Episode 163: Storage Power

McKesson 2.0 for January 12 2024, episode 163 storage power Hello everybody, welcome to podcasting 2.0 The second, the second of the new year and man is there a lot to talk about because this is the only boardroom that's open to

hope that didn't come through to the whole world. I hope it wasn't aggravating everybody. Oh, no, I replied to this reply. I always

have to restrain myself from saying stuff like received ignores exactly what I want to do is I want to give you a QCL report. You know, it's like a five by five. Oh, man. I have set up probably the most cool thing speaking of five by five. There's this. Yeah, no, I

tried to guess what

this okay. I guess go you'll never maybe is it technology? Yes. Technology. It's big time big time technology is starting on something on the start. No, no, no, no, the start nine is just That's my love. My love my start nine that's I have a love affair with my start nine. Now.

I don't know. I'm not gonna get it. So I

got real productive this past week because we're doing a five day fast. And immune. You get like we're just really focused and productive. So I cleaned up the studio, much to my wife delight. And

Syria. How what like, What day are you in of the five day five?

So we break dinner tonight. Okay,

so your your you're running on like 90% ketones right now.

And, and this gigawatt coffee cold brew? Well, yeah. That has been good. So and then I got really focused, and I've been been feeling for a while now. It's like, I got to get my ham radio gear set up. And I was, yeah, I was really looking for an excuse. And I've been into digital mode for a long time now. Because you can you can do stuff with just a wire out the window. I mean, the minute you know, computers are just analyzing data in the noise, right stuff you could

is that can you tell me if this? See I haven't. I haven't been certified ham since. Oh, gosh. 2004.

Your expired? Oh, what? No, no, no. Oh, yeah. You already 24 Yeah, you're

gonna expire. Yeah. So yeah, I'm expires in the last hour. Like this was back when packet was the thing is that? Yeah. Is that what we're talking about? Essentially, here's,

yeah, yes, we are. But it's because of the since 2004, things have gotten so good. That the compression technology is to the point where I think the throughput they're getting on these bands now is it's close, like 3000 baud, I guess? 3k Almost. So you could eventually do quite a bit with it. Yeah, you can, you know, send a little picture black and white. I mean, it's, it's not really recommended. But it's

like you qualify that as like presents. Yes, yes. Present? Yes.

Good one and you could you can paying someone just to make sure they're online. I mean, it's just it's cool. It's cool. You should you Well, I mean, you could consider renewing it's not that hard to get your license

has started to like three times I keep running it. I mean, the thing you got to know is focus drifts. You know,

I mean, you just you go get the test. test for this year, and it has all the answers is multiple choice. The only it just on the test itself, the answers are out of order. So you just have to memorize what the answer is.

It's literally that simple only too hard for me.

You got to know the trick. It's almost like like getting a pilot's license. It's really a license to learn how to fly. If I'm really honest about it. When I got my license, I was surprised. I'm like, really? You passed me on? Wow. Okay.

I feel like the fact that I originally get certified back when that when Morse code was a requirement that that should have grandfathered me in for life. But evidently, I agree.

And of course code is no longer a requirement. Although I love doing code I love I was up to I was probably up to like 12 words a minute at one point. Pretty good. I think it's completely lapse now.

I can't remember what are what the minimum was for the novice class when I did it. What five from it, I think was five words per minute. Yeah, yeah, cuz I think technician technician was like 10 or 12. technician class because they changed the classes. Like there's not as many classes now as there used to be

the technician is now the the I think that's the lowest thing you get general. And then you get extra. Yeah, extra. Yes. I'm in general bunny. I never went for the for the extra. The

guy that I learned from had. He was extra. And he had he had the little double paddle.

Yeah, I have that too. Yeah, sure. That Lamby paddle.

Yeah, right.

Do you hold? You hold it in a does? Repeat. Group. Yeah, that's pretty cool.

It's not it's not the same thing I could actually send way faster than I could then I could

interpret Oh, I got good at interpreting because it's like music, you know, you just start to hear it. You start to doo doo doo doo doo doo to do that CQ DX do doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo you can just Oh, I know that song. Oh, that's what it is. That makes you do doo doo doo doo doo doo doo that's my name. Wow, it's coming back.

Is I've lost all of it. Obviously the the that that was that was pretty fun. I mean, just everybody in because I did that in high school. That was my head this class and the first the first semesters is broken la two halves of the year so the unit was called this class was called consumer electronics.

Oh beautiful Hampshire that class is no longer given. Oh,

I'm sure it's gone way gone. In the first half of the class was first half of the year was aerospace. And you just went through all aeronautics and the way that you know flight works and all this stuff and space travel and everything and then the site and rocketry we built a model rocket Ah

yeah, I did that as a kid. I love model rocketry. What did you did you have a rocket.

We didn't have a Worsley but we built one and then watched it on the football field and

hooked up to the car battery and you put that yeah, explosive cartridge in there that solid fuel. And then you and you and you did a countdown you hit the button.

I mean, back when you could do things at

school? Oh, yeah. No, now it'd be deemed dangerous. Oh, we can't do that. You know, someone could get hurt. We all get

on doors back then. You remember long dark horse. Spear your brains and

everybody had one in their Shin at some point like oh man, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway. Let's see. Oh, and I was gonna say, Oh, just off the bat. I want to thank Spurlock. Oh, no, before I forget that kilo, alpha kilo, five alpha, Charlie, Charlie, if you want to reach me on bar, ac 20 meters, everybody. So Spurlock upgraded op three after listening to the last boardroom that was one of those delightful moments where I'm just beaming from ear to ear.

Uh, yeah, saw this, and I was like, Oh, you're, you're gonna be all over this.

I love it. I love it. And of course, it's just a, it's a sample data, and I'm sure it'll get better over time. And, you know, it spurred a very interesting conversation about sending timestamps in the TLV records. Um, I love all this stuff. This is good. This is really the I think you're upgrading from stuff here, you know, just by by looking at it.

Yeah. So it brought back a conversation about batching because there's a batch spec. You know, people forget that. Satoshi stream still around is still around live and kicking. Yes.

By the way, you guys gee, you should probably balance our channel because I think we're filling up I checked it the other day. If we can balance that that'd be great.

And I haven't trouble before I forget image and has so much trouble with my channel for my Umbral to podcast index. Yeah, node. I'm still having problems and what's funny is my channel to the boost. Bye It is seems seems fine, but it's over Tor but my channel Maclear niche channel. Oh really podcast indexes. It just says last line all the time it's going

on at huh?

It's just, it's over IP.

Well I saw the start nine I've had and that is not clear net that's Tor that's been rock solid from day one. The Umbral, I had all kinds of problems and I was running it over Tor, all kinds of problems and until I am this is the only data point I have until I upgraded until my connection here went from spectrum cable to the fiber five gigabit fiber. Once that happened, all those problems went away on my own bro. I've got to I'm thinking it has been clear net shouldn't

um, fiber, and basically Ethernet out of the Umbral straight into the fiber. I don't know I'm, I'm, I'm afraid I'm just gonna have to rebuild this thing.

