Episode 170: Ones & Zeros

podcasting 2.0 for March 8 2024, episode 170 ones and zeros. Well hello everybody. Welcome to podcasting. 2.0 the podcast, this podcast I'm talking about the past the current and the present of all podcasting. That's right. This is the board meeting and we are a boardroom that meets every week come rain or come shine I'm Adam curry here in the heart of

It's better than not having a show you're you're

literally came to the board meeting with baling wire gaffer tape and crayons. Yeah. gooby gone and stuff. Whatever. crayons. Crayons.

Yeah, this was like, I came in here and this is how it started. All right, great. Grandma beef milkshake. Yes.

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grab the blended up the beef milkshake in a hurry, as usual. And then come in here and it's 12:27pm Yes. I first thing I do is always change crank up the chat room. That's that started fine. No problems in the terminal client. Then I opened brave to get into clean feed. So I click brave and I look away for a minute and I look back and brave is not on the screen.

What was on the screen? Nothing. Nothing. Was it blocked? Like

yeah, I was like whoa, wait a sec. It's still just a desktop. Where's brave? I click it again. Nothing? Wait, what what's going on? So then I go to pull up I gotta check H top to see if the process is right. This is only been to you as this podcast which is Ubuntu

your your Ubuntu install has been nothing but trouble. It's just as rapid

is not trouble anymore because it's dead.

All right, okay. It's

like went so there's nothing in H top nine. What is going on? I pull up.

Like you heartstart H top and there was nothing in the list.

No, there was no no brave. Okay, okay. I gotcha. Yeah. But then I hit I'm like, you know, I wonder if this is disk space. So open a do a df space in

a dash H for human readable? Yeah, for human readable.

And it says 100% usage. There's 0% free.

I'll do it every time. Oh

crap. So I tried to reboot cleaned up some space cleaned everything out. I could think of clean and I had like four gigs free. rebooted, and it just would not come back up. It was completely dead.

What what is your log file? What what rants Oh, nuts on your I don't know. Is this is this your your Umbral as well? Oh blockchain. Blockchain is on a separate vault. Oh, okay.

It's on a complete it's on a different physical disk. Actually.

The Bitcoin went up so high that is ruined your display. It's

70. And it was like,

everything melted down when that thing hits 70 It's beautiful to watch.

It was low. This is like Altamaha, Pfeiffer syndrome. Oh,

well, yeah, of course. Of course, there was a guy who sold or a guy Somebody sold 1000 Bitcoin when it hit, you know, the all time high two days ago or three days ago, whatever it was really? Oh, yeah. I mean, okay, that day, that'll drop the price on did $70 million in one goes Beautiful. Good Lord have mercy. But even but even more beautiful

you don't understand what state of mind

I'm trying to calm you down. I'm trying to calm me down. I'm just trying to change things are you broadcasting from Jhansi DeVore X office now it sounds like all the CANS on the ground and stuff.

I was just trying to move a plate out of the way after. It was like one thing after another after another, and all of a sudden, something fell off the shelf and I'm trying not to die. Please, please continue with.

I'll go back. So it's, it's a savings technology, which is how I've been using it. You know, we buy a little bit every single day when we've been doing that since it was under $4,000. But it's just, it's so it's this five year cycle. And so it's great for the working poor, the middle class, and it's teaching a whole new generation about value about true value when I was growing up, they would tell us well, you know, it's like compounding interest. And if you save a penny a day,

in the early 80s, I started my business career, the IBM PC was introduced in 1980. And Microsoft came public in 1986, came public at 14 times trailing and growing 40% a year. And at the time, if you were in the computer business, you were at IBM, or prime, or DAC or Wang, and, you know, mini computer was really the thing and a lot of people regarded these PCs and toys. And I think it's an interesting analogy that

I just really liked the idea of of showing that data ones and zeros can be very valuable just depending on how you assemble it. And, and the same goes for RSS, the exact same thing. RSS data is is going to be incredibly valuable move it already is. Unless of course, you work at Andreessen Horowitz and you're a douche. Here's another clip. This guy Chris Dixon, have you ever heard of this guy?

This name sounds very familiar. Someone

sent me this sent me a link to the YouTube which I put in our show notes and and a clip. Excuse me. He's one of the founders of Andreessen Horowitz. And these guys are all about web three, dead the future blockchain and he wrote a book called Homeless second, I have the description here.

It's called why I'm better than you. Pretty much

Chris Dixon has been a general partner at Andreessen Horowitz since 2012. He founded and leaves a16z. Crypto, which invests in web three technologies. Through four decades funds with more than $7 billion under management, this has got to be the smartest guy in the world. Previously, Chris was the co founder and CEO of two startups, site advisor, never heard of and hunch and also never, but they were

And then I think specifically, you had kind of a horse race. For those who were really in the weeds back then there were there were things like RSS, which is a open protocol for doing social networking, which in the mid 2000s, seemed like a credible competitor to some of the proprietary social networks. Of course, that lost, you know, it's still around, but it's, you know, most people you talk to on the street don't say they use RSS as their social media. A

The guy interviewing or whatever is

successful, why is not successful at its original vision at all? Yeah, I mean, it's like HTTP two there uses transport layers in some cases, but they're not, you know, they're not the you don't ask an average person, how you get your social media, and they say RSS, right? They go through a company. And so anyway, so that kind of led my argument is that led to the current state today, where you have a small number of companies who through these, these network effects have now

run with your money away from that guy as fast as possible.

Yes. Yeah.

I mean, that shows you the complete ignorance, which we could call nice. I learned that the word nice in Latin also means ignorant to he's a nice guy.

