Episode 148: Flop Out

Oh, my casting going oh for September 29 2023 Episode 148 slop out. Well, I'm kind of kind of joshing a little bit, even though we're recording this on a Thursday night on the 28th it is the official board room that meets outside of office hours. That's right podcasting 2.0 Here to talk about everything happening at podcast index.org all about the namespace and of course all the goings on in podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill

So I mean so literally like one minute ago and Brown of London posted on podcast index dot social, going to court in 15 minutes in Australia to hear the judgement from our hearing in the crypto class action on February 8, Tooth Fairy 22 out of three this year. I don't know what that means. Like in 15 minutes. He's going to be hearing the judgment from this lawsuit this been going on for like my entire life.

Right? You know, he's gonna be a billionaire by Friday by Saturday. Yeah, yes. This is the one this is the one where he gets rich. I know. I'm so excited for him.

Well, he says listen in if you want Microsoft teams meet your mic and cameras before.

Oh, man, I can't believe we scheduled a board meeting on this particular day. Can you believe it?

Yeah, no, we're just gonna we're competing with the judge in a billion dollar lawsuit and

multibillion dollar lawsuit. Some of the feeling there'll be some kind of postponement seems like there's always something going on with that.

If you're a billionaire Brian, expect at least a donation.

Yeah. Israeli billion donation. Yes. $1,948,000.

Yes.

That's a good start and get started. Hey, brother, how you doing?

Good. We haven't had a late night boardroom and longtime longtime

Yeah, it totally my fault. I'm speaking in Houston this weekend and leaving tomorrow. actually leaving at noon so would have been really conflicted. I tried to tried to change it up and that didn't work. And this is The Spark Ignite conference.

In Houston. This okay the year but you're at home now. Oh, yeah. No, I'm home now. Yeah. Okay. Then the spark thing. That's the Christian podcaster conference. Right. It's

the god caster conference.

So that's where all the podcasters did together.

I don't know all of them, but a lot of them. Yeah. Cool. I know Dave Jackson is gonna be there. I'm doing a panel with them.

I think blueberry goes down there.

I know blueberry sponsoring it. It's kind of cool. Because, you know, I've never I've never done a keynote room

after dark.

Hi, Eric peepee. I've never done a keynote for a podcast conference. If you can believe it.

Wait, I thought you did the Go podcasting?

No, no, no, no, go No. Go podcasting was the Podcast Awards where I won. The only award have ever won is the audio production award.

Wait, you've never had like a, you invented podcast. And here's an award award.

I'm in the Hall of Fame. I guess that counts. But what I guess but the first podcast conference was the New Media Expo. And it was it was really, originally it was I think they had done a couple a couple of years of this New Media Expo before podcasting existed. And I guess it was, you know, like mp3 players or something. I don't really remember what it was. But then that that became the podcast conference at the New Media Expo in California. I want to say in

And that's a Orange County's. That's LA and all that. Yeah,

it's a little bit outside LA. And so the organizers, and I had pod show at the time, we had raised some money to start this podcast network. And the organizers said, Hey, man, you want to do a keynote? I said, Well, I mean, yeah, I guess I mean, I guess there was around for this for the for the creation of this thing. So why not? I say great. You need to send us $20,000 For gold sponsorship? No, yeah,

Oh, this is the unconference that you told me Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And,

and of course, after that, I was never invited for a keynote. But also, I refused. Like, why would I? Why would I pay to speak? It makes no sense. So the only other time I spoke at a podcast conference was the horrible one we did in Dallas, where they snuck us in a back room during lunch, gave us no promotion.

That's your that's your podcast Hall of Fame. That's what it gets you the backroom during lunch break. Yeah.

So you know, like, no, and, and these people were so nice, actually came through. Rob Kirkpatrick who is one of the guys over there focused on the family, which is huge focus on the family, and then was have like, 15 million people listening to their podcast, and he's an advisor for this conference. Not big I think it's to 200 people, maybe 300 people. And he said, Hey, man, could I interest you? And so I said, let me check it out. See what's going on? And on like, yeah,

Everybody's podcast, podcast or your podcast

so they're nominated for best new podcast best new way Yeah.

Killing it but they're killing it. Oh fountain I still have not heard a single episode but they are killing it on the fountain charts.

Oh man. They're always in the chart but almost always. No. I mean, if you look at that chart like we're in it podcast and 2.0 occurring the keeper gets in there no agenda gets in there but sodas living up in a down world they're doing good

and I'm really I'm bringing it up right now so hot

I don't found so the whole idea for me is I want to get all of these God casters on value for value I want to get I want them to start thinking about how do we get worship music into that's a Christian from banned worship as Christian

for bands in the in the faith you have to learn all the Christian words that mean other words

what's really weird is that these days are called corporate worship music. And that just sounds so wrong. I mean corporate on this in this case the corporate means you know like something you do together like with the congregation but to me I hear corporate I'm like no that's commercial corporate like corporations

know when when I hear corporate corporate worship music I envision those like Japanese city CD companies that where they all have the they have like five songs that oh, your Sony we

hate Sony. Yeah, so that's not it. And I want it Yeah. This is this is my value for value pitch. I'm the my my keynote is on the future of podcasting. Well, just so happens we've been developing that

this okay, well, this this is this is a good topic. So I don't listen to Christian podcasts. I listened to I listened to a podcast, I guess I do listen to one what you might call Christian podcast is called lords of the Spirit. It is it is a part of an orthodox podcast, but it do create quote unquote Christian podcasts. How do they make money? Are they mostly hanging off of another ministry? Or do they do advertisements?

I don't I don't I really don't know. I don't think there's I have a feeling there's not much advertisements going on. It could be I could be completely wrong. They may do Patreon or donations. I really don't know but I mean the pitch for value for value is So Emmys fits so well in the in you know like value I mean this this literally send value when you want what you want. It's like It's like tithing in a way only it doesn't have to be 10% to someone or whatever value you

You know, we remember we played that clip a while back of but a buddy of mine who interviewed a somebody who's deep in the Christian music industry, and they and he, that guy said, a majority of Christian music is now owned by non Christian entities. No,

that's totally possible. Although the there's a couple of big churches one in Australia and there's another one the I was gonna say ever ever tide ever bright. This is a couple churches who are really they do a lot of the music and they you know, they sell the the stems or you know, I guess the multitrack so that the worship team can can play and if they don't have a piano or keyboard, you can just bring that track up. No, I don't know if it's not owned by by Christian entities. And

I was sure. I wish I could find that clip.

