Episode 173: Pugnacious Proclivities

podcasting 2.0 From March 29 2024, episode 173 Ignatius proclivities Hello, everybody once again, welcome to the official board meeting of podcasting point. Oh, this is where we discuss podcasting. That's right. You may be in Los Angeles, city of devils. You may be hanging out there thinking you're discussing the future of podcasting, but it's all right here and it's live every single Friday afternoon, everything going on with podcasts, index.org, podcasts, index dot

That's, this is this is where I furiously try to eat as much popcorn as possible while you're doing the intro. So that my mouth is not full. When you pitch to me, well,

well, people should understand that. We have day jobs. Your day job is actually a Monday to Friday. And you have a job that requires you to be very active right around tax time, which is twice a year in your world. It is October and April.

This what is this? I saw a picture of Sam Sethi heading a board meeting of those something about 2.0 in Oh, no. Oh, yes. Angeles. Oh, there's a competing boardroom?

No, no, no, no, no, he has offered himself to be the spokesmodel for the for the spokes. Oh, I think spokesmodel is better for the podcast Standards Project. Yes. So they have a meeting out there.

What are we doing here?

I don't know. I didn't get a memo. Did you get anyone else in the boardroom got a memo? I didn't get a memo for you did

make an appearance at Podcast Movement though. Which looks very much like the Bill Gates. 1984 Apple, and it

was exactly what I was thinking. I had no idea. So James very kindly asked me to produce a video about podcasting. 2.0 about two minutes. Well, what can you do in two minutes? So I that's what you said. Dude. So I did and it was just me static in the studio, in the way it portrayed, which by the way, they look really nice. That room, the stage looked nice. Everyone had nice theater seats. You know, great background center stage. And then on either side was a

you did the best thing that you like, this was the ultimate win. Win win for a Podcast Movement is you get to be there but you don't have to know.

Exactly. That's the best way to do it. I'd like to attend all conferences that way. So just hit me up and I'll record a video for you. No problem. No problem. Yeah. So I was listening to how you doing brother? You okay, everything good.

I'm digging my way out of this out of this allergy hole.

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We have we have crap right now. We we've got it here too in the southwest, Southwest.

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just got over cedar fever. We have that. The trees just go. And they also emanate this cloud of stuff. But hey, that's why we live here. We live we live in in these areas for the food. It

makes our makes our bodies stronger. Boot Camp like boot camp for, you know for your immune system. So

we have a couple of things to discuss. And I wanted to start off with some advice and some some historical experience and experience. Because we're there's some things that are moving off track a little bit and it's specifically as it pertains to value for value So I want to do a quick little Redux and re introduction for many what value for value is and the how I have made it work for myself, and for Jhansi. Dvorak for 16, will be it'll be 17 years in October.

you say we've lived off of it. I mean, like, this is been your full time job for 16. For no for

for 1414 years, probably for almost 15 years full time, but I've not done anything else. I've tried some other things. But this, this is what has paid the rent, has put a couple kids through school has kept our wives happy. Although no, that's not true. But which one is which one,

I'm making stuff up.

And then there's a very good website value for value dot info, value number four, value dot info, which explains all of these things, because people are starting to treat what we have in podcasting to point out as other things. And I just want to give my experience, how it's worked for me and how it was designed initially. And sometimes it's good to just have a reminder, and this comes from conversation I heard on pod news weekly review,

where, where I knew this was coming.

Well, Sam has been working well. Sam works with lots of people. And I really appreciate what he does, because he'll just throw everything at the wall and then go out and throw it in your face to make it stick. And And this, by the way, activity streams, which we'll get to. I'm glad he did that, because it got me to open up about that and think about and I'm kind of excited. But he's been working with Barry at pod home. And when I heard that they added was a part of Phase seven.

