negative sounds so negative.

reversed, so I'm not sure and I'll take it one step further at that moment in time. So I can imagine, hey, here's this great product that I know you want this. Here's why you want it. I have it. I love it. I'm lying. What doesn't matter. And right now, you're you're being you're being compensated to listen to this, if you want it, tap on the chapter right now. I mean, can you imagine how marketers cream over this stuff? They really do they cream over this. And then it's anonymous.

Yes, and get paid for it. And I

am not against this. This is value for value for marketing

company. This is very, very platform specific. I don't because I don't I don't know that you can do this From,

That's a good point.

I think it's I mean, like, Is it doable? Obviously, I have a second phone.

I have a secondary mission here. It's also meant as a marketing tool for podcasting. 2.0 apps. Being that's that's like booster Graham ball is like, why are you not listening to this on a modern podcast app? What are you doing? What's wrong with you stop? You're missing out on half the fun.

So yes, I think we were like, we built the raw materials. There. And now, now, it's just a matter of if if a platform wants to build something out, like tree fans has, or fountain or anybody else wants to build that out? I mean, they can do it. And I think I don't think there's anything else we need to do, I guess? Well,

there may be like, a special remote item, which might be necessary a tag in in remote item that says, Okay, this is this is a marketing block. So, couple things need to happen. The, you know, whatever the the payment, direction flow is, and, and receiving app equals local user wallet, and it probably needs to be connected to a chapter so that the app can otherwise skip right next to the next chapter. Does that make sense? What I'm saying? So if it doesn't trigger your threshold,

Yes. Yeah, that makes sense. And because all that can be defined, I mean, it could be defined in the value times split to

Well, that's where I think it belongs. Yeah, cuz

you're, I mean, this is a value transaction. So if you're, if you're, you're essentially doing a value time split, in the opposite direction. So you define that split. So then you don't have to worry about the chapters necessarily, you just go back to when the splits the split ends, everything just goes back to where it was. Yeah, cuz then, you know, and, you know, you know, where the splits going to end?

Yeah, you have the time marker, as well. So, if it's skipping, then it just skips forward to the next time marker?

Well, I think what you need is, is a speck of this, Sam, you know, then you're really good at building it all. And then saying, here it is, it works. But we need a spec that is understandable. So that, you know, we can we can really so that app devs can look at and say okay, I believe that the the by so to speak has to occur with the value time split, you have

Yeah, happy to do I mean, yeah. Again, the way I do things, you've seen it before I go and build stuff, throw it out in the world and then wait for everyone to look at it and then give me feedback. So but I'll happily put us back together as well. Now conversely,

if we don't do this, I also have a great example of what you can do for your advertising problems everybody. As I was listening to the DNX VR podcast because I always listen to sportsball podcast. And I heard the hosts do this, okay, we

have a really important ask for everyone which is going to help you but also help us as well. Apple podcasts did something at the beginning of this year, I think, where typically it will just automatically download your podcasts for you. And that helps us out helps you out by putting it in there. They stopped that. So now you have to go in and automatically or in turn on either automatic downloads or

gross is that? How gross is that? Like it's

yours. But it's basically please please turn on downloads so that we get downloads candidate whether you listen or not. Well,

they're not easy. If you're everybody who's watching us on YouTube, please. Please commit fraud. Yeah, exactly. And inflate our numbers. Thank you. DWeb. Thank you. Yeah, exactly. It's gross. It's gross. Yeah. And that's what everyone's doing now. Yeah, it makes you turn on automatic downloads. Yeah, they're

gross. It's a good it's a nice alternative to actually doing the real thing. only takes about five minutes is

an alternative. Yes, it is.

I think the you know, I was thinking about because when I remember you who sat

back, Stephen be nice. SAS SATs back and love it. Okay.