But aren't you building a start nine? Well, that's what

I mean to build it as a start nine. Yeah, this Yeah, it just had this machine, just take the node off of my rig. You'll

be so you'll be so happy if you put it on a start nine. I mean, I'm, I mean, everyone's Results may vary due to road and weather conditions. But man, it's been rock solid from day one. You know, every upgrade has gone well knock on wood. But it's just it's been it's been. I mean, they don't upgrade the apps as quickly or or release new apps, in fact, is

hotelschool tail scale.

Yeah. And I think so humble just released cloud. You can use your Cloud Flare proxy or something. They just released an app for that. So but cloud nines hold the whole idea is no third parties, you should be able to do everything they didn't want you to use. Let's Encrypt me like you should be your own authority.

You're your own. signer. Yeah, exactly. Why SSL certificate? Yes.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, they show you how to do it, you know, how to how to how to make how to authenticate your own sign off. Yeah.

Obviously PKI the whole PKI infrastructure with the with delegated Signing Authorities and that kind of thing in SSL. I mean, in TLS world, that's all a bunch of it's all a bunch of hogwash. Anyway, like, you know, you can't You're always dependent on somebody else to vote to, like vouch for you. Yeah. Oh, my sis weird paid buddy system is

my thinking is that basically, Google can just spy on all of us. Oh, yeah. For sure. That's what I've always thought and, you know, you know, me, I've always been against HTTPS for things that don't need it. And yeah, and we just got we got bullied into it. You know, people like, man, it could be man in the middle. Oh, great. Okay, so someone's going to change the words on my blog. Alright, go ahead. I'm sure that's just fine.

Right. And, but in and then internal localhost stuff and local and load your local land. It's like, I don't care.

Yeah, exactly.

So I'm looking at our I'm looking at our stats thing, this thing that Spurlock

for our show. Yeah, yeah.

And this brings up I should probably

explain what he did here for people who don't know Yeah, go for Opie three dot Dev. Everybody can add the prefix so that you get stats from Opie three dot Deb's beautiful project. And we were talking on the last show about adding to that the ability to get the permanent stream payments from podcasting 2.0 value for value streaming payments, add that data in there, so you can get kind of because I've been using

Yeah, so this is what I'm looking at. It says 75% of listeners listened to at least 25% of an episode 60% of listeners listened to at least half and 40% of listeners listened to at least 90% 40 Yeah, yeah. Which which tells me like

tells me at some people need to be kicked off the board.

People if you can't show up to the board meeting and

you can't stay the whole ship the whole board meeting, then you shouldn't show up at all. Yeah,

it's like that one, you know, on any board. It's like that one or two guys that always are like, Hey, I'm gonna be on the road. Can I call?

I'm gonna call it exactly. In and then you know, and then those guys always somehow get off mute. And then everyone's spending their time like, hey, you know, mute to mute. can you mute? You

hear their radio and all this stuff? Yes. Road noise. Yeah, hot mic. So this, but this is back. So I listened to a little bit of pod news weekly review. Morning.

I didn't get any of it this morning. I was I was okay. In the word in the word this morning.

The so they were Sam asks this simple question that we've pondered on this show. Do people actually want real stats? Real podcasts? Tesla? No.

I don't think so. No, of course not. that would that would it would it would devastate people?

Yeah. And this is why because this show this this on this? These? Now? These are people? Who are these are the most dedicated people? I was Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because these are people streaming sets to our show. I mean, like, sending value. Yes, there's this intentional. They're the people who are going to they're the early adopters. They're the geeks. They're the most techy, and they even they, in that audience, only 40% of those people listen to the whole show.

you're unless you've been doing it for a long time like me and you know, the reality of things, you'd be really fooling yourself into thinking that people listen to the to the whole show. It I find it very helpful, because I like to look at not so much because there's always a drop off, there's always going to be a slope down to the bottom at the end of every podcast. I like seeing people come back for donation segments. And that tells me that people who

Now, I am glad that you on that front. I'm glad that you shamed me into upping my per minute stream to pot news weekly review because the DNC now I found myself bopping around in that show like I'm not, I'm just not interested enough in in the podcast industrial complex complex to listen to like a 30 minute interview with, you know, some media buyer. So I will just I will literally just get that interview here. And I feel bad because I'm like, I don't you know, I don't even

send a boost send the boost later if you feel but here's something interesting that I noticed. I did a boosted Graham ball last Saturday was good to do what I love I love doing that so much. It's just mean my schedule is just so full with things. And I don't want to just do a show I want to think about I want to you know listen to other value for value music, podcasts, listen to other people are talking about and other

Oh, so you're to my ear to my song length? Yes. Song

length. Exactly. Well, interesting.

It's just how would I get that?

I don't know how. I don't know that. That's I mean, hey, I'm just the idea. Oh,

yeah. Everybody hates the idea. Yeah. Oh, yeah. So okay, well, that's that shouldn't actually shouldn't be too hard. Because then if you look, yeah, the value time split, you just look at the start time in the in the duration in or not even start out, you should look at the duration of the value times but how long it lasts, and this sort of like, divide it to get an average,

maybe, maybe that's the way to do it. Just like that, it just seems like I just I was I was like, wow, people. It's a great song. Don't get me wrong. I mean it question

number two is will Dave ever do this? No, of course not.

Of course not. Why even bother with question number two, but just move straight to three, which is C one. Okay, maybe

we will know what we'll do. We'll talk about this 17 shows from now not remember, we talked about it. Before

we bring our guests in, I'd love to get a little update on your favorite vacation status of the index. And I'll preface that by saying that I've had incredible difficulty.

I want to thank you don't like to hear this. This is not I'm just

doing it wrong, no doubt. So what I started doing the minute you had this in place before it was was still the alpha alpha code, of course, I would go to podcast index dot social. When I'd publish, I always put I always go back, I publish. And then I put the base URL in the base posts for cross snap comments, even though it's barely used, I still I'm holding on to it. And then I would click on that post, and then copy the link and put it in as the root posts of the crossover app

It does. So here there's just like, so you're what you have always done if I'm not mistaken is that you have taken your posts if you've taken my post, yeah, because that exists before the show was published. Yeah. In the feed. So you need you need like otherwise you'd have to you'd have to publish this show then go back and change it

which I do for no agenda and all my other shows. Oh, you do? Yeah, I put I put it in his empty and the minute it's empty then. Or sometimes I just post the link on Mastodon I mean, I do that with chapters although I put in a dummy chapter and, and transcript. So I go back and then it's not been

as a plugin, isn't it. So So for example, get the feet trying to look at the feed to see what the URL for the last one was because this is the last one it doesn't go ahead. It doesn't make any sense to me, because it should work. So if you before or the way that the see the way that the way that I thought it

was? That seems to work now

doesn't Oh, how are you verifying this? I

just copied and pasted the link into my browser. But I wonder him because but it's a podcast index dot social link I don't know if you can see those if you're not logged in

what I mean those, that's what I posted. That's what I've posted before and this always worked. It's just a podcast index. Well, okay, so here's the what may be happening here is I've been working on replies all week. Okay, we noticed and thank you. I've been working on replies all week. And there was no reply capability within the bridge before. And well, I mean, there really still isn't. So the I mean, the endpoints just didn't function. The way replies work bite size.

