Episode 162: Unwise Unwrap

By casting coupon over January 5 2024, episode 162 UHNWIs unwrapped. Well, well Well hello, everybody. Welcome to 2024 Welcome to podcasting. This is the official board meeting of podcasting. Forget any other show. This is where

was frantically typing there in moving crap around on my screen. I didn't want to make a bunch of noise. And live troubleshooting the AP bridge.

Oh, boy. Yes, yes. For those who were not listening live. We, we we were waiting for that. We've had some problems with the Fetty with the fediverse bridging as a few a few issues.

What I'm going to do so you got you got the live pod thing went out? Yes. They

went out because we saw it come to the boost the live bot. Yeah. Got it.

I got it on my phone. We

are live and live. Hello, everybody. Hello, Sam Sethi in the UK. Hello. Got your red wine. He's drinking. We've driven him to dream.

We tend to do that with most mate most people

have to drink when they listen to us. Yes, I know.

Yeah. If you're recovering, don't don't listen to the show. You will fall off the wagon. So it's funny, by the way, whenever you send the live pod thing out, all the apps START push notification group is like

I have Yeah, I had to turn a couple of them off. Because it was it my screen was getting too crowded. You know, it was getting making me anxious. Like, oh, I wake up in the morning. There's a whole row of things. Now of course, subsequently, I sometimes miss the new media show, ping which is a bummer because I love interacting with those guys live. That's always hilarious.

Let's see. Okay, so I'm gonna do I'm gonna ping the hub right now because there's gonna be so we know the podcast. The excuse me, the pod ping live notification went out. Because we got that and in the podcast live bought, picked on activity pub picked it up. I

got notifications here.

Because so I'm going to do C pub dot podcast index.org/pub Notify ID equal nine to 0666. Yeah.

What is up with the 666 ID man that's irritating. That that was just chosen for us at random by

No, we're being stalked by dark buysafe we have a we have a booster gram from satan today as well. So we're gonna

see live. So what Dave is doing if you're new, we are working on fed defying the podcast index, which means that you can actually follow podcasts, any podcast in the index from any Mastodon account or anything that speaks activity pub, which is cool, because it basically is built the biggest podcast app in the world. Just the way I see it. And there's all kinds of groovy things we can do with it, which the only

Oh, this this is the alpha test of alpha software at this point. I mean, it's barely hanging together.

And it's funny how how I get used to just okay, it's working good. I'm putting it into my production flow. We're rockin and rollin.

That's why I've rolled this out to you because you break the heck out of everything.

It's my job. It is my absolute job.

It's an absolute you're a hammer. It's not coming through. This is this is aggravating.

Is it? Is it in the inbox, though? Is in the inbox? The

inbox?

Yeah. Well, that's

the Oh, you mean the outbox? Yeah, that's

what I mean. Yeah. Okay, one guy's outbox is another guy's inbox. Okay. Matter of looking at looking at things.

See, outbox? I don't know. Let's check, because

that's, that's what happened last time. Someone said, Oh, look, it's in the outbox. So it seems to be like some kind of signing issue. How about that? How about that?

This would not be in the outbox, typically, because

I had posted no agenda and it wasn't showing on the Fed. Reverse, but it was in the outbox.

Yes. So Okay. Well, here's. Yeah. It's not in now, but this would not be in the outbox because live the live notifications do not go into the outbox.

There's a bridge to the bridge. That's take it to the branch.

It says we're bridge or bridge and bridges. Okay, gotcha. Okay. The the, the regular posts when new episodes go into the feed, those are in the outbox, right. Got it. Live notifications do not go into the outbox. Now, maybe they should. But that doesn't seem like it. I don't know. I mean, I'm open, I'm open to

well open to have my mind. Why don't you just since we're on the topic I have at the top of my list, let's just give us a little status on the Fed ification of the index, because this is where we left off last last year. And I'm super excited by by this development, it's it opens up so many opportunities once we get it to work.

Steven crater said, Where did they go there?

Who knows? into the ether, man, stop asking questions crater.

Yeah, like, okay, so they, they go to the inbox of other servers, which also answers FPPS question. He says, Does the bridge also have to post to the master to master on them? But yes, so. So So yes, the here's let me just let me just go back and look and talk a little bit about structure because they basically this week with ag with the AP bridge was nothing but refactoring just isn't, and it's not the the code that I've worked on all week is not even in production yet.

Yeah. So you might as well have a girlfriend, if you're gonna talk that language to me. Well,

that's why you don't have girlfriends, if you're gonna have if you know how to talk that language, you have no women in your life, right? Or if you do, they all hate you. So here's, here's the way the structure is currently. And this as for the refactor code, as well as, as well as what's what's actually live right now. So there's, there's a web server. Remember, this is all based on the, on the core front, this core little tiny, elegant web server framework of that

shouldn't it be using pod

pay? Well,

that's next level. There's

a net Well, no, it does. So but but not all. Not all feeds are pod, of course. So you have there's so it's constantly doing that. And it's like once it's like one a second you know, it's it's not it's being nice. So then it's doing that as one there's a initial just looping is running all the time. And then there's another loop, another thread that gets spawned to listen to Spurlock's pod thing. WebSocket.

Right? That's where it's supposed to do the live update.

Yes. And so whenever it basically just the thread spawns it, it connects to the WebSocket, and then enters a loop, waiting for a read for read activity. When a new message comes in, it checks. It calls the index. Because here's the issue. So there's a little bit of there's a little bit of like, I don't know what you would call it, a little bit of running around, that has to happen because pod ping operates on feed URLs. That's really all it can operate on. So it

IDs, so you have to do a lookup there. Yes. So

there has to be a reverse lookup. So I'm watching the pod ping web socket. And when a message comes in, I say, okay, podcast just went live. And it's this feed URL. What's the idea? Yeah, how do I know if that's one that we watch or not? Does anybody follow this? You know, who knows. So I have to convert that feed URL into a podcast index ID, which requires

bit of time loop. Yeah, you can miss it. You can you can check too early.

Yes, you can check too early for sure.

This is a Rube Goldberg Machine Man that I don't know what you're you're building here. The dominoes dominoes trip the spoon that hits the golf ball. It hits the falls into the glass. The glass splashes the water. Exactly.

Yeah. And then a firecracker goes off and scares the chicken glaze and a witch. Yeah, exactly. This is all a podcasting. By the way. It is a huge Rube Goldberg

true it's true that's called interrupt in the in some worlds

so that's that's what's happening all the time. So what happened? What happened this past week when everybody started saying hey, I'm not getting notifications of new episodes. One of the three one of those threads the thread that the thread that checks the podcast index a fresh new add crash first

of all, how you should be very happy and and you I would say you can be proud of the fact that people were complaining that means people were already like interested in it.

This is good. It warms my heart.

It warms your heart and then immediately you got a black hole in your soul because the feet you're threaded crashed

your heart can be warm and pissed off at the same time. Possible as possible. Yeah, and so the the it had it had crashed and I don't know this for sure yet because I really could not afford the distraction of hunting that bug while also refactoring this, this code, because, here's, well, I don't want to get off into many different, different rabbit trails, but just what it almost certainly is almost

a result. So it's like an it's an abstraction of the variable.

