Episode 157: BEP5

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Oh, you put one in? Well, I

Stephen B added it to sovereign feeds. And I just added it and I need to ask you if because I put in of course, I put in our prep shows which is new media show and podcast weekly review. I put in no way no agenda since you know it's a big promoter of the podcasting tomorrow. Do you have any, anything you'd like on the pod roll?

Gosh, I have lots of things I would like on the I

mean, I can put in a million it just hit Add and keep and you know what's cool about it. You hit Add and it looks up in the end. I just love these little things. It looks up in the index. Just type in the podcast name it shows up you click Done. You don't have to do anything with RSS feeds. You just look it up. Click on it done.

It's beautiful. Well, let me look let me go inspect the said pod roll and see what see what you got in there. You got like

looking at our feed. Yeah, we're gonna feed that should be in the feed. I put it in the feed.

Sorry, I just saw that. I like looking in the feed every now and then because it's entertaining. Because you do things in here that I don't know about. Like what did I do? Like? Well, you did you have these blocks in here. Oh block. Apple block Spotify block Amazon.

Yeah. How well did that work as you can tell, but Apple just took our feet anyway. That really works. They don't

even honor their own block tag. So why would they honor anybody? Yes, true. I don't see the pod roll where? Oh, wait.

Thanks, Steven. B. You are You are the man you are the master you are the man I love you

bro knows yet. Yeah, he only got three and then we need to base that up. Yeah,

I mean, he didn't eat beef. Beef. Shake that up.

I mean, like, at least me know. What's the music and music show? Like?

Oh, yeah, this grandpa hadn't even hadn't even considered that. I mean, I could put all my shows in there but I put three in I figured you might have one but if you want me to add Bookstagram ball Okay, since you twist my arm

yet, but this your grandma wants to get started. Go to pod roll.

Oh, second. Oh, that show in front needs to go to are you doing

this live? Are you adding this line? He's sticking it in LA Can I

do that? Baby. I'm sticking it in live. Although that's dangerous. Something just happened here. Which is not good. I don't know. Yeah. Come on, man. Come on. Let me do it. sink in the feed sink in the feed show info pod roll. There it is three, add podcast, boom. Booster. Booster. We're gonna send

her another it's gonna web hook it and you're gonna send another live to everybody, which is fine, because you just get is gonna be like, everyone's gonna get double notified. Okay, so really seriously, you need to listen to this. Okay, that

double notification everybody.

Let me refresh in there, that there. That's what a beautiful

system.

Update a feed and it actually updated. Yes.

I want to get I want to thank the company ADIA for making all podcasts now value for value. I think that's fantastic. Great job.

I have no idea what you're talking about, oh,

audio is an app that uses AI. And when you subscribe to a podcast it it downloads the episode, then it uses AI to look for the ads and removes them for you. Which is all this which, which makes every single podcast value for value. Because if you come to the party guess I mean if you if you I mean if you want to support the podcast, you either don't use the audio app and listen to the ads or you don't care and you just haven't blocked it out. I mean, it's value for value. It's the same thing.

It is I didn't know what the effort didn't realize what the name of this thing was. But that's

not the name of the app the the name But the app is something else. I think I actually got the app that works as advertised. And so a couple things about this. First of what is the name of this app? What isn't? I

mean, wait, you did my understanding was they did not. They're not doing this on podcast yet. They're only there are they're only doing it on like radio.

Yes. You've worked on the radio stuff. Correct. Okay. All right. Well, that was your test. That was my test. Well, there's a couple things with this app. So just briefly on this app, which now I can't read, is it called Audio missing? Look at my fader, I thought it was called faders. In a fader. Yeah. Maybe fade with a DI D, our fader. So first, I just want to say they have music shows in there. I'd like to know how you do that. fader? How are you playing licensed music in

I shows like these

are they have they have they could have? Well, they have something called Music casts. Earlier name the thought long and hard about it. Yeah, they have music casts. And they have DJs plans, licensed music. I would love to know how they do that. They got 90s. They got all kinds of stuff. So I'd really like to know how you're paying for the rights on that. But if there's anything wrong with this company, and I'm this app is that I don't understand how they're doing. I'd like to know

What do I hear? Sorry, that's that was tapped on. Evidently, there's they're playing ice baby right now.

I don't know how they do that. Yes.

Yeah, good. But this this

is this is a very important development, because it shows that the end is here. There's been this unwritten agreement which by the way, all the time by I have to jump on Twitter, and defend podcast apps. Sam Sethi says I've set the time to 6:25am. local time. No, I haven't.

In sovereignty,

I have I said it with a live Yeah, I said it properly. She talking about is

12. One 625. Let me double check. 000 time, it's 625 UTC is what it said to her and yeah,

so isn't that correct? Yeah. Okay. Anyway. This was inevitable. It's just, um, I had this conversation I was being interviewed this morning, about advertising itself. The advertising is a race to the bottom, always on the internet, just looking banner ads, look at every other CPM. Because ultimately, there's no scarcity. There's no limitation on how many ads can run. So it's always going to run down to the lowest possible price. Always. And, and, you

If you can insert something somebody else can uninstall can can extract. Yeah, exactly. What's the opposite of insert? decirte somebody else can rip that out. Insert. Retract? Retract. Yeah, you can withdraw. Yes. That's so I had an interesting advertising. Sort of week this week. Oh. Well, I started. Here's a general problem I'm facing is that I've got so many podcasts. I can't listen to them all.

I mean, I'm here here. Yeah.

I got 20 hours of podcast dropping in my play in my podcast app a week and of what's out, maybe get out of control. It's out of control. We are absolutely responsible for you know, with these two hour shows that we do weird when we are aggressive.

Good work. Good work, good work.

But like I've got so much I can't listen to it. So I've been so behind on like pod, pod news weekly review and all these like, I'm not just so far behind. So I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna catch up. And, and I was listening to last week's show of pod news weekly review. And they interviewed Lisa Jacobs from, like, add results or something like that. I get all these names mixed up. Yeah. Sounds right. Okay, so I just want I just want to start this by saying this is not an attack on Lisa at all.

you mentioned when she talks like this.

No, no, no, that's actually not it. Oh, get a decent microphone. Oh, my gosh. The audio is

that yes, there's that.

So you're you are the brand. You are the representative of an advertising agency that's focused on podcasting. And you sound like you're in can? Yeah, yes. You sound horrible. Like, I don't understand how they let that out. Microphones are not expensive. You should be handed a decent microphone and audio interface is the day that you sign up for this job.

