Episode 154: Fedified Blob

Oh, podcasting 2.0 for November 10 2023, Episode 154, feta find blob Oh, hello, everybody, it's time once again, for podcasting 2.0 only born from the hazards champagne room. Here's where we discuss the current state of the art in podcasting. What's coming in the future what is happening right now everything going on at podcast index.org The namespace podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama. That's not dirt on his

So, yes, a young discovered tonight at dinner young people have they don't understand humor? They're afraid of it.

They're afraid of it. Yes. I believe they're afraid of you. They're terrified

to laugh at things in front of other people.

Oh, that's horrible. Yes. You can't do that. Like they don't understand

that. Like, jokes about culture. cultural things are not the same thing as being mean. No, like, no. So we go to India, we go to the Indian restaurant. Oh,

and did you go a nice data your head how you doing? No, I did not say that. Okay, that was that will be me.

There was a picture. Let me see. Let me send you this picture. So when we get home, okay. Picture out. There's a picture on the wall. Yes.

You took a picture of the picture on the wall. You did know I found

it on the internet when I got home because I didn't know that this was okay. Let me see. Okay, so here's this. Here's this link.

Something. Okay. Yeah, this looks like some important dude. It does. Yeah, it looks like looks like Indian Santa Claus. Is that because we are the same Dave Jones. I'm certainly. So putting this in the show notes.

At the Indian restaurant in the first thing I said, I was like, Who is that? Is that Indian Santa Claus.

Your kids were mortified. My daughter

was like, Dad, she's looking around like she just bought drugs. And I was like, awesome. Like, I'm like, it's funny. Like, I'm like, okay, that's not disrespectful.

it to make it make

people laugh at American stuff all the time. You know why? Because?

Exactly. We're ridiculous. Oh, man, that is so that's too much. Yes. I totally get that. I see it right away. Yes. Indian Santa Claus. Yeah.

This is a very important guy. Oh, yeah. No

doubt. Well, that's as Sam said that he can. He can tell us we'll put it in the show notes. Ladies and gentlemen. This is your podcasting. 2.0 board meeting after dark. That's right. Welcome to the to the lounge where we discuss everything going on with podcasting. How're you doing? Mr. Jones? Can I pour you a martini?

Yes. Better. You have a cigar. You

know, I gave up the smoking. Right? Yeah, you

get a new grill. You don't want to tarnish it?

Do not not and you know what? I am good with my lungs. I think I polluted them for about 45 of the 59 years that I've been on this earth. I'm pretty good. Now I'm just going for the liver. I'm going to

see we can damage the moving target. You've moved targets down to the liver. Yes.

But I can understand that. You know, if if you and I were truly in this in this lounge, and you know, I think I'd probably want a martini and I think I just might even just to hold it. I might want a cigarette you know, just like they just hold it. There's this great documentary about Frank Sinatra on Netflix. What's it called? Give it to Sinatra?

It's no creative name.

It's it's mainly about his life in Palm Springs. And, and what I mean for the time, right, it's no longer that time. But one of the awesome kind of life that must have been hanging out with his boys, you know, going out every night to a different restaurant.

Yeah, the Rat

Pack the well no, no, he Well, The Rat Pack was the Vegas thing but this was just his guys okay. And he would read the Palm Springs newspaper every morning and anyone who seemed in trouble you call up his lawyers had send them money.

Well, I just love to be that guy. Oh, yeah. What a stood. Yeah,

yeah, but you wouldn't tell anybody It only found out about this way after his death.

Oh, so he's the Walmart. He's the Walmart is yes. Secret Secret Santa?

Yes. From India? Yes. And I want it since we're here in the lounge. I just wanted to say Dave Jones. Thank you for all that you do with podcasting? 2.0 Thank you for all the things that you do. You are not praised enough. I would have to say your habit dancing girl.

Thank you, Nan pray I'm praised. Plenty and too much. No,

not enough. No, I don't think so. I don't think I was walking with Phoebe and like, come on. We gotta get you gotta go. You gotta poop before the show. And you're thinking, you know? And I think maybe it's because you weren't feeling well. How are you feeling now, by the way?

Oh, I'm great. I'm like,

You're not coughing. Okay.

This cough is this is one of those calls where it calls for I can tell as it carves, like, that's a plural. Whatever that is. Yes. That you can just tell it's going to be around for a month. Yeah, it's Oh,

I hate those. Yeah, those suck

it up, get rid of it's just like this just niggles at, you know, I

think it's the older I get, I just the more I look at fatality or mortality, I should say, I just look at it. And I think, dude, I want to be doing this for a long time with you. I really do. I wanted to have to do less responsibility, you know, the Fed defying the index is a great mission that we're on. Now,

which I have, which I have, I have things to reveal.

Let's Why don't we why don't we start with that? Because that's, so people have to understand, although we've never really discussed it, I think per se as a as a mission is become an an almost an unspoken mission that you and I agree on, just in our soul, is you know, we need to eliminate ourselves. The index has to eventually be eliminated into something that makes this that everything just works without relying on us. And when I say us, I mean the index, because of

like that term. Yeah,

that's a good term. Yeah, I wonder if it's is an actual verb.

It is now that sounds as you can silicon Silicon Valley can turn anything into it, but just take just take out

the edge take out the vowels. Yeah, for different for the finger. For the fingers finishing the

so the ES the eye. And also this is going to take years. I mean, that's just it's clear that because it's so hard, you know,

no, that's not true. If you just use hive it'll be working tomorrow you know that?

Yes, that's true. We haven't had our call with no

we haven't we have we have to because he's gonna show us how to do it. Yeah, right.

Yeah, that's gonna it's gonna take a long time. So this is like it's I've honestly see this project now as the as the life that this life mission to to fortify the the index so that so that podcasting and its data is just this big, amorphous decentralized fat a fat blob, feta FIDE blob. Nice, yes. Verified blog.

It's kind of something we some people want to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. We want to feticide blob, you

get no recognition for that. Like, that's not you're not in any Hall of Fame's for that. That's just the thing you do and then you die.

Yeah, yes. Yeah, correct. You

have fun doing it?

Yeah. Oh, have lots of fun. That's the whole point.

So what I've been what I've been working on this week. Do you want to see it?

Oh, you Oh, you wait me you have something you have show until you have your link. Do you have a PowerPoint for the boardroom? Widgets. Okay. Oh, all right. What are you gonna give me here?

Well, okay, like, let me let me find a podcast real quick. What? Let's see, what can we do podcasts? Let's do club random because we mentioned as Bill Maher's. Okay, podcast because I had been listening to that a lot as it gets you

a lot out of it. HBO show and I'll tell you that.

Yeah, his podcast is actually really good.

Because he has all kinds of cool people on from all across the spectrum.

And he argued, he had Neil deGrasse Tyson. He just heard that.

And in that case, the video was kind of fun just to watch. Neil deGrasse Tyson get all uncomfortable. It's pretty funny to watch that.

He was he was like, at one point he sold him he's like You're ridiculous.