I remember, what would it have been titled? I mean, it would be it would have been

Christian music or something along those lines, it would have had Christian in the title because that, that

Christian music publishing ownership, though, there you go,

do you happen to know? Or have you ever thought about who owns Christian publishing? You're not it's my understanding that at this point, it's almost entirely been gobbled up by big corporate music conglomerates and that it's really not owned or operated by, by the church in any way, shape, form or fashion and that it's just a money making. It's just another stream of revenue for them. But I'll give you a rundown because I just did a quick Google search. And this has been going on since

by the way if this is the state of Christian podcast today we have work to do. I mean, what is this memo recorder?

I did not vouch for the quality, only the content.

The early 90s If not the the 80s that corporations ran this, you would start with things like word publishing. And that would be a dog gobbled up I remember they had a spin 20 something years ago, but the President of word music was not a Christian. I don't know who is now. But so I looked at some artists like Chris Tomlin Hillsong United Hillsong worship Michael W. Smith, David Crowder, that is run by Capitol music

okay, it ends there, I guess elevation elevation as was thinking of and they do tours, elevation worship, they do big tours, they have all the publishing all the songs, and I'm talking like you know, 20,000 people 20 30,000 people at a time. These are this is big stuff, but I think that I think they are from a church but it may all have distribution through big labels, it doesn't really matter. I mean, whatever

Did they play musical nation? No,

no, not yet. No, the only Christian worship music we have is is one dorsals kid. We got well, I love J dog Mad Dog is excellent. I love me some J dog. Now Ben doorbells. Knocking Yeah. Anyway, so I'm looking forward to that. That will be fun. I'm in Italy, I think it'd be an interesting crowd. I know

Oh, I don't I don't know what this. I don't know what you're talking about.

Literally. Some Christian podcasters have been uninvited from podcast conferences. Because you know, you're well if you're Christian, if You know, if you ask Christian questions or something that could trigger some of our other more sensitive participants?

Yes, this is a yeah, this is a thing that's very much going on. It's what's funny is, is how much of this sort of censorship out of podcasting is going on that, that you don't hear about, like, write it. It's not public. And

that's the beauty of censorship. Once you said, Yeah, somebody can't really talk about it.

Yeah. I thought that oh, you know, I mean, you had a conversation this week on signal that there was somebody else that we were like, yep, self censoring. You can just see. And maybe it's Glenn Greenwald. Their time because

oh, well, I'm glad you bring this up. No, this was this was about rumble. And, and actually, it was a continuation I do have a clip. Hola. Hello. I have a clip to share. You know, so the, what the, what we were talking about on the last episode was you know, they're going after platforms and

And you have five minutes to respond. We got deadline by one.

Exactly. So here's a clip from the news movement. And they are a news organization that in the news movement.com I'm not exactly sure who's funding them but they don't have any ads but there's a lot of people on staff. And this is the report that they put out about Russell Brand and rumble

massive brands including Burger King, a source London's Barbican Centre and HelloFresh and pulled advertising from Russell Brand's rumble channel through the company's removed their ads from rumble altogether often the news movement found they were appearing alongside brands videos Burger King has paused advertising on brands channel while broadcasters and police look at claims of rape and sexual assault against him brand has a huge audience on rumble

So you see what they're doing.

They missed they missed the perfect opportunity say that brand is accused of a whopper of an accusation and disappointed.

Yeah. So that's, that's how it works. And that and that and you know, they are clearly I mean, my God, the woman the the MP who sent the note to the rumble CEO,

Dame do whatever day let's draw it.

So that her her husband was in the unit 77 or something which is the psyops warfare unit of the British military. Who also who also did you know, all the all the COVID stuff. So these people are serious. I mean, these are serious people who want Russell Brand gone and then they're going to take down rumble or anybody else if they have to. And so Glenn Greenwald. That's what what our conversation was

Don't invest in rumble. Let's just say that.

No, I mean, I wouldn't give any stock advice but no, no, no, it none of this seems like a really good idea. Um, there's just not a lot of belief in the market. Actually Did you hear the new media show?

I hear I heard most of it. I guess they kind of wondered at the end so have bailed out. But I heard a lot of it. Oh, the wonder out they were talking about the, the advertising. Yeah, yeah. This is when he contacted them about skimming or something.

Well, there's that part that, you know, Todd is all I love, Todd. I can't talk about it. There's stuff going on. And maybe soon I'll let you know. Yeah. But here's, I didn't really put this all together. Because he was talking to it's all about measurement. And I guess someone is out there trying to do a story and figure out if podcast companies are overstating download numbers. That's just my cursory

And their their their I think it's the stuff that backs megaphone, and they're that kind of thing, right.

And now they they announced the partnership, which was on last week's pod news weekly review, of course, we haven't heard this week's pod news weekly review, because we're taping this Thursday evening. So we don't have our show prep. But you know, they had the guy from a cast on, and it was all sold under the guise of all we only do open open systems, you know, open this and has to be open and, and what and what the company that they work with who you know, maybe they'll

last announced this pod scribe has global global preferred attribution partner and

right, but they refuse to work with Spotify. And Todd said something that really made it all come together in my head, he said, you know, Spotify actually has real numbers. They know exactly how many people have listened. They know what they listened to how long they listened to it. So their numbers are going to be much more accurate than downloads, because they track everything in the player. So my simple conclusion is that a cast who, you know, they, they do ad based media.

I think you're exactly right. With this. You could see this coming down Broadway. I mean, because the attribution. So there's a Do you have my clips from last week? I don't know if I clipped the attribution that I have a clip from last week that has anything to do with attribution.

Attribution. Hold on a second.

So there's this podcast called

how sure it was last week, because you had podcast one stuff.

It was there was a thing called for media roundtable. Yes,

yes. Yes, I do. I have a media roundtable. Dai fail.

That's not it. You can play that. But that's not it. That's good

in working with an ad agency or partner on this type of work for your advertising campaigns, go to Oxford road.com. It's easy to spell and get in touch with us or at least just sign up for our free newsletter, the influencer. That's Oxford.

Fail. So this is this. Yeah. This is dynamic ad insertion. So this is from a podcast called Media roundtable put on by Oxford Road, which is a advertising agency. They help people with their podcast advertising, they. So you could say that This podcast, they are also on the podcast one network.

you would be able to do what you'd expect it to be Primo, Primo, Primo, but

they cut off their own dynamic ad halfway through the rate. And then you can be right in the middle of telling people where to go if they're interested in the product. So it was like, you know, go to AWS for other kind of shows this, this is a this but this show, they also had this long. And I list this, I'm sure that people are nice there. But this show is very boring. Listen, listened to a lot of it. And they had this. They had this panel at some conference, I didn't quite pick

they can connect into your credit card.