Like this, like this play on words. Yes. He's

a very nice guy. And, and he he's completely missing the point as to what I mean. Does he even know that RSS powers podcasts? And what do you think does he think is YouTube? I'm not sure. And then, yes, go ahead.

No, I was gonna say if the if the podcast industrial advertising complex, if they had their way he would think that YouTube is podcasting is exactly

exactly. So then show

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yes, this is actually this show beer today is a gigawatt Coffee Roasters, Ethiopian Yirgacheffe. Snack, snap to coffee. Yikes.

Yes. Yes. That sounds impressive. Yes,

I will be trippin balls by the end of the show, for sure. So then, I go to the new generation, the generation who gets it, who understands what we're trying to do with value for value, and he's on a little stage at the Bitcoin Atlantis. You know, I think it's called the Open Source stage, which you know, The it irks me to no end because Bitcoin Conference does that as well. What is the big Bitcoin Conference?

They have the Bitcoin magazine thing Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I know.

That tent over there where it's 150 degrees. That's the open source stage that's where you belong little boys and girls, but

it's like the it's like the podcasting 2.0 session Podcast Movement in the bag next behind behind the lunch, you know the cafeteria or whatever. Yeah, they will

they will rue the day they did that by the way. Yeah, sure. And who is there explaining value for value but none other than fountains very own Oscar Mary. So,

how do you approach this? What are what are your

by the way the conversation at this point has been not so nice in Austin, Austin, Austin, Austin, Austin, Austin, Austin, Austin, Austin, Austin Austin not Nasir Nasir tools, tools, tools, tools. noster noster. Thank you. Here comes Oscar. So

how do you approach this? What are what are your views on that if

a value on the other side of the equation? Yeah, I think just one thing I'd like to mention quickly, before I talk about the tools that we're building is that there's actually three components to value for value. The first is the monetary component. But often people think that it's just that that value for value is just about how much money you can from your audience. But there's actually two other

Yeah, yeah, totally. beaut

it's amazing. It's been 15 seconds and Sam Sethi has not yet boosted in that. True fans is doing all of this. I'm surprised because he is because he is That's why That's why yes, he is.

This. So this this is kind of in line with some things I've been thinking about because the big thing this week, or one at one of the big things this week has to really last a few weeks, honestly is the Apple for Apple versus EU.

Oh, yes. PWA is versus everything else.

Yeah. And you know, part of the problem with with this is, it's very hard to follow, because there's a lot going on at once. And you end up I think Sam and James ended up sort of crossing some wires on this too when I was listening. Oh wait, there's

MCFD Let me check. Is this Oh, no, no, no, not yet. Sorry. Okay. It's

given to him. He's he's on In this first class of one. So, you know, the issue has been a couple of things happen. And there's, there's the, the DMA, the digital markets act in the EU, which told Apple effectively that they had to open up and allow alternative app stores. Yeah, that those rules are not those rules are not fully in effect yet. And Apple released their plan for what they're going to do and how

specifically from Spotify for it, right.

Yeah, the Spotify, you know, attack is, essentially is what that was. So you've got, you've got these two things happening at the same time. And these, we haven't talked much about this and fairly for good reason. Because I mean, it's not really what, what our thing is, but it does affect ad developers, I mean, affects true fans with the data in the here and here's the third thing, they they said, Okay, we're gonna

think everybody wants to be valued. No matter what, that's a good way to put it. And can I just interrupt you for one second? Yeah, sure. Wow.

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100,000 SATs from Sam Sethi. Whoa, I have given up telling people what we are doing smiley face. Okay. That's how you do value for value people. That's how you do you ask? And he delivers?

Don't? Don't give that up. Sam, keep doing it. Yeah, of course,

don't give up at all. Absolutely.

Yes. So this has all been very messy and haven't really but then then this thing happened this week with the two, you know, the $2 billion AWS customers just start thinking when it comes to when it comes to monopoly and competition, and antitrust. And these sorts of things, I think that it's important to keep some kind of some stuff in mind. You gotta kind of read, what's the best way? So you gotta you have to read your brain of the idea. First of all, that is that these

that's very interesting way of describing it. And government regulation is just a product. I like it. Yeah,

it affects the market in the same way that any other competition does. So if you're apple, and you have a hard time getting something, getting a supplier to provide you with a with a part with a part that you need for a price, this is not going to affect your your cost adversely. That's really at the end of the day, no different than what a government regulation might do to you. Your it's still just different ads. aspects of the competition that you face on a daily basis.

Google who can't launch a new product for their life? Exactly.

So okay, I've got a theory on that out, but I'll, I'll put

a pin in it. Put a circle back. Yes.

The end. So the these huge, these huge company and I think the reason I thought about all this was because I didn't expect you to go straight into the Bitcoin angle immediately. And when you did, it made me think in these terms, and so the, these huge companies they fight against their own laziness, their own entrenchment. Their, their own hubris, hubris, their own pilfering of people out of important parts of the company into parts that are not

like an open source project, except people hang in there because they're getting paid.

Because they have a 401k Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, if we had 401 K's people would be geography,

very mad at each other all day long.

And so the, the history of monopoly law, and because of this reason, because of that, truth, the history of monopoly law, and antitrust is a history of short sightedness. And you can just see it the the whole history of antitrust is littered with it sounds like I'm defending apple here. It's going to but I'm not really this is I'm just kind of talking in general in general terms here. Breaking up Standard Oil, when they had already failed to make the transition from kerosene to

would based on your argument, I would say they're going hand in hand. It actually benefits these companies. Yes, yes. Yeah. And the shareholders and the shareholders.

