Episode 166: Country Clever

podcasting 2.0 February 2 2024 Episode 166 Country clever. Hello, everybody. Hello transcript AI engine. Can you keep up with making the podcast and 2.0? And is the official board meetings of podcasting? In general, not just the two Oh, all of it. That's right. We are the only boardroom that puts the BS and value for value. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country. And in Alabama, the man who sniffs out feed spam faster than a New York rat

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I'm just leaving it Dave Joe. Hey, Dave. Joe, how you doing? I'm

good. How are you?

I'm Curtis good over here. Yeah, everything everything's rockin and rollin. I'm waiting for the for the Amazon man. I'm very excited. I ordered a remarkable to

I've seen I've seen little video. By the way. I'm going to be doing this a lot because I've been fighting a cold this week. Now

is that time of year again for you? It's your your late boys that you're cordially called.

Yes, yes, it is. That I've seen I've seen little like blurbs about this thing. What it's what is it like a note taking device? Yeah, it's

a buddy of mine. When we went to Dallas. Last week, my my buddy had it. He's like, I was supposed to get one from Guy Kawasaki is his company. He said, Oh, you do my remarkable people podcast and I'll send you one he never sent me once. Okay. Okay, it was part of this but so long ago was probably the remarkable one. So that the remarkable to Yeah, it's like, electronic paper for note taking and I go through so many notepads, those little yellow legal notepads though, I

fly through 10 of those things a month. Yeah. And,

and, you know, I'm always looking for one and then, you know, as as it get as the stack, as it gets thinner, it gets harder to write on and then you know, like, it has a time for a new one. And, yes, and so the whole thing, it's really just because every single show, I have a page. And you know, and I write down ideas, thoughts, I usually write down, you know, maybe just something beforehand, show titles, just the general stuff and thought, well, it would make sense to have the

The joy of a fresh legal pad that's full that hasn't had any Yeah. You know, like, I mean, it's like, it's hard to replicate this house. Listen, I don't remember what this was. I was listening to a podcast one time a long time ago. And they were saying they had a question that was like if you were if you were fabulously wealthy like you know, leave the planet wealthy

leave your wife wealthy Yes. So leave you as

if you were that level of fill in the blank wealthy. And you know, what would one completely frivolous absurd thing you would you would do because money was no object. So and I forgot who this was but they were like and I agreed fully with this with what they with what what He said He said I would he said the feeling of fresh socks that you just bought from the store. He's like I would wear a brand new pair of

legal pad. Well yeah, it would be something like that for me because I had a lot of money at one time and I had helicopters and castles and it doesn't live up to the hype.

It really does a fresh socks every day is no shocks every

no fresh socks every day is you know might be might be something that will be good compared to all the other things you can do is absolutely true. Absolutely true. Hey RSS wins again brother. We want again RSS wins ago call me on the color and color daddy

the most is this is this the okay let me let me let me explain my my explain

Morris what that means for people who don't care. Bob with the podcasting industrial complex, and please goodness, call her daddy was a Spotify exclusive three years $60 million rumored because no one really knows these numbers. Yeah, that's no one really knows Joe Rogan's actual number. They just, you know, just became a number. I personally think it's

Now, I've got two thoughts about this. Thought one is, in this case, I've got this feeling that, that she's a blabber. And that people actually do know how much this money was because she seems like the type of person who doesn't keep these things to herself. That bet you I bet you that the rumored amount of this is actually pretty accurate.

Oh, of the first one possibly notice. There's no Rogen. No. Notice, there's no rumored amount of this. Alice, she's open, I think the deal is over. They'll do the acid sales, you know that maybe maybe there's some minimum. But notice, there's no yeah, they remove renew me for 10 million and and we're gonna be an old podcast app. So I'm in agreement with you there that that that would have been part of the part

I think was a press release. Okay, all right. So um, her not from Spotify as much. That's the way it looked to me. They look like it was from her new publishing company or whatever. The the the other thing is, this is like, this show in particular has always triggered in me, to my doubt of

humanity as humanity. Well,

yes, yes. But in a roundabout in a very specific way. That, that we've we're always told that about how squeamish advertisers are and that they never want to be next to controversial content or that kind of this is the nastiest show. I mean, it is just full of all. I mean, it is just not

raunchy, have you listened, are there ads? Are they pre rolls, they have anything going on?

I have not listened. I lit when she first went exclusive on Spotify. I listened to it to find out what the hype was. And I didn't make it through. I mean, there's, there's you have to rate this show it like F bombs per minute. It is just horrible. And so I didn't I was like, this is totally not my thing. Right. I haven't listened to it in probably, you know, a year whatever. She went exclusive. Let's let's

see if they ever pre roll on a second. See if they've pre roll. What is up daddy gang? No pre roll. No,

that's not a good sign. No,

I think the deal just ended.

I think it did, too. I think you're right. And you know, this is also the other sort of big like deal. News this week was the Smartlist thing moving from Amazon too serious. For 100 in that deal, did renew for $100 million. Over three years.

I believe that and it's three top guys. They got to each do about 10 million a year. It's a lot of how many episodes they do a week.

I don't know. They just they put out a lot of content. Yeah, yeah. And

they're, they're they're big names makes it what's it called again? What's the show called smartlace is now is not also available?

Yes. windowed is like exclusive for the first week and then runs out Dave. Right. Right.

Let me see what they do with nine just seems like once a week, and now wait, this one on the second 115. So they're doing one by one a week. Now,

I mean, I feel like I feel like this type of show. So just because all the big, huge deals dried up doesn't mean that nobody's worth a lot of money. There are certain shows that are really worth a lot of money. And this Rogen being one of them obviously smartlace that I think that 100 million. I don't think serious would have paid it if they knew they couldn't if they didn't have a track record of it paying off

Oh serious paid a lot of money for Stern. I mean, they Yeah, they're deficit finance. I'm really happy for Jason Bateman though. I hung out with him. That means that we talked about this I hung out with a couple times back in the MTV days he was at the bottom of the stack. His his sister,

I always judge these things based on if I know anybody who who has ever who shows awareness of this show, in that I know people in my sphere that in my friend, group,

everyone knows about this show. Everybody knows about it.

Yeah, so that means I'm like, Okay, if there's recognize if you can just walk you know, if you can just casually be talking in a group with with friends. And this somebody mentions a particular show. That means it's big enough to be justifying the money that people share on the show.

