Episode 156: Model Drift

podcasting 2.0 for November 24 2023 Episode 156 model drift hello everybody welcome to podcasting 2.0 What

this extra long Thanksgiving moon yeah, I'm

I'm I'm all you know, I'm trying to get over the over the turkey. sleeping powder. What is it called? What's the stuff that in Turkey that makes you sleep? The tryptophan tryptophan they go. I'm on a trip to fan trip.

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is it Christ? St. st legal math. Yes, exactly. The route

the rooster thing was quite interesting. You know? We were originally going to eat chicken for Thanksgiving. Yes.

Because you have so many you've killed you horrible murder.

I dropped three of them this past week.

And you even have a term I dropped three of mud dropped you rooster? Wow. You are a Trad man right there.

So one of these roosters Well, one of these roosters I'm convinced I was possessed by a demon. Oh, do you know when when Jesus cast out the pigs demons out of Legion into the pendant

of pigs and they ran over the cliff? Yeah, yes, we

know that. We know this is possible that demons can go into animals and I think that that's what happened.

So where did it come from? Where was it before he got into the rooster?

That's a good question. I don't know. But whoever that guy is, he's feeling a lot better now. I wonder if I can find what this rooster looks like. It's like it's got this crazy. Like, the low out of feathers on the top of his head looks like a pom pom. Okay, so

they live with this. Wonder

if I can fund this. Okay, yeah, this this sort of looks like it. Unless you're gonna send me habia this

I'm excited I'm very excited to see your rooster show me your cock show title there we go. Oh, wow, that's an awesome looking rooster. Wow, that is crazy.

Here's another look at that guy. This is more accurate to what

dozers look those are funky man what a cute kind of cute dude in a way

no they're demonic they're no good they're no good. So this goes where

do you get these roosters from two people give them to you go by IMG go to the rooster Mart

we we get to this we've got every year the school that my wife used to teach they raised chickens from eggs and so the we get like when they're grown at the end of the year we get them we get their meat we get we get the chicks oh and we just finished raising them here. Yeah, we paste post this into the chat room so if I say is it to this so this rooster like crazy looking thing it can't see you see you know from the

killing him based upon appearance that that's kind of racist. It's not right.

It's chicken racist. Yes. It's we go out there to kill this thing. It's a maniac and we all hate it. It like attacks

your feet. Everyone's like dad go kill that thing.

Even my even my 13 year old she's like she's like God, you gotta kill that thing. So I go out there to kill it. And I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna kill three we got three. Now

when you go out there to kill what do they do? They look they go like, oh, oh, here he comes. Do They Know It? Do they know you're gonna you're gonna offer you're gonna drop them.

They don't. They don't know anything. They're stupid. And so they they're just like Hey, cool, what are you doing?

Hey, what are you doing with your hand on my neck? Man? Let's go. That's not cool, bro.

That's a really large knife you have what are you going to cut

his head off? I thought you I thought he just turned his neck just snapped.

I use this. This is the story. I used to had to use a different technique this time. So the first time I killed him, I did the neck break. And it was effective. And it was fine. And I mean, it's efficient. So I go. And of course, the first one I grabbed is this guy. And so I grabbed I got him. And you helped you sort of hold their body under your, like, be kind of, I guess, like hold them like a basketball under your arm. And then and then you make a ring with your fingers. Like you're

a white a white nationalist? Is that where you live?

Okay, sounded like your wedding. And then you pull the head forward. And then until it won't go any further, and then you been the head back and yank as hard as you can forward. So it's like, it makes it just like a crunch. So I did that. Oh, God, it was fine. I mean, like it heard the crunch. It kind of you know, wiggled like they do when they die, and then hold it up. And its eyes are closed, and it's just completely limp. I'm like, alright, well, that's pretty easy. And

then he opened his eyes again and looked at you and went, bro.

You shouldn't have

done that. That's no good.

I'm like, okay, sorry. I'm

trying. I'm trying to find a sound effect. Not quite, not quite working on it.

So I'm going to Skull this chicken to make the feathers come off easier. You like dunk it in hot water. And that makes the feathers just kind of release, you know? Go and I'm like, Okay, I'm just I'm good. I'm good. I'm like, good time. So I I lay him down on our deck in a turn to go into the house. And it starts kind of flopping a little bit. Post death, you know? Yeah, sure. Up. Yes. And I'm like, Okay, well, that's normal. I mean, they do that. And then, but I keep

Oh, man, that must have been so freaky. This thing was dead

dude. It was totally dead. And it came back to life and then took off into the yard. And so then that's been the next 20 minutes trying to catch this thing and it finally goes up under our deck. And our deck is only like, eight inches off the ground. I can't get it. I can't get any still

flopping around down there. Oh, yeah.

I mean, he's, he's like, half dead. Just kind of like, laying there with his head all weird. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, he's gonna die. This is

just gonna know this. We've lost all audiences at this point. Everyone's like, this is disgusting. I can't believe these guys are horrible. I can't advertise on this podcast.

No, you can't we're not brand safe. Or suitable. So get but get this. This is a fun story though. Because I'm like, Okay, fine. I'll come back to this to this thing later. And he'll probably be dead in a little while anyway. So I'll do the other two. So I spend the next hour and a half trying to catch the stupid roosters and I cannot do it man. It is like it is impossible to catch a rooster that does not want to be caught in a large yard. Especially

when it's already dead. This is very interesting. Yes, once

they die, then they become very hard to catch. But so I get so I finally I'm like you know what? To me and Marigold are both out there trying to catch these things. We can't catch him. I'm like, we can get our dog

out there. Banjo. Oh, yeah, but he's been he'll rip it apart once he gets it.

That's the fun part. Did did not do that. So Oh, but from us on my my dog has seats about 107 pounds now. Yeah, he's a great pair knees. So pure knees there. Guard guard dogs like farm garden? Yes. They don't hurt the animals by their nature. So he got out there and he's just kind of ignoring them. That's what he does. And then, but as he sees me chasing these things, and he's like, oh,

oh, we're

supposed to do. Okay. Okay, both. Yeah, exactly. So then he gets into it. He had these things called in 30 seconds.

Wow. He's a bird dog. Who knew he's an undercover bird dog. Yeah. So

he runs one of them down corners and just steps on his wing and just holds it and looks at me. I'm like, good boy.

Good boy. Yeah. So

So I grabbed them. So I had made the dino the killing cone. Do you know that? Yes.

Yes. Well, you just saw Pull it through the cone and the head goes off and you're good to go. Yes, I've

seen rice. So I made the cone. I made a cone at a sheet metal hanging on the tree. You flip them upside down and drop their head down through the bottom of the cone. And then you take a super sharp knife you pull the neck in. Yep, yep. And then the blood drains out. They're dead in like 30 seconds. Yeah. And it's very humane. It's a great way to do the after

you chase them around with a broken neck for half an hour. It's very humane Dave.

It's beautiful. To learn to learn learning.