Pretty much

yeah let's see okay so pick podcasting index slash social no agenda social any any Mastodon instance you have okay I have one podcast index dot social in the search like you're going to search for somebody to follow type in 5195196349634

That would be the podcast index ID for

club random with Bill Maher okay 99636340 At okay at AP AP dot podcast index.org

Wow this is sexy

AP obviously standing for activity book.

Whoa,

follow get home What

is this? What is this sexy stuff? All right 40 posts

but we got a lot to talk about here with this

I have to browse more on the original profile though. Yeah. Which takes me which takes me to the okay

a bunch of JSON yep

I'm still I'm still amazed by what I just saw. So I'm basically I'm seeing a profile called Club random with Bill Bill Maher it has the app that 5199 64 At apt a pocket podcast index.org It has the show description Bill Maher rewrites the rules of podcasting the way it did in the television in the series of one up truncated. It's truncated and it says 40 posts and says bra Okay, so clearly something sexy has happened in here.

Okay, so what there is now there is now a server running at a P dot podcast index.org another server it's actually repurposed so it was with his not add to our to our monthly bills. Okay, I

approve all these things immediately, you know, improve on whatever you want to do.

The Alright, so this is an activity. I'm writing an activity pub server. Brit bridge, so this is going to

bridge Yes, yes, the

index to activity, man. And so this is

the next alpha the next step is bridging pod ping to this north that down the line? Well,

we'll we'll Britt eventually bridge everything's we'll put the index everywhere that people are man. So but on but on the back end, pod ping will also be into blood p2p. So that'll be it'll be in a DHT space. We're, you know, there's this is sort of the front end bridge, that'll be the back end.

The back end is the blob that we don't really have to know about. We just see the front end front end interfaces

doing his job yet, right. Wow. That Okay, so the, the, the service, what I started with was how do you know how do you write the most like minimal activity pub server possible?

Oh, I do that in rust?

Yes, that's exactly how did you know

I'm putting two and two together day.

So this, this, this server I've learned a whole lot about activity pub this week. One thing I learned is that all the frustrations of people that talk about activity pub being too tied in like the the activity pub people that are frustrated with Mastodon, that is a that is a real thing. And I now fully understand it. That's a valid complaint. Okay, it is very valid. Yes. Because what Mastodon Mastodon does its own

finger. Sorry, it

sing it plays that plays that jingle Yes. Sends a get request. After it's finished, it sends a GET request to the to API dot podcast index.org/dot well known slash web finger the end with the with a resource of 5199634. That's the parameters. You're right, right

and there and then it then it says, Hello mailbox what you got? Yeah.

And it's like, okay, what what it's resolving that is trying to resolve that to some actual data about this account. And then at that, we're at that web finger address. There's a JSON document that lists a bunch of URLs, one of which is what's called inactivity pub speak, the actor. So the so the actor in

got all the stuff here, we've got followers following features. It's got all that stuff in there.

Right. And so the so that's, so that's what happens next. So it looks up that does the web finger gets the URL for the actors document it and then and then calls it to get details about the profile for some reason Mastodon calls with finger again, I don't know why. I still haven't figured that part out. I don't know what it's doing under the covers. But then we wouldn't

have a public key here to authenticate that it's the real deal.

Yes. So activity pub or I don't know that it's required in the spec but Mastodon for certainly requires that did Yes, signing, right that the requests are signed, got

a podcast, good here, all kinds of groovy stuff.

So then, next thing it does is when it gets that actor document, the actor lists out a bunch of URLs, one of which are is your inbox URL, right, your outbox URL? The Fall, your feature lowers endpoint and the featured endpoint so you're so the featured endpoint is what are your your pinned posts. So if you call the featured endpoint you're gonna get back a list of pinned posts for that account.

itself would be startling and amazing in podcasting to see who else is following just saying

so right up front you cannot follow this account yet. Right? You can click follow and your server will think as you're following it but nothing is actually happening right right in the read the reason for that is inactivity pub world and specifically in Mastodon this made me rephrase that inactivity post world things are posted to inboxes that's how people get things Yeah,

so if you're following then you get that post to your inbox right so

if you follow when you click the Follow button and Mastodon to follow club random 5199634 It's what it should do is send a signed request to the 5199634 inbox URL on on AP dot podcast index.org with an action of follow and then apt up I guess index.org should respond and say accepted that's what should happen for some reason Mastodon is not doing that

right I even see Council follow because I would presume that there has to be some handshake here after I follow it has to say yes, you're following me so it's giving I just refresh the page to see if it had an extra follow or does not but it says cancel follow so that means that my activity pub account is waiting for some confirmation I guess.

Right it's waiting for a confirmation but it's but it's never gonna get one because it's not sending it and I don't know why. Right. So they there's a lot of things. Why not sure a white man Well it's Bill Maher's. So there's a lot there's a lot of things that there's a lot of questions I still have. Because this this, it took me about a week to get to this point.

Wow, while you were sick even that's amazing

of having sort of the framework necessary to take step two. So here's the here's the things that I'm still bothered by that I don't have answers to. And I think in Allah and some of this, I found out that mass these are Mastodon related issues. So. So here if the outbox URL, if you if you click on that or go to that, you get a list of all of the of all the posts, which should which are episodes. Now, let me see if I can actually let me see if I can pull that

up. I can I can go right now go to let's see. Oh,

here it is. Eric peepee. actually posted it come he posted it in the chat.

Okay, is it? Oh, yeah, yeah, boom, there it is.

Yeah. Okay. So these are, these are episodes. Okay, so that part works. Well, okay. And so what is happening is you hit the outbox URL 45199634 on the AP dot podcast, index.org server. It makes an API call in the background to get all the list of all the episodes and returns all the episodes as if they were Mastodon, or excuse me activity pub posts. That part

Now, how is this different from? Because this is so we're still hitting our server?

Yes, yes. For now. Okay. Yes.

How does this fit in FY

because it makes the it fed if edifies it by with this, this is this activity pub server software. The repos private right now because it's got keys and stuff in it. And I was strip all those out. I'm going to put make it public. Oh, and then then fetishize is then anybody? You we because there could be 10 of these. Right?

Right. Right. And anyone anyone can start what up? Yeah, I got it. I got it. Right. In fact, there should be 100 up. Yeah,

sure. Right. And so you would just, we can load you know, we can load balance it or through Cloudflare and give it all a DNS round robin, who knows how we're going to do it. But we'll figure that part out later. So Mastodon does not show the outbox. Of of old posts, which irritates the snot out of you know, I understand. That's it. So that's an issue. Also Mastadon caches profiles of show. So if I search for a show, now, like you just did with this one. It's not it seems to be

Yes. Well, that's that's the next part. Yeah. Yeah. So

we were going to need a SQLite database in this thing, so that when follow requests come in, we can note who it is. And then in the database, and which shows they follow.

So you're talking about a feta FIDE blob that includes the activity pub server and a SQL database hanging off of it. That's a Docker, Docker. Well, you

know what this is, this is just this is how the same controller

is what it is.

Not it? No, this is not this is free to controller to point to foreigners. Yes. This is this is the helipad framework.

There you go. Yeah, I got you.

