Episode 167: Deck Darlings

podcasting 2.0 for February 16 2024, episode 167 Dec darlings Well Hello, we are back everybody. It's time once again to find out what's going on with podcasting. Yes, this is podcasting 2.0 the podcast that accompanies the project and brings you the weekly board room that sometimes turns into a dance party. Everything going on to podcast index.org podcasting.org, the podcast namespace and of course,

Look, sweetheart, it was just it was it was a meaningless thing. It was just a flame. You

didn't really mean it. It happened. He's nothing you were drunk you he means nothing to me.

He was a one time it was it was a one time weakness. I love you most I promise you I love you more.

It was just sex. It wasn't love. You missed it, you missed that.

I was scraping around for it. I couldn't find it. So we

didn't have a board meeting last week. I turned it into a dance party for an hour and a half, which actually I was one of my favorite booster Graham balls. I don't know why it just felt really it actually, I do know why because everybody was kind of around and they were in the chat room. And sometimes when I just do it sporadically, you know, not that many people are able to show up. And I was like, okay, you know, this is

as guilty as charged, I was trying to keep it from you because I wanted what I was hoping for is that we were going to do or you know, do a board meeting. And when you started to fire up show prep, you'd be like, what?

That's pretty much what happened. Like, what if I may say, you weren't quite good? You did a really good job. You are you're a podcasting talent. I just have to say, You are

the talent you are it was good. It's good. I will say that doing a scripted show is much more difficult than I thought it would be. It's that I'm so used. My first ever podcast experience was was with you where we just rip it. I mean, it's just like, you know, hit the button, go. I mean, there's no, there's nothing, no net, there's no, there's no net.

I ask you a few questions about the production? Because I've always been interested? Yes, please. So first of all, do you see each other on video? Or is it just pure audio? Clean feet? Okay, clean feet. Excellent. Second, do you hear the interview segments? Or are those skipped over when you're recording?

They're inserted later. Okay, so

All right. So that? See? You kind of you kind of missed the there's no responding to it really? After?

I did. I was so through. Yeah. Right. So I didn't know what was being said in the interview. So I wasn't sure what to say. But But I did get like, maybe like the script is really well. It's really well done. I mean, like it's Colorize and everything are kind of gonna hit in

an app or is it a is it a just a word doc? Or, like a Google Docs? Okay. With colors with colors?

Yeah, with colors. Yeah. and bright. My color was purple. Yeah, so it was I mean, it was, it was it was well, like, it was nicely put together to have something where other people need to drop in and hat and just kind of follow along. Like it only to the whole thing, the whole production, everything. I mean, like it was only took like 45 minutes or an hour of my time.

Right. And did you did you re record anything or just went straight through? Straight through? Okay. Well, you were good, man. It was good. It's, it's, you're right. It's often harder to I mean, we're just talking right? We're just doing a board meeting by now. We're old hat at board meetings. We can we can. In fact, we can be on your board. Anybody want anybody out there wants to good guys on the board. Just let us know.

That's a good money making scheme. We could just do other people's board meetings. Yes. That will run us there. Looking forward? Well,

we'll run it for you. Don't worry about it. So good. Yeah.

Give us a cut of your

Yeah. There you go. Now, but it was good. It was fun to hear you it was I don't know. I just liked it. That was nice. I was listening today and James is by himself. I'm like, that show doesn't work with just one person. It really needs to be to.

It's like new media show without Todd and

I haven't even listened to this week's show yet. Like,

I thought he was back and I started fired it up last night at at the gym. And I was like, in Rob started off. I was like, Oh, no offense.

Although I enjoyed thoroughly today, because when James doesn't have someone else there to catch, it's good to have someone to catch your mistakes. And about five times he said, podcast to.org I'm like, that's not the website, brother. That's not it. That's and someone else has it. I tried to register right away. I'm like, oh, that can afford it. Someone else has it already. So podcaster with podcasting. to.org Thank you. Thank you, James Cridland. Thank you.

Yeah, so it's it's classic Daniel J. Lewis. Totally, totally like this. Yes, marketing is slickness. It's very nice, very well done.

And in great, great domain could do great domain name. That

he somehow they I don't know who whether it's him or James came up with it. Maybe him I'm not sure but very, like he was able to take a an unmarketable term like podcasting. Yes. And, and make and salvage it into something.

I mean, I actually sat there with my mouth open going, I can't believe I missed that one. I can't, I can't believe it. That's like that is a genius. Genius. Fine for the, for the for the website of podcasting. 2.0 It's just great. I'm very pleased. And and it's it's very similar. It's the template that Daniel J. had showed us earlier. But it's just makes so much more sense for him to be created in his own environment, not trying to shoehorn it into the index

very getting run it and not have not me have to translate what he's doing into us. Yeah, it makes so much sense. Exactly.

Exactly. And, and this all happens at a time where RSS just keeps on winning. I mean, we're getting tired of winning, everybody is so much winning over here. And

he'll remember football.

You know, we've been away for 14 days. So we have a couple things to catch up on but on Hill dosh who has been around technology and blogging for as long as I can remember, wrote this great blog post called wherever you get your podcasts. It's a radical statement. And you know, this kind of comes at the same time with Joe Rogan reappears on all of the apps love that. Yeah, I mean that that really now on no agenda.

Call your daddy call your daddy quick and call her daddy. I'm

sorry. But also just in RSS in general. My stepdaughters here she's 29. She's in Chicago government, which really Oh, yeah. Interesting. Oh, she's phenomenal. She she an older and older and she's worked she she worked for an alderman previously. And now she's in City Hall. And she's, she's doing important things. I always say, I'm so happy that she's in there to destroy government from the inside. I'm very, very pleased. Very pleased

with Nick Offerman of Chicago.

He's great. At what she's saying, yeah. Her fiance said, Yeah, you know, he's, he's starting his blog, and he's doing everything in HTML. We really love. You know, we're all every every we the royal we so that's, you know, she's 29. He's 31. So let's say millennials, I think 29 is probably millennial. Or maybe not, maybe they're Gen Z. Not sure doesn't matter.

Good on her forgetting hitch before she hits 30. I mean, this is rare these days.

And, you know, everyone's back with all talking about doing blogs again. And of course, it hurts me when I hear that they're reinventing the wheel like, oh, yeah, he's coding it in HTML. So, you know, we actually kind of invented stuff that makes it easy to blog. And, and, you know, so they're also kind of rediscovering RSS and what they're what I'm hearing is, where are the readers? Where are the apps? You know where they are, what do you use for an app?

they want long form content that they can just hang out with in digest. I mean, I found myself wanting that I love just articles, just reading articles, long form text, things that you can just sort of like live with and digest rather than this rapid fire scrolling or scrolling attack that you're just having to defend your eyeballs from all the time. And no, it feels good. This. This is actually you know, this actually brings up an interesting point that was hit in the namespace

saw that I saw that Yeah, yeah.

