Episode 165: hashtag This!

2.0 for January 26 2024, episode 165 Hashtag this hello everybody welcome once again to the official board meeting of podcasting. Oh, that's right. This is the boardroom it's the board meeting and we are the only board room that meets on weekends in casual clothing. That's so true.

Oh fresh off the bag of popcorn all finished wait just in time for the show

you didn't even pop your own you got a bag of popcorn

Yeah, I don't have time to pop I got I got stuff to do.

Yeah well your your pod saves you very busy lots of stuff lots lots going on. What's happening? Yes. The man about town.

Well, I mean you're you were flying yourself. Yeah, I apologize

out of the border if you go past go check it out. See what happened. I actually did look to see if there was an airfield near near Eagle Pass and there is not because I would have gladly flown down there but now I'm reading that they expect 700,000 trucks Oh, this seems like a lot of trucks.

I think anything over anytime you get into the 1000s when you're talking about trucks even 1000 It's a lot of drugs a

lot of trucks a lot of trucks yeah everyone's pretty jacked in that Texas about this

Oh yeah. Ready to fight rolling the sleeves up. You

know that's what I'm worried about. What are we what are we fighting? And all I see the mainstream do is like, Oh, this is God's army hits white and Christian nationalists. I'm like, I'm not so sure about that.

I don't think there's that's that's not accurate.

It's not accurate. When you go oh, so my buddy Dick Pepe. I've known for 35 years he used to be in the music business he back in the South Jersey days writing and producing for Alice Cooper Skid Row some Bon Jovi stuff. Baton Rouge you know a whole bunch of hair bands the Nelson twins

the nails Oh yeah. I forgot about this great great

hair that's some pretty good songs that some hit No, we're okay

with their his name one of their hits.

As you know you put me on the spot no and

see their video their music video in my mind.

I always like some sort of and let me see the Nelson was it twins are brothers. I can't remember if they called I think they might have called the Nelson they would just Nelson Nelson. Yes. Yes, it was. This is this is this one of their big hits. Oh, the video video version. Hey, let's play a song. Okay. Remember this one can't live without

get Louis Yeah.

Hey, check it out, man. Yeah, let's play the song. Like that. Little studio 2343

classic

anthem starts like that.

Just like that and extreme more than word nor that yeah, that was confused. Yeah.

Well, this actually this was also a hit the remember this one after the rain. Has the concept the concept part of the video?

Everybody wants me thriller. Or is this I don't remember the Native American verb knows

that has something to do with it. Right Come on. Come on guys. Play the song. Oh, that looks so pretty. The Nelson twins are so Freddie. parrot is after his rains.

I do. You remember this?

Did this pom pom pom pom pom pom pom? Pom Pom Pom Pom Pom Pom. Anyway

And this Ricky Nelson's kids.

Yeah, exactly. That's exactly they are they're really nice guys, by the way. So it was Yeah, so I would be part of the crew. We hang out there and playing out in the studio and mess with each other all day long playing pranks. It was Yeah, so anyway, Vic got a clue and get out of the music business. Yeah, and he got into, this is a great business he's in. So he sells it solutions to companies, I guess a probably be selling to you and the CEO or, you know, maybe this

foreign guy, this is not the porn guy this year old buddy.

That's another one of my great friends. No, this is not the corn guy. Thanks. No, no, so he'll sell like my Microsoft Teams, you know, now with AI integration, or, you know, some other call center stuff. But then channel partner Yes. And so he, he has the relationship with the company, takes him out the golf, you know, all the fun stuff. And then his company managers, the actual implementation partners.

holy crap the same. This is the same business that all the voice over IP guys use. So it's like, they get you in and they sell you a white label Voice over IP service. And they're just, they're just like, they don't they don't care. They have like, 10 different providers on the back end. Something Yeah,

whatever you want. Whatever you want. Yeah. So he told me this unbelievable story. So somehow he got into the Federal Reserve System, which was like 1215. Banks, who knows? And, and so he's and the, the request there is to reduce their overall technology spend by $12 million dollars a year. So he gets a spreadsheet. Guess how much the Federal Reserve? I hope I'm not blowing anything here for him. But guess how much the Federal Reserve System spends on software annually across all the

gonna say 75 million $800

million. Oh, my God. I'm like, 12 million. That's just what falls on the floor in the morning. Are you kidding me? You can find that.

That was off by 10x. Isn't

that crazy? Oh, my gosh.

I don't It's like Brewster's millions. I wouldn't even be able to know. Like, I wouldn't know how to spin that. What are the use? Here's $150 million. Go spend it. I'm like, I don't think I can. So then

I'm showing him you know, Bucha grand ball. I'm showing, you know, the lit stuff. I'm showing him how the streaming sites work. And he's like, who implemented all this? I said, you know, the, the guys and the gals. Yeah, but who did it said? Well, it doesn't. It's like, you know, lightning was a bunch of other people over there. And RSS is here, and we do namespace. And he's been his mind is like boggled. But then when I when I show how you know, and so you're listening here,

Because every because every 1000 sets that goes in 900 of those would go to a seat of office 365.

It's just crazy. But anyway, so yeah, so instead of driving five and a half hours, I got a Safety Pilot and we flew up, takes exactly one hour from the airport six minutes from my house, so you can't beat that. You just can't beat it. It's so beautiful. This is of course at 16 gallons an hour of gasoline, the slur brothers slurps a little bit more than the car.

That's another step. That's a slur.

We flew out after no agenda on Thursday, so it was in the dark. That was cool. Yeah, that was very cool. Have you flown in the dark much? Well, I did to get my initial license. I haven't flown in the dark here in Texas. It's just beautiful. It's beautiful.

Lights and what are you hot? I mean, how hot Are you? 15,000 No, no,

it's not pressurized at 9000 feet. Okay, so it's just you know, just where it's comfortable. We're not like I feel kind of spacey

hypoxia, so you don't need pressure. You just need some heat. That's about it. Yeah,

yeah. He was fully air conditioned, you know has cupholders you name it. Nice Sirius XM Radio. Parachutes parachute apparently CarPlay and Android Auto, whatever you want. We actually can sync your your iPad to to the system.

So that way you can get your you can get your your pod with your pod verse chat. yours. Yep, yeah. On the dashboard, the dashboard Yeah. 9000 feet.

That's right. That's right. Oh, man. So anyway, so and, you know, just in all the just, I think I've completely spaced on it to tell you that we need to change everything and so then on a dime, you flip it around and you contact our already scheduled guest today. I'm gonna I'm sure bring him in here. Who was kind enough to flip his schedule around and we are very proud to have with us the official podcasting 2.0 consultant. Ladies, gentlemen, our other friend on the other end, Mr. Alex gates.

Hello, gentlemen.

Yeah, you sound so professional. Nice. So great Alex's number the men the first time we had him on. Yeah

yeah, yes. Honey tones now. This is great. Oh, I love it. Oh, you sound great.

He has kind of, he's got the big bottom sound on me. What am I doing? You got it.

Electro voice already? 320 I believe. That's

what that's the Adam curry mic.

And the Dave Jones mic. Yes.

I thought SM seven B? No,

no, I'm on the 320 We're all I've always been on 320.

And we're on kick drum mic as a kick drum mic.

Is it? Yeah. What do you got? Bass? The Alley you got? You got a deep voice. You got a deeper voice than I've ever heard before.

Yeah, I used to listen to my Allison myself on the old mic. And yeah, I definitely didn't hear it. But I think you're right.

The old mic that wasn't a mic wasn't as like just oh, oh, show beer. What are we drinking?

This is uh, this is a liquid death sparkling water? Because for some reason I like to spend like $3 a can on

water. Yeah. Very good. Very good. Sorry about. So I think we should start off with with this rather interesting news that that reached us.