Sounds very rookie to me. I don't know. It doesn't sound like you're a pro.

I will admit I will totally admit my rookie status on this. It's so I ended up with so I banjo catches one. Dispatch in the cone. Good. Throw them in the in the throw the chicken in the wheelbarrow. Next one catches it. Cone. Wheelbarrow. Good to go. Like this. This is like I'm an expert now. Yeah. So then we get a big ol stick and get this thing out. Get the last one the psycho when we get him out from under the deck. Banjo

Well not live. It's just like his nerves or whatever. Right? It's just whatever keeps him

No, no, it is no Adam. It is still alive. Okay, that that's

possessed. That's possessed demon when he's looking at you snipped his head off.

No, no, the head was still on it bled out from the front leg. And he's his eyes are like kicking around looking at me like he's like.

Alright, now you creeping me out now now. It's gone too far

to go full off of the head. You know, like, like, full full full bore to finally kill this thing. It would not die. It was it was motivated. Like, you know, you're gonna say your eyes or window into the soul. Yeah. You can't see this chicken's eyes. So clearly it has no no

so clear. Yeah, it's obvious. It was it was animated

and motivated by spiritual forces. That we don't understand. That's how creepy it was. It creeped me out so bad that I didn't even need it. We just used it for for bone broth, man. Yeah, so you learn something every Thanksgiving. Like hey

citizen says my grandparents used to do the five head technique of dipping the chicken above the fermenting wine in the oak barrel until it fell asleep. That sounds like a good idea.

At first, they made a drunk I guess Yeah, that's a good thing. The next time we'll be some will

be smooth, smooth. I think we should use these pictures though. The one of these this should be our mascot or logo. I mean, I'm liking this this crazy rooster

with the with the with the RSS waves coming off?

Oh, we'll just call it No, we'll make that the podcast industrial complex mascot. There you go. The possessed chicken possessed. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving brother. So what did you eat? Did you have chicken? Or did you have turkey? Or what did you have?

No, we're, we went to my parents house last night and ate and ate some ham over there. And then we're gonna have like, I got a heart out at one o'clock today. So my kids are coming over. We're going Oh, nice. family dinner. We have ham again. Here. Oh, nice.

Nice. Yeah. Okay, well, we're what you'll do? Well, we went to the Yeah, international arms dealer. He hosted a dinner. It was Yeah, he does a lot of real estate deals to some real estate people there. It's kind of interesting to hear a little bit of that. And we played left, right center. You know, we all have $9 And then you roll three dice, and then it's either left right center. And so if you or, or

It's kind of fun. It's the arms dealer. So you did it with 100

So I was of course hundies That's right baby. The arms dealer the

party The party favors at this guy's like uranium depleted 1.6 millimeter I made I made

the joke of like hey, you know we're gambling here we got booze we need some guns like okay brings out all kinds of guns like nah, it's all right, bro.

decal on the tape playing.

This one belongs to Jesse James like okay, all right. Yeah, he had some he had some Cool, cool, cool firearms. Nice. Ah, I was trying to think, wrote down a whole bunch of stuff to talk about today. We don't obviously don't have to talk about it. I'm just glad we're doing a little update for everybody. Even though it's a different time. I think it's good that we stay. It's always good. Adam Curry's number one rule of podcast, people always ask me, what is the number one

And then we find that out every time we miss a show. It's like, oh,

yeah, people are wonder I don't know what to do with my Friday. I'm like, go out. You go to a bar. We can think of some things you can do. I actually noticed something. Just kind of something interesting happening. That that just hit me today as I was listening to. Who's the guy from pod? page.com. He was on Brendan Brendan. Yeah, it was nice guy. I use pod page for a couple of my couple of my shows. And it's, it's great for someone like Adam me. Like it just I don't have to

Yeah, yeah. But a different way. Yeah. Sort of like it a different layer in the stack? Yeah. Now,

just so I understand, when they use the 2.0, what this podcast Mera Kaam, takes your existing fee, turns it into a 2.0 compliant fee, you can add stuff in there, including a value block at the channel level, do they then change automatically your podcast in the index to that feed, so that the 2.0 apps will get the updated feed without having to, you know, put redirects and stuff like that? Or we're in you know, or have two feeds basically, in the index? Does that make sense? What I'm asking?

Yeah, I think they do a redirect. Oh, they

do. That's it?

I think. So. See, because here, here's what happens. I'm not sure what to get some clarification from Todd and Mike. Because what happens with these sorts of services is that if you let's, let's say that you're on Lipson, and you're going to switch the pin, you're gonna use podcast mirror, as your new feed URL, so that you can get 2.0 tags. If you if you do a 301 on birth, 302 on your Lipson feed, it redirects okay. Yes, mirror fee, which redirects back to your to your

does that means that you don't want us to have a loop. But that means that someone has to then have a duplicate feed in the index one that is their old Lipson, and then one that is in this example. And then what is their podcast mirror feed? Correct?

Well, they don't have to have it, they would end up initially with a duplicate, but they would that would should resolve once they change it in sort of like these dashboards, like their Apple podcast dashboard and stuff like that.

Right. Right. But but we don't have a dashboard for the index of them that they will wind up ultimately with two. So that's a dupe. But it's a dupe with one upgraded feed and one, quote unquote, deprecated, free feed?

Yes.

So should should it be something that we offer to a service like podcast mirror that they can then talk to the API and say, Hey, deprecate this one, this is the the mirror one is that something that we should consider doing?

This is, this is hard, because, you know, here, here's the issue, if we had a sort of green field, expectation for the index was supposed to be like, if we didn't care about what literally anybody else was doing. We would be, we could afford to be super aggressive with deduplication. Like, when I say super aggressive, I mean, automated, like a fiend, you know. And so then we would take every every redirect, and update

but but having the 2.0 feeds won't break those apps.

No, it won't. But we can't, we can't automatically follow redirects, because sometimes what happens is the redirect says go here. And Apple podcasts still doesn't is not they have not changed it. So Apple podcasts has the old URL, even though their their URL is even though that URL is a redirect.

Okay, so then when the fallback happens, they won't be able to find what they're looking for the wrong feed. URL. Here's, here's why I'm bringing this up. Maybe that'll be easier. I'm seeing as is typical, when when there's a hunger for something. I'm seeing these me pod fans. Sam, Seth, he's I'm not quite sure exactly what he's doing. But he is. It looks like he's building a podcast mirror type service.