And they try to connect the traffic coming from your IP address, from a download over back over to where you bought something on, you know, some makeup on a web, you know, Ulta beauties website or something. All of this is just a completely flimsy House of Cards. Nobody. Nobody can attribute correctly. It's all a lie. Every bit of it. None of this surprises me at all. I think you're exactly right. And there's lots not not be outright willing. No, it's I call that a

Yeah, and they vary from podcast hosting company to podcast hosting company, it's, it's a mess. And it's also not, it's not a really great way to do it. It's just never been a great way to do it. It never has. And there's all kinds of reasons for it, which we don't have to delve into it. So they came up with the standard, the IAB and they wanted to get certified. But then I think Spotify really came in and

This is a great thing about the Dutch language is most is many times the words are just slightly altered versions of of English word. It's not flopped out. It's flip out.

It's flipped out Yeah. FL ap you it flop out so it'd be flop flop. flop out. And there's nothing wrong with it, but it just I hear that I'm like, hold on a second. That's an issue. Now more news from the Netherlands. Okay. Parliamo so parliamo is another Swedish company I guess they raised about 150 million euros. And you know, they've been going around Europe and buying up podcasts and podcast networks and putting it all behind the paywall five euros a month.

It's great idea and

a whole bunch of Dutch podcasters. This was a newspaper article, a whole bunch of Dutch podcasters sold into them and whatever, whatever that means. I hope they got paid, I don't know, or got some kind of guarantee. And so they all went behind the paywall. And, lo and behold, there's no way to get more Dutch people to listen to the podcast, because they have no discoverability. So they wound up doing this like a tent on a market square, where they were doing their podcast live

So here, here's an interesting, okay, this brings this makes me think of something. And it kind of it ties in with what you were talking about a while ago. Imagine let's let's let's do a thought experiment and say that the Obamas Africa with that Michelle Obama podcast was called the windows exclusive to Spotify, Michelle Obama

podcast, oh, they should have called us out if they didn't

imagine that her show started out on open RSS on RSS feeds, and not as an exclusive in Spotify? Would it have what would the download numbers have been? Like? Where would it have ranked in the charts? In these Rancors? I'm thinking that it would have ranked pretty high?

I think so. So it would they would have gotten a lot of heat. A lot of people would have been sampling it out for sure. You know, they only had Spotify to rely on they later they remember they did open it up when they couldn't fill the inventory.

Yeah. And so if the based on your theory, if it had been a RSS, podcast, distribution and not on Spotify, then the numbers would have been artificially high in RSS world. And it may not have gotten canceled, necessarily as soon as it did. But because Spotify can see actual numbers for a show like that. Real numbers not not fake download numbers. They, they saw that this show actually was not being listened to. So they cut it. They cut it loose.

Yeah, that's possible. I mean, I think it came down to the timing of it was just all financial, you know, they'd spent so much money nothing was working. There was nothing was coming back. I think the Obamas are arrogant, you know? Much like the the more goals you know, the Harry and Megan I think they you know, just arrogant and you know, but it was what $20 million or whatever.

And that is bad example bad except so let's take Do you remember that other show? That Ah, let's, let's break up the name. I think that's the name. And let me let me see if I can find in the index. I think it's called Let's break up. Maybe not see, it was a show that was that that Spotify bought? And took it exclusive even though that's what that just breakup. I think that's what it was. Yeah, there it is just breakup. So they, yeah. Okay, this is what I thought.

do remember this? Yes.

So they, they did that for like, two months, and then they went exclusive. They are now not exclusive anymore, they have gone back to RSS. And so this again, fits in with what you're saying if they're what these these shows that have seemingly big download numbers. And then they and then they get brought into the Spotify ecosystem where Spotify can see

And I think you're going to see, they probably touted. I'm just guessing, we're just guessing here, they probably touted all these great statistics, including time spent listening. And that's where they lost it. That's where people want out the people and listen to 10 minutes or half an hour or an hour of this two hour show. And you know, yeah, I think it has something to do with that.

That's a good point. Yeah, that's spent listening was probably way low. Yeah. They'll they'll listen to a little bit and then bail out. And they don't actually get any ads because they bill, possibly. So they can't they can't satisfy you

can't get the inventory. Whereas if you have downloads wow, I mean, download, of course they heard it. Of course, of course, of

course, just by its binary, you either have a download. Exactly,

exactly. And so all of this to say that, and I'm really sorry. I mean, I'm not dancing on anybody's grave here. And I tried this, I tried this, I tried it, and it didn't work. And I know all the pitfalls, so I know why it's difficult. And it's just coming apart at the seams, we had a real beautiful moment. 2019 Joe Rogan signs with Spotify, big money,

Yeah, I have some thoughts on this like alright, Google just hates RSS. They always

says yes, yeah, because it's it is the only real competitor to what they do.

You can't google that. My, in my opinion, goop this lawsuit that they're going through now

the anti competition anti competitive lawsuit, the

the end and then brought, you know, Brown of London, they'll finish them off, but

they're going down.

That the anti competitive lawsuit is exposing a lot of a lot of stuff. That's not that digital advertising market is not a healthy market overall. And for them. I mean, it works in traditional media because of the you know, like you've said many times because of limited ad space,

you can create artificial demand because you only have 24 hours in a day

per channel. So what the thing that came out in the lawsuit quickly The during discovery was that Google had been jacking, jacking up the ad the ad rates to meet their quarterly, their quote their meet their quarterly revenue targets. And so if they needed an extra little use of revenue and all the dials, yeah, turn it up another 8% on there, because they they're basically a monopoly in the ad search in the search ad business. And so this, this is all coming out. You

So hilarious every single time I hear that, no, not no, they want people to use their devices. And you know, and they, Apple still has a great rep for it. You know, here's a podcast app, it comes with the iPhone people, okay.

And so they're, they're not a Google is not going to spin. They're not going to lift a finger spend a DOM, on podcasting, on anything that's based on RSS, because all they want to do is just funnel you into YouTube so that they can monetize it and bring it into their, into their world is they they get no benefit from RSS. They don't they this is not the fact that they cancelled, Google podcasts is not a surprise. They don't care and they never have.

And it's still baffling to me that they're putting. I mean, they looked at Spotify and said, Wow, that worked really well. Let's put podcasts into our music app.

Yeah,

I did you not, do not understand that. And you know, and as far as I can tell from their from their blog post, which is, of course, everyone's running around, like, Whoa, is what Google's doing this. Google doesn't talk to anybody doesn't doesn't give interviews doesn't tell anybody actually what's happening? Certainly not in the podcasting community.