Yeah, companies are dumb. That's the other part of this you know companies are dumb they chase things remember? Remember clubhouse and how everybody wants to say for about six months oh

six months it was longer than that and we sat here and went no, no, no, no, no, we had no dog in the hunt because we have no money or product and we went No that's not it. Before

that it was it was blockchain. It was machine learning. It was self driving cars. It was augmented reality on cars

flying cars is next time I love the flying cars. Look it has 6060 miles of range Okay, okay. Before you need to charge for five hours okay.

The bigger the well you know Apple just get they just can't finally canceled their smartly smartly car thing but they

were they were hiring people for a salary of a million dollars and bonuses of millions of dollars in stock options.

And a bet they're doing the same thing right now with their we're gearing up for large language models for sure for sure. And the bigger the company the worst this effect is the biggest companies are the ones that always shoot themselves in the foot. And your companies are just groups of people. governments are just groups of people. Oftentimes they're the same people. In government people groups aren't

No, I have not French

economist. He? I think he was 1870s 1880s, perhaps. Yeah. So he is, the law is a fantastic thing is a very short book. And his basic premise is very easy to construe. His premise is that if it's not moral for you, for you, as a person to do it, to do a thing, then that thing doesn't become moral, because you get a bunch of friends together and do it as a group. So he's basically saying you do more morality does

I asked Chad GPT

would you like the quick summary? Oh, yes, please. In

the book, he argues that the purpose of law should be to protect individual rights and property rather than to redistribute wealth or regulate people's lives. He criticizes government intervention in the economy, arguing that it often leads to unintended consequences and violates individual's natural rights. He advocates for limited government that respects individual liberty and allows for voluntary cooperation in society. Sounds like Trump.

Yes, he's nice. He's 19th century French. But that it's like this, this. This, you can't you can't go, you know, you can't can't go string somebody up in in in response to something, you know, vigilante justice, you can't get you go string and people up. And then as an individual, but you also can't then get a bunch of people together and do it. And then it becomes okay. And right. And it's like, and you end because you call that group government. Yeah. Doesn't also doesn't make

this is playing out in the US as we speak, in a very underhanded way with tick tock. As the legislation has been reintroduced or tick tock, we it's malware, it's digital fentanyl. It's, oh, no, it's spyware. They're taking its national security, no more or less than Instagram. Give me a break.

I love that,

in fact, comes from Gallagher the guy who introduced the get rid of tick tock bill, which conveniently forces tick tock to make all data and videos exportable in machine readable content. So it can be imported into I don't know, Google. The guy's top donor is Google. I mean, it's so transparent.

Okay, so this fits in with let me go to my let me go to my Google thing real quick, because I think, I think I think all these companies that are going all in on AI, and large language models, I think they're all They're crazy.

Rude. They're crazy. They're crazy.

They're going to rue the day that they did this. So Matt Taibbi recently went, went through and talked about that he looked himself up didn't we

play this on the last show? No,

this was different. This is different. He does a different thing. He said that what he did was he got into to Gemini everybody got distracted by the images. Yeah, the gym but they they missed the larger problem, which was the thing is completely unreliable in every aspect. Almost. So he, he said, he said in last week's podcast, they said, Well, I went in there and I said, what are some controversies involving Matt Taibbi, he just basically asked it about himself. Yeah, exactly.

I have a clip for when you're ready. Okay.

So what are some controversies involving Adam curry? Oh,

no. Oh, no. Yeah,

copilot said, Adam curry, often referred to as the pod father due to his early contributions to podcasting has been involved in a few controversies. One notable incident was the removal of his podcast no agenda from Spotify. The removal was speculated to be for commercial reasons as Spotify was planning to launch ads, but some believe there might have been other reasons behind the decision Oh to toe.

can literally remember the tweet where someone said that one tweet where someone said Doug curry got sidetracked he was talking about Bitcoin and then Joe Joe sidetracked him. I can remember that tweet, I know exactly where this comes from. Yeah,

you know where it can't you know, the references it gets read it, though

it read it there you go. Oh, yeah, well read licensing their their content.

Every reference that it gives in the footnotes are all from Reddit. They're

all Reddit threads. What could possibly go wrong? Yeah,

breaking this Reddit thread breaking Adam Curry's podcast removed from Spotify.

I removed it. I know

this was this is this thing is a misinformation machine the likes of which we have never seen before and is created by the people who are supposedly policing the misinformation. And I here's, here's my, here is my conspiracy theory. So we know for a fact that Google Brain is the is the origin of all of these trends, large language transformer models. I don't know if they necessarily invented it. But they definitely gave it their r&d to develop it into a real

Can I play this unreliable one minute clip from CNBC where you don't want your company talked about negatively with the big with your big 10 billion so called $10 billion investment? Here is the latest on Microsoft co pilot

well another example today of AI gone rogue and gone wrong. Microsoft's AI image generator creates violent and sexual images as well as ignoring copyright CNBC dot coms Hayden field wrote that story for us and spoke to the engineer who is making these issues public. She now joins us on sat along with our own technology reporter Steve Kovacs. So Hayden, if you would just give me a little bit of a rundown for viewers that haven't been able to get to your full story yet

one that got me sexualized images of women in car crashes.

What kind of sickos are they In the world, this is this world is broken brother.

Well, have you ever been on? On Twitter? Recently? All I see is people hitting each other punking each other beating each other up. It's horrible. It's horrible.

I think Google, because Google had so much experience with this. Do you remember? Do you remember when they vert? Okay, so when the first open AI stuff, Google

guys all went no, no, no, no, no, no, no, because we're gonna get forced into it. We don't want to do it. That's exactly what it when we that's how we called it. Yeah,

they open open AI came out with it. Everybody started freaking out and saying this is great. How to Google missed the mark. And Google's first response was, this was always unreliable. Yep. They said it this technology does not is not up to the task. Yeah, I think that Jim, I think the entire Gemini thing was on purpose. I think they rolled it out on purpose, knowing it would be completely broken. So that they would essentially throw a stick in the spokes of the whole

that's not how the market is interpreting it. The market is saying Google, you're passe. You're over there, the valuation is dropping, and I think the same will happen with Microsoft.