I got you. It's literally the same code just reengineered to be an activity post server is SQLite database. It's literally the same framework. I love it. We've already got all right stuff there. And I'm

already deployed. So we just upgrade my helipad and and add those bits to it. Yeah.

Yeah, you just turn your helipad into an activity. pubs are just

fine. I'm good for it. I got five gigabits per second, I'm good.

So there's, so there's that. So we're going to need a database next. So we can keep track of all the follows. And here's, here's, here's a big one that I did a need. I'm saying all this out. So people hear you and help you and help me Yes, I need information. If anybody knows why any of this stuff necessarily doesn't work, and also advice, because right now you're searching with podcast index IDs, because

This is a great start, though. I'm excited just by seeing this part. Yeah,

I get this far. And I'm like, okay, all right, stop. Let's discuss publicly and come up with some things before I get too far down a path that we're gonna have to unroll, you know,

right. Well, while we're on that, then all right. When it comes to Mastodon as specifically podcast, index dot social, I would like to make a public appeal. Can we not start threads that are DMS. There's too much of that going on. People start with red tag a whole bunch of people, and it's only visible to those people. And here's why I don't like it. One is rude. Because exclusionary, it's like, okay, we're in a secret club, we're discussing this in the back

to true, very true. Yes. So I totally, totally agree a second this okay. Past

emotion, emotion emotion is is passed. Yeah. It's just like, let's not do that. Let's let's not do that. I don't like I don't like back channels. This is where podcasting went wrong. 10 to 13 years ago, back channels, Slack channels, they're still out there. I know, they're out there. Veteran Vitus to it. I don't lose not mean, I don't know if you've been invited to any slack channel. Oh, no,

I have not thank God, I don't want to be in any of that stuff,

you know, and then, and then stuff starts to happen. And then people don't know. And then when you know, then we're in a bind. So it's not I've

got way too many ways today. To get my attention already. I need fewer not more.

Exactly. In public is great. Public is good at this. That's the way it

should be. Open it code should be open source and should so should.

Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

It's Yes. You know, a lot of people are saying good. I'm totally fine with that, that, that, you know, we gotta figure out a way we got to figure out if that's easy enough for this to be usable. So Well, let's

talk about guid for a second because that was one of the long threads. I don't know if that was a private thread or not. But people like I love Alex gates. He's like me, it's like I'm going to reply to you and I'm making it now public. That'd be I'm making it not private boom public. Okay. Everyone's like, what what is what I don't know, what's the context of

want to, I want to talk about that to

the where are we?

Are we done with activity? Pub?

Well, I think it falls into it, doesn't it? As the as you as you wish. Yeah. Yeah. What I heard was, somebody

did come back to the let's, let's come back to the activity. But we'll talk about goo goo, it's in people's. Yeah, this conversation like, this has been necessary for a while that, that we need some way to. Alright, the person tag allows you to define all the characteristics of the person. But it doesn't have a way to sort of like unique globally, uniquely identify that. Your specific you're specifying that information in every single podcast. And episode, you're

Yes. Which is also on my list. Yes. Yeah. Do you want a handy one to do all this in one go?

Well, I think it's all the same. Yeah. It?

I think I think you're right, yeah.

So the thing with podcast goo is, is they're defined in the feed, because the feed is the source of truth, payment for itself. You know, the feed the feed defines itself, sort of, like, sort of like an actor in activity pub. It defines itself, it's got an ID in there. And literally, the ID is the URL of the page you're looking at. It's like, it's,

Is there anything like it that exists already?

I mean, like, the closest thing I can think of would be something like Wikipedia, you

know? Yeah, but not everybody has a wiki page. And that's right is not easy to get one you get you used to be able to set up a setup page up for yourself. Yeah. So we can if you build a service, you still need a validation.

You know what I mean? What do you mean by that? What do you mean validation?

Okay, I'm Adam curry. How do we validate that? I'm Adam curry.

Yes. I'm not sure that we even need a validation for that.

Okay. Well, go look at go look at Twitter. And look how many Adam curry fake accounts there are. And tell me we don't need a validation for it. No,

no, no, what I'm saying is we don't have validation for it. You can't nobody. There's no validation for anything in RSS, right. And so if we, if we, if you say you know if you say you're Adam curry and you have your profile picture and your link

by the way, I could see this and go ahead. Well doesn't make sense. Okay. So if I have a podcast, and I'm Adam curry part of that podcast, why can't I put something into that feed, which by definition is going to so the feed is the source of truth. And I put into that feed. This is the guy who you hear in this podcast. You know what I mean? No, no, no, don't think of following. Okay, so a podcast has people working on this podcast. This? Well, let's take this podcast,

You know what I mean? So your, your say, so let me, let me repeat this back to you and make sure I understand. So you're saying that, since you own the podcast, you can define yourself, and then everybody else respects that because they know that you're the feed owner? Yeah. Yes. And so then if you show up somewhere else, with that same as a person tag with that same good, it's like, well, yeah, that's that's legit.

Person sounds like this. That's obviously you're 40. Okay. Yes. That idea?

Human validation through natural means. Yeah. Yeah. Well, okay. So,

when we look, I have my banking details, basically, in my feed. Here's my wallet. Send me money. Yeah, that's, that's pretty important. So isn't it just as valid as my end is lots of stuff you can validate against? Hey, I just sent you a payment. Yes, I got it. What was it? 33 sites? Okay, check.

Verified. Okay. Okay. So here's, here's a good question. What is the problem we're trying to solve?

I think the only problem? Okay, what are we trying to solve? I don't know. I forgot. I think I think the problem was okay, so chances are the couple of things going on here. There's, there's the idea of a publisher channel that people have been talking about. It's like, okay, I'm a publisher. And I have a number of podcasts under my channel. I don't really know why I need that. But people tell me I do.

If it feels like it feels like here's, let's let's keep it let's keep it with persons for now. So that we can because that seems more we already have a tag for that. And it seems more easy Lasorda easier to get grasp. The it seems like what the apps are wanting to do. The problem that's trying to be solved here is something along the lines of show me all of the podcasts where Adam curry has appeared.

Yes, that's one thing. Yes.

So then, in that sort of that solves your music artists issue as well. Because then you can just say show me all the podcasts where Ainsley Costello Yes. Is the you know, roast

right but now it's kind of freeform it can be Adam curry can be a curry Adam Clark curry. You know, anyone could enter that and if so, to have a unique identifier for that would be desirable.

Yeah, so yeah, that's right, Steven. So I think it is to find all the shows that same person. Yeah. I'm thinking that if you know if that's the case, you just need you need a static identifier that just stretches So, you know, the you, Adam curry is defined on the person tag in this show with Gu ID 12345678. And then on the mere mortals podcast chyron inserts a person tag for his episode interview with you. And

which we can later identify? Yes.

Like, you know, it's just like, it just, it doesn't seem to have it, I can see this sort of central place that people go to, for create these identities. I mean, hell, it can even give you like a, you know, PGP key or a nostril key or whatever it wasn't,

I wasn't going to try it on the N word, but

but it's just like he could generate those things for me, right? Well,

how about this? This is I'm just going off the wall here. Isn't that what a DNS domain name is?