Yeah, the three big names so yeah, that makes sense. I don't know if they're gonna make the money back. But you know, they, they do a lot of house ads, advertising for other podcasts. They're really trying to do something that

is breaking news breaking breaking news, Radio, Spotify deal renewal worth up to $250 million podcast will no longer be exclusive to Spotify. Interesting. Nathan just dropped in variety link

right, but who says is 250 million. Spotify

is a new multi year partnership deal for controversial values

just said to be worth said to be worth. And

didn't you pat Rogan's poker show will now be available on other audio platforms. In addition being available on Spotify Reagan's show will soon be available on additional services, including Apple podcasts on Apple, Amazon music, YouTube, blah, blah, blah. Okay, so it's no this is this move.

This move comes under Spotify as revised strategy to relinquish exclusive streaming rights in favor of broader distribution. So that means that they could not make enough money on the ads, if this is true, that they needed more distribution, which is goes back to my original point, RSS wins. Yeah. And I know that buying a spot on Rogen is expensive, a bit because I know someone who tried to buy a spot. He's like, No, I don't have a million dollars. You have to buy, you

Said to be worth up to 250 million. So if if the list, let's just say that the room? You know, of course nobody knows accurate things. Let's just say it is let's just say that they're in the

ballpark. But let's welcome them back to podcasting, man. Yeah,

the old one was 200 million. The new one is 250 million plus non exclusivity. Right. That tells me a lot, right? Yeah, yes. Yeah. He's worth more as a non exclusive than he is as an exclusive. Yeah. And I think that's probably why they're doing all this while their break. Well, they're not doing these. Because there's, you know, there's a lot of stories about Spotify bringing podcasters in to be exclusive. And it wrecked their show. Oh, yeah. You You went

I wonder if he'll be renewing his Lipson feed if he'll if he'll pick that up again.

Huh. Oh, I don't know. That's a good point. Or I would bet is on megaphone.

I would doubt that it's because you would think so. Yeah, you would. Yeah.

Welcome back, Joe. Yeah,

indeed. And I'm just looking like, oh, man, he might have changed his number. I think I've lost contacts.

Oh, no. He's ghosting you. Yeah,

he changes his phone often. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that he's like just what he'll do is get a new phone. Usually when a new iPhone comes out, he'll get a new phone and he puts the other one aside he says because so many idiots get his number he says six very crazy which I have as well except they're all from China. And they're all chicks the same chick and I'm Tiffany Asia.

Always wanted to always go into get a tennis practice with you for some reason I Yeah.

Tennis practice shopping. Are you okay? Haven't heard from you? Anyway, so I think that that really shows that that along with with Apple's entrance into the new into the namespace tag with transcript I think that really shows that RSS without anyone owning without anyone being in charge of it, once again, it just keeps on trucking.

Yeah. And and tell me tell me again how to how RSS isn't working. No podcasting, audio, you know how podcasting isn't isn't, you know, paying the bills, I

think it was I think was Spurlock who posted that. And it's true that YouTube because they had RSS feeds YouTube had RSS feeds with a link to the to the video, which was not as an enclosure or anything. It was just a link. So you could you could actually follow along. You could subscribe to youtube feeds, and they removed them. Yeah, that's all that yeah, surprise, surprise. I know why is because we were talking about putting those into podcast apps. They're

But you have the I thought something I listened to upon putting these weekly this morning. And I thought something that they were talking about those pretty interesting. Was this a cast blocking YouTube ingestion?

Oh, they have? I don't have to do that.

I agree totally with me. No. This is basically what you said back in. You made you made the point so eloquently about saying if you you know if you play with YouTube, you're you know, you're the devil's friend in your ear set your what do you say your Satan's salesperson?

Sounds like me?

In a cast is like, yeah, we're not going to help Satan. We're gonna, we're gonna go our own way. Because I don't know why in your world, you would. Right? It's craziness. You're just giving. If you're if your platform is all based on digital advertising, why would you just hand that off to somebody else to monetize is goofy? Yeah.

Wow. Again, this is this is just it's par for the course we've seen it all happened. I mean, it's interesting that there's a parallel here, as we're three years into podcasting, 2.0 og podcasting started. And, I mean, we purposely replicated something I did, which was the daily source code, which was meant for the developers and really just to give someone everybody who was developing an application, we had no apps or phones back then an application

Yeah, right. Yeah, definitely. It definitely rhymes. And I think he that's the other thing about the RSS world is that everybody is there's a there's always with RSS, because it's open source. There's always a rising tide lifts all boats mentality. Sure, sure. People want customers for their app. Yes, that's the I'm not gonna you know, discount that you got to it's these some of these apps are businesses. Some of them aren't. Some of these apps are hobbies and

want he watched I mean, I don't know if Todd's not on I'm sorry. All props to rob but it's the combo you know, you need the two of them. Otherwise, it's just it's not quite as as as dangerous and exciting.

Yeah, I listened. All I heard was the clip that John's Birla posted, because I'm like, I saw the YouTube link. I'm like, now I'm not listening to that.

Oh, well, I missed the clip. What was the clip? It was

Rob asking them. I forgot the whole detail of it. But it was Rob was talking to their Phil and co host Tom Webster. And he said they meant he was trying to hear I got it

here. Let me see. Okay, did see Apple, you know, embrace the transcription tag. But I and many in the industry are kind of like excited about this. And thinking that this is a, you know, a crack of opportunity for the industry to be telling these big companies, while you're kind of unexcited, you know, namespace tags that they will embrace going forward. I do wonder if this is really kind of an anomaly, because of the ubiquity and the interest. How

long does it take before he says YouTube and video like as another 15 seconds or? Because that's, I watched some of it and like, ah, let's go back to where we are, again, even the title said it. The title I think literally said, you know, we talked about the

what was the title? Like, okay, okay, Rob. So, so, you know, podcasting 2.0 tags. They're not, I don't think he said this. But you know, there's a lot of people, you know, they're not going to be legitimate until a big company adopts them. And then when a big company adopts them, oh, it's just an anomaly. And that's like,

exactly, I mean, it was 10 years. And everyone said, no, no, no, no. And you're right, the hosting companies were apprehensive, or I'd call it an iron. You know, there were stocks like, well, if Apple doesn't add it, well, how about we just add 15 apps to the mix? And and that happened? And I think it's very cool. Now, I'm still I loved your blog post, by the way. I thought that was great. Oh, thanks. Yeah. Oh,

Yeah, I mean, if you if you want, if that's if you want the crazy listening, full featured listening experience, if you want, if you want to see what podcasting over RSS is, is actually capable of of Yeah, like in a real full, extreme way. You want to podcasting 2.0 my, like, you want one of these crazy apps? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, because you're not, that's not what Apple is. So like, the iPhone used to be the crazy phone, ever, and the BlackBerry was the safe business phone.

No, they care about keeping the lights on is what they care about.