It is the variable lives inside of the RET of the wrapped of the rat, the variable lives inside a type in the type, let's just does you say option. Okay? So option is an option can be either some or none. So none is sort of like null or nil. Or in JavaScript, undefined, something like that. It's just a value that means this damage is inherent, you know what you're

to unwrap it to figure out what it is. Yes,

exactly. You can say Holy crap, I'm programming

rust, everybody

print the transcript and compile it. Yes. So there's also another there's another version of that is very similar to that, called result. It's a result is basically the same ideas option, except it operates with, you can have either an N Okay, or error. There's your your to those instead of some and none. Now you have Okay, an error it's meant for it's really meant for returning from a function and letting the calling method know whether or not that function was successful or not.

got value. God Yeah.

So there is a it just again, like many, like most modern languages that that incorporate this feature. Hold on, hold on, wait, hold

on a second day. Champs have to wake up. Okay. So I'm dozing off.

We got him early in his first class and one so he's still we're lucky. We're lucky. So like most modern languages that incorporate this, this idea or this feature, there is a way to force the unwrapping. Okay, so now, now you're not checking to see if it's so like in Rust, you would say something like this, if podcast index id.is some meaning if there's a value there. Yeah. Or if podcast index id.is. None the meaning. So you

going quickly to get you just want to get it no matter what. Yeah, because you're like, Hey, I

know. I don't care if it crashes, it's fine. It's kind of science graduate. But I just want this I don't want to have to build all this logic, all this error checking logic, I'll do that, quote unquote, later,

and that's what the wrapping is for is for error checking logic. Right. And so

you say it Exactly so that you can avoid crashing in written runtime. But, so you can do I think in Swift, it's the exclamation point will unwrap a variable. In rust. It's either the question mark, or you can explicitly say dot unwrap. And that will, that will treat the variable as if there's something there and we'll, we'll return its content. So if there's nothing there, you get a thread panic and you cry you

crash. Okay, I got it. So that's the problem is that it? Either check too early, too late or something and it was zero and you didn't have any, you didn't have the user to force unwrap. And then it had nothing to do with

PS exec thread panic done that. But it didn't. But it does not crash the entire it doesn't crash the entire AP bridge and only crashes read

read write? Yes. Well, that's what threads are for.

Right, exactly. It's exactly what I shouldn't be doing is either one of n and most likely both of these two things I should be properly checking all unwraps which I'm almost certainly not doing as as Alex likes to say unwrapping things for Christmas. And, and also checking to see if the thread crashes and bringing it back to life spawning a new thread. And doing neither one of them.

Okay, I gotcha. Gotcha.

I guess I'm a bad program. Boy, naughty. I'm on the bad list.

All right. Oh, my goodness. Thanks, Dave.

Is that a bad way to start a show?

I don't know. I mean, anyone's that the boardroom is quiet. No one's saying anything anymore in their heads are all on their keyboards. You know, I'm expecting any minute now for someone to shoot a whole long row of peas, you know, just fall asleep on the keyboard. While we're in at this level, let me just run through a couple of things. And then I have some thoughts. First of all, I want

Yes, what exactly is going on around for a long time? Is

this because now is this people who are just using WordPress is it people who are using the power press plug in? Is it what what exactly happened there? Do you know?

Yeah, do you notice that there's a win win pie its power to power precious you owe it is power press okay. Yes, when power press first released support for the podcast good. They had a bug in their in their code where it was giving everybody the same good. Right.

Okay, that makes that's what we're seeing. And there's a lot of them. Right? And then

they they fix the bug. But there's many feeds out there that haven't upgraded to until a later version of power press yet. Okay, and so those things are sticking around with the buggy code where they're duplicating do IDs but

once people upgrade their power press plug in then it fixes it

yes, what if if they if they ever do you know like

well I can tell hornqvist for sure because he's one of them. That's where it came from. It's like hey, d h unplugged has Bo has this this GUID that is in the in the index a million times I could tell him to upgrade and

the last time I checked and I don't know if you have a hard number on it but the last time I checked it was like something like 300 feeds or something like

that. I didn't I did not didn't count

it wasn't like it was just like no it's not a

horrible no it's not horrible, but it's you know, but DHL unplugged is a big show and it should have its own good so I'll make greatest power press that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I'll tell him to upgrade his power press because that's the problem. Obviously.

Yeah, it I mean Todd can jump in there and correct us if I'm correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm remember this when it happened because You know, where it first showed up? was in transcribe.fm?

Ah, right now I remember that. Yeah, it was you would ask

transcribe.fm for a transcript, and it would give you back a transcript from some other show. You're like what? Oops. Yeah. And you and then we figured out that it was because it was because of this issue. I wonder

if pod press has some pingback that they can that they can tell their plugin users like, hey, grayzone acid

as dyno dot fmoS. Dan? Oh, yeah. Sorry. The yatris didn't know that of him. I mean, he can. Maybe that's commonly we need Todd to chime in. Yeah. Yeah.

Second thing, which I think is a good thing, and this was a long thread. And this is something that true fans has implemented. And I think Dolby das RSS blue is is implementing it is publisher feeds. This and I know we've discussed this. So let me just give you what I believe publisher feeds, are you correct me or not? Because it's easier that way, instead of me interpreting what you just said about rust. Okay, so publisher feeds is a feed that will be marked with a special medium, or

Yeah, well, yeah. Had this on the list. So I went to see I wrote down a couple of notes. Yeah, that the publisher, they're there. They're valid. Yeah, right there validation process. Is there's there's a feed for publishers that contains remote items. Yeah. Yeah. And remote items is basically a feed of feeds. Yeah,

exactly. So um, so I could have a feed of all of my podcasts. And you could subscribe to that feed, and you'd get every new episode from each podcast that I publish through that feed if you wanted to correct?

It? Well. I mean, I think I think you could code it

that way. Okay. I understood, okay. It's more for display purposes than for under the hood functionality. But it could be that way.

You were the way you described it as sort of like an OPML I knew

it was coming out of my mouth. I'm like, Dude, I just I just gave him an OPML feed now. Okay. But

I think you could do that, though. I mean, like, like, you could code it up that way where you could look at it. And then and then like, sort of parse it. Like, you could go through to the source that yeah, you could do that. But I don't know that. That was what their goal was.

Something to consider perhaps. Yeah,

yeah, for sure. So well, they had two different versions. And did you see that it was like, it was like a publisher that a publisher feed and then meet this, these are mediums we're talking about? Publisher medium equals

so there's two, or I hadn't figured that one out yet. Okay. So that's very much like this. That's a playlist because it's L. So a playlist. Okay. I don't see why you wouldn't just have one and just parse a different one. I guess it's the same thing. Just seems like, if you I mean, you'd want it, it seems to me, like you'd want to have the functionality in both both cases.

Well, the sort of the whole idea here, I think it's I mean, I think it's a good one to is that you have you can't you know, you're trying to avoid this situation where, okay, I'm I I'm a feed and I need to and I'm gonna, and I'm claiming that I'm published by The New York Times as show that somewhere in my author tag or whatever. And then but but um, but I'm lying about that I don't, I'm not actually a New York Times feed, I'm just trying to ride that train or whatever.

Okay, that makes sense.