Yeah. I'm sticking with my theory. I think they intentionally threw a letter through a grenade. The whole idea, okay, and WinPE. And as soon as the these like that story, you played these little, these little dings that keep happening where it's like, okay, it did this. Now I got this wrong, not messed this up. People are gonna start to reference back to Gemini and say, okay, okay, wait, this thing is broken. This thing does not they, they were showing us

So now I want to bring this back to podcasting.

I was getting there. Oh, can Oh, no. Okay, I'll, I'll punch you up. When you get when you say what you need, say? Well,

what I was going to say is that all of these companies are crumbling around us. I've been in media since I was well, officially since I was 19. But you know, pirate radio when I was 1415, but really getting paid for doing it since I was 19. I have seen I've seen it all. And I know exactly I can I can see the landscape before me and it is crumbling. The streaming systems are crumbling, the whole, you know, subscribe to, you know, 15 different apps that are on your Roku or on your

Yeah, this. So the, the, the minute, if you so circling back to the monopoly and competition thing. If, if you're a if you're if you think about it, the brow any any platform, or, or a part of the tech sector that came up through the browser has sort of maintained its roots, it's maintained, its openness. It, it maintains its, its sort of ethos of openness. So and podcasting is one of those things. Because of RSS, it came up on the open web, and it's sort of it is, is

Well, the original Spotify was actually quite cool. Yeah, it was a peer to peer sharing system for about half a minute. Yeah. Then and then it got reborn and rebirth into into what it is today

into a DRM laced black box. Exactly. Right. So it's never going to be it. It will never be anything other than that. Unless there's a humongous change of leadership and and, and all these, basically unless the company completely turns out.

I don't think that can you. You can't even do that. I don't think it's possible either. And I thought it was kind of hilarious. As James pointed out on pod news weekly review how Daniel Eck is like, yo, it's an open open systems we believe in open and open. Bull crap. We saw what you do with podcasting, you blew a billion bucks. Right?

And so people don't want to see they they don't want to pay 30% And they want to be able to make to do payments off platform. Those are really the things that developers want. If you boil it all down, they don't want to humongous fee, and they and they want to be able to for to use their own payment systems in their apps. Because Because most device Lubbers came from

no way. No way that you're not going to do it. No, they're not, they're not

going to do it. But I think ultimately, in the end, it doesn't matter. Because RSS will continue RSS will continue to exist independent of these platforms. And when when, when the EU and when antitrust regulators and these people, sort of these regulatory bodies begin to make begin as soon as they begin to get aggressive, that tells me that within a few years, there's going to be some sea change. Because they're

Yes, I remember consulting for them. Yeah, they they didn't

take it seriously. No, they did not. And within 10 years, they were fighting for their life. And they thought they also thought Linux was a joke. Now, most of their Azure cloud revenue comes from Linux, and I don't know,

4% of all desktops in the world of Linux. Now, that's not bad. No,

no, that's not bad at all. That's not bad at all. And I think there's something I guess from from an app, you know, our focus here is as podcast app developers, and specifically independent ones, but every but all of them. And I just think that I guess my message would be none. You know, I wouldn't worry about these things too much. Because I think they I think they are going if history is a judge and it is these things will play themselves out and you will be

Pod sage has spoken.

You take it to the bank. Yeah, but I mean like, so. I don't know if you saw Hello, Pat now has webhooks

Oh, no, I did not see this. In the spirit of openness. I did not see this. No. Did that mean that you can receive something on heli pad and you can make it post something or do something cool. Yeah,

you can. You can have helipad send a web hook in response to some event that happens. Oh,

wow. You mean like triggering a flashing light in your studio? Like I was at Burberry, who has been doing that?

Anything like that, um, anything that can receive a web hook? You could watch him wired up. It's okay, Eric. pushed to Umbral start non yet, but it's in the code. Okay. Oh, that's awesome. Mr. Eric P. P. Yes. This is gonna get really fun.

Oh, you kidding me? It's gonna be fantastic. Yeah. Oh, man. Well, this is exactly. So I can I can publish that as an activity stream. Yes, you could. Yes, you could. Now you're talking now you're talking? Oh,

we need a web hook receiver. Somewhere on the other. You know, the other end?

Oh, that's fantastic. To do crazy. How did I miss this? Um, must, was it in the GitHub? I didn't see it on. He

published it. I think last night. Oh, here was my first thought. You don't need this is sort of like you a built in boost bot.

Yeah, you don't need to split anymore. You can just tie it into something. Right?

Yeah, you set up a set up a web hook to go out to some sort of receiver and then it posts wherever you want it.

To do ah, this is me. orgasmic ah, If I leave you to that is cool by the way thank you thank you Oscar for fixing your T O V records now I can see what songs people are boosting Can you reply it? No not yet he wants to think about that which is fine

doesn't have a thing he's gonna have a think

when he has a thing interesting things come out I have for some reason and you grommet can't get it to work right? I'm not sure. And I it's way beyond my my knowledge. I see him trying. But it's not coming through yet. And I'm not sure why. He's

just not he's not pushing hard enough.

Exactly. Exactly. Try harder.

Spreaker Spreaker Yeah, about pod. They flipped the switch on pod thing now.

It's been interesting because I've been watching pod Pink Dot Watch. And they got a lot of foreign podcasts. I see a lot of Spanish language see all kinds of stuff flying through a lot of Arabic too. Yeah, I've seen that as well as I mean, are there is any of the like the big networks like any of those guys on it?