I would like everybody to take out their Bibles. Yes. Okay. Bring out the book. Then turn to Luke chapter 11. Verse

five. Okay. And what does it say in 11? Five. Luke chapter

11. Verse five says, then teaching them more about prayer. He used this story. Suppose you want you suppose you went to a friend's house at midnight, wanting to borrow three loaves of bread. You say to him, a friend of mine has just arrived for a visit and I have nothing for him to eat. And suppose he calls out from his bedroom. Don't bother me. The door is locked for the night. My family and I are on the bed. I can't help you. I tell you

this real scripture, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah,

but I tell you this though, he won't do it for friendship sake. If you keep knocking long enough. He will get up and give you whatever you need because of your shameless persistence.

Say that in the Bible shame. Your shame was.

I love the NIV says You're shameless. You're shameless audacity. I think.

Truer words never spoken. Go

away. Yeah. So translation is our shameless persistence will eventually annoy everybody into submission. Even apple. Isn't

this. Where if if your son asks you for, you know, for something to eat, would you give him like a dead fish or something? Or stinky rock? Bread? Would

you give him a stone? Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

Yeah, there you go. I know. I'm sure. Well, it happens their foot in the door without basically by ignoring them. This is very good. I'm very proud. Very proud, very proud of our accomplishment that you took a meeting with them yesterday with the Apple team. Can you talk about that? I mean, you just tell us briefly what happened here because it came kind of from all directions. First, it was short. And then, like the floodgates opened up all of a sudden.

Yeah. Ted Hoffman, it's in an email saying, Hey, let's listen to him. Let's do a meeting. I need to tell you something. And then, like, out of 30 minutes later, Mastodon Tomlin started blowing up apples do a transcript tag. So, you know, it was just bloody I mean, you know, Todd started, you know, started the flood and

Oh, okay. Yeah. By Todd is usually the guy who's like, I can't tell you I'm under NDA.

Todd kind of threw rss.com under the bus in his in his Oh, really? What did he do? Like? He was like, no, he's like, Hey, I heard Apple's doing the transcript tag because RSS sent out an email from a thing that they got from Apple. It's like he was kind of like see like covering his bases like someone else. Just stuck in the middle guys. But yeah, Oh, it was but anyway, so yeah, we had we had a meeting and they just

the number one thing they wanted was to be on the modern podcast apps list.

I said last week, I was like, Look, I'm gonna put you on modern podcast apps.com. I'm not, I don't know if I can get you to nude podcast apps.com That's,

that means specialist. You

don't just walk it you don't just walk around your neck, like your pod friend earned that you got to earn this. So I mean, I think so just in general. They did the right thing. I mean, it's they they're a big company with with a lot of resources, obviously, they could have they could have easily just said look,

screw it iTunes colon transcript, or they could have

just not done anything at all and just auto generated all the transcripts and said, Do you know that's what you get? We're not your you can't do your own transcript, we're just going to auto generate them. It's what Spotify does. And you and YouTube,

this is what this is what made me so happy. I even saw in their spec in their, you know, their spec or whatever they call it kind of the how to use podcasts Apple podcast, they refer to the namespace to the GitHub namespace. That was cool. Yeah, link to it on there. Yeah. So what are the parameters around this? That if you have an existing transcript that will flow through, they won't do anything? It'll just happen.

Yeah. So there's, yes. Let me go over a little bit of the technical partners. They so they didn't they did they did it. It's I don't know if you've seen it, but they did it very well. I mean, it looks, it looks no I haven't seen it looks really good. It's got the word by word highlighting that's.

VTT word by word or

TT or SRT both both. Oh, cool. Yeah, write custom font. For for it. Speak. It's the guest speaker labels, if those are in there, but only in VTT. You can search the transcript there's halls or music that plays during the show that you'll get this little icon sort of like, like, three dot indicator saying, Hey, we're just kind of chillin while until the words come back. As basically everything you'd expect in a high quality transcript feature. I mean,

well, they basically accept they've accepted the namespace that that's the thing that makes me happy on the other side, I'm also like, okay, so I still want our apps to be super competitive, which they

are and they will be so I

want from my perspective you No, I'm not gonna like Oh, it's great. Everyone go to Apple nope, no, no, not gonna not gonna do that. But I really appreciate the people who were there and who have implemented it in this manner because that is exactly that's exactly what you'd hope and it is exactly what we never expected. Because big that not nothing against Apple per se, but you know, Spotify is is the is the example. They just go out. No, we're Spotify. We got

Well, they Yeah, they're not Yeah, they're not doing that in this. So they've kind of built to think this is worth talking about for a second, they built two things here. They built a transcript generation service. And this feature into the podcast app, so you can go and grab the transcript that they auto generate for you. You can edit it, and then stick it back in your feed with the RSS with the podcast transcript, right? And you have a VTT transcript that

So could you even automate that from a podcast hosting company?

I don't think so. And and I think they're probably, you know, I think it probably terms and stuff like that, but I think like, you know, I don't know, that'd be kind of weird, but but I did ask them does it work on video podcasts? And this is, you know, someone to talk to you about Alex? Because I was thinking about peer to does does this

Yeah, I don't think peer tube even enforces the spirit Speaker Labels. And anyway, just kind of converts if you can upload SRT. So it's like a really basic, basic trans transcript. I think it only uses VTT, because that's what the browser supports.

Oh, yeah. Because you can just stick that run to the to the like, video tag or whatever.

We do have Mark calls film killing yard has a VTT transcript that someone could test with. It's really basic isn't it gets out of sync to I don't even know if Apple supports HLS video anyway.

I thought that they pioneered it. I thought they pioneered they created Yeah.

Well, they've created the protocol. I don't know if they're supporting Apple podcasts. Okay, okay. Oh,

that's, that was that'd be it?

I have no idea. I just don't know.

Did they say anything else? I mean, did you say you definitely felt that there was an A A hint of well, this is based start, you know, the we this is how we'll do stuff, maybe more coming dot dot dot.

I mean, I did get I did get that feeling. I felt like they wanted to play ball. But they with with things in the future. But there's they're big and they're slow. And they take a lot of time. And honestly, I mean, that's that. I mean, that's okay. But it may not understand. I mean, that's the way things go in a large corporation. And so the, I mean, they asked Ted I'm like, Well, what, you know, what, what would your message be to like people in the podcasting 2.0 deaf

boosting is next.

Me I think I think VTT I don't know if you agree with this, Alex. But I mean, it's hard to ignore somebody that's got that much. So in an app coming in, that has that much market share. So it really makes I think VTT probably become the default. Probably what everybody should be generating by default, since it's basically, since it's really not that much more difficult to generate than SRT.

Yeah, I would agree with that. There's pretty much no reason not too. I mean, there, there's an argument to be made that we could maybe some of the absolute favorite JSON just because of the word by word timestamps. But otherwise, I would agree with that.

Yeah, cuz then you then you just get, you get web kind of for free. You know?

I'm just looking to see if otter outputs VTT, I don't even know I never even looked at it. I say SRT

and VTT are so close, all relate to each other. I mean, they're, they're so close to each other as far as the actual format goes. I guarantee you there's some like, converter or something like that. But But see, you know, on the podcast in 2.0, the app side? Well, I guess I can clarify does that anymore. But so in on the, you know, for the apps, like from the from that podcast, and on a dev group, those are going to be probably a lot of times using Steven

can they can pick and eat it however they want. Yeah, but newsflash otter does not do, Vicente. That's what I've been using SRT. Yeah. So this, of course, begs the question. Do we now get to say that approximately 46% of all downloads are podcast 2.0 apps? Let's be honest about it.

I think so. It's really, it's really validating, as someone who works so hard the namespace because I was listening to pod news weekly review, and they were talking about Lipson, you know, pretty much not caring about podcasting 2.0 features, and it's like, do you want to change the world? Or do you want apple to do it for you? And

and learn there's no coincidences in the kingdom? No sooner? No sooner had those words been spoken? Or they they did it? They did exactly that.