Because the only other way to do it is with something like public, you know, like a public key signing, right

work. So where does that go in the so if I'm the publisher of several podcasts, and I have no agenda, and I want to validate no agenda as being a part of the Adam curry publishing empire, where where in my no agenda feed? What I put what, for that validation.

But my understanding was that there was a, there was a new tag for publisher. Let me make sure that this right. And

that, so the tag for publisher of that would have a feed URL, and that refers back and back and forth. And it has a validation in the publisher, remote item feed.

So yes, in the content. Okay, so here's Yeah, okay, this is this is. Okay, here's how I'm looking at it right now. There's a couple of a couple of proposed ways to do it. But this one is using remote items with a medium of publisher. So the remote Yeah. So the medium of Publisher. Let me try to this is this gets confusing when you're trying to just no kidding. describes it. Okay, you're the New York Times. Let's use you. Okay, so you are you are Adam curry. You have

like that? Yeah.

No agenda, podcasting tip when no

learning facts boost the ground scramble.

Yeah, the five you have five shows. So you would put you would, you would create a new feed, which would be a publisher, which would be a feed where it had a podcast medium of Publisher, then you would have remote items in you would have five remote items in the channel of that feed. Yep, the one for each of those shows with referencing, you know, the feed good, the URL, the medium. So then you in each of your shows where you have in each of the actual feeds, no agenda,

it? Who is this for? Who gives a rat's ass about this is what I'm trying to understand.

Musicians primarily. Okay, good. That makes so yeah, like you would have. That way you could have as many fields as you want. But if you if somebody wants to say I want to listen to all the albums by easily Costello,

then you go to the publisher, Okay, God, that makes total sense.

And you can follow it up the chain too. So if you're on one of her albums, you have a link by default going to the publisher feed. So you can sort of step up one level and

this a what other what other albums does Ainslie Costello have? Exactly? How does God which could even be a sub sub publisher of like a bigger entity?

Yeah,

for sure. So can it can you include a I guess you can, um, so she could. She could be Ainsley Costello. She's a publisher of all these albums, but but she is then a sub of like phantom power records or whatever. Yeah, so this could put a publisher tag in that would refer up to her record, quote, unquote, record label or whatever the entity is, or which goes all the way up to God ultimately Scott's got sitting at the top with this big publisher tag and a lot of remote items.

And in his guid is is one.

Exactly. Okay.

So you can see that as something like what's a good example of that? Like? Wonder that wondering, aren't they owned by Amazon? Yeah, yeah, I think so. Yeah. Okay. So you could have a wondery Publisher list, but then Amazon podcasts could be like, one level higher. Got it. That had multiple publisher feeds in that feed? Yeah.

Yeah. Makes sense. Okay. Well, so what do we need to do to to make that official?

Well, I have it on my list. To put it into that we need to talk about this in general. So I mean, this is like, for show of 2024. Baby, we have to talk about strategy. For what for phase seven.

First, hot namespace talk. 2024 is hotter than 2023.

The hottest, the hottest new year on record best, right? According to the IPCC. Yes. So we I mean, like, I don't know if we have we haven't faced seven. I don't know if we've talked about it. Well, we haven't faced seven so far. Is only actually I was actually in the activity pub bridge code here. And I think I found the unwrap this that killed us.

Shirts irritates you.

Let me get back to the namespace repo though. Because I have a have a plan doc for

Facebook. He's got a plan. And he's the man with the plan. The plan? Okay, here it is.

So what we have on the list right now is to try to get into Phase seven is authorization. So this this podcast, verify ownership tag thing. Adding keys and addresses in the value recipient? And chat, podcast chat

tag, say again, given them again, sorry, I was distracted. Podcast,

the verify ownership. And then adding the adding the keys and address.

Right, right.

To the value received.

The LV found tag. Yeah,

that'll be found thing. Then the podcast chat tag, which is the the, you know, ephemeral version of social interact. And that's, that's all this in the plan right now. So we could, we could get So two questions. I mean, we add this, I can add this right now. I think I should the publisher, then

well, we have implementations. That's usually our rule. No, right. Now, of course, that means Sam Sethi will be driving the entire namespace because he implements everything. He wakes up in the morning. I got an idea. Boom, make it a tag.

This is what Okay, the rule we typically was the loose rule was always we need at least one host at least one app to implement it. Yeah. We have no need to say we made we need made it expand that to say at least two apps because Sam's going to implement everything. So we need we may need to Sam's the default. We either either gimme right, so we needed we need to we need two apps. We need some we need Sam plus one. One

host and two apps or two hosts on two apps.

One One host and then whoever sent the

Girls One Cup somehow that just jumped into my head. I don't know what happened there. Yes. 221 host two s one host two apps. Okay, that's that sounds fair.

And I think I mean no well I mean wavelengths already talking about it. Dobby Das is the one that yeah,

he's he's running with scissors over there. Yeah. So

there's there's your two hosts. There's there's two hosts out there. Yeah.

So we just need one more app to implement it

was I mean, that's Steven Bell's a slam dunk because he wants this functionality.

Yeah, cuz he will put it into ln beats and all that stuff. And curio Kassar by the way, if I can geniza if I can just say thank you, Steven b He made an integration between M airless which is the playout software I use and the split kit. So now, when I end up doing a Bookstagram ball tomorrow, God willing, when I hear this been well, yeah, tell me about it. So now I just load up the song into my player. The minute I hit the

Walking. Let's see, like how did he do that though? Because I thought I thought in their list was a compiled like a Windows software. Yes,

but you have a see what it's called here. Because errorless is meant for, you know, radio type deals. So you have a blogging function, and you can add stuff to it. So you could technically send the song data to your icecast server, but also as HTTP GET. So you send a GET request to the curio hoster with some Steven Bell magic sauce. Yes. And on the split kit, you have the answer you give it a username password pair in an Error List and that corresponds with your username

this, this is like

a web hook. Yeah, yeah, web hook. I think what is Yeah, okay. Beautiful. Was who cares what it is? It works.

Oh, yeah. That's rad, though. This is cool that they have that ability.

It's, it's yet again, Rube Goldberg machine. It's so beautiful. I love this stuff. I love it so much.

Okay, so I just added I just added publisher phase to phase seven to the plan list to the

plan. But we still need a second app. Well, we have the we have we have Stephen Bell, of course. Beautiful. And

we don't have we don't have explicit confirmation. But

you feel let me see smiles. You feel me?

Yeah, it's there. He's just slammed on. Added face. Okay. All right. We got that covered.

I have something to discuss. Yeah. What's your behavior? Dave Jones? No. It's like one of those honey, we have to talk. But.

But no, the worst is worse than that. When this like, Hey, can we talk? Oh, no, but not right. But not right. Later. Can

we? Can we have a chat later? Yeah. It's the worst. I had two of those. I'm divorced twice. Alright, here we go. So I'm listening to the new media show. I didn't pull clips. And he was really quite beautiful, because I finally understood not only how messed up but how the podcast advertising system works. And I've always wondered because I thought everybody was kind of on this IAB standard. And didn't really matter where you host that stuff. But it does. It sure

by his he said multiple times that he throws out tons of data like yes, he over he overcorrect. Yes. Purpose. Yes.