And so this this is interesting because of the the podcasting. This gets into what is the difference between like, a podcast and a pot. What's it what's the difference in a podcast and a podcast? Like podcasting quotes, right, and podcast, lino literally in your thank you, Nathan, Nathan LinkedIn in the in the chat. And the podcast became two o'clock cast came to mean audio primarily video a little bit. Yeah. Sometimes in and are distributed via RSS. But it's

That's my that's how I describe it. Yes. Yes.

And that could be that could be a newsletter. It could be a blog. Could be a PDF. Well,

the HopStop. Blog typically would not be an enclosure. Right?

But it could be.

It could, yes, yes. A PDF, a PDF blog posts. Yes. Think

of it. Like it could be in reverse, though. So like you could have, for instance, a newsletter that's distributed as a podcast. And the body of the content of the RSS content of the item is the text is the text in the enclosure is the is the spoken version of it. It's like a pod, we typically think of a podcast as audio, and then you can attach a transcript. This is like a transcript that you can attach audio. So in reverse,

and you have an AI and AI read it and make that into an mp3. Yeah. Forward Unfortunately, most podcast apps is my experience don't show the description very well. So as an example, podcast guru only gives you half the screen. Oddly, so yeah, just scroll through this description.

But yeah, they cut it off. I guess they can't have a max carry. No, you can.

You can scroll, you can scroll. It's just it literally, if so if I open up like I had a lot with POD news. So pod news, we'll talk about oh, there's a link in the in the in the show notes. And James put the show notes in so then I have to go I have to back out of the out of the Now Playing and then open up the episode, but it still shows the album art up top. And then the Description field is half the screen below. That's that's not all of them. That's just podcast guru, which

And Emma Emma stretching it a bit. This is a filler. It doesn't feel like I am it does. Okay. So this is the here's this is in the context of, of medium. Yeah, by the way, we've we've we've gotten into namespace without any

without any vowels or anything. Yes, I mean, now it's time for some hot name, space time. Take off your shirts.

Wiggle your toes and I weighed in. But this is in the context of medium though so we're already sort of off off the rails have

the best with music obviously.

Audiobooks, yeah, so these are these are going to have to these really should be essay should let me I hate that word. These really probably our best

likely perhaps, somewhat

like somewhat conceivably, what conceivably, your human thesaurus we we were already in the realm of this is likely a different app, you know what I mean? Oh,

like yes, absolutely. And see how everyone's retooling and, and it's in some of the apps it's phenomenal I mean, but these things do take time for everybody to kind of get up to speed and you know, like the idea that you can save a save a song to a playlist I mean, that's only a couple that do that now. I think guru pod verse fountain I don't know if anyone else does it I'm sure curio

so the other day this this thing is this is a thing that happened to me cool two weeks ago so my I have a very my podcast consumption varies a lot I don't I don't know how yours is but I'm I'm a typically at a have specific shows that I hit on specific days I do so yes, of course

that's part of that's why you always want to release on the same day more or less the same time one of my golden rules I know that you're

you're right on top of my head on the media my hate listen

is pivot I'm on Mondays and Fridays I'm always exalted

Wednesdays just own the media

well Wednesdays is new media show live which I which of course I'm missing and on the media although on the media I can look at the title and go nope

I actually do that quite a bit. And

media roundtable is another one that starts popping up I'm like but those I decide based upon who's on it just one person you know, I might skip those media

roundtable needs a new pod needs a new intro.

Oh my god. Awful. And don't isn't that part of what those guys do? Don't they doesn't Oxford road actually do music for commercials and stuff? That's what I thought. bugging me too. Yeah,

yeah. So anyway, I've got off track. So what happened to me a couple of weeks ago was that my normal podcast rotation is typically I don't listen to no agenda until after this show. So Thursday's no agenda. I listened to us I listened to for starting on Friday night. Right. So you're fresh and because I'm fresh and fresh. I'm going in fresh because I'm afraid of hearing of being tainted. In hearing you say something on Thursdays no agenda that will influence our

How would you Oh, we're gonna get a review of the substack app experience.

It's horrible. Yeah. The the so the way that you listen to it in the app, is it's basically a link to a hidden YouTube video. Oh, no. You have to keep if you turn off the screen, it stopped stops playing Yeah, of course. Yes. So you have to I have to start. Yeah, I see your heart breaking.

There's a lot of complaining on Twitter BBB BBB. Wait, we need to do that we need to do that properly. And we go, this is how we do it.

This is dropkick with a red dash alpha message in two parts.

There's complaining on Twitter.

So, you have to start, you have to start the episode. And then in order in order to keep the screen on, but not accidentally touch the screen, which will stop the video, you have to flip the your phone around Switch screen facing away from you and stick it like in your pocket facing outwards. Because sometimes the skin capacitive touch from your skin will even go through your power.

Oh, no. Oh, no. Yes.

So this is horrible experience. And it will frequently lose your place. It was a nightmare. So I'm thinking, this is all a very roundabout way to say that. A, I can envision a sub stack podcast as a sub stack style podcast app, which will do essentially the same thing as the substack, app, aggregate blogs and newsletters into it, but also provide podcast functionality in a way. That's where they're where they're married, you know what I mean? It's and it's still

I've thought about this a lot in the last couple of weeks, and I come up with a different solution. What needs to happen is there needs to be a podcast index of blogs with an API that is open to developers that aggregates blog posts. And now, we actually know how to do that. We've actually put we've given the full format, the whole plan, the value for value, it's all right there. You can even use some of the code that is

I don't think it's for us either, because the number of the number of podcasts is is dwarfed by the number of blogs. Yes,

yeah. And just the number of but but that's what's missing, because that's why there's no blog search. There's no way to implement subs. I mean, the minute apple. I've told the story so many times in the past and doing some interviews. And so I remind myself over and over again, what really changed as we went from copy this RSS link, put it into your subscribe box to Apple who came out with the subscribe on iTunes, one click, boom, it worked on your iPhone or what

Google Reader became the index of blog. It truly

was the index of blogs. Yeah, it wasn't just the reader part was one. I mean, what again, what's so nice to do is index the blogs. You know, you can have pod paying would be beautiful and beautiful. I mean, all of this was invented. This was weblogs.com. Weiner had through what is it the what was he had an ex RCP XML RCP I'm gonna RPC XML RPC RPC. That's how you how you paint how you ping the web. blogs.com. And then, you know, we had trackbacks I mean, all this

hard disagree. Hard to I mean like if

it has an enclosure and there's something in the enclosure, then it can be a medium type equals blog. But it is confusing. Go

back to the example. Okay, go back to the example of Matt Davies blog. He really is running a blog. He's he's he has a blog on substack. And so his his blog, if you look at the RSS feed that's coming off of his sub stack, it's mostly articles, Text articles with no enclosures. But at least once a

I can live with that. If there's an audio enclosure that is a that's like here's a podcast I listen to regularly. So regularly, I can't remember the name of it. It's the breakdown. And the breakdown is a couple times it may even be almost every day. This guy Nathan key does about 15 minutes of macro economics, heavy slant on Bitcoin Battlin but macro economics. And on Sunday he does the Sunday read and the Sunday read is where he reads one or two articles written by somebody

that are that's sort of like a that was that podcast Bitcoin audible where he just read an article each week.