I think, you know, it's funny enough, I remember I forget who this was. This has been a couple of years ago, somebody was making a comment about Google. It may have been Paul throt. Whoever this was, we're saying that nobody really knows what's going on over there anymore. And hid. I think it was him who said that, in his opinion. They had been, they made so much money so fast, because they I mean, they were

bad search engine, because it only plugs stuff that is advertised. I mean, it's just true. We know it's true.

It's true, like Alta Vista, champ more and more every day.

Yeah. And that's what Google blew out of the water.

And now it's turning back into that.

So the next issue with YouTube music and podcasting, which is the topic everyone's talking about, it's here to top of pod news. With the the closure of the app. It's like, well, will they have passed through, get Dream on? That I had a dream. You're gonna get no numbers from Google. Yeah, because Google has their own special metric, which is, oh, three seconds was listened to. Yeah, that's a lesson.

Yeah. Well, Spotify is 20 milliseconds, or whatever that is, I

mean, so you know, so it's, it's just a non starter. And, and again, I wonder, Where is the $2 billion I mean to $2 billion that has to be just like maybe is that 50 podcasts that somehow are responsible for this? I mean, I hear I hear numbers like, oh, they have, you know, 500,000 downloads a month. Oh, crap, I got that.

Yeah. Are you? How many billions did you make this year?

Zeros zeros, like in Satoshis Satoshis level milli SATs.

So I think like, if we look at if we just look at podcasts, they're legitimately worth what their deal was. I mean, to me, none of Rogan, Joe Rogan actually is the only one I can think of that probably bring, he probably drives enough revenue to justify the deal he got.

I have no idea. I hear the spots for some reason. Even though I pay for Spotify, I get the Joe Rogan ads. And especially watch the video they stop every like is that every couple of minutes, and the video goes away. And you get no oh, here's Joe, you often for Look, maybe that's all localized by get local Austin companies. And I'm not necessarily getting I'm not hearing BMW know what I mean. But he was very important

And I think he's, I don't think they can get out from under that. I think the next time when he comes up for renewal, I think they re up that show, because if they lose him, it will have an equally down pressure on that stock price. It will take it surely it will take

you know, this is something that I don't discuss with Joe. Right. I'm kind of pissed off. You sent me a text today. Hey, do you want to race cars at the at the racing track on Monday?

Yeah, you do that as always? Yes. Right. Yeah. Unfortunately,

I'm already committed to some stuff. So I can't like the worst thing is like, hey, we can write real racing cars come hang out like, oh, I have a feeling have bases on nothing. But I think I mean, he's got to be up for renewal soon. I have a feeling that He'll do whatever. Well, firstly, he can do whatever he wants. I think he loves the relationship. It doesn't matter how much or how little money may be the only give him the ads. I don't know. I don't think he

And I would I would think, I guess I guess my let me say it this way. Regardless of actual numbers. I think he's worth more to them now than he was when they first signed him.

They never talk about him. That's the thing. He's never in a press release. They never talk about him. He's never in any campaigns for investors or otherwise. That's the part that makes me that makes me question what you're saying is like, if hit

if the headlines hit that Joe Rogan least Spotify? Yeah, I'm with you on that that would be a dog gets massacred?

Well, especially if you have I mean, if Google Google music, if they said, Hey, Joe, come over here. I don't know. I don't know. I have no idea. It doesn't really matter. Because that's he's an anomaly. That's something that's, you know, he's a some crazy force of nature. I don't think we'll ever see anything like that again. But it's also not what the what podcasting is podcasting is what we're doing. Podcasting is what is you know, it's it's gonna be your your little group here. We

Staff, nobody wants to worry about staff. So that's not fun. And that

and that, to me is is what podcasting is so beautiful at. Yeah, so I don't need to make a pitch for value for value, but you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, I

totally do. And that's a great and that's a perfect thing for the spark, you know, for executive podcasters because most of them I would imagine 99% of Christian podcasters are not doing it for for the for a business they're doing it out of a ad because they enjoy it. And because it's something they want to do for some reason in their life. They want to

do it for God, I guess but we got a who sent this dovie das who's listening to our says blue.com Everybody 15,000 SATs, he says talk to a church that does I guess he he has a client, maybe talk to her church does a prayer podcast, even V for V is difficult, because you need to ask for value, which may ruin the experience similar to RSS music, we need to we need ways to ask for value outside of the episodes themselves. So there's a couple things there. So I just want to say one I

That is speaking speaking of. Can we divert? Yeah, sure into the into top 100 talk for a second.

Are you kidding me? Top 100 Talk is my middle name.

The top 100 has way more than 100.

Yes. And I realized why? Because you have so many ties.

Is that correct? Well, well, it's only pull it up.

We have almost 200 nodes the top coming in at number 187 of the top 100 this week. I don't know if it's I think it's hilarious. Sometimes I saw 97 Or like at the top 197 entries this week.

So Ron Ron Plouffe third cousin, married to Dave Employee of the Obamas conveyed to me that he said this is going to become a problem, this top 100 is going to become more and more is going to go way, way beyond top 100. If the in if your entry floor into the top 100 is only one boost. So everybody, if you even get a single boost, you're in the top one, you know you're in this chart. And because I did not give it a hard upper limit of

100, but can't you just say 100 and 101? is you're not on the chart?

I could we could 100 We could say

unfortunately then numbers, lots of music. And I was gonna say number 90 through number 101 117. Just 27 songs all have the same amount for four boosts. Right, that's where you run into trouble, I guess because it's it's basically it's a tie.

Yeah, yeah. And so he Okay, he said, the median number of the median number of booths is still five. As it's been all week. Also, just as another reference point, the sum of the booths for titles, one 101 through 195 only represent 12% of the sum of all the boosts in one through 195. This math is hurting my brain. What does that mean? It's nine o'clock at night.

What is the what is this mean? What is this this wicked math mean?

So he's saying that basically there's a by the time you get to one a 101 the whole entire rest of the chart is only 12% of the total of booth booths counts. So the total number of booths for the entire chart is 2072 but 101 through 195 Only, it only covers 12% of that, which doesn't bother Is this the thing is like I don't necessary if I scroll down here to one, let's just say 154 Maybe that's a great song.

Well, this is my point. I've never seen this as a gold star. To me, this is a discovery mechanism. Again, I get when I start when I get on Mondays when I get ready to do booster Graham ball. I go into number of places and one of them is definitely this top 1000 And I'm like oh I don't know this song. It got some boosts click I want to see what this is. Oh, I know this. Okay, this only has four boosts because as you know there hasn't been played any more for a while so I understand

is because somebody went in there boosted the album as they were listening to the piano. I

understand. I understand. Yeah. So did were there any

freaks me out a bit? The chicken the mass? That's a little

George T drag, huh? So what do we want to do about it? Anything? Nothing.

