Episode 151: One Big Table

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I can claim rookie status in podcasting.

Yes. What do you say? What are you gonna say?

I mean, three, three times in a row. That's not Adam curry quality.

It's been a rough week. I I took Tina to the to the airport yesterday, San Antonio. She and six girlfriends are now in Bryce Canyon.

I knew it. It well knew that Tina was gone. I knew that before we even started the show.

Well, that's interesting. Because yeah, so here's what happened. So I take her Wednesday. Traffic is horrendous. So it takes me four hours to get there and back. And then and I promised chyron I would do the mere mortals podcast. And so that you know, and so I started that at 9pm. So I got back, you know, I literally stopped at water burger jam to water burgers down my throat. keto, right, yeah.

is something you do you watch baseball,

which is I guess, an important game.

This is not this. Okay, I see where all the problems are starting now.

Yeah, you know, now the guy owns a winery. This is the international arms dealer and his friend who owns a very large, very famous winery here. So we had some really excellent wine. Yeah, and then it's like, oh, okay, I'm home and then it's Friday and I got to do all this stuff because Tina is not here. So yeah, and then you know, so yes, you're right. I'm out of sorts. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Hi,

Karen. You bastard This is your fault.

It is a little bit it was nice. It was it was fun to talk with with kind it's been a while I think had been a year maybe since we had maybe even longer since we had last time you did the V for V show. No, no mere mortals. Oh, I

thought you did memorials last time in favor of at this time. No, I must have been back

no I've not done V for V i think it's only been mere mortals.

Oh, which is fine. Still queued up for me out I haven't listened.

You mean the last from the last year the last time I did

not listen to the last one. This new one.

So I've been something amazing happened. I love it when when this happens in in the podcasting 2.0 band of vagabonds because what else can we call ourselves? This is this is the most

you can't say gypsies anymore. What's the new word for that?

I wish I could Yeah, gypsies is actually fine. But yeah, I know we'll get all kinds of problem with the gypsies.

I'm not I'm still not I'm still unsure why that's been canceled out of the lexicon. But is that no you

can say is you can say gypsy you can't say Jip. Oh, you can't say that was a gyp become your thing racist against gypsies to

2.0 band of gypsy

band of gypsies you know what's gonna happen get some gypsies come and mess me up.

Oh, Nathan G says Romani Yeah, you're supposed to call a specific Romani

doesn't have quite the appeal of gypsies. It's not as fun of a because I imagine John Spurlock can was like a big gold earring.

Nose Nose ring. Yeah,

no yeah, nose ring with a skull Cadillacs wearing suits. With big, big, ballooning silk shirt.

Yes, here's a blouse,

a blouse. A blouse. Yes. So just threw an idea out there about, which was inspired by a chat I had with Alex gates about putting booster grams into chapters dynamically. And here we are one week later and it's running and all my shows

realized out of the ether,

and it's working, and it even has cool things like top boost. I mean, this. This was so fast. I love you, John Spurlock that was hilariously fast. Yes. So

what a great term hilariously fast Yes. seems to happen in this group has happened. Hilarious. Yes,

it's the reflex service, which immediately makes me think of flat flat flat flex. Duran Duran is the reflex. You don't remember the reflex Duran Duran is reflex? I don't think a reflex is a lonely child his way. Yeah, they're making up the lyrics here. And today, it's already an inch in integration in sovereign feeds. So I don't even have to figure it out what the podcast guid is, or the episode guid pod, it goes right

And what's gonna, what's gonna happen is we're gonna get so many redirects to may enable services like this that like in the enclosure URL, there's going to be like, it's going to start exceeding maximum URL length sizes in in like, you know, host headers and stuff. But first

headers well this isn't on the mp3 file. This is only on the chapter file.

Yeah, okay. Well, same same thing same

redirect No, no, no, no, you grab it directly from him and he's if you have an existing an existing chapter json file, he sucks that in and he hands it all back on his reflex.io URL. So just one URL.

Yeah, but I think it's a redirect chain because he's got to know where the original was to do the pass through.

So yes, you're right. Yes. You're right. You're right. You're right. Hey, it's works. I don't like I can't I can. I mean, there's stuff going on. I saw Andrew Gromit working with Mark void zero on course headers. What exactly was that about?

Well, our, our our feet, and I'm guessing it's all of the mp3 in a sonos.com feeds, all of your Elvis stuff coming off your CDN. I'm assuming that they all suffer from lack, of course, preflight.

Oh, Andrew grew up with, by the way, Andrew Gromit to have him in the group. Let me just say, Andrew from it. Yeah, he's

old school.

I mean, you know him, of course, but Andrew, he was one of the if not the, one of the first devs to show up after I put the iPod or script out and said, help. And he showed up, and it was that was the original iPod or lemon. I think he's what he worked on. And that was a Windows app was an application. We didn't have. It was executable. And you know, it was with Andrew that we learned things like, it's not a good idea to download all items in a feed the minute you

And 20 years later, Apple podcast just fixed it. Good word was 20 years. Yeah, good work. I think Andrew where? I think he was involved with AECT for poets. And I mean, like he pops up every now and right. Yeah.