Yeah, that I'd yes, that idea. Whatever happened on shows I still around? I don't

know. I don't know if Yeah, but yeah, that that makes, to me, it makes sense. If he had if you had a newsletter that was primarily a newsletter, but they had audio. Yeah, or video content that was just audio versions or video versions of the newsletter that seems like it would fit as well.

Okay, I think we can, can say that these are staying in and we can move on the

second, Dan, so

moved, because I want to briefly discuss there's some actually, let's talk about this first. We are so legit now with the

like the way this is starting

so legit. Dutch broadcaster chiaro which I think is you know, the Dutch broadcast spectrum. You know, all the transmitters are shared by these organizations. And the organization's historically are around politics and religion. So this the Catholic radio organization, of course, they do television and you know, the internet but that's historically that's where that so the KR ro that's where they came from.

Is that recklessly required?

Well, they said they said they use it,

and they're using $5 monthly.

That Well, here's what they did. They said the pot I'm going to this is translated the podcast actually came from the podcast index database. This organization is committed to a more transparent podcast ecosystem and archives as many new podcasts worldwide as possible. Currently about 4.3 million podcasts. PII specifically gathers the RSS feeds the format in which podcasts are stored online. In the PII database, you'll find the name description and address

But when did they know that you're involved with it? No, no, of course not. Because I mean, like, that's, that's good that it came independent. There wasn't like an Adam curry. No,

no, not at all. Of course, people are sending it to me like Yo, dude, look at it. You legit man you legit.

You got mentioned

briefly on the podcast industrial complex, the singularly unhelpful phrase that I love propagating. Yes.

Correct. Correct. And we say more than, say many unhelpful things, not just that. We do. How do you at least have the board meeting as unhelpful? Yes, correct.

These iOS 17 changes have really screwed things up. I mean, I learned, I learned so much just by listening to a number of podcasts, but including some of the interviews with the Podcast, the podcast weekly review. It when I hear people talking about Well, the way we track is, you know, now we have a funnel of what? A funnel? Yeah. Oh, yeah, it's the it's the top line funnel to see, you know, what the actual, you know, pixel based attribution, like. So some people have lost

And crap, and that's worse than that's worse than the typical open rate on a me mail newsletter.

Oh, I mean, dude. I mean, no agenda gets, like 30% open rate, which is, is unbelievable, unbelievably high. So I'm just sitting there going, like, oh, my gosh, then I just hear people talking gobbly gook. And they're just trying to come up with ways to justify the the advertising. And yeah, I think there's many ways you can justify advertising on on podcast, but the numbers that I'm trying to keep within some

I don't understand I will claim some level of ignorance on on this with the Apple thing, because I thought that my understanding of the, of the changes in iOS, was that if you had a show, with lots with a huge back catalogue, that that was where the biggest issue was, that what they changed, was it it would not read, it would not download a bunch of old episodes, if you started listening to a new episode.

so here's how I understand it. So if you and I think it hits, regular shows, you know, like shows that are daily or possibly once a week, or let's let's take Joe Rogan as an example. So you would you subscribe to Joe Rogan? And you look at, you know, the guests like now, no, no. And then three days later, oh, yeah, this guy, I want to listen to that. You click on and then the app would download those, those previous episodes that you would skipped over. That's how I understand

Yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah, that makes more sense. To me. It's like with like with POD News Daily or its associates a short show. So you're probably just going to run through it real quick. I mean, you're not going to skip

And if and if I'm, if I believe what I heard on the last, from the last interview from this, I forget who the woman's name was, who they their business is to do attribution and numbers is that host read ads to the best. That's just what we're so. So the whole programmatic thing which is driven, which is a race to the bottom of CPMs. It just seems like a huge, it seems antithetical to what podcasting can deliver. And if you listen to Rogan, I still don't hear any

which is we're all like pre rolls.

No, not on Spotify. No, they they chop in every every 10 minutes. Used to be pre rolls on his back in the day, he would do eight minutes of pre rolls, which is not called a pre roll. It's called segment one. Oh, okay. I guess Cluster One, whatever.

So, you know, my my thinking with with Rogan is that it is that Spotify saw this. They saw this much earlier than everybody else did, because they had the first party stats, combined as an instance. And when they owned once they you can sort of go back and say okay, what they did they did these acquisitions of pod track. In these sites. Third party trackers,

do they bipod track? Yeah.

There's a pod tracker pod.

I think they

know which, which third party prefix tracker did they buy? They bought two of them. They bought two of them. I thought it was pod track. Oh, Nathan says pod size. There you go. In short, concise and charged. Right. Okay. All right. So they bought pods? Thank you, Nathan, they bought pod size and chargeable. And I think that they. So at that point, they had a, they had a they had a view into RS open RSS downloads. And then first party downloads on shows that were on both. So they

No, no, because they were only getting 30% of the potential market. Except for Rogen maybe isn't the

only way, the only way they could think. I think I think the way they knew to move forward when everything crashed, is to combine those two things and say, Okay, we're going to, we're going to keep things on Spotify as sort of like, where we want people to be. But then we also need to expand our so we need to get both sets of numbers as big, we've got to go everywhere to get the numbers as big as we can. But I think that they saw early on that these numbers in the RSS feeds were

there's guarantees and you know, Joseph a buddy you know, we haven't had dinner each other's we had dinner but not each other's house so that doesn't qualify as a friend. According to the Jhansi Dvorak metric I'm pretty sure that he has a guarantee. And there's a potential, the potential. And that guarantee maybe just for the video, I don't even know

any big channels, but anyway,

so I don't want to be danced on anybody's grave here but RSS just keeps winning. Well,

I just think that it shows that I don't think Spotify um hope okay, I'm hoping this is what I hope that that's the example of Spotify over the from 2019 until today will keep people from trying this in the future. Oh

yeah. Oh, I think this this this fiasco, this canard this billion dollar canard who canard? I like that. Yes. I'm gonna write down billion dollar canard, which is a duck, by the way.

Oh, is it? Yeah.