We don't do anything about anything really? Do we actually do things about?

We don't do anything? We try not to? Let's not do any work. But did Plouffe have any suggestions?

He said focus hard on the South Carolina primary. Okay, sure. No, he didn't know he's he did not. He did not have any suggestions. I think. I don't know. I think it's cool for now. I mean, I like having lots of stuff on this list. It feels better to me, to to have when there's lots of things on here. To me that's more important than how many boosts anything gets. Yeah. Because it just shows the quantity of stuff and all of this stuff has good album art. Like, I don't know,

I'm with you on that. Now I'm comparing to the wavelength top 40

And um, how many how many does their tough 40 have on it?

That's funny enough 40

Because they some other people know what they're doing. Don't know what we're doing well, no,

they only they only can do a chart of music that's on wavelike and we have we got all the crazy people. Everything that's out there is audio and video. Stephen B's app Emporium. I mean he does all this a lot of a lot of self hosted music. People are helping each other out. So here I see Skrill a bobcat? Which I learned is actually Bobby shell.

How about that? Oh, as a pin net. He's got a pseudonym.

No, no, that may just just different. Hey, I think that's interesting, actually is that one guy is multiple artists. So look at the top three. Number one. Blind to you. scrilla bobcat. Number two paperboy featuring scrilla Bobcat number three Bobby shell with a song. I haven't even heard beef steak and trade wives. Trad wives. So now and let me see how many stats does this have? 180,000 for the new

and tread tread one. Yeah. It's in the index.

Prom shirts in the index.

I see it. Yeah, just pulling it out. Now if we

look at scrilla

scrilla in Manila.

scrilla has. Okay, the top scrilla lying to you is currently number 28. So 919 boosts? Okay, that seems possible. So I think what we're seeing here is exactly the problem we wanted to avoid is that you can come in with a big baller boost and put someone on the top chart, which could stay there for weeks, because you send 500,000 sets. Whereas the number of actual participating people, I find much more exciting. So if I look at Nate, John 769 booths that's that's a

The curio cabinet of apps is

you know, you throw that thing on. On random and an Off it goes and it plays the whole top top 100 200 songs.

So so we just renamed we just it's a top 100 Maybe we should rename it to top 100 And something

something top 100 events.

Man more. Yeah. Well. Yeah. So one thing about the one other thing about the chart and then we can move on, is you know, it really feels odd to have this chart with all this that looks so nice and is telling you about all this music and not be able to listen to the music.

Yes, this is this is a very big problem. I agree because but I don't necessarily be an app. Exactly. I don't want us to be a destination. I love I love Steven but that's why you made OPML and JSON and and whatever versions.

So here I've got an idea. What if we made it where you can just do like a sample? A little, a little play button where you can hear like 10 seconds. Is that still not a good idea?

I don't I can't even tell you why. I mean this to me is just, this is just a place where you can see it. I want people to go to lm beats.com I want people to see the top 100 And by the way, maybe LM beats chops it off at 100 Why doesn't fountain show the top I mean I know why but I would love to see it and fountain I'd love to see it in pod verse. I'd love to see it all over the place. I want it to be exported. I don't think

that I want. You know what I mean? Yeah, I don't want it Okay,

I don't and I don't want to compete with the with the Steven B Emporium.

I don't want to compete with the ABS either. And that has been like that has been competing with ABS has been the has been anathema to everything that we believe in since day one. We will never compete with ABS on on this play on this ground. So, but here's the issue. Right now, the link, if you click on a song takes you to the podcast into and then you can listen there. And you can listen and boost. That's not That's not good. We want to push people to apps. And how do so

I don't know how many people I mean, we set this that well, let's just stay with the app part. Okay. I think if anything, we did this for ourselves. I just want you to like, hey, what about this pocket? Okay, yeah, here it is, I'm gonna listen a little bit, okay, good. Just just to confine it, find the RSS feed, you know, find out information about the split. I do not listen to podcasts on podcasts. index.org, I may just check something out. But you know, the play button is

headless Drupal, we're gonna run it on a headless Drupal, the so I agree. And the only thing that, to me the I think 90% of what people do with our website when it comes to boosts is, hey, if you don't have a podcast and 2.0 app, go boosters through the podcast index. Yeah, like it's a fallback.

Yeah, yeah. But it's, we've never promoted it, per se.

No, no, no. But so. So how do we, I just some, I just don't like that it goes to our website. And I don't know how to make that not happen. But what what goes to our website, the when you click on a on a click or tap on a song, on a song in the chart, I just feel like that should go to an app. And I don't know how well I don't know how to do that in a in a real way.

Instead of instead of worrying about that. I would just prefer to focus LM beads great out of the gate. I tell people all the time on booster grand ball go to M and beach.com you can see everything there. I try not to and I know I'm contradicting myself because I use the URL podcast index dot top. I don't even know if anyone's going there or not. I would much more I would prefer to not do anything and just help. We're not a destination. We're just not we're not a

of that. We build things that help other people build things that people use.

Now there's a bumper sticker podcast index, we build things that help other people do things. They what what was

that this bumper stickers are too big strapping around, this

is a T shirt, podcast index, we build things that other people use to build things that are cool that we like,

okay, something like yes, yes, something like that. It's a

so for me, it was just it was an interesting experiment to set this up. And we're not done yet. Because there's still development, it gives us a place to look and to feel okay, now we've identified some things like this top 100. Okay, it's the top 200. Now, we're not quite sure what to do with it.

Now we're not stopping at 200 we're blowing the lid off. He could keep on going.

I mean, the easy thing to do is tighten up seven days to five days, see what happens stuff will fall off quicker. But again, for me this this is development. This is not a product, the product, you know, the product needs to be built by the apps. And so we're just offering this and you know, and please do with it what you can I mean, hosting companies should be ingest In this hey, here's a whole bunch of songs

Oh, Steven bass says sin the top 100 to the link in the feed. That's opposite Yeah, that's an option to the one to the link in the feed. You know how you can you can you can use the link element and the RSS to link to your own, you know, to the homepage of the episode so to speak.

Again, I don't think we should spend another minute on on the on the web page other than just what it is now. So we can just look at as developed as a development. Like a console.

Here, maybe this? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, all this all these ideas, build it in your apps people. Built How about this build an app

where we still don't have a name. We have PW A's. We have we have Ellen Bates and pod fans.