And that's not I mean that that sounds like a trite thing. But I mean, let's, I can't tell you how many advertising roundtables I've seen where they have they talk endlessly for 20 to 30 minutes about how to get the, the, the host to show up for a meeting where they can describe what they want him to say. Yeah, it's this is this is not a this is not a thing to discount. No,

I'm not, I'm not. And I've been in commercial broadcasting all my life. So I understand that extremely well. I'm like, here's an opportunity. And so I didn't want to do that knew that, John. At the time, we also were in a company that ran on advertisements, and we saw that it was basically cheap, the content is produce the content as cheaply as possible and then put ads all over it. That's you know, like a NASCAR only put the sponsor stickers on the windshield. So we decided to ask

I can confirm, I can confirm this. In many ways I've, I used to have, along with a friend of mine a, an apologetics ministry here. And we did things in many states here in the south. And we would go to our and our initial idea was we wanted to bring it for free. And we would just ask for, we would ask for donations. All of us were too scared, or too nervous to ask from the pulpit or wherever we were for a donation. And then And guess what? Nobody, nobody ever gave us any money.

asking you shall be answered. Yes, knock on the door shall be opened, seek and you shall find. So yes, this is this is prophecy. So we asked, and we got a lot of people sending $50 This was very surprising. Not only that, but several people sent $500 And one person sent $5,000. All because we asked the difference between $200 in a month. And it was probably six and a half 1000 Because we asked in one episode, we never looked back. Now this

needs to be documented like in I would love to hear the evolution of how this sounded on air. Time.

Good one, I'm gonna go I'm gonna look for that. That's a very good point, because I want to know exactly what episode we started that. That's, that's a great point. Thank you. But I can probably look through the transcripts. Very quickly, we noticed that people really wanted a reason to donate. And one of those reasons would be that they would add a note. And on Pay Pal, you can add a little note the notes. It's, it's changed over time as to how long that note can be in

the same with it same with this show. I mean so every time every time Steven crater goes and fixes a podcast duplicate problem in the in the database it's that's a monetary yeah seem to me yeah every time Eric every time every PP submits a version of Hello pad to start nine or to Umbral that's that's worth an immense amount of monetary and time to me Yes,

exactly and to me we're both dealing with with stuff but to you much, much more anytime someone does something, a pull request for the website with an update. It's all time talent and treasure, even just sometimes sending a happy email saying thanks for what you guys do you know how happy that makes me happier than $50? Let me tell you that it makes me feel really good. So then we gamified it because Jean said, Hey, I made $1,000 on a nightly I got nothing else, you know, I have

yeah, yeah, well, that was the whole feed. Yeah, in theory chapters, right.

But it was really to get this going and then over time that evolved into booster grams, which is now replicating with almost zero friction is replicating the idea of a PayPal payment with a note in the message. Right. So that is how value for value works. And you can listen to no agenda you can

way around. It's

the other way around. It's a nation with a common Yes. And if we're if we're treating it just like so. Apparently, there's some outfit that's in Los Angeles, pocket.fm. And they raised you know, 100 million dollars and they're doing microtransactions. It's not value for value, that is microtransactions. The value for value is it is a monetization system. It is a programming format. It is not the microtransactions is just what it does. But when you force

I think we're, I think there's some fundamental misunderstandings that financially with with things and it's under, it's just it is understandable to me how those things can get misinterpreted. One is that one of the misunderstandings is that things is that there's a fundamental difference between the audience behavior, when you're advertising supported, when you're when you're value for value, or when you are subscription based human

if millions of YouTubers can incessantly ask people All, too smash that like button hips that hit subscribe, and make sure you click on the bell, you can easily say please hit the boost button. How hard how I mean, how hard is it? It's and they say the same thing you really support the podcast why?