And of course, he was employee number one, I think at pod show. Oh, okay. Right. Yeah. brought him in right away. And he ran the me. We do some fun stuff. Man. We had the big is he a Google new? Is it? I don't know where he is. I thought he was a Google most a lot of the pod show. People went to Plex. We're not Plex. Now plunk. Splunk, Splunk. Close for the

big day. The data

plug whisperer, and I think a lot of them got pretty wealthy off of the IPO. Because most folks got in before before the IPO. I suppose the big deal. Yeah, the Splunk people did did well. And Andrew just a good guy. He really is. We just have fun stuff. We did like the golden ticket. This was dai

instead of such a clever idea. Can't believe nobody's resurrected that and done it again.

Well they have it just use it for ads now. Yes, but as a contest promotion yes fantastic. It was it was really fun to do that stuff. We did a lot of fun stuff until it just didn't get fun. And Andrew I think he still hung in there after I left which is amazing. Yeah,

well that's when it gets really not fun when people start bailing out at the top and you're still there Yeah, not fun at all.

Well, we also got I can't remember why but uh, probably the this is investors VC you know guy you need a real technical guide we got some former Mossad Israeli guide to be the technology lead suite and you know, that was my first experience with Oh hands what we're doing an all hands stand up what stands up we're gonna stand to inner circle and talk okay

like this this tournament this is Silicon Valley terminology a half of it. I still don't understand. Stand up. I don't even know I don't know what a stand up is. I see people use this terms. These terms all the time at halftime. I have no idea what they're talking about. Well, they

literally just stand it's just I guess to keep the energy high. You all stand up and you go around. It's our Monday morning. It's not a good product. It's not good. It's not good to do this early on Monday morning. So

you just call it the thing that it is it's

stand up all hands I mean, I fall asleep

but yeah, the spirit this this burlock extravaganza with the chapters was great. Oh, he also did something very valuable that may have been missed.

Oh, I put I put it in the show notes that to be made. Yes. The breakdown of which apps and blip tend to vie record fields and what they send yes, this was a great idea. I put it in the show notes for everybody to go check it out. And there's some of y'all are deficient. Saying

we know who we are

we even I know now who you are. I see you breeze not sending a good

you Yeah, there's this this was sorely needed. And I was trying to communicate this stuff individually to the app developers over the last you know couple months and it was a better idea I like the way he did

oh yeah cuz canal matrix Yeah, now even I can shame people.

Now we can be public everybody can be embarrassed who was the best?

Who was the best? Let me see. I think curio caster has pretty much everything. And fountain also pretty pretty cool curio caster and cast ematic are the only ones who have the reply. Custom key, which is cool. I mean, it's not I can't use it anywhere yet. But I can just see mail give people a little bit of time with with this with this reflex service. And I think we'll come up with all kinds of cool ideas. I mean,

I want to go look at your show. We'll see I'm gonna pull that URL up. See what it looks like.

It's a JSON man is like Jason is some cool. Jason's to JSON.

template. Let's see what what show? I guess yesterday has no agenda would have it in there guy. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We got to look at it, see what see what the what the structure that? See, where's this? Okay, so

what's nice about it is and I haven't, you know, I'm sure that an exact overlap may never happen, but the existing chapters that dread puts in, which he also puts in later. So it's kind of cool because it takes him a little bit to get the chapters and chapter images in. And while that's happening, Chapter chapters are being created with booster grams. So

Yeah. Oh, this Oh, the chat. Steve Steven bass saying we need an RSS identity for listeners to Avatar could be in the feed. Yeah, he was talking about that the other day, but then half had RSS fingers. Web finger could play. That could be a role for that.

Now what this is where this is why we develop es OPML Dave What are you talking about?

Oh, yeah, no, but when things were Finger couldn't be a good I mean, that's already in play and the activity pub made that a thing. Mass

Oh, okay. Just so this existing profiles can be pulled up. I had an idea i, this may be something you were thinking of. And because me, it's like whenever I hear the new media show this, like, I get so discouraged because I'm talking about YouTube, half the time. And I realized that I'm kind of the same way. You know, I'll talk about noster. Yes, yes. Yeah. So I don't want to go too deep. But can we reverse?

So that, you know, I was thinking about this post by

let's check out JB 55.

JB 55. Yeah,

I have the post you want me to read?

Yes. Yeah. Okay.

This is the damos Damas developer. And we both saw it because I guess I saw someone has the noster relay setup. Bridge. Yeah, the bridge. Yeah, the bridge. Yeah, somehow I'm following this guy. So I see him. Thanks to some analysis from our intern at F Oh, seven EO b one a. According to opt in appstore analytics. One of the biggest issues with Dominus is user retention. 99% of people stop using Dominus after six

Yep. I mean, the I don't know if you saw my reply.

Yes, I did. I don't know if there's that work, because the bridge go two ways.

It does. Yeah, it does go it goes both ways. Yeah. So the really there is, this was if this was foreseeable, obviously. You're exactly right, is that the lack of an algo? Makes makes the lack of a dopamine hit. And, and not a lot of people, you know, were there. Yeah, it's that, you know, there's, there's all the normal problems. This is not me, this is not immune to any of the network effect type issues that we always exhibit. But it's, there's this, there's this

Because actually, that's stag Hodel. Yes,

the answer? That's the same thing with the with Nasr. So once you get there?