So when the iOS 17, apocalypse happened, his numbers didn't really go down because he has formulas and secret sauce as he calls it, which I have no desire to taste. Yes,

yourselves to yourself.

He has secret sauce, that he says that he has, that certain apps have certain behavior that he's bench tested, you know, over the years, and so he he can get pretty close to like 70% or 75% of the actual listens, have a percentage of the podcast apps or the person that the people who are listening to that podcast, which is pretty good. And I'm sure

And who we we are against index?

Well, let me start about me first. I have extremely valuable play statistics. Of all my podcasts, in fact, DeVore I can I use it regularly? Because when people are streaming Satoshis per minute, is it the whole audience? No. Is it a percentage of the audience? Yes. Can I make a reasonable assumption? So for example, I look at it, I never look at

I will say that, let me just throw that in that. This is per it's totally anonymized data as well.

This is very this is Key, the only thing we have is a username, which often is anonymous podcast guru user or user 35924. Lots of times people put their their aliases in Sometimes people put their actual name in. But it is, in this effect anonymous, that we can't actually track much other than you sent this. If you sent a message, here's what the

There's no IP addresses, there's

no nothing, none of that. There's no There's no now if I'm just before I continue with my with my rant here, if I'm not mistaken, although it hasn't been implemented, there is a way for these value payments to be sent that the podcaster could hit reply and send a payment back with a message. Am I correct? Yes. But almost no one is doing that, or what are we missing for that piece to work?

Well, I don't know how many apps do it currently I know that we have I know that. I know that curio caster does and will also Steven bass apps, we can look in the we can we can look in the boost in the donation segment. And we can see because in with any any booths that comes in, where we where we read it in the in the segment, it also has some debugging

Yes, I see. Okay, so curio caster has reply, address, custom key custom value, etc. Okay, and let me see fountain probably doesn't it's probably only curio caster, the doing okay, so that. So that's possible. Imagine now, we're not going to become a statistics provider for anybody. We're not

A Whitney, so Okay, so So you're basically you're okay, you say you're, you're sending, let's just say one set, you're sending one set to the advertiser wallet, who then

they send you five set. So here's from the high level, you can support us with value for value. Or if you toggle the switch, we're going to work you can in the onboarding part, you can go pretty far down the road, like, we'll give you a wallet automatically will give you a wallet with 1000. SAS has a lot of things you can do. The point

of okay, I thought I mean, I guess the first thing that pops out is I say that I listened to your ad, which sends a set to you and I get five sets back that. I mean, that's just how you can avoid the the amount of the massive click for all to happens with that.

I mean, there's all kinds of things that I'm you know what I bet you Oscar has already figured out a lot of the click fraud stuff, of course, but we have click fraud everywhere. We already have it. So that will that could be we

don't but we don't have click fraud. Well, this, this is a direct Well, if you're an advertiser, and you have downloads, you can say. You can say x percentage of these downloads are fake. I'm not paying for this, which

is this, which is the stuff that Todd already does. He already knows this. Right.

But then, but if you're but if it's a direct transaction, then you can't

get that back. Okay. Well, let's take let's take that part out. Okay, whatever the incentive is, we have a system that nobody has, we have a minute by minute payment system that can send this information completely anonymous. You know, don't send something back right away, you know, stored up whatever. Yeah, I mean, there's a million ways to do the incent

Okay, so the setting aside the incentive thing for a second the other thing that's that popped out was so I'm full I'm putting on my full cynic hat here. You're trying to play you

have to you have to and

in the cynic in me says, do the advertisers themselves even want accurate numbers? Ah, well,

this popped up for me too. Nobody may actually want to have these numbers which would be which would be handy too, because then everything falls apart. And the only real way to measure stuff is direct response. was like cold bond genome. I mean, that's basically the ultimate. But right now,

if you're an ad buyer for Nike, and you buy that, and you say, Okay, I'm going to spend $700,000, across these audio, mediums, and I'm going to get to 250,002, that is going to be in the pot in podcasts. And look at all these downloads, we got it for 250,000, or for $200,000, we got, you know, we get 2 million downloads, like if, if that actually translates into 300,000, then you as the ad buyer may not want your boss to see the accurate number, you may

line, you're absolutely right, people may not want to actually know. But what I find interesting, and maybe this is something for Spurlock to do, what I find interesting is that I don't need an agency or anybody else or a podcast host to tell me the listening behavior of my audience, I can look at it myself. The I can talk directly to an agency or an ad buyer and say, well, of my downloads on Obama unique audience on op three, which is okay, no agenda 900,000 unique

Yeah. Does it feel like nuts? I think you're on to Sunday. I mean, it may there's something there. It's, there's a way to there's get, you know, there's a way to harness this is. Okay, so back to basics for a second. I mean, what you're talking about is, is lightning as a as a perfectly anonymized way to see what's happening with your show? Yes. And

listening minutes. Let's put it that way how far someone listens in. Okay. But let's forget everything I said before, was probably a better is probably a bad way to start it off. How about this? If I send a split to OP three? I want open by the way. The apps not doing anything creepy? No, what no app wants to do creepy tracking? No, no one wants to be creepy. But But I have my numbers and whether I'm looking at download

Again, get I guess I just see this as the as envisioned at the moment in my head. This seems very binary. Like, like it's is either an all or nothing thing. You go in, you're either you're either value for value at that point, and then there's no way to get somebody to listen to the ads without incentivizing. Oh, so you do you

listen to the Linux unplugged? Do you listen to Jupiter broadcasting? Do you screen them set?

Yes.

Do they have marketing? Yes. So that's not true what you just said.

But that is that is a function of so that is that's if you turn on was like, Well, let me clarify the, you mentioned sort of like enabling this thing as a feature.

Just one way that as I said, this is just one way of doing this. I mean, right now, if I were Jupiter broadcasting, I would go to Linode. And I would say, Hey, here's the percentage of people who are streaming SATs, and who were doing that while listening to your ad. And I would say it's, uh, you know, 0.1% of our audience, but this gives you an idea. This, you can extrapolate that. And by the way, you don't mind I know you don't because you love those guys.

Oh, yeah. That's why Listen, yeah. To the ads and stream sets through the air. Exactly,

exactly. This is my point. It's the relationship between the podcaster. And the audience that makes it work. Not that not everything else sucks. So

you're saying if the podcaster explains this, and says, Look, if you're using a value for value app, here, the the advertisers can tell if your Listen, which helps us. Of course, okay, that's, of course, this is so much layout, I appreciate that angle on it, because

it's still value for value, the hope there's no way our audience is not big enough, you're not boosting enough for me to do this full time. We have Linode as a sponsor, we'd love to tell them, you know that people are listening. If you don't, if you don't boost us 10,000 SATs turn on five sets of minutes, so we can track it and tell them and show them what they're getting for their money. Its value for value.