Exactly the because you see, reading all these articles about those the Universal Music tick tock thing. Yeah, happened this week. Yeah,

that was that was quite interesting. It

tells you, you see where, you know, Spotify. Spotify is a player in that whole system. And because they were paying Spotify is really just a sticker on top of the music industry. And so the, there's no win win. You're those guys. They don't care about stuff like this. It's just It's purely a money play. It's just pure luck. And the thing about the Apple podcast team is Apple podcasts has never made any money for Apple. It's it's an idealistic part of the company.

The I'd like to tick tock Universal Music standoff because it really is a standoff where I would say from my analysis and from what I know tick tock breaks music you know, tick tock is, is where music new music is introduced is where music goes viral. The term is it's also heated. This is a big term all the kids are using Dave. I like it well in heated heated Oh, yeah, that's like, that's the algo so they they

you can't that's the whole point.

And so they're like, Hey, we're breaking these records for you. We don't want to pay as much in the music industry. Like you're you're screwing the artists man. Like okay.

Sure. Okay. I

thought I did have a clip of that. Let me say that I have a clip.

I'm not sure this clip

I have a clip. unplayed clip, a lot of popular

music could be about to vanish from Tik Tok Universal Music Group holds the rights to artists including Taylor Swift, bad bunny, Drake and many others. It says a licensing deal with tick tock has expired, and it will no longer allow its artists music to be featured on the social media platform. Universal Music says tick tock is proposing to pay a fraction of what other social platforms pay tick tock claims the decision is being fueled by corporate greed. Music will

it's corporate greed. Go figure.

You're so greedy. Please I think it's hilarious though. Just I don't I don't ever I've never been on tick tock only tick tock things so here's what my kids and me through text messages. In the end it opens like in the browser or whatever. But But I do think it's hilarious to all of a sudden see like, some person dancing and there's no music

but I know a lot about this from the Costello family who I've been talking to a lot ever since they came on the scene. And you know, the first question even a lawyer before lawyer will even because you know it's all lawyers right? You don't just go to a label now you got to get a lawyer your lawyer talks to their lawyer it's all lawyer stuff. The first thing he said well how are your socials? What do you have on

I don't know I feel the other way. I feel like I feel like the music labels have the upper hand because I don't feel that I feel like tick tock is nothing without without the music. It's nothing I mean, like their business depends on the music labels. But at least the music labels have a mute they have music I mean like that people are gonna continue to listen to music, but people will just get like tick tock is

see I disagree. That's your scroll hole. I mean, you get into the like that term. I pick it all from the scroll holy. I'm glad you like that. No, I mean so I see Tina and of course I have women on Tik Tok and, and what comes by for her is these videos of people who do voiceovers for the animals. Mainly with dogs. This is one guy was really good at us. You know, there's a lot of there's a lot of that there's a lot that I mean even if He likes a lot of Jesus stuff. Once you get into

You're starting to change the history and to change my mind. Sorry,

I'm saying it well. So let's just move beyond that for a moment. Because we are zigging to their zag. The value from the value versus the value for value music is, is getting pretty official. There's there's some licensing that's been that's, that's in a very far reaching us. What is the word I'm looking for? It's it status is very close to being to being usable, that

I need you to explain this to me, because of the collectively there's been 150,000 words of emails that have flown by me and have not read any of them.

So I've kind of I kind of threw a wrench into it all. Because there was a lot about music, music, music, music music. And I said, Why are you confusing yourself with music? Say you have an RSS feed? Yes. There's an mp3 file in in an item that is in an enclosure? Yes. Okay. How is that different from a podcast? Well, it's music. So it's, it's a podcast,

No, okay, this is an interesting, okay, that's good. That's very, very

understandable. Then the next part is value for value on apps, and value for value as a remote item. Now, the value for value on apps. I had I had, I mean, a lot of a lot of attitude changing that I attempted to do. I said, No one, no one is putting anything weird into the concept of putting a podcast up and say, Hey, can you just send me send me some, and then, you know, the app typically take something. And that is very transparent to the user. So in my mind, that's kind

I mean, that it would be recognized fast. Yeah, it would be recognized

very quickly. There's also a piece that people have to recognize that it's not all the pieces will never add up to 100. There's network fees, you know, some case of routing goes differently, you lose the sad here or there. You know, we all have to just recognize and realize that it's not 100% accountable the way it is with fiat money systems. It's not a big deal. But when you're dealing with five SATs at a time, it's like hey, Where did 20% go? Because I lost a

that's not all that different than, then things go in the business world anyway, because you get a contract. Yeah, you sign a contract with somebody and you're like, Okay, I'm gonna start using your product, and then the invoices come through, and there's a lot, there's 26 line items with all these different little, you know, fees and

that, there's send backs, buy backs, whatever they call them, you know, the, the music, I use, when buying with buying music, this is already kind of going out of vogue. And when buying music, or if your music is available somewhere and someone buys you know, 100 CDs, they may send back 50 Hey, I didn't buy him, you have to buy him back. There's all kinds of

let me let me play it back to you. So I can see if I understand if I'm understanding this correctly. Some so the there would be a license this Yeah, this license would say, Hey, here's what here I'm making my main my, let's say music and making music available value for value. If you're going to use my music in your show, just

say just say my content, don't even say music, I say content,

I'm going to make my content v v, if you're going to use my content in the show as a remote item, then I then the remote percentage needs to be at least

a minimum, a minimum, you may give me more, you might give me more, but I need a minimum, I would set mine at 50%. And so we just played a little bit of the new media show, if that was actually available as an audio episode, which it may be, I will go back and I will put the value time split in there for the amount of time that we played that with and I would I would just give 100% of the split. I think that that license for me feels okay in the value for value model

For first of all, respect to Swiss is great t shirt. Seven ball. This is really good timing because A guy who's participate, there's a guy that popped up in sent an email the other day, and he works, he's working somehow, I wasn't fully clear on this, but he's working somehow with the with bell, Benjamin Bell, and even cast pod develop open source

it's that part? It's, it's, and for me, it's basically like we do it already in the license tag. Is that at the channel level? Or is it also at the item level?

I think that's at the channel, let's look it up, let's do it was popping in the namespace here,

in salt, the book of knowledge pop into the namespace, it would have to be at the while you're looking that up, it would have to be at the item level. And then as part of the remote item tag, I would say we need a minimum, a field for minimum so that the author the owner can say it's either none or let's say it's by D, if it's not filled in, it's none.

So that so that's different. So we can't, we can't really repurpose the suggested attribute. This would need to be something new.

Yeah. Well, you can't add something to it. No, we can.