I think that's I think that's overvalued though, by by the NOS it. It's cool. But I think it's, and it's also been crippled by by the Apple Appstore. I think the the ZAP thing is, I mean, it's just it's overvalued by the network. That's not what people expect from a social network. In fact, they have the exact same issue RSS has, which you can call an issue or not, is discovery. You know, there's no discovery

Well, you know, the, the thing here is the zaps are not it. These apps are not the aha moments apps are not the big. The big thing, because I mean, you can already do that other places, so that the reason boosts are a big deal within podcasting. 2.0 is because you can't do it anywhere. You can't it didn't exist. It's not native to the podcasting ecosystem. Right. To have a to have a way to send a message back directly attached, you know, scotch taped to, to some money

was stuck with chewing gum, actually. Yeah.

Okay. And that's not normal within podcasting. So it was an aha moment. Because the podcasters when they see that they're like, Whoa, this is crazy, right? This is not that this is something that's not native to the, to the to the protocol or the ecosystem. Zet, zap, sending, sending a message? Well, that's what the that's what noster already does. Yeah, it already sends a message now. Now you're attaching some, some money to it. But you could already do that with a lightning

don't you think you can you can actually send a message can you? Zap is just, it's just a direct payment? I don't think there's an opportunity to pull

it out. There's a message. There's a payload field out there. Yeah. But the, but it's not. I mean, it's like, Well, okay, I mean, I can just post a QR code and get a lightning payment. I mean, it's not, it's not revelatory, right. In the in the way that that it was without even

before zaps the, the, the big deal about nostre was, it's censorship resistant, which, arguably, RSS is censorship resistant. The proof is in the pudding.

I would say RSS is more censorship resistant, that you go. You have less, you have less aggregation points, right? Yes, he's me. Yeah. So we have more and more aggregation within noster. Yeah. Because you have, you really only have a few big, really big relays.

And this is, it's really interesting. You say this, because this is exactly one of the problems I get, no matter what app I open, invariably, it's not connecting to all the relays and my followers, my subscriptions aren't the same. They change. And as I'm sitting there, I can see you go, Oh, no, I have this many followers and have this many I'm following Oh, we just went up again, because it's connecting to stuff. And that's kind of the opposite of what you

And they've they've come up to this to this wall. Yeah. To this rug. And I had an idea of how to help them.

This was the the tease you gave me yesterday.

So I've been thinking, you know, we've we've had this discussion about decentralizing the index even further. And I've been looking into and thinking through ways to do that through alpha for a long time, have wanted to do things over live p2p. And in that, that DHT space within IPFS.

The DHT isn't distributed hash space.

Yes, sexy,

sexy, sexy.

So this is all that's all good and everything. But but then I started thinking, you know, that's the that's the sort of, not wire level. But that's that's it at a lower protocol level. What would it be interesting to extend the API, beyond HTTP REST, functionality into being speaking in the native distributed protocols. So what I mean is like, if the API

you can choose, you can choose your, your app of choice.

Yeah, you get deep links to the episode or whatever, whatever data is being requested. So that is because here's the here's, here's the thing, in my thinking is that you know, noster suffers from, from what happens to a lot of software projects where they feel like they have to, they have they're going to reinvent everything and in this is right it is it is sucking a lot of attention and a

lot probably good development resources,

and horsepower, away from things that are are that are away from things that are already working and working fine. And also in like this is it's a distraction is what I'm saying is a it is a distraction, because the the the retention and all this stuff that all these things we know is that is does a huge problem, and it's not going to get any better. inst this would be a way to sort of meet people where they are. And instead of, hey, let's reinvent podcasting on noster.

Why don't we extend it to Nasir

extend it to Nasir extend it to activity pub so that what you get is not playing a podcast in nostre, which let's all agree is going to be a horrible? Yes, it's gonna suck

is this. So with activity pub, let's just take these two protocols. I mean, there's a couple more I can think of. Can we make it to weigh now, sir? Well, it comes back to the the one thing when I if I send the booths, I'd like my profile picture to show up. So you can pull that in from activity pub, or web finger or whatever it is. Right. Possibly,

I mean, well, you know, because then we're getting them we're starting to see, I guess the reason I'm the hemming and hawing is my, my idea is really about, like, returning focus to to actual podcasting, and podcast apps. You know, our, our core mission is podcast apps, podcast, app developer support, right. We support podcast app developers, I had a guy. Email me, a guy that we know, email me over the weekend is saying look at the Apple API is just having outage after

right? And you can just drop it right in? Yeah, just change the DNS, basically. And you're good to go.

Yeah, you have one outage, you flew temporary, you detect one outage on an API call to Apple, switch those switch to us for let's say a few minutes, then test it and then try to flip that you do a failover and failback. Right. And he was like, OMG.

You got an OMG. Oh,

gee. And you and so he was like, this is exactly what I needed. And like that is that is where that's what we do. That's the kind of developer podcast app developer support we do. Because I'm thinking part of podcast app developer support is, is also running a little bit of interference and playing

Yeah, how about weed so okay. So you're saying just make the API speak noster native app, then you can and in essence, then we have a whole universe of developers who can do podcast apps in Nastar. Is that what I'm hearing you say?