A pod my pod mic is all you need. It's got the processing you can stick your headphones and good to go. It's

perfect. The number of people I hear from advertising agencies and I listen to things like media roundtable which is Oxford road advertising agency now, they all sound horrible. They sound like their own the built in MacBook Air, Mike, it's it's so bad. Well, we've

had guests on this show where we had to go like what's wrong with you? Yeah, media Roundtable. I'm not so sure. Yeah. What's what really helped me? Don't just just don't do it. No, no, no, no, what helped me I got to subscribe to the media roundtable. I just I just started using a different app. I just, I just started using podcast guru and started from from scratch. It's like, what do I really need? What do I bring? Because I've got I mean, I have to. I mean, I think I've

you did the dust off and nuke it from orbit strategy.

Is that what that is dust off and nuke it? Well, that's a reference

to aliens, the movie Aliens. Use nuke your whole playlist and start over? Well,

so obviously I have my I have backups with my OPML and my you know, I can export the OPML. But I just look I look deep inside my soul and said, What do I want to listen to? Oh, it's Tuesday. That means my hatless in which I would have to say for some odd reason the pivot podcast is it's religious for me. I never missed the visit pop pivot podcast. I mean, I might drop out if the guests they have at the end is not

What was your work? Are you spinning you still spin? No, no, no, I'm

free weights baby. Oh, you pumping, pumping pumping iron? Oh, yeah. Yeah, no, you know that none of my clothes fit me anymore. Because you're too big or too small. No, my chest expanded.

Because you ripped.

I'm far from rips but also I stopped smoking over exactly a year ago. Pretty much so. But but it's it's not that I'm fat. It's just the working out. I mean, I knew what happened. I see. My my my goal is the if Joe Rogan invited me on again. I want to walk in I want to go curry What happened to you?

Give me your arm wrestling?

I don't think so.

You could stand easily to put on another 20 pounds

that No, no, no, not you. You haven't seen me. I

mean, I mean from the time I lost

205 Yeah, but you're six five When I was 189, so I put on a t stand for six. Yeah, it was anyway, every morning literally religiously because I walked the dog I say my morning prayers. And then on the way back, I listened to pod News Daily. That's it's perfect length. It's perfect in so many ways. And I can also like the practice forgiveness

base Ireland prayer,

pretty much. Of course, pod news weekly review, sometimes we'll come in late Thursday, which I did. But I always try to listen to that. And I think that's pretty much it me and then I have some other sporadic acts. But honestly, there's there's not much time left for other things. You know, I look forward to a drive into Austin, you know, from time to time because like, oh yeah, I can listen to a couple of

is the you know I'm I'm addicted. I'm addicted to club random with Bill Maher. I mean, I never miss an episode now. Oh, wow. That's not a hate. Listen. That's because because he's got he's got interesting

guests for sure. Yeah. And he's a he's a pretty,

I mean, he has his moments but he's pretty he tries to play it down the middle as much as he can he'll swerve you know, but of course, like we all

I'm always surprised by some how uneducated he is on certain things like Bill Maher, did you not know that?

That is so true. He did say something the other day he said he was like Whoa, did that. Did you not know this? Because he because he knows a lot. And then like how did how did you not have this? This whole has you have this hole in your knowledge? Yeah, but he had he had Margaret show. Do you know comedian? Yeah. So you had her on as a guest.

A couple of EPS where she been? I haven't seen her in a long time.

I don't really know. Evidently she's like, works all the time. They work yeah. But um, he had her on. And I thought I knew who she was. But I actually I made it through the whole episode. The the first part of the episode is kind of not my, how long are these things? A couple hours tasteful? No, they're not. They're usually like an hour and a half. 15

once a week or multiple times a week? Couple of times a week. Oh,

yeah. And but he like he had to take Candace Owens on that was a fun one because they they battled and then they would battle again. I'll bet ya had a big debate about the moon landing. It

was pretty funny. Now I gotta go listen to it. Oh, you hadn't heard it. I was testing. That's fantastic. She believer in

I don't know what she really would say she was kind of him hauling around. She wouldn't commit. But, so he had Margaret's show on and I was like, you know, I think I think I know who this is. And so I started looking up. Jump on YouTube. And I look up Margaret Cho. And I was like, Huh, okay, well, what is I haven't I don't know that I've ever seen her

This is Yeah, this is a Pabst Blue Ribbon. acolytes light. That's right.

So she scroll down and I'm like, I'm like, Oh, this is weird. And there's like some, some pretty sketchy thumbnails of some sick stuff on here on YouTube on YouTube with me looking at Margaret Cho stand up, keeps rolling.

It turns out it's a porn move. It's like a position doing a Barbie Margaret show. Hey, man, I'm doing a Margaret Cho stand up. Oh, wow. That's a tough one. That's

a version of the Margaret Cho. Yeah, the standard variant. Yeah. So like, and then before I scroll down a little further, and dude, I'm telling you, it went off the rails. It was full on. Like, I had to close the browser fast because I was afraid that that like, I was gonna get a knock on the door. Wow, it was it was shocking. The type of porn is coming

from a guy who rips a chair roosters head off with his bare hands. So it was Shari Yeah. Yeah,

it was scary. And I was it. I figured that all that kind of stuff makes it onto these platforms at some point.

Oh, no, it's it's in the algos. Dude, it was

disgusting. And I mean, like, I don't know if this was pedo. I don't know what this was. But I was like, I was like, Oh my god. So in there's advertising against this?

Oh, yeah. I had this same experience with with tick tock, which I don't have the app. But I installed the app, because apparently I was going viral for something. I was like, Okay, I'll go take a look. And I opened the app right away, I get one of those. Right away. First thing first install, boom. And I'm like, nope, delete. I'm done. I'm good. Nope, no, thank you. Unbelievable. And then we wonder what's wrong with our young men in the world. And

so this made me I had seen this, this article headline earlier. So I went back and looked, and it was the I think I sent it to you. Maybe it was the article about? Yeah, no, I did, um, about the Google advertising network, the search partner network, and how they monetize. They put ads against all this horrible content. Yes, yeah. Now, of course, they they go political and put Breitbart in their analysis. But if you get past that part and actually dig into that report, it is like

That was from AD analytics. That's what that was from. Yes. Yeah. That is.

It's a very long report. But it is worth going through because he sees he goes step by step. And shows you examples of like, the F, like, it'll have a, a website for like, you know, who knows, like ISIS. And there will be an FBI. ad for a job opening right there on the ISIS page is your artificial

intelligence right there makes no sense. Or

it'll be some like, hardcore porn thing. And there'll be an ad, you know, right there for like, you know, some TV show. He's like, so that this was the experience I had with advertising this week, I was like you, this is the idea. It rang a bell with me when you said what you said earlier? About the like, the inventory, like draft to zero. I wonder if some of this brand safety stuff is an attempt to artificially artificially reduce at ad space to keep the CPMs from going? Oh,

that's a good that's a very good point. It's still not true. Because because you can still, you know, how, how many ads do you want? You know, how much the how much inventory Do you want? We just create more it'd be for every podcast download, you download, you stop and we started could have a different ad. I mean, it's, it's endless, but it will it will. It will limit it to some degree. Yes. That's an interesting angle. I don't even know if, if that's purposeful.