The suggested is suggested I don't think is different. The suggested tag is for podcast apps, and then the apps, which for some reason is five. Somehow it's five Apple code who came up with who came up with five. Now this would be specifically for the remote item. No, I didn't I don't know. Does that mean, you will probably have to have a new tag, which will be like remote item minimum or whatever.

Does that make sense?

So this is this, this? This is why there's two of us because I got the high level you got to help me figure out where we put it.

Yeah, okay. mumbling Off mic now.

I'm Dick. I'm noting noting over here.

Nobody's noticing. Yes. On your yellow legal pad. Yes, yeah.

Okay, yeah, the the license tag is at Channel or the item level. So we're good. We're good to go with that already. No changes necessary. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. And you can have the way the license tag works as you can just bet you can specify a a lit a lesson. I'm sorry. We

have a point of order from the boardroom. Mike Newman has a point of personal preference. He says we're deep into the namespace talk. Why no heating? Yes. You're right. And now it's time for some hot names. Good point. Good point.

Apologies. Apologies. Thank you, Mike.

Yes. Thank you. Apologies to the board. Yes.

I know what Mike really wants is the The height and math talk No, no, no, that's off limits. He's in the box, he's not mad at him,

he's already had one point of personal preference for this board

meeting, it's too hot. The matching gloves, too is too hot. So the license tag, you can specify by name. And it comes out of that list, which hopefully, soon we will have a narrowed down list that makes more sense. Or you can do a custom license and give a URL with a link to the license text. So this, you know, you could have somebody who takes the V for V. License, what a hammer is developed, can take the that license and say they wanted one change to it. And they can be,

yeah,

I think we're, I think we got tons of flexibility here. Yes.

And now there was a call, which I'm not very big on, because I think that automatically puts you in a whole different realm. They wanted a when I say they, as a collective, they I don't want to put this on one person. But let's just say the group has been talking about a maximum fee taken by apps. And I don't think that's a, I don't think we should go down that road.

I agree. And I'll tell you why. Because the the apps act as a sort of trying to figure out the right term for this, that the apps act as a sort of unbiased layer in the transactions. So you have the the listener who decides how

And their fee is typically on top of what sent anyway. Right?

I think as I do, I do not think that's a good idea at all, because then then you have the apps that are begin beginning to have they're beginning to be pushed in a certain direction by the Creator themselves. I don't think that I agree. I don't think that I think that hurts trust.

There's one other thing that would come with this license that I'm in agreement with, it sucks, but I understand it, it has to be revocable. So you have to be able to say, Okay, if the owner of this content, for whatever reason revokes this license, I would actually have to strip that remote item out of my podcast.

Not a happy day. No, that sucks.

But the if a license can be revoked, and it makes no sense.

Yeah, yeah, you can't have some sense of them. That's, oh, it can't be a one way. Yeah,

it has to be revocable. Now, will this happen? I'd say 99% of the time, no, I can see where there may be certain types of podcasts that could be purchased by a third party, and that third party would then assume the rights to monetize it. And then now there's all kinds of language like you have to give a certain amount of time you have to give me time codes. You have to you know, there's you can't just say strip it out everywhere. You can't do that.

I think I don't think that might not be that big of a deal. Because you could basically just go through and all the all the areas in your feed where the where this particular remote where

the violation takes place.

Yeah, you just know it. You know, you just you just know that, that that out and there's no more.

We're not just that, but you'd have to take it out of the actual derivative work out of the recording.

That's, that's yeah. Yeah, I think you're I don't that's probably doesn't doesn't sound that much different than what already happens though, honestly, I mean, if somebody calls you up and says, Hey, you use this and you get into a legal exactly argument with them, you're gonna have to take it out anyway.

Exactly. So it professionalized is the remote item. And I think, if you just view it as a remote item, and we don't get bogged down into music, but it's a remote item, I think, I think that's a very, a very fair way to go. Because we can use that for everything. And it doesn't mean that everyone's going to be getting splits on everything. And most people stuff isn't interesting enough to include in another podcast,

right. So, I think you're fair use, your fair use comes into play where you have me, technically you don't have to, you would not have to do a split or a remote item for a clip. If it would fall under fair use, you would do it because you're wanting to be a nice person. Exactly. So this is like beyond music. And, and, like, I think that the thing with music and why it's so was so precious there is because

forever. You can podcast lives forever. So it's not like it's in the past. It's it's now every day of the week. Yeah, I mean, it's okay, unfortunately, is very similar to tic tock and Universal Music. Yeah, yes, exactly the same thing. Hey, we don't have an agreement. We have a disagreement. There's people dancing with no music. If we're if we want to make the podcast formerly known as music possible in value for value, I think we have to relent on that. I'm not

the thing I don't know that it says much of a pain will there be niggles? Yes, but I'm not sure that this it's as much of a pain as it may sound like because if you're going into V for V, your options are you make something or you make nothing right? Well,

this is let's just beat let's just call a spade a spade. This is when someone is V for V and then gets picked up and basically sells their stuff. Yes, right. And so it does change of ownership. And there's money involved and I would be very happy for people Oh, that's I'm so happy for you see on the next project, see you when you get dropped

enough I a year from now, I actually

think that very few artists who are having success in V for V i I don't know if many would take the big mainstream contract if it was about music. I really don't think so. I mean, in a way Rogan did this Rogan sold his entire catalogue to Spotify. He negotiated 100 episodes he could keep

public Publix. Okay, I know that because he was very open about that.

And all the rest had to be gone. And so because they bought his entire catalogue, it was really a licensing deal. And so all of his stuff left podcasting, except for 100 episodes, which I think he only kept on YouTube, maybe I don't know what he did with them. But he kept 100. It was a included podcast, he didn't want any out there anymore. He want he wanted them gone, because he didn't like the guest or something like

Yeah, I agree. I agree. And that, you know, if Marina ask, gets, you know, she, I don't know her situation. But if she was, she's now the full owner of all her stuff. And she sells it and gets picked up by a label and wants to pull that off V for V. She's, she's got the right to do that. Yeah, she's got the right to do that now, without a license. I mean, she could she could she could do this right? And and just take it right off exactly. But then send you a message and say, Hey, can

is just a way to solidify that. And I think if we put the minimum, the minimum split value in into the spec somewhere. And and the license tag is already, you know, it can already we can add that it's easy, because the tag already exists is just the new license that comes out. And I think we should, it should be like the V for V license or something. So if someone puts in a derivative of the V four v license with some different parameters, that has to be apparent.

But I still like it. Yeah, yeah. See? Yeah, but I think I think, like a GPL or whatever, exactly.