The Yeah, and the other thing is set, SATs Satoshis Bitcoin, the boosting all that stuff that that that is a distinct thing that is not value for value. But you could you could take with somebody could create an app tomorrow. This says I'm going to create it somebody can create an app that has subscription based podcasting, podcasting, and you unlock the episodes with boosts. That is not so so inept payment, boosting Satoshis Bitcoin streaming, all that kind of

Correct. Also, it's programmable money, and we could do all this cool stuff because of its programmability we never had that we still don't have that with with with PayPal, this

It's not because it's Adam curry IK. If it was, I would listen to the show. I don't I'm not occurring the keeper listener. Like it's not a it's not a cult. It's not a cult of personality thing. It's that's a brand new show that started from from Greengrass. Yeah, yeah, that this This is, yeah, this is this is important. It's just, I think it's easy to to misunderstand these things and begin to drift. I think. I think this is an important thing to like, Reese recenter. You

it very easy and and the more you ask, the more you shall receive. I mean, it's really true. I mean, this is look at your own life. Eventually you see the the GoFundMe for something so many times you like, you'll start to think like, I should probably support that. And then you go and do it. And you and you go look at the site like oh, look at all these beautiful messages. People are saying, Look at all this, oh, this is cool. Look that mean, now they also they

be over. Oh, yeah, wouldn't have lasted three months. But we have a real

ask. And we put an hour we have a couple $1,000 We put in ourselves and now it just runs itself. Now, we also don't need to live off of this. And we don't. So no. So it's a particular value proposition. But we're very clear about it. And we thank people, we're very grateful we thank people. Anyway,

that's your the there was an article in the Wall Street Journal on LinkedIn this morning about the Atlantic newspaper, magazine, the Latin magazine, and how they became they went from basically sucking wind in huge debt to now they're profitable. And that I liked, the whole article is very good. Lots of good stuff in there. Now, of course, their subscription based thing it's not they're not value for value. But one of the bests, like I said is ultimately this is not

Look at Leo with the twit network with the club twit. He's so close yet he can't bring himself to ask him to join Club twit. And you'll know it's $7 You know, and then it says that you can give more. No, no, everybody's in club to it. Support he would he would be okay. If he just he can't because he can't get over the asking part. And yeah, there'll be people that email you or post on on X or whatever and say you're begging for money. Okay, yeah, that's fine. No, all right.

Well, this this the one quote I liked the most in that Atlantic article said. Their editor in chief said we believe as an almost ideological and idealistic notion that we make something worth by Yes. But it's it basically he said they went from just begging for advertising revenue by

by creating lots of output because that's what you have to do. And

then and then and then being a slave to the CPM and to Google to Google's ad search for me, basically, from that to a different mindset of we think that our stuff is

valuable. Yes, there it is. There it is.

You know, and that's, that's, it has worked. Yeah, they're, they're profitable again, and they're not they're not about on the you know, the verge of bankruptcy. You know, from that thing, but I think this is a you know, if I can, if I can sort of swerve swerve us into talking about all the stuff that song about pod verse and downloads versus listens, and then sharing sure

the floor is yours.

If I don't die first, don't die now. Okay. Let's see. Well, okay. I've got a hadn't had an opening statement. But now I have a pre a pre opening statement. Thanks to as you would say, there is no there are no coincidences in the kingdom. No, sir. Mo pod. I don't know if you saw this. I did not. This article from from Bloomberg from Ashley Carmen. So it came out she wrote this article yesterday saying that

Oh, the game stuff. Yeah,

yeah. In Game mobile ads that would trigger a download. Well, it's, she kind of she broke a similar story yesterday. Then it's, it's about some a similar type of scan for this company mo pod is they the way this works is they'll give you if you sign up for the seat, this kind of secret service that they don't actually advertise, they go, they they they talk they contact you about it evidently and say hey, we can do this for you. But it's not a product that you can see on

Would you like some reverb?

Just kidding. Yeah, yes. I want to take a drink.

Could you give it the name of that book again that you're reading? Oh, heretics

by GK Chesterton is only good ahead and lay my cards upon the cards on the table at front and

you want to want to explain the issue so people know what we're talking about. Okay. Opening statement. You have five minutes. Oh, God. I'm doing my C span Senate hearing. Reclaiming my time? Yep.