What do you mean big networks?

I don't know like I heart or something like that is it feels like I'm the one of those big companies is using Spreaker I could be wrong.

Maybe that was it? No. They've got a lot of feeds. They like 350,000 feeds now, how

did they? How did they come to this decision? Who was it Spurlock who was pushing them? Because I know that he was the first one to know about it.

Oh, earpiece was Spreaker is IRC.

Yes. My thought is our company.

The unknown unknown. Spurlock had talked to him, but then I think this originally I think it originated with Franco. Celerio actually, really? Because they're I think they're an Italian company. Maybe wrong. List. I think Brooker knows them. Oh, I know he knows somebody that works there. I'm not I can't say for sure. They're an Italian company. But I know Franco that's buddies with a guy who is sort of high

And why were they blocking us? Because they just didn't know what we were. Yeah,

they just it was just a automatic thing. They saw too much traffic and it started blocking. So I asked him, I was like, Can you whitelist us? And they did, which was fine. And I said, Well, you know, it would be great if you could do pod paying, because then I would I wouldn't have to pull you at all. And then they were like, yeah, we'll do it. And I didn't hear back from them for months. And then all of a sudden they were they sent me an email the other day, and we're like, yeah,

cool. And I I promoted this on no agenda yesterday, is that all those podcasts now can tell their audiences? Hey, if you want to, if you want to know within 90 seconds of us posting the new show, instead of waiting 30 minutes, 15 minutes, 45 minutes. Get one of these modern podcast apps. Totally. That's the beauty of it in my mind.

If for people who may not know how pod ping duck, so pod ping runs on the hive blockchain in that's all that's all set up. It does. Brian's got a set to do resource allocation as needed. And these kinds of things much a bunch of voodoo that I don't understand. But essentially, it runs on the public health blockchain. But what most the way most people interact with POD paying is through piping dot cloud. So

who's running that. Are we running pod pod Pink Dot cloud? Yeah,

yeah. So it's code. The Hive writer is code that that Alex run the Alex built in then. Then I built the web layer on top of it. And so it's just basically a web webservice that takes people's pod pings and converts them to the hive writer and then writes it to the blockchain.

So it's also on IPFS. Right. IPFS version, I saw

what that was, that was a test we were doing of IPFS of Pub Sub overloud p2p, that's that they actually rip that feature out of IPFS. Oh, really?

Good way to go, guys. Yeah.

And so, but we're looking, we're, we're actively thinking about ways to get around that and do some sort of gossip or p2p. But the reason I bring that all that up about the structure, the way it's built is that pod ping dot Cloud has five servers. It's got one in the western US, Central US, eastern US, one in Europe and one in Australia. So there's five global servers, those

are servers like, yeah, podcasts index. Oh, wow. No idea. Awesome.

You don't get the Cloudflare bill every month.

No, I see it, I see it.

I see it. Okay. The so then, so there's five of those servers. And they're, they're very cheap. They're only each one of them is only a $5. NANOG is the face to $5 a month Linode. VM, very cheap. And they can handle like, a gazillion pod pings. You know, an hour. I mean, it's just like the, the headroom that they have is, is amazing. And then there's a load balancer in front of it through Cloudflare. So that it gets geo geo location load balanced to the closest pod thing server for

it's doing over 1000 pod pings an hour.

Yeah, it's it it lit up like be like a Christmas tree. I mean, like it's now. So now Europe. Yeah. And that was just cool to see. Because it's like, now there's even distribution going on. Now. Now, Australia, Australia doesn't have a whole lot of traffic. But it's, it's always had more than Europe. And now there's this nice even load that's going on across across things. Anyways, it's just cool to see it's cool to see the whole thing function. I mean, in the last year,

to all you guys for putting that together and keep Makino for you. And Brian and Alex, Alex. Yeah, that's, that's so cool. That's so

in the hive watcher for people who want that's. So that's all the publishing side of the people who want to watch pod paying for, for changes like the way pod painter watched us. The GitHub repo has the code in it. It's the pod ping dash watcher repo. And it's got instructions and everything. It's very stable. Now, Alex made some changes to it recently. And it's very, it's very stable.

Now you can do if you're a developer, you can do a lot of cool stuff with this. You could build your own index, I guess you'll be missing. Lipson, but now

there's a few Yeah. Lipson is two weeks. There'll be done in two weeks. Yeah,

yeah. sometime next year. Oh, that was last year. I'm sorry.

Yeah, so anyway, that's cool.

That's very cool. I I met a guy two weeks ago, he came through the I was interviewed on the thank God for Bitcoin podcast. And, and Jordan over there said how you got to meet this guy, Zach. He's got something going on. And so Zach, this was amazing. Because it came to Jordan like yeah, I'll talk to the guy and he set up this thing called indie hubbed dot studio. And and so you know, he has he has a story. He's out in LA and

he started spell it is indie e Yeah, i

n d e Hu b dot studio. I don't know if it's publicly available yet. Let me see in the hub.

There's a page there. Yeah. Let me see. I mean, it helped liberate the art of filmmaking. Yeah.

So He, he, he did this demo for me and it was phenomenal. So he says, Okay, here's your, you know, here, here's your film. And of course, it was a dummy film. And he showed me on on screenshare. Right on on a zoom. And, and he said, you have an lb wall. Yep. He said, Okay, what's your lb wall and he was adamant, get lb.com. And then he, he hits play. And you literally see his wallet on the screen start to receive SAS and mine. I'm like, this is genius. This is exactly

Come on Sundance,

Sundance. Do you how many movies are submitted each year?

Oh, gosh, it's got to be so many. What do you think just

just as a

that's a I would say probably 2500.