Yeah. It's French for duck. It's malarkey. This malarkey will go down in the business books as as a huge mistake and not to be repeated. And it goes right up there with Terry Semel, coming into Yahoo thinking he could turn that into an entertainment company. You know, it was it was a great thing to do when the money was free. That's what it was great for, and the money is no longer free. And, you know, I think there's there's definitely a place for advertising and

I mean, hey, look, look at look at Jupiter broadcasting what they're doing. I mean, he they are, they are living the Wii for Wii. Yeah. Big Sauron. Yeah, I mean, like they are made, trying to make that work as hard as they can. They're trying to flip the switch and transition. I mean, like, I've got so much respect for those guys trying. They put their money where their mouth is literally shirt. That's your

by the same as it's ever been losing money because the publishers and record companies screw him on the on the right this there's no way for them to make money. It's never been a winning formula, because they do not control the content. And they tried to control the content, overspent over over promised and thought that they could create hits you can't create hits and you can't monetize the network. You can't

No. You know what? I like this. You mentioned something a while back. You mentioned some A while back, you said watch the use of what's coming out of this has been like six weeks ago. He said, Watch what's coming next is predictable. Based on the previous cycle. It'd be branded podcasts. And I just saw a thing this morning about how branded podcasts are making a comeback. Yeah. And and also they like on

we just explained because I think it gets it's just it's glossed over. It's an acronym EBIT, da, which means earnings before interest, which means interest you have to pay on any outstanding loans. Taxes, hmm, G. There's one, depreciation, and amortization, which is every everything, it's everything except your employees and your cost of goods. Yeah,

it's basically, here's my assets and liabilities sheet. But what if all the liabilities were

gone? It's like inflation is only one point, core inflation is only 1.5%. What is core inflation? Well, it takes out the cost of energy and food. Oh, okay.

Which is everything? Which

is, most people need those two things. So it's

like those people that train Have you seen these neighborhoods where you'll have one dude that paints his driveway green? No, in like, it'll be like, they'll paint their driveway green to try to somehow match the grass. No, I have, like some sort of illusion, where maybe this is just a redneck thing here in this. But it's like, are you trying to trick us? What is what exactly are you trying to do here? Are you trying to make us think that you don't have a

exactly. Okay. Exactly. Yeah. So switching gears for a moment. dovie Das. getting on my nerves, Dobie das about making new things by making cool crap every single day. Have you seen the RSS music charts? He just released?

A just released it. I have not seen it. Let me pull it up RSS

blue.com/top. So somehow, and I've asked him, let me see if he answered my question. He has darling. Oh, wait, yes, he has Hold on a second. He has. So RSS blue.com/top. So he queries the index crawls feeds to produce stats. He says I get lots of ugly I have lots of ugly SQL queries, and spaghetti code. And so the deck darlings, which I like as a term, I'm not quite sure where it comes from. So these are most widely played by value for value DJs in the last

Yeah, we don't I mean, we suck compared to this. Please. Much better. Oh, goodness. Thank you. Thank you. Oh,

I love you, brother. You know that but I don't have to. I'm not telling you something new here. This this kicks our

ass. Oh, it Oh, but yeah, not even question. I mean, I absolutely

I would do you mind if I just shut all top podcast index dot top over to this. I

don't mind that at all. Now. Now a wouldn't need to know information here. Nobody does.

And I've checked it. I'm like, man, like he's missing something. It's got to be something that he's not. He even picked up a curry in the keeper playing a track which we bet rarely do. So he's crawling the index. Jimmy V.

Radio V with Jimmy V. No, no.

We're not. We're not it's no wonder if you go to deck darlings. And let's see if you go to let me see. For number 22 For those without a prayer, Jimmy V. Because he has a tracker in the keeper January 31. That impressed me that impressed me.

Okay, I don't understand. He says he's crawling the index

looking for looking for value time splits. I mean, we could probably help them by just giving him an API to hit that with or something like that.

It's a bunch of this information is already in podcast says podcast index dot top is an HTML HTML chart. But it's also it's also got other formats. It's got a JSON format and

he may he may be picking stuff up from there. I don't know. That's that's absolutely possible.

I need information

when you didn't provide me an info when needed. But but it looks pretty again, Dave I Love You know, I know you don't I know you don't have a problem with my with my fawning over this because No, it's just so good. This and it's discovery. That's what I love about it. You know, you go to the the deck darlings and you click on Abby Muir. And boom, there's a whole bunch of shows I can start to follow. This is great. Yes,

I agree. I mind redirect podcast index dot top to this.

It's mind boggling. mind bogglingly good. I'm so happy he's doing this. Stop doing good things. Stop.

You're enough too much of our time.

Which kind of leads me into the V four v license for remote items and such and such.

What's your problem? That's the license stuff is hurts my brain.

I'm gonna make it real simple. I'm gonna give my opinion when you have to say anything if you don't want to. Okay. And I think my my opinion has had some impact. I'm just one GitHub conversations or discussions get really long. I also check out I'm like, I can't help it anymore. And you know, when people are posting like sam se like, oh, wait, we're implementing the license. Like what? Okay. I didn't know is done yet. Yeah, that stuff. Then I'm checking out and I'm like,

This is the problem that immediately the problem I had, that's just not that's not that it is not. It is antithetical to what podcasting it at its core is.

And the argument, which is incorrect, is, well, we don't want this to be out there. And some movie company can come along and take my music and put it in their movie, hey, you have a copyright. Regardless, if no one signed an agreement with you, you can sue the movie company out of existence. So you don't have to worry about that kind of stuff. But when we start thinking, like Spotify, and Apple and Amazon music, when we start thinking that way, we'll never get to the end.

I want to I'm sorry to use this term. I don't want to, but I'm not sure exactly how to else to say it. That gets my feeling across. But when you start shitting on apps, like that's, that's what things that's where we've always been within podcasting. App developers always get the short end of the stick, and they always get treated, they get treated poorly, as if they're just tools in for other people to make money. And I don't, I'm not, I don't think that anybody

we I even saw part of the discussion go into well, can we use the block tag so that an app that is charging too much then can be blocked from using it and like, Whoa, we're in the weeds people were way off base, we're way off base. And, you know, I stopped doing the daily source code because I was playing licensed music and I know that I'm not going to go to jail. But I know that a record label can come along and say take that whole thing down. Which would mean I either have

It is and really all that matters. This is the thing you got to get your head around in podcasting, podcasting is a different animal. Podcasting is like the open web. What all that matters is what the apps are willing to do. And they're just not going to play ball.