Let me give you a data point stop. I'm sorry to stop you. All right. I logged out of podcasting. Next out social. And then I posted that link. And then I got what everybody got, which was a page of JSON.

Okay, so let me try that. And

I believe that is because if you're not logged into a mastodon server, that's what you get.

Okay, so let me log out of podcasts index dot social, because I'm gonna have to do the logout. Alright, now let me paste in. And we're talking about the podcasting, desktop social at nine to 666. Add blah, blah, blah. And the number. Yeah, okay. I hit that. Yeah. Okay.

Which is probably correct. It's probably correct. I'm saying yes.

Okay. Well, here's what, here's what's happening. Yes. Okay, this, this will be solved when I get the required.

I needed to hear maybe we don't even have to talk about it.

This is so just for clarity. What's happening here is that when you're not logged in, Mastodon appears to forward you to the referenced

Yes. Referenced post seeing that. Yep. And

then you can see there's replies at the bottom is no. Right. Okay. It's and that's why that's why it's not work. Can I

ask you one other question? Just while I'm, while I'm at it. Yeah. For the for the cross that comments, I have to add parameters, platform, and Platform account ID and then account URL for this platform. Do I doesn't matter what I put in there?

I'm not sure that it matters at this point. Okay. I mean, it would you want it to be accurate, but I don't know that. But what do I want it

to be? Well, right now I have Dave and then your, your account your URL, slash user slash Dave. Yeah,

obviously, that's not that's not actually true in this regard. Because, um, exactly, it's not my account that posted this, this thing that you're referencing, exactly. It's the account is 9200666 at AP dot podcast. index.org. That's got it. That's the account.

Got it. Got it. Got it. Okay.

But just so what I've been doing this week is trying to get a reply. Like I don't want this thing to become a general purpose AP server agreed. Right? You know, that's not in any that's not in any way valuable to us. This this but you do need it to track replies. To the extent that it can handle them back in a case like this. So that when people reply to things you can see the replies when you pull when you when you

we move it over to the other person's Mastodon instance. Yeah, right.

Yeah. Okay. So like, if you're Yeah, if you're on your on your on your instance, I'm on my instance, we both get a copy of the note that was created when the bridge sent out the episode. You reply to, to that episode, on your activity post server, my caught my server and the bridge both get a Create Event. And we record that reply. Right, then I see that on my server, I see your reply show up underneath the episode post. And

Yes. Okay, that makes sense why I wasn't seeing all the comments before. Right.

So the conversation property is like this long string, like in this regard, and like what I'm looking at right now is like tag, colon, AP dot podcast, index.org, comma, the date, object ID, blah, blah, blah, objects, it's got this long string. And that should be unique for this entire message

Dave, you had me at big blob of JSON?

It will, there is so much JSON going on with the negativity but it just makes your eyes cross. Like it really does. All those replies and replies to replies and replies to replies to replies that that's really like, what I'm doing. Every time I do that is take that take the JSON out, stick it in a sticking into an editor, and then do another one, stick it in an editor and then just start making comparisons between how are these things different wow. Oh, it just makes

appreciated brother you're doing. You're doing the Lord's work here. That's a lot of messy stuff, shall we? Bring our guests in. Oh, he's Sure absolutely. New to the to the boardroom. We're very happy to have him here. Particularly because He has created a, I'll just say a podcasting 2.0 native hosting company. He is the founder, CEO, lead developer and Customer Success representative of pod home.fm. Say hello to our friend on the other end. Here's Barry live brass.

Hey, hello. Excellent pronunciation. Yes,

but do you go by Barry or buddy?

That bear? Well, buddy in Dutch. You know? It's easy because it works in both languages, right? Yeah,

it's so it's uncanny how much you sound like Mark void zero. Oops. That he just I think I think let me see if I can restore him. Sorry about sorry about that. Barry. Oh, that was my mistake. I messed that up.

I was gonna say I'm sorry. I just can't I have no hope of pronouncing your last name.

I mean, it's just It's fine. Don't try.

What's interesting is, you know, void Do you know you know, void zero? Do you avoid zero mark? Who does a the no agenda infrastructure? No,

I have no idea. You should

meet him because you sound like brothers. It's uncanny how much you sound like it really is. Yeah. So you're in the in the Netherlands. Where are you in the Netherlands?

I'm in Breda. So that's, that's in the south of the Netherlands. Yeah, doesn't matter. It's cold cold here. Everywhere.

is purple. is Purple Rain still there. Purple Rain. When you talk there was a coffee shop.

Oh, right. Yes, that is.

You see my coffee shop man. When I was in Belgium. I drive up to Purple Rain and stock up.

Yeah. rural area or is this city or

city? No, it's just a big city. Yeah. It's a real nice actually a beautiful city. It is.

Yeah. And you know, coffee shops here are everywhere. So it's, it's not rare. Not special at all.

Right? I just I just love going there because it was run by a bunch of Moroccan dudes. And whenever it was Songkran, then I'd come late in the day. And I'd start up and like, hey, why don't you stay because they'd have the you know, after sundown than they have. Then all these dudes start cooking, which is amazing food they make it was. So first she smokes and we even like, Hey, man is good food.

That's right. These are these are Dutch coffee shops, which are different than

I'm sorry, I should have clarified. Yes. You can't actually get coffee in the coffee shops. Yeah.

No, that's a different store. Yeah.

So Barry, give us your background and how you came into podcasting. 2.0 Yeah,

so I My background is in software development. Like a lot of people listening here as well. So, you know, I started out, when I went to school, I actually started out, you know, working on electricity, as a technical engineer. And then I thought, you know, what, these computers are also pretty cool. I mean, you know, tinker with that stuff. So I went in into software development, didn't learn it in school, because you

grew up on when when when 32 or C Sharp

32 first, and then dotnet came out, but dotnet 1.0 and 1.1 revolutionary and didn't work at all. And

that's a big thing that has to load for some of our applications, right? It's like, loading dotnet framework.

With nowadays, it was so beautiful. It just worked everywhere.

Yeah, you know, dotnet still as a as a bad rap, because it is, you know, Microsoft and slow and windows and all that type stuff. But it's very, very modern. So you know, it's been around for decades now. And they kept it pretty modern. And it's very, very, very fast, very performance. So I kept on doing

You're talking about language rather.

Ain't no agenda. I love it. It keeps me sane. But I think podcasts are incredibly valuable because Even now, with all the censorship going on, this is kind of a last final medium that is uncensored ish, you know, you're bright. So you can kind of say what you want on a podcast. So you can also learn what you want on a podcast. And you can hear from all the voices out there, left, right, center, Uptown, whatever, everybody can can speak their minds, and everybody can tune into what

you know that that's so important. I think Dave would probably attest to that once he became a podcaster. himself. It changed his thinking about development for the platform for the for the whole ecosystem.