So that your the thing you're doing with Apple Pay. kit, you know, there's there's this constant sort of, I don't know, drumbeat of we need to do something other than SATs. Something with with actual Fiat dollars in in, in the, you know, the that's? I've got a lot of I mean, that's a lot of thoughts on that. But really, I was thinking about thinking about it. And if you're doing if you're enabling Apple Pay. So do you take? Do you get the do you get a fee for that if you're

No stripe tank 2.9% and 30 cents on every transaction?

Do you get airline miles?

Should they need to link it? You know, for transparency, we take one person, that's what we're doing. Right? We need to make some micro payment ourselves right for feature. So

Apple doesn't they don't hit you on that payment?

No, no, we're not even touching Apple, Apple's 30% x doesn't affect us at all. So this I couldn't believe when I looked at the stripe and it's legit. And you can go and read all the docs and it works. And it's like, wow, this is amazing. So you know, we've been cautious about it. So we're limiting it now at the moment to $10 or 10 pounds because, you know, we don't want to go mad. Sure, there's no limit. There is no limit, we've set an arbitrary limit right now. Now, what

Okay, so that that answers some questions then. Let's see Nathan says stripe pays apple 2.15% out of their cut. Okay. That's a pretty small percentage. Okay, yeah. That was that was going to be method if there could be moved I'd bet this there could there could be basically a hiding of the hole under lying, not hiding in malicious ends, but a, a hiding

a thought on this. Okay. Which which plays right into this, I'm seeing as streaming sat seems to be much larger than is really discussed or accounted for because of booster grams and the nature of booster grams. The original, the original thought behind stream, I think it's if if the UI UX experience would change, where instead of how many sets do you want to stream per minute? I mean, I mean, I just I'm like, I just 200 sets a minute. That's kind of my standard is like, if

Yeah, if I mean, if you're doing that, then you're in sec, I don't know, it seems like it kind of simplifies things. But without having to, because we know you can't really move dollars in that way. It's too clumsy is too costly, you can't you just dial the dollar, the banking system doesn't move money like that. That's that's just not the way it worked. You may have one bank that has something special setup, or even a few networks, but it's not universal. You can't go You

genesis of this is a bit of the Bitcoin Max ethos when we first started this, there was like, wow, yeah, everyone's got to live in a Bitcoin standard, you got to be thinking in Satoshis? I do, I literally do. And the way I do it is this house would have cost me 60 Bitcoin five years ago, and now it would only be for Bitcoin. So I do think in those terms, but I'm in 100% agreement that if, if we can, if we have an Option, Escape mode, it would bring a lot more people in, and

I mean, what I'm trying to even get to is why they just say, Look, I just want to put 10 pound recurring every month into my wallet, we will deal with the SAP payments from that, we will do that.

Can you do that with Apple Pay, you can set them up on a recurring,

recurring, we are implementing that. Beautiful, beautiful this is. So this one we're implementing is a payment out, by the

way didn't want to insinuate the church people are dumb. But it's older people.

This is the other issue that, you know, I have no problem with any of this. I'm experienced with Bitcoin and that kind of thing from a long way back. So I was going to pay my and did pay my brother in law for doing my taxes this year. I'll pay I was gonna pay him in, in Bitcoin, just because he didn't have any. And then he was like, Yes, he did. You know, he doesn't usually how

come? We didn't? How come? We didn't take any bitcoin from the podcast index k one. Is this true? Dude, I have to write it. I have to write a check to him. That's no good.

Yeah, it was like, Hey, he doesn't usually charge me at all to do my taxes. And he's just that kind of guy. But I was like, Look, I've got to pay you something. I mean, this things are getting more complicated. And I was like, let just let me give you a couple 100 bucks a bit. Just for fun. And he was like, Yeah, okay, listen, this sounds fun. And so I said, so I got him to sign up for Cash App. He verified

because he's a new they thought it was fraud. Yeah,

and so I open up a customer service request. And I'm like, Hey, I just tried to send some bitcoin and my brother in law and rejected it and they said, We cannot help you with this. With this, this case is closed. And I was like, Okay, I was like, well, can can you give me any indication as to why they said I'm sorry, we can't give you any more information this case is closed is there anything else we can help you with? They will refute would not tell me why it was rejected. Anything

Yeah, I'm with you.