Because you could say if you looked at at all the digital ad space as a pie, and you say, Okay, well, we want the bigger we have to preserve our section of pie or enlarge it somehow. We need to the only way to do it is to reduce the inventories do reduce the ad space. And what we definitely want to get a twofer. Yeah. By taking it away from our political competition or whatever that is. Yeah. But it seems just in general, but of course brand safety doesn't. It doesn't actually that is so

interesting. You bring that up, because just this afternoon, I was listening to my hatless and, and Professor Scott Galloway, professor in marketing. He he said that, the the end here's the sick thing about this Elan situation, is that because of all these advertisers pull out, a smaller advertiser will get a much larger return on investment for the time being, because there's just because there's much less ad dollars competing for the space.

No, there you go. That's, that's almost confirmation that yes, at least something to do. And

I just don't know if it's purposeful. I know.

It may be one of those things where it wasn't purposeful at the beginning, but then they see a bump every time and they keep doing it.

Like yeah, yeah. That's very, that's an interesting angle. So you're giving them a lot of credit? I

am. The brand safety thing is so obviously, a red herring. Even case in point is this. This on the media episode that mean you texted about the other day? Oh, my

goodness, I got five, five clips from that. No agenda that was so unhinged people hearing things that are not even there. It was great.

It was like it was, I think it was a couple of days ago was the Africa during the title of it was all about Trump. And so it was like some body took. When future archaeologists attempt to understand Trump derangement syndrome, this episode of On the media will be their Rosetta Stone. That is, it's like somebody took Trump derangement syndrome, distilled it, purified it into liquid for 20

minutes and put it into 20 minutes. It was in a special episode no less.

When you're high on liquid Trump derangement syndrome. This is your favorite train. That's what it sounds like. True in? Do you remember a single advertiser from that episode?

Well, I am. So I have pretty much eliminated advertising for my life that I had used. I've used the piehole for years. So I really between my piehole and brave browser, really very little gets through, you know, graphene OS. So there's much less stuff being tracked and trying to be recommended to me through other arenas I get, I never see an ad

Yeah. Well, yeah, the that the fader thing. I'm like you it just, it was inevitable. I mean, come on everybody. This is we could all sit down for a little while this is, I mean, even before AI, this before AI, lots of people had lots of ways that they had come up with to do this exact thing.

How about a DVR bit started with DVRs? Like, oh, I recorded the show, or let's walk, let's start watching the show at five after the hour. So when the ad comes on, I can fast forward through it. Everyone's done that it's a broken model is some of it still works. I mean, I'm not against commerce and advertising. It just doesn't seem to be working anymore. When it's when you're in this environment. I

think that's the difference. Like the advertising model. It all it only it only worked up into the point. Up until the point where there was a digital were became digital. Yeah. TiVo? Yeah, the digital ecosystem. And the advertising model. Just they just don't work together.

Or even there's VHS. I mean, that's when it really started. You

as soon as you can control in an automated way. What the what the content is? It's just it's your it's a complete collapse. Yeah. And you can't stop it because it just the same way that you can't stop. You know, that you can spam filter. I mean, think about it that way. spam filtering is just weeding out advertising.

Yeah. Thank you. It's exactly what it is. When

I don't want to, I want to use an email, my email. But I don't want to see ads for Viagra. So I spam filter because we already have a subscription. And this is just not smart. That's just dumb advertising. It's called Pfizer blue.

Is that the new thing? Pfizer blue? Is that what it's called? The dollars a

month you get out? Yes. I agree.

That's a deal. ffice eyes are

blue. You get the blue check. The blue V like the so this is have been happening for you. Let me go a little bit further than that on that on ad blocking. Because ad ad blocking. I don't for most most people's interaction with ad blockers is that they don't like seeing a bunch of ads on the internet when they browse so they install an ad blocker. That's like the normal view and you user you know what control like a rent roll control residential? Yeah, that's that's

True, and I and I'm old enough to remember the first ad blockers popping up in web browsers. Adblock I think, and I remember I was in the advertising space at the time. And not not with with web ads, per se, but I had commercial clients who were involved in a lot of this. And you know, that the industry got together and well we have to deal with they had whitelisting acceptable ads, you know, quote unquote, acceptable ads, all this stuff. It never works. It none of it

I don't remember that. Oh, yeah. When

I think that was when Napster was around

Yep. They want to they wanted to have a tax on hard hard drives.

Yeah, cuz you were storing your music on it. Yeah, I bet a bit that actually musi was it. Hard Drive music.

I didn't remember that about the cassette tapes.

Oh, yeah. Oh, all blank media had be private copy levy There you go. Copy lead also known as blank media tax government mandated scheme in which a special tax or Levy, this charge on purchase of recordable media history Let me see your Europe of course European have they had that? In Belgium Oh well, I guess it hasn't gone away entirely in Belgium a fee is charged on both blank media and recording equipment, which is passed on to Ovie Bell, which is in charge of

I had no this is a revelation to even

have oh, yeah, in Finland. It's four euros for memory cards up to five or memory devices up to 512 megabytes. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

So do the phone like, do phone manufacturers also pay this like an iPhone or an Android device or Lord knows,

I don't even know if it's still in play. But this, this was one of the solutions. I don't think these prices are in play, because you can get for 36 euros, you can get a lot more than that kind of space these days. I mean, cases the cost of what they are. But there's always been, you know, so you

no, yeah, I can I can confidently say that. A podcast like this, which is a podcast about this a podcast about not just this is not a podcast about podcasting. This is a podcast about something very specific, very. The Bucha is a boy a one single open source project within podcasting. I mean, that is niche upon niche upon niche, there is no way that this show will ever be able to provide us a living wage is just not it's just not going to happen. So

successful, I think, yeah, at

least

if you if you're looking at this podcast, according to OP three dot dev in the last 30 days, how many downloads Do you think we've had? What do you think?

For the like the last episode,

not in the last 30 days?

How many downloads? Yeah. Oh, I'm gonna say to 10,000 5694

this year. Yeah. As in November, our unique audience was 5458. And I just use these numbers because that's the best numbers we got. Is that op three? That's op three. Yeah. Yes.

That that these numbers are coming down, man, that all yes, that are going on. These numbers are hilariously coming down. Because we were at 13,000. I know. We were two months. We're knocking it out of the park. But this was probably the true number the whole time, you know, or something closer to it. This is funny, man. This whole thing is just the advertising and podcasting. It's just so distasteful to me, is so distasteful. It's I'm gonna have to stop listening to this stuff.