The the issue that I'm talking about is a couple of two or three weeks ago, I forgot how, how many again now. But pod pod versus pod verse there embedded webplayer came under fire from some people on podcast index dot social, for auto download for auto downloading on page load. Essentially what what Mitch was doing is he had the audio html5 tag attribute on the embedded player set to preload equals metadata. So that he could get the length of the episode.

And the reason if I can just interject my understanding the pod verse, embeddable player is for clips. And instead of chopping up a clip of making a new file, you load that web player, it then looks at the entire length knows the timecode goes right to it. So when you hit play, it'll start playing the podcasts at that point in the file. That's what I understood. So it's, it's not just a listen to my whole podcast in this player. It's specifically for clips. Yes.

Okay. Yes, that's exactly right. So that that was the argument that Mitch said, Mitch, Mitch made. So in Mitch, Mitch mitches arguments, he needs an app, he needs accurate audio duration, you know, to for that slider on the page, to determine you know, where the clips are going to land. And to make a nice user experience, our RSS durations, and feeds the time, the times that are put into the duration tag that attends duration tag, those are those are completely out of I

My objection to the whole conversation was twofold. One is the notion that advertising is keeping this whole industry afloat. No, that's not true. hosting companies and podcast app developers are keeping podcasting alive. That there is some unwritten contract suddenly that I'm unaware of as the inventor, co inventor of podcasting, I'm also unaware of this. There is no contract, there is no unwritten contract contracts or contracts. You

It's like banner is so this, this reminds me of banner ads that started allowing JavaScript to execute on the page. And then, you know, shocker. Browsers start getting hijacked with with with, with spyware. By doing, you know, paid shenanigans. And then the advertising industry griping that people are using ad blockers, or ads that are ads that when they don't load, successfully break the page layout where you can't even read the page and you have to keep

as the legendary John C. Dvorak once said, it's no

sweat off my balls. Whoever wants to get his blog, pod verse is problem. So creator is respected. If the Creator doesn't want that shows to show up, they can just block pod verse is everything is fine. Stats. Stats can just be they can be gamed, as we've as we've seen time after time after time, you know, with

and where's the outrage today? Where's the outrage about mo pod? I didn't hear any outrage. Where's the outrage? About apple? The only outrage we hear about Apple's iOS 17 is well they really screwed up the industry. Yeah, because it was phony baloney. And we all knew it. We knew it because of the dare I say glitch. That happened several versions earlier that dropped everybody's stats by pretty much the same as what is now done by intent.

What what do podcast apps get from these charts anyway? Nothing is always apple. The charts are always the same Apple and Spotify with these nice clean lines up at the top and then everybody else basically clumped into a rainbow at the bottom of the chart that you came to discern. And

I'm colorblind I can't look at these charts and I have no idea what who's who anymore.

It might be it might as well just be labeled other you know, just for everybody else we lived through. We lived through Apple Core media for you years and years. Yeah, I mean, the iOS 17. Download pocalypse, which nobody saw come in the you know, I heart and now mo pod in game advertising scams that nobody understood until they were broke until a news article was written about him. But trust us as long as the 50 most used podcast app, web embed stops pre loading, then everything's fine.

standard? Well, no, I think it's something else. And I understand it. So and I'll give them this. It's frustration that is vented at an easy target. Because the frustration is the frustration of not having a reliable listening statistic, knowing when someone heard an ad, and all these other things that affect downloads, it was just an easy way to vent frustration. And that's how I saw it. And that's why I stayed

But we all use ad blockers in our web browser. Yeah.

But that's not respecting anybody.