Because you, because, I mean, it was it was frustrating. The trips are trying to get through that. And if you have somebody who you're trying to guide through that process as a podcast listener and they hit a wall like that, they're just done. I mean, like, I don't have time for this. Life's busy. You know that it's just, yeah, no, no, just there's something to think about.

Sam, hello, hello. How many wines have you had?

In teetotal? Since LA? So? What's wrong with you? Oh, fat boy, Sam over here. I've been told to lose.

Fat Boy Slim brother. Nice. Yep. Okay, version. Do you want to talk? activity streams?

Yeah, let's do that. I'd also if we get time likes talking about the medium tag?

Well, let's do it. Let's do medium to medium first, let's

do medium that said on my notes. Anyway, that's a

broad, it's a broader, and I have something for that, too. It's broader, medium tag.

Okay. So I think the medium tag is a real opportunity for all of the podcasting, Tito apps and hosts to extend beyond just podcasting. Agree. And we've seen Spotify announced courses, and audio books and all sorts of things, right. And I feel we're not taking advantage of the technology that we've already invented. So on true fans, as an example, we already support all the current mediums. And I've been working in the

for the D MU people who are very dear to me, will wave Lake if they are maintaining the the tag repository? Will they allow other other music hosts to also add to that list? Yes.

And they don't want to retain the list. They've got it on a GitHub right now. Good. And they want to share that out. And I think where it lives, it could be on the PSP. It could be anywhere right? Yeah, it's not owned by wave lake. They are well aware of that. But they they've done a really good job of creating an extensive list. I think that's a good starting point. So yeah.

Excellent. I love it. I think it's a great idea.

So if you have Okay, so this is a good discussion that there was this idea of having a different list of categories or visit a different genre category keyword list for for each medium, and this fits right into that because they really don't, they don't cross pollinate at all in any meaningful way. A music a music genres are really not going to touch audio books at all. Pierre so so it makes sense to have different repositories

from different mediums Types. Yeah,

and these are countries like, as we discussed on the GitHub, there's like controlled, you know, what they call controlled vocabularies, where you say, well, here's, here's the things that are the most common things that you start with. So if as you're searching to add a tag, autocomplete thing to help you autocomplete Yeah, and then as you and if it's if you just if the thing you're doing is truly unique and doesn't fit into a pre existing tag, you just add

start with this this already, Dave, we have a taxonomy for the person tag right. beyond what we did, it was created by a third party group. And when you add the person tag, you look at that taxonomy, as a defined list. That list is now static, and it needs to be updated. But fundamentally, that's what we work off. And we have the same one with Apple categories. It's a defined list, and we will work

Yeah, and I think that can just be thinking about where to put it in the namespace definition, it could just be in the medium tag, a reference to where those two those lists. Say, here's here's the list for this, for this tag, start with this list for this text, em or for this medium, start with this list, blah, blah, blah. And then where the lists are the definition of the way the listings work, could be some,

on click on that. And then you'll see just below the title in the next page, you'll see published by Scible. Scribble. Scribble. Yes, yeah, click on scribble. That is an audio book publisher page. So it's a publisher feed for scribble based on the audio books that they have. So that was a test we did with Evo.