I think I think this will kind of flesh out. I'm not too worried. I don't also we don't have to get all messed up about it. Because this, this will work out. We I mean, we really, believe me, the not a single person that said, Boy, this really sucks. I get no Satoshis everyone is positive. Everyone's positive because they haven't gotten any they've been so screwed. This is like, just everything has been positive about this. Now, along with that. I'm very proud of Julian

Ooh, this is pretty so nice website. Yeah.

And they're doing education. And you know, they're, I think they've partnered with RSS blue.com for hosting. And I mean, they've really, I think they've really done a very thought a long and they've been thinking about they have all the experience honestly. They know it they understand they understand how all this stuff works. Look. Oh, look, I didn't notice that they have all look at all the apps. They have all the apps there. Receive boost today. Grab an app

Yeah, it's okay. big of a deal. Yeah,

I think they do is $10 a month they set you up, they help you they give you all the education. It's probably more in a group setting. I think they're gonna do like big deal calls and stuff. And then 5% of your SATs. 5% split. As you say fair, yeah. And they help you manage everything. I mean, I'm happy because now I can say to artists go instead of me explaining go here. Go talk to these people. They

have Marina Oscar is one of their or they do one of their

orders. Do you have their art get it out? They have Abby Mendler here Ainsley Costello Amber Sweeney. Jack and Mr. Mr. JESSICA Well, I like these I like these. I want to trust it. I happen to pick the trusted for our song today.

Oh, it gets the you know what wait. Wave Lake has really stepped they stepped up to I mean, they have they have they've got two new podcasts that are that they're doing now mixtape and wave or in there? They interviewed your buddy. Yeah,

Cody what? That was great. I was like, Oh, this is an I didn't know that. FM radio was FM radio. But that was Michael.

That's his band Finn radio. Oh, no, no,

not FM radio, was it? No, no, the pirate radio that's on pirate radio.

Yeah, they they've done a lot. And I want to make sure because people in podcasting took one over, given them heat before and we have to, but they stepped up, they fixed they have really changed their feeds their auto billing. I think right now the auto says, Oh, he had their auto submitting. They're doing value time splits. They've got their feeds have channel level value blocks now. Like they're they've

We needed we needed. We needed them to do that we needed. We needed him to do that. We really did. And I love it. And I'm I'm sure they still have a focus on noster somewhere. But when I listen to their shows, it's getting there. It really is. Yeah.

It's beautiful. I think they deserve they deserve some credit. They deserve the kudos. Yeah, for sure. For sure.

So that's happening. Yeah.

This I want to talk a little bit about what Mitch posted? Yes. With, you know, just burnout. Because he did

he actually use the burnout term? Because I mean, I read it as burnout. I'm like, I you and I texted I don't even know what to say. I mean, I feel horrible about this. I mean, what can I do? You know, I can send him money. But that's not gonna that's not a salary. You know, what do we do? What how? I mean, this is hard. This is hard stuff.

I think. So. Let me just see if I can pull this post up real quick, make sure we accurately represent what he said, because I think he did say that he was burned out. See, so I've been off the grid. So long folks have been busy with combination and making money. So I don't have to get back to the day job to be frank pa versus pretty overwhelming to keep up with keeps more and it gets more overwhelming with each day, I'll let things fall behind. I've been working on pod verse for 10

sorry. I didn't mean to do that to you.

It sounds like I thought that was you. It was

me. It was me. W no idea why that why that worked that way. Okay. Yeah.

But I've been involved in PUC in open source projects for more than a decade. And this one's going on three years. And I've had times when Absolutely. The I'm just gonna use the term burnout. I don't think it's fair. I think it's just a general term. I don't think it's unfair to Mitch Yeah. To say burnout because we all we all we all get there. And, you know, Martin Martin from pot France, he felt he didn't get

Burn, everyone's burning up. All right, in

there's a few different there's a in it all comes down to relationships. So you could put you could you could look at it like this if you want to like say like some I don't know, rules are sort of like essence concepts. It's fine. Not to respond to people. That's sort of like, the first thing in this in it when it comes to managing open source is, you know, you had to pick one like, basically pick one public communication channel. These are just the things that

Pretty successful with that strategy? Right?

Yeah. And I mean, he would be honest with you and say, yeah, it, you He, He will not answer your emails 99% of the time. But it's for is because if you get sucked into that, and you let yourself become burdened by the responsibility of responding to everybody, yeah, you will burn yourself out your your your fuse will go out fast.

By the way, this goes even for podcasters. Sure, I mean, it's the same thing. I can't respond to everybody. I certainly can't, I wind up, wind up doing my email, I wind up praying for a lot of people, no response, but I prayed for you. It's really nothing else you can do sometimes.

I silenced almost all of my GitHub repo notifications, I don't get notifications from the namespace anymore. People post things there and I don't even know. And, and I go in when when I choose to engage with namespace, I go and I check out what's there. Notification fatigue will kill you. Yeah. It will literally stress you out. If somebody posts something on a repository and it takes you like a month before you even see it. Guess what? As far as what it

work. I remember Yes. Oh, yes, I remember these very well.

It's like, No, I've got three modes. I've got um, heads down working mode, I've got I'm communicating mode, and I forget all the details. Yeah. But like he published his like, cadence of how he, how you could expect to work with him. I don't think you have to do that. I don't think you have to publish that. I think people just learn that people learn that, oh, after they communicate with you a few times, they learned that sometimes you're just not going to respond for perhaps a month.

I can't it's almost like being a podcaster people will say the most horrible things.

You don't know what you're doing the D You should have said why didn't you do that? How can I

camp Oh, my head. I can't believe you missed that. And I see it with with apps like this sucks this apps no good. Get you know, what is my favorite? Like, this is a basic functionality.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Why didn't knew dot dot dot? You know that anything that starts with I can't believe.dot.or What Why did you Why didn't you do it this way dot dot dot? Yeah, very typical. People are gonna leave you one star reviews. Yep. It's gonna happen, you know, people are gonna, they're going to, you know, smear essentially smear your product. They're gonna criticize almost every decision that you make, at some point. They're gonna send you hate mail. We've gotten tons of hate

oh, I see. Well, we have a transcript. Right.

And, you know, my, my response to that was, stop telling me what I'm supposed to do with my time.

Yeah, reclaiming Reclaiming my time.