Yeah. What? A unique identifier? You me. Yeah.

My identifier is curry.com. And here's here's a thing in my TX T field. Record.

Oh, you mean for vote for proof of a possible?

Too much like too much. I took it too far. Well,

see, this is like the Nippo. Five and all this good. Like, yeah,

I'm not I'm not I'm not that interested in that in the validation part is less interesting than just having it. You see, I

think, yeah, I agree. That's, that's where I'm at. I'm just not sure you have to be validated. Like, it's because you're valid. Like you said, the validation is the fact that that's in the field, put your feet that you own, right. And so like if Bill Maher has an identity, a Gu ID of eight, six, you know, ACM 654321. In his feed, it's like, well, that's

And right now, we're only talking about a person good as it relates to people who are creators. Because if you're a guest and you don't have a podcast, then you don't have a source of truth. You're basically not real real person,

you know what I mean? But you're basically you're basically Neil deGrasse Tyson

I think we should keep it does I like this I'd like this to me is let's keep it simple because I can already see the 5000 posts thread on this which I'm not that interested in.

With private with private mentions. Yes.

Yeah. But just you know, like well, we have this and we have to have that we could talk about this for a long long time. But I liked the idea of just having a in your feed. I'm Adam curry and what is the actual What is the need to take a look what is the what are the fields what are the tags that we have right now?

In the namespace

now Yeah, well now just in RSS by itself for the in the feed so in the feed we have

the like author and stuff Yeah. What

is the what is the actual webmaster webmaster? Oh,

that's an old school.

It's very old school. Says Managing Editor Wow, there's all this what kind of bullcrap is all this?

Managing Editor forget about Yeah, we should just because Dave wonder wanted it to be, you know, one of the New York Times New York. Yes.

So we should we should add a tag for this.

No? Yeah. Yeah, that

person person. Good. So anyway, so right now we have podcast person, right? And maybe we just add a type equals in this case, how about that? So we don't have to go too crazy but podcast person. And and here we have URL image and then group role but that's part of the text harmony taxonomy. And then we just need a GUID equals.

Is that simple? Yeah, yeah, I'm looking at sort of the conversation in the chat. And there's, there's a lot of people talking about with finger and that kind of thing. That's an interesting idea. Because you could, if you wanted to bring in a validation piece, what you could do is something like, what you could reference like your activity pub account. Because, you know, like, you could go and say, like your actor, your actor ID URL. You can say, this is me. This is me, this is my Gu ID, my

do we get the podcast standards group to accept this?

Begging we beg we beg it is it? I think, I mean,

you know, what's a great what? A great unique identifier, an email address. Let's put that that's exactly what it was. That was that was the identifier. And we had to take it out. Because a cast was spamming everybody. Good work, everybody. Good work.

Yep. And you know, who, and people were bringing up pod chaser being this, they cast bought them to

bastards? That was literally the perfect identifier. Because you had email someone you can, you know, it's like it was perfect. No, we had to get rid of that. I think I think we just force it to go back.

Now, and everything's just email addresses, again, all the way down.

It's perfect. And we're all the way back to the podcast cars, right? We're all the way back to square one. It was so perfect. It's exactly what you want. How do you identify someone by the email address is perfect. And then we'll get spam.

I think the thing I think if we, if we can figure out some way to be able to reference an activity public count. I think that's a pretty I think that's pretty strong.

Yeah, I'm good with that. Yeah, that's, that's pretty cool. Because you can take that with you from server to server.

Yeah. Yeah. And then like, I'm actually getting pretty high on that.

Oh, hold on a second. Here we go. Ladies and gentlemen. All right. How are you feeling now? Is that when finger making you feel good?

You just cruised into some hot namespace talk without playing the jingle or you get a yellow card.

Some so sorry.

I think that would work.

I'm all Yeah. Okay. I'm good with that.

open discussion for people to do give ideas. Yeah. Yes. Fire away. Fire away. Well, there will be plenty.

Yeah, and from that, I think flows. Everything else can kind of flow. But it really comes down to and it's it's wonderful watching Dolby das and Barry. How they put things together for the artists for music podcasts. Because they're making it they're making assumptions to hear they're just they're just doing stuff and I really love looking I haven't looked at pod home.fm But I want to go through both the the

I 's or I don't know, I don't know, this is news to me. Well,

believe it or not, there's a GUID for recordings. It's the internet is RC international standard recording code, which enables an ISP like an ISP completely, which enables sound recordings and music videos to be uniquely and permanently identified is RC helps to avoid ambiguity among recordings and simplifies the management of rights when

As of today, yes, as

of today, it's you can already go and edit your RSS feed at pod fans, and make whatever you want to make. So I think these are all great ideas. I don't know if ASRC code has to be a separate tag or if it can just be a GUID. The, to me it feels like that's a good for identifying a unique recording.

So is there a hash that goes with it? I mean, like does it does it take the recording and somehow hash it?

The structure of ice SRC comprises 12 alphanumeric characters, which you'll be presented with the four character prefix is RC when displayed in printed form? So I think they you you register and it sends you back a code

see the code I don't know what that code really is. I was

like is RCA dash six Q seven dash two Oh dash oh four seven is okay i SRC code identifier, the prefix code five character alphanumeric code allocated by the I SRC agency. And then you get the year of reference. That's the last two digits of the year, followed by the five digit unique code assigned by the registrant.

Brother this is like this is like how you figured out if your tires are old. You read the code and you

change toys and 12 year my beer was born on November 1. There you go. Right. Okay. Well, it's, it's something that Julie Costello brought up and Julie Costello is really interesting. She'll send me an email said, hey, you know, this might be off the wall. But we had a question about an artist who wonder if you could put an is our C code into RSS to track a song has been uploaded. And I go that's interesting. And then I find out that she's talked to Sir Spencer and Abel Kirby.

Attaboy good job as Dan has been very neglectful, kind of purposely about the namespace repository because like, you know, we're not that far removed from from from the last phase and and trying to get some I'm trying to get some some code written do Yeah. And as to Matt, I can't have split attention in a million places. So the, at some, at some point, I'm going to finish, I'm gonna get this code to a good point.

I heard I heard, I was doing the show prep today, listening to podcast, weekly review, pod, Newsweek, Newsweek, and an hour. And James Cridland said, we should probably remove some tags from the namespace that are just not being used. I'm kind of against that. I think if we've, if we've approved something for the namespace, even if it's not used, it should just be there. Because there's stuff that that I've seen in namespaces that was not used, for instance, to the

1,000% No, I agree with

you. Yeah. It's like no, just even if I agree, 1,000%

No, I don't think anything should be to come. He can just if it's gonna die, it'll just die. I mean, it doesn't have to be it. I mean, look at activity pub. It took 10 years for anybody to do much of anything with that spec.

That's right. It was good. NEW SOCIAL wasn't it wasn't that's what it was initially. Yeah.

And then and then Mastodon picked it up and ran with ran with it. And now it's a huge deal. I mean, it Live it really did languish for many, many years before anybody do anything with it. So like, like alternative closure, very little used hardly at all. But the idea is so solid and so sound that one of these days, I host may see it and be like, You know what? That is? We need to do this because we have a specific use case. Yes, pod fans in depth.