Yeah. And I see Evos here as the person tag is the booking coordinator. Yeah, we just did is a very quickly. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. So like, so here's the question, though. The biggest gripe about audiobooks in podcast apps is the order of the episodes. Right now see that the order is, is being chronological, new to old? Yeah,

yeah. So we know that's a bug. And we're fixing that. So although in the RSS feed, we correctly read cereal, rather than episodic. What we did was we didn't change the UI, because we haven't had a reason to up until now. So we are changing it to be based on the series and episode numbers rather than the date chronology, which is what we've done in the past. And

are you going to see that in here's, like you said, this is where there's, there's this is where it's fertile soil as a greenfield because and getting a good looking UI where it feels like you're in an audio book app. Is is that's a that's a game changer. As soon as you have that it feels good people start like I listened to tons of audiobooks like the last couple of weeks, I've listened have completed probably for

on the medium tag front, I have a remark and a suggestion and business for anybody who wants to do it. I was reading a post which showed up on podcast index dot social from polymesh. I'm not sure who that is. Polly mash wrote a post is a no equipment podcast feasible with synthetic voice technology. And it was a whole thing about I should just be able to type it in and the podcast and I don't need to bring any gear don't need to do anything. And it'll just create

Have a look at startups daily, I met the guy, Podcast Movement in LA. And he's basically it's not quite the blog, or substack. But he's taking a article, and he's turning that article into an AI voice, and then putting out a 15 minute daily show.

Obviously, the thing I don't like about that, though, is that it's very difficult to satisfy everybody. If I have control over the voice in my app. Now you're talking like I want a woman to read this I want I want it to be this, this pacing I want et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I don't think AI will actually get there where people like it that much. I can't stand AI voice books. I've tried those like I can't it's just it's too robotic.

Anyway, use. I have used it though. Like once. I didn't think I ever would. But I was I was in the gym. And I was there was this long article, gosh, this this article was like 6000 words long article that I was trying to get through. And I just read I really wanted to get through this thing and I'll and I did the like read it to me function on the iPhone and just lit and I knew it was gonna get stuff wrong. And he was gonna mispronounce stuff. And I was like, you know, it's it got more

here's the two thoughts about that. So if you could control the voice yourself. And I believe it would belong in medium equals blog. A medium was, you know, type mp3 or whatever. So that, you know, so you know it's an mp3. Well, two things. One, we said, I said the same thing about mp3, ah, it's such a degradation of quality. No one will listen to music like this. It's horrible. It's sucks if the encoding is bad, no one cared. Everybody know, we're so used to

Do you? Do you have any plans to support the medium equals blog? On truth?

I think you've seen it already. Dave, when you go to our feedback, and you can see the blog, we've we've done zaps. We've done, boost comments, and then you can pay, you get paid every time you give us a bug report or a feedback or a suggestion. And in the blog, we've actually just put comments there and with with payment, but when it's not been designed exactly to what you're talking about, we didn't have that plan. But I don't see any reason why. Because it's RSS why you

Because I mean, I can I would love to have you know, that's it's it's funny this, this is actually a bigger deal than I thought when I first heard you talking about it, because I would love to have that. Have my podcast app be my RSS reader? Yes.

Well, that's it's exactly the same thing. I would, I would use it all day long. And I think I could probably get used to a crappy voice or a synthetic voice the same way I got used to NP threes. Are you kidding me? I would love and people. I mean reading I hate to say it but you know, reading is kind of less of a thing these days. And, and listening. And by the way, you can still have the transcript running along all kinds of good stuff like that. I really think that it would take

So we we know publisher feeds take a news feed from James and we filter it by the name of the publisher. So we take an RSS feed from pod News Daily. And if you're on one Drees publisher feed, we will show you a tab which has news related to wandering so that it's not an RSS reader Dave, but it is a filtered RSS feed based on the name of the publisher.

That's interesting. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I think I think that just it just feels like it feels like a greenfield to me. Yeah. You know, because it, they they're just not, they're just not that much different. If you think about it, I mean, it's content in well, everything is some so I think it's part of partly that. That thing of raw that Rob and Todd talked about, were they ever raised like everybody is

The Adam curry rule of technology.