Yeah, for sure. Well, yeah, totally. It did. Yeah, you don't really see. Because, you know, I think I've mentioned this before, back with freedom controller with Adam shownotes. And that kind of think, I just always misunderstood what he needed, and what the workflow was,

critical, critical. I had a lot of misconceptions myself. Yeah.

Yeah. It just is, is important. And now like, I'm sure, Barry, now that you're running a host, you've found out a lot of stuff you probably didn't know before.

Yeah, absolutely. So you know, customers use us in various ways. And they have lots of tools in the workflow, like people use the script, or stream yard or all sorts of things that they want to plug into their workflow and make make it work with Pulte Homes somehow. So I continue to innovate every day. And that's relatively easy is still because I am Greenfield, I don't really have a lot of technical debt. So I can do

I gotta stop you there brother. I need to understand this because you know Lipson was very early in the game. I think they were probably the first full blown hosting company, and I never understood how they did it. I've never understood how they could offer what they did for the pricing that they did. Because at the time, I foolishly had started a podcast network, but had a lot of money from investors. So I was like, Oh, it doesn't matter. And I never really understood

Yeah, for 5099. Come on over. So I'm gonna give give away my secret. Now.

You don't have to if you don't if that's if that's a trade secret, that's okay. No, no, you don't have to. If

if you can google bing, bing it or whatever. good search engine, you use

Cagayan kagi.com.

That's a good one DuckDuckGo, I use, but I use Cloudflare. So a lot of people use Cloudflare. And I use Cloudflare are two buckets, which is kind of like Amazon, AWS, s3 buckets that has just a bucket that contains data, like episode data in this case. And the fun thing about our two and they haven't been doing this for long is that you do not pay for egress data. So data going out of the data center, we just pay a low storage fee and storage.

That's what Linode did until they didn't. Yeah, isn't that?

No, you're talking about?

Oh, no, not really. No, but what's the other one was Wasabi? Wasabi? Right? Yeah,

no egress fees. But then, as soon as you get over a certain amount of gigabits of egress per month, you get a phone call. And they the phone call is we don't like you anymore. Yeah.

That was the phone call or upgrade

to our undocumented Pro Plan. Where we allow you lots of egress, and you pay us for it.

Yeah, well, then still is if there, if that is the case, and I don't believe that is the case, then still, there will be a free base, you know, like an amount of free egress that you can use every month, right? And then it will still be fine. But that really is a game changer. Because egress is can be extremely expensive. If you do that with a traditional thing like Azure, or AWS, this is a killer. This

is just some history. The no agenda, RSS feed has members putting a lot more information there are put forward still has a lot in there. I'm trying to think. I mean, I was putting full show notes in there all kinds of stuff. Anyway, Dave has always managed all of my all of my stuff. Because at the time the feeds were being created by the freedom controller, which is now a sovereign feeds. And and my s3 Bill, what was it Dave like 700 800 bucks a month it was

Yes, if what, what we're doing right now is Lint is yes, lint is Cloudflare in front of Linode. And so the the Linode thing as you can get with every VM, you get a certain amount of x of egress. So they're and they're very generous with their egress. So we set up I set up a VM, a decent size VM on Linode with running Mineo or Minaya so it's basically self hosted Buck s3 buckets. And then we use the egress that the VM comes with, to basically out to cover what's going to Cloudflare and then let

And it's worth it's worth talking to to avoid zero because He set us up a long time ago on ova H and I'm not sure exactly how he did it, but we have three or four different servers and if And colos that that are on the OVA H Network. And we've been paying, I think it's, I mean, it's five $600 a month for the longest time. And we've been added, you know, big secret, but all of the IPFS stuff is basically all running off off with the no agenda infrastructure, because that's

Yeah, no, definitely. And I do have backup plans as well, if this doesn't work, because I do not want to be, you know, tied to just one single point of failure. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, the same as with the whole AI thing. Like I have this brought home AI, that's the thing that does it automatically, right, it creates transcripts, or you can

explain that, cuz you graciously gave us accounts. Now be honest, I have not taken advantage of that to look at it can be so as a podcast, you come in, you upload your show how much is automatically created on pod home? Yeah,

so you hit the big new episode button, you upload your audio and you flip the switch, hey, I want to use port home AI. You know, that's a catchy name, because everything is AI, right? And then you can say, Well, what do I want? I want transcripts. I want chapters. I want a title ideas and a description. So show notes. I want to detect people and try and generate some clips for me as well. Some interesting outtakes, in the form of sound

gamifying the whole gamifying the hosting business. I like that

fun because it's difficult to be a podcaster and to keep it up right. So you need some encouragement. Yeah. And I want to add some real value to that as well. Like, you know, actual discounts to to your monthly bill, for instance. But yeah, anyway, so I was trying to generate these badges like, hey, create a round thing for me that says, great podcast or something. And he kept getting it wrong. You just cannot do it. Yes. So

that's so very, I saw that you I saw that you have on your trial sign up. Do you have a requirement to put in a credit card? Is that intentional to keep the spammers out?

Yeah, definitely. And use also for my internal workflow as well. Yeah.

So because that's a huge problem is such a huge problem with free trials. You know, that, you know, I know that rss.com and Buzzsprout. And I know that they've, they've really just struggled with almost a struggle. I mean, they they deal with it, but like it's just constant battle with these, with these spammers that are always trying to game those free

Yeah, I think I cater to a different audience as well. So I can cater to people that really want want to create something of quality, right. So they are probably more willing to, to pay up the 5099 per month for unlimited podcasting. And I get it, you know, like Buzzsprout, for instance, you sign up for free, you can have a free podcast, if you like, until you run into a threshold or something, you can just just have that there. But you know, that will just create lots of

impressed actually, you have a very unique combination of technical skills, obviously, but your marketing and your I really enjoy, you know, just looking at the at the site, and, you know, you have a separate path for, for artists for value for value music. It's just, that's the unique combination, I would say usually, even in startups, you'll see two guys, right? You see a technical guy and the marketing guy, Amin, and you seem to be both in one where's that come from?

Which is I don't know, I've, I've been doing online courses and stuff for a decade now. Which means, you know, talking to a microphone and creating materials, like slides and pictures and stuff to explain things or basically explaining things in in image and in words, that perhaps it comes from there. And through that, I also needed to market myself, of course, in that world, as I call myself as your Berry, you know, just to make it easy so that I don't have to use

yeah. When I when I say marketing, I mean, just the website and all that stuff. The onboarding path, those are all good. I mean, you got that down. I think that's, that's really impressive.

Yeah, what mediums do you support very, is it just podcasting in podcasts and music right now? Or do you have other like audiobooks and that kind of

thing? Podcasts? Well, everything that's currently supported in the index are in the space. So that's podcast, music, audio book. And I also added course, because I have a couple of courses that I just want to upload there as well. Although it's no official thing. And I don't think any apps are actually using it, but at least it's you know, semantically then it's correct.

One of the big things I found Well, the two main things that people choose podcast hosts are, the two criteria they choose it for is a customer service, which you know, obviously you're small, you're one guy, so this is going to be stellar, above and beyond, I'm sure. And the second one is statistics, which is, you know, a current topic that we've been talking about, how do you handle that?