I Okay. I won't go that far because I just I've been in this business. I understand it. I ended Stand up much better than people may even give me credit for. I left the business on purpose, and took a huge leap to change my life. And it's done more than just change. My Media has changed my life. It's how I live my life. And I'm just the money router. You know, it's like, I'm giving away money left and right. Oh, you got to open source project, boom. Oh, you mean next cloud? Yeah, I use

I'm like, the only guy I know that pays for signal. No, I

donated a signal. Sure, sure. Of course, of course, you got to otherwise one day, it'll go away. It goes away. That's right. And then finally, you know that now that Amazon Web Services is charging for public ipv4 addresses. ipv6 is no but ipv6 is here. It's it's going to change things. It's going to change all of this. And I just feel bad for people who desperately hold on to this stuff. The

the pipe, the reason I say it's slimy is because the podcast advertising is, is what is driving at 90 miles an hour. And there's a cliff about Yeah, often the distance and it's just heading straight for it. And the whole time up into the very last moment, when the front wheels go an inch off into the to, you know, to space, they're going to continue to tell everybody that revenues up revenues up, revenue is up, we got better targeting, we got this, we got that. And then you're going to just be

And then, you know, while we're on this, and I'm pretty sure this started on noster. But um, I won't blame them per se, is zapped for zap vertising was, Oh, wow. So these are companies that will get your lightning address. You know, like,

this is what Sam was? Yes. So which of

course is Bo you get it right off of nostre. That's the easiest way. You know, this is what Al B and and fountain mio requested. And we changed in the namespace so I can have you know, [email protected]. So now, all of that's being trolled. But, of course, as being scraped out of feeds, I'm sure but the easiest place because people are using it actively this way. With Ellen URL pay is noster. And so now people are receiving, you know, one to five sat payments with an ad in it.

That think that's great. I mean, all day long,

I think I think it shows that. You know, in a way it shows that noster and even the Lightning Network are solutions. Looking for problems? To make any sense.

Yeah,

I mean, this This to me is just it's gotten so bad. That now all that your noster zap thing is good for is to receive SMS advertising, spam, spam, spam, spam, spam, as bad. Now, you know, everyone's going to have to now I'm with you to a degree on like, well, if you're going to send me 1000 SATs make it more interesting. But you know, now we want us to go build filtering for that. So it's still intrusive,

but depends on how much you're you know, it depends on how much you're worth. I mean, if you if you look at my you know, look, I can look off into the future on this thing and say, Okay, well, somebody sees our show sees our pod roll with various shows in it. They look at our mp3 which is public. And they say okay, well this do these people have this issue has 5000 sat 5000 downloads they have there, they seem to align

that that's what's missing. Yeah. And I run my own node, I get nose advertising, but I don't have a single one. Single

Why have any?

I haven't looked. I don't even think I have any on Alby. And before, I only have one Albion, one block these days. But you know what, now now, we do need filtering for that, and I love helipad, because helipad will just won't show it to me. If it's not in a TLV record. I'm not going to see it. It's just I don't know.

It's like this is this is all floundering is what this? Yeah,

that's okay. There's there's a good term floundering. It's just floundering. Hey, I had an idea. This may be a weird thought. Because again, you know, YouTube, the Doom podcast is great. Is it weird of me to think that the even if it's HTML embedded HTML code, is that wrong? As an enclosure on a feed?

An HTML enclosure?

Yeah, like an embed code. So. So instead of fighting YouTube, which I don't really care, but if you want to be on YouTube, so you know, the way I wanted to seek where there's zagging, So YouTube is saying, Give us all your RSS belong to us. And we're going to, we're going to ingest it and there's no and then once we have it, screw your RSS entry. We have it. Okay, now, if I just wanted to put my YouTube video into my RSS feed as an enclosure, does it necessarily mean an enclosure

is it can be anything with a MIME type.

So could it be just an embeddable YouTube code that just pops up within the app? Because the app says, Oh, this is a YouTube? I mean, does it have to use? You understand what I'm saying? Like the HTML

like that you're talking about when you get one of those HTML fragments? Yeah.

Yeah. Like a web, a web clip, a web snippet? Because the only reason why YouTube wins at this game is because of all the obvious things they solved, which is a compatibility across all browsers, and storage and bandwidth. So why wouldn't we just you know, because I still want my metadata around it. What's wrong with embedding a YouTube video making a YouTube video and enclosure? Easy for apps to understand?

Yeah, they would just spawn a WebView to show it. Yeah. It's,

I mean, I have no religious, you know, like, any, any RSS versus downloadable media. reason to not think that's legal. From a technical standpoint. No,

I mean, it's totally laid out the only thing that they could do only thing that YouTube could do would be they could begin to block a showing it based on the referrer header. Yeah, well, of course, we're not gonna allow this, but I mean, that's, that's a cat and mouse game. Yeah.

I mean, you can get around that eventually. And you know, and sometimes, yeah, I mean, would there be a course issue may be I don't know. I'm just throwing out some terms. I have no idea what they mean. I just hit me. It's like, you know, YouTube is a YouTube music. Although James Cridland loves it. He says a pretty it's a pretty good podcast that what if I just want my podcast app, but I just want to add Theo, Vons YouTube video feed, and he just creates a feed is called

Yes, yeah. I mean, I was still say, why wouldn't because I think I think we're

in this weird space. We're being complicated about them being the app. No, they're just the storage in the end the bandwidth people. That just because it's just because it's a you know, it's streams like I stream all my NP threes. I mean, yeah. Will you be able to view it as a download? Maybe I mean, you can get there's lots of apps that that help you download the actual video from YouTube maybe can implement that.

Yeah, it would. So yeah, there's like as far as violating any specs. It doesn't, right? No, no, no, not at all. Because we, we used to do this in the freedom controller where we would do exactly as enclosures, we would put HTML, yes, enclosures. And so then the HTML, the enclosure, when the when the, when the news river saw the HTML enclosure, it would include it as a as, as a embed in the post. And

I will, I'm willing to bet with you, which I won't, but I'm willing to bet that YouTube would once YouTube sees, oh, you know, everyone's using our YouTube videos, which they can easily put an ad in front of if they want to. I mean, you can't really stop that per se, although you could. But once it's embedded, I mean, they could choose the route, they could choose the route of no will block all podcast apps. I have a feeling they might say, well, who cares? It's more distribution for us.

Yeah, I mean, they don't really block anything nowadays. Do they?

Know the only thing I get is like, you can't know this. The owner won't let you view this as an embedded video, which is an owner setting. But I think everything else embedded anywhere, just play it plays on Mastodon, the history, plenty of plenty of people put that. So why wouldn't we just have that? I mean, let's not be jihadist about this, you know, it's like

so the way the freedom controller did this was it would you have when you saved an article, you if you were on a YouTube video, you would say even in you chose to save that article in your database in your in your archive, the or you chose to microblogging, but back to your micro blog. Whichever way you did it, it would pull the embed code for that YouTube video out here you go included as the enclosure with a with a

how does this work with peer tube? When when you get a peer tube? Isn't it exactly the same thing?