We have a use case with POD fans. We need to start doing that right away. Yeah,

like you might be the right. The right use meats the right time.

That exactly it just is just the timing of stuff. Absolutely. That's the way

and once you put something in you cannot take it back out. Right, you really can't without break because it might break some people out there using it and also now they're out of spec. I disagree with that. I also don't think that I think the podcast Android project is doing a fine job. I wish they updated anything wrong.

I keep looking at the GitHub in the end you know, they I don't I don't see pod rolling their GitHub. This is what I don't understand. I

think their job is to move at glacial speed. Yes, our job is to move at the speed at the speed of you know scissors atomic broccoli, broccoli and the bed there their job is to move very very very slow and they're doing their job if I don't if they move fast things are going to get messed up

I agree

that they don't know that moving fast is a is a is a liability for a group like that whereas it's a feature for us so yeah, not I don't have any problem with the way they went the way they went the way they roll. Yes they didn't good couple other

things that came up and this it's interesting to see this okay categories is a is a is a big hot button. And it's really a hot button for one person. So Libra because he does show a music podcast about which is thrash metal music and he can't find thrash metal music. Now, so the idea was, we were what we discussed last we touched on the so this is not the same as medium equals type. This medium type equals this is categories and we you and I discussed in the previous board

We did, yes. Now this vouch for this. So

there seems to be some some, this is where you have. Okay, so apple won't accept that. And what that means? I don't know. I don't know what that is. Well, it's like, well, Apple categories don't work that way. So I'm not quite sure. I don't know. I don't know what that means. I just feel pushed back about, there's people I'm in favor of it. I'm like, Okay, there's couple things I'm in favor of tagging stuff however you want to tag it. Hashtags have worked

That's see this. This is the same sort of discussion as person and channels and did you introduce crack open a cold one?

Yes. Pabst Blue Ribbon, you better believe that? PBR baby,

the so there's a there's a sense here in which this is all okay. Um, so I'm trying to wrap my head around this, this category of issue. Because these, this really is the same sort of thing as a person identifiers, channel identifiers. And and then we can also say, freeform categories. So there's going to, there's going to exist in this in this world that we envision there's going to exist somewhere a list

Right, which Okay, so let me read the post that triggers us because what I am doing here is I'm just your eyes and ears on the street. I mean, the gutter. I mean, the podcast gutter laying down looking at the mud that people are slinging all over the place. You

get it? You're get you were in a ghillie suit? Exactly.

Certainly, we desperately need a mechanism to signal music genres, the sooner the better. Each day more albums get added that will need to be modified after we figure it out. I know only a small percentage will go back and add genres to their feeds effectively orphaning them from futures on genre searches. I was hoping that category tag would be on the way, by the way, a private post. Dumb and then okay, so and then here is the discussion. Quote, Apple will never extend

this is this is this category of problem is there seems to be it, you'd need to make this work, you'd need a lookup service, right?

We don't want to be there for all of these. We don't want to be that. Well,

I mean, we will always be all of these things, you know. But really, it needs to be something that is it, it needs to be something that's doable by more people than just us. And that, you know, I don't mind. So, this gets back to sort of, okay, we get front, you got front end, you get back. And so the front end of interface to podcast data. We're working on

Right? So okay, so you're right. So we, in essence, we have to be at first in parallel, we're running to distribute this so everybody can be the lookup service.

Yes. And like I would love for the lookup service to be something like some sort of DHT distributed key value store. Paging expera.

Locks, paging, Spurlock new services needed. While five cleaned up.

It'll be done by Fridays, but

How about how about this? I do I do. I do. How about this? Can we back it into? Can we Okay, so we have lookup service. There's a couple we have lookup services that we're talking about. Good lookups services. Category lookup services is called a hashtag. Activity pub actually does this. Yeah, if I go and look for a hashtag, I do hashtag let me see Thrash. So I'm doing thrash for thrash metal, and it's giving me

Do you know I mean, possibly, yeah, yeah, no, I don't know where you're going. So now we're

going now we're going to directions, we want to take the index and put it into activity pub. And we want to take the activity pub existing categories, ie hashtags, we just call it what they are. And we can reverse engineer those back in. Or, in fact, if someone tags, their song podcasts, or audio book, whatever it is, with a certain type of hashtag, that now fortifies into the fediverse through the bridge, take it to the bridge

is we're getting to spread out here. This this is a Fanta like the problem that we're running into now is we're we're thinking about way too many things at once. But it's all the same thing. It is all the same thing, but they all have different credit different implementations, you know, so, but you like a person a person, a person identity is one thing. A channel identity is another thing a freeform category data list is another thing. They they all have functionally different

Right. And we just, we just discussed the person good being a web finger lookup, that's, that's activity plug in that what we did,

yeah, but I'm just, it's like, I'm just a teenager at web finger.

Believe me, when I had to go to Reebok and say, Hey, you can finger my account to see what, what my profile is. They were like, what? From my dot plan from my dot plan file? Oh, I remember all this. I'm old. But But what, here's what overall, here's what I find exciting. So while we're talking about fortifying the index, there's all this stuff that Yeah, we could create an API endpoint and do all this stuff and create good lookups and create good person looks up and

Yes. So yes, go ahead. Yeah. Well, go the nasty, nasty Eurasia video of Alex Gleason's talk. Now he's, he's the guy that created so box activity pub server client. He, he gave a talk in Australia, because he's now funded by some Noster, you know, thing, whatever. And so he's all on that bandwagon. But he does a good talk to listen to, because he talks about, about a lot of these interrupts. And he, he shows a graph on there. And it's like, you know, the number of

A couple of dudes in a Bitcoin. Yeah.

And so, like, the graph that he showed really made it clear that you're you're right, the critical mass of activity activity Pub is you can't overlook that.

No, so easily the ROI. I mean, for five bucks a month, you deploy your own Mastodon instance, which, by definition is an activity pub node.

Yeah, and that, like, let's jump back to this to the AP dot podcast index.org. That, you know, that is going to be an open source thing that anybody can run once. And so then we can have lots of people running nodes in front of running a P nodes in front of in front of the index. until such a time when the index itself can be distributed. Then those nodes become district they become more like IPFS gateways, right. It's

take a while. Yeah, I'll take a while. Yeah, that's okay. Because yours because we got music to go with our work. It's no problem. I just have Benny over here, play the piano and we'll work on that feta phi and Vidya 20. Slit Benny 20 will give you some weed bag. Me done back Benny. Taco Well, this is good. So I'm excited by this because this is it's like we naturally bumping up against this problem. You know, Because the last thing we want, I know, I know you, you know me, we've

Yeah, we found out this week that we had to file some sort of tax thing and what the hell we were. You were like, Please tell me your brother in law could do this. We don't want to do like, begging my brother in law to do that. Like, this is business crap.

I love that he built us right away for 200 bucks. I'm like, Thanks, Greg. I'm good, man. Thank you. You should have built 300. Egypt yourself, man. We were so happy.