More like 14,000 Oh,

my gosh, how he there's no way you could ever show that many movies. And

you know, and I know filmmakers and you know, it's it's horrible. They, you know, especially documentarian, they can't get listed. Amazon takes all your money. I mean, it's it's horrible that it's really there. It's worse than the music business. Yeah, it is. Yeah. So he set this up out of frustration around but you know, so he went a little. He basically outsourced all the development. And so they are running everything through the strike API. Which is

Medium equals film. Yeah,

exactly. And, and I said, you know, beauty, you know how to talk to filmmakers. This is why you're perfect. So here's, you know, I would recommend, Zach, don't try to do everything yourself. But leave it up to the apps to ingest all this, you know, to be the playout system. We already have four or five to do video very nicely. And you just talk to the filmmakers and help them set up the splits and everything and he's on board.

Yes Is ways wave lake for for independent

fulfilling? Yeah. So I mean, this is why I'm why going back to the conversation, the beginning, this is happening. And most of you out there who are developing X apps are young enough to see the success Dave and I will be dead. When it all comes to fruition. Remember when we put them out? Why do you say you know, this is happening? Concerts, all of this is taking place in our lifetime? And you know, don't worry, don't

And it's usually a secret ingredient to something that already exists. You have no

idea you really have no idea what it is. Yes, it's amazing to me.

You look back and you're like Oh, dammit What didn't I see? What it always the way it always works? Yeah. That's cool. I'm liking this because, you know, because Alex is trying to lead this charge with no agenda to for a long time in But I mean, it's like that's it, the technologies

are there. And this and this guy will need no agenda tube like functionality, because you know, he doesn't know what a bandwidth bill is yet more storage. But the cool thing is he understands how to talk to filmmakers.

That's what that's the ingredient. Yeah,

wavelength guys know how to talk to musicians and artists. Right? It doesn't mean that that doesn't discredit RSS, blue, or pod home, or self hosting or or music side doesn't discredit that

at all. No, no, no.

I mean, I use graphene OS because I want to have different things working on my phone the way I want to, but there's always going to be a market for that. But to kickstart things off to get things going you and these people are coming to us that come to coming into our system.

The the the radio receivers, the podcast apps are already there. It's just it makes things. It just makes things a lot easier when you want to write that side of it.

Oh, yeah. And you know, James wrote a very thoughtful article as a radio futurologist. Which I, which I did want to say something about the title of is why overcast is more than just a podcast player. And I think he really hit it on the head with something that I hadn't even really considered. And that's the voice boost. And I just want to put out there that I think he's right. See, I'm a I'm against silence choppers. I'm against speed listening, I think it's bad for

That's a good point because the is the voice. The voice boost in overcast, I believe is compression.

Thalia? It's compression, EQ, there's some there's some. I mean, I don't have an iPhone, so I can't evaluate it. But I know I know that. It's doing something beyond just, you know, plush 3d Bees.

Yeah, it's yeah, it's more than just jacking the volume up. Because when you just check the volume up the you make the loud guy too loud. And the soft guys actually is okay. But if you what you want is for them to be both at the same volume. And I don't know. I know overcast, is one of the maybe only if not very few. I want to say maybe the only one who runs the app has its own audio engine

doesn't cast thematic everyone cast

thematic may as well you have Franco Yeah, you're right. I think Franco also has his own. So like, so when you play when you play an audio file back using using overcast it's actually decoding the mp3 directly thrown frame by frame. Oh, wow. So it gets it's it has a chance. It's it's in the pipeline and it has a chance to do some of those magical things.

I think James really nailed it here. I mean, this Yeah, people don't realize why they like that app. They don't realize it, but it just feels good for some reason it feels good to them. And I think that's a big part of it.

Well, in your in going back to the India thing and the WaveLight thing, that's, that's one of the things that you that you get the advantage of there's somebody already has a built an app that they like, you don't have to convince them to change, you just publish through RSS, right? And you don't you don't have to, you don't have to write your own app. And then you don't have to put you don't have to convince

Oh, boy, I'd love talking just with you sometimes.

It's it's nice if as long as they don't come home and have to rebuild my computer within 15 minutes to play on Windows 11 The whole thing just feels

so weird. We play a song for a minute just take a little breather for a second

let's do it all right

all right. I know I like this yeah I don't know if I've played these guys on our show before but I played them on boosted grandpa I really like what they're doing and their way into value for value playing now in podcasting 2.0 This is the trusted Millennium remember to boost

cells to give children around a one that just no one's cry just cry with ease is one of these awards such as just want to be seen one ever want to see you tonight? was so much to do not enough to teach Hi, this is Amy

I just love that. I love those guys. And I was right. I played it on February 2 Dobie das popped into the chat and he of course has been tracking all these things on RSS Buddha comm slash top. And that's another thing. You know, I love these what I call 2.0 native podcast hosts. Yeah,

yes. That's pretty rare. It's pretty rare because you have somebody who's like, hey, I want to do an audio book. It's like, oh, well, here I got a host for you. Exactly.

Exactly. Yeah, is read. Yes. That's the right word. That's the right word. It's Read. Read. Totally read, bro. Exactly.

Oh, well. Thanks for people.

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is my is my computer NO NO

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one thing I've been trying to be careful of is that I'm afraid that my I'm afraid that my computer audio may be may come back through to you and I don't but I don't know for sure so I've been trying not not to touch anything because on the on the on the on the Ubuntu box it would not do that. I'm not sure if this does or not

something really weird happened for some reason it's the split kid is now is now broadcasting songs we're not playing but yeah, I know I know right? What what Okay, no, I have no idea why it's doing that let me see if I can stop this nonsense that's very very odd All right. Why don't you want to start boy this is bad I don't know how to stop it. Stop stops

getting somebody's getting set up right?