I think it's Brendan Brendan. I

think it's I just heard Brendan, I think I heard him say that they are going there. Also, I was considering or it's a done deal. He also wants to offer podcast mirroring service, so that you can then add those feeds, and then our ad add those items, and then output that feed to somewhere else. It just seems like there's a there's a desire to have 2.0 features that is going much faster than the hosting companies can or will do. What

features was he talking about? Specifically? Ah,

I think it was like, I don't really remember. But I'll have to go back and listen, but it just I wrote it down. Because like, Oh, that's interesting, because I'm seeing we have podcast mirror.com We have pod fans, you know, Sam is either doing this already or saying he's going to do it. And then whatever Brendon was doing, it just seems like there's the people are moving fast and the legacy hosting companies are not

Well, this brings up a larger discussion about just in general, how do we, how do we know which podcasts go with which URLs like this? You know, this, this is just the problem within podcasting. And it always has been is like, you have to sort of independent like identities for what the podcast is. So when people talk about a podcast, they talk about, you know, what I want to go do is listen to, I want to get

But I guess maybe, maybe what I should be saying is none of these mirroring things are a good idea. I mean, get a native host or get your, if you want a certain feature, I mean, I'm just seeing these apps mature. So now I'm very excited about what I'm seeing. I don't really do beta apps anymore. I just I don't have the time for it. I can you get me something in production, I'd have pretty much all of them. I'll use it. And I can say, Oh, I found something. I know it'd be better

I'm gonna disagree a little bit on the idea that you like not to use the mirror services. I kind of think that that's a cool idea. Because then it sort of gets an indirection like you can change hosts 100 times and you never have to actually update any directories right

until you know what helped with the dangers until someone decides Well, I'm done with this mirroring service. I'm tired of it. I'm pulling the plug. And then you're then you're really up shits Creek?

That was Yeah, I guess I would say, to mitigate against that you choose carefully. Well, she's a company that's been around a long time like

Google. I mean, yeah, we all did that with Google. And we use what was that? What's the service everyone? Bernard Feedburner. Yeah, they bought Feedburner. And then they kind of let it die. And they resurrected it a bit, and it's scary. It's Andrew Horowitz? Who would who wants to be on 2.0 He can't bring himself to find the time to figure out how to actually get off of Feedburner.

So we have that, you know, we bought this domain a long time ago called move your podcast.com. Really? Yes. Yeah, we own that. It was just a lark. I just had a had an idea like maybe one day this would be helpful. And I would love to have a service that it lives at move your podcast.com where you can say it's just a self service dashboard where you can say look, I'm going to move from Lipson to Buzzsprout and here's my feed your here's my feed at Lipson, here's my feet at

we do with the email address in your feed. Oh, I'm sorry.

No, not anymore. But like just a basic a simple service that helps everybody makes sense out of the chaos of moving in. I don't know it's it was just

sounds like the one race. That's why we still have the domain name and nothing's happened with it's a great idea when we can't even get a monitor for our own API setup. Busy. Oh, we got one. We do. Yeah, you asked and it appeared.

Yep. That's how it goes. Archie for from the who's the part time sysadmin for pod verse and Mitch his crew. Oh, really? Oh, that's cool. Oh, he had an he had some monitoring setup. Using uptime Kuma that?

Oh, right. Right. Right. That's the I Am I think I might start nine even I have that thing. I've never used it.

Yeah, okay. Yeah, he had a system set up for pod verse. And he's like, Hey, you want me add a couple API calls to this just to check yours? stuff at same time? Are they Yeah, sure. So he added it in there and then set it up to email alert. If something goes down. It's we're good to go. Oh,

excellent. Okay, I take it back. I guess, maybe we're where we should be going. As you know, there was a sam se suggested a badge, a badge, a 2.0 badge, and which, of course, always devolves into the well that can't say certified because there's no such thing, and bla bla bla bla bla, I would like to recommend to, to the apps, you know, you got to learn how to do a little bit of marketing, you know, making an app is one

So this is a pretty interesting discussion, because if you think about what an app would need in order in order to sort of jump on the scene, I guess. The the things that come to mind are live. Yep, pod paying.

Which we just call 92nd update, I mean, pod no one understand the term pod ping. But yeah, quick update, right?

Like, if you jump on board with those two things without added

value for value, I mean, that's it. Another big one.

Favorite yo, there's like a few of these little things. And I think I think it kind of starts with a live honestly. Because if you think about the people who would the podcasters, that would do live, they're usually really hardcore and willing, they're hardcore to technical. And they're willing to what they want is for people to listen to them live, if you have a live podcaster. Okay, that's what I'm trying to think

But it's still limited number of pod. I agree with you. I just I'm just saying much. From a much broader perspective. Any podcast can talk about some of the other features some of the other benefits of using a 2.0 app. And

Oscar with fountain he found his effect, he

totally found it. Yep, exactly. He found he found his his energy. Initially, that's what we see the thing is, pod verse started initially, I think, because it was the wasn't that Eclipse was not what, what what Mitch wanted initially was, you know, he wanted an app that did better clipping. Yes, not mistaken. So that's great. But you need to get the podcasters talking about your app. That's, that's the thing. That's how we

Yet build to if you're when you're a developer build to a build to what somebody wants. Find out what your what if your podcast app, find out what find a set of podcasts podcasters that want a certain thing, build your app feature to the thing that they are wanting. And then you have a built in advertiser you have built in advertising. Yeah. Is the same way with pod with podcasts. And I think it's easier to do that than it is to do it with podcast listeners.

people will go to the end of the earth to do something their pot their favorite podcast, or ask them to do they buy stupid products they don't even need because the podcaster says, hey, buy this product. Here's my code. So when someone says try out this app, I really like it. And I like it because hey, I'm featured even if it's just that I'm featured this month, tell a friend etc. The podcast the podcaster has the power and apps have always tried to go to the listener.

Yeah, I think that's a, I think that's a great point because you just have to find you have to find some. I don't know. You have to you have to put a rock in somebody's shoe. Yes, yes, no. And the way you do that is, is you find your you find your gap, you find that gap, and you meet a need. And then, and also, when you're meeting a need, that's been this clear. And then sort of that you can see, it's easier to build,

It was like this. This Ainsley Costello just loud concert in Minneapolis that's coming up that's going to be lit, which is very much which will be built on the work that I think certainly Mitch did for the pod con Mexico. They're going to do it lit. Looks like that's going to happen. And everyone now oh, wait a minute. So that's actually podcasting. 2.0 that's sending those Satoshis Oh, okay. Yeah, we should probably talk to those guys. So finally, Dobby Dawson,

Yeah, you can see the the apps and the hosting companies that have a sort of a real purpose that they're trying to solve, because they have they have a real clear path forward in front of them. Yes, they do identify a thing, and then they then they write, they, they identify a thing, then they build something that solves that problem.

Yes. And I'm excited. I'm excited to see even with these with these native 2.0 and I'm gonna add blueberry in there with the native 2.0 hosting companies. You know, they get it they're built, they're building something new and this is where the the artists are going to go. And, and I'm telling you, wave Lake has got to fix their booster gram stuff. Because people it may be easy, but people hear about stuff and like wow, how come I'm not seeing booster

So when you say fix the bridge grim stuff, you're I think you're talking about the fact that the wave like artists can't see their messages.