Peer tube, peer tube has native support for podcasting 2.0 alternating closures. And so what's the MIME type? The MIME type for it is HLS.

Okay, right. Gotcha is now. Okay, while we're on this. So let's say new media show goes live. And I have an option, maybe it's a third feed, and the option is the live YouTube feed. But I can still stream my sets per minute to them, I can still boost them. I'm just getting the I'm just getting the stream from YouTube. I'm telling you, we've been looking at this all wrong. We need to turn it upside down and

as well. This is exactly what people did to SoundCloud and archive.org do to just upload your Why don't you just upload your stuff to there right

that's right. Yeah, but as we get closer Yes. And people still do that. I think for

Yeah, for sure that I don't know how you can get I don't know what the street if they Do HLS or whatever he gets some sort of native type of thing? I don't care, just the

embedded player. Yeah, I don't care that I have to start it by clicking on it or tapping on it. That's fine. As long as long as I can, as long as I can stream SATs. Thank you very much YouTube for the free bandwidth and free hosting.

I agree. Yes. This is a good idea. I like this. It was

it just hit me. It's like why are we fighting these guys? Why do we have to beg for them to Oh, please YouTube, IP, take all of our information, take a metadata, please let me change the URL, just I'll throw it into a channel. I'll throw it into a channel. I don't need your thinking RSS ingestion. Just let me have a channel. And then boom, I'll add those links into my feed.

That don't see why that wouldn't work. As a matter of fact, we should test it.

I would like to test it. Steven Be programming already

done, sir. He's

already got it done yet. Steven B

is what he beats. Yes. I think it's I think it's worth I think it's worth looking at it because it'd be flip it around. us use the use the free host. Hey, why not?

I just see, Justin, you can get the benefit of YouTube. You know, there's definite benefits to YouTube if you like it. If you want to play the YouTube game, that's fine. And then you put right there and every single one of your descriptions. Subscribe to us on a podcast app. Yeah, did you find did you find us on YouTube, click here to you know, to subscribe in pod verse. Click here to subscribe and curio

You go one step further, you can say like an a podcast host. Sign up for a podcast hosting. And next a,

where's your where's your YouTube channel?

When I'm at the YouTube channel, they suck. They suck in the content, convert it to mp3, and now you're in. Now you're Native.

All kinds of things can be done here. But we're looking at the one wrong way. They need us more than we need them.

That like that is yes. And they know it.

They know it. They'd love to have the dedicated podcast listeners and viewers. They love it. Why not? They we give them free audience instead of how can we please be a part of your audience and recommendation engine? Hey, you know what, I'm gonna let you enjoy my audience for free. I'm not going to charge you YouTube for free. It

struck me the other day that I think I finally figured out this whole what is a podcast, you know, debate? I mean, the I mean, we're obviously we know what a podcast is. On a technical level. It's the notes. It's an enclosure in an RSS feed. But that's the on a purely technical level. But I think I've finally figured out what the confusion is amongst the general public. To, to the average person. A podcast is, is some people talking to each other? And microphones with headphones?

Yes. Yes. That's the podcast. CO

Vaughn show is is hot cast. Yes. Not because of anything other than the fact that he has headphones on and he's talking to somebody into a mic. God, what I'm what, that's what it is. I would love

for him to say, yeah, subscribe to the YouTube channel or wherever you get your podcasts. Seriously? Yeah.

Everything people are wearing headphones and mics that are connected. They do things because they want to be a podcast.

Oh, yeah. There's lots of people do fake like a fake podcast setting to make it look like they're serious about something or they're important because they were interested in a podcast is just fake. It's not even a real podcast is the names of those. When

you say where do you listen to your podcasts? It's not people are think they think in their head. Okay, what podcast or listen to? Oh, yeah, here's in a, they think about all the shows where there's people talking into microphones with headphones on. And they're like, I think I see a lot of that on on YouTube. Yeah, YouTube. That's what it is. Like, there's no, there's lots of things that are podcasts like

Yeah, I mean, I'd like to I'd like to work on this. I think this would be fantastic. I mean, we were going to this whole exercise which is kind of funny in a way. This whole exercise with Ainsley Costello and just loud. And I'm, by the way, I love you Dolby Das, I love you, blueberry, you guys are my heroes, for the first time in my life. And I've been doing this for 30 years, that I don't have to be involved in getting something set up at a venue and people get me

Yeah, it's just that nobody, it's just that everybody would choke on the HTML

code because no one's set up for it. Because they're not set up for it. But I mean, why not? It's just another enclosure type.

Yeah, that's where I'm at. I'm in time, I will

stream video from this show. But from my, from my

from my hand from my end. That is boy, no, you're not going to do that. If if

a podcast app sets up a YouTube Live, you know, include as an enclosure, I will publish this as an enclosure on the lit tag. I will have multiple of course, but so that people can watch me do the show.

Do I get if this happens? Do I get to criticize you for being distracted? Of course,

because the show will suck it will devolve into it

will devolve into Rails

I'm um, it just seems like we're looking at this the wrong way. We have some religious belief, quote unquote, religious belief that it has to be a downloadable thing. No, it doesn't. It doesn't it

won't mean especially not for live. I mean, that's, that's never downloadable. Anyway, some of

the biggest companies and organizations in the world use YouTube as their video provider. And they embed videos all over their site for their conferences, all this stuff all the time.

Now I will get religious on it. I will get sort of religious on the downloadable part because I fight a lot with streaming. Some there's some aspect of my life where I walk through stairwells and elevator elevator elevators and I go in and out of Wi Fi range to such a such a degree that apps the stream only and don't download just they just fall down all the time, and it's very aggravated. Sure. So the downloadable part to me is pretty

important. But that okay, but are you actually watching in the elevator? Or are you listening in the elevator listening use the use the mp3 stream, the mp3 feed? If that's is that simple, more use the alternative feed whatever, whatever, whatever the app goes with. I'm with you mean doesn't happen very often to me, in fact, very infrequently Do I Do I have an interruption in my stream? Because I'm an older guy now. So sometimes the stream is interrupted.

You need medic medication.

Back to Pfizer blue. It's it just Oh, that's interesting. Ice Cube soup says this opens up the possibility to adding value for value to live Twitch streams. Yes. More even X. I mean, you still get what you pay for. Let's be honest about it. You can be deep platformed you can be all kinds of bad stuff can happen to you. But why fight it? It's there. It's free. These guys literally want you to use it. Or why shouldn't I have an embedded dip? I don't think Twitter

Well, Soundhound already does this. Do you know that Soundhound No, I don't think yes. Sound sound Hound is the app that I think started this whole thing of being able to you open the app, tap the listen button, and it hears the song and tells you which one what it is. Oh,

yeah, yeah. Yeah, of course. I know. This. I'm looking at now. Yes. Yeah.