Yeah, well, I have Ellen beats I have Ellen beats as a PWA on my Windows desktop. It's beautiful.

Though I did do that put it I have it on my bun icon right there on

the desktop. Me and I go into CNC Oh, but here's I use all kinds of new new radio shows. I got the Black Cat music. I see I've been relegated to the bottom. Thanks, Steven B booster grand ball all the way to the bottom. Want. Wow. Let's see the top 100 100 the top 100 Is is all is indeed it's also 192 Ellen beats.com. But that's yeah, that's it. That's a sexy kind of thing. I mean, that's, that's where I think it needs to

Okay, I have an idea of how to fix this. And I know exactly what to do to fix this or should fix our count and to fix our count problem. I just figured it out. Okay. I'm just gonna do it. And then we'll talk about it. Okay, good surprise. Yeah, like,

like Christmas and, and a wave like, they've now become a destination. I think that's a shame. You know, we're the only this indication out is, is really at this point to us. And then people get it from us. And I think I have high hopes for pod fans. You know, to start creating communities around the artist,

basically building an app though.

The app they have?

Yeah, like they're they're an app. Yeah. I mean, they're an app. And a host to him is sort of like dystopia. dystopia is that way too. They're an app and a host?

Well, that there's I mean, if if you're gonna be an app, then you're missing a lot of features.

Yeah, I think they're, I think they're just turning the corner because you know, they had to pivot. That's, that's the wrong way to say it's not pivot. That's not what I mean. But like, they started, they started with one idea. And then our, you know, ours, they they moved into RSS, I think they're still trying to catch up with things and, and I think I see their strategy. And, you know, I'm hopeful for what they're doing. I think I think it makes I think it makes some

biometrics. We've known with you. That's why I'm like, don't let's not do spend another second on that page. Yeah, no, it is what it is. And I just want to encourage app developers to ingest the data, do something creative with it, give us ideas, what endpoints Do you want? What do you need? Now, sift and shift and do whatever, to have this make sift and shift and gets a show title? To have, you know, to make it make sense

is the No. Yes. It's that thing where the thing that other people use to do the thing? Yeah, free. Yes, free. I think so. On another see. The other issue here is a DJ shows. I don't know what to call these things. I call it like Mr. Graham ball. What do you call it?

I call it a value for value music podcast.

Okay. So value value music podcasts. They need their own chart. Right? Because you want to discover those two.

Okay, well, you know, this, this is okay. This is what I've been crying for. And I think it's probably already all there. Maybe it's not, but I would Okay, so how about Elon beats? I'm just going to use LNBs because this This is Steven B is making apps. He makes a million apps a second. While he's wiring up apartment buildings. I don't understand it. Yet. He has a family. I think that they haven't divorced him yet.

It's a fake family.

It's not really it's like he's in he's in the HOV lane with blowup dolls. It's not really that doesn't really so I would Ellen beats here's what I would love to see an LNB I click I play a song and they're only open let me just open up Ellen beats and read now. Okay, the PWA which works great. Okay, so now I go to Kurdish drums and there's call me medley Okay, wow

is there where do you where it where is Okay, so where is there okay,

so it was so Kurt however we figure out booster Graham ball played Call me medley on these episodes or maybe just says as played on boosted grandpa I click on that and it says played in these episodes. It click on that. And it says other songs played in this episode, which is all available from the feed from the remote items. Now Now you've got discovery,

you're talking about in Elon, this would be in the Elon base or such or or pod

verse or found in or wherever. And then and then and now. You're not only discovering music, you're discovering other podcasts.

That how does he get that information from the feed? Oh,

remote items. Remote item magic wallets switching technology.

Yes. So he's getting so he's going to be scanning. Okay, because I was thinking that this was stuff that we would have to provide. In your in your you're saying this is already in the feed so he can they the apps can just look at these feeds. I would hope they can make the Ha ha ha.

Okay, explain how we do it now because I just made that up and you're like, Aha, so I figured this is usually how it goes, Hey, David got this great idea. Like, well, I can make that work. I'll build I'd be back tomorrow. But now we have to let other people do that.

You left out a step. I usually like no, you can't do that. Yeah, well, we can do that.

I actually had a dream the other night, because you said to me on the last show, when we're done with all this when it come back to s OPML. And I had a dream about it, man. It was That was weird. It was weird. And we will come back. I know we're gonna we're gonna be like, I'd be like with my walker. Hey, hey, so PML do still have freedom controller things to

work. It'll still be running 10 years from now. It will.

Alright, so explain how we do that. So you understand what I'm saying? Yes,

I understand what you're saying. And so all so the dead the data for the time. Basically, they absolutely do what we do to build the chart. It would just be return, you know, rube back back out of the data. And so we, because it's a big time, well,

let me ask you this in the can we make an endpoint available that if an app says, Nate, Jonathan, time 169 boosts? Can you now figure out from that? What shows boosted it? Can we do we provide that data? Is that something we can easily provide? Should we be providing it?

All? I don't know the answer to any of that. I know the answer to some of those questions. Not all that should we provide it had no idea. I mean, do can can we provide a yes. But with a lot of work book. So here's the issue. So there's, back in the background of of podcasting index in the back office, you have the API, which consists of the database and the front end server web servers that that

an important production item.

Yes, exactly. And so now what happened was, what happened was, this thing grew, and now it hosts it's generating the chart because it's got all the l&d data,

right, right. This is clearly not a great way to do what we're talking about through TLVs.

So if we were to make the we can't easily make this available in APR, because it's not even the date. It's not even in the main database, it's in a whole other different database. No, I understand this back to the main database in order to be able to even serve it, you know, okay,

so Stephen B, posted something in the chat. And by the way, after the show, Alex gates will figure it all out and tell us what to do. But now he's yelling

at us.

He's going live is going live, so you can pitch in her head about it. So Steven B says, Can the API return feeds that have a specific route remote item in it? And I'm sure the answer right now is no. But is that is that something because I know that in order to help apps like cast ematic, we discussed storing the remote item data? Is that something that will be possible? Or is that like a huge lookup that that we're not qualified to do or big enough to do?

No. But yes.

Okay. And that concludes our broadcast.

Now, not at the moment, but in but definitely is definitely in on the roadmap because we remote item. I was just about to put remote item support into the API. And then and then we halted into the chart. So

well, this is good because this is this is how we come this is our iteration. Okay. But can I just step back for one second, get our heads out of the technology, and explain why I think this is important. Because I'm sure that I'm sure there are people yelling at like, how come we're not talking about the pinning episodes tag?