What a great that that's a great way to put it. Alex is like, are you just gonna sit back and wait for somebody else to do this stuff for you? Or do you want to have a hand in creating it? And then right now, I feel you on that, brother, I mean, like, so. And I think that I think that they're going to be involved in the way that they can. So one of the things that they requested

was an invite to podcasting. Next on social. We're already there. I mean, I know we got people there lurk, and

yeah, they're like, but one of the things that they talked about was, AI, was tagging. So they're, they're big on. They're big on AI tagging. So they want things to be clearly labeled whether or not in there, if you look on their transcript page, if it's an auto generated transcript that they created in their system, it's going to say at the bottom, this was generated, this is auto generated. And they want to, he was saying that he wanted to extend that if possible, by adding it's

he's lurking quick, let me kick them off.

So he said, he said they want to extend that to, to the transcript tag, if we can figure out as a group a way to do that, well, essentially, like put in some sort of generator attribute or something that was called where this transcript came from.

I think I recall a discussion about that on a on the GitHub, I think, actually, James might have been talking about that, if I recall correctly. There was something about that,

as well, there was a tag proposal for just in general saying, tagging an entire podcast as this is an AI podcast, like it. This is an AI generated podcast. And I think that like this would be you know, what they were saying and, and I think it's probably a good idea is that if you extend if you sort of like because that's a little bit too broad. I mean, like there's certain aspects of the podcast that could be aI generated Did you may that we may really need to have

shouldn't be at the bottom, it should be at the top of the transcript, honestly, for sure.

in things like, like the, maybe the person tag it had, maybe there's a attribute in there this is, you know, is this essentially some sort of way to indicate whether or not this was an actual person or some kind of autogenerate? Just a

crazy thought. But, you know, the, the GitHub discussions are open for anybody. I mean, now, it's kind of going through one person than the next, but I'd love to see them in there with some proposals. Now,

they're in there. They're in there sometimes. Yeah, they were, you know, they worked on the txt tag with us.

Right, right. Okay, good. Good.

Yeah. But I think I think it's something that will well,

now I'm gonna go buy an Apple vision Pro. I feel good now. And while we're on the topic, anyone who might be listening over there, I am very gung ho on creating a virtual podcast studio, here's an opportunity, just say, where

you can fly now without leaving your home. At the border. I live in Fredericksburg.

Now I want to be flying and doing a podcast at the same time.

He's got the Patriot app, he just load up. So yeah, but it's good. I mean, that's great. Good thing. Yeah.

And congratulations to everybody. Congratulations to everybody in the podcast and 2.0 orchestra. And enter the apple team, I'm really very happy about this. Because this is one of these moments. And I think we've talked about this Meantime, just someone's gonna happen. And then and, and there will be a bump. And this is although this is maybe not a huge public facing bump. This is something that shows it completely certifies what we're doing, it validates what we're doing.

I just think it's hilarious to have podcast apps.com and apple at the very bottom of the list, one tag. That just makes me so happy.

Speaking of lists, so and I see you have some clips, of course, I haven't listened to anything you sent me. But there wasn't a discussion. I also have not unfortunately listened to pod pod news weekly review, I feel like I haven't done my homework this week yet. But I saw the topics. And so this was a conversation that well, you know, and I if I recall, the the people of podcasting 2.0 They won't really tell you that it's only 1% of apps. Like okay, and

No, that's not that's not bad. That's, that's not just not bad. That's great. Yeah. Like,

then, and a couple of people were putting up their stats. And I was like, No, yeah, you can look at it that way that it's less than 1%. But for my world, which is only important to me, it's a much higher number, and I'm super happy and I and I get those people to use those apps. And they try different ones out. And you know, there's a lot of there's 15 of them now. And and I promote the I promote the benefits and for my money. The number one thing that I'd love

with you, if you Yeah, I mean, Alex brought up so you know he is talking about Alex, you were talking about what Rob said he's you Just just to catch everybody up in case they don't know what we're talking about. This is Rob Walsh from the feed, which he works at Lipson, and he's they have a podcast called the feed. And he's talked to him about on there. He had a question from a listener about what is podcasting? 2.0? Like, how do I get involved? And this was his answer.

Which one is this? Internet? Rob? Rob, what

is podcasting? 2.0? I'm

sorry, yes, I see it here at the bottom. Alright,

podcasting. 2.0 is not one thing. It is many, many different items, none of which are supported by Apple podcasts or Spotify. Actually, less than 1% of all downloads to aggregator apps come from apps that support any of the podcast 2.0 specs, this is something you do not hear the podcast 2.0 proponents mention, there's virtually no support on the listener side per aggregator apps, which is where it's posted matter most.

You put that in there, that was not me, you're trying to serve me. I'm gonna ignore the the fact that, you know, now this is this is incorrect. That's not fair. But

But hold on, hold on a second. You can ignore it. We talked we talked to Libsyn, two years ago. And yeah, we're gonna do it, we're gonna do it. We're gonna do it. I felt personally, I felt there was like, You're, you're the one of the first companies that was out there, you've had a rough ride with all kinds of vO company issues. But that felt that felt like you're kicking us a little bit. Take it. Right. And if you were implementing one tag, then I would take the criticism. Read

it did it. It will we I mean, we yeah, we had a meeting with them. And, you know, it's one of their lead developers. And I think the president of that company, and, you know, they told us that they were like, Well, we're here we, you know, we want to dive in, send us all the documentation that you've gotten us put together and spend time putting together a bunch of documentation and emailing it to them, and then they didn't do anything. Right. And, you know,

ask Jesus. It was really difficult. I just had a hard time getting the word out. Yeah, it's very spiritual podcast today. Yes, I was you started it. Yeah,

I did. I did is muffled. So if we like, if I don't really care about criticism, if I did. We, I

mean, we were

a long time ago. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but, you know, I guess. I guess it's, you know, we're not hiding anything. And the biggest issue with what he said, as far as I'm concerned is, and I kind of want to move on to something else. The that ALC said it but my biggest thing with him with what he said was that he's talking about podcast stats as if they are one thing that indicate that is yeah, like you said, is if the entire industry is one monolithic thing, yes. It's it's like, it's

My step kid in Brooklyn, she's starving. Kids, there's waiting tables. Exactly. Yeah,

your GED, your your two and a half percent GDP did not, you know, doesn't help the guy who lost his gig. Who got laid off? Yeah, it's irrelevant. It's an irrelevant number, the stat those kinds of stats don't mean anything. Because like you said, the biggest podcaster in the world, Joe Rogan has one app. Yeah,

one. And he's maybe four or 5% of all downloads. Yes.

So these, saying this is just, to me indicates a misunderstanding of the nature of the podcast ecosystem at a fundamental level. Yeah. And I think, you know, when people say when people say this, when people use these kind of arguments, I think, what they're, what they're saying is, you know, companies that are heavily invested in and making money from pot in advertising, digital advertising, basically,

Yeah, Yeah. Although people do move hosts for these types of features.

Yeah. And I'm not being ugly. I'm just saying that I mean, I think that's true. I think there's a there's because these these companies, they sell advertising on these shows. And so like, if they look at that chapters, and they're like, Well, I don't give a crap about chapters. I mean, how does that help me make money? Like, I think there's, I think it gets clouded like that, right? Yeah. Well, in that Yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely. It's the same thing is, you know, hey, there's $2 billion dollars going around and podcasting. Okay.

Yes, but, you know, the other thing, I think, I think what ALC said, was more interesting to me. She talked about being intimidated by the technical nature of 2.0. I am

not negative about podcasting 2.0 features, and I really find them exciting. But I'm at a loss as to how to communicate a lot of this in a simple manner, with the demographic and psychographic that I serve. And also, if I want to participate in a lot of this stuff, a lot of the conversations I've seen around podcasting, 2.0 is very technically centric. And I feel like I don't understand it myself. And I kind of feel overwhelmed. And, like, I'm not

oh, well, that's a very good point.