So the Soundhound does this already. It? It will. It'll tell you what the song is. And they'll say do you want to listen to it? Play in it plays the YouTube version of the song in the in their app as an as an embed. There you go. So clearly, these these small these embeddable web views are possible. Yes. I think this as an alternate enclosure. Yeah.

Yeah. In fact, ultimate enclosure, perfect weight and perfect way to test it.

Yeah, yeah. All right. And then you just have the right you have the right to a man type. And then we can be we'll be done by the end of the day,

and then solve the biggest problem. Yeah, YouTube, the other podcast, as long as it's in my podcast app. So what is a podcast? Something that shows up in my podcast app?

There's your Yes. There's your Yeah, that's the answer. That's the answer. So YouTube. Yeah. As a YouTube video, some shows up on YouTube. A podcast is something shows up in my podcasts Exactly.

solves that problem.

I mean, it let's, let's face reality here. But, you know, I think we timed the podcast, podcast index. Well, I

mean, obviously, that was us. was,

I think, I think the timing was was was fantastic, for many reasons. But but one is because it's obviously the podcast apps are hurting, like, with Castro is shutting down.

Well, we've we have thrown Castro wasn't using value for value. Yeah,

yeah. And the pod podcast app, the podcast, app space is shrinking. And I think there's clear clearly anything that can be done to that's what our mandate is, our mandate is to help podcast apps. And anything that that does, that is fair game. And I think we're, I mean, that makes a lot of sense. Because then you got, you know, immediately you have a different bill. Okay, I want to watch this. There's this. This pot, you know, this quote unquote, podcast that is on YouTube that

Been. I should probably go through a few booster grants because people are responding very, very passionately. So we'll start with blueberry 11,111 I'm positively stoked for the just loud and Ainslie show seen a lot of shows in my time, like this. A lot. This one. This is one of them getting pumped for guar. I feel a wellspring of joy and valley brewing. I'll be rebroadcasting the live show through BTS B 40s. feeds and would encourage other lit

that's already been solved. Yeah. Because they they they keep state you know, while you're listening, if stacks those those transactions up and then the next time you come online, it batches those things. And since those labs already do that,

by the way, Steven B says Sorry, guys. 1234 Or five sets, um, deer hunting this weekend, maybe next weekend. Okay, all right, then. Well, I will I'll take a little bit of venison from you. I'd rather have venison than code this week. Just even be. Anyway, it seems like something we should just do. And I agree with you. Our mission is to help podcast apps. But I think we've done pretty well. So So far, and this solves the biggest problem. What is a podcast? It's in a podcast

There was a lot of that.

A lot of that. Yeah, I know. I got it. You know, we're not pretending like we invented something here. But you know, there's a time it's all about timing. I have I have come up. I invented YouTube. 10 years too early. Okay. So it's not how it works.

We all invented lots of things. But

Alex gates turned me on to something, which I think you saw as well. Or maybe not. P car. Have you seen P car? PDA? AR AR?

Yeah, I saw. I saw that. And I'm struggling to understand it. Okay,

well, I got it right away. And it's working perfectly for me. So, PK, what's the what's the URL? Okay, p k a. r r.org. I'm gonna put this into the into the chat here. Yes, Eric PPAP, Cor p car.org. Now, if you know I generated a P car, and this goes to DHT. So it's distributed hash table, I guess that's, you know, magic space in that space. So if you Kademlia is what that is. So if you go to I just pasted my predetermined. What is that call? What would you call that? Gets the D ID or

wait and pasting this into a browser? No, it

was first. Yeah. First you go to app dot p car.org. Yeah. And then you see what I posted in the post. Copy that key K colon, and then you go to the resolve tab, you paste that. Paste it in? And then what is the chewy? Okay. Let's see. Resistant name and a value pair. Was it not working? Works for me?

Did I paste it room? Cause Oh, what is that? Okay. Well, it does who had technical difficulties on the site? Oh, oh, it came with Mr. character in the copying out of IRC which is great.

It's, it's not high tech. Okay. Yes.

Why am I getting this weird thing? Okay. What?

You're going to the resolve tab, right? Yeah.

Okay, here. Here we go. No agenda podcast. Yeah. And there's the there's.

So I mean, that's a very, I can paste that into a feed. And that is now my unique ID for the no agenda podcast. This is DNS is exactly the same thing. Okay,

the part I was struggling to understand. Yeah, the part I was struggling to understand is the D Kademlia. Part, the DHT space. Because that fits in, like, what this is fits in? Well, because we're the vision that we had is is a DHTs space for the index. So I mean, this this, and we're using live p2p. Yes.

And it has it runs on relays. So you know, obviously we need to we need to have relays but

Well, I think the relays if I'm the the length that I got to with my understanding of this of of Kademlia was that the relay is that that is the DHT space that bit torrent nodes use. So I think, Okay, this is the this is the part I did not understand is I don't know if that means that all Bit Torrent nodes would be inherent P core compatible nodes.

This I don't know, but I have no

that's where I that's where I got lost is because it's the same. It's the same protocol. So it's, it's possible that The Bitcoin that sound the Bitcoin, the BitTorrent network is, is an a, you know, like, this is an overlay on top of that. And if that's the case, then I mean, that's a robust thing.

I think it's someone's, please stop DMing me on IRC. When people do that, it's, it looks very robust. And if it comes from Alice gates, it's already pre approved. Yeah,

right, it comes with the seal. And

you can add record, you can add multiple records into your key. So you can have all kinds of interesting stuff in there. And then anybody can run a deep this DHT relay. Clearly, it's working. They do have a caveat here that says, you need to republish your records every hour or so otherwise, there'll be dropped from DHT. While I haven't republished anything, and it's still working after several days, so I'm not sure about that part of it. But it's not like

For sure. I really need to know where the nodes are. Because if we have to bootstrap these nodes, that's a diff. It's not a it's not a deal killer. It's just that we like that's a pretty big thing to know. C says native native application can directly query and verify signatures signed records from DHT from the DHT. If they are not behind Nat, was check

this out existing applications on aware of P car, make normal DNS queries over HTTPS to P car servers. Whoa, whoa,

this is P car, we'll use mainline DHT as the Overlay Network. Specifically bid 44 for storing femoral arbitrary data. 44

Oh my God, that's great. What does it mean?

That's your favorite bit. Of

all the BEPS 44 is the one that just tickles me pink. Yeah,

cuz here's this is mainline DHT is the name given to the Kademlia based can distributed hash table used by Bit Torrent clients to find peers via the BitTorrent protocol. It's

a bit torn out is the BitTorrent hash base. You're right. Yeah. So

I guess that's, that's really my question is I need to figure out if that means that these that that's where this, these if that's where all this these key value pairs are being stored? Yes,

I think so. It looks like it. Okay. Yes. It's, it refers to bet five. She remember that one. Okay.

Everybody remembers that? She was crazy.

That five min good times with bet five days.

That chick was nuts.