Yeah. So if everybody's talking about video, maybe the actual correct thing to do is even less Yeah, even less media, you know, friend, even even like non non multimedia go to text. I

mean, Apple Apple. I'm sure Google has same thing. But Apple has all kinds of voice since its synthesis on board, you can tie into those libraries.

Yeah, and like I said, it was it was a it was a fun experience. And I chose the voice I wanted and and like I said it was fine. It was fine. And I'm sure the Google version of that's the same

it was fine and And it's still a podcast. It's just an art.

I mean, like these are, I mean, they're just posts and articles. They're not. I mean, you're not expecting, I guess, you it's different than

the bar is low, the quality of the expectation is low. Yeah. Because

you're half, you know, you're rushing to get through that thing anyway.

And how about this, see, once we get there, if we ever do, I will pay extra to have Adam curry read this to me, though, I will pay and you're just like, just like we had the that was, it was a big thing back in the day where you could change the voice on your GPS navigation, or celebrity voices. That could be an extra feature. I'm available, by the way.

Cuz speak to me age,

value for value. It all fits in the I would just love to get writers into this value ecosystem. And I appreciate what you're doing Sam with, with the zaps and the comment boost and everything. But this is such a non brainer. And if if AI really is so good, I mean, my goodness, James, every five episodes of pod news weekly review. He's like, Oh, Bob, and he plays a synthesized voice. And says, well, it still sucks. But you know, it's out there. Clearly, people are doing

And honestly, the best. I'm gonna bro I'm gonna broad brush this, you know, but the best content right now? Probably is written. Sure. I mean, there's a there's a lot of people that are writing a lot. And I'm not sure why. As far as like a renaissance of that, but there's a lot of a lot of people writing that there's a lot of good content out there that if that I find that I'm I miss if I just get sucked fully into podcast world.

But you can also multitask you know, when when it's being read to you. I mean, how often the only my wife and I read stuff to each other all the time in the morning. There's Oh, let me read this to you.

Yeah, and the one thing that Tybee does that I think is cool is that he pays a guy to read to read his posts. Yeah. And he has a feed an RSS feed of that. Yeah, it's like here, I'm gonna, I'm gonna write my stuff. And then there's going to be a narrator that narrates each post, and they usually come out. The posts come out a couple, sometimes a week or two

Yeah, you just confirmed it. I

just wait for it. I just wait for the podcast version. And then I have a specific playlist just for that feed. And when I get ready to hear those headlines and read and have those articles written to me read to me. I just hit that play list. And I start and I just start at the top and go down it's a it's an idea. It's a good idea. It's a good idea. Like we need more of those more ideas.

Yeah, should we take a little break play some music? I'd

love it. If Sam choose this

to know Sam didn't do that. I'm sorry. I didn't ask you. I'm sorry. At least I got your wallet. I got that part. Right. Well this is it was fortuitous. As I'm like oh we should play a song and before I even thought of asking Sam. I went to the split kit and saw right at the top of brand new track from the door falls. Well, you know me I have a weakness

in two years ago let me add you to you promise me I promise. Is this fighting for You're seeking it was Manson you set out to be the owner is this logo is to the slogan was soldiers in a dangerous this is True a gamma selfie is good money you promise me a promise

is worth fighting for lovers award that door falls on podcasting 2.0 Let's be honest. Who went to go to the bathroom? Oh,

I'm much lighter now. Oh, no.

Turn the speakers on everybody. Yeah. All right. Great song though. Yeah, I'd really opens up I'd like it. They got some screaming guitars in their door fools, man, those guys are great. We appreciate them in the valley verse.

I want to talk briefly just run through this real quick about the couple of issues I'm having to work on on the API. The API, there's a just finished up a new endpoint for transistor. And they're working on a 2.0 feature over there that they're going to release. And I had promised John Buddha that I would get him some an endpoint. And that's done now. So I've got a couple of things to go back and fix in the API has been neglected for a couple of months. And one of them is this

one? Yeah, we kept getting the wrong amount of episodes back. Idea. So minor bug.