Well, interestingly enough, I found out that if you go to the artists page, you will see booster grams coming through as comments identified as key send zero sets. So the boosted gram comes through. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that mean? Well, that means is that means that they're showing the booster gram as a comment so that they've made the connection. And so it's a it's a public comment, which is great. But then it shows zero SATs and

So it's odd to me that it wouldn't show the total that came like

because they've chosen not to. I think that that's that seems like a choice. And it looks dumb

or a bug or not

because the okay could be a bug. But you're already pointing in there. From Keith and you're already taking the the booster Graham TLV. Why not just put in there it came. I mean, are we so horrified to say that it comes from a podcast is or is it just no time, I don't understand it. And that's half the fun, half the. So now I'm on booster Grand Ball saying, Please, in your message, put the amount of Satoshis you sent and tell him where you were where this was from that this was from

as odd if Michael or Sam, let, shoot, if you don't mind, shoot me a message tell me what that's about. Because if there's something because I can think you could say that, well, I don't trust the SAT total that's in the TLV because that's our because that can be manipulated. But then the invoice itself should be settled. And that is not, that's not manipulatable

another another big thing is the actual on this. This is very clear even value for value dot info. A big part of value for value is the numerology of it. So when sending you 333 777-719-4869 69 I mean it can go on and on. It's a big part of the fun is, is you're robbing people of joy killing their roosters, I can understand that they don't want to confuse people because they take their 10% but I mean, how confusing is it? It's like okay, I see what caveman I just have

It, it feels weird. to It feels weird to show zero. To show zero like yeah, just don't show it at all. I mean, just say that. It's a comment, like

I don't know. It's weird. It's weird. Let me see if I can get so Joe Martin. Thank you. And I know Joe Martin, who? People just don't know, he did this hour long interview and podcasting wasn't mentioned once. And I think that he's the he's the first song we played and sent him hundreds of 1000s of SATs or I should say Dred Scott did. And like, does he just not know where it's coming from?

I don't know. I'm

here via Kison pod. This is pod pod fans even worse pod fans payment doesn't even have a name.

And now that's not fans payment that's that's is that a booster game? Or is that just a stream?

Who knows? Here via key send via key send via it's like this? No, no. Wow, that that must be a stream somehow. That's probably Sam sending streams as boosts who knows. Like very collapsing. It's very cool. Okay, so

So zaps show via zap. And I guess. Better and I guess podcast boosts would say via key send.

Actually looks like they've dropped the zero SATs thing now.

Oh, okay.

I guess they've dropped that.

Let's see unlucky that via zap via zap via key send. Okay, so that's the that's just telling you this Tony where it came from, but it's not showing you the app?

Or the app or the show or the episode?

Yeah. So that I mean, that's that's in there. I would say that. A good thing to do. These guys is for Michael and Sam is to pull that other to have me show. I don't know. I don't know how nostrils zapping works. I don't understand. I guess I think there would be a disconnect. Maybe you can't tell the originating app. So if you're in Dominus in use app, this app is actually coming from your like for your wallet or

so much busy on record. Yeah, we shouldn't take it if you pull out the booster Graham then you're seeing you're seeing the key send record. Yeah,

I would love for that. I would love to see that things say instead of via keys instead of via pod verse yeah by podcast fountain.

How about the podcast? Episode that is from that mean that would really help. That mean I understand you would like the app I'd like someone say oh, that's from booster Rambo. What is that? Oh, what is that thing? is weird. This weird?

Is a pirate radio. Just looking through here and see. Yeah,

it hasn't looked something strange. Yeah, yeah, something's changed. I don't know. I don't see the so maybe they're working on it's possible

by case and by case of as it's so much. Yeah, the pod fans payment pod fans payment thought

was pretty funny.

That, that that's from 1116. So that's recent. Yeah. That's fairly recent. So that's got it. I bet you that's their streaming. Payment?

I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Speaking

speaking of this sort of native podcasting 2.0 hosting related issues. I've got the first pod roll product. Ingestion product. Yeah. Ready to Roll? Yes. The if you go to,

here we go.

https colon slash slash? Public dot podcast. index.org. Okay. Slash recommendations dot JSON. Hold

on a second. Yes. Hold on.

Holding. Okay, I'm holding

what public? Public dot podcast index.org/public dod

podcast index.org/recommendations.

Recommendations.

Data JSON.

dot JSON.

Okay, Justin. Okay. Yes.

What do I get? Do I get a big JSON file? Let's see. It's crunching Oh, the oh, it has popularity score. What is this? Yes.

Through the through the, through the mix here

was quite large. This, this five very large, yes.

This is a list of all of the shows that have appeared in a pod roll. So if somebody put their pod roll, if somebody put a pod roll in their feed, we're aggregating all that. And then sorting it in descending order by popularity, which that popularity number

is number of times that appears in a pod roll. Yes, the

number of pod rolls it has appeared in Oh,

that's a good way to game the system. It is it is so like that.

Let me run down the properties here. So you get popularity, which is what we just described, you have the feed ID, which is this podcast index feed ID of this feed that was recommended. You've got the GU ID of the feed, which is recommended. You've got the title of that feed, the URL, the feed URL, you've got the artwork or the album or the seed? Did you have source feed ID in source Feed URL? So that's the podcast index ID, where it came from that had the pod role in

lives and then the recommender host is the the host that has the feed that has the recommendation I would say popularity is probably a misnomer.

What was what should that be like hits or something?

instances I mean it the popularity doesn't mean that oh, this is a popular show. This means that someone just put this in lots of pod rolls which clearly made me appearances. Yeah, cuz I mean I have four feeds, and I could put it in all of my feeds and then I'd have for right doesn't make it more popular just makes me a douche.

hard on yourself. Yep. The reason that I put

Go ahead, no, no, no, please go ahead.

The reason that I put recommended host and recommender host in there is because immediately I see a bunch of things from this thing called vigilante TV, which I don't even know what that is. Yes. It sounds like it may be sketchy. Vigilante something I'm not sure about that. So interesting immediately, if I put this in here, you can immediately filter out things that you don't want. So

yeah, that could Ah, yes, yes. That's a good idea.

All right. So stuff comes in here from pod rolls from like, you know, 60 times.fm or something like that. That's in your in your writing a podcast app for kids? I don't want that. I don't want don't

want. That's a great idea. But see, what is visual? The Dollar Vigilante? Dollar Vigilante, I think is that's very well known.

Is it? vich? I had no idea what this [email protected]

Yeah, I'm looking at the art at the feed,

peer tube instances what it is. Crypto 101, my most important video. Hey, Ron Paul,

instead of a popularity count was what Pfeiffer suggested, which I think is probably better count. Okay,

yeah, I can do that. Yeah. So this, this will grow the we're at like, we're at roughly 500 recommended feeds at this point in the database.

Now, is that enough for the cut off? So we don't remove the tag from the namespace? So I don't know.

I don't I don't know. This. This is this is a so that I expect, I expect this to go to morphed over time as we learn more about the behavior of what is going on in these pod roles. Right. And, but immediately, you know, I think people can can use this, this updates every hour. This this JSON list so people can immediately pin it's not behind any sort of API. So you can just grab it, just

pop it out.