I'm not playing I'm not playing this game. This is not a year, this is no longer a feature request. This is now a demand. And I reject your demands go away. Yeah. And so this, this is this is how you deal with that sort of stuff. And the, I guess the hardest part is the last part is is if the servers go down, it's still fine. It's okay. stuff does go down. It's gonna happen. And it's really It's okay. When somebody tells you, the servers are down, and you feel that that

Oh, God. I can only imagine the calls that came in that that support team. Yeah,

people were freaking out and losing their mind. But you know what, it's fine. There's today they didn't lose a bet you they did not lose a single customer. In his in his okay. And this is an open source project. Remember, the more users you have the more demands at our own placed on your system. So if you lose some customers, it's actually better for you. You're in a better position than the worst. It's a plus. Yeah, it's a plus a bonus. Win. Okay, I got one. Okay.

What can I say? Can I say one thing? Hold on. There's also with open source projects. We just had this ourselves recently. For three years, we have been told you got to have a marketing website. You got to do this. You got to do that. And we're like, No, hey, Phoebe. Yeah. So you can write the marketing website BB. And finally, it dawned on Daniel J and I think he's teamed up with with James Cridland well Oh, we'll do the marketing site but she thank you yeah, it's like so

That fits perfectly with what I was about to say I thought I was done but I actually have one more point and this is this is this exact point. When people to ask you when people ask you to do something. You asked them to do

So on the heels of this, I immediately have to ask everybody to straighten out their to V records right away. I need you to put the right information in please.

Oh, is this a is this a? Is this a huge problem we're dealing with?

Yeah, it is kind of a big problem. Okay, customer Matic sometimes doesn't send the name of the podcast or the name of the song or it only sends the name of the song. It's a remote item stuff. It's remote item stuff. I would I would respectfully request if if you happen to be rooting around UTL V records code. Could you send along podcast name, Episode name, if there's a remote item remote item name. That would be really, really awesome. You can you can even do just do the

Now not every pap is jumping in with TVs are a mess. Everybody that starts getting into the to Wii game, and they're always like, Oh, this is a shutter down your spine. But it works. It somehow works. Well. He has

a link which I'll put in the show notes, which I guess is that? Oh, yeah. Okay. So yeah, this is a this is a good Blip 10 to V record breakdown that Spurlock did this is very this is very good people. This is very good. I'll put that in there. So we can all take a look at it. apps to the breakdown. That's good. I mean, it I mean, just when you have a moment, just have a moment to take look at it. Really appreciate that. Because from

Yeah, I just don't want people to burn out. And, and Mitch has been doing this for a long time to you know, 10 years on pod verse. That's a long time and I don't you know, I don't blame him. He, you know, he's, he's got other things to think about in his life, but and he's, it's not like pod versus shutting down there. They're just gonna slow down, they don't have the bandwidth anymore to add features and stuff. Which is, you know, which is fine, and I want to get him back on the

it Yes, it will suck your soul. It

will. But you there are ways where you basically don't have to let it do that.

And if I may compliment you on how wonderfully you have managed this orchestra of nutjobs because that's what we have. We have no we have an orchestra and there's people with a you know with a ukulele and the guy playing spoons and someone else has a washboard and there's a guy who has a huge drum kit and and you this is why you're the pod sage you have a very beautiful demeanor about managing that you respond in just always the right way. If it

Thanks. It's, it's if you let it, if you let it own you, it will, it will, you will get out, you will burn out fast. And if you if you keep it as if you, if you keep it as fun, keep it as a as a thing that's that's that you do that brings you enjoyment, and not as trying to make it exactly. If you see it as your job and you think everything depends on that project. You're not going to last it's gonna go so fast.

said, you know, every I've had many companies and always said we would have a great company if we just didn't have any customers.

So true. Everybody. I cannot tell you how many times I've heard somebody say, yeah, man, you know, I bet you bet you'd be great if you had so and so as a customer using the API. And I'm like, no,

no, no. But that's the same with podcasting. The minute you get a whole bunch of people listening, everyone has an opinion. Nobody knows how easy you make it look. Now, it's like, Hey, you just you just talking to a microphone for three hours twice a week? What is it, just give me a break. Now, it's really the same with any anything with other people. It's pure people, understanding of people and how people are it's just that's what it is.

You know, podcasts are that's it's funny. Podcasts are open source. You know, Alex said something the other day that seemed like fun that he was saying. I think it was a little bit of a just a passing comment that he threw in. But it made me think about the similarities between open source and and podcasting. Because podcasts are sort of like the best ones anyway. The ones like you do, or they're they are open source projects in and of themselves. That yeah, he's, it's, I think

Yes, yes. You know, when you're involved in it's a two way street. It's my listeners are called producers for this very reason. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You're involved you have you have a stake, you're a stakeholder in the product. This is not like radio,

this this matches up because yeah, Foundation says I firmly believe the attention based economy began begin with one way media where participants lost the ability to openly and freely conduct discourse with relevant communities. It's like the one way media thing because when your open source project becomes one way, when it's all about what you can give, right? It doesn't work anymore. It's not a value for it's not value for value. It's not a value exchange. Now it's just I need

I just jotted something down about value for value. I just want people know that a big part of how it works for me. We're in podcasting, then. But it could also work for apps I don't know is we do a newsletter before every single podcast except for this one funny enough. And that newsletter is an ask. It's an asked to remember to listen, remember to support us. And it's responsible for 40% of the value we receive. Just want people to realize that doesn't it's yes,

It probably sucks just as much. Yes. Yes,

exactly. But you know, so how about where are the AI discovery tools we now have transcripts for every podcast Why can't I say hey AI go find me apart? Why is it only for the creation side I know this makes no sense to me input a few parameters get me Get me something that'll be interest me based upon the transcripts

Yeah, yeah kind of stuff. Wow the point Yeah, should we play song

I would love to hear so yeah. Okay, so

this is this is the trusted that we were just talking about which apparently is part of phantom power music.io is called Millennium it's a snappy tune from some good luck in young men tech good guys

give coming around a one no one's cry just cry with Jesus one day right guys all right never want to see you tonight All right. So we're not enough

To the trusted Millennium podcasting 2.0 They are from sam se hometown in the UK. Oh really? Yes. So they must be rich. Just just just in case they aren't pleased. Rewind if you didn't and boosts them boost those boys boost them make them more rich. Yeah. I'm pretty sure they're not rich.

That's a good tune in that cool though. Yeah,

that's kind of like, old. What is it reminding of? In excess the

little bit? I don't know. This is cool. I like it. It's

got the you can hear the egg shaker. Exactly.

I looked at the nostril wallet Connect. Yeah.

I don't get it.

They put, it seems like there's just a third. Is it? Is it just me or is it just another API to to like a service in the middle? Am I missing something?

Yeah, I mean, no, I don't think I don't think you're missing anything. It's like me it just connects so that you can connect to your own node to

Okay, yeah,

it's it's not No, it's not even worth it.