And if we truly believe in what we're doing, already, almost every artists who has come to the value verse has said, I've made more money than I ever made on X, Y and Z. Right? Build the value verse. Stop thinking about the other side, stop it is it's just it's not worth it. The chances you're going to get picked. And I know I can see every single I hear the artists, they love it, they think is great. But they're all hoping that this will spring them to the big time. And it

It's unlikely.

So you can do a couple of things. I saw Ainsley Costello do a do a show, which streamed live and was very profitable for her and the organization and the apps and the people who were a part of it head down to the lighting director. It was a beautiful thing. By the way. I think there's a big live stream event happening this weekend again, I think with the herbivores,

herbivores still tucked in on the deck darlings.

Yes, of course. So. So we're building something new. And I hope people view it as something new and not just a springboard because you're just going to be disappointed.

And it's not just a day a free version of the same old thing it really is completely new. Yeah. And you have to think you have to give it the sort of like the sort of philosophical respect of being a new thing. Yeah. I mean that that kind of I don't I don't know if we want to get into this necessarily I mean it kind of fits where we're going here but

you want to talk about fees

the fee

and yeah, no, no, we have to play a song first then we can talk about we need to cleanse our palate.

Okay. All right. Let

me let me let me check the let me check the RSS chart for a second let me see where's this? Checking the deck darlings? Yeah, and well the deck let me see if it's on the deck darlings oh yes it's number 20 on the deck darlings in the payday pics it's top of the list yeah baby I played this one on boosted grand ball and almost freaked out how good distance I know you'll like it Dave want to hear some strings bending listen to rebel hero money not misery all about the money to get

out from all the holes in your market making you greedy you loving MTS? going down and free don't take it away

Well wasn't lion

that's that gives me a lot of like extreme vibes.

Oh yeah from all kinds of 70s bands. It's got all kinds of stuff in there.

Yeah, I dig it man. That's cool. Yeah.

Someone said someone boosted who boosted boosted forest.

Did you say that you did you say you played that on booster grand ball. Oh, I did because I do not see that in the list of where it was played on.

Oh boy. Oh boy. There we go that up. You're right. It should be the February 9 edition. Oh, do you know what I play? Did I play that one? Wait, no trouble is I didn't play trouble. I played this one. Let me

see its own pathfinders. It shows up under booster grand ball.

But rebel hero is not on the deck, darlings. I don't think it's not. There's only trouble is on the deck, darlings. I'm sorry. This song is not on the deck. Yeah, that's trouble. It's a different track which goes Let me see that. Let me see what that sounds like. I don't think I played that. Me very different. Oh, it's the door. Okay. Yeah, so but it will show up now. It's yeah, it's on the paid a picks but they don't there's no list there. Okay. Do

we show up on the pathfinders? We do not we're laying man.

No, we're not in the top. 20 Now we also this is the last No. Interesting. It's

nice to see him blueberry number one number two move. Oh, yeah.

Well, plays a lot and phantom power music our Yeah.

Yeah. Breaking tracks. Yeah.

That's fantastic. I love it. I love it. So now we can talk briefly about fees now that our palette has been cleanse we've heard about

I don't want to I don't want to. I don't I don't wanna talk about fees. Okay. It's gonna make me grumpy. All right,

how about this?

We should talk about fate. So we're gonna have we'll have Oscar on the show in two weeks.

Okay, so we'll have a crappy show, then. Are you are you excited? Oscar?

Because we, if we, if we do this, we're gonna have to play the math, jingle and all this kind of stuff. And we've, um, it's gonna make me grumpy.

I don't want you grumpy. I don't want you grumpy brother.

I'd rather talk about the house. I'll just

give you a little fun one. Okay, Ford Sync. Are you familiar with the Ford SYNC product?

This is Is this the old thing that used to be in their cars where it would? Yes, like let you sync your music and all that.

Well, it allows you to see album art on your screen. Yeah, yeah, it crashes on emojis and chapters. Just just letting everybody know. Oh, really? That's not good. Yeah. is not good. If there's an emoji in a chapter then Ford SYNC reboots or something. It's bad.

Oh, yeah. Eric's right. It's Microsoft's Thank you.

That makes sense. That

these unit is a Unicode. I

put a link to Chad f did a whole but deed clipped a whole bunch of value for value testimonials. He did a I think it's on fountain yes on fountain. And he put a whole bunch in there. It's really good. It's a link if anyone wants some value for value testimonials. There's GGS in there and a light bulb moment that we had apparently, episode so really I episode 79. What is that? Oh, I want to have a listen to longtime again. See what that was? See what we were talking about a second.

Now that I'm thinking about this. This is actually an interesting part of value for value as it's implemented in apps in the podcasting 2.0 apps. I just remembered a light bulb moment. Oh, let's

listen to your lit all

lit I'll get the live tag. The the other eye ways of monetizing like Patreon and stuff involve you having to tell your audience that is there. Because they need because otherwise they would not know. But the podcasting 2.0 apps surface the boost button on the page where the when it sees an ad a podcast that is value enabled.

Day we're on drugs.

What is wrong with me?

Well, this was it wasn't like it was the friction was nature of the boosts.

That was a long time ago. That was probably once that was probably very early after the boost button showed up in apps.

Yeah, that's all right. That think about it seems like a long time ago. It's not that long, brother. That's

true. I sounded so young

and unspoiled. Yes,

yes. Boy, I was a virgin. What do we like? Do we want to talk about I think, I think we can I want to get rolling on the namespace by formalizing the podcast chat tag.

Okay. Oh, and this will be for phase eight. Oh,

seven.

Oh 10 Seven. I thought seven was closed. No, no

seven we did I set the closed date on seven last week to June the first. So we're gonna it's going to be closed June 1. Everybody. That's what that's what our milestone is. But that doesn't mean as usual that doesn't mean that we can't formalize things as they become done. I mean, if as they're fully baked, we will we can we can ship them. I think podcast chat tag. I mean, it's it's already being used in

curieux Cassie Tirrell caster has it is showing it. I don't think anyone else is showing up peer to peer to peer tube. Okay, but curio caster also shows but that is kind of a like it goes to a page with a IRC login. Okay. Yes. So

the chat tag is, is very similar to the social interact tag, except it's for chat. So you have, I can just get through it real quick. So the chat tag is essentially it goes right now. So here's how it here's how it would go in, here's how it would go into the namespace initially, it would be initially limited to only being in a live item parent tag, right. And I'm saying I'm saying this specifically, I want to I want it to be it's important that when I'm saying initially

Well, I'm currently in. In sovereign, we we have it in our feed in the live item we have IRC, and the other options, I see your XMPP matrix and Nasr. That's what that's what it is for now.

Those are the four examples in the proto in the proposal document. Right. So that makes sense. So then you also have a recommended account ID, though that's the account ID of the podcaster on the on the chat platform, right? Yep. Yep. It's not required. The only thing required is protocol, but it is the account ID is recommended.