Yeah, I know what we're not talking about that. But yes.

This is the opportunity we have here as a group. To create an entire we've already started, we've created a new category of podcast, which for almost 20 years has not existed. We are igniting, artists are on fire. They're igniting and they're very, very, very excited. I know this, because this is this is what I do. I feel what's happening. I feel what people are sending me. The excitement is there. People are curious what's happening, the stuff going on. There's,

In Okay, let me drive it back. And let me let me drive it back into tech for a sec, please. We read? I don't think we have the time for this on on this. In this board meeting, but I think

we need an office. We need an off site

with pastries

and a barbecue. Yes. And barbecue. Yes.

And we'll bring in a motivational speaker. The next in the next board meeting 100%. Andriy we need to discuss categories. Yes. Because that is that that go that maps that map you're right. I'm with you. I'm with you. But But it's even. It's more than that though. Because I'm still banging my head against the wall of this of this issue. And if people may think it may sound myopic to be focusing this, like we're focusing a lot on music. Oh, now like right in it a lot recently

it's an easy way to start figuring out the the plumbing, so that it maps to books, movies, yes. Documentaries, porn. Oops, that I say that.

In blogs, blogs, yeah. That's what you meant to say. The

end. Yeah, what comes into play? So PML? Before you know it,

and we're right back to you know, so this is a, this is a length, this is a language and syntax for a new for a new defined content. And if right now, it's within the framework of music. But this is just, this is a mad laboratory, right? For all the things that come next. And, you know, so that's a long way around to say, what is bothering me is the fact that we can't define booster Graham ball in a way that I can find it in

Okay, can I give it it? Kind of give it a try? Sure. You can find booster Graham ball by saying podcast that has remote items. That equal medium medium equals music.

Which will also bring back this show. Yes. But this is not a this is not a this show and booster Graham ball are just fundamentally different types of shows. And I don't like that I'm sorry, con January homegrown hits. That's an it's no. So

hey, man, talk about my show.

Give me props. The so. And we've we've mentioned possibly another music medium, but I don't want to clog those words up another medium Excuse me, but I don't know if that's appropriate. It may be the combination, what what may solve this problem is the combination of of a medium, and a category

so for instance, if I can just invite in a medium he calls music interview show.

Uh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Or, or medium equals right and medium equals radio, music. A category. So it's a radio show. It's a music radio show.

Yeah, I don't like that. But it doesn't matter. I understand what you're saying.

You get the gist. Yeah, yeah, of course. Of course. I mean that. So I think I think I think we got to have the category discussion this this, this may be the next, the next bacon.

Is this a GitHub issue that we open to take submissions? Or is this something that, that we just go all Idi Amin and just create it tell your buddy to shut up?

No, do not do the Israeli Israeli method of

Mossad medium?

Yes, no, this is not the right way to do this. So there there are category discussions that have been long, long buried in the GitHub that needs to be resurrected, so that we can start afresh. Okay, that I think I think that's where we have to travel next.

Well, then, let's travel there, let's let's not even do anything else. Because it seems like we need that. Before we can get to this this discovery journey that I'm talking about. Is that correct?

It's already be Yeah, I think so. Because it's already becoming an issue because see, because I guess ESP is like, I don't listen to that crap. I just listened to challenge for trans trans. And so I can't listen to value for a minute. There's probably some had some trans out there, but he can't find it because we don't have categories that allow for that.

Right. Well, that's very specific. I mean, a

lot of people are like, I don't listen to anything. But

no, I know. I know. I'm just saying that now you're going into, because I may play a trend song. You may. And I would like CSB to be able to find the episode where I play a transformer. How's that sound? Yeah. Yeah, my head hurt.

Yes, this is it's 943 at night, we know who was too intense. Let's

thank some people. So we thank some people, because we've done a lot. We've done a lot today. And we look in this special board meeting and we are the only board meeting that operates out of office hours. I want everyone to be be aware of that. And we appreciate everyone showing up nice showing we have a quorum. I've been to many board meetings. It's clear. Here

I just got it I just got that drop in the podcast app.

Oh, you did oh cued up. Oh, I'm

gonna have to listen to behind I haven't even listened to lightning so it's just three yet. So you've already got four

row of ducks from the mere mortals podcast with duck emojis no less, which is nice. I'll make a pitch for V for V come check out the value for value show. Another add another 2222 for mere mortals podcast live boosting for early episodes. Let's make this a thing. Think of the hashtag think of the Australians oh it's probably because it's a different he's like Hey, I could find it listen to it live I got a time shifting this Right. Eric p p 33,333. Thank you brother. I

seven is only 745 in California.

And that's what we got. We got another Dred Scott 1234 who might have been testing thank you all for those Bucha we should we go through our booster grams while we're at it so we can. Yeah, you have the this. I'll just remind everybody this is a value for value podcast. This is where in our church here, we asked you to support us. We do we're not bashful at all.

Tom tell and treasured just exactly lucky to hear from the pulpit.

Exactly. That's right, exactly

what I want to say that I have not had time to look to dig into So Sam Sethi has been boosting us from pod fans,

and we still are still not showing up in my helipad. So it's

not showing us I have to figure out what is going on. So I gotta dig those up. They may come through in the boosts,

maybe they come through the streams,

they may come, they may come through in the boost, I'm going to read in a minute, but if they don't, I just want to add not forgotten, Sam, I will, I'm going to find that I'm going to tell

you what it is, though. I'm gonna tell you what it is what he's doing what he's doing. He's either putting booster grommets that have boost, or he's putting boost with a capital B, somehow I have a feeling that that's why it's not showing up in helipad. Is that even possible? What I'm saying here?

It's, it's very possible. So I know why it's not working in hell Upad is because we haven't made the adjustment to it. This is a good time to say thank you very much to Harry EPS. Indeed, he has done the Lord's work but on Eric on Hello pad. But by no heat. So he he's been adding features to it. While I've been tied up with lots of other things, and he's

Well, right off the bat. 20 on I am Paula, thank you. Thank you. Thank you

came in after hours on a special courier for the just in time for the show. Let's see. Thank you guys, Kevin and Tom. Appreciate that very much. Boosts. Mr. Graham's we got three C 333. Sets from Gene Everett says live boost tests. We got you. We got your gene. Yep, sure do. Let's see. Okay,

work and heli inhaler pad Yeah.

Sir truck driver gave us 3333 through founding says first time list. Also new to boosting. Enjoy. And thank you for your courage in the morning.

Go podcast. Just I just did. By accident. I hit that button. It works. It works.