It's not worth it long leave Keisha and we love our key. Send a few sand rocks. Yes.

So lightning on the lightning front with l&d. 18 My understanding is this is when they start which they're working on now. This is when they start building in bolt. 12 Oh, really now? Yeah, bolt. Well, they're gonna do it in stages, I believe is my understanding. Based on on the we

always we always thought we'd live to see the day that bolt 2012 came to light.

Yeah, I think taproot through them much more curveball. I'm talking about lightning labs and l&d. I think taproot through them a lot of curveballs. So when they went to tapri channels, what I understand and also what threw them curveballs is the fees from the mempool got so high that these that the Yeah, dozen or so bugs that were causing force close force closing of channels are

making everybody more everyone was becoming poor.

They had to stop and say, Okay, let's let's go back and actually fix this. So like a lot of the stuff that's been going on the last really three months on the lightning on the l&d developer mailing list has been all about. That has been all about trying to solve these force close issues, and a lot of it has got to do with just things getting channel. Things internal to Elling to l&d Getting out of sync. Yeah. And then l&d gets into a state where it it's basically it's afraid of

open invoice it just here's one invoice reuse as often as you want for whatever you want. Yeah, which seems so logical. Yeah. Like, why would you restrict the amount of money you can receive? please do send me money.

Yeah, the, the invoice thing is, is the invoice thing always it never made a whole lot of sense. Because it just means I can't make I can't send you money into you. Like I can go to the bank and deposit money in your account. Yeah, yeah. They'll let me do that all day. I don't have to have your permission.

You can send a Venmo to somebody just having their address. Boom, it's done. Yeah,

and nothing else works where I have to allow you to give me money for now.

Yeah, that's one of the big confusing parts for people. Quite honestly, when they're like, wait, I have to fill up my wallet. I have to create an invoice and then I have to copy that invoice and then pay this weird.

So there's this funny this is funny story about my uncle. He's passed away now. He's just he was Is this clever guy? And he's like country clever, you know, like, he lives up, lived up North Alabama and middle of nowhere. So he a sold this guy, something I forgot what it was is like a car or something. They got paid him, paid him for it. Maybe it's gone or something sold in, he paid him for a game, he wrote a

funny. Yeah. That's I wonder if you clever. Yeah. I wonder if because the country clever US and other guests. Another good show titled Dave Jones. I like that one. Country clever. That's a good one. Brother, should we thank some people.

Oh, let's do it. Yeah,

let me let me see we we got a couple of live booths. Not much. Let me see. We got Oh, let's see. 1234 From November for Victor X ray. Who says thank you for your coding. Oh, that's a new one. Thank you feel you're welcome. Short Row of ducks. Martin Linda's code. He's back. Haven't heard from him from a while. two to two. I have a podcast called pen meets paper in Swedish and English but I want to check remarkable gadget. Yes. Oh, listen to this podcast now that I've already bought

saw high gravity. That's right.

There's Martin Linden. koge Linda's cog again 1111 row of sticks. I wanted to top of my wallet but found out that Alby is doing maintenance regarding the credit card option. I'm sorry to hear that. Salty Crayon 2222. How do you board room sorry for the email Adam didn't realize it was time for hot namespace day go podcasting. He was emailing me when I'm trying to help them out. I had I did my podcast with Jimmy V.

About the loss of compressions all this Yes. You

know, it turned out really good. It was it was you know, we didn't really resolve much. But it was it was a fun conversation. We both had our product this guy is a real force to be reckoned with. And he really is very excited about value for value and he wants to onboard a whole bunch of his by his onboarding a whole bunch of his buddies and it was actually turned out to be a really nice conversation. We got a lot of fun

did it go like this? You're wrecking my music and you're like no I'm not Yeah, that would be

the short version. Okay. I think he was surprised that I showed up and he was like I can't believe so what do you mean that we had an agreement this is a time here I am via so anyway he's a good guy he's he's gonna be very important in in the in the value verse and I have been trying to trying to work on make it the problem is his songs sound different than someone else's songs you know his volume mastering a different

So his last name is v. So yes, V.

What more do you need 45,678 from Dred Scott pre show boost boost he says boost Thank you. Thank you and let me see. Yeah, so this is see this is an example this is fountain Oh, no, I'm sorry. It looks like I was put into a Jimmy V put me in his value block. I'll put us in the value block. There you go. Oh, that was from the interview. Oh, cool. I'll read this then. 1000 SATs from salty crayon to outside in with Jimmy V episode to appreciate the feedback. Adam and Jimmy are

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yeah massive massive Hair Metal.

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Go buy gasoline. Just got 33,333 from Darren Oh, he says can never use too much compression to get the voice scope podcasting. Darren knows it's there. Yes, it.

That would be a comment from him. Yes. Thank you, blueberry. Appreciate that. Thank you so much. Let's see we got Oh, we got $55 from Jorge Hernandez. Oh, it's thanks for creating the opportunity to enhance our show. I sent a private note via email. Not sure if they're being filtered out. Nope. We got it. I got your note.

Yes. Thank you very much. Very nice note, Jorge and Savannah. I think that is from both of them.

Yeah, they're the plug to pleb I think is the Oh,

okay. But we appreciate. We appreciate that.

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read that one on the last show. I think on the read on election really? Yeah, I think so. Think that came in like oh, did

that come in after? Yeah. Yeah. Let me see if I can get to the right. Point. Do we read the I think we read the big boost for the big Liberty boost from blueberry. Yeah, we had. We did this was last weekend night boardroom. It was a weekend we did

Saturday. Yeah. Yeah, we did Saturday. So yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah. I should have reminded you. It wasn't a boardroom app was boardroom not after dark was boardroom. On the weekend. In

winboard. boardroom in jeans. Yep. casual clothing. Yes, that's right. casual, casual

Saturdays. Right?

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Okay, here we go. January 28. This is this this? This is what is an aggregator app. And where the this is from source D over pods is Archie 1701 SATs. He said what's that? What is it he's talking about? He's talking about Rob's from Lipsense comments. What is an aggregator app? And where? And where are the stats taken after Apple cut the automatic downloads? The questions don't know the answer to either one of

sharp is cross a chrome derivative or does it show up as brave?

I think it shows up as brave because they Yeah, yeah, it's not it's not detecting the engine. Nothing is detecting the actual browser. Yeah,

I like brave Brave is my browser man. I like it.