And that space name.

And then yes, so I love

I love it. You know why I love space name? No, because it sounds so much like Space Force.

Oh, Space Force. Yes. Space Force,

you go. Server

is an optional attribute. So that's the fully qualified, that's the fully qualified domain name of chat server.

Oh, I don't we don't have served Oh, yeah, we do have server? Yes, we do have server. Okay. So

the, you know, as usual, what we're trying to do with these tags, we're trying to genericized them, to make them adaptable to what to be useful now for the protocols we have now and for the future, to Yes, and for future for the 25 years in the future,

future use future use whatever

protocol is the hotness, then you could adapt it. And so the server is the optional FQ dn of a chat server. And the way that is described in the documentation in the in the proposal document is a chat server that serves as the bootstrap server. So for like, for IRC, I mean, you can get two channels in multiple ways, different servers. So it's just

And I will say that there are 1000s of people, every single no agenda show de PUE could be using your app for the what we call the troll room, which is, which we've been pushing this information out for, I don't know how long it was, it's been inherited over a year, maybe two years. I don't have a long time. So I have no app to promote for this. I'm looking for apps to implement this. So I can promote it on no agenda. Just saying. Yeah, pretty big.

Nathan asked question, what, what count? Was it limited to only just a single chat tag to begin with? And just few that were? I mean, I can see the I can see the potential for having more than one in the future. I mean, that makes sense. I mean, you may have multiple ways of chatting. But typically, I'm just looking for the most common use case. And

And is this something you can see in the future going into channel level just for people to hang out? Totally. Okay. Yeah, because there's a lot of that going on. I love it. I think we should formalize it. We've been using it. I'd love to see it implemented. I really would. It seems like a no brainer.

I would say once we get this once we get this in there, and we see that we see that people are comfortable with putting it into the feed from the hosting side out because I can imagine immediately, probably blueberry is probably gonna hit this in their PowerPress product. Yeah, that fits a good fit for them.

If Todd ever comes back to America

Oh no, he's a good globetrotter.

Race man, he's gone. He's back

in the he's back in the he's back in the Force. He went deep cover the Deathstar. But I can see like, for instance them. I think Barry at pod home. I think he's actually doing lit now. Yeah,

with servers even I think with the servers. Yeah,

for him doing this. So once we, once we get a couple of hosts that are begin to put this into their feeds, then we can look come back later in maybe phase eight or nine, when you know, whatever makes sense for the timing and say, Okay, this is working well. Now we expand it to channel level for show chat that sort of always on troll room, or, and or increase from single to multiple.

I love it. I think it's great. I'm so moved. Yes.

It's done. I will I will do that. We'll do that this the next few days, our formulas as well as our first tag and oh, gosh, it's been six months since we have a tag right? Yeah.

Well, that's good. Everyone's catching up. The apps are great. I've just loved the apps meeting. They're all they're really they're kicking butt. Every single one of them are so good. I'm concerned about podcast guru. I know I've told you this. But I just see I think that when their new version came out. I don't know if everyone who was using it knows that they have to reconnect their wallet.

Oh, do the lb Connect. Yeah.

I'm just not seeing enough transactions. Just it seems like I'm the only one. Like this can't be right.

Yeah, the people may not realize that their wallets been disconnected. Yeah, I didn't. I had to Go in there. And look, once you said it. Yeah,

I mean, you you just become I don't even know, I'm sure that if you tried to boost it would give you a fail, but maybe not I don't know. But I just I can just see it. I'm like, no, no, this doesn't make sense. There's just not enough transactions coming in.

That's one thing about cast ematic that, that I like. And one of the reasons I have maintained it as my daily driver is because it's right. When, when you're out, when your wallet gets disconnected, there's a big thing right there on the front that says you need to reconnect your wallet. Yeah. Which is pretty it's kind of in your face.

And so and also, I think, podcast podcast, who correctly stacks payments and doesn't send them until like, every five minutes. That's good. Yes. Which I think is good. But of course, that does lower the amount of transaction. So I'm taking that into account. But I know I'm just I mean, you know, me, I feel stuff, right. I just like, someone doesn't feel right. I'm not sure what it is. But if something doesn't feel right. So Jason,

we want to go before we think people do want to, you want to hear the stats for the did the taxes?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's like, I love tax time, because Dave does it. All I have to do, I just had to set up the bank account overview, I maintain the bank account. So it was just really easy. Like, we wrote three checks. If

we did the bank account, that our bank statement fits on line one,

yeah, one Excel sheet, one page.

It doesn't even scroll, you know? So, an exported all the transactions out for Greg, who is our CPA that does this. So I exported all the transactions out of the podcast index node, this

is a graph, I'm going to write it down. This is a great number.

And it took it took 72 hours to export all the transactions using balance of Satoshis. Three days, export all the transactions. There were 5,420,548 transactions. 5,420,548. Wow,

wow. Yes, half million transactions. Wow. There

were about 4 million last year. So we're, we're a million and a half above what what happened? What it was last year.

Okay. That's that's a good metric. So 4 million

last year. Yes. Yeah. 5,420,548 Total Transactions on the podcast index note only for 2020 2023.

I was gonna say its calendar year,

calendar year way at one one to 1231. Wow, the total sets for 2023 69,193,139. Wow. That's, that's Trent. That's podcasting. 2.0 transactions. So that's just that's where we were given the 1% split. You know,

also Stoddard comes into the show, obviously.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, true. Yes. Donations to the show.

Yeah. What was that in? 2022? Do you have that number? No,

I don't have in front of me. I didn't I didn't bring it. Interestingly, another the other stat that came the the stepped out to me was forwards. So routing, routing, oh, routing for you. SATs. So we had 1,023,793 SATs in routing. I don't know what that translates into. But it's about I think it's about 200 bucks. Interesting.

We have our fees incredibly low on purpose. Right. Right. So I hope that hope that helps everybody. Wow, that's good. That's good. Unbelievable. Yeah,

so we I mean, that's that. That did I mean, those are great numbers. 1-810-210-2379

No, that was the number 1023793

on on routing, status routing feature sets. Yeah. Okay. So that

graduated. Congratulations, everybody. Good work. You keeping us alive?

69 Yeah, the 69,000,193 139 of course, that's you know, that's gone up in value with with Bitcoin going nuts. Yeah. You know, it was not that at the time it was much lower. Yeah, so anyway, that's, that's, that's for this year. Nice.

Nice. Well, let us thank some people who were adding to that number for 2024 and we kick it off with say am Southie 10,000 SATs boosting us of course from the true fans. He says hello from Australia listening live. Ben James and I will be in Brisbane next week. 22nd of February for meetup and beers. Cool.