No, no, no, I understand that. You think that that you think that's what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is like, we we give back results in a way that always opens up the content in a real podcast app. Okay, good. And it removes the need. It removes the need to do anything back riding in Nostrum. Right? And they can open it like if they're hardcore Bitcoin bros, they can open it up in breeze or something, roaches fine, but we give, we give back links to real.

Okay, I see what you're saying. And then so the the mechanism is you'd determine, Okay, I have this as my podcast app. And now when I want to get something, an episode, a podcast or whatever the query is, it will then open in the podcast app I already use. Yeah, that's pretty deep. Actually. That's that's something that hasn't existed I don't think well as dependent

is once you once, if we start communicating on that platform in that way, and make it easy for people to do that by by these shareable links, or whatever it is. It it just gets rid of this desire to recreate everything on recreate podcasting on Nasr because there's now there's no need, everybody can use the content, they can use the RSS feeds, all these all these Bitcoin podcasters. They all, they all

I don't know if you if you if you remove that desire, but it would certainly help.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's just it's, I'm, I'm afraid that they're going to try that they're going to try to go down this road because they're see what that post made me think, Oh, they're searching for a killer app, they're searching for the killer feature, and they're gonna come around to it is going to be podcasting. And then this is going to it's going to be five years of development work, and it's still going to suck and instill all the contents not

I think that's, I think it's fantastic. I think it's a great idea. Okay. I'm all in. Yeah, rip it. RIP and definitely.

Okay, I'll I will begin mapping that out what that will look like. And I mean, we've already got it, which by the by the way, that the chat, the MK Ultra chat has been laying languishing, yes. But it's like the same chat room has been running for like, I don't know, three months. I don't even know what's going on today. They could be all kinds of porn and escort services. I have no,

the one I had the link I had is not a live session. So I guess that doesn't work anymore. I don't know what the what the current MK Ultra chat is.

Oh, there's some Chinese in there. That's cool. Really? Yeah, I just I just clicked on the link. Yeah, somebody's posted some Chinese.

Of course. Why does that not surprise me?

Yeah, this is probably I probably need to get back to this. Anyway, that this. So we've already we've already what I'm saying like we've already got some of the code for that. That could adapt the nostril part of MK Ultra stuff to just start off by just creating a bot. And in have that be something that people can interact with. So you can

just query it and it'll hand it back. Yeah, nice. Yeah. That's a cool idea. Okay, thanks.

I'll start mapping it out. So before we start finished, as

I said, before you start mapping it out. Do we have all the remote item stuff on the table? Still? Oh, of course not. Because I'm a little more hot on that than anything,

I will start mapping that stuff out after I finished this, the remote. So where I'm at with road item is there's a new a new parameter that you can pass to the by to the podcast by tag in point index, to give you all of the RSS feeds that include a value time split.

Ooh, nice.

So this is a multi flow, this is sort of a multi phase approach here. Because number one, the number one need is for people to be able to find shows their number one need right now is for people to need to be able to find shows that reference other shows with a value time split. Because that's how people are going to find shows like booster gram ball lightning thrashes. It's a mood. The these, these are the, this

right. So I can I can see, I can find shows that have remote items that contain medium equals music.

That's, that's part two. Okay. All right. Yeah. So right now what it does is it just gives you a list of all the feeds that that have a value time split at all. And then, so then step two, will be being able to begin to filter that to say, Okay, I want value shows with value time splits, that also have this other quality about them. Like, so. Here's the issue. Here's an issue. The value time split can contain two different things. It can contain a direct value recipient tag

Ooh, okay, I see. This is gonna be great for the PWA I'm developing.

Yeah. Just while I'm telling you this. Do you want this information? Yes.

grommet listen up. I'm stealing grommets gonna pop out with a progressive web app. It's gonna be like what?

Yeah, to nowhere. Yeah, it's gonna blow it. Yeah. But, but um, you know, because it's elegant on paper, doesn't mean doesn't mean.

Okay. Yeah. Well, database is voodoo.

It's a quote, to quote Captain Picard. From next generation. You can make all the right decisions and still lose. So what what's your you know? The issue here is it, it becomes very difficult to track these things on subsequent runs, to see if they're the actually the same thing as what you had

doing whole include the the payment value information,

allow it to hold all possible data that could possibly be in the children tags, everything. So that it's gonna it's ugly looking, it's not as elegant as the other approach. But it also gives you because, you know, the thinking with the other approach is that if two different podcasts referenced a remote item that was identical, you don't have to duplicate you have, you just have two pointers to the same data, right? But this is just a this is this is this is

better. Something that actually functions Yes.

is ugly and works better than beautiful and broken. Yeah.

Basically like reading the feed in real time. Okay, here it is. I gotcha. Because of course, we have lots of remote items or lots of feeds pointing to the same remote item. A lot of Ainsley Costello example.

Yeah. And the developer computer person in us like, Man, I don't want to duplicate I don't understand. Really, we can we can do this, right, it

was the way you're the way you're doing it is that's the Adam curry way. One big table in an Access database.

Yeah, that's me. And so anyway, that that, so that's what's next. And once once we do that, it'll be pretty, pretty simple. It'll go pretty quick. next couple of days, I should have that finished. Cool. And then then you can start to then we can start to actually filter you know, do some filtration on the stuff and say, Okay, here's because right now it's just giving you the feeds back what it needs to give you back is the

quick plug for ln beats, the radio tab now has 13 shows. So if homegrown hits it's a mood, mutton meeting and music that's OYSTEIN OYSTEIN burgers very funny. Bookstagram ball Blackhat music was it Blackhat music podcast phantom power before the scheme's lightning thrashed power.