Remember, she told us about BEP? Six? Oh,

that's right. Eric. off the hook. Yeah, no, this is this is good. This is this is good. Because we writing

this guy has gotten me excited when I was able to do this myself on a web page, like Okay, I just created this, I just basically created a whole podcast DNS record, which can be referenced over DNS for a non for non BEP, 44. Client, whatever that means.

When so whatever happened with with the IPFS streaming, that that was falling down the last time.

Now I'm still on IPFS.

We had that there. Were there. There were hiccups. There

were issues. Yes. It was course was a core issue that was introduced, then it was at was about thought a lot about IPFS podcasting.net, which I still use. It no longer has that long delay before it starts it there is a little bit of a delay. Been maybe a couple seconds sometimes depending on, you know how many nodes etc. It works fine. The weakness, of course, is IPFS podcasting. dotnet no offense, Cameron. If that goes down, the whole thing falls apart.

Sure. So because that's the router.

That's the I mean, and I still admit, obviously, it seems to be difficult for apps to implement for IPFS nodes in their apps. So we're using gateways. Right now. All IPFS podcasting dotnet goes through a gateway that I pay for, which is fine. That's

what rss.com was. Was

there. Maybe they may be doing some round robin. Yes. I

think Alberto was was right. Yes. Yeah. Big node. Yeah, but

at least it's not going through ipfs.io Oh anymore, that's the main thing. So, and boy, I'll tell you how many emails I now I'm starting to notice, like, I'll hover over the link that they want me to click some, some, some kind of spam stuff and right there ipfs.io Now this is used for all kinds of nefarious stuff. So on our gateway only podcasts work only those MIME types, you know, so that's, that's the Mark did a great job on that.

It was a wish mark, it would be great. If Mark could write up what he did. He

actually has written it up, I just got to ask him to publish it somewhere. I've seen a write up be posted some stuff on social about it.

Because we yeah, we I would love to see what his what his final architecture was. And so that it could just be sort of wrapped up and replicated to who else would wants to run it? Sure. Yeah. Cuz because that I mean, ultimately, the if we, if we push into this to this DHT idea, that could also you know, function in that way. I mean, you you could the the enclosures themselves could be also, you know, references to

So this DHT over DNS is sexy stuff. Sexy? Yeah. So you can resolve one of these PK DHT keys over a DNS query.

Yeah, it has Yeah, this says this must be the case because it says this 10 million node DHT with a 15 year track record. Yeah, that's exactly it. Nothing else would come close to that I wanted to not be

and you know, add DNS on top of that, which has a lot of, you know, assuredness as to validity is beautiful.

Yeah, like that. Yeah, I like that a lot. I wonder. And he's trying to get Alex back on. Talk about no rim brainstorm some stuff. Yeah. I'm not doing my job as a booker very well, no,

no, you suck. You're terrible, sir. No. And by the way, I wanted to mention that Andrew Gromit has now the Andrew grommet is putting together all this progressive web app stuff on his GitHub and he posts about it on on podcast index dot social, this it he's building this kind of like as a fallback for when it all goes to crap and the apps are no longer possible.

it break glass, break

break glass in case of emergency. I really appreciate that. And you saw the orbit DB stuff, right? I'm just bringing I did yeah. Yeah, I did. So that's that is that may be something viable to distribute the whole index? It's

it's possible, as I say that usually the issue with most of those distributed databases is that they are, like it said, eventually consistent, which is basically all no SQL databases are eventually consistent as well. That's not that's not something that we could just shift the database to know that we re architected to live on that. Yeah, because eventual consistence negates the possibility of having a table

we got I think we have other stuff to do first. Well, I

think the hold back on that would be we would need to architecture that based on what the interface would be. So if the interface is going to be DHT or something like something along those lines. Because, okay, once you do that, here's what I'm trying to say. Once you do that you have to have you've essentially entered the same problem space as IPFS. Right, you now need you need a you need a gateway into that thing. So the gateway, is it going to be HTTP? I mean, the best probably

Right? That's Yes. That's, that's the big one. Yeah.

Because it mean, well, you if you.

So we built this whole distributed architecture, and Dave still runs it. Yeah, that's what I want to not do. Keep drinking those beef milkshakes. We got to keep Dave alai que da keep Dave alive.

That's, that's what I Yeah, that's what I want to not do. Because I think we all want to get away from that. Yeah. Well, as

if to restate kind of the mission that we're on, you know, we have given independent podcast apps a place to feed on to live from that. And I feel really good about that. If you're solid, we have a little bit of money in the bank to keep it running. If everything falls down, and B we've got code distributed database distributed. We're still a vulnerability in the whole mix, obviously. And it'll

And our exit is rest. Yes. Well, for you, man. for you today. Now. Yeah,

for you mainly well.

So that's, that's something we need to discuss real quick. I mean, I know we're, we're getting on in the show now. But like we need to talk about Elon pay. Oh, yeah. Go for him. Yeah, Tim. People may not know this, but we've been right running an LM pay node to support like, you know, what you might call legacy wallets for a while we've been paying for it. Yeah, we pay a lot. I mean, we pay $450 a month for him to for Tim case, hosting fees to run this node for us.

the value for value, what we bootstrapped was a bootstrap. Yeah.

So we went from sphinx to Ellen pay in the beginning. Lm pays node had problems. And Tim said, you know, hey, there's a lot of traffic coming through this thing, y'all. Y'all are killing it on the on the podcasting 2.0 stuff. So really, we need to split this off into a separate node. So we were like, Yeah, sure, you know, we'll pay for that. We started paying him to run a node dedicated just to podcasting 2.0 stuff. And it hosted, you know, hosted a bunch

it for us it was just bootstrapping and we're happy to be out of the game for sure.

And he decided that he's like you know what I'm this is not never going to be a moneymaker for me and I don't really want it to be anyway, so I'm just gonna get out so he's gonna shut the whole thing down. So that means 1231 Let's just you know, roughly into the year the Ellen pay stuff is completely gone. It's shutting the whole thing down is good for us because that means that we don't have to pay that bill

And I just wanted to say and I know he doesn't mind me saying it just so you know how value for value works with with the value split? Neal Jones to people listen, no agenda known as the clip custodian. He has been supplying me with clips for um, it may be it may be running on two years. Now how long is how long is Emily's? No,

it's, it's longer than that. It's longer than that. And he's doing it before we started.

Yeah, that's true. And so once we add value for value up and running, then this is pretty much what no agenda gives all of their SATs away. The I said, Dude, I'm putting in for them. See, it was it was initially 5%. Now I'm thinking Let me let me check. I can look it up. I'm gonna look it up. You know, I'm gonna let you out a lot. Look it up. I'm looking it up. Let me I just looked it up. looking it up. And he's in for oh, 20% Yeah. 20. But I upped that it was it was 10%. And then

They did this. Just so you know.