Yeah, and I'm glad he threw in there that, you know,

that we're not doing our purpose. Yeah, exactly.

I thought that I thought that was a good thing that he threw in,

well, this will this is good. And this conversation comes back from time to time. And then it happened again. The, I think we can agree now, if not, I think it was said quite clearly, podcasts. index.org should not be the place to explain podcasting. 2.0. No, first of all, the podcasts, hosting companies. They're the ones that speak to the podcasters. And I think they've done a pretty good job of

Let's step back, let's step back for a minute and just look at what podcasting itself like actually consists of multiple locations of HTTP objects delivered over IP, one of which contains an XML file, describing metadata of a show, and a bunch of episodes, in part in other HTTP locations, describing potentially mp3 files, WAV files, other audio file types, I mean, explaining this setup to any normal person.

the same. The same can be said for pod home. Pod home. Yeah, upload your your file, and it says, Oh, here's your here's a suggestion for your chapters. Here's your transcript. Here's some other, you know, whatever other things, title, all of those come suggested. And so it's interesting that, you know, LC works at Lipson she should know,

Like, it's just that. I guess what I'm trying to say is it is Robin, Elsie probably should stop trying to explain to porn, though it's really not. Yeah, exactly, exactly. It's

not there. They shouldn't, they shouldn't have to hear they should be paying someone to tell them what it is. That's the other hosted. But I worked for a lot of people who don't know what I do. And I explain it to them in a higher level. And they're just not making the investment.

Yes, I would imagine in your day job, Alex, that you're probably you know, you, you explain the high level stuff, and then you go build the build the solution. And then they don't have to know how the solution works. It's just you told you told them that the rough idea, and then you have a finished product and that's what they paid you for.

And how much it cost. Yeah, yeah. And how much it costs?

Well, Alex, I'll have you know that Mo Mo facts is coming your way. Okay, he is ready. He is ready. He has his basic understanding. You know, he has a YouTube understanding and I think that what you've done with peer tube I think you've you've given us enough hints there in the interface and what you need to do that's like hey, you connect it up here. And then you start streaming here it recording is here. And here's I

so just to be clear, most of that's not even my work. That's just the pure to developers. They're really great. But you I mean you just have to saw the lightning plug in and add like a lightning address or whatever. So cool. And thanks, Eric or head for that work. So yeah, I mean, it's, there's a couple things that you have to install afterwards. But yeah, I'd be happy to help him with that. Yes,

I'm sending him to you. I'm sending him to you.

Just be speaking of YouTube. There's another. There's another clip I want to play because I think this is actually pretty appropriate. Where she's talking about the YouTube Music app lacking basic features,

quote, I've been asking for the ability to mark episodes has played since May, and Google in December, said to expect that in the coming months, it's really a basic podcast client feature to help manage your library, playing a podcast and dragging the scramble all the way to clear it from that new episodes playlist is a ridiculous hack. A more minor ask is support for podcast chapters, which I'm actually hopeful for given that there's an equivalent video feature.

Yeah, good point.

But see that, that that is a direct contradiction to what they're talking about earlier. Yeah. It's the these at these apps. These if the, if the YouTube app sucks this bad. The YouTube Music app sucks this bad for podcasting. Tell your audience not to use it. Tell your audience to go and use it and use a 2.0 app. Yeah, it's it's so easy. You don't have to know what podcasting 2.0 is. Just tell them to go use a modern podcast app that is decent. I mean, the YouTube

they don't they don't. They don't seem very serious about their effort in this. No,

it's, it's terrible. It's a, that's a terrible day. So like the Devitt. We depend on developers to take these to take all of these things, and translate them into usable software, that the listener and the podcaster, use a buzzer, like Buzzsprout Buzzsprout created the transcript tag, they brought that to the two point is to this two point space. They brought that to the 2.0 namespace. Then you have

Or in fact, they look at our API and say, Oh, look at this. We got pod rolls coming out.

Yeah, what's a pod roll? That's this. This is interesting. What is, uh, you know, here's a transcript, no, they had transcript, all you're gonna, you're gonna see, whoa, chapters, there's a whole chapters file, you're going to, they're going to begin to see all of this content out there in hundreds of 1000s of feeds. And they're just going to reverse engineer backup to the spec, and start building these and showing them, but they would never do that if the spec existed in a

always Oh, and it always takes time. Yes, it takes takes a long time. It's like value for value takes a long time before. It's like oh, and then all of a sudden everyone's kind of seeing it. Everyone's seeing value dripping into their wallets.

It part of what they used was the jeans mom argument. You know, I can't explain to to jeans

model but she died. So that's kind of a bad. It's not good to use that anymore. It's no, no, no. Jeans. It's an honorary honorary title. I think Jean is very happy with us using it still. In Memoriam Memorial jeans mom in memoriam GMM because

the whole idea of the jeans. Now, this is an honoring thing, because you know, the idea of the jeans mom argument was that was that it was not fair to jeans mom. Like, the Jim's mom was smarter than everybody who gave her credit. And so that's the thing is like, you know, we keep being told I can't recommend some other app, or or some other feature somebody go seek out another feature or something like that, because it's too hard to explain. Well, you don't have to

They do. I don't want to belabor what the proof is in the pudding. But it has to come from the podcast or when a podcaster says, Hey, try this app. Yeah. And I always use one or two features. The main one, I said, Hey, you know, you'll be updated within 90 seconds of me publishing it, you get an alert. Is that something you're interested in? Everybody's interested in that? I'm sick and tired of seeing on Twitter that something was released, and it's not in my app yet? Well,

I think I think Apple got to that point, their lifecycle there locally at work, you know, what can we do looking around for new features and that kind of thing? Here's, here's a feature. 2.0 feature we can do? Yeah. And then they put that in there. And it also helps them because people want, they are less likely to bail out and go to a different app. But I mean,

so true.

Well, I think I think the the tyranny of the default is worse than Apple, I just maybe argue against that a little bit. And Apple knows that. And that's why they that's why they're adding features.

The Tyranny of the default? Yeah,

I will, I mean, it's the default apps, right. Most people probably use the apple podcast app, because that's what they have. And I think Android users are just more used to finding new apps.

Yeah, speaking. Okay. Speaking of Andrew, I thank you for saying that because it jogged my memory. Speaking of Android, so this, one of the things that they were telling me in the meeting yesterday was that this is about and I've got a GitHub post on this post on this. They were talking about the MIME types. And I think we have we have it correct for the MIME type is for VTT is text slash VTT The MimeType for SRT is like unobtainium, I cannot figure out

Alex.

I think if there's no standard, we just have to allow both. There's no way to enforce it anyway.

Yeah, I agree. I agree. I mean, I don't see how that we'll see any other way to slice that.

A tax plan is dumb that, no.

I'm trying to avoid the the inevitable. You know, every time you're in an open source project, and you do something, there's always which what you might call the MIME type smartass. That where you define something, and somebody pops up and says, you know, that's not the right MIME type. And it's like, oh, okay, fine. And then there's an inevitable flame war about what MIME type to use.

So I'm actually Dave.

I'm trying to avoid that here. But I'm afraid I'm afraid. I don't, I don't want there to be like a, you know, 12 Page GitHub discussion about what MimeType to use in this scenario. So I'm not against what I'm saying is I don't think we can change anything at this point. I think. I think we gotta leave it alone for the moment.

I'm fine with leaving it alone for the moment.

You're not opinionated on the MimeType format?

No, no, no, I want to move on to rising. I want to move on to the helipad update.

Oh, yeah. What would you do, then i,

t, Eric VP, sent a an update to heli pad, a beta, which I had to sideload. Now when you side load onto this as the start nine that I'm running, that was very interesting. It required a restart of the entire box. That's not necessarily because it it was stuck or anything. It was like I was out of ideas, because it installed and then it was throwing an error, and then was trying to stop and I couldn't stop the

This have essentially turned over helipad to Eric peepee. At this point I gave him like maintainer rights on that repo. So he's like, I'm not I'm not even involved anymore. It's like his app now. He's he's rocking and rolling with it.