Yeah. appreciate the fact that that's like a conversation in a relationship between the podcaster and the audience. That's where I started this sort of technological technical solution that trust, like, steal it to like, work its way around that relationship. That's

why That's why I started I said, What's ignored in the whole podcasting industrial complex? is the relationship between the podcaster and the audience. And the podcasters. They forget that too. And then it just becomes magic did yeah. Well, then it but then it becomes when we just shove this crap in your face, I'm sorry. It's the only way we can do it. Where you can actually turn it into an

I agree. Yeah. And I think I think that is, you know, everybody's doing their prediction shows and stuff like that this week, or in last week. And this. There, there's this weird dichotomy between some people are saying, well, you know, think 2024 is not going to get a whole lot better than 2023. And then people on the ad side are like, well, you know, everything's going up. And yeah, I think in order to get sort of your put your ear to the to the train track, and hear what's

can I add one thing before you go to the clips? Yeah, I would love Linux unplugged, if they put a value time split into their Linode read, I will boost your advertiser and tell them I liked their product. Or if I don't like their product, I will boost and said, I heard this ad. I'm interested, or I liked it, or I liked the way it was done. Or I like your product. I'd like your service. I'm already I'm already a user or man, you know, whatever it is, I will give feedback to your advertiser.

One thing we haven't seen on that front is, like you said, boosting directly to the advertiser basically a value split for the ad. Yes,

yes. Exactly. Put it to a devalue time split in, give the advertiser A wallet, tell you tell your audience what you're doing. Hey, if you if you're a podcast, who put it right now? boost the ad, send them a message can be one Satoshi I don't care. Send them a message.

That would be interesting. If you said, if you say okay, I'm going to I'm going to prove to you my numbers. In this way, I'm going to set up a context account for you beautiful, exactly, we're gonna see this. Yeah. And

you know what advertising equals negative feedback. They, they, they appreciate that, too. That's free. And you're just save yourself $50,000 on a marketing firm that does that does polling. And

at the end of the, at the end of the campaign, then you just pay you just if you just pay me back? The the amount, like just add that back in as a bonus. What like the agreed amount, and then you add in whatever, whatever sets you receive, you give me a cut of that back? What and that's whatever it

is, you send it back to the people who sent you the message,

we split it or whatever. There's a million ways to do it. Yeah. That's

all I wanted to present is that I am not I believe that advertising is, is censorship, because you can't talk about a competing product that That by itself is going to be censorship. I believe it's dangerous, in many cases, because you, you can get demonetized. But I want to be clear, I'm not anti marketing, the world exists on marketing.

Yeah, I think I think we haven't seen the sort of experimentation now with this stuff where you could sit down for an afternoon and think of four or five different ways you could do some crazy stuff with with this when it when it comes to like splits that activates services. Like with friends I mean, just you get spit ball or something like this like you you donate you hit a certain threshold of you hit a certain you know you hit a certain threshold of ads and screaming

just to finish, I really feel there's something here this hybrid, it's not creepy, because we're already doing it. It's not creepy, because I'm already using it. It's not creepy, because I can't attribute you as a person to the contacts graph that I'm viewing. I mean, if I go into the data individually, I guess I could, and you know, I can know, an alias. But that's really all I know. I can't necessarily yeah,

that's, that's self that's opt in, though, I mean, because you've completely you have to get to it. I mean, if I get if I just say that, if I put in my, in my user name, and the T O V. Anonymous, is you're not getting any information about me at all. There's nothing you can't, you can't extract anything out of that payment that that identifies me, you just can't know. So there's my if I choose to put Dave Jones in the username field of the TLV I'm choosing to let you know

then you have for Dave Jones.

Name I can't tell which one's me and which one's somebody else. It's just it is perfectly anonymous

now and I believe much more in host read ads than anything else. Because it's like bridesmaid magazine. I don't think you should be creating a podcast just to advertise bridal services and products. Button. Linux unplugged is makes so much sense for I'm interested in the products they that advertised there. And the either it's a canned or whatever, but it's not it's not an inserted ad that goes you know, Toyota. I'm not interested, that's not going to interest me. And I can't help

But the reason I the reason I headed it I have veered into clips. Because I think this No no. Because this this is actually pretty. It's actually pretty apropos mainly so I was listening to this is wrong roundabout way of the way of how I got to this podcast. This there's this you know, I told you I've I've gone down the Gilmore Girls train. Now and now I'm listening to the Gilmore Girls podcast. But but it's this

I been Pfeiffer I binge Gilmore Girls are in COVID. So it's you know what a real man admits that. He watched Gilmore Girls.

I have no shame. None. There's no shame. But so it's The this I ended up listening to this other podcast, because now I'm just you know, I'm just curious at what, three minutes in and I'm out. I'm like that cannot tolerate this at all. It's so it's just not my for No, I'm not going to criticize them but it is just absolutely not my thing. I can't I can't handle it. So I was out on that but somehow I ended up through the magic of of the index or something with this

And what do you mean figure out new shows? What do you mean, what new shows to produce? Yeah,

yeah. So they like so what do we you know, this is the new this is the new world we live in where? Where podcasting isn't, is not a is not the Fairhead you know, fair haired

child knows the ugly, ugly. redheaded stepchild was what it is. All right. Sorry. redheads.

Is the soulless redheads. Yes. And this so they so they have a new strategy, which he will describe.

This week, we have a special treat for our listeners. Oh, right. Yes, this this is kind of crazy. But it's huge. It's an honor. And the head game network is a big family. In light of that they've launched this new pilot program that they're they're trying out. And it's really weird how they're rolling it out and executing it. But when we heard the talent involved, we thought, yeah, let's participate. Yeah, let's

I'm not sure I understood exactly what they're doing.

Okay, so that's yeah, it's a little hard to follow but what this what they're doing his feed drops,

right. So they're putting the episode in every single feed on their network. So

yes, selective feed, so they're gonna do he was saying he was saying that he clarifies it and a little, clarifies a little bit more in in the next clip, but what they're essentially doing is they're, instead of doing any commitments, they're going to do like one pilot episode, and then throw that into a whole bunch of already highly subscribed feeds and see whether or not they get good feedback. And if they do then they might order more

webisodes. Wow, that sounds like a bad idea to me. This

sounds like a terrible idea. I mean, feed drops are nothing new. But I can tell you they're almost universally hated it

From experience I can tell you from way back people don't like it. Like we'll get that out of my feed. I'll subscribe to the feed myself Hey. And

like this is a perfect example because I was willing to give this show a shot I want I tuned in to hear this specific show. And I did not get this show because this show this whole intro that I'm that I'm clipping here. This was all lead into the feed drop that there were about two played this other episode. So I subscribed to a show that I now did not get. What I got was some new pilot episode for a potentially new

W. Smith and Amy Grant are doing one. You know, there's other people doing podcasts pilots that I'm forgetting right now. I think I think there's, there's like scrubs rewatch podcasts that they're doing, but it's just the Todd and he's Sarah choc. Yeah. And it's kind of competing with fake doctors, real friends. That's one of them. There's one Kim controls doing where she just washes Sex in the City. And she talks about how much she hates everything. Okay, negative show.

Oh, man, this is a prime example of how you cannot monetize the network. So

this is, you know, I don't, I'm not I'm not being super negative on. As far as like, I'm not saying this. I'm not gonna criticize anybody on this. But what I'm just it was interesting from the standpoint of this, it's sort of a confirmation that there's really nothing new here. Like, there's the podcast industrial complex. So the you know, they're out of

in what you're gonna hear in this pilot episode, which is not too long, because you know, they're just testing the waters and filling things out. And and you can tell like, they've been friends for a long time, but they're maybe they don't have the stamina. Yeah, their chemistry is kind of a little wonky as they kind of figure out what they're doing, you might hear. So, and for me, it was interesting listening to Amy, because she would just kind of like, you could tell at some

this reminds me so much of pod show. When because we tried to run it like a traditional network. This is where I came up with the whole term. You can't monetize the network. We tried to do it with promo codes. And what wound up happening is everybody had their code and they were making good money because they were basically becoming SEO experts with their codes. People weren't getting the codes from the

And then this is podcast winter. This is the beginning of the podcast winter.