That's that's that's actual money. It's like three grand, right? Yeah, it was actual money that had just been accruing. And I'd switch them over to Albie a while ago. So this, you know, it stopped. But it was just sitting there. And it was so many basically by how we even do can't even move in that over the Lightning Network. Like if he so Tim sends it to them on chain. But there's real money yo.

Well, let me look at 30 Look at look at V four v stats.com. I mean, it's we're still tracking daily stuff. And over the last 90 days $38,278 have changed hands. Yeah.

So is real money going around this network. Real money to value for value, even with the Satoshis is doing something real. I'm so proud of us. No one owns it. No one No one can interrupt it. No one owns it. That's the beauty. Peer to Peer money. In that's why you do

that's why you do things in the most open way possible is because that's that's how you achieve resilience.

We love it. We love it. Alright, let's thank some people. Dave Jones. I'm gonna go through some of these live boosts that we've gotten. Steven B 12345. We did the blueberry 11,000 1100 Sam Sethi with 1000 We got that one nice row of ducks. 22,222 from hard hat. And he says your ad here. Sure, put 22,000 SATs you can 10,000 from Sam Sethi my time and attention has value. Today advertisers give me no value for my time and

I get Yeah, it's it's some Yeah, I can see it. It's from some people. Yeah, it's just another option. Yes. Yeah, it just

it sounds cool. But what are you super chapters? Oh, that's where the wallet switches? Yeah, super chapters. Exactly. We have served Ryan in London 21,948 or 219 48 Israeli freedom boost brother you're in our prayers ceasefire over back under rocket fire he says and he's of course is in Israel and so your prayers are with you brother so stupid stupid stupid wars so stupid we need to make peace profitable again that's how we'll stop this stuff.

Amen

We have so let me see 33 over 10 Boys sends us SATs from breeze 12345 Spaceballs boost face balls. What is face balls come up?

I don't know is that something we talked it must have been I know. That sounds familiar. Yeah.

One on One SATs from Sam sathyu says can't let this was some discrepancy we talked about he says I can't listen to you live at the time. 6:25am local time. But I mean I set it to 1225 Looks good. See? Ya look good look. But we have let me see. That's it. That's it for our booths were current. So you can take it away from what you've got from your now fixed system. Yes,

we are receiving emails again. We've got no one off donations from PayPal this week. So straight to booster grams. We go we start with chyron 2222 from the mere mortals podcast or curio kasseri says

sorry, I hit the dock I hit the dock

I was frozen waiting for this. So a couple of pain points I've personally had recently if I switch to using if I switch from using something like contracts to fountain and soon pod fans for providing my value blog info, how does the index know which to use if I ever want to move a show like mere mortals which has lots of different episodes splits from Buzzsprout to a host that supports the value tag I need a

so Barry is this way he says switching from contracts to something else? I mean yeah, just you change it in the feed and the N and the index sees it and changes it right? Yeah,

like if you if you're paying if you're giving contracts a split to get their stats then you just switch that to the other person Yeah,

it's you're in control. You rock you rock you roll you rule the man's you chyron you go by

as a Mary Oh Mary Oscar also known as Oscar Mary 7333 through found and he says P Doom equals zero Happy Thanksgiving.

Thank you. Thank you Oscar. fountain

with a P doom of 01111. From Joel W. Through fountain says roosters lives matter let's get a link here I don't know was that a link to oh that's a clip that's a found clip oh wait that didn't go where I thought it would wait I may have to investigate this clip. I thought it was just a clip of us Oh, I don't know what that is. If I didn't know what

It will become podcasting. Well Phoebe's all upset on what she's upset about right now.

In the morning, 1200 SATs through fountain says Dave stop beating those cogs. Okay. I knew somebody was going to do it. It wasn't inevitable. Yes, of course. There was an incoming. Okay. Jason from podcast Guru 22 to 22 through podcasts guru, of course. He says thanks for helping us out on X Twitter. Users don't often understand how podcast ads work. Oh, yeah. He got the typical

Yeah, oh, I installed podcast guru which you told me to install curry. I got ads pharma ads. And this is what podcasting 2.0 is all about. And here's the thing though, this some podcasts and I said well, no, that's, you know, that's the podcast, who you know, they're the ones who have a deal with the ad insertion. And these and the podcast got In my face, they're like, Well, you don't understand us. We'd never want pharma ads. That's our host. Oh, okay. So

they're just passing the buck upstream. Yeah. All the way you

know, because we've told them time and again, we don't want pharma ads and we need to make sure that just because you don't understand who we are like, dude, slow down. Why are you so mad bro?

They will never, ever respect what the podcaster wants no advertiser. Oh, of course he could care less. And once you get what you get, and was

it Megatron or who are those guys? megaphone?

Megatron. Megatron. Megatron, that's probably more appropriate. Yeah, Mike Dell 1701 Star Trek boost. He says tell Andrew to call Mike and blueberry to get off the Feedburner

Oh, that's Andrew Horowitz Yeah. Okay, yeah, I'll remember next time because I get called Micah blue. I think he actually I think he might have talked to me. I don't know it's it's he's in the in the Feedburner hole just like good luck.

Yeah, call Mike D. Brian Ensminger 1701. Another Star Trek boost. Their cast thematic says AI chat bots are the new Clippy That's right. There the old clip he actually yes. That's it. That's it. We got some. We because we have no commentary blogger because he's taking the Yeah,

he's taking the month off to study on his AI test.

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That was evidently in response to a miss, like a misspeak. But you know, I think where you said modern podcast apps.com. This, this is this happened to my wife. They miss me she had me or she does illustrations for lots of things. But she had illustration for one of her children's books that was published, and the publisher misquoted, they spelled her website wrong in two different places. So I had to go read I was had to defensively register those wrong domain names.

Oh, and redirect them to the right, right. Oh, worse. That's the worst.

Three domain names that I'm pointing to for like the net for the rest of my life that I'm paying for every year. Only for defense. Oh, yeah. Tell

me about it. I have several of those domain names that will stay with me forever. For reasons like that. Yeah. All right, brother. Anything else for the roundtable? Before we before we made a joke, everyone.

Now I'm good at that. I got I got homework to do this weekend on Olympic car.

Yeah, it's, it's, I just got excited by it. Because I just I register a lot of domain names or have in my life. And when I see I'm just adding records, click click click I'm done with this is cool. This is easier than than my registrar. This is just felt very cool. I love it a lot. Could be good. I

think. Hopefully we'll have questions answered by next week. And we can actually we can actually like do a feasibility discussion on how like, what not Oh, that's cool, but

a little deeper. All right, Alex gates on deck as well. All right, brother. Have yourself a great weekend. And we'll be talking next week. All right, man. All right. Thank you all very much there in the chat room. We appreciate you joining us here for the board meeting podcast. Lesson 2.0 Join us next Friday right here podcasting.

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