It is fant I mean, it's a very exciting. It's just exciting that, you know, I can send it back. Hey, thanks for your boost. I really appreciate it. And here's 1000 SATs back, SATs back

says that's bad. I wonder Friday.

I wonder. So this is cool export option, which I really love the export option. I wonder if that also works on the sent booths? Oh, yes, it does?

No way. Sure looks in there, too. Let

me just double check. I'm gonna save this. I think so. It came up really fast on the sent tab. So um, that seems like that would work. I mean, this is becoming something really useful. Is heli pad is a is a is a very useful wagon at this point. I mean, I run everything on it. Every show runs on I'm exporting all the booths, you can start. There is a little problem, though. I think it's I think the split kit doesn't send the show it sends a song if you're if you're if it's

because of my of my elegantly modular code base that allowed this very just plugged right in.

Yes, yes. And the interface of Karis right through? It's great.

He's been working on that for weeks. Yeah, I mean, like, I don't know, he, I think he started it last year, like before Christmas. But he's been working on that for a while. Yeah.

And just so people know, for him. Yeah, just so people know how I use it, I just send a small split to my own node at home so that I can because you get the full amount. So you can you can manage all of the boosts coming in, whether it goes to Alby or wherever found to wherever your wallet is, just get a little little bit at home. I mean, it'd be great. If this could integrate into Alby. I'm sure people would love that, if that was possible.

But I don't know how Alex, Alex has been, you've been playing around with, with the, you've played around with the breeze SDK lately, right.

Not too much, but I've looked at a lot.

Because I wondered, you know, because I've always wondered if we could hook. Like, if you read if you just fired up, I've always had this vision, you know, like, you could just fire up a helipad with nothing to connect to

a heart. It just has it has a wallet right in there.

And then it just spins up a green light.

If breeze SDK supported case, and that would solve so many of the custodial issues we have is that you could just you could just run and you could just run your own node like that.

He's not only Elon URL right now.

I mean, you could generate invoices, but I don't know about oh, new URL.

And we're gonna have to get Roy back on the show. So we can figure that out. Because I mean, that that would be I can't think of an easier solution. I mean, you you just we, we put, I mean, we could really Jamelia

apps would be born. Amelia,

let me because you mean, you could think I mean, think about it, you could just download. You can install helipad. If I even threw a Docker image or something, you could install helipad. And then it comes up and you're like, Okay, I want to I want to node and bam, you just have one if if it could do keys and that would be wasn't a perfect solution wasn't

the whole point of of green light that there was a cloud element that would stay kind of like a watchtower that would stay online and then will receive your key send, but it can't send anything and then the minute you fire up your, your green light portion that it then connects to that Watchtower? Wasn't that the idea that I misunderstand that?

Yeah, let me like, I don't know if the what I don't know if it's the Watchtower concept came through or not. But the idea is that as soon as you Yeah, when when you when a payment was coming in, it would spin the node up, except the payment and then and then pass it through, right?

Yeah, I do. And the only issue right now is to use green light, you have to sign up and get a certificate. And I don't know how accessible that will be for the average user I want, I'm gonna find out. Because that would be really, really great. But it's not just a plug and play solution yet.

Because I mean, that that would apply to peer tube as well, because you're in a tube. I mean, you could just, like spin up, spin up a node and then you know, you're it's like, it's not your keys. I mean, you're not managing anything. It's all on the user side.

Mm hmm. Yeah, I'm waiting for the day. I can get rid of my my Raspberry Pi note, because I just don't want to I just don't have the time for it.

Yeah, I mean, my channels have been messed up for a month now. And

I can't let me help me help you. I can help you

purchase index channel. It won't. It's not in there offline all the time. Yeah, it's broken. Oh, yeah.

No, that's but you're still on the Umbral.

Yeah, I'm on the umbrella. Yeah, because it's my podcast rig. Broken the doing too many things on one box roll here.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I have no idea. I had problems with Umbro and torx. And that always seemed to be

I'm not on tour. I'm on. I'm on clarinet, clarinet. I got a clarinet channel to you. Yeah.

I don't know. It's broke. It's broke. is broke. All right, anyway. RPP you are a man of many talents. I appreciate you.

Yeah, this Yeah, that's a pretty that's a pretty badass feature. Alex, you're on top categories?

Oh, absolutely.

Because, I mean, I think we're there. I mean, think we we were at this point where we need so we've got we've got music medium now. And obviously other mediums, audiobooks, all this kind of stuff with film. So the, the iTunes categories, they're just not sufficient anymore. Because you need you know, if you're going to be looking for music, that's, you know, a specific genre. This, the, the limited set of Apple categories are not going to help you much at all. So we I mean,

those are same issues hijacking the iTunes tag because we don't know, what would break. Yeah,

no, I agree. That's great. Yeah, yeah. I agree with you. Because if, if we don't fully understand this tag and how it's being used, well, then you can't just go in and start doing Wild West stuff with it. No, I agree. And then you have. So and and that's not really in podcast feeds anyway. So you're going to feed generators and have to make a change, regardless. So you might as well go with podcast with a podcast, category tag, podcast, colon tag category or something like that.

Yeah, and I understand. I mean, the main argument against it is how do you know which categories to surface? And I think my there's, there's two? I have two answers to that, I think. And the first is, I think we should think of them as hashtags. Just because that seems to be the most user translatable idea to what we're actually doing. Whether or not you call them categories, topics from the name doesn't matter.

Okay, yeah, that makes sense.

Yeah, good. Well, yeah, yeah. I think people are confused. I think calling it a category just causes too much confusion. It's like the yahoo, yahoo keywords like, I get it. But you don't have to, you don't have to use them as categories in your UI, right? You can use them as small like filters.

Or labels. Right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. How would you think how would you call them? Oh, really? Oh, yeah. That's right. Because they had the topics thing in the, in their dinned directory. Did you see Nathan's post about using the Wikimedia identifiers?

Yes, and I'll be honest, I think it's, I don't hate the idea. But if it gets too complicated for the average user, including me, it might be better for you know, a host or, or whatever to do it behind the scenes. And we would just use natural language as it is. And I think I think it would be important to like have a language attribute to and then if people want to provide a service that has that translates them to the wicked data identifiers that they gave me might be a better idea.

Sort of translating the translation in both ways. What

exactly is the wiki data stuff? What is that? I didn't see the post.

If How do we explain it? I would call it a data scientist way of analyzing natural language. Okay, it's basically a way of classifying words using a human made agenda. hers don't

fully understand it. And no, I don't I don't understand you. But I read a read the linked the linked URL. And I thought, I thought I understood it until about like this third section down. And then I like I don't I clearly don't know what this means. So I can't. Yeah, I don't know. I

just call them what they are. They're hashtags that the whole world understands what a hashtag is.

Okay, hashtags. So well, Nathan says about deduplication. Yeah, and I think that's where it was. It's about guardrails. And so if you can, if you can classify the possible values that would be contained in these things, sort of, like, I guess you could, my understanding through reading through that document was that it was sort of like a Dewey Decimal System. For possible words, that go with that go into a overall like taxonomy of, of things. So it's like, okay,

is that external service that would just make sense for that to exist?

Again, I mean, if we all agreed on the same sort of bootstrap list, it doesn't prevent anybody. Do you agree with this? Alex? It doesn't. I mean, if we had something like that, it wouldn't prevent anybody from putting new things into it. It's just that it sort of like, it's trying to guide you towards an agreed upon value.

Yeah, I mean, I would, I would argue that all languages, but it doesn't have to be part of the spec. You could just have it you can have lists.

LSVT. What you mean? Yeah, yeah, you, we don't have to define where these things come from. But there could just, it could just be an agreed upon like, this is which you can use the list that you want. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. I mean, I think we're on the right track. How do you if you're going to implement like, imagine you're implementing this in peer tube? What do you think? What do you think it would look like from a UI perspective?