Yeah, right. Yeah.

What is this? This tax you talk of this?

Like this? Yeah. Anything to avoid real you know, real business. He crap is good in my bag.

I mean, you know, cotton gin, we don't have payroll, there's no payroll. There was, what's it called? Like, operating? What is it called? What is that particular tax called? It's like a franchise to franchise tax. We don't owe anything. We still have to file you don't have to file.

Yeah, there's no, there's no payroll. Nobody gets paid. No. You

don't need franchise tax. And this is a million bucks a year or something like okay, well, we still got a file. You

say you to file and say, Hey, we don't have any notes. We get a pain. You got to pay an accountant $200 To file something that says you don't owe anything is the most American thing.

America. That's right, baby America taxes.

In Alabama, they call it the business privilege tax. It's got the same thing. The privilege of doing business in

Alabama. Exactly. Exactly. Well, we're happy to be doing business in Texas. Yes. But yeah, that's exactly. Right. It's so right. Amen. We

will solve these problems. But I liked the way it's

going. I like this bridge. The bridge is an important piece. It feels good. It really does. It feels like Ah, okay, so now we can we reverse engineer these tags? backwards, you know, or is when we just think about it for a second. So in essence, you want to if you're if you're building your RSS feed, so it's going to be a weird crossover to how this works. But if you have your categories, your lookup should almost should be your your most it should be your local activity

can see. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, cuz cuz you, you just need a list somewhere and like that. The list can come. They'll see the list has to live somewhere. But it already lives can originate somewhere as well. That's

my point. It lives though. It lives so hashtag right. See if I do bull crap. Is that a hashtag? Let me say there is. No one's used it in the past few days where it's a hashtag.

As your graph down you gotta Yeah, hockey stick negative hockey stick.

Well, bull bull bullshit bullet bullet with an ITT I mean, see all I mean, there's a huge list. This lookup is instant.

All right, here we go. So In the activity pub bridge, the podcast and index activity pub bridge can take on the elite, here's the circle of life here so you you go on your your post about post an episode, we can aggregate the hashtags that are being used to then push a list did provide a list you pick one then it goes into your episode as the genre or whatever we're gonna say this category whatever category whatever then

the graph is up the graph is up and to the right yes, thrash metal Yes, exactly. Exactly. So the bridge feeds back into the system. This is cool.

And wouldn't that be the same with activity with actor as identifiers

do exactly same thing look it up right there.

It feeds it feeds back into the system and then and then we Trent we can translate to the bridge we can translate the activity the actor URL as the identifier back into the back into the the actor ID with the with the episode. Yes, yes. So now it's attributed to this person and

hit the pod ping how do we how do we respond to this? Come on. Come on. Come on. It's gotta be in there. I don't know brain brain. I'm excited by this. This. I think this is a really I hope Alex gates likes it. Is he is he does he like activity pub. Oh, yeah. Sure.

He runs his own server that little. That's, that's I've been testing against his activity pub. So bucks instance, per week does validate because I wanted to validate against something that was not Mastodon so that I can make sure that we're trying to speak as generic activitypub as possible. Yes. And so I was I was vowed I was building it to work on against his instance. Nice. Is it then I'm like, then I'll bring it over to Mastodon and see if it works there.

Yeah, I think there's this there's something here, Dave, this is this is I think this is a breakthrough. I'm not quite sure why I feel that way. But there's a breakthrough going on here. It

it just feels important. For some reason. I think it's because you like you said I think activity Pub has critical mass, you know who spotted this? Very early on? Was this sort of like this idea of integrating podcasting in with activity? pub was Benjamin Bellamy. Yes, because yeah, I suppose does that Right? Exactly.

You're so right. He's probably jumped out and sees probably jumping up and down going. I told you this was riots. You stupid Americans. I knew it already. Socialism.

Yes. This is this is. This is a he spotted it. And I didn't see it at the time. And, and I think I think he's, I think you have the right idea. Absolutely. Because activity activity, pub and RSS are sort of like, you know, two

sides of the same coin. Yeah, they're like, Dan says 40 posts. Wow. So dynamite.

But I do have a do still have a couple of you have a couple of issues. In that we need to figure out that okay.

Clearly something.

How to handle the key pairs. So activitypub needs assigning keys. And typically they are per user. So you know, you you have a private public private key pair. Now what

do you need these? What do you need these for? My help me out? What do you need? Why do we need keys?

So that each each user account has a public private key pair that they use to sign the requests to other activity pub servers when doing transactions. So if I if I go and subscribe, excuse me, follow you on your server, I have to sign it with my key pair to prove that is me actually doing it. Right. And so there has there has to be a signing thing. You know, I don't know how to handle these keys necessarily. Should there just be one key for the whole server that everybody

you run that by me one more time? The key the key generation key pair was just run it by me one more time. Let me see if I can grok this. Oh, I said

it. Oh, can you give me the so the key pair, it's pretty much just like PGP. You know, you have a public key and a private key. The private key, you're gonna sign your message to other when you send. So club brand, you're in the future, you'll be you know, you subscribe a club random Yeah. Then, when the club random gets a new episode, the AP dot podcast index.org is going to send an event to your inbox. Or it really to the shared inbox on your server, right saying,

you're saying? Actor proof. So you're saying, Do we have the index just has one, one key that signs everything? Now, you can't do that? Has to be individual keys, doesn't it? You

could there's no rule that says you can't. And that's what I'm wondering is this, if there should just be one public private key pair? On the index that signs everything for every one of these podcast accounts? Does that? Or if they should all be separate?

Doesn't that come into the follow? Bit? Isn't that unique to the follow? Me I don't know. I'm just guessing.

Yeah, I don't know. I am open to advice from the activity.

I mean, quite honestly, it Is it crazy for me to think that in the future podcast apps when you follow slash subscribe to a podcast, that that would actually be an activity pub event.

Are you talking about when you actually subscribe to the feed? Yes.

Well, no one where it says very few podcast apps when you subscribe to the feed. Haha, man, I'm my brain is hurting right now. Yeah, okay. So if you take activity pub as the subscribe pubs Pub Sub mechanism, does that not solve a lot of back end stuff that individual apps are doing with their own database as their own user database? Who's following what et cetera, et cetera? Right? Does that not replace

pretty much yeah. Because yeah, because you've there's all your stuff right there will

be serious. Whoa. That

will conjunct said all your shows would sink to Yeah, you

could take your followers with you, man. It brings in cross app comments.

Well see that's very interesting. Obviously cross out comments is is is baked

in Yeah. Because

that's being you know, as like I said when you when you have a list of posts, the outbox is the list of posts list of episodes and the each episode is just is also has the the social interact tag data in it. Okay, devil's advocate comes along with it devil's advocate, the devil's advocate. Yeah.

What reasons would podcast apps have to not want to do this?

You do the double negative. I'm confused.

Okay, so we so we basically are coming up with a system here. Oh, man, you could almost publish from your podcast app. Oh, my brain hurts to like

930.