You pull it in, and then you can immediately know what is being recommended. You can filter it out if you just don't know she's like, Okay, well, I only want to look, we'll see scroll down all the way to the bottom. You'll see here. This is a good a good example. So make it British podcast that was recommended by some that was recommended by somebody by a feed hosted on Buzzsprout. And the feed that was recommended

This is pretty cool. This is actually very cool. And I look forward to seeing apps implementing this this is this is nice.

Yeah. I don't think it's I mean, is it game mobile to get on this list? Sure. But but then that's not

well known. But as I said, The only reason I said that is because I saw popularity and the first thing that popped in my head was oh, game bubble, but doesn't really matter. There's nothing to game there's there's no win. Yeah, there's no win. It's just, it's you know, what do people do with this? And I think the most interesting things of course, surfacing other podcasts that I want people to see on in an app, pod page, I'm sure pod page will will do something with that.

But here it says Tom Woods is his podcast is recommended in one of these vigilante feeds. That is vigilante thing at how is this working because their feeds must have pod rolls and they

do I'm looking at the feed right now. But this is pure tube is it?

I don't Yeah, I think this I think this is a pissy

vigilante youtube.tv Feed slash podcast slash VIDEOS dot XML

source fade you're just going to pick this one. And that

looks like they they have declaring the namespace looks good. What's the generator hive tube

hive to

what does that oh, the hive tube that's the generator I just read the feed man let me see what hive tube is hive tube. The Hive to plugin monetizes any streaming media censorship free p2p via the hive blockchain. I smell Brian of London

spelled you

all right,

I guess Brian, I guess Brian did this and is and all this bear might be yeah might be alright. I mean he'll he'll tell us he'll tell us. He's going to win him. Yeah, but pod roll is just such a new tag. I was surprised that that would exist. Yeah,

well and it's in Yeah, it's all in here. I'm waiting for a sovereign feat. I know Stephen Bell's real busy doing all kinds of stuff it's on the list. So I'm looking forward to implementing it. Because I got some feeds I want to point toward the

a lot of Buzzsprout in here be tunes.tv What does that be tuned? b e tunes.tv. Beach? Is that also hive

to E dash or just b?

b e t o n s dot

Avi tunes,

okay. Be the tunes.

Don't see that showing up?

On it. It's yet another another hive

thing now the hive thing?

I don't know, what's

the generator

source? Trying to find it source source Feed URL, you know, have the generator. Have that in the database. I should have just put that in here. Be

tuned. I'll bet you now I'll bet you that's also a hive thing.

At the back, it's interesting that that happened because of the last the last peer to work with RSS that I know of was was all Alex and I know he's not doing hive stuff. Yeah, yes. Hive

to because hive to Yeah. All right.

There must be some fork of peer tube. It's all about hive.

Interesting. Okay, well, the Learns Well, this is nice. Okay. I like it. I like it. Another thing everyone needs to implement. Yeah, quick go. You ready? Go. Implement implement implement. One of the thing you and I talked about, just briefly there was so I it's unclear. It seems like power users had a problem with the get Alby Bumi. resolved. Right? It resolved. Absolutely. But I just want to remind everybody that having other options is not a bad idea. It's not a bad idea.

And if they rely on what do you can you tell me what that means that the

users are using wallet of Satoshi for zaps?

I think most like in most most instances, yeah.

Because it because it's easy to onboard as custodial. It's good to go. And wallet of Satoshi just took themselves out of the US App Stores. Really? Yep. They're a little sketchy as to why they do like you should know why. Like, no, I don't really know why. I think because they're a money service provider. They're not they're not a standalone wallet. Seems pretty clear to me.

Oh, so is did they take themselves out immediately after the by Nance?

I think yeah, I think the timing is, is seems kind of obvious to me.

Yeah. That so they Yeah, if they if they pulled right after that they must be that must have spooked them. And

rightly so. I mean, be a you know, so what did binance get popped for for money laundering, you know, illegal transactions? Yeah, I can see why they're worried about that.

Absolutely. Me too. You know, so

there's there's is that green light thing is the breeze SDK. Does that. Is that? Is that all? noncustodial is that working? Is that does do key send. I mean, is this stuff up and running?

I don't know. We need let's get Roy back on the show so we can get an update? That'd be

good. Yeah, I'd like Yes. I'd love to just have a light as I mean, I know that he basically is keeping the breeze app alive as a and he's no he's, he's putting money. He's put money into it. People working on it to upgrade with value time splits for the wallet switching technology, which I really appreciate. But he he was even thinking, Well, you know, we're kind of doing our job now as a lightning service provider. So we're just keeping that alive as an example of an Like, you can't

Yeah, there's

a lot. And I mean, we're like 100,000 transactions a day that we're seeing minimum on just a regular day, right.

Let me pull up yesterday's thing.

I think it's about 100. I mean, yeah, I think a good day. I'm not talking about number of sets. I'm talking about number of transactions.

Right? Yeah, cuz that's really all we look at the stats totals are still love for you know, I mean, relatively speaking. I mean, if it's on it is on a random Wednesday, you know,

no, Wednesday's is just very, that's the worst day of the week.

Yes. Nothing going on. Definitely the worst day of the week. Let's see daily report. transactions for? Yes. Well, yeah. transactions for yesterday. Knows 8098.

How many

8098?

Well, that was that's probably not a good day to look at Dave. That's a Thanksgiving Day in America.

Oh, yeah. Well, you're right about that. Let's see. Do we have

let me see what I have.

Report. I usually Thunderbird, which I can't ever find where the folders

when we see what we get from today. When we got from today. No, that's not what I'm looking for.

Here. Daily Reports. Go here. Let's look at this. Let's get to last week, because that's yeah,

that's a better week. November 21. Key send me a total. No, I'm sorry. I'm I was thinking of SATs. You had transactions? 8669.

There's 9784. That's right.

It's like 10 to 10,000. On a good day. Yeah. So last Saturday was almost 10 and a half 1000. Yeah, that's so that's, that's the transaction 10,000 A day that we're seeing. Right, that we're seeing. And it's and it's interesting to see, because if you look at the SAT total, the number one transacting app does not necessarily have the most value, float the highest amount of value. So I can see just a

99 transactions. It's not like they're not

alive. It's

split kit, ln beats, podcast, Guru, curio caster pod fans. Breeze, a breeze. 166 transactions is always a good mix. Yeah. Yeah, no, it

was Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, I

just think that, like, get really on and ask him about where the green light service stands. Because what I can see is that green light could be a very good I can see the integration in the app in my head. And I need I need a chance to explain it to him and see if I'm understanding this properly. Okay. Because if it's right then you could you could say, Okay, well if I want a wallet in my I, in my podcasts guru, then podcasts guru just calls out green light spins up, spins up a

Right and this exactly. And then those are your keys. And it's your dough. And you're responsible for it. And there's

no, there's no custodian there. You know, there's

not a financial customer. Yes. And I think there's going to be it's going to be reasons to look at stuff like that in the near future. There's going to be

Yeah, if things are starting to disappear off app stores, then yeah, that's a reason. Yeah, well,

thanks. Good off themselves. I was like, Oh, that's interesting. So the point being that, you know, that kind of hurt, hurts the simple so that a simple solution is easy to onboard people with nos or get the wall of Satoshi Okay, great. Good. People are zapping me it works. Now, you can't just get the wallet of Satoshi I'm sure that the app, you know, I'm sure it doesn't disappear from your phone if you already have it. But maybe you probably won't be able to load on your new

Well, that's why everybody swit and by the way, we're going to, we're going to start the process of shutting down our LMP node. So that's a there's been zero transactions over the last 30 days. There never was many anyway. But there's we're keeping some stuff alive for legacy purposes. And that seems to have all dried up.