I actually did, and then I removed it. We already have tags in peer tube and you could just type in whatever you want.

And does auto auto complete with something that already exists?

I don't remember I haven't looked at it in a while but you just edited the video and there's a whole you actually got the column tags if you look at Dave's live live channel right now. He actually he literally has PHP podcasts, index podcasting, podcasting, 2.0 and rust shadows

are really dumb tags that you can play using those tags.

You can't or not a creative

messing with you brother.

Okay, cool. Well, maybe maybe that's what we go for. Maybe we say podcast, maybe this maybe the name of this tag

I think we all want to look for music.

Yeah, yes. Speaking of music Oh, shall we play a little ditty?

Yeah, who chose this day? It was a you Yeah,

I mean I'm sorry Alex I should have asked you. English subterfuge unless unless you want to give me a name right now and I can look it up real quick and I got nothing Yeah, I

so bad all the sweet thing good luck suddenly it happened Sweet Nachi everybody Y'all

if you are not using a modern podcast app, what is wrong with you go and get a modern podcast app that does the magic wallet switching the super chapters that are also known, because any stats that you were streaming anything you boosted during that song, go to the artist, we switch the wallets and everything goes to Jimmy V. And whatever splits he has, in his system. He male, he gave me this analogy. He said, Imagine, I build a hot rod in my garage. And then I take it to your car

It's I mean, I think this not a great analogy. I don't think we spray painting cars. No, no,

but But what we're doing is we're changing the universe is what's happening here. This I mean, we have 20 shows now I think that at least I know of music shows Yeah 20 music

shows while the wave wave like themselves are and they got a music Yeah, they

got a music show out. Yeah, Powell man is Yeah, I was listening

to booty call or whatever that was that Mike Newman put out earlier booty call. No, that's not it. It's some though.

It's a mood wave.

booty shaking.

I haven't heard it.

Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, there's a bunch of stuff out there. That's why we need this like we need because, like saw like lightning thrashes. Yeah. Homegrown handle show, he has an easy way to find metal. Yes, exactly. Find the middle. Right

now. You know, the influx of the inflow of music is manageable enough. So every week I'll go in, I'll listen to all the new stuff. Find your stuff. I go into split kit, which are ln beats, but split kit is easy, because then I just start building my songs. I want a little list. And it's chronological order. So right at the top, it'll show you the most recently added and I think now wave Lake is adding them automatically. I think. I don't know that. Yeah, I think you're

just in and out. I

mean, yeah, it's just not for me. The door. Yeah. Oh, by the way, Abby Muir who I played last week she's not from Sweden. She's from Australia. I was notified

were you notified by sweet Yes, we did. The Australia

the Australians called yeah they were pissed

let me she's number one on the

number one gets indexed out top how many what is the top what are the what is the top today's top two honoree today? Of 203? Yes, but here I see something I don't know yet. The flat dancer the unusual cats project so I love these cats project is a usual usual the usual Yeah, I know. Alan see Paul. He seemed number four serenity. As I told him, that's another instrumental track. I played his track. He put on Instagram he said perspective. Two weeks on value for value. I

though, dude, you've got to put you've got to play some of this. The flat dancer thing. Like that's a pretty killer track, jazz or something? Yeah, like the usual cats.

Oh, okay. I don't have I don't have it. Which one the flight

was played like this biggest puppy hitting the door just picking picking on it for a second.

Okay, I got you

to stand up bass is what that is.

Bom bom bom bom bom. Nice. Alright, cool.

That's it. It's a mood waiting to happen.

Got it. That's a booty. shakin right there. All right, let's check that out for sure. For sure. I gotta do a boosted ground ball this week. Okay, yeah.

Alex pod ping over activity pub. Does that fill you with the with, with dread? Or does that sound interesting?

Can you elaborate?

Yes, I can. So I had this, I had this idea because I'm in my head is in activity pub mode right now. And I'm, I'm trying to get away from that. So they can get back to doing index work. But it's like, I'm just consumed with it. So I was thinking, if if pod pings were also deliverable over activity pub, then we could use activity pub as, as, as another medium to get in Pub Sub ability so that you could subscribe to something like to you could subscribe to the show.

up on me. How about how about, can I just trip your mind? About subscribe to a hashtag? That comes through on pod ping?

Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. Okay, yeah, like that. You could, we could do that too. Like you say, if we combine them say, hey, you know, hashtag but so that you can say, okay, these shows I want to get pod pings for. And they would have like a custom activity po type object type for the pod pain. And it could serve as a sub subscription mechanism. Through the data bridge.

The only issue I can see would be this is not globally deliverable. It's not like it's not it's not a global message bus, right. Some things could be missed. Maybe instances might start blocking things. I don't know if that's really relevant. Because if you follow something, that's all you would need. I have to think about it. But I'm not totally against the idea.

Can I Can I ask hey, that's all I need. For Alex to say. I'm totally against the idea. That's, that's the daylight I was looking for.

I need to ask a question day. Four. So publishing today's episode, what do I use as the route posts? Because I'm still a little confused. Anything, anything? Well, how does that how does that integrate them with people who are following the show?

Okay, so the latest version of the bridge will just take whatever is in the route, post, whatever's in the social interact tag URL. And we'll just put that as a link in the post. Oh,

god. Okay. Now I understand how it works. So we can just click right when you subscribe to the show. So you know at what is it 249966 Whatever it is at a P dot podcast index.org then when that pops up, it'll have a link and that's the and that's the link that I put in as the root post.

Yeah, and it can be linked to any activity. Okay,

thank you all right. Now I understand like oh, well good. Well, this solves oh man love that. By the way. Lex Friedman is using pod ping turns out you know, Lex Friedman is huge. podcaster. So Andrew Brown Black Tiger. Yeah, the Brandon black. Andrew Gromit just posted on the on the social and he's a screenshot of Lex Friedman's URL, and it says pod ping uses pod ping equals true. Really? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know.

Doesn't say where to get investigative investigate this.

Likes to show that I mean, yeah, these are interesting little tidbits. By the way. Andrew Gromit. I see your I see your boosts I see your tests boost their show. What

is it What's he cooking up?

I don't while he's he's he's still cooking up the podcast as well wonder what's the RSS feed? Let's take a look at his feed. What is he using?

Oh, he's Oh no. Here we go. Yeah, no. Oh,

he's on Bloomberg. Bloomberg. Powerful. Read our press. Oh, how about that?

Todd delivering the good? Yes. Bang,

bang. Alright, very cool. We go. Very cool.

What? What's new users pod things? Like cool. Todd. What's new on the pod pain front? Alex?

Well, nothing really. That's a good thing, right? Yeah, running. This version has been running for

over a year. Now, what's the uptime? How many how many hours up to how many minutes uptime?

Well, Dave had to, actually there's no downtime, which centers on hive, technically, but they've had to do some updates, I think last year, but otherwise,

I actually rebooted everything about a month ago. But before then it had been like, I think a year while since that service.

I'm really proud of that. It's so stable, and no one really even thinks about it, which is what you want guy

precise, just stuff that works.

Yeah. So. But in reality, we do have to think about an update for the mediums, particularly, or the publisher. So if we want the publisher medium, or whatever we decide to call it. I think we're, we need to add that to pod ping. And then there were a couple others, I think, who wanted the, I can't I can't remember what it was. But there's a couple, there's a couple of meetings we have to add. And that's it. There's,

like

course, or whatever. Yes, of course. That's

right. Okay.