Like it really it but we, but we, you know, we understand this is messing up clean stats for creators on the web. But we do it anyway, we justify it through all kinds of various arguments, some of which are valid, but we use a different standard in podcasting, you may expect apps to never mess up stats on behalf of their user experience. Yeah, you know, even though we do and in our browsers all day long, you know, we we say, well, this, you know, this, this website is

wrong, we basically have an ad blocker, it's called the 32nd. Skip. We have that's what everyone uses it for. Everybody knows is bogus. The industry knows that everybody knows it. This is why in advertising, we say half of my advertising budget is working. I just don't know which half because you don't

tons of email. Clients now block tracking pixels. Oh, yeah, for sure. That's not respecting the creators, quote unquote. I mean, we I just the the podcasting measurement side of things. They're uncom, sometimes completely unreasonable. They expect podcasting to be treated completely different than the west of the way we treat the internet. Like Marco. Marco, started ignoring prefixes a

And it was growing up. Yeah. screwing up the whole. Okay. Yeah, that's all right. Add. Okay. Stop talking about add, yeah, I speak dog. Yeah.

And so like something something like charitable would get on an ad blocker list. And now all of a sudden, overcast download fails.

Well, this is also what screwed up the twit network. If you read what Lisa Laporte wrote, which I can't, because she blocked me. Where she says everybody has their own ad tech. And then you have, you know, 15 different prefixes and trackers, and then all of a sudden one of them breaks and you lose everything.

Yeah, exactly. And that, it, it he reversed that decision and stopped doing that. But that's not the important part. The principle is that he, of what he did, is that he chose what his ie shows what was best for his customer first, like so. advert, you know, ad supported ad supported podcasters have a customer. And that customer is the advertiser. That's right. That's who they sell to. That's why advertisers are called buyers. That's right. The advertiser is buying what the

What was gambling going on?

Yeah. You know, I agree with with people like James and John Spurlock that not preloading gives cleaner stats, I agree. In, in the, in the absence of a compelling reason not to sit in preload to none, is a courteous thing to do I get I agree with that. You're, you're you're just gonna kind of play nice, so to speak. And I don't want to ignore that. But Mitch has said, he has a compelling reason what to him is a compelling reason. And that's, that's enough. It's the case,

Well, there's one on the horizon. And I like it. I like it a lot for a whole bunch of reasons, because I think it can help everybody. And this is where I take it to the high note. Get us out of the pit. That's right. I'm crawling out of the hole with you Dave. You grabbed my hand. I'm gonna eat some chocolate. All right, you eat some chocolate by the way. There's a severe cocoa shortage. Oh,

as yesterday ration this. Oh, you better hurry is a little bit of a big piece. I mean, it has has easier.

activity streams, I think is a dynamite idea. I really love the idea. I've listened to the podcast. I've researched it. Please stop telling me it's a W three standard, therefore it's the best bullcrap. It's. I'm so tired of that argument. The donate three. See, I'm already I'm already in SAMSA Thea, Bharti and I like the idea

that what is that? The most important thing about selling is knowing when to stop selling. Yes.

Don't Don't sell the app I've already bought in to

So you have been handsome Hold on discussions with people about about various things as we always do, and I'm not that bothered about the like, do you like Jupiter broadcasting and fountain they're doing this live experiment where it's like live commenting on their show, basically an info chat room type of deal, like our, like IRC type of deal, but in but in like a web page, but then it's, but

Hairston firestop pugnacious definition ready and able to resort to force or violence. pugnacious. Okay, got it.

I think there's in general, too much of that between noster and everybody else on the planet. So I'm looking for

this is the problem who's pugnacious,

all of us, we're all we're all combative about things. So I think if we is I'm not that bothered by what, by their experiment? Because I know that we can, we can just bridge it. Right, which is my question. Yes. And so that's, that was my long answer to your question. To which I think we can just Britt,

That's what that's where I started I said, can we bridge it because I just want to take the high road you took it to pugnacious?

No. You did use the P word.

Did you pulled out the P word man. Dang.