It's a big bug. And so if it's like we, Steven B, God bless him, figure it out, somehow had this. It became really ridiculous to the point where he figured out if he puts in the magic number 2750 for the max parameter. Did that gives him what he wants?

Oh, sounds like a math issue somewhere.

This is now I know what the I know what the issue is. And the issue is that if you there has to be some sort of range, okay, because there's So many episodes. In the episodes table, there's 120. Well, there's more than that now, there's probably pushing 140 million records in the episodes table. And if you're pulling in, if you're doing a table join it at some point, if you don't range the request, with, with some sort of like, low lower bound, MySQL really does not

Like 50 is an angel number,

an angel number, what does that mean?

I never heard of an angel number. No. Angel numbers, a potent symbol of spiritual awakening enlightenment.

Well, it works. And I agree with this definition of the 2750 is accurate. This goes back this I mean, this code was written in August of 2020. Like in the run up before before we even launched podcast index.org. So it was like, basically one month of converting freedom controller into podcast index API. And it's always been gross, it's always been an ugly piece of code. So I'm going to have to go back and refactor that, but let you know, this function is touched by widely all throughout

Yeah, gotcha. Yeah.

So anyway, that'll that'll be fixed. The other the other issue is we're getting a lot more traffic these days. And I'm going to have to do some stuff to take some pressure off the database itself. It's not really of is it can handle it. It's just running hot. So real quick Another side effect of of this of the podcast is index API being being built very fast, is that there's too much stuff hitting the database. And I

Maybe, Sam, instead of talking specifically about activity streams, you've also been looking at podcast index social, where does it seem to you that people are most excited about into? Because obviously we need to integrate? Yep. Activity pub in order to do the streams? Have? Do you have a feel on what people are looking at? Is it comments is it follows is anything that you've seen anyone look at specifically?

I don't think Well, I think all the excitement is around what Dave and Steve did with with the bridge. I think that's a great sort of intro for everybody to go, Oh, I didn't realize you could do this. So I think I described it on pot newsweeklies saying that the metaphor we all need to get our heads around is that activity Pub is an inbox outbox, back end

So, Sam, how, how, at a low level how and integrated with activity Pub is true fans if I if I sent you a custom action or verb like, would you? Is that something you could accept?

We don't like your element yet, Dave. So we don't know we're building it. But we don't have it. Do we have the outbox element. So we have every profile, we have a set of activity verbs. And what I want to do is publish those so that we can all agree on them. But that, that would be like Dave, played pod news weekly, and then the attributes to that we can add it as an extension, such as the amount of value you actually

So if you so in your world, in the true fans world, you really have multiple actors. You have the you have the user and the podcast episode. Okay, and then you have sort of do I have an out in my much I'm logged into true fans right now. Do I have an outbox?

Yes. So if you go to your profile on the you click on the activity tab.

Okay. Yes, yeah.

That is your outbox. Okay. So that's all the activities you've done. Within true fans, whether you've played suggested followed, boosted, whatever you've done, you can see all the verbs in the drop down. There's a list of all the verbs there. So

is it simply an outbox, or is it also an active Push? Push?

No, we haven't done the push, pull is going to come. Okay. Okay.

So that so in the future, okay, in the future, I could follow myself on true fans from a mastodon account. And then or from another activity pub client, and then I can get notifications of of my outbox activity as pushes to the shared inbox, right? That's fine.

And if I go to your user settings and scroll down to privacy, you'll see that we've already said, hide all my activity, or just make my these verbs public. Right. That was the next step we worked on the step after is what you're asking is, Can I now publish those automatically? Or when we have no idea how we're going to do it? Totally? Can I publish those activities to my activity pub inbox? And the answer is yes.

love I would love to add, you know, somehow aggregate this because the thing that we don't have, in every, every directory is going to have the same issue. We we may, you know, people may act, the other directories of podcast directories may act like they have some top secret information in a way that nobody else does. But that's not true. We don't we have the same problem that everybody else does is we don't have first party data. So we don't know what we don't know

Yeah, for a lot of people.