That's a great name for a show

that will phantom you know, that's phantom power music. Our that's the that's the Costello's. That's Julie and Jim.

That's a great That's a great name for right now. Dig it? Yeah,

I had a long chat with them. Surprise.

Anything you can talk about? Yeah, of

course, of course. Okay. So, you know, I've had several calls. I think a lot of people have had calls with Julie then after ever had a call with Julian. So one Do you have a Do you have an afternoon I'm just busting on your duly noted because, you know, I realized that there was this huge disconnect. Next, huge disconnect because they, they

I see you, bro. Yes, yeah,

it's working. It's really working. I see the 10,000 SATs. I see that your TLV record is beautiful.

Let me see. Zan pour glass of wine brother.

Yeah, I'm gonna stop. I see your tests. It's all working. Yes, that we Yes, definitely. You know, Sam is trying to help them. And Sam, the pot fans is something different altogether, which, luckily, Sam wants to give us another demo. Yes, he's also always we walk away from Sam's demos like, what did I just see? Like, there's a lot going on there. You know, because there's

8000 tags. Yes,

he's, you know, he's creating as

we add tags we just mentioned in the show was

never there. Because there's all this stuff that but he's building a real platform for interaction. And it makes a lot of sense for, for artists. And so he's got all kinds of all kinds of things integrated. But the basics, the the real basics of how do we take existing artists who are in the existing system, which is not the system that I grew up with this, so they really gave me an education. And it was only it was only two hours, it wasn't too bad. So they gave me and Jim

Okay, so you're so you're saying that, the it's not just about who gets what percentages? It's about also about the order in which they get them? Yes,

yes. And so they didn't have some basic knowledge of like, well, so not knowing that you that in a TLV record in a payment, you can see what you receive, but also what the total amount was. This is a big deal. They didn't, they didn't know that. And that's really, really cool. Because you don't have to come up with complicated, you know, smart cars that were talking and smart contracts and eath I'm like, okay, stop, you. Stop, stop, stop. Because you can, you know, Yarrow, yes, the

Oh, there's no like, it's, you have no idea why you have no idea why it's not contractual. It's like

this. Yeah, it's just whatever goes on inside their box. So the so, so we, we went through painstakingly, you know, okay, here's, because what they want to do is they want to help artists, and they want them to have a good experience. And they they want the best systems possible. And they want to, you know, I don't know if they want to be, I don't think they want to be they want to be a services. Yeah, help people help

So that is more than ever more than zero is always more. Exactly,

exactly. And then, you know, moving forward, some things probably have to change a little bit, you know, just to morph into a slicker system, but I'm very bullish on on their knowledge now of, of where they're at, and what they can do and bringing people in. And I think we have all the all the pieces in place, and what I what I stress to them, and I said, Look, I don't know how anything else is going to work. I don't know about putting music on your website, I don't know about

Well, this brings up a good, okay, this brings up a good technical point. Michael, from wavelike, emailed me and said, and said, Hey, I'm doing, you know, I'm working through how to calculate splits. And we know, you know, and he's like, you know, we, it could get messy. And we know, we know this. I mean, we've had to explain, split in the fee calculation, hell, so we've had to explain that before. And it makes everybody want to, you know, go jump out a window. But

to hand it back to to you, oh,

with an explanation of what is of what it did and why. So that developers can can sort of test their code against the the reference implementation.

Yes, good idea.

I think it's a great idea.

Yeah. But not necessarily something that pops up. So you don't want apps to rely on it, per se, but just as a or or do you? I don't know, do you want to be I

don't want to you don't want them to send it in real time. Every time they do a split to try to, you know, it's not a service that they would need to rely on to make their split calculations. It would be a service that they would use to validate their data. Yeah, it is. Yes. Splitting correctly.

Great idea. Yeah. Split split split validator.

Yeah, great. Like Nathan here. Nathan said grade your homework. Yes. Yeah, perfect. A scratch paper yes. Great idea. Great idea. Because one, it and it will also help help things be more transparent too. So I can think that I'm thinking of it this was thinking through this morning, I'm like, okay, it could take a few different little, few different sets of inputs, like you could give it a feed and say, Okay, here's a feed. And if I sent if I sent 10,000 SATs to Episode 12

That's a great idea, because it's very inconsistent amongst all the apps.

Yeah, yeah, I agree. And people

ask me, and people ask me, I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. I never understood it. I'm like, I get the concept. I can't do it. It's like, I don't know. That's fine.

I don't know. Yeah, go back to

come in. I don't know. Yeah, that would be good. That'd be good. Because it is documented. It's clearly documented. But still, it's hard. It's just

one of those. But he said, he read. He said, I read the documentation. And it's mostly clear, but um, I can see some edge cases in my mind already. And I just want to know how to handle it.

What's an edge case in his mind?

I don't know. He didn't mention it. Okay. Probably, you know, I would think probably things like that we've run into before, like small amounts. You know, when people are like streaming.

Oh, right. Right. Right. Right. I think most people you should issue like a poison pill on their app blows up. five sets of minutes. Give me a break. What are you?