Yes, we are value for value. I'm going to kick it off with Let me see. Oh boy, we got some live books which are worth mentioning. herbivore band 3333 They also recently did a live lit and value for value gig thanks Adam for fixing up winds of change in the index and and playing on boosted Rambo

Yeah, we Yeah movies coming on the show cool.

Most thing um, hands down I'm most excited about for our concert as the stream will conclude with a full credit roll with all producers are donated being listed as associate slash executive producers very nice. Nice, lavish with 11,111. A boost is a thank for the Aynsley show being as sharp as it was time and talent indeed. And then of course is the $100,000 booths from Sam Sethi. We appreciate you Sam 1111 from upbeats salty crayon as usual. The noster farts sniffing Bitcoin bros.

It's webhooks. Ready? Yeah.

And Steve Webb, you get the Steve Webb one. I'll read it just in case.

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Thank you Oscar. He knows he explained value for value and then he did value for value.

Okay, I'm gonna give him a big Bala. Sakala 20 is Blaze on am Paula shoot you both. Thank you so

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thank you, boys. Thank you so much.

And then I hope you're doing well. Mitch, wouldn't you need to have Mitch on the show? So definitely rent. Randall black we get a new $5 month subscription from Randall no note from him. Thank you, Randy. Thank you. I appreciate guests and booths. We got Gina Ever it through fountain nice

I guess where they were talking about if he was back on YouTube.

Yes, right. Oh, we got 3333 from herbivore band. Oh, fro through fountain he says Would Love Live video support through I would like that too. And

yeah, we did we ask Oscar about that. And he was like, no, no, no, he wasn't too sure.

He wasn't big on it. But I mean, you developers, they do what they're,

they do what they want to do. They do what they want to do. That's right. Yeah. And

if when it if there's content there, there's enough and compelling enough and people need it. I'm sure he would do it. Yes. Jean been 2222 through cast Matic. He says Jean Everett isn't me. I enjoyed last week's show quite a lot. Wasn't me though. I apologize gene being I get you I get gene bein and Gene Everett mix up. Oh, my apologies. Oh, boy. See anonymous. 500 SATs says this song slaps. Whatever it was, we're happy to like to. Yes. Source de 1701 Star Trek boost.

They're messing with GPS over there, man. They're doing a lot of weird stuff.

IP address geolocation is so sketchy. We do so as part of part of Office 365. And these kinds of things that most enterprises use, it will alert you when somebody which is extremely beneficial, it will alert you when somebody logs in from a new location. That's not that's out of the ordinary for them. Sort of, it'll say it'll, you'll get an alert that says, you know, hey, this person's never, you know, is always in the same late place. But now all of a sudden

problem problem.

But this hat, but this gets triggered false alarms all the time. Because these geolocation just know, moved. Yeah, the IP address blocks get moved around a lot and they just like, Yeah, you can't trust this stuff at all. To see another anonymous five 500 says thank you for the for the song we played last week. 20 c 23,000. Set Wait. Whoa, is this the delimiter?

Yes, I think it is. I saw it come in Yeah. From CSB.

Okay. You read the okay. You read the Steve Webb. Yeah, gotcha. Yep. And then we got one from Chris last 10,000 SATs through fountain he says great chat. I'm really impressed with the direction of fountain they're building. I'm really impressed with the direction of fountain they're building. They're building something special. But what he wrote was what autocorrected probably was their building trumping special. Oh,

yeah. Well, we know what you're doing. Yes, we know what you're typing. Uh huh. Yeah, and camp can't fool us. Bruh

busted. Okay. Comic Strip blogger 23,000 sets. Fountain is the delimiter he says, howdy, Dave and Adam, complex candour podcast at WWW dot complex. candour.com is the place where armchair philosophy meets the Liberty minded lady, Vox and Sam tackle a variety of topics from both historical and strategic standpoints discussing how we got to this place and how we might think our way out of it. Welcome to the complex yo zsp.

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But he was enjoying this this sunshine. I saw you. I saw you talk to him about that. It's brighter in Poland. Thank you all so much. Do we have anything else or is that all of our that's

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Well, I'm not sure if that's I mean, having done value for value for 16 years. After Christmas. It slows down to around around this time it starts to pick up again. I don't know if it's related to the price per se, I'm not sure.

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Well, thank you all very much your group we are value for value, would we talk about it throughout the whole show, but I'll just remind you, that the podcast, the servers, everything runs on the value returned to the project. And Dave, and I take none of it. We just keep it in on the node, particularly the Satoshis. And we keep everything on AutoPay. So the servers will keep running if we fall down dead. We hope it'll be

fun to see once we die. How long have the servers were run until like, we're just not getting we're not giving anybody any passwords?

No, he's just gonna No, no. Hey, you know, you might as well download that database just in case. You never

know grabbing it until at the very end, go to podcast. Curious I Voyager One, it's still it's still taken out there.

Yeah, barely it, send them pings. Go to podcast index.org. Down at the bottom you'll see two red donate buttons one for your Fiat fun coupons. We we of course, accept your pay pals. But we love your arm on chain, a tally coin. No one today. But you know, maybe one of those guys who are getting rid of 1000 Bitcoins. And we're on our way you never know, which is good karma. Good Karma. And of course, what we really love is when you boost us because that is the full circle

Fair to saying yeah, you

know the activity pub stuff and you know where we're at? Because, you know, we kind of stopped talking about it. Because basically, you know where it's working? Is it just do we need to is there anything we need to do about it, just just let it run? What's the next step in this process?