Maybe we're going too far. Maybe we're going to,

we need a better way to back it up. I see where you're going, though, and I like it. It's it's very far down the road, though, as I say, but I see where you're going. Yeah, I still don't know why follow the Follow button doesn't do anything on Mastodon with trend, why was it not sending me?

Well, that's just some kind of handshake that's not completing that we'll figure that out.

I'm not seeing a hit. Not seeing the hit on the on the on on the AP server. But and then and then status IDs. So the unit statuses like episode statuses are episodes.

Yeah, this is Do you know what I mean? Yeah, but Well, it's it shows up as a post but an activity problem. Sure. It's called status. Yeah,

it's called a post. It's called us. Yes. Yeah.

Just to make it simple.

Yeah, right. Let's go stat, the insert these every one of these things has an ID. And I'm not sure where you would think that the Episode Episode ID within podcast index would make a perfect status, because it's just a big lump on number. But then again, it's tying it to that to that to the index, which doesn't seem right, it seems like it should be tied to like the GU ID,

maybe maybe if we just we stick to the publishing side first, just to make it simple. To the publishing side is where the biggest problems are right now. So the publishing side, we have what is a GUID? How do we look up goods? And that's it as its publishing. It's also of course, it's also the receive side, but how do we look up goods? Okay, activity Pub has a has a way to do that, as a way to register goods as a way to authenticate goods, which can be people can be all kinds

not initially. I mean, initially, we we can just Britt, you know, we can be the bridge. Okay. It, I think what's going to happen is this, this code, once we get it to a work working state where it's doing a lot of the things that we want it to, and it's reliable, then it's open. And I think at that point, there will it'll be easy for people to look at it, see

you just click on that link click boom, it opens up the the appropriate app.

Yeah, you're in pot. You're in pod. You're in your Mastodon client. The post comes through, you just you know, you say okay, I'm on pod verse or I'm on podcasts guru or pod fans or whatever and you just tap it fountain and it kicks you over to your to your app like it's not meant to be a destination is meant to be a bridge,

a bridge literally. Just to address Eric PPS COMM And he says Who needs RSS at that point episodes are posted? No, because we know that activity Pub is not not a great system for high volume polling and high volume follows So you want to just general want to just reiterate why that is? Because of the subscription? overhead?

Yes. The way that activity pub works, you know, is it posts? It's a push, it's a push based system is relying on on the server that creates the content to let you know that the content is there. And that that's, that's okay. That's actually that's efficient, in the sense that you don't have to poll is inefficient. In that you can, the receiver can get

I'm just looking at the podcast index dot social, the sidekick Syo is killing it. Oh, man. If you see how many failed there are over 2 million CI Oh, yeah, that's in one month time and failed 2 million, 2 million fails.

Sidekick for people that don't know is the task server that runs on with Ruby on Rails that takes care of sending all that into Mastodon in the mastodon world decide cake process is sending all those outbox rules, excuse me sending all those inbox pushes. Yeah, it's

insane out everywhere. It's insane. It really is.

If it was more pool, if it was more pull. To me, it would make it would be more like ours. So it would make a lot more sense. Yeah.

But it's not.

Yeah, this could be NC we have the benefit of pod thing.

Yes, exactly.

Everything is so much more efficient, because we're not going to, we're not going to send out you know, we're not going to be polling all over the place. If you get if you subscribe to a podcast to the bridge, you know, you're out you're gonna get you're gonna get one shared inbox paint hit. That's it.

I think this is this is a good this is I'm excited by this. I mean, I know it's still kind of fluffy. But I can say fluffy. It is fluffy. But I can see it. I can I can see how it's how it's going to work. I can see that this is the it's just sitting there activity Pub is it just sitting there ready to be used for whatever abused, really abused by us for whatever we need it for. And as its as such, it has such mass that it's I think it's really good. Now of course,

he's gonna talk about discovery to you. This really helps discover Yes,

of course his block lists, which will be interesting, but that's a whole nother thing to deal with eventually. It's

surely we initially won't be on on any because this is a new domain that won't. We won't have a prayer because podcasts index dot social is on block list, but podcast index.org is nice. So maybe we'll have a we're on block lists. Social Yeah, we're on block lists. Why? Because it's affiliated with you. Oh.

Really? That guy? That guy? Really? I'm uh, we're on BlockLess because of me. Oh, that's nice. Yeah,

we talked about on the show of a long time ago. It was like, all these stupid reasons. You know, the reasons are hilarious that they give us all is like a you know, no agenda social adjacent or something.

Man. That's amazing. That's crazy. Shall we thank a few people, man. We just we went through a buck 40 There. That's pretty good. All right, let me see what we got coming in Dred Scott. It's a lot less than normal, of course, because this is the boardroom after dark. Dred Scott bread 23456 Missed the Go Live as I've been canning pumpkin butter. Well, we all have priorities. We all have priorities drag. Catch you on

have we got we got one. Pay Pal for the week, we get Oscar marry $200 from the founding guys, and that deserves a

stock call off what is blades? Only him? Paula, thank you so much, Oscar Mary. That's very much appreciated.

Yeah. And we'll I think we discussed his proposal and we're well, towards the end of the month, we'll get back I think we can hopefully if we can get we can get some consensus and everything around that.

Adding a new type to the the, the value block.

Value recipient, recipient, yes. Okay. So that so they can have Lightning Lightning addresses in the value recipient deck? And I really don't, you know, so many people are using Alby. Now, I don't think it's going to hurt anything, because it's gonna it'll be the apps can just hand that lightning address to Alby and let it resolve that itself,

which works fine. I mean, sovereign feeds does that. And so we don't have to resolve with that'll just be a wallet, a wallet provider resolution? Yeah.

Yes, right. Yeah, no, I don't think you'll have to resolve all in app that. I don't think this is a scary change, I think it's, I think it's going to be fine. It's going to make it will make things easier for them. Because if they have to change infrastructure, if they have to switch their nodes, lb and fountain hosts so many nodes, is difficult for them to track down all these podcasts that are still going to be using the old pub key. So and it doesn't, it doesn't prohibit

He was I think it was boosting to be in the chapters, which was by the way, oh, that's kind of nice. It seems like everybody kind of resolved that. Seems like most of the apps have gotten the TOC equals false working for them. And I don't think I think it's the problems have kind of kind of gone away. It's nice. I'd like that.

Yeah, I haven't seen any complaints about it lately.

So I think podcasts the guru still needs to implement a change maybe but I've only gotten one complaint. So in the end that that guy was like, Okay, that's cool. You said hey, the chapters are all messed up. No, it was it was it was an app that we didn't even know about I caster has never even heard. Yes. And I cast her apparently is doing chapters and from what I understand the web version at least of Pocket Casts also does cloud chapters now. Yes.

Another another reason why it's It's okay. We pause here for a little while with the namespace because three years later answers is just coming on board.

That's a big deal, man. That's a big deal. I think that's phenomenal because booster grams we've been showing up on Pocket Casts according to Dame Jennifer.

I hope that pre stages some more some work on the actual native apps. Yeah, wouldn't

that be nice? Yeah,

that'd be wonderful. Yeah. Every piece is podcast indexed as social as 82 blocks and then a social has 920

Yay. We're number one.