See, that's me go through here yet. Here's some more pod fans. So I am having to sort of vet these in real time. Because in order to figure out the pod fans thing, I turned a basically it's not doing any filtering. It's just giving me the whole shebang. So there's a lot I got you through that normally wouldn't be coming through so I got to run through this in real time. Let's see. Do

I sing a little song playing

booster Graham's. See? Oh, love that Mandelbrot track. Thank you for your courage. That's from future. Future, sir. Tosh. Oh, you found thank you for you. Sir Tashi sent us 167 SATs out of 3333 They went to Mandalay went to Bandolero gene bein 111 out of tu tu tu tu through cast ematic and that went to ies Yeah, that's

awesome. Oh man. No, bro.

This is a really it's really cool. I seeing all the TLVs come together because you can see what portion went to us. It's like it'll say this of this, you know, like 111 out of two to two nice.

Yeah, I mean, I'm in the new help and the new Hello Pat. I'm seeing some of that but also I mean so what I'm seeing now for instance, from a fountain I'm seeing booster Graham ball episode nine and then in For ends when it's over. So that was the track and that can click on the on the timestamp and then I get the whole TLV record opens right up, which is kind of cool.

That is, yeah that. See? 2022 chyron for mere mortals podcast, they found he says, I pay a fixed cost for blueberry. And they also take a 3% split. I'm totally fine with that. As for Mordovia Das,

yeah. You'd be you'd be amazed. You'd be amazed when you think people won't pay for something. If it's valuable and you kind of leave that open. They do.

Limit creations as our buddy Andy layman, sent us 1000 SATs to cast magic he says, I asked blueberry about see names for podcasts mirror and they don't do it. But that would be awesome. Oh, they made pictures on the roadmap, then.

Yeah, I'm thinking they should I mean, that's kind of Todd think a drone.com.

Yes, right. Lehmann, Andy comes in again with another 1000 SAS he says someone should create a V for V music play out system that hooks into all the music sites and automatically creates a debate automatically creates value time splits and has the ramp time so you can hit the post that would be awesome. Yeah, what is ramped time I don't assume.

So that's that's a term so in in my am errorless, which is my playout system. I can you know I can I can literally set a little a little yellow line that's where the the vocal start. And so the minute I hit play it the two counters start to run one is the total time left and one is the number

so that's something you mark you mark that time Yeah, yeah, before you start the intro for the next Yeah,

that's that's a little bit down the road.

Let's see as far as gates Oh, hey Sir Alex 111 was actually Richard three pot verse he says he's thrown some nostril Hey, so noster is literally just a shitty and unreliable PubSub system. There is no fixing it without adding centralization. This is coming from a system architect who does this for a living my disdain for it comes from this. It will not scale for its intended purpose. Please lower your expectations for future use. At public service announcement, lower your expectations

lower

Thank you Alex as source de 1701 Star Trek booster pod verse he says Adam No. Fee for V is value for value. Don't bring only fans into it.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What was I think I know that wasn't that was not smart.

John's BRT. 1667 SATs at a 33 333 That's for a song that I don't that I cannot tell because all I have is good. But I'm sure it was excellent. Tread word 3333 through pod version no note. See that we get some more. There's some more pod fans. Oh, some some quack. Send us through 111 through fountain he says thanks. Well, thanks. Thanks. Do you never it 2222 He says boost boost sir Shauna the Allegheny Valley 1128 SATs the

Go crazy Wow, he's

killing it thanks for sharing I don't know how much that added up to crazy Nice. Oh Lord F 35 Jump around remix starting at that gas screen nice got a link is a YouTube link I don't know if I can play that. You can't you can't hear my stuff. So it doesn't we got to

fix that. Yeah, we got to fix it. You need to be able to play clips man.

I'm gonna try I'm gonna try moving it over to rearrange it over to the Mac. When I get a chance. Is we get 1033 alkalis do foul taste is also conversation. David gets your frustration over the BTC bros out there their group they grew tiring and also include that a bunch of debt include that bunch of BTC Maxis as well. Presuming all other coins out there or shit coin is toxic, doing the entire blockchain

in the morning to you

500 SATs through from amorphous continuum wow that's a name do finally says that sir is amazingly effing useful. Thank you. Oh, you're welcome. See was jumped through here. This is funny. I see so much. I see so much pod fans in here.

Oh yeah, it was you see all the streams as well? Is that what you're saying?

Yeah, because when I turned out when I turned off the filter to show everything it's just like

you get a lot a lot coming in when because it's all the minute by minute stuff.

And you see but it's all different users it's not just SAM No It's everybody. Yes a

lot of stuff.

You see the you really get a appreciation for the for the usage going on over there. It's great. Okay 333 from anonymous great song and we got did you do Mike Newman boosting the podcasting 2.0 squad from somewhere sometime in the future like this ship, go podcasting

Podcast. I'm sorry what happened? Oh,

that was a striper boost. 77 777

I'm completely messed up. I see. I should at least do the striper boost. Yeah, here we go I got it. I got it. I got it.

doubled up. Took me a minute. And we gotta come straight blogger it's 30 3015 to delimiter through fountain he says how do you David Adam, please invite your listeners to visit my blog at www dot CSB dot lol for my cartoons about everything. And to give me ideas for cartoons to draw via Twitter slash x et et CSB. Just three letters C S and B yo, yo yo, yo I'm going that was going for more of a like Twilight Zone. type of presentation there.

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Thank you all so much value for value is the name of the game. It's what we play. It's how we keep everything running for this podcast for the boardroom. But of course for all the servers. You keep everything running, keeping it available for all in the podcasting 2.0 Community podcast. index.org at the bottom two red buttons up you know what, I should probably check the tally coin. You know, that's probably where dribs God's been hanging out. One of them is for your pay, pal.

I'm gonna go I'm gonna go digging. Yes. Okay. Find the answer. It's 10 o'clock. I think we I think we nailed

it. Thank you chat room. We really, really know tallyho from each night says Dr. John. Okay. Dr. It's okay. It's fine. Go to sleep. Thank you all very much for for being here for this special board meeting. We will not be releasing it. So until tomorrow. So if you are here, then you got you got an early no one else gets it. And we'll release it tomorrow. I'll release it before I leave. So it will be tomorrow morning. And Have yourselves a great weekend. Dave. Brother. Thank you so

Yeah, man. Absolutely. I have a safe trip to Houston. Hope it I hope you have a good time. I expect to expect a full report.

Full Report. Yes. Right. We'll have it in the in the meeting minutes. Yes, indeed. Hi, everybody. Thank you very much for being here for the board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 We'll be back next Friday. And we'll do it all over again.

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