Yes, it is the podcast winter. It is its direct response is very difficult in this in this manner because you just as I said, I've been, I've seen it over and over and over again. Where now the the code is in a YouTube does it to me the code is in the YouTube description. It's they they people become SEO experts at codes. That's real. It's not really coming from the podcast. Whereas I think Linode probably

I know, people will say that, you know, oh, feed drops had been done for I get that that's not that's not the point. Understand feed drops have always been been happening. The thing that startles me a little bit, is that what this is this thing here is a large net podcast network that has is saying our new strategy is basically to do is to only do one pilot episode, and then feed drop it everywhere, that that

is desperation the next step for them as they're going to be doing? They're gonna be doing podcasts about the products. That's always the next step. Before you know it, they'll be doing the Acura RDX podcast, you know, there'll be producing it Yeah. Branded podcast I shared with you a mess is troublesome is troublesome? Well, I shared with you a message, someone approached me and said, a guy we know

I hadn't been that guy. Oh, it would have I would have thought it was bullshit. Yeah.

And so I know what I'm going to say. The first thing I'm going to say is, here's what's not to do, do not invest a single dime in content, a single dime. But I'm going to tell him and I'm it'd be completely selfish. I'm going to say, what we need here is a marketing company, a company that markets apps, podcasts, wallets, but really, if you want to be a media company, then you should go to the now Linux, I'm just gonna use Linux unplugged, because I like those guys. And

But that's when, when that dries up, we drove to exact

but the point is, is that that's coming from, you know, not just booster Graham's for this show, it's coming from a lot of different places. So and he does, he says, he doesn't even relate. It's not even necessarily big profit, but good, then you're perfect for a marketing company.

But, but you jettison profit. Yeah. And this is you're in the strike zone.

I mean, I would just be promoting apps promoting onboarding, we have everything you need. The last things, I hope I can convince this guy not to do what everyone's gonna do. Hey, man, yeah, let's make a studio, let's have a studio where people can create shows, that's gonna suck. And as a is a good way to throw away $30 million. That's not what's needed here. We need this ecosystem we've created we need

podcast. Luckily, you know, this goes back to the discussion we've had before where podcasting is a media distribution. platform that's, that's already built. Everybody already has a podcast, radio receiver in their pocket. So instead of trying to build something new from scratch, you know, which is typically what Bitcoin people try to do always. Yeah, they try to bid it's like, it's the not invented here

And don't Oh, and one other thing I'd have, um, say. I think it would have to be a wall, you know, lightning service provider, make it so that people can connect their podcast to the value for value infrastructure. And that when someone sends a boost, it drops into their, into their bank account as dollars. This is the thing. Yeah, this is what this is what we never were able to succeed. What was the name of the company that was working now not will strike won't do it.

JD brown it give me a break.

Anyway, so that's what I hope to bring to the next board meeting something positive on that. Wouldn't that be great if we got some we got someone that just marketed this stuff? Because the last thing I want is that we don't want money. I don't want money.

No, no, it's too much stress.

I mean, no, no, no, we don't we just I just want I just want this to more people to be exposed to this market, the apps market this stuff market aims Ainslie Costello, to market the live show.

Market this market the the the people who are already there? Yes. And you don't doesn't include us with I don't want any of that. No, because market market the people that are already there that are producing the content people want to hear.

Hopefully it's going to be such a because I know he's talking to other people about this. Hopefully it's going to be such a different message that will go Oh, because I can definitely tell them how I how I spent $65 million on it. Podcast Network and tell him that so you want that that's fine. Now, let's find out what you're talking about. Finally, find lots of people to spend that money for you. But if you really want to do something, if you have an outcome in mind, this is

Oh, yeah, I mean, this is the perfect time for somebody to put money behind the music. Yep. The value for value music ecosystem. Yep. Do it. I mean, like, yeah, and we'll and we'll, and we'll keep building. It makes it work, keep

building, keep building. And because we have the value splits, everybody wins. Everybody wins, number go up number go up for everybody. Well,

we need to talk about one more thing before we okay. Thank people. Sure. Yeah, sure. So would the other thing is our terms of service for the podcast index? I mean, this is a board meeting. So this is an appropriate topic that somebody brought up on. On the podcast index, GitHub repos database

I think that we could have someone review it. And one thing I know for sure there's lawyers in my life, who will gladly help us out with their time and talent to just run through it and say, Hey, this makes no sense for what you're doing. So that right there five, a whatever it is, we should just take that out, of course, people should be able to build build databases off of our database.

Yeah, that was like, what what? Yeah, no, we don't want that. I mean, that's not that doesn't make any sense. I'm sure it had something to say that that's the problem with boilerplate stuff. And I'm sure it had something to do with like, don't scrape us and build an email list or have a, you know, some crap like that. Well,

we know who we both know, who was in charge of making those. Those terms of service, and that person had different ideas about who we were and what we're about. Yeah. So if

it's probably like, I really wish that we could have a terms of service that was just like, you know, don't do this. Don't do this. Don't do this. But basically just a clear, it's not like some 12 Page monstrosity, that nobody knows what's in it. I wish it was just the simple thing that that said, you know, hey, don't spam the don't spam the index. Right? Don't you know, basically all this stuff? Like don't Don't be a douche?

How about that? Terms of Service? Point one a Don't be a douche. There is no point to point

yet. Point two is, you know, question mark. That's what I want. Because I don't I have to stuff in the terms that don't even I don't even understand. So well, if

you're, if you're a lawyer, reach out to us. And I will, we have a pretty good guy. Rob, who's, he does a lot of analysis for me. And I'll ask him if he'll if he'll just run a check and take a look. And he could probably just do that and say, Hey, here's some things What do you think about this or that? I mean, it's, it's not like writing something new, I think we can just strip out or change chains of things that aren't appropriate to what we're doing. And he understands value for value.

Okay, but like what good point back back then back then when we first did it, I went through it and wrote a simplified version of it. That was like, basically here's the things that the terms say, but that was so long ago, I forgot even what it was now. So interesting.

Interesting. You bring that up? Because I'm right now and that was for as much crap as I give ai ai ai because you know, are

you being Are you being seduced? No, no,

no, I'm not being seduced. I'm actually let me just bring this up here for a second. I think I sent you a copy of this. But the I use otter.ai for our transcription.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, you did send me this. Yeah. And

is it still do you still have it? And what and then so otter is is you For a number of things, people can use it for, you know, for meetings and calls and all kinds of stuff. And so it had this pre pre written thing. I'm gonna see if I can replicate it. What are the action items from this meeting? So this is on episode 161. And so I asked what are the action items from this meeting, and it says some of the main and it

That's exactly right. Yeah,

did you do it and go okay, good job adding links to popular podcast apps like pod verse Pocket Casts etc under each episode on the activity pub bridge. Now of course not adding support to heli pad to post booster grams as replies under episode posts on the activity pub bridge another good idea?

for in my design defending myself against this a douche point for I did say by the end of the month, so I gave myself plenty of time.