How was he listening live in Australia? Isn't it like three o'clock in the morning that he doesn't sleep? That's right.

Actually, I think well, what time is it in? Time? Is it in Australia? In Brisbane in Brisbane? Let's see. Normally I can do this but it hurts my Wait, am I he's up. He's up to get up before his wife gets up to do anything he wants to do. So I caught that before she wakes up. Cotton Gin was boosting during the rebel hero song 3333 says nice key change.

That's sandboxing. Down. Yes. Yes, that makes sense.

He says, Did you like our validator? I've honestly I've not played with it yet. Have you checked out the validator?

Yes, I checked. I think it is very well done. And I think that's a I think that's a fine like we we have really that's kind of an important thing. I mean, that's the role that that's the role that Steven the played has played for a long time as tres. Being you know, taking the arrows, you know, getting out there doing crazy stuff. And I'm glad and the fact that Sam is doing that is wonderful. Thank you, sir. Indeed,

Sam Southie Thank you have a great time man. Have a great time on You're supposed to be on vacation. What are you doing stop work are you doing man stop

and go to board meetings on vacation. Stop

it. Stop it. You're up Dave. Who can we thank for supporting the value for value project that we are.

Oh, we got some. Get some paper towels. This week. We got Oscar marry $200

Fountain hold on us now. That's Hold on. That's

Sakala 20 is Blaze on him Paul.

Definitely a baller.

I just want to I wanted to make I made a note of this to mention it I don't think I don't make maybe people don't realize this or stopped to think about what this was actually happening here. So think about you got Marco. You got Oscar. You got Mitch and Kreon at pod verse. Collectively. Marco is donating $7,500 a month. Oscar in nicot Fountain are donating $200 a month. Pot verse Mitch and Kreon are donating $50 a month. That's $750 a month. For the they're donating for their

And I love it and I love them. Yeah,

me too. Thank you for that. Thank you for that Oscar. And yep. And we had pod verse 50 bucks. Thank you, Matthew match. Thank you, Mitch. We have to wait two donations from Travis halls. Neither one of them had a note but $24.76 And then another one for $21 from Travis. Oh,

thank you, Travis. How can I Travis Dred Scott just came in with 4567 RSS blue also has a nice validator he says yes tools dot RSS blue.com/validator Wow. All right.

And we got some booster grams. We got a Joel W with a satchel Richards through fountain. He says I still have YouTube channels and my RSS reader pulling videos. Well, they said they canceled Oh yeah, I

thought they canceled it out.

Maybe it's a head fake. Todd from Northern Virginia 22 to 22 Bigger of ducks the pod versus go podcasting.

All right, thank you very much go podcasting. Indeed. By the way, I love Dred Scott boosted from curio caster, because Curie caster and Casta Matic I can hit reply. Tonight. How's that working?

Is it working? work so well, it's

so fun. Because I just Yeah, cuz I can I can add the number the amount of sites I want, and most people are connected through get Alby and I'll be will send them an email that I've sent that I've sent to boost. Oh, that's cool. So the so the alert mechanism is in the it's this. I mean, it's it's real. It's awesome. It really is just awesome to have that capability. Sam, how come you haven't implemented that yet? Come on Samsung.

Air peepees just really rocked it. Oh, yeah. You know, and made Steven crater I gave a RPP maintainer rides on the on the helipad repo because he's so

in involved in that what he's doing he's doing the whole he's doing

it I mean, that's yeah, he's doing the whole thing. And that's his code now and then Stephen crater I gave him maintainer rights today on the website repo so he's, he can easily merge things

right. Perfect. Perfect. And that takes a lot of hassle off of your back. Yeah,

I don't want them waiting for me. I feel bad. You know, because of course, it takes a day for me to see it and everything. So yeah, I want them to be able to move when they when it's good for their time schedule. And then we got Sir Brian of London day 11,948 sets. Thank you brother. Cast thematic. He says, I saw cats in the O musical. I saw cats in the original stage production as a child in the West End in London, and also the king Anya with your Brynner on the stage. Oh,

that's right. I'm gonna I'm gonna reply to him right now with 1000 SATs. What should I say?

To whom?

I can cast thematic Yes. From Adam and Dave.

Tell you should tell him that. Cat Mamma Mia. Mamma Mia is worse than cats.

Mommy is worse than cats. Okay, and sending the boost. I love that. All right. And my

my brief musical report is that I will say we've watched two musicals this week. Ah, yes, Mamma Mia is a steaming pile of garbage. Whoever decided to take a bunch of Abba songs and put some crappy basically it's an Abba concert with with a without, without Abba. And with a paper sin plot just enough to tie together the Abba songs. It is a piece of garbage. It's

interesting because the women in my life love the movie. They love the movies. I know I agree. It's not my kind of thought

it was as bad as it could get. And then Pierce Brosnan tried to start trying to save sounds like Oh, it sounds like an out of tune cat like cello or something is awful. And then, but Melissa, Melissa calls Abba military pop because it's

interesting to hear. Can you hear the drums Fernando?

But Oliver is a great musical.

Oh, yeah. Oliver's fantastic. Yes.

It's the songs are a little long, but it's got great choreography.

As Sam said. He says we've had booths replies for over a year. Yeah, well, they're not showing up in your TLV record, Sam. Oh, yeah, you need to put it into TLV record. Thanks for the extra 10,000

Okay, so we got Bill prog. 2000 He's a hugger. 2000 SATs through fountain he says when you mentioned Apple I thought they stopped hating polar bears and wanting polar caps to melt away goes decentralized podcast.

Yes, go for it indeed.

They're getting there. Nick 2222 Road ducks do fountaining says it's fine work you people do fine work. Very

fine. Work on both sides.

Thank you Nick. Other way ups at 5000 SATs the founding says anti burnout boost.

Ah yes. For the Mitchell. And everyone else.

Did everyone else don't burn out guys. Kevin Bay 75,002.

So Oh 75,000 Yes, I think that's a that's a baller boost man. Nice. Yeah. Thank you. The pod

versus sending this while listening from Casta pod country. The amount is my apartments zip code in Paris. How would you say the How would you say the word vo i see i

vo i see it wasI

what's the LA boost?

Rossi Lobos so he's what he's but he's in France he's not in Italy he's not in cast. He's not in cast thematic country. No cast pod cast a pod country Oh, okay. Yes,

pod

war. See likly did Nico la see I'm singing now for the frogs.

Okay, okay. What does that what does that mean voice boost

means I think it's here's the boost okay, we'll see we'll see is it see or hear voices get

Benjamin Bellamy next week he can tell us Oh really? Oh

that'll be fun.

Oh yeah. We

have not and he's these been releasing new versions and doing all kinds of stuff non stop on the move wasI I thought it was here it is. Let me just see. To preposition this is yeah, this is the boost yeah, here is this is the boost. Yeah, exactly. What's the what's the low boost.