Yeah. Look how long it took, though. The trend the transition from everyone using LM pay to get Alby the, and when I say every one of them the app developers? Yeah, a year,

a year year, so that we're gonna start, we're gonna close that down. But see, that's why that's why everybody left LMP anyways, because in an LMP situation, the app had to hold the keys. Yeah. And so then that puts the app, the podcast app has a custodian, whereas with LB is the LB is the custodian, and the user has the as their credentials. And so there's no the app is just, the app is just shuffling off tokens around,

I would hope so. Yeah, I would hope so. Then

you then you but then you take even the last mile out of it and say, Okay, well, now now, it's not even even a custodian at all. How

about this? Why don't we have the get Alby guys on? I mean, we can we can have royaume but why don't you have to get lb guys and ask them what the plan is. Okay, because they're the they're the they're the clear guys that are doing it. You know, I love them for it. And I'm sure they have thoughts about it. I'm sure they're not sitting around going. This is great. This is fine with the fire flames

No, is not a big fan.

Do you see this? She's now going around. She's doing this she's she's shilling for the digital euro, the central bank digital currency, which is a true cbdc. And she's going around saying crypto is no good. My son didn't listen to me. He lost almost all of his crypto investments.

Oh, what do you invent what crypto investments? Did he bet there was no details?

No, of course not. She's because she's conflating things purposefully. Make.

What about this digital Euro when that's supposed to come out in October? No.

In October, she announced that they were moving forward. That's what she that would that. She said in October. We'll announce our plans. They're moving forward. They've all agreed somewhere. They had some agreement. Yeah. Good to go. And now she's out there marketing the idea that it'll be completely you know, we won't sell your information to other companies. No government will have Yeah, sure. Movie group. Yeah. Good. I wonder if there's a video for saying that. She's

the guards on drip to ECB chief regarded miss her son loft crypto kick last crypto cash? What is crypto cash crypto cash?

What is there? Is there a video video of it?

Looking at us don't cash. This is stupid. Son lost almost all money he invested in crypto. Yeah, yeah, con Jen said it was FTX? I don't know. I'm

sure that's irrelevant, really. But But what I think is happening. I think what we're seeing happening now in the markets is everything's good look, they didn't put by Nance out of business, they could have shut that thing down easily. They didn't write this was a warning. Like, okay, you got to play ball with us. Because they want I think what will happen is everything will go away. Everything will be

Web monetization. Web three. Yeah, nothing. There's there's I think in general, we're seeing a lot of I think the I think the open AI stuff is related

to this. Oh, yeah. Oh, yes. Oh, totally shuffling

the deck. Like you're seeing? Because the thing is nobody's making. There's no, there's nothing. There's no clear next step for any of this stuff.

Oh, by figured out the open AI stuff figured out open AI. Now I understand what's going on. This is Well, surprise, it's a scam. And the reason why Sam Altman is back at open AI is because that's the shim, we discussed this on no agenda. That's the shim that is the piece in the middle that when the lawsuits come, they don't sue Microsoft, and Microsoft, but they're doing and I know, because I have, you're gonna, you're gonna see the sales guys come into your shop,

I agree. I agree. That's because that is already happening. They are already they are already doing that.

They're selling. They're selling that to you. Yes, I had

already. I was in a conference with my day job was in a conference not too long ago. And many people raise their hands when they were asking if they were running their own local copies of GPT on Azure. And they were then they are that is a thing that people are doing. And that I guess the the thing that the thing that gets the open AI thing from my perspective, I think that they I think that they got caught. And they Altman and Microsoft got got caught trying to get out

Well, let's Can we just say 10 billion? Is that retail? Is that special price? Best Price? Is it just $10 million worth or $1,000 Worth, but they price it at a 10 billion. Okay. Irrelevant. We agree on that. And

what they got at what Microsoft got out of it was the IP, all of it, they're all of it. Yeah, the deal is, is basically they get access to all the IP. And if open AI ever goes under, they get me they literally go on and on and on. So

that's why the shame is still in place. Because Altman did his job. He got the executive order, which is the path to regulation. Everyone's Whoa, Whoa, it's so scary. You can only have the biggest companies in the world do this really was we can't just have any Tom, Dick and Harry doing this stuff. No, it has to be either, Microsoft, Google can't be anybody else. Amazon AWS Campion. So they got all they're all protected. But if the lawsuit comes for copyright, that goes to open AI. Well,

the part that Microsoft did Microsoft is I do not think they're making any money off off the chat off the chat stuff. No, no, zero as a call center for them. Yeah. What? So what they saw was, if you look around the industry, the only person who's making tons of money off of AI is Nvidia.

Yes. Yeah. And they're gonna end I heard Marcy there. Yeah. And Microsoft is planning on making their own chip now.

Yes, invidious earnings. Yeah.

They were applying Oh, now. They blew it out. Yeah. believable.

Yeah. And Microsoft looks around and they're like, We want to get in the hardware business. Yep. And they in the AI chip hardware business. And Sam Altman, according to reports, was making deals with the Saudis to do a heart and AI hardware chip business.

Oh, and it was within video. Oh, I didn't realize that. Oh, that's a good day. Good data point. I didn't I had not heard that.

I think internally Microsoft working with Altman was making it was getting ready to make to flip the switch from software to picks and shovels because they need because Nvidia is showing that the only people making money are the hardware the hardware guys right. And they tried to get out from under this software dog that does not work. And they get and then the board was so stupid. These the board like you said there but it's like a cold. No. Yeah, they're so dumb. Like you don't

and here's your link because that board literally grew up with the SAM Backman fried people and the Alameda research girl. They're all effective altruists and that these are the people that do all the Oh AI's. By the way AI eat the world. I should play this. We should play this. Because you're you're a technologist. What is what is that? The douchebags name the guy who was CEO for like three seconds.

CEO of open ion Yeah, the

guy the guy from Twitch Yeah. What's his name? Shira?

Yeah, here here? Yeah, sure. Here

we go. Listen, you want to? So they so the board thought this guy would be the right guy. Listen to why he explains why AI is so dangerous. And I think he's talking about recursion which results in nothing but your hardware locking up. But listen to this for a second.