And he says, What about Chrome OS? Yeah, I mean, it's saying Same deal I just don't if you go look at the actual numbers it's not it's not just those pre installs it's it's legit download market share memorias podcast Kyron 1234 through fountain he says appreciate your focus on the individual Adam 1% of the total now plus 40% downloads doesn't matter on one single bid to me. appreciate all your hard work. Alex in a tube is where I have been directing people who want

I mean that's I'll just keep hammering that until the cows come home that it's not about it's not about the aggregate didn't no longer necessary to be number one or top of the list or have the most downloads you just need people to support you that's that's really that's the new world that we live in. That's exactly what the value verse musicians are finding out. I don't need to be number one I don't need to be featured by Spotify. I just need my my people to show up and support me That's it.

Sir Brian of London 21 948 through cast ematic he says I had to open pod verse search for pod paying than wind back to 34 minutes to boost this mentioned in cast thematic go apple waiting to hear apples. See waiting to hear apples Apple pay via PayPal come in. Sure. Thanks, Brian. Appreciate you. Oh, another follow up 1948 Boost sir Brown of London. He says Sir Alec saved my butt with professional level Python for hive pod thing writer. Alex Alex save is saving people's butts is

Oh, you know what? I probably good old Alex. He's probably still in the split for the live show. Let me say he must be he must be loving that.

He's watching that watching this as hey,

I'm doing great here today. This is

Rene Nagy I know it's hot butcher this guy.

I love how you say that everyone loves how you say that? Pod verse

says compression boost. Nice. Thank you, Renee. Bear, snare Sinha, satchel Richards. The podcast guru says you guys are doing the Lord's work. Thank you

for trying. Yes,

that's a call a person. Dude, person sent a 4096 That's a 4k kill a boost through breeze killer boost. Dave in activity pub, the identity is controlled by the server owner in nostre. The identity is controlled by the client. Okay, he says noster doesn't rely on any one relay to maintain its decentralization, I can migrate to any relay with my identity intact.

Okay, did you see any of the the session the session? The Congress says shops with with the social media companies and did not Oh my god. It was I actually felt bad for people like Zuckerberg, you know, they had the whole room stacked with people whose children had committed suicide, or bought a meal online that had fentanyl and died from it that had been sexually abused. And literally like you have blood on

It's just not healthy. I

totally agree. And the world will be a better place for it.

I think so I think so too. And I you know, it's like, you know, and it may be even, I think even Apple will start, you know, Spotify, they'll start to have second thoughts. It's like, Oh, I'm getting blamed for this. I'm getting blamed for that. Hey,

I've said it before the internet was a mistake.

It was Yeah, it wasn't. Yeah, probably. It

was. We've been watching we've been as a family at night. We've been watching musicals.

Oh, we've been watching Little House on the Prairie man. Okay. Have you been watching it? I'm an honorary member of the Little House on the Prairie community. Now somehow I got into that.

In one day. I'll go ahead. One day I'll tell you about. There's an epic, there's a single episode of Little House on the Prairie. That taught me what being a man really is more than any other thing. Anybody in my life was anything else. It was the bay. It was like, the greatest example of what true manhood looks like being a grown up, man. Wow.

Well, I just want to say that the lt h o p community is on the edge of its seat.

Oh, LH T. O. P. I got it wrong. LHC. Okay.

Well, yeah, we'll talk we'll talk. All right. I'm

gonna remember because I want to know, I want to know what that good. That was great. It was all propaganda, by the way the entire show was, I think was Norman Lear propaganda. But that's okay. If it did that for you, I'm happy.

No, I mean, noster. Yeah. And understand about the about the identity, about the identity thing, that the the problem the, there's some there's problems with that identity, though. And there's problem the so if you're, if there's no secondary keys, so you can't revoke a key, you just have to create a whole new identity. Hmm.

Wow, I didn't even thought about that. Because, you know, I do a lot of encrypted email and I can revoke a key and have a new one set up.

Right. So there's no key hierarchy. The the issue yes, you're you're moving, you're moving you're at you can move your identity from one relight to another. But in practice, there's only there's your your relays are limited to what you're connected to through your app. And that's primarily let me just say when when Domus goes away, which is looking like it will because of all the funding stuff that he's talking about the whole all of nostre collapses. That's just that's

I do have an important question that just came in from blueberry 55 555 What kind of musical is Dave?

Oh, oh, I forgot us. Yeah, we're watching musicals. And I can confidently say this, with like, with full authority that I've granted to myself. The greatest musical of all time. Is Hello, Dolly. With Barbra Streisand. Wow. There is no second place.

Do what do you think about Jesus Christ Superstar?

haven't seen it yet. It's on the list. My wife made a list of 104 musicals. And we're gonna we're watching and

she stopped teaching and she no longer in the teaching profession. Where do you find this time?

We, we've. We've made it through a bar so far. Last Last night we finished An American in Paris. Gene Kelly. This

is this is a secret passion of mine. I have seen many musicals on Broadway.

I love them. I'd never seen very many musicals. And then like she started watching them and made this list. And now I'm hooked. It's a fact that I think that what reminded me of this lesson the Internet is a mistake. Like, you look. And you can, you don't even have to go back to these musicals from the 50s and 60s, you can go back to even old TV

yes, exactly. And

it's so satisfying.

I was watching last night, we were watching the documentary of We Are the World USA for Africa, who have it as good as 1985. And Lionel Richie is kind of doing most of the narration as a lot of stuff. I didn't know. But what was interesting is they had to get all these artists into the nm studio all at the same time. And there were no cell phones. You know, there was no email that you had to communicate through managers. They were sending cassette tapes with the demo out

Robinson Yeah, it was. It was so so simple. Back then.

You will enjoy a Book of Mormon.

Book of Mormon. Okay. Fantastic. Fantastic musical. Okay, write

that down and make sure that's on the list. The same book of mormon so we watched cats the other night never seen I've never

seen it was it good people rave about horrible.

That is the worst piece of work that's Hall of garbage I've ever seen. This is why

I've never been compelled to go see it like that. I don't think I want to go see cats.

Oh my gosh is awful. It's evidently the we didn't make it through. We made it through about 30 minutes and we were all three of us. Me and my wife and daughter just stared at each other like no, no. I can't do this.

Good. Well,

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what's funny is I keep tweeting and tweeting out the same chat link from like, literally five months ago.

And that's the, the nostril chat.

That's the MK Ultra chat. That That thing's just been running for months. I have no idea what kind of craziness is going on in that chat.

I don't think anyone uses it.

Let's go check out. There might be all sorts of horrible Shiny,

shiny stuff. Probably. That's possible. See, chat.

I wonder if anyone's ever in there. That's interesting.

Chris, you know, from five days ago, no, he's talking about nip 47 Your wallet.

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There's a few texts during the week but this is when we talk pretty

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