That's where we need the sucker. The sucker to suck all their sets out like it's a penalty. They do in the penalty box.

I do have a request, though. For for the apps. If you if you have lit implemented. Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please. I know. It's I know, it's not documented yet. And I know that. It's just kind of it's Steven B's split kit web thing. But I feel so bad when people are boosting these huge amounts for a song. But the only two apps that I'm aware of that do value time split in lit mode is curio caster and the split

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Well, that's

because I think that's because of the WebSocket stuff. Because the when doing a live show, I mean, the the amount of SATs is just it supersedes everything. is just the fact that you know, do a lit show your SATs. Just you stack and sets man. Yeah. So I don't I mean, I know it's not official. And I just sometimes I just forget, and let's see, oh, people sending me stuff to fountain this not going to the artist.

I'm thinking yeah, I think through this, if we need we need a I need a

solution for this podcast. Guru apparently is working on it. Okay. Cool.

Well, maybe Steven and Jason can can figure out a, maybe they can document a spec.

Oh, that would be great.

Then we can just, you know, all that and adopt the spec. And then everybody can use it. I think that's what's going to have to happen. You're just going to have to have a way it's just going to have to be a separate socket. Yeah. I don't, I can't think of any other way to do it.

And then plug for for the split kit is finally now now it all comes together. You can now record your podcast. And I think Steven b is even he was I saw him experimenting with a hook for Mr. List, which is the playout system. I use it he hasn't given me anything yet. But I know he's working on it. So now if you're a radio disc jockey and you want to do a value for value music show, you have the split kit, and you hook it up to get Alby. So this is that's all real, it's relatively

I just I just hit the endpoint for that to see how many shows had value time split references in them. And there's 24 now wow, that's pretty big.

Yeah, I don't even know. Let's see. Let's

see. Well, I mean, it's going to show it's going to be picking up stuff like us too. You know, because like podcasting 2.0 Because we play a song. But

that's but that's what that's beautiful. I want curry in the keeper we played we played a song Putting the value time split worked perfectly.

See there's podcasts idiot by Kevin Bay. It's a mood we know that one. Mike Newman. Button meeting music Yep. Let's see who is the yeah Westenberg there's Yeah, Korean keeper there's the I'm just I'm like spot checking this. I'm doing a sanity check. The bowl after bowl. Yeah, this are Spencer. biskra and ball. splits are stupid. I don't know what show this.

I want to hear it.

It's podcast ID podcast index at 86622590.

No idea. Have you heard OYSTEIN show? No. I think he starts off by talking. I'm not sure. It's Martin and Mead and music. Maybe. Now he starts off. I started with peace. He's well, that's strategic. He's fun to listen to. It's fun when he talks.

My wish. And the next one is a guy's done with watch the road.

No, I think he said Scandinavian. Some Scandinavian country I think

okay. He's got a little Dutch

little flow little is great. And he's really he's really really mellow. He's like, okay, and the next one is he goes up tempo song is fantastic.

Let's see homegrown hits. Lightning thrashes. Yep, yep. Yep. Phantom power music our DJ V for V.

Yeah, that's dirty Jersey whore.

Dirty jersey. Oh, yes. Right. Something called help her videos. No, no, no, no. Developer weekly. I think this may be just a regular show. It says a weekly show for developers and technologists that are interested in technology. I think this is just a rent a regular show that they're adding music and don't split Nice. Before this game's office hours. 2.0 That's Chris over at Jupiter broadcasting this issue Blackhat music

are they putting music in? Or is it remote item to a different show?

See, yeah, I think it must be remote onto a different show. Because

that's cool. I mean, this is all gonna make so much sense.

Sets and sounds. That's Kevin Bay. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Cool. So there's a bunch of stuff in here. The fairly fun show. C'est la vie. Silas vocht. Yeah.

James is show got the rolling on show.

Rolling on see podcast. I don't see a rolling on what ideas it. Podcast ideas.

No, I have a GUID for you.

Just Just tell me character by character. Yes. Okay. Ready. It's curly brackets.

In the signal. I think that's the thing. That's the good.

All right. I'll check it out. This is good. If somebody notices something in this endpoint that is missing. Tell me because it'll help me bug hunt.

Yeah, this is this is. I mean, people have to realize that this is a category of podcast that has never existed. It just hasn't exist, you weren't able to do this. Now, and this is what I discuss with Julian Jim as well, we are going to have to come up with some kind of permission slip, call it a license, whatever you want it to be. So that, I mean, I know what's going to happen. Once we get on the radar, which is going to be years down the line, it'll take a while. I just

Okay, explain this to me because this was a giant thread of back and forth between quite a few people on podcast index dot social pm this PBIS podcast index social this past week and is all about Russell from I think he's from Australia runs a hosting platform down there. He was saying you know, this is this is all horrible. You know, everybody's gonna get their pants suit off. Stop now, you know and this so I mean, there is obviously concern here um, um, look, I'm from Alabama I'm a simple guy.

Oh, you're not gonna pull the arm from Alabama but now all of a sudden Oregon Mr. Mr. Database. Okay, simple guy from Alabama. I put everything in one table.

It's because it's because I heard Jean beans. Lovely. North Georgia accent

I heard I'd love his accent is great.