And the following last one can I love this because it actually gives us a good list of stuff to remind us of continuing to improve caching issues on Mastodon to ensure album art and other metadata is updated properly. No. Zero for five good meeting everybody. Well, notice I had no action items.

What is what is this? Just what

does this make you hate AI even more now?

Yeah, it does. Actually.

I'm gonna put these here i holding me accountable. Ai action item list. I'm going to put I'm going to keep this in the show notes. That's hilarious. Oh,

yeah, we if you keep referring back to the old stuff that the AI dealt with, we will see model collapse in real time as we go forward. Ooh, nice.

Yes.

Let's make it let's let's Fried's brains, please.

Let's thank a few people because I know you gotta go back to the office. I'm sure I'm off today. Oh,

no.

Crack a beer brother. All right, here we go. Nathan G this is all the live booths people with a row of ducks if the index has all the booster grams where you've received a split, because those could those be served as lightning comments in the social interact tag. Why don't you just grab the third rail and lick it this socket stick your fingers in a socket. This is this is no doubt we'll

never see the light of No. Promise you this not happen but I appreciate enough money in the world to make that happen. Not gonna happen.

Hard Hat 12345 Thank you horrified. Go podcasts, blueberry. With ADA ADA. Last Friday, Ainsley and I compiled every boost and zapped to read them live on a special edition of before the stream be be be 40. Yes. Even after reading the booths at breakneck speeds, it took two and a half hours to get through everything. He says exactly what I call value. Yes. Yes. Beautiful. I love that. Sam Sethi a couple of boosts from

No, I don't I don't want to come in. Because I don't know enough about about it. Yes, but I do. I will make this general statement. I I intentionally stayed out of the namespace until the end of the year. Because I felt like just a personal conviction that it was that we were moving too fast and we needed to slow down a bit to let people catch up. But I'm

is paying our rent today man, another 10,000 from Sam Sethi. 100% Adam, advertisers will pay listeners we will be able to tell advertisers who listened percent completed and value paid to listener. This is negative sets, which we already support in true fans using value time split. If I listen, I get paid. If not, nothing is paid. I'd love to see an example of an advertiser doing that and how you prevent

This part of this is part of their thing where they where they can add stuff to the feed back out.

I think so. Yeah. So you can subscribe to the publisher L and then you get the episodes there. I think I have to go look at it. Okay,

well, well, well, we just we need we're gonna start having guests again. Yeah, so we need to have we'll just have Sam back on the show. We

got to have him back on the show. Then we have another 10,000 from Sam we have implement you might as well be a guest we have implemented a publisher playlist so you follow a publisher we notify you of any new updates got it. That's good. So this is going to be in phase seven then 500 from radio Pete Hello radio Pete he says listening live like a 2.0 Pro Happy New Year to you both hoping to understand more of what you talk about in 2024 I'm sure he got very confused by the

type of feedback. That is a real as a real compliment. It

is it is because we're making stuff entertaining even if it's gobbledygook Yeah, Eric p p 3333. Boost plus plus salty Crayon 3333 says test test received and let me see I think that's what I got. Yes, that's all I have.

Oh, see we get a wait. I gotta get a printer. Hello.

Get off the printer. By the way I've printed

two things out and I forgot to go okay would you say by the way what no no

keep don't forget forget me. No,

because I forgot to pull Oscar Mary's Pay Pal of $200 off the printer thank you I was coming Wow

Hello Oscar. Mary Thank you very much. Let me do allow for you brother 20 blades on I am Paula always him always appreciated.

Yeah. And I had not had my first live experience using fountain the other day I had not listened to anything live on fountain and it was good.

Oh, it works very well. Yeah,

I popped into oh, what's the one that Dame DeLorean does the

live the that's the is it in that this the smoker in the smoker and now

that's Carolyn and this MEF got what it is that camera? It's like it starts with age but it can't.

Now it'll come to hog story hug story. Now

as long story, it's a music podcast.

Oh homegrown,

his hunger on hits? Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yep, homegrown, has good show. Great experience on on fountain. See, and here. Here's our here's our replies. So this is from this is from Trevor the Satanist in Australia. He says Hi, Dave, please, this this is in response to our comment about weather about the Satan like, oh, this dynamic ad is yes.

Oh, you mean the 666 in our in our what? What was that about? I don't remember. At

least we commented that. You said that anybody? You know you're used to it. Anybody who allows you know who encourages Google and YouTube to be part of your podcast infrastructure. You're

one of Satan's helpers. Yes. And I stand by that. Yeah. And

you said in you also said that. We made the comment that that not even Satan likes dynamic ad insertion. And he says, Hi Dave, please accept this message as Pay Pal booster gram. message read next time my mother PayPal donations mentioned congratulations on episode 161 which had a record six references to Satan? To answer your question, Satan is ambivalent about giving RSS to YouTube. But he's definitely against dynamic and it's not even Satan would stoop that low.

That's fine. How much did he give us? What was his?

His monthly is this $5 more? Thank

you. I have a while we're on that just really quickly. You know, I like I like my email address in my RSS feed. I like getting the invitations to interview people. I like being on those I do I do is very interesting. I've never taken advantage of it. But I got this from a couple of different people. So there's a campaign out there. And I just want to let everybody know. It's the subject line Hi, internet

people would be shocked by the amount of by the number of people that email us wanting to know how they can get email addresses from the API.

Oh my god, yeah. Hey, you know, it's really weird. I've been looking I have a great project that I'm working on. I'd love to. I'd love to. I'd love to use podcast index, but for some reason I can't seem to get the email addresses. Is this a mistake?

Like please? I don't see it in the documentation anywhere yeah, I

can't find it in the API Doc's Yeah, okay. Nearby That's odd. It

shouldn't be there. Keep looking. Okay, we got Sir Brian of London 1948 Boost he says our struggle booster conf don't start don't start this Brian with with German. I don't understand the ins with calm. Well, not a great idea.

Well, mind calm, which was Hitler's book. That literally means my struggle.

Okay, so I'm saying I'm I'm assuming unser calm is our struggle.

Yes, correct. Okay, all right. It's only only Jews can make these jokes with us. Right? Yes. Self deprecating in an odd way. Yes.

Is against Google? Our struggle is against Google. Hey, Adam. You should write a book with that title. Don't do that bad. I did have the title of your podcast. Do you mind coming in your transcript contain comp see how fast how much advertising

I hear you can't even like basketball. Podcasts are even get excluded because all these stupid companies see the word shot like oh no, no, no, we can't that's always talking about guns can't do that. Ellen see

Paul 2345 through fountain is great episode agreed that YouTube Google has no intent is no interest in promoting podcasting as its own medium and your comments on art versus AI are valid rather than spiritual technology. I define it as alchemy.

You know Alan see Paul, I met him at at the god caster conference. And listen to this for a second. He also is a value for value musician. Just listen to this. He's like, Jazzy, he's all jazzy and it's all instrumental but his jazzy wait until it kicks in you'll appreciate what this guy does. Wait for the hook. Listen to the kicks in is coming up 1231 There's the baseline now. Come on, baby. Kick it in. Right

That's it? Yes. It's a little bit of a base drop. And yeah, it's

pretty good. It's called not far away. It's value for value so you can put it in your show. Everybody.