Generally I'm I'm very pro technology. And I really believe the upsides usually outweigh the downsides. Everything technology can be misused. Regulating early is usually a mistake. I have a very specific concern about AI, we built an intelligence, it's kind of amazing. Actually, we may not be the smartest intelligence, but it is unintelligence. It can solve problems and make arbitrary plans. It's some point

Tell me what he's saying. Fast. Tell me what he's saying right there is bullcrap.

It's complete. It's complete idiocy, it's gonna get quicker, faster.

Nobody says we're going to point it at itself. And it's going to develop itself better. Isn't that the definition of recursion?

Yeah, it's called model collapse. Yeah,

model collapse? Yes. There you go model collapse.

What in this in this conference that I went to the there was a, there was a presenter, who was talking about how they had done these proof of concepts where they had written these reports, they transferred these reports to be generated by AI, by the GPT model. And so you could set you could ask, you know, hey, look at all this data, give me this, give me a report that shows such and such. And these are, these were replacements for the reports that they had built with code.

drift. Oh, model drift? That's a new one. I hadn't heard model drift. I like that. And

I'm like, they don't know you're gonna produce something with with the large language model. And then you'll always have to prove it. by actually doing the thing. It's double the word. Yes.

It's like, it's like, it's like owning a dishwasher. I always say owning a dishwasher. You're handling the dishes twice. Yes. Whereas if you just wash it, and put it away, you're done.

That is, is dish drift. Yes.

You want to get the rest of this douchebag he's pretty funny. Oh, I love these guys. Guy. And this is so this is a podcast. And this is this is very typical of the of the new venture capital guys. They'll they'll have a younger junior partner and he's the podcast guy. And he'll do podcast with the investments with the with the Oh yeah. And it's always like this is great you know we're so happy we

are the dominant for our life on this planet pretty much entirely because we were smarter than the other creatures now. I just laid out a chain of argument with a lot of chain of argument of if this and this if this then this if it's

in this oh if this and this and the chain of argument is if this then this then this human beings

are the dominant for our life on this planet, pretty much entirely because we're smarter than the other creatures now. I just laid out a chain of argument with this this kind of person is this is the type of person the Silicon Valley do. Let's just say the Silicon Valley auto autistic who speaks so fast that they don't even finish their words because their brain is going so fast.

He's on Adderall.

Yes, thank you. Okay, he's going so fast that he can't even pronounce all the syllables of the words because he slows him down he's he's living his life on 1.7x

that no no, this is what happens when you listen to podcasts on 1.7x Let this up unless you become this guy

pretty much entirely because we're smarter than the other creatures now. I just laid out a chain of argument with a lot of if this then this if this and this if this then this. I know Elijah thinks that like we're all doomed for sure. I buy his doom argument I buy the chicken in the logic. Like my P Doom my probability of doom is like my bid

is this was like isn't the like p values? Yes, yes.

Yes. P bracket open Doom bracket close his P doom. Yes. And he has one more in here.

Like my P doom. My probability of doom is like my bid ask spread and that's pretty high. My bid ask spread of uncertainty. But I would say it's like between, like five and 50. So there's a wide spread. I think Paul Cristiano 50

glasses, so horrible. These guys. So

they heard this, they heard this guy and they're like, oh, man, that's our CEO.

He's got a P doom of a bid ask spread of between five and 50. I mean, this guy's awesome. I bet

he plays video games during meetings. Oh, yeah. He's a genius.

And he's awesome on the pickleball court.

Now, Stan was some podcast as I go down to negative below one point. Yes,

you need to slow back down. But this is what we're dealing with man. And so

there's nothing left. There's no Next,

but that's a that's a really good really good point about the hardware point you're at. That's the only place money's being made. And Microsoft is probably sick of paying and Vidya lots of money to buy up these, these these chips and these machines, and then they pass that, you know, so they're losing so much profit, passing that on to their clients who we've duped into creating large light. And, you know, it might work very well for for certain things inside an

way this stuff works is it always comes down through your line of business apps, you don't ever do anything. It's like blockchain. Want some upstream provider somewhere is going to do something with this and to make their product a little bit more user friendly. And that's it. Yeah, no, you don't you don't develop a team in house to go do this in your standard meno business. That's just not it's just not a thing. They also

I think they really blew it on that chat bot apps. You know, that's all people see. Now. It's like, I opened up WhatsApp the other day, because that's what most of my family uses in Europe uses that instead of text messaging, and then they got a chatbot in their AI. And it's actually not bad, you know, just for for little stupid stuff. But that has no value to people. It shows no value. And okay, I can see, and I can see

The whole Yeah, the whole thing's dumb. And I think they realize it now. They got their stock bumps out of it. All of that's done. And now they need to actually make really real money. And the only way they can do that is with hardware. There's the software, the software upside of this is done. Yes, I agree.

I agree. You know, it's like descript, which, you know, has all this AI stuff in it. Now the editing software? Yeah. And so, you know, James has this, this put out of bad news episode. And this is 32nd gap, and he picks up the very normal, you know, you're recording and screwed up. I'm gonna pick it up again. You know, why doesn't if the script is really AI, why didn't it say we're rip? You left a 32nd gap here? Shouldn't you check that out? This may be something wrong. Where's the AI?

I go back to the Adam curry metric of AI. is I believe that when I no longer get spam.

Yes, the Bayesian model of Thank you. When will that day till that day is both you know, thank you very much. Why that would be the perfect application of AI. I keep forgetting my own rules.

You forget yourself. You forget yourself this. Let's

thanks some people. Dave, I know you got that hard heart out in about 10 minutes. So I'm going to we only have a couple of live booths because let's face it, we're working through the holiday. after Thanksgiving. Yeah, right. We'll get it's nice. You know, we'd love it Dave and I'd like to catch up to that's really what it is. We're friends we catch up once a week. Salty crayon just came in with 6222 It's the evil rooster boost. Hope you all are having a great Thanksgiving

on the scheme's. It's better than cats.

It's hell yeah. I have a feeling he's working on value for value theater show streaming split kit QR codes. He's He's figured stuff out. He's he has a vision he has blueberry has a vision. I'd love to know more about it.

Excellent. Get him. We'll get him on the show. We

need to get everybody on the show. We just reverse it. You and I sit on the stream. Everyone else talk. We'll just listen to Dovid us bar says blue.com 4000 SATs. Sorry, I'm low on SATs. Okay, bro. Just wanna you? Yes, I just want to say thank you for the D duping Dave. Also, is there any reason we can't already established a unique constraint on podcast goods in the PII database?

Yes. Okay.

Is that the answer? Or is there more? Is there more to it?

That is that is the answer. Because if if two podcasts have the same good, then we need to know about. We need to know which one is right. And if you just put a unique constraint, you may get the you may get the wrong one. We have to We it has to be resolved. That's That's what I mean. Like, yeah, you have to know that there. There's a conflict and then resolve that conflict. It's not enough just to ignore one of them.