Let me like I just in general, I would like to calm down the you know, calm down all of that stuff and try to be because I know we can fix it with code. Monkey like you said we can we can fix it with code.

Yeah, yeah, I

like that. I like that. Rather than rather than I think what made me soften

on this is your good nature and your loving heart.

It is you knew he knew sweetie like it's like a like an acre and they'll look on the sidewalk in in you know in the spring you can just be step on any just squishes the what has softened me on this is I think I'll see and all the the Mitch pod verse stuff, animosity. You know I'm like well, rather than griping and saying, you know, you're gonna do it this way I'm gonna block you. Like, rather than doing that we can say, you know, we'll just build some software and fix it.

Right.

You know, we'll work around, we'll work around other people's proclivities of what they want to do and will bring that content out of their stuff back into back into the broader thing that we're participating in or that we believe in.

I'm all in I love it. Yeah, shall we play song?

Oh man, that'd be great.

This is what I chose today is a song that I heard on this week in Bitcoin I figured what better way to show the power of music and podcasting and to play it here as well two weeks in Nashville This is moneymaker boy

gotta go rounds I won't let this go No I am not your money you really get a message that good drugs that's true. Well let this go no I'm not your money you don't know me so tell me how you like yourself that this goal no I am not your money so sick and tired of this CNC what you want but I won't ask me I want this goal. No, I'm not your money look this go. I won't I won't. I won't ever let this go.

That's how you start a Friday. Wow,

that's a that's a good song. Isn't that

though speaking of pugnacious, pneus yeah, there's a lot of pugnacious pneus in the music value for value world against wave lake. And I would ask everybody to think about what you're doing there. Because the best way to show that music in podcasts and how it really works well is to not boycott artists that happened to be on wave lake.

So I didn't know that was high. This this is a lot of pugnacious,

pneus. And you're hurting the artists first of all. And second of all, the more you do that, the more isolation there is, where as I love showing everybody including the artists on wave Lake and they know how to speak to artists that they have a vibe going, you can't stop it. It's like tick tock. You know, they wouldn't have to ban it in the United States. If they could compete against it. Sometimes just you can't do that. Just the if something catches a vibe and

With we need to we need to get rid of the pugnacious pugnacious proclivities.

liberties oh man to PS

this Yeah, no, don't don't don't boycott people. That's this

now, but there's also just a vibe of verbiage guys, no good, but you know, they approaching it from a different perspective. I mean, look at what happened with with Libsyn. Because we all bits lips, and now they they're now that they hardly want to do anything, because you guys are mean your bullies?

Seriously, which, which I thought was interesting, because what we've been told is that the reason that we they weren't doing it was because there was no support in the apps. Yeah. But now it's now that they're supporting the abs. It's like, well, it's just really because you're mean. Yeah. So I've never been mean, we've met with them. Yeah, plenty. I mean, we've met we've met with them twice. And there's

a lot there's a lot going on in telegram channels and all kinds of places where people talk smack and then

this is that is that is something I think maybe people don't know, there's a lot of these. There's a lot of these. There's a lot of secret Slack channels in the podcasting world where certain people hang out, you know, like sort of the gatekeepers of podcast and the podcast industrial complex, hang out and like talk about stuff and talk about other people. But that's that's the thing. I'm sure there's lots of things being said in these channels that we're not aware of, because

Yeah. Should we thank a few people Dave so I can get you out kind of on time. Oh, yes. So we are value for value. You've heard all about it. I don't need to explain it. But here's our Ask and our Thank you segment in the same way we package it in one it's amazing. It's a twofer. It is a twofer. Thank you very much anonymous for sending 3333 for the jam in tune you just heard that always helps. The artists will love that. Sir Brian have London 11,948 sets that is a nice

Yeah, this is something that that Brian said video that Brian sent with a guy had a he had a I did not know this was called an oven glove. Yes. I just in the south we just call everything a pot holder. It's just anything that keeps your hand from getting burned. I think

oven mitts in the UK have an MIT

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it. It even us it's my tweet now it

even works for live. Oh yeah, if you look at

the AI No, that's what a tweet. Oh yeah, you know I used to have all the different links in there for our live show and I now just have that

episodes.fm And it has the podcast apps do live it's fantastic. Yeah, I love it. It's got an outstanding product that was assumed to be bought by someone no doubt.