Yeah. So the way that we've done it is if you are a creative, the owner of the podcast, right, or a music artist, you go into your creators admin dashboard, and we will show you all the activity streams from the people who are fans of your music or fans of your podcast. And that's an aggregated activity stream, you can drill down to that's the data you want, which is per podcast, you don't want the individual data, per se. You might do but you would then have

That enables the followers. You know, the, the followers in endpoint activity pub, like in a traditional activity pub in point has an inbox and outbox featured? I think one of the and one of them, I think, is called followers. So you can put probe that as well, I mean, like that, that opens up a whole lot of stuff. That is, that is super valuable. And I think that like, it also helps to cross pollinate between podcast apps completely in a way that's like a it's just

F posted just now on to Mastodon that somehow Oscar's showing all of the boosts from true fans and from other apps coming into fountain tonight. Right? So I assume you're listening to any any. I'm guessing. He's listening on the OB dashboard, for example, for any payments, and then he's aggregating it on to the episode for tonight show. So again, that sounds really cool. But I think we can do it. Instead of

I'm very excited by this. I really am excited.

Yeah, this, this is a must step aside

into your excitement. If I want to get any of your excitement on me. Yes.

I'm in I'm in sync mode.

I know. I know, you. I know you, honey, I know how you think.

Yeah, this is a, this is a big deal. Because if you have Yeah, this is the share. This is the sharing of this is the sharing of data across apps. And this is hard. You know, we talked about this a little bit, Alex jumped in. And we're kind of hashing some of this out about pod ping and how some of these activities go across the wire. And piping insignia specifically, I mean, these are things that they're not easy. But, but they, I don't want to shy away from them, just

it's just adding structured data to it. So the way I think about it is the activity stream is a user generated RSS feed of what they've done, right? And that activity stream, then becomes something that they can share. Now, I said it wrongly a couple of months ago when I said, Oh, why wouldn't the podcast index aggregate the activity stream

And I'm, I'm overdue for a, for a blog post about this so that I can just give app developers a little bit of a primer on how on how the basic endpoint structures work, because it's really, activity Pub is really not that hard. It's pretty simple. And I think a lot of people have been scared of it, because it seems like because it's, it's not well

To John Spurlock school, something he's working on, or has worked on called mini pub, which takes the weight of a full blown mastodons server, and just does the reeling element of it. Now, John and I spoke and I don't know if this is going to come back to life. And that's up to John, but he has something available there that could work as a relay. Because actually, if all the apps become full blown activity pub clients, then all

you know, that's good for the and that's good for activity pub for the whole ecosystem, because it takes the you know, it blunts this monopolistic dominance that Mastodon has ended up with.

Exactly, shall we? Thanks. Some people were two hours seven minutes at this point. Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah. And And as an aside, we are at block height 33 blocks left five hours 30 minutes and 35 seconds until the habit Oh,

how many how long until the heavens five hours? Five hours. Okay. So we will see we need to need to keep the show going for until seven till eight o'clock tonight.

We can have breakfast with Sam.

That's the title of the show. Breakfast was Sam. Oh,

goodness gracious Goodman. Well, how about I do the booths that have been coming in? Yes, I start that off. We are value for value of course. So the whole project everything Dave and I do here is value for value. Keeps everything running. We appreciate all of the all of the support we've been receiving. Doesn't matter how much how little but of course, outside of pay pals and onchange no one ever does. We are rarely

Sorry. Very nice. That's that's Sam's middle name backlog.

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Wow, that does I need a wise my thing working here. There was a podcast

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I blame the power outage for the AP bridge. He says podcast ap.com brought some extra pressure to the bridge server. It did but we're holding up good. Good. I've got we're still getting periodic reports of follows not completing. There's like a three way handshake that happens when you do a follow and on an activity pub where it has to you request to follow then it verifies and then it completes sends an invoice

checks the house.