So okay, well,

Russell Russell's coming from I think a different place. I don't know Russell, he kind of showed up recently I think on piste is acronym. And I believe that he specifically does streams for radio stations. I can't I can't I can't be wrong. I don't think he takes radio shows with music and turns them into podcasts I could be wrong from the stream. Now there

grab a pen

give me some coffee too. While you're at it, I'm not kidding. Because that was the worst you're hated doing that job that was the worst part and I gotta do my list. So so the argument can be made that I am not brought forget streaming from home because that is the that is a specific problem. But just doing boosted Grand Ball not live doing it. The derivative creating derivative works from all these different

so when you say okay I'm just trying to understand trying to follow this this chain of reasoning here because the like I see a sir TJ he obviously is the sole writer of of his own let's just say he he's he wrote a song on the banjo recorded it posted it on wave lake or excuse me on his own his blog as a music side project. Like he's he's the sole creator and owner of this work in every shape form and fashion there is no other

That is that is law. That is actual law. The performing rights organizations have statutory legal rights to be the only organizations that can collect money from anybody who performs it used to be sheet music as well. But who performs a song in the in public outside of your personal home that's why restaurants bars even at work if you have you know you're playing music in the in the canteen, the mess, the mess or whatever, all

So you're saying Okay, so you're saying that if I, if I write a song, and that I can, that I cannot, that there's that I cannot go perform that and directly get money for that it has to be brokered by law through a performing rights organization as a go between between the audience and me, even if I wrote the song and there's no other stakeholders

say no, say that again, just so I get That's exactly right.

So, so I write a song. And then I go and perform that song on my podcast for and put a value time split in excuse me put a value block in it so that people are paying me directly to listen to that song on my live show. It's all content that I wrote from scratch. You're saying that that's technically not legal because I by law, and required to go to go engage a third party Performing Rights Organization to broker those transactions for

you? You don't know if you're a member of those performing rights organizations? Yes, technically, a license has to if it's a live performance, not a podcast, if it's a live stream, or any type of performance in front of multiple people. Not a podcast that's why there's never been a license for it because that's not their realm because you're not performing it for multiple people all at one time.

This is very this is this is so startling to me. Yeah, you're telling me as a you know, as a because my my son my son's band is metal band you know they when they played they played live at multiple shows and and got a little bit of money for it and so that was all technically illegal

What do you mean he was doing live streams?

Is he an absolute? No, no, he's playing he's playing his music live at a show is

well now at a show the venue has to pay for that.

But he that was startling to me. Is that there? Is that anybody? Like there's no he's never been part of a label or any I mean, let's just there's just some guys in the garage that wrote some songs. They're not members of anything at all.

Okay. Okay, it's even this if they were in a venue in a coffee shop, and they play a Taylor Swift song. That coffee shop better have a blanket license,

because no no, I'm talking about they play their own songs they wrote

and they're not ASCAP BMI members. No they're not okay then there's no promise and David's then there's no problem. They shouldn't be ASCAP. Most most artists I mean, it's not a big deal to become an ASCAP BMI member because if it is played somewhere, if it does become a hit, you want to you want that that revenue coming in.

Okay, so Okay, so I was misunderstanding you. I thought you were saying that by law, you had to be an asshat BM No,

by law the only outfits that are allowed to to collect are at their their sanction, ASCAP, BMI and by law. Anyone who performs music in a public setting has to pay them by law.

That doesn't mean music of a member of ASCAP BMI.

Yes, yeah, exactly. So so this is why you have groceries is a big business grocery stores other you know, there's just a big business in non ASCAP BMI music now, it sucks a lot of it. But yeah, you can you can buy into music services and you don't have to pay that that money, but it's still gonna get hassled by those guys. They're going to be checking you all the time. Make sure that something licensed didn't slip in that kind of stuff. It's a mess. It's

So you're going to instead like cyst, so you're going to let me handle like the split verification stuff. I'm just gonna let you handle this kind of stuff. Because I'm still this is very confusing to me. I have no business even like having really any input on this. I would just, I want you to just tell us what to do. And we'll and we'll do it just Carry

on, carry on as steady as she goes. The worst thing we can do is have long arguments on a social network about this because that just it's useless. I've been I've been down this this path for 20 years. And, and that's what we did with the podsafe Music Network. If we created our own license outside of ASCAP BMI never got hassled, by the way, never got hassled, specifically for podcasts. And you can do

Agreed. Okay, so what we need so it sounds like we need a license that can be adopted into the podcast license tag and the feed.

Yes. And it's none of none of what is in there is. is applicable. Okay, so

we need something akin to the podsafe. License, something of that, of that ilk. Yeah.

And we'll get there. We don't we don't. I'm not too worried about it right now. But But what we don't need as long drawn out arguments over the how we're all going to die, because it's just not I would like to not have those anymore. Yes. No, I used I left. I'm like, no. Okay.

I've got an ISO for this, by the way. Oh, you do from fro from the left from last week? Because I don't think you played the asset from

which, from last week,

there's only one? Yeah.

Hold on. Let me find it.

Oh, I threw a curveball at you. Because I did not throw you I did not shoot you any clips today. Fantastic.

That one? Yeah. Yeah. Nailed it.

So yeah. All right. Well, I think that that makes me feel better. That seems like a simple a simple thing. Because Because music side project wave Lake, they could put these in their UIs pretty easily, like, do you want to apply this license to your feed?