So statistics? Well, first of all, I am never going to get IAB certified and not because I'm not doing it.

You wouldn't nobody else.

Probably, I just don't want to, I'm not going to pay that fee. I think that's ridiculous.

Well, you're what I'm saying is like, you're not you're not alone. Now nobody's paying the fee. Everybody's bailing?

I think, yeah, I think it's helpful to have something that everybody uses kind of the same way to measure it. Right? That's helpful. But still, it's very difficult. Because first of all, these things are just not downloads, and any information that you get from a request is just not very reliable, you know, IP addresses, where did they come from? Who knows? I use a VPN all the time I switch countries all the time. I have devices that run on IP six that change their IP address quickly.

I you have that as an option in your dashcam for mp3.

Well, not in the dashboards, but you can just, you know, in your show settings, you can just check a box, and then I add to Opie tree, a prepayment to your, to your URLs for your episodes, and then automatically all your data also shows up in there. So that's very easy to do. And lots of customers actually do that as well, which is very good. Good to see. But yeah,

you know, think I'm glad that the IB stuff, honestly is is I mean, I don't wish it on anybody. But I'm just I'm glad that that is beginning to crumble. Show cracks? Because shouldn't be honest. I mean, shouldn't that shouldn't the entire IB spec, just be a GitHub repo? Yeah. Why are we why are we do they mean was this? It was

not just the one time fee? It's an ongoing percentage.

Yeah, yeah. The whole thing just seems like completely unnecessary.

They have they have to fund the certification process, which requires someone diving into a company's logs. And yeah, you know, that's, that's what it is. And the business model is Nielsen. You know, you pay Nielsen to be to get Nielsen ratings. What was the other one the online? The online system everybody was using for a while for blogs and everything? Oh, my God, I can't remember. Yeah,

no, no, like this, you know that that whole system is based on the fact that airwaves in spectrum is inaccessible to any to, to everybody without, without going through a government auction to purchase is, it's basically the, the, the barrier to entry into the market of cable and broadcast television is, is too high, and nobody can do it. So but when you're when you have an internet based system, then you have, you can have a huge company like Buzzsprout, and

No, I totally agree. And, like you say the proof is in the pudding. So the customers will figure it out by themselves as well and can now also compare to OB tree, for instance, and then easily see if it's, if it's correct or not. This

kind of brings us back to what what you were talking about earlier with Sam Seth, he was asking on, on pod news weekly review. Once the Nielsen ratings really went to actual data. So it used to be diary based, you know, you fill out a diary, what you listen to, and you'd have Nielsen homes, there's a great movie about that, by the way where the mob. The mob produces a television show. And then they send all of

you don't you don't want to see the real numbers like it because they're depressing and even for big shows the number the numbers are not what you think they are answered in the IB. Like if my big issue is that the IB can say they can they can create all the standardized metric standard standardized algorithms they want. But when all of a sudden one app makes a change, and everything goes down by 20%, it shows you that the whole thing is built on. On garbage. Yeah,

that was that was kind of unfortunate event. Yeah,

I mean, like, it's something happens. It's not even the 20. No, everything's down 20 24%. Across the

board. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Be careful, because you don't want the wrath of Todd. That That didn't happen to blueberry. Okay. Their stats are superior, which I don't doubt which I don't doubt will

if everybody's a be certified. If everybody's I'd be certified in an every host is going bound down by Weird, radically different amounts, then this all silly. I mean, the whole thing's goofy. It should just the download the algorithm algorithms for measuring stairs should just be a GitHub repo with a bunch of interested people there who are don't who are who have the interest to get to donate their own time to get

dream on brother. Dream will never happen. That

will happen. It absolutely I disagree. It will happen. But it's as it's happening right now. Nobody's renewing. Renewing everybody will just

take that over to be a GitHub repo. Take that back. I take that back.

Yeah. I think everybody's tired of it. Well,

I'd love op three, op three makes me happy. Give me a night. I never looked at stats, all I cared about is can I pay the rent. And now it's interesting to know, just for me, Okay, I'm getting this many people who are supporting with value for value, the treasure part because a lot of people support with time and talent, which is absolutely equatable to money. And so I can see that percentage, that's important to

Yeah, absolutely. And so with the analytics, you know, you have to think about what's the use of even showing analytics to users, right, and you hit it on the head right there. So it's it's motivation, like is somebody actually listening to this stuff? And then you can have some extra things oh, people are listening in five countries in 10 countries that's so exciting. And something actionable so what are they listening to? What what is what is resonating with the

Well if you're gonna if you're gonna make it through podcast winter, you know, if in this industry, I think the companies that make it through podcast winter are going to be

Yeah, and I'm happy to be able to, you know, use all of your good work to make the listening experience better, because that's what it's about, right? So when people have transcripts and chapters, and that works across all apps, then the listening experience becomes better. And that's also why I chose to adopt all these features and tags.

It also, and what's what I find beautiful about this is now just some history for people who don't know, but the the podcast ecosystem had become the podcast industrial complex and was frozen, it was completely frozen, because hosting companies would say, Well, you know, if Apple's not going to do anything, then burn them, we're not going to do it, we're not going to add any features. And everyone would be I would be pleading with Apple and Apple had no intention of

But it makes it a value, it makes it a valid ecosystem. You know, because that because there's things when we, when we run with scissors and do something that's really nuts, that then it takes, it really is only going to be somebody like a one man team that is going to be able to to to risk to handle the risk of doing a thing like that. And

not only that, but to get artists who take risk. Yeah, like Yeah, and then to see all these different teams come together like on the the Minneapolis concert. I mean, exactly, as you said, and oh man, this is so good. This is good, rich discussion. This is the essence of podcasting. We all got really caught up in money. And, and in, you know, monetizing and growing your show and then you know being number one, and that's not it at all. What it is, is being look, I've

Yeah, and so value attracts value, right. And so what you guys are doing

well, I gotta write, like, I write that one down, there's a t shirt is. So

So you created two methods that can create more value for podcasters. Right? Because when they add all of this extra metadata that wasn't there before, with just Apple, then the listener gets more value out of it. It's that simple. And then they can also provide you with value true value for value and other means as well. But but that's the whole circle, right? It's all just providing extra value. And so I'm very happy to add things in bolt home, that add value to

you did you? Did you say earlier that your AI product is helping create the person tags?

Yeah, yeah. So it can detect which people are speaking. But it tries. It doesn't do that on voice, by the way. Not yet, at least. And I probably won't do that. Because that means I need to store that information as well. That's a bit of a privacy thing. But But yeah, it, it tries to detect which people are speaking. If it can, if it can try and suggest that to you, I

use for my trend, I really would love to use something else. I'd love to get my money to somebody else by use otter.ai. And the only reason I still use it is because it now I had to tell it which which speaker but the speaker's names were I really wanted the transcripts to have the name because there was at least one app pod friend, as far as I know, that does something really fun with Speaker names and so on pod friend. When I'm talking there's my head pops up and a

Yeah, no, this is surprisingly fast, actually. But yeah, so when you identify who says what, because you get you get a little snippet of audio. And you're like, oh, that's Adam. Okay, so that's Adam, Adam curry. That's the person call. And then it's puts that in the in the transcript and also in, I added transcripts in in JSON and an HTML and also an SRT in there as well. Because some apps just use that. Or maybe you want to download to SRT or VTT, for YouTube, if you want to go there.