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I'm just managers. Producer producer. Yeah. 10,000 SATs from San Seth Sam Sethi coming in from true fans. He's in Los Angeles right now by with I thought was very funny. Both he and and James are appalled by the state of the Los Angeles airport and downtown Los Angeles. Yeah, why do you think everyone moved to Texas? They ruined the state.

I got I got a an Uber a few months ago from some from this lady. And I was talking about something about I just gotten back from Dallas, I think in is that what it was? I can't remember anyway. But I brought up gas prices and she was like, she was like, Man, you don't know anything. She's like I just got she said I'm moved here from A to Birmingham from Los Angeles during COVID. Oh, yeah. And she was like gas was like $7 a gallon. Yeah.

There's a lot a lot wrong with Los Angeles. Yeah. And

I asked her I'm like what, you know, why did you leave? She was like, I couldn't live there anymore. It's just she was like it was just a hellhole. Yeah, too

expensive and a hellhole. So Sam says next week, my booths will appear in your social interact tag. All right. Looking forward. Nice. Okay. And another 10,000 from Sam from true fans. One click Apple Google Pay to SATs wallet is now live. One click Apple Pay. Apple. Yeah, he's

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Yeah, I've got it pulled up on my browser and we just didn't get there to talk about it. Yeah, I don't want to give it short shrift.

No, no, no, no short shrift. We're not none of that. All right, Dave Europe?

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very much. So crayon. Love it, brother. Yes.

Let's see what we got. I guess it was a great

name by the way. Salty crayons a great DJ name. I love that. That is everybody's LT cray on here Friday afternoon. My daddy wasn't Beatle is better

than James Andrews. Born DJ. I'm

gonna go look for some air checks of James Andrews.

Andrew grommet ducks 2222 from app. The app is wherever Wherever I think this must be a test boost. I

think you have to just say wherever. And I heard Andrew is going to be on the pod news weekly review soon. So that'd be great. I'm looking forward to hear and we should have him on our show too. And

Andrew says, Go podcasting.

That's right brother go podcasting.

Get gene been since the boost, he says, interesting take on a classic song that's just for last week's song left to know how they handled the rights side of things. That's first and on the dock of the bay, I think.

Yes. Well, I don't know long answer, but the answer is, it's a borderline case. It only works if you believe that. Now let's take the streaming out of it. If we're streaming, we're technically broadcasting we're tech the game violation. If I put a song into a podcast, I need to have permission from the owner of the master. And that master owner needs to have paid for a number of copies being made of that song. Which is impossible to know impossible to know. And, and I've had many

Yeah, well, yeah. And I

don't want a waiver they could get in trouble they can get in trouble for allowing this anyway. But

that's up to now. I will want to I do want to say a waiver Lake is being good about they. There's people trying to post stuff as usual, as you would imagine people are trying to post copyrighted stuff to their to their site, and I see them taking that stuff down. Oh, yeah. Good. So they are policing their system. Good. Which is good to see. Jean been sent a notice 1313 37 Cast Matic he says if Apple ignores a tag in their namespace, and I don't think the podcast index should

when I've already done that, right, we're not ignoring it.