Yes. And so. And there is one other thing, I'm just going to disagree. And that's, so there's a general idea that and there is so if you record a I looked at all the licensing, if you record someone else's song, the published song, someone else's work, you can indeed, you can publish that song on an online service, and you pay an X amount of money. It's about 50 bucks, I think, for up to 500 downloads. Now, I don't know what kind of reporting everyone has, but I'm,

using op three. Because if you if you go with any of the podcasts industrial complex downloaddownload calculations, you're gonna be you're gonna be way over a

good point. I guess the I guess the point is, I'm just I just want to stay away from it. So no, I don't think it's a good idea. I don't think any of the Yeah. People if people are going to want to see real stats, if you if it comes down to that. So even if you're just putting it up on your on your own V for V, you know, I think that's something I'm not I'm not comfortable with. So now will it will it possibly happen that someone record something that I have never heard of

where do we go and find this? Where do we go and get such a license written?

Or we can write that ourselves? That's not that hard. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's not, hey, you do database. I'll fix the license.

I'll do a big table. You do big one. So

big table big license. Perfect. Yeah, don't and it's not it's not to be worried about really it isn't because these companies performing rights organizations, they've never been able to go after everybody because it's not their wheelhouse. It's not a performance for a big audience. It's a copy that is copied many times. And I'm either you either I'm pirating your music because you didn't allow me to do it. And I'm putting it in a in a in a like a mixtape. Or I have

out. Yeah. For now.

The live stuff, Jeff. Definitely a problem down the road.

Yeah. Okay. All right. Cool. Well, I mean, if we Yeah, if we have a license, we could throw that into. We throw that around the feed? We have a we have a tag for that. Yeah,

exactly. That's, I think that's what's going to be cool.

Oscar and Bumi Oscar from fountain and Bumi from Alby, they brought up on the GitHub aid. A desire to have the to have a different type.

Yes. For the recipient? Yes, yes. Yes, yes.

And I wanted to bring this up on the show because it needs other cause ad developers need to be aware of this. So they currently the only type in the value recipient, the only option for the type parameter is his lightning. And like the lightning type expects the the destination to be can't dress to be Kisa to be a Kison publickey. Exactly. And so they

Simulink. Yeah,

yeah. Yeah, let's call it well, well known or something I don't know. So the way this is basically just a tie a different type that says, instead of the key, the, the value, the destination address of the, of the split, being a lightning PUBKEY. Lightning, no, PUBKEY, it's going to be a was a URL that gets, excuse me, it's gonna be a lightning address. So and then the lightning address will be Z keys and resolution

I thought it was. I thought it was a replacement. I didn't realize they wanted optional. So I was like, my hackles went down. And I was like, oh, it's optional. Okay. And then they say what they want it for?

Yeah, so that's in case, in case all of the case the pub keys change. So if lb went to a different node, infrastructure, and they required a pub key change, they wouldn't have to go and ask everybody that uses an lb. Pub key to update their feed. Got it? Got it. So yeah. Which which makes sense? I think we could, if that happens, we could assist with that

by Yeah, you can do a search and replace in the database.

Yeah, we start handing out Yeah, we yeah, we get we can we can help facilitate changes like that there. But it's a good idea.

But using it does add some overhead to apps that want to follow that a little

bit. Yes. A little bit. Okay. Yeah, but if if any apps see a problem with that Please go to that discussion on GitHub and give some feedback. Otherwise, we'll probably move pretty fast with this and and throw this into the spec. And I will be vocal about it on in the boardroom here to let everybody know that that is happening and you need to make allowance for that. We'll try to keep everybody apprised of it. Because this that's a spec that rarely changes fairly, ever.

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Now you're never gonna follow up. No, no. Not surprising.

I thought that they would spam all the email addresses they had. I thought they would just you know, go reach out to all kinds of podcasters I guess.

They don't even know they have RSS. They don't they don't know what they're doing this this this whole thing is a joke. Well, I had a whole I had like, add like, four paragraphs of notes to talk about YouTube and I'm just I don't even want to do

now the only thing I'll say is that supposedly YouTube has been talking to hosting companies about integrating you know, kind of the way Hey, remember how that went worked with Spotify? Remember how that worked with Facebook? That was Oh yeah. Oh, that's all those do that yeah, that was a lot you're wasting cycles and I think YouTube wants to take your business that's all I'll say. I think they want to take your business

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Yeah, I mean, Spotify they want to take your business they they literally took it and gave everyone free stuff at a cast

yet remember when you remember a couple of weeks ago when we talked about the the inevitable discrepancy that's going to curl calls some ripples within the advertising the advertising podcasts industrial complex about Spotify as streaming metrics versus the RSS download metrics Yeah, this is about to get fun to watch because you're gonna have you're gonna have RSS metrics showing a show with you know 25,000 downloads and and Spotify showing it with me no 700 Yeah,

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I don't think anybody ever said I don't think we said that big tech returns no value to creators. I think what we're saying I echo James James's thing that he said big tech lets you keep a little bit of the value of from the content that you made. That's right.

That's give us all your creativity. And here's nothing maybe a pittance.

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Yeah, I got I got two things on my list that that I want to talk about next show we can look at punt.

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