But you can well, this is great. So maybe I'll just switch from otter AI to pot home AI and just use it for the transcripts. Yeah, you can take a look, I'd much rather pay you. And it's about the same. In fact, I think I pay more for otter than the 1599.

Yeah, and pull the home AI is unlimited, just like everything, everything else. So you're not bound to an amount of hours per month.

So are you using Azure on the back end for that?

No, I I started off with that. But you're

very Azure. You're very, very Yeah,

I know. I know. And they have, you know, open AI services on Azure. And all sorts of other stuff. Ai stuff on Azure as well nowadays. How long

does it take? It's expensive, though.

It's expensive, but it's also very gated. So whatever you put in there is filtered censored and ooh, you said a bad words. Now I really don't turn anything. Yeah, just AI

the AI world is going to suck so bad. Vanilla. So how long does it take on average for an hour of audio to do the transcript with Speaker names? If you pre if you tell if you teach it the speaker names.

You cannot teach it the speaker names yet. So what it takes about two minutes for hour of audio to get a whole transcript and the rest of it back chapters and all that.

So when it detects people, what do I get in the in SRT file?

So when it is done, then you go to your episode settings and they have a people tab and then it says, Hey, we found these two people. Is that correct? You need to confirm if that's correct. Once you do that, then I stick it into the transcript and into the s So T and everything else,

do you have to do that every

time? Yeah, for now? Yes. But I'm working on a solution for them.

Okay. Yeah. Cuz, because I just basically have, you know, seven names or whatever. And so your yours is not in my database. But now we'll put it in the next time you come on, it'll detect you.

Yeah, right. So so that is actually actual speaker detection based on my voice and or your voice. And that's the fancy way to do it. And very complicated, as well as I don't need to store that information, which I really don't want to do. But I can, but I, there's easier solutions as well. That's

why I'm excited, I'm excited, two minutes would be great. Because, you know, that's one of those things that always have, it's, that would save, believe me, when you save me time, you are my friend forever. So creating. So here's my

Yeah, yeah. And nowadays, we can I think I use the same back end server as fountain does because they are also super quick with their transcripts. Okay, bad tech. Look. Try it

out. Yeah. Forget what are they use it? What was the company there?

I think they're using the same thing. And it's deep Graham.

dB. is so fast. Oh,

it's great. It's great for transcript is phenomenal.

Languages.

Yeah, that's That's right. I think. I think Nathan is using that for steno as well. Or? Yeah, yeah. That's he was because he does his remember, he his was just as fast as fountain. Yeah, that's a great they will What would you like to see Barry in? In Phase seven of the namespace? Is there. Is there anything that you're going to give you more work high on anything that you're really, really chomping at the bit to see?

This basically two things. So a very, I got my pen, I'm reading a very good deduplication process.

Yeah,

it's a difficult thing. And, and, of course, cross as AP comments, I would really love to offer that as well. So if I can grab that from somewhere and show it to people in one centralized place. That'd be awesome. Okay, yeah. So this interaction with your with your listeners, right. Okay. Do you

also give give each podcast their own homepage? Yeah.

If they want. Yeah. Yeah, flip a switch. And then I generate a bolt home websites,

because I've been using, I gotta give props to pod page, which is also just a one a two man operation. And yes.

Dave? No, I lost you for a second. Oh, no.

I was saying, I want to give props to pod page, because they've been, they've been adding 2.0 features. This is really cool. Now in the I think chapters are starting to show up. And you know, because that's just what I use for I've been using that I like to know that a small independent company. And I think that's very undervalued the value of having having your homepage like booster Graham ball. Now. I'm horrible at design. And I can't even make something that has

I want to so that's why I have all these bells and whistles, right like a porthole websites just to make it easy, as easy as possible for you. So that you don't need to do any I don't know, get a Squarespace thing or Aqua server or know anything about that. You can just start it.

Do you have a registration of domain names through there as well? Or how does that work

a couple of your custom domain to it if you want and otherwise it will be an address that I generates. It's a simple website that looks okay and it looks nice on on mobile as well. And the fun thing is you can see your transcript on there and it will highlights what is being goes along nice, nice, nice and also chapters as well. And they do the same thing as well. So whenever you're in a chapter you can see all right,

the one thing that I found incredibly useful. Now I've been generating my show notes in XML for ever since freedom controller I guess I would my throat. And this enabled people to create search engines, I have to say, yes, if you look at Bing it.io, which Dino put together, sir Dino De anonymous, being able to go to a search. And of course, there's also the transcript search that Steven Bell put together, I use

Yeah, that's, well, now you mentioned it. So I also have pen and paper here.

Yeah, that's, that's boardrooms all about brother. Yeah, that's,

that's a cool feature. And thinking out loud. That would be an awesome feature. If I could make something like that, across all podcasts that I host that then have transcripts. Right. So you go for something and then something shows up. And you can immediately listen to it. Yeah, yeah. Okay, on the backlog.

So I know you have a full time job. Are you working towards making this your full time? Occupation?

This is my full time. Occupation. Oh, is this full time? Oh,

I thought I thought last time I thought when I heard you on like pod news weekly review. You still had a day job?

No, no, that might be some somebody else. So. So like I said, I make my money with online courses. Stingray. Okay. Yeah. And those things, you know, those are separate from the effort that I put in them a long time ago. Sometimes I need to update them. That's true. That doesn't cause thought that's

like an ongoing revenue that you get from that stuff. Exactly. Yeah. How do I get into that? I like that sounds. Give me some work, man. Let me narrate some stuff. That's what I'm good at.

Yeah, so so that provides me with time to make stuff like this. So I'm doing this full time. I've been doing this full time now for a year, and then some

Wow, congratulations. And that's great. Yeah.

So if I do as well this year, then hopefully, I get enough revenue from both home as well.

You won't have to be a prostitute. And the rest of the time, that's exactly what it is selling weed out of the trunk of your car. Nice. Wow, that's great. Man. I'm so I'm so happy for you. That's fantastic. That's what a success story. I love it. And

it also means that I do not need to take any VC money or stuff like that. I really do not want to beautiful and to do that. You're just fully bootstrapped. And all I have is time I can only go up.

Yeah. And what is your what is your technology stack look like it at pod home? Is that? Is that a Microsoft stack? Or what is that?

Yeah. Yeah, Microsoft stack. So I'm very comfortable with that. You know, so I run it on in Azure as well. So it is ASP. Net blazer for those of blazer. Interesting. Yeah, it's very interesting, because that means that I can do HTML and C sharp in HTML, basically, which is just amazing. For me, as a developer. I use lots of Azure functions as background processes that do lots of stuff like imports and process media, kick off other things, AI all that type stuff. Wow. Yeah, just

pretty I'm pretty sure you hold the distinction of being the only Microsoft stack and all the podcasting if I had to guess that's a wild guess. But I think I think that's probably a safe

Yeah, man. Yeah, don't you be like the cool kids and use rust?