So what do we do?

We resolve them.

This is where AI would come in handy. But I guess you and I will just do it by hand for now. Let's just make chips. Blueberry was the head electrician for cats the musical. Oh, nice. Cool. Very cool. That

is a cool job. Yes.

Did I tell you that I met Steven B in person at the meetup.

Oh, yeah. He doesn't leave his house. He did. He

came to the Austin. No agenda meetup was great. I couldn't stop hogging the list. I keep saying Come here. Let me hug you again. I kept this guy this guy without this guy. Nothing will be happening right now. Sounds great to see. So there's a huge boost here. But that was from 14 hours ago. So why don't you go down our list and let's see if it pops up on yours. Oh,

yeah, see? Well, I've got some get some paper. Hey, pals, Morris. We got Marco from overcast. $500 Marco.

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brother. In and out. He is. He is stable. Every month forever. Thank you, Marco. And we got the boys from Buzzsprout $500.

Bala and of course they were the big push behind the pod roll by them. You see what see what it does when you got a big a big guys like that and you go from your legacy to modernity, boom stuff starts to happen is good. And

I promised them that if they did if they built it. Yeah. Will you do the database porn? Yeah, we did. We got got that done. And we're gonna do more. So

are they are they going to do stuff with it? They're going to surface that on on their own website. I

mean, they already do that. It's already shout individual pages. Yeah, perfect. Perfect. Get some get some boosts on this boost giving. We've got the gene been 20 to 22. Through cast magic. He says you talk about dividing the podcast index Allah I Potter, it's almost seems it almost seems like the DNS analogy is spot on. Let each podcast host be authoritative. For the portion authoritative for the

this slice. Here's a weird thing. What if there was a top level domain, which do we know is a very complicated thing and it takes a lot of money to be approved as a top level domain. But this this is something that podcast hosting companies could actually do together. The top level domain there, the registrar, they make it affordable, or at least self sustaining, not trying to rip everybody off like an AI with respect like.fm Come on. Yeah, 90 bucks, but that becomes the

is a fantastic idea. Actually. That's a great idea. Like if, if they came together in sort of a coalition format, I mean, they've already got the PSP or whatever they could do. They could come together. In do a TLD Yep,

you can do your verification through that you can do it, make it make it basically a part of your hosting service. Oh, and you get this name, you get this, this subdomain or you get this domain name dot, you know, podcast or whatever whatever it is. Great idea. Isn't that the kind of the solution then we use the infrastructure of the internet. We have the the safety, the confidence of the hosting

It's got to be doable, because automatic did it with dot blog? Yes, I mean, in that, and I don't think they would have. I mean, if you spread the sort of the cost and the the administration across a coalition of companies, yeah, surely that's an absorbable cost. It's not too burdensome. I would think. I

think of all the things we could put into that.

Yeah. For real. That's a super idea. Yeah. Well, there

it is. There's the one idea for the day finally we got came

in the end it came in the donation segments. Oh, my God. Yes. See Jean being 2022. He says, By the way, I love what you love that you're driving forward on the activity club stuff, Dave? Yes. Thank you, man.

By the way, Ice Cube Ice Cube soup says Welcome to my suggestion from two years ago. Okay, man. All right, man. Sorry. Well, thank you. Ice Cube soup. Your idea? Your idea?

We'll give you credit. Yeah, the book No problem. Comic Strip blogger. Oh, wait, no. He came in earlier. Let me see. He

did. He's Yeah, he had to do. He's got his big AI test. Oh,

yeah. That's right. So I'll come back to the blog to the CSBs. Long Yank 2345 through podcasts guru says AC frequency boost. I used to be in the security industry and one manufacturer base the alarm system clock on either 50 or 60 Hertz. Many customers, particularly rural ones often complain their clock was wrong. And the manufacturer told us it was because the power grid frequency was not exact go podcasting.

About that. Yeah. Yeah,

that seems like a sketchy thing to do. I agree. Bill Prague, he's a hive guy. 2000 SATs through founding. He says you are already using a decentralized database with unique identifiers as usernames. You are just not using it for unique identifiers. Heard no complaints about pod things. So I'm assuming it works just fine. Insert hive joke. Thank you,

Thank you. Thank you very much, man. That's kind of you.

Oh, Jean being came in with a 1337 through pod versus as Dave, regarding monitoring of the index, do you have a specific endpoint you would like watched? In the last show? It kind of sounded like you had something specific in mind asking you because I think odds are good that I can do this monitoring for you. I would monitor the the iTunes look up endpoint. That's an open endpoint that doesn't need an API key. And that will just just pick a podcast hours or

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That's nice. I gotta go check the channel liquidity now.

Yeah, very heavy. David Adam, I heard you're pleased prospectively find those pesky duplicates in the database. And I'm eager to try and solve this with my AR skills. And my first check. I did not find any duplicates based on URLs. But should I be using other attributes to define duplicate entries? My quick look at dupes. Based on podcast gewiss guid was shocking to say the least. Yes, so you'll never find a duplicate URL because those are unique. There's a

Enclosure enclosure. Oh, yeah, that's the one. So

if you see conflicts there also check for there's a thing in there called hash a see hash. There's a few different hashes in there, check for conflicts on those check for conflicts on image art URLs. Blood look looks look around through there, you'll find a good combination that will give you clues as to as to good conflicts. Yeah, thank you for doing that. And they like and paying us for it. Thank you so much.

That's that's a beautiful baller boosts man thank you. I haven't seen one of those in a while. I love that.

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I think this could replace I think this could become the GUID just becomes the good. All right. Yeah, that your TLD I mean, your podcast gets a to gets a gets a domain, you know, behind the schemes gets behind the schemes dot podcast. And that's just now you're good. And we would put in a TXT record where the feed URL is.

And can we do verification through this as well? I guess that would be a simple thing. Oh, for sure. Yeah.

Yeah, you could put a signature in there some sort of demark type type setup. But instead of email, as you know, this is solving it for for podcast verification. I think it's does this

in fact, is this a part of the Fed ification of the index as well? Oh, absolutely.

Yeah, absolutely. Is this is like, a fantastic way to edify

the main thing is, it has to be an org, that can't be jacked by somebody. You know, that's the main thing. It would have to be some kind of a real nonprofit that does this. And this is where everybody can get in there and have their board meetings and have all your important hats on and stuff. So we solve a whole bunch of problems. Yeah.

I love this idea. I really hope. I will be advocate I will be an advocate for this. I want this to happen. Great.

Thank you very much chat room for being with us. For those you in America on this holiday, although maybe we're just a very welcome distraction for you because who wants to really talk to your relatives? I

mean, thanks for dare to Darren T for like, yes. Darren

and Jean. Thank you guys very much. Yeah, I think Darren and Jean, thank you so much. And I'll get my own server up and running. Dave, Happy Thanksgiving, my brother.

Happy Thanksgiving to you. Have a good weekend. Yes.

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