Allen see Paul 2222 through pod verse he says the internet was a mistake is the winning quote for 2024. Great, great episode throughout especially in working through licensed music ownership and burnout. I'm in V for V for the long haul over here as musician but I'm taking in as much as I can handle at the breakneck pace that this is all developing. Can't imagine being on the developer side.

Yes. And Alan see Paul is I think he's also in in the music chart. He's he must is young in the deck darlings.

Who is he?

Yes, he is serenity number seven. Nice Yeah.

Top 10 deck darling. Yeah, that's right. Karen a mere mortals. 2222 through fountain he says Dave Joe for President can't lose with a solid country named like that. A real uric real American Red Dave

Joe, Dave, Joe. Davey, Joe everybody.

Linkin Park rules 10,000 sets. To fountain he says thank you PSA to all podcasting 2.0 enabled player apps. If you have chapter art as a feature, can you ensure that GIFs are able to work? It really adds to the experience and allows podcasters to do cool things. Check out the latest episode of action news on the ungovernable misfits podcast feed and fountain as an example I saw

it it's not only is it cool, it is also guaranteed to crash Ford Sync.

Guarantee guaranteed Yes, your car will stop.

will actually work your ignition.

Yes. Jeremy Ross sent a sent a bit of this music booster in the music part. Jay says nice

tune 500 says Hi Jeremy to the artist, man. Yep, Morris podcast,

Karen coming in again with 1024 kilo boost. He says you sent me requested a while ago, Dave that I get on and get on an alternate view for V for V. Well, I had Trevor bell on recently and he gave the devil's advocate.

I haven't listened to it yet. It's queued up. I'm

halfway through it Satan's lawyer to value for value. Hope you enjoy. Yes, I'm about halfway through it. I've got I've got thoughts. Yes, I do. All right. But we were in at time today. Comic Strip blogger, the delimiter 28,000 SATs through fountain. He says how do you open source fans Adam and Dave. I know that among your audience. There are many open source fans who prefer to fiddle with low IQ, large language models, LLM on their Linux boxes instead of buying high IQ Gemini

Yeah, it's good. It works.

Have you used it?

I have seen it work. I do not pay for my GPT I just can't bring I just can't bring myself to use it to pay for it.

I can't bring myself to put in my phone number. Well,

yeah, I did a bogus phone number and that worked out okay, but it's just I just can't remember I have run my own LMS at home. You know, it's a little slower, but I'm happy with them.

Maybe Maybe I'll put in one of my kids phone number. Yeah,

there you go. Have Google track your kids Nice. Yeah, I mean, it's not me so it's okay to you sir. TJ the raffle just boosted 10,000 SATs Thank you Adam and Dave for everything doerfler verse.com can get you to the live stream of course your podcasting 2.0 2.0 app if you go to our feed into the door full verse KTL de que TLD means keep the lid down. Okay,

I suppose ask you what that means. I'm not up on that link.

Oh, okay. Tlt it's that's a Korean the keeper a classic. Keep the lid down. Oh, yeah. Keep the lid down. That's

right. Everybody gets monthlies got Joseph maraca $5 Emilio Kendall Molina $4 Basil Phillip $25. Thank you basil. He runs uh, he runs a service of some sort of podcast platform type thing and I'm not sure what it is. Let me know basil I'm because because he I we accidentally what I had to do we start getting hit with bots a lot. So I had to, Oh,

yes. I saw his emails. Hey, man. Hey, man, I've been blocked. You blocked me. Yeah,

that actually got a few emails from different people because I had blocked the blocked all the user agent strings from the sample code. And it it ended up messing up some people so we got that all sorted out, but I don't remember what his service was. If you if you can tell me basal lamina Lauren ball $24.20 Mitch Downey $10 Thank you, Chris. For harder. Barack $10 Terry Keller, $5 Chris cow and $5 Paul Saltzman $22.22. Paul, thank you. You've been around forever.

Oh, thank you all so much. And I just checked the tally coin. Nope, nothing there. But if you want to support the podcast, and 2.0 project and the podcast with your value, that you return for the value you receive from it all, which is the only way we survive. Dave and Adam take nothing at all goes into the index into the machines and into the bank account and on the node for the node. It's for liquidity for the bank accounts to keep it rolling. So we have what do we

about three years? Yeah, yeah. So

so if we fall down, the project will continue while everybody scrambles. And you can go to podcast index.org. At the bottom, there's two red donate buttons, one for your Fiat fund coupons through Pay Pal, which we of course, appreciate, but really going to podcast apps.com Getting a modern podcast app filling up your wallet, and boost blasting that in our face is what we appreciate the most. Because it really it helps the

That would be interesting. We pay we auto pay our bills, most of our hosting through PayPal. So Linode and Cloudflare are both paid through PayPal automatically. So it would be fun if we if we both kicked the bucket. It would be funny to see how long how long

it would keep running. Yeah, just kidding. Yeah, it would? I think it would, because the bank account will say we'll stay valid. just odd. If we need money from PayPal, there's automatically pull in from the bank account?

I think so. Yeah. That's the backup source funding source, I think. And I bet it would just keep going forever. That'd be

cool. To try. Just don't don't do anything. Let's see what happens. Yeah. Terrible. We should we should check our, our deadman switch to make sure it all works. And of course, we're going to release all the information we have on everybody.

As you check the uptime on my freedom controller server because I haven't SSH into that box and at least a year. Oh,

it's, I mean, same with mine.

I don't even know what it's doing anymore. It may have aI already. If you've developed intelligence,

I know you're real busy. If you have a chance to find those last enclosure clips for me.

Thanks for reminding me. Yeah, forgot about that. It's buried in my email. Yeah, I'll do I'll yeah,

I mean, we've got devs who are trying to set up all kinds of stuff indexing it, just like hey, man, we're missing these clips. Okay. Okay. I'll do that unless you're really sorry to pile on work. Sorry. Yeah, hey, boardrooms job. Thank you all very much for showing up. It's good to do this again next week. We have discussed the pardoning next week. Yeah, Benjamin Benjamin. Excellent that that will be fun. We can make all our French jokes. I look forward to it so

They do. I mean, like everything's burning. Yeah. The middle everything's burning.

The farmers are piling crap into government houses. I mean, is it's a foreign country.

It's entertaining.

I Brother Dave, thank you so much, man. I appreciate you for so many reasons. And it's been another good week and it's always good chatting with you. Just so you know. We don't talk. This is this is when Adam and Dave catch up. We got nothing to say to each other is a joke email. Me. Everybody. Thank you so much. We'll be back next week with another board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 right here. Till then take care everybody bye bye.

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