No, no.

No, just use what what what's the most comfortable thing for you and where you're most productive in and that's for me, that's C sharp and Microsoft stuff.

Now, I love C sharp, C sharp is basically you write part of Ebro. If you don't know the name of something, you just write part of it and then you just hit Tab 800 times until you find that C sharp. If any of you any of you Still confused, add a dot and do it and hit Tab again.

Well, I much better than JavaScript, if you just type something in, you know, it seems to work and then it breaks down into browser. It doesn't exist or

like me just go to chat GPT and say, Hey, build this for me and Bin Python. And then it does something that doesn't work. Okay, it never works. rarely, rarely does it? Does it work out of the box? Rarely. But

I must say, you know, we can this AI all we want, but I use GitHub co pilots. And that is basically Chet GPT. But then, in developer mode, and it just helps me a lot with, you know, thinking about things. I

know, people swear by it. I mean, when it comes to language, I'm all about the LLM. That's definitely I mean, there's things that LLM is do very, very well. Oh, yeah. But this whole idea of the machine is going to think and it's going to eat the world now. I don't think so.

No, but it can be a great helper for stuff like this techspace stuff. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah,

logic, language construction is very good. One of my favorite things to do is look at Bible scripture. You couldn't give it a concept. And you know, it has so many different versions of this of these texts, that it finds all kinds of stuff, and it can write entire sermons. It's super interesting. But language. Yeah, when it comes to language, it's not bad at all.

I'm just go ahead does do a good job there, or does it hallucinate stuff?

Well, that's a good question. Because I'm sure you know, that's interesting. I think there's so much written that it doesn't have to, I think the hallucination that happens when it doesn't have an answer, or it doesn't have doesn't have the data.

It doesn't reference the book of third Moses.

That will be awesome, wouldn't it? Yeah. Rewrite Revelation where it's all good. Okay. So yeah, no, I'm but I have to continue to dis AI, because I just don't see the business model. I mean, you pay for a co pilot.

Yeah, but they are, apparently they're losing money. Like, they must

be that it's the overhead of running it. I mean, I run I have 11 LLM or my start nine, which is a lot of fun. But I can just see what it takes.

It takes a lot of compute power. Yeah.

And if if you want to, so there's like an 11 gigabyte model. And that that just takes a lot more to, then it's slower, it's just slower, because you know, the box is limitations. So be as a trade off, if you want something quick down and dirty, then you need to go for like a two gigabyte model. But you know, your results may vary.

But this will be a very temporary thing. So this is it's still extremely new, right, since that this has been actually working as a consumer product. So I believe that in the years to come, this will be very cheap to run. And then they can make lots of money. And we all are in the door already. So they're selling us already making us dependent on this stuff. Well, the thing

I'm skeptical about not to belabor this, turn this into an AI podcast, but Google, you know, Google has a very successful advertising model. That's their core business. That's what they do. It's $40 billion a year. And I don't see how you shoehorn AI functionality into they they spent so much money on optimizing their whole DNA is this took 0.3 seconds to get this answer. That's their entire DNA. And they have to completely and they've been doing this.

Yeah, I could show us doing that now as well, their own AI chip. Right.

Right. And that was probably part of their deal. You know, they have a built in consumer and that that's where the money is. And my prediction is, it's all going to pivot to qubits. Everyone's going to be like, well, you know, we can't really make much money we're gonna do quantum and quantum computing.

But by the time by the time that this stuff gets cheap enough to run it at scale, it will also be the the hardware will also be capable enough to run the a 24 to 2436 Gig LLM on your hardware. Yeah. And then at that point, you just run it locally, and you don't need to scale anyway. So that's you, because you if you can ship an LLM as an just in the OS, there you go. There, you just don't even need this. You don't need Azure anymore. So

well, they will start, they will work as hard as they can to protect that. Please see the executive order that our president sign you. It's all about that it's all about blocking off and protecting the incumbents. Yeah.

Well, we'll see I am looking into running my own thing in the future, so that I'm not dependent on any third party services. So but but let's see. We'll see how it goes. It evolves quickly, please.

Well, Barry, it's, it's been cool to have you in the boardroom. Ma'am. This. As I said, I'm just delighted and overjoyed at your success. And, you know, as I call you, you and RSS blew up. It does. Yeah, your, your, your 2.0 native companies. And that's very exciting. It really is. And I look forward to more, you know, some more of the stuff that you

Sometimes I see a chapter title from Drib. And it just makes me laugh.

I know. I know. That and the humor. That's the one thing humor is going to be very difficult. People using AI for humor is right now is the killer app. I mean, did you hear that? You hear the Bill Gates.

Ai I had. Yeah, that was awesome. I don't

know Dave, did you hear it? You haven't heard it? No, I didn't hear some of this only 30 seconds.

I'm here in Dubai. And of course I flew in on my private jet. Very, very important meeting. The issue of you peasants eating bugs will be discussed at length. That's never gotten the attention it deserves the issue of COVID-19 not killing off enough poor people and my vaccines not weeding out the rest of you bastards, which is a tragedy of course. We'll talk about using killer robots next chat absolutely solve that problem.

That's the best the killer app of AI right now is using it for comedic purposes. But it can't come up with the jokes itself.

Yeah, see dread drab on the last show when we talked about Gilmore Girls. His his chapter title was pod the pod sage visit Stars Hollow like that's just beautiful. Yeah. This the AI is not gonna there's not going to help you

with it. No, you can't replace it. Shall we? thank a few people. Dave. I'm going to look at the booster grams that have come in. I think people have been so engrossed in the conversation there's been very little boosting going on. Which is not a problem. But I will read what I have hard hat 3333 That was 19 minutes ago and then before that, it was one

Yeah, we've got we have no no one off papers this week. But we do have some boosts we got 33 333 through from Dred Scott. Thank you. Director yo Catherine dribs says howdy David Adam and Hi there podcast listeners. I'd like to invite you to check out and subscribe to CSB dot lol which features hilarious cartoons just ever to head over to see his beat up lol and get ready to laugh. Drib

Wow. This is interesting. Marketing CSB has gotten dragged to promote him. I love it.

Or CSB is pretending to be Drib which could also be

doesn't seem like his style.

It doesn't. It doesn't but it is very it's still part of technically possible. Yes. Thank you Jerry. Via 5000 sunsets through fountain he says, wasn't listening live. So I don't know if anyone was awake. But I for sure enjoy the rest talk. The unwrapping sounds like tagged unions for kids, which is great love to hear traditional imperative coders get slowly feature by feature sucked into the magical world of functional programming.

Yes, I'm glad I could participate in that conversation.

I feel you're a big fan of functional programming.

It's one of my favorites. I mean, you know, besides tabbing 1000 times to get to the right answer and C sharp, it's yeah, I'm all about the functional thing. Yeah.