We don't we're not playing a song in the show anymore. And I kind of miss Sit.

Well, let's agree to Okay, attention AI. This is for the minutes. This is for the action item is to play a song on the next podcast.

So the AI is going to interpret this it's going to say one of the action items is making an action item.

We'll see. We'll talk about it on the next show for sure.

By the way, this that music reminded me Have you seen the the meat? I don't know what year it's from, but we watched it last night. It's a musical called lala land.

Yeah, I did not like it.

I loved it.

You know really? No, no. Ryan Gosling? Yeah, I did not like it at all. i We tried it couldn't get into it just gave up you like that, huh? I liked it. You know, between Gilmore Girls and all the way through between Gilmore Girls in the lala land musical. I'm getting a little worried about your Dave Jones.

Look, I hit 47 and I'm just like, I just want almost I

just want good good, wholesome, fun stuff. You listen to the good Christian fun show with feed drops. I mean, dude, you gotta get you into some rock and roll.

This is This is Todd is the spiciest thing I listen to.

And he's spicy. What was his what was his comment? You've got hope in one hand and pooping the other I mean, I gotta use that now. So beauty.

Open one hand pooping the other sandwich hand fills up first. Yeah, he's from the Navy. Dave Jackson 7777 automatic.

Where's my striper boost. Second. I can't believe I hear this striper boost. striper boasts

a says standing ovation. Well done boys. Thanks. Now now this is interesting though. Cast ematic is where this boost came from and it has a reply address in it. Oh, very cool can boost back to cast thematic addresses.

I love that he

tells me that it's into cast meta uses Alby so anybody using Albie should be able to

do let me tell you Eric P P. I know you're busy man. Bro, if I could get a reply button for boosts I would be replying all the time. By love that idea. Healthy unhealthy, Pat obviously. What? How cool would that be?

He's in the chat. Yes.

Yes. Man a few words. That's right. Yes, action item Eric TP put reply in the helipad. Oh,

he's he's working. He says I'm bashing my head against that code. Okay,

action items bash head against the code. No.

Ai removed that action item. Let's see. You've got to have friends and Belay that order. Okay, here we go. Blueberry 33 333 through. Blue CLI says channel enter trailer Narrator coming sunday live after no agenda. January 7 and the resurrection battle of the douchebags season two, episode one. Here we go again. reverb. Reverb reverb.

Wow. I can't wait for that. I'll I'll be around. I'll listen to it.

Okay, that's, that's it. We've literally got four boosts that other than the ones that arrived before the show. And well,

the comics or blogger has failed, I think.

Yeah, it failed to us. The other splits work. Yeah. Let me see if I can pull up his he sent. Yeah,

it was interesting. Because even credit because I'm getting other phone booths. I'm not sure why it failed. Then it did go and check. And we have no, I think fountain is now completely on Zebedee. So they probably close out the channel to us. And I said, Hey, could you open one and Oscar said he would ask Zebedee to open a channel to us. So it could have been a routing issue. I'm not sure I mean, the fountain should definitely have a channel open to the index.

Oh for sure isn't here like if they don't that's a real problem. We're like we're like

the routing Mecca. And we have you know, our fees are almost zero.

Well, yeah, I'm looking at he CSB in his screenshot, blanked out his message. Did you get it on the no

because believe it or not, my fiber went down I guess last night, around the time probably around midnight or something and I didn't notice that it was down until this morning. Now the beautiful thing about great and not great they it's almost perfect. I've started nine is my node. When if you unplug the ethernet and I wish it would be if there's no internet connection on the Ethernet but if you unplug the ethernet, it immediately goes towards a known Wi Fi network.

well, I got I was able to it did go through the fountain boost bot, so I'm able to see him as a comment. So

everything no yeah, of course. Yeah.

I want to give him credit. 33,000 SATs, says Howdy, David Adam. Hey there dear podcast listeners, I'd like to invite you to check out and subscribe to my blog, which features some hilarious cartoons, just head over to www dot CSB dot lol and get ready to laugh yo Yos ESP

and I just want to remind CSB that sometimes his his command of the English language comes across as a little bit harsh desert when you're criticizing the app developers, I mean, I've known him longer than I've known to have my wives you come across as a dick's have just you know, throw you know, when when you write something that's feedback, run it through chat GPT four, and say please make this sound friendly. Because that that's actually a good idea. I should probably do that.

Run it through there and then say, Do I sound like a dick? No,

no, no, no, just hold on a second. So this since you have a little time. Let me let me just move just we can try it right now. I don't have chat GPT four, but I have 3.5 but just find his his post where it was very mean. He was mean to Sam he was mean to Sam actually. Okay, he says Sam Sethi. I've

we can we put this somehow into podcast index dot social, so that when CSB posts and it detects negativity it will automatically do this but only for us him it still shows up

that's the new Bozo filter is you see it as your own nasty gram but it shows up for everybody else in a nice way that's a knob there's a use of AI I actually support hold on so I'm gonna I'm going to ask him right now friend friend defied with chat GPT paste to find with doesn't work because it's too long for the I don't have enough no for the

mean like this is this is a good because what will happen is just like this this app is crap this thing is worse piece of effing junk I've ever seen and what you get back from the developers like little hearts they're like some kind

what was the other one? He said he said something to Oscar Mayer This is funny

I think that was the one about the channel or something. Or no, no, I know what you're talking about is that the app gets broken.

Yeah, I wish I could find that one. I was hilarious. I can't find it that fast. Anyway, that's that's that or you know be could also could also be it could be just on the receiving side. You could just turn on make all posts friendly.

Yeah. You don't have a choice. Everything gets friend deferred. Yeah,

we're not done with that. Now. That's something that I would be okay with I wouldn't be fine with it oh here it is understandable way this was the deplorable that's what it was it was the deplorable yes and deplorable that get Alby is not offering okay I'm just deplorable that get Alby is not offering details in dashboard and an API message sender and message texts are calling a blah, blah blah. was a different post about deplorable. Anyway, I don't I don't remember exactly where it was.

Let's see ESPYS he's an AI guy he can he can he can figure it out. Yes.

That's the way to write his own script. That's the way to go. I think that that will be perfect. It's much better, much better that we do or do that

thing where you know how you know sometimes they have those bots where you can say where you can tag somebody else in the post and the bot will grab that post and do something with it. Yes, yeah. Friend, you can you see a nasty post from somebody. You can say friend to fight you can send it to the friend of five baht and it'll come back with the nice version. monthlies. Oh, yeah, we got pot, Brendan a pod page. $25. Thank you, Brandon. Over there, Paige. Appreciate that. Jesse $110.

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and if you don't we will turn them into nice words. Yes. With

with Chad GPT. Exactly. Yes. Wow. Okay, well, what are we got? Wow. 217 This is long.

Oh, whoa, we're, uh,

we're way over. We're way over. Alright. I will get the action items from the AI later and I'll I'll I'll have those ready for the next show.

I will predict and make a bold prediction that as of next week, none of these action items will be done. Exactly.

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