Oh, no, we're not ignoring it yet. I'm just trying to I'm waiting. So James reached out to Apple to get a comment on whether or not they what their official stances. So we've been waiting to hear back on that good. Jean been another note 2223 casts medic, he says I don't think podcast apps need to have activity pub instances. They can have users that have users authenticate to external instances just like any Mastodon

I agree. That is absolutely the way to go. And it's

it's easier on the app because they don't have to do the operations have to deal with it. Up in 1984 4000 SAS through fountain he says if Apple is a monopoly with a 60% market share, and we should be breaking up the two party monopoly system with Democrats or Republicans. I'm a Linux and Android user. I hate the entire apple ecosystem. And I side with apple on this one. The government did not have a case against Microsoft in that case still had more merit than this

that's Thank you. I hit record. It worked. Great recording. Yep.

Oh, Dave Jackson. pocket for Hall of Fame podcast. 2222. Your cast thematically says showing booster grants to Tim. Tim Putra. At Podcast Movement. I loved your in James. Presentation. Tell puto you're in James presentation. Okay. I loved your video, I

guess. How do you spell puto? PRT? UPUTTRETT? Are a who is Tim? Pune?

Pune? pooter.

He is. He's a podcaster. Yes. Okay. That's right.

Well, thank you, Dave Jackson, appreciate your brother. Come out. We're gonna make sure that we have I gotta make sure I didn't. I don't have stragglers. I didn't have a straggler. Okay. Morris podcast. 2100 says, Oops, I started a post delimited trend. I repent. To quote Michael Jordan, stop it. Get some help. Thanks. Thanks, Gary. Yeah, and get calm. WooCommerce. So yeah, we got the delimiter where I lost him. Oh, here's your blogger 20 1000s through fountain. Wow.

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exactly the same thing. Yes, thank you.

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right, thank you all very much for supporting podcasting 2.0 the podcast but of course, you really supporting the entire project, which includes everything that's running, everything is running and liquidity. I had some problems opening up channels to a couple people I'm not quite sure what happened but still here hit me up Adam at podcast at Adam at podcast index dot social and I will open up a channel to you. I think Chad F might still need one. So hit me

Did you see the hedgehog? protocol layer two protocol? I heard

about it. The first thing I thought was, oh, is that something we could use?

It it actually looks pretty rad. Because

you can you can send a payment. And the other person doesn't have to they accept it later. Is that what I understood?

Yeah, it's, it's you it's using layer, it's using layer one. It's basically it's using a thing inside of normal layer one bitcoin scripting, to do a sort of loose channel, where you can send somebody where everything where you can, you can basically just send a payment. So it's like lightning, send a payment, but it's not broadcast until the channel quote unquote, closes. But then there's this. But there's a an in script function where you could revert back where you can

Oh, cool. So it's kind of is it invoice list? So you don't have to have an invoice first?

I believe so. I think you just need to name a bitcoin address. Yeah. Pretty nice. And I love it. Me and Alex. Yeah, when we announced we're talking about as I mean, you could actually do this. It's it's protocol. It's sort of like Wire Protocol Independent. So you don't have to actually, it could go over any

protocol don't even actually don't even need to be connected,

I guess. Yeah. You could do it over email. Or, or like you could do it over you could have you could have you could have like a lightning channel over XMPP Wow. Over hive. Wow. No, no. Yes, yes.

I'm gonna send you some stats through hive. There you go.

There's this there's this. There's like a supporting wire protocol. That's called like what is it? I forgot the name burrito. It's some other animal things like this. This is anthropomorphic menagerie of terms within your language today

your language today is off the chain man. I'm loving all these I'm learning words.

Words I guess it's too much I can't keep track of all this. All these terminologies like they try to get hedghog like whatever, man, but anyway, it's really cool. I

would like to play with all right. All right, well, man, I wish I could pull that I so yes, I know you'd like to play with. Alright everybody. That's it for the board meeting episode number 173. Brother Dave, thank you so much, man.

Yeah, you too, man. I'm trying to mute button myself. I'm coughing my head off. I

hear you. I hear you will feel better. Have a great weekend. And everybody out there in the boardroom. Thank you for joining us once again. Thank you for participating we back next Friday with another board meeting of podcasting 2.0.

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