And don't forget dots mean, dots. Yes, mere mortals podcast 2222. Through fountain he says, a car and he says I'm focusing a lot more on Convos. Again, and especially those involved with value for value. Are there any questions or themes you would like to hear? Where you think are lacking from the general Convo would love your thoughts go podcasting?

First of all, Podcast. I'm sure I don't know. Barry, you got anything that you that you'd like as a combo topic? I don't know. I mean, I'm not sure I'm I'm always delighted by the surprising conversations that you have Kyron so I haven't No, no demands.

I would love to hear a devil's advocate. I would love to hear some ever ever serial back and forth about it. I don't think it'll work and then showing that it does.

Yeah, we need more adversity online was not enough. Yeah,

no, that's okay. I forget it. Forget it. Take it back. Take it back. Cut that out in post? I don't think so. dribs got 12345 There Kira Castro. He says, Boo Steen. See the nonnamous 5000 sets the pod verse. He or she says reply addresses and boosts now awesome. If we could one day replace email with booster grams. Yeah, that's Hey,

I'm ready for the replies man, I am ready for it. We'll get there eventually.

Eric pap is banging his head against it. He's he's working on it. Yeah,

I know is my guy doing all that and how LeapPad is such a beautiful product. It's it's like I use it all day long.

another shining example of my, my fantastic UI style skills. It's

actually one of your better UI.

Because I know what you're trying to compliment. It's actually not a customer. What do

you mean that was a compliment? If you've evolved board

bugs with Sharpie on it is what that is.

It's very functional. I like it a lot. And ever since you taught me how to import a CSV file into Excel to create a Pivot Table. My life has never been the same. It's just beautiful. Baby

this dress looks makes it look fast. No, you look very functional.

Wow, I'll try that tonight.

Sir Brian of London 21 948 YO YO THROUGH cast ematic he says the tone of this message has been checked by AI and verified, friendly and supportive. You know,

I got a lot of people commenting on that. Then when we ran comments, your blogger through the through chat GPT Okay, people love that. There were people like trying to automate it, you know, so they can have a sub commentator Blogger account. Like when he when he when he when he posts something that would create a a mirror of him speaking nicely. As be ad

friendly, CSV. That was great. It was great. Phantom power music 10,000 says through true fans, he says market Ainsley Costello please. Oh,

yes, I need to give an update. I had the conversation with the $30 million dollar media company guy. Okay. And he did not understand that all what I was talking about, although we are under he, I mean, we got into he gave me his vision, which I understand. And I said, Well, you know, I think it's, I don't think it's a good idea to put money into content creation, that's a good way to spend all

He has a nice term

now as in tipping.

Oh, and dagger to

the heart. And yeah, that did hurt a little bit. But I will continue to do My best to promote value for value and all I really want is I want a media company to market existing shows products services apps that are in our ecosystem. That's my mission and I continue to be on it and the combo has been opened.

Nicholas besides 5822 to 22 through fountain says great episode even three months later Oh heat This is in reference. This is a boost for episode 150 Wow He says I'm catching up greetings from Switzerland.

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All right, paying people to listen, that's interesting. It's

becoming an ETF. It's like a CSV ETS. Yeah. Yeah.

Basically what he is we got some I was gonna say, late to Lake live booster grams come in from Dred Scott 45678 Beautiful drip. Thank you appreciate that. Also a 4567 from Dred Scott. He says love you to Adam. And here's one for here's one for Barry. Nathan G. 2222. Love to hear your thoughts on a dedicated podcasting 2.0 services for HLS live streaming. We didn't even talk about we didn't even talk about the about live and lit stuff. In video. Barry want to get together?

I do. So I have this, like backlog thing I used to do lists. I don't know if you know that, that it's like a to do thing. What's it called? To Do List to

do it, I loved I love these types of things. I'm gonna write that down. That's why I store

my whole life in if it's not in there, I don't do it. That's it's that simple. I forget it. So I have this list of backlog in progress, bugs, and chips. And so on the backlog, there is life item that is in there. And it is getting close to going into in progress. So I really want to do that. Because I also want to create a live show. That's basically that's the motivation, basically, I really want to do

that's it. So the budget copy and pasting. Yeah, yeah. So I want

to create, indeed, natively within bolt home so that you don't have to leave bolt home to actually do that. And that means providing, indeed a streaming service, and server. So I'm thinking about that, but it will come definitely and definitely this year. Yes. Okay, cool.

I mean, I think I think that's a big one, and a big different differentiator to have the actual streaming service. Yeah, available. I think that would be huge. And there's so many cool things. I mean, the one thing that I'm still looking for, just as just throwing it out there. So I have I have my own stream. It's actually offline right now, I think, but my own stream and I just put a whole playlist in

That's the idea. No, but yeah, but yeah, that is, it is a good idea. And I am thinking about it. And that will this year it will be audio only? Yeah, sure. Yeah.

i That's the best. That's the best way to develop any features when you the one there when when you want it for yourself, because they know build it? Well. Right. True. True.

And I know people want video because they want to be on YouTube or something. I don't want to be on YouTube, because I just get censored anyways. But but that's what I know is a video or I do think video has a place, you know, at least for discoverability. And the youngsters are all watching the videos badly. So I will probably add video capabilities as in you can just upload video, if you have it. And then I will extract the audio from there as well process it and do all the fancy

if long term storage power. That's a great,

that's a good title. Actually, I was looking at big blob of JSON, but I think storage power is better storage way storage powers just as a storage power,

though. There it is. You know, we get some monthlies we I don't want to forget about him. Yes. Got Chris Callen. $5. Terry Keller, $5. Mitch from pod verse $10. Thank you, Christopher hyperbaric $10 Thank you, Chris. Lauren ball. $24.20. Thank you, Lauren. Basil Phillips $25. Thank you basil and pod verse $50. Thank you, Mitch and Kreon. Yes,

thank you all very much. This is value for value. I keep forgetting. It was it was a chat F who did our numbers for the past three years.

I can't Yeah, yeah. Can I want to talk about that? I've got that on my list. List. It's just me and you next week. Let's talk about that next week. Okay,

good. Because that, definitely, but I love value for value value for value was so the way to go. As long. What do we have now? We have 5000 people listening to the show.

Oh, in op three knows, like 8000?

Oh, 8000. Okay, that's our total audience.

8617 in December. Nice.

Nice. Okay, we'll talk about that next week. And but in the meantime, 40%

of them are listening right now I

know. I know, it's that last 10% No one's listening right now. Just true. Value for value, go to podcast index.org. Down at the bottom of the page, there are two big red buttons. One is to take you to tally coin, where still nobody is sending us any on chain Bitcoin. Maybe because of the fees or whatever. But I'm glad we did it. Not since the 27th of October. The other one is for your Fiat fun coupons through PayPal, we appreciate that as well as long as his value for

Yes, very much for for having me on. And just as a final thing. I know nobody's listening anymore now. Yeah. So it's the perfect time to say this. Yes. Just if you go to pot homebuilt FM, and you sign up, use the promo code, go podcasting, go podcasting

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