All the blocks on the podcast index dot social, just say Indian Santa Claus beside them.

We just added 15 blocks to our to our Mastodon

gene been 20 to 22 Row ducks to customers. A cosmetic he says Bring on the ipv6.

Isn't it amazing that the a cast was the CEO? I was really baffled by this. It was pod news was reporting on it that the CEO said, Well, you know, our list our downloads are down. Because Apple changed the automatic downloads like what do you just say the quiet part out loud dude. What did you just do? Really? You didn't just say that. Did you? Yeah, that's even funnier to hear James had no I can't be Apple yet. It'll be Apple next month. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't just prove that is

No, no, I think you're 100% Right. That's

I thought that was funny.

The other the other one I love this week with everybody reporting their earnings. You know, is like we were you know, they always report revenues up and it's like, still not making a profit. most

profitable. If we only fire five more people will be profitable. Uh, come on, guys.

pesky payroll. Chat F 10,000 SATs. Great episode today. Thank you, Chad. Appreciate it. Thank you, brother. See RP. 1984 4000 SATs through fountain he says currently using fountain and even after digging through the menu, I did not see how to bring up the artist info. Thanks for the heads up, Adam. I'll dig in some more this weekend and find that

I think what he's talking about is when we have a magic wallet switch, also known as value time split. And if you're in Fountain you when you're listening to a podcast that has in this case, as you're talking about music, you go to the References tab on that episode and then the References tab will show you all of the artists all the tracks that were played in the song and on that podcast guru it's the V four v. Logo works really well. It's very cool.

Did you Did Mr. Graham ball live right?

I did. I did like an hour and 20 minutes I couldn't stop. Oh, wow. I love that. I

love the image check the top. The top 1x x it

was top 156 for me today. Oh top 159 Actually let me see what is it right now? 167. Um, we got a lot of tops. pirate radio number one. We got shrooms. By the way. I want to say hi to Barry from pod home.fm Just a Dutch guy.

Oh, yes. He and he

was interviewed if you haven't listened to it yet was interviewed on pod news weekly review. And he said something to me in Dutch is he will do seller base it here. Okay, so

now now who's this is like an audio DM. That's exactly what that was.

He apparently has his service you. You just throw your podcast in there. And it does everything and it comes back after like a minute and says, Here's your transcripts. Here's your title. Here's your here's your chapters. It doesn't all in one go. Yeah. Oh, crap. He said I have no, he was a great term. And I have no not code legacy. But oh, there's a term for it that I really liked. Like, no, because when you have when you have old code that you just have to deal with and you

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Yes, some breeze is working on stuff. One of the vet developers at breeze the enemy on podcast index dot social is

working on VTS right now your time listen I think so you and I saw that some of our devs are looking at the breeze SDK.

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Not just about it was during work hours. So I was I was checking the curio I looked at it and it was a curio caster. Yeah. Okay. We're in we're Murphy. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Pod verse.

Yeah, the pod verse on the web version one. It's great.

Yeah, it was it was perfect. Like God bless you. Roberto and Ben for like doing some sort eating your own dog

food. Yes, yes, exactly.

That is we need more of that people in people in podcasting, using podcast apps to do the stuff. Don't you know, instead of jumping over to, to YouTube or something else, yes, use the apps use the apps in your own ecosystem. I

thought it was. It was really cool. I love that because it's one of those things. Now, did they organize this podcast? That was RSS as deal? That was their own? I think?

I think so. Yeah, they have a big presence in Mexico. They're real big push down there. You

know, those kinds of things. It's like risky, and it could be you could wind up looking like an idiot. So I for the same reasons, Dave, I appreciate him like, Oh, that's so cool that you guys did that. And yeah, you know, and there's this there's this. I know that Alberto is going to write it up because there's a there's a live show that's going to be taking place I think in December or January in Avenue one I think it is it's in Minneapolis be like Prince's old club or something.

don't listen. I've never listened to his shows. He does a live show.

Yeah, I think he does alive. Yeah,

I think the crew Crowder, go, yeah, that that that would be killer, that we just need more. More than just need more of this. We need more of people in the podcast world using podcast apps to do their stuff. Because I mean, if you say your pot, if you say if you talk up if you say podcasting is where it's at. Prove it.

Yeah, Todd. Todd. Whoa. Well, come on. They they do it live doing it. He's

doing it live.

He's doing the audio. He's doing the audio, but I don't think he does the video. I don't think he does video that that's on. I believe they do that on YouTube. I

want to see the podcast. What are the words that he does? Well,

that Well, I don't want to wait another year for the next new media show.

But these conference type things where do you do you know, like these events? Yeah.

You know, maybe, maybe, you know, I'm gonna get mad one of these days and I'm just gonna do a conference. No,

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cross. Let me see if I have anything else on my list. Pom Pom Lucy. Well, just even though we passed the topics Mozilla is working on fare defying in the browser, I guess was that the article we have in the browser here activity pub in the browser? Curl now does IPFS

yep, that's the deal. But

they use a gateway, right? It's not really an IP, it is not doesn't have an IP Fs client. And it magically you can just define a gateway.

You can you define a thought you define the Default Node.

Okay, so it doesn't include a node you can you can define a node on your own machine. I

think that's right. I did. I don't think it's using a gateway I think is native. Because it's talking about I mean, I think it's native. I'll have to reread it but I thought it was native.

Well, I thought I thought it could breed the native IPFS and then it would retrieve it from the gateway you define. Maybe Maybe I saw that wrong. Maybe I saw that as

a basis for get merged into curl. I love curl with you. I'm a curl guy over wi yet it's got way more way more capable. At the first input there are various ways to access data one such ways to conserve gateway. Or Lani, Evie, there's integration curl hides this gateway logic for you. So instead of providing a full URL to a file on an IP Fs like this you can provide it with the FAA as a protocol Yes, you're right you're

my SIR wins again. Yeah, yes, yes. Anything I'm good at it's man. Man Man curl. And thank you very much Spotify for pushing more people towards value for value music pushing us toward the value verse. New term New term I came up with today. The value verse Yes. By no longer paying people any money great. We're so appreciative. Like, you have to be played at least 1000 times a month before you get any money and the money if so if you have 999 streams, they give it to Taylor Swift.

It's hilarious that it was it was Twitter or something? Where did I see that check of somebody who had like a whole ton of streams and it was like 1000s and 1000s 40 bucks.

I think that was I think it was on I might have been on the mastodon I saw it and then I love and Sam Seth he was doing some great math I love that. He's like you know for all that you know if you'd done it by this and divided by 15 Square root you make more on value for value. That's right. always true. It's always true. All right, brother thanks for giving up your Friday night this was well worth it. I love being in the in the boardroom after dark with you

yeah that's that's yep conflict today day jobs happen so now's this was good.

We should just plan this in from time to time just do I love I love doing a podcast at night. Nice and dark and get everything off. I got the green visor on.

gamma gamma lamp on the road casters. I'll pretty well,

you could see that. You could see the lights. Yeah, yeah,

we need to yeah, we'll do we'll do a brad every now and then once in a while. That

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