Yeah. Yeah. So then sometimes that thing is getting interrupted and I don't know exactly why but I've got I'm going to sign up for an account. There's some there's a AP client called Sharky is evidently I think it's a fork of miski and it's evidently that's got a problem. So we've had a couple of days we've ironed most of them out but that one seems problematic. I don't know why but you are going to fix it. Thank you Steve. Appreciate that brother. See, we've got almost

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Why am I podcasting? Why am I doing this again? Yeah. Thank

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know we know we know there's love dripping off it everywhere is just

dripping it there's we're also a seen a big decrease in the amount of spam feeds coming from Buzzsprout. And I think they have been talking to Tom I think he's doing some good blocking now on IP at the IP level. And so I'm keeping an eye on that but they're they're trying to get things under control. Appreciate you guys. Listen, I'm having trouble. Oh, you're here this up Beats Music podcast $4.20 Thank you

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We get some boosts. Let's see if I can pull up the the booster dashboard. Here's the matting the booster Monica Jean been 1024 killer boost. The cast Matic he says if a podcast app has activity pub client functionality under the hood, and pod cat and pod ping is bridged to activity pub, then even serverless apps like cast emetic could receive and benefit from pod pings. Yes, yes. But you still need a notification

Always fun. We're gonna shoot. We're gonna boost

gene bein again. 1337 elite boost, he says Dave, instead of writing an audio book app, it'd be awesome if you expanded the audio book shelf app. No idea if that's practical, but it'd be awesome.

Must when you open an app I think it's open source.

Oh, is it no no, I didn't know that.

I believe so.

That's cool. All right. Yeah, that's okay. I looked at it.

I think you can do that Sunday night between 11 and one you still have some time leftover on your calendar. Yeah

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you go go podcast.

Thank you, Andy. Up in 1984. Three found a nice to see 4000 says he says back in September, I wrote a blog post in response to a discussion Chris Fisher over at Jupiter broadcasting had about advertising in the podcast space. It's not exactly what you were talking about. But maybe some ideas can be pulled from it and refined to fit in with your idea. Here's the address for the post https colon slash slash opp y 1980 four.com/sets. For ads.

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I've not read it because I just saw this sets for cash. Bill Prague, he's a hive guy through fountain 2000 SAS. He says protocol that you use for pod paying as optional for decentralized communities everyone can access. It also has accounts that everyone that everyone can access. What you were talking about apps is exactly what it is. What is happening with apps on the protocol. I use one when I want this is either autocorrect

No, it's Brian. Brian bill is drying of London writing under a pseudonym. Okay, Bill, Bill, yeah, Bill.

I use one when I want to post something. Other one for comments because as easy reply system, one that's better for notifications, but all of them have access to the data and are connected. Clearly a hive endorsement they're 20 to 20 Do road ducks from car and it's no more just mere mortals podcast they found he says apologies I've been MIA no you don't have to apologize car and I'm trying to spend as much time as

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Todd Cochran big T 50,000. Says the fountain been listening but have been busier than a one legged man and ask kicking contest. Sometimes you just got to put your head down and work headed to pod fest Asia shortly to spread the Gospel. Happy podcasting.

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Thank you brother to see. Yes. And I do see the Linkin Park rules. I get that one. So I'm going to jump over here. delimiter limiter, calm straight blogger 24,000 SATs through fountain he says Daddy Phillip Bitcoiners Adam and Dave. Happy Bitcoin having to you. I would also like to recommend the complex candour podcast. You're welcome to subscribe it complex candour.com. The podcast covers a variety of topics including language motivation, wellness,

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Thank you for inviting me guys. I loved it.

Of course we'd love to have you back. Thank you very much boardroom you guys. Were great today. Dave brothers. Thank you so much. What are you laughing?

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