So, sir de nonnamous, who created being at.io, which is basically he's ingested every transcript from no agenda, every show notes, because I published an OPML. All the image is he's got everything in there. And he has a search function. Hey, I gotta read it. Well, he's, you know, it's a search function. And, but it would be great to have some kind of large language model baked out or as they call it now extended? No, is it? Yeah, I think it's called extended

Yes, yes. And it won't. apps won't know that there's no update to the chapters without checking the zero. Right? I do I do have a solution for that. Okay. It's called if you go to the page or go to the pod pinning hive writer, GitHub. I think it's the the update, external reason code. And it basically, basically, the idea is to take a hash of the of the URL, and send a pod pain when you update something external to the feed, that note that notifies apps

beautiful. Well, that's exactly the answer he's looking for. We just have to make it. So

that would be I'm all for doing that as soon as possible. If we agree to do it.

I would love it. Because that's, you know, there's just certain things that come after the fact chapters. You know, there's all kinds of different types of chapters that add even with the reflex service with the often disputed reflex service of adding a you know, putting the booths not at the table of contents, but into into a chapter marker. You know, that updates on the fly as well.

See, this is the update. exe. Yes. An indication that an existing RSS feed with a defined podcast good has changed externally available resource given good must be okay. Yeah. Yeah, this makes sense. Makes sense of

doing it that way. Is it woodworkers some some like IPFS as well. So I'm not trying to try and keep a future proof.

Nice.

Yeah, yeah, right. Okay. Yeah, this might Yeah, this makes sense. Yeah, we'll have to get it we're gonna have to get back to pod paying whenever, maybe, maybe, maybe timeline on that, for me would be to kind of get back into the after face seven, because then we can figure out if we, which published like which mediums we need, and then we can just revisit it and do it. Kind of hit that all at once. If you're ready for it.

Let's do it. Part three is my favorite subject.

is shall we thank thanks a few people. Oh, yeah, sure. I'm gonna run through some of the live boosts we've been receiving on my fancy new heli pad by the way Eric P P. It still shows the install was version Oh dot one dot 11 But it shows Oh dot one dot 10 on the interface just FYI little little bug feedback inside baseball bully steed 4444 Ah podcasting 2.0 homegrown hits variety show v Furby little promo there yeah 70 and 76 Freedom booths from blueberry I'm loving podcast

you want to know why lb goes down? That's this blueberry that's

I wonder if that's that's that Jimmy V i don't have no we don't have 19 dogs so I guess he so we switched to 19 value recipients love it. Geez. Dred Scott 4567 from pod verse and he says love you Adam hashtag SATs back. Boost me boost me on cast thematic and I'll send you some back 8888 from a Chris You know, on pod verse with Alex gates on the

No, no, no.

Nip 47 685 47

net 47 And what was the 685

nostre wallet connect extensions?

Oh noster wallet connect okay describes a way for clients to access remote lightning wallet, their standardized protocol.

Don't Don't Don't get me started on Nastar. It's just

they think he's kind of want to

see what happens when you poke the bear. All right, but

yes, it's just it's just a way of using centralized servers to publish HTTP endpoints. It doesn't solve anything new.

Moving on to blueberry with 6666 I'm happy to move on. It should be noted we have a severe overpopulation of goats in the greenroom. And we need your help all boost. A goats are getting dropped from 666 to six six this coming Monday on beyond the schemes. That's right fools. This is an ad Episode One

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That's right fools episode 187 We'll see a fire sale on goats they've got to go okay and blueberry comes in with 17,776 That's shout out to Hey citizen for the tip on how to get lightning control going off the computer. Oh yeah, that is kind of cool. So be sent a video when a boost comes through then all of a sudden some lights flash in the studio. I like that. You saw those videos.

Did you see that Alex that he did you see what he posted?

No, but I want to

Yeah, he's using DMX protocol to fire off lights right? This is quite literally gonna be lit we got another crazy idea for new type of boosts So be watching for to debut on homegrown hit soonish Okay. Salty crayon comes in how do you boardroom with the road ducks 2222 from pod verse. How do you from the northeast corner of the Texas Hill Country the fountain split percentages are out of whack I don't have over

of is a lot of drunk donations gonna It's Saturday,

you know it's a different crowd in the boardroom. It's like everyone came in their casual slacks you know, like came in jeans, little buzz, you know, like, hey, we coming in from podcast Guru 500 SATs from Sockeye the horse and cue another salty crayon with an Abby boost. Then there's a test boost from me and And I think well, there's one from five hours ago. So you have that one. That was a question a topic for Alex. So I think we can move it over to you, Dave.

Okay, well, let me let me hit some papers first, because we've got. I mentioned last week we lost a big donor. And yeah, I was I was incorrect, because, but Buzzsprout can't cancel their $500 a month donation. Because they were going to add a news monthly donation of $1,000. So

we just got $2,000. From from bessborough. Yes. Sakala 20 is blade only Impala, guys, thank you so much. Yeah, that that. That really, that is big. Thank you. Yeah, that's a massive value that you're giving us there. And

congrats to them. Because that blog said the transcript tag was what?

Oh, yeah, they brought it to the party for sure. Because

I think that was the first tag we worked on in the namespace. And it's because they were already trial running it when, when when the namespace was created, they were already trial running that tag with podcast with Xavier from podcast addict. So they were doing some testing with it. And they had, they had just kind of rolled it out the door. And then the namespace came along and they're like, Hey, let's just go ahead and put this into the namespace. Thank God since there Yeah, what

was the wasn't chapters from a different namespace

chapters, we inherited the format from an app called Mac called podcast chapters for the Mac.

Oh, yeah. Right. That's what it was. Yes. Yeah.

We also the party's not over because of Marco Harmon. He's back with $500 again this

man we are just hammering it with the value Thank you. And just because it was kind of slow the past couple of shows. So this is very welcome. And

I'm hoping that I'm hoping that another benefit of of Apple adopting 2.0 tags it's gonna be that that guy over cash Yeah, yeah. will become more comfortable with with doing these things as well. And so we'll get more broad adoption that

he might want to, you know, surpass them by adding just the thought. We got

one we get one weekly pay pal from Travis halls. He says thank you $7.17 Thank you.

Thank you Travis.

Appreciate it gets a boost. We get 10,000 SATs. Yeah, me too. Nathan I get the Pocket Casts is there another one that said that they were going to be putting in a bunch of stuff and then they did that ever truly. Yeah, that's yeah.

They and they rolled out subscriptions for themselves for themselves.

Anonymous five 500 SATs as a great song that was for during the song last week all right. Yep, just listening send a 1776 through fountain and he says I need that Bill Gates AI clip boosting episode 163

It's published it's on it you can go to Bing it.io and look for Bill Gates and then look for Eclipse and you'll find it

Chris last oh this Chris from Jupiter broadcasting 68 848 through fountain he says great work guys really cooking with clean burning propane these days? Most appreciate it. Chris. Let's see who got 1701 through my from my Dale cast thematic. He says alternate feed tag.

Yes. Alternate feed tag. Boost. Alternate feed tag. Yeah.

We're We're on it. Mike. I'm posting in the in the GitHub back in the namespace now. munei Gomez 4321 says through pod verse. He says you guys are making so much sass. Here's some more says

Yeah. Give me some sass. Give me some sass streams stream no SATs.

He's both been 1337 leet boost through cast Matic. He says, Could you make an API endpoint that returns a JSON hash of all the bucket like things where each object has a title as the key and a sub object with the URL and a description of what it is aka something like stats URL, this description URL, this other thing? Oh, okay. That's actually an

what is that? I don't understand. So

he's wanting an A, he's wanting an endpoint in the API where he can record where you can request all the various bits of stuff that we published an object storage. They're just sort of like single downloads like a stats file is located here. The podcast, let the value provider stats page is here, that

info endpoint. Yeah, it makes

sense. I can do that. Yeah. Because I've been looking for a way to make that stuff more easily, easily findable to Yeah. They make a note of that.

Info API endpoint.

Yes. Yeah, sure. Gene that sounds like a great idea. Cole McCormick 3333 through fountain he says the wave Lake talk is interesting. I just had an interview with an artist who considered wavelike to be posting his music on the Lightning Network. Had to lay him in on the podcasting revolution noster was never a thing in my opinion. So hopefully they stopped talking about it and be a modern music host similar to pod home. Oh,

that is kind of my dream.