I think from now, I had, I think I just paused it. Because this is a busy time of year for me. And it was mostly done. And it just runs. And then also needed to do some bigger things as I need to, to to return to the index and to the namespace to do some stuff. And that was kind of getting neglected because I was over there in activity pub world for so long. Like one of those things I've been needing to do is make a way for you to change a feed URL and the index. Oh, yeah, I

saw that. Thank you so much. That's one of the few things that I was frustrated about that I couldn't help people with. Yeah, that's really good.

Is it like it's like little niggling things like that, that are just like, you know, they really need to be done. But it's always been like at the bottom of this long list. So I got I'm doing those things. Yes. Therapy, right keys and addresses. Gonna take care of the fee stuff. And then

what's the queue send out? Oh, you mean? Yeah. In the namespace that change? Yeah,

yeah, yeah, some of those things that are just like, they're not big, huge changes, but they they're just they just to do thing, their to do list items.

You know, I love having, of course, I'm on the info at podcast index.org email alias. So I love it when people send stuff and like, hey, how do I fix this? And then I have the power to fix it. And I'm like, Oh, thank you. I'm so happy. This is so awesome. You guys rock. Yeah, always makes me feel really good. So now that I can, you know, I was like I was helping Steve Webb with his with his 2.0 feed. I did that on your

It's not on my to do list. And now it's somebody else. Someone else could put that on the to do list. I'll tell you one thing with the website that is on my to do list is following and podcast in, in the fediverse from the website to where you can like,

oh, okay, yeah, yeah.

Because the code and everything is already there based on what Nathan and Geller me and those guys did back then. So you can just like, I'm just gonna have to rearrange some of that code to get it to where you can say like, I want to follow this person and activity, this podcast activity pub, and then it pops up and asks you for your instance and all that and

yeah, back and forth. Now that's cool. That's cool. Yeah, yeah, I mean, with that, combined with the pod ping, people can basically build their own index. Just so it in by

which we can talk about this.

And before you do that, I want to say two things. One, I'm looking for web hooks, so I can point our podcasts and 2.0 helipad feed to it. Or web hook thing, whatever. So if you got an idea, send that to me, too. I've written down exactly zero show titles. No. So I need to show title boardroom. All right? Well, you want to talk about

I had somebody contact me through podcast index, email, and somebody from a one of these large language model AI companies that ever I think most people would know the name, I'm not going to say it. But they contacted me about getting all the episode data out of the index. And so, you know, typically, we don't do that, because it's 120 million episodes, it's 150 Gig database table. So we don't make that

did they want that? What what did they want to do?

I'm sure they just want to, I don't know, for a fact, but I'm sure they want to ingest it into their large language model. Descriptions and transcripts and all that kind of stuff. Got it? Sure. That's what it's for. And I guess, you know, and of course, I mean, I'm, I'm not going to say no, I mean, this, we give this We exist to give this stuff away, and it's free out there. So, you know, if somebody wants it, I'm glad to get him. I'm not gonna say, Oh, we don't like you. That's not gonna do.

But you still don't you still don't give them the email addresses in that right? Oh,

no, no, no, no, we don't get that stuff. So anyway, I just told him, I just told this person what I tell everybody and like, Well, hey, you know, if you want, I'm glad to give it to you. You know, if you want it on an ongoing basis, you know, I'd appreciate some sort of donation to come nib to cover our costs and value for value and that kind of thing. And because obviously, if you want it on a repeated basis, it must be valuable. So think about, you know, consider

do that? Do you mean to ask us for a donation? Or what what do you

not ask for a donation? But no, I don't have a problem with that. But because I mean, we can't make them and I'm still gonna give it to them regardless. I mean, it's not like that. But I guess, is it cool to give all this data to one of these large language model? Companies like that? Is there any mmm missing an ethical thing here? I don't think I am. I mean, it's just is what it is. Right? I

don't think so either. I mean, the best thing that could happen is, someone says, I'm going to set up a better index. Yeah, that's, I guess the best thing that could happen?

Well, if they set up a better index, I'll start using it. Yeah, exactly.

That's my point. That's my point. So I mean, that's, that's kind of the beauty. The beauty of it. I don't know, well, if anyone has any.

It was just an interesting thing. Because it's, I mean, this is I think this is a well funded company. I don't know how much they're valued at. But I mean, it's, it's a big, well known company. And it's all public data. I don't feel like there's anything

weird about, they're going to train an LLM, they're going to spend a lot of money building that LLM. So good luck to them, I guess. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's who knows what will come out of it. I'm sure it won't be any better than Google barf, or Gemini, whatever. It's called now. Copilot. I mean, czar, right. If you know, but yeah, you would hope that they would support us for that.

Yeah. I mean, if they don't, they probably didn't find it valuable. moved on. Yeah. Yeah, I would think I mean, this stuff is difficult. There's so much data in those podcasts, show notes and all that garbage. Man.

I could just good luck with that. That's really what you say. Sure. Good luck. Yeah,

yeah. And I don't you know, I don't ever want to like facilitate somebody doing something creepy, but this does have, I guess, system and feel that way.

Now do they say that worse for an LLM?

Do I mean that's the whole thing this company does. Okay. All right. Yes, their whole business model so I'm assuming that's what it's for. I mean, if it was for some if it was like a you know, some kind of like newsguard A Global Engagement centers and doesn't like that this like this. We're gonna look for misinformation. Yeah, no, no, that'd be like, go get it yourself. Yeah, but, but that didn't feel like what this was.

Well, we trust you. We trust your judgment

is a terrible thing to I don't even trust much.

Hey, brother. We started late, but I know you got to get back to the office. It's a busy time for you. So shall we call it? Let's call it Okay, everybody. That's right. We're gonna end it right here. That's it for the board meeting. Love to see you back next week on Friday, same time, same place podcasting 2.0.

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