At just feel like honestly, with with all of the Bitcoin based companies I feel like nostra has just been a gigantic distraction of time and money.

There was a interesting interview on the power the Phantom phantom power business hour, I think and they had they had on Jay 50 fives wife, who does marketing. And it was kind of interesting, because it became more and more apparent that you know that they're really a solution looking for a problem. Yeah, and everyone sees it, you know, the Bitcoin thing is just, it's just like, you know, it opens up a wallet when

Let's liquid this liquid. You said Alex is like, it's not bringing anything new to the table. It's just the same old thing.

And so Domus has 25,000 users that download I don't know if that's active users. It feels when I look at Nasr. It feels like 5000 tops. Just doesn't doesn't feel like much of me. And then the the unique selling point is, you know, censorship resistant. Okay.

But I would argue that I would argue that activity Pub is more censorship resistant than Nasri all day long. I mean, yeah.

I would not take the other side of that argument.

Yeah, because you're right. It's because it made us centuries, like, like Alex said, is centralized HTTP. So

this age has spoken.

This age has repeated what Alex said. Gene been 111 SATs says I'm digging the sound and feel of this song. Nice find Adam.

Oh, that is that Abby again? Probably Yeah, probably. So she's already at the top of the chart.

I tried Bootsy gene, again, 2222 pieces, I tried boosting about value blocks and broke stuff because it was over 700 characters IE, here's a link to the content of the original boost, instead, you're gonna get a link to something.

Here we're gonna have there's limits to what you should be doing in boosting Graham's. He's the people who sang the same gene being is the kind of guy who sends me a one gig movie through email. Cool, man, look at it.

Gene bean has a lot to say say, I wonder I wonder if this is too long. So speaking of value blogs, what became of making an API endpoint that provides a version of my RSS feed enhanced with value blocks shown via podcast or wallet? Did we say we were going to do that? I don't

think so.

He said something about training pot home and we'd love for them to be able to import my fee that doesn't have oh, I know what he's talking. I know what he's talking about. And he's talking about like what we're having. Where for podcasts to quality if you wanted to move the splits for the old episodes wouldn't be there. Yeah. Oh, right. We're we're gonna export it out. There yeah, I forgot to do that. And I don't like this episode is hashtag Dave to do. I got home. Yes, seriously, I got

Maybe we should put that hashtag in the item. Oh, there's actually every episode.

You're right. Because every episode, my list gets longer. I think this is this is correct. It will ruin your list though. Yes, I'll just ignore it like I always do. 2022 Jacob, do pod verse. Fantastic idea to use time splits and through them direct messaging to advertisers.

Yeah, yeah, it worked. It looks like looks like pod pod news. Got more advertising just keeps on going with the with Hindenburg.

Yeah, Franco, that's Franco Celerio for cast ematic is sent 500 says he says Girls Rock.

Okay, Frank. I replied to him, actually, that showed up his reply. I replied to him in helipad. Alright, so yes, here's the 1000s That's yes they do.

You're out of control now

I'm sending money back send me money I'll send it back.

Now you're gonna you're this is just another way for you to lose first to send lots of money to people.

I love it so much fun. Franco again

15,000 SATs this time he says Love and SATs thanks Franco. Oh, and we got a we got comic strip blogger to deliver an order 34,000 new fountain he says howdy bros, David Adam. Ah, no agenda social, a little server that could until it couldn't shared memes, please. That's like saying you contributed to culture before wedding chain meals. But hey, thanks for the memories nodes into social you'll be remembered like that one song everyone skips in their

All right. CSV and we have a too late booster grams coming in from Nathan g 2222. Dave came here to build a bridge and work on phase seven. And he's all Outerbridge. Yeah.

And I've never had a bridge I've always got more bridge

and DS laughs came at DS last he's my man DS laughs He's he's in the valley verse Valley for value music little cool little bits of show mixes for no agenda. 1000 SATs he says Since leaving my corporate jobs this is the only board meeting I can sit through. Much love to the podcasters. Understandable. All

right, Lincoln sent a note in his 20,000 says that he says well regarding question for Alex forgot to edit my boost amount. But I don't see a question for Alex anywhere. Do you? Yeah, I

have it here. Hold on a second. Hold on me scroll down. Question topic for Alex. to opine on. The use of a specific boost bot has been contentious. Boy, Alex get ready. As it has been. And I know we all know Alex. I love Alex. But I know that he's right. Get Rudy Alex, the use of a specific boost bot has been contentious as it is seen as a hack and not aligned with open source and decentralization.

found on fountain boost. Some comments? Yes, I

think that's what the what is meant they could

they could publish to the activity problem. They don't. That's all there is to it. And also, if you

Oh, yeah, that's another they can do. So tell me about what yeah. Tell me about that. Alex, because you're messaging him up at the about that earlier about playlist?

Yeah. Typically, we should probably check again. But my understanding is they don't make their they don't publish their playlist as RSS feeds, which would be really easy to do. And that would allow the players to be shared across to apps.

Well, you know, what's interesting, is we're seeing both fountain and true fans kind of emerging as platforms, which I'm, I have thoughts about because, you know, there's so there's no take true fans as the example. Sam Sethi says, Oh, look, your publisher feed is here. And so I have not published anything. He has made a reasonable estimation of which shows I am the publisher of and they show up in their platform, and I can go into some back end admin and I

Oh, it's like an internal allocation believe so yeah.

Which is not correct. Really the transparency that we desire? Because I think podcast I think music playlists are going to be very big. We have a medium and we have a medium type forum. Is that music L is that a playlist? Is it music? L is that what it was? Yep. Yep, music L so publishing

could do it for clips to say yes. So they live clips. They could publish them if they wanted to.

Well, I think we should nominate you to their board. I'm gonna buy some shares and put you in as an activist investor.

Oh, that I'd have to like Master so. Wow.

will take over. Do we have any? Any one offs? David?

Yes and monthly. Definitely do. drips got $15 Big Bruce Wayne of podcasting. He's got Michael Kimmerer $5.33 Thank you, Michael Jordan. Dunnville $10. Think Jordan. Kevin Bay $3.43 from the monthly endowment fund. Yes. James Sullivan. $10. Christopher Raymer $10 Shawn McCune $20 Thank you. Shawn Cohen glotzbach $5. Michael Gagan $5 In Charles current $5 group,

very good group thank you all for supporting podcasting 2.0 The podcast is the gateway to your support for the entire project. Everything goes towards servers etc David Adam take nothing we will give away some liquidity if you need it, if you need a channel from because we definitely want to support people using other types of wallets. Just to decentralize more and more hit me up Adam at podcasts index.org and mccurry.com If you need liquidity happy to help you out

I was a little late. I started the episode 2021 Oh, really after after I sort of know genitive actually, that's kind of when I wanted to make the podcast into an oil fields. And that's kind of when I started with Dave was mostly about the alternating closure and I fixed it

Oh, I gotta fix it gotta fix what he's doing.

I mean, it's most less mostly how this goes. I have something than an Alex fixes pretty much the way this this. We

appreciate you very much brother for all all that you're doing for for the project and for podcasting because it really is you making a huge difference in the world. A lot of people take it just take it.

I just want to build the apps I want to use. So what's all this?

That's how you get the best stuff.

Sure is. Brother Dave, thank you so much. Appreciate you. And thank you both for for coming to the board meeting on Saturday. Thank you everyone else in the in the board room for being with us. And we'll have a regular regular board meeting next Friday. So please join us there. Thank you so much Gent.

Yep. Thanks, man. Happy happy. This. It's been a good week.

It hasn't been it has been a good week. Everybody. Congratulations on the progress. It has been a good Yeah,

I think Alex is right. I think it's valid. I think I think the thing with Apple was validating for for everybody in the project.

They said they said the big boys will never come in. We showed them didn't wait. See you next week on the board meeting till then adios.

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