Episode 146: Ad-a-Lytics

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oh, wait, don't tell me we're going to do another 15 minutes of road caster?

No, no, that is not happening. Oh, I know what I did accidentally hit that started put something on top of my keyboard and I accidentally hit the print screen and it took a photo of the screen like with this camera shutter noise

it's it's it's amazing that that actually works on on Linux. You're running Linux, I'm sure right? Ubuntu. Yeah, yeah, even on Linux Mint. i The other day I hit the by accident hit the print screen on my Surface go version two. And it took a screenshot it just brought up the actual screen screenshot application and shot it I was quite surprised

when it goes like in the good like whites the screen. I mean, it's the as the whole thing. It's like you just took a picture. I can hear

whatever you're drinking is fizzing in my ear. What are you drinking? Like this? Yes. What is it? That's not a beef milkshake. Come on now.

It's not it's a polar Selter Oh, calorie free.

calorie free. Okay. All right. I'm sure it's real healthy. We're trying to keep you alive. We're trying to keep you alive. Dave. Stop drinking that crap.

already. It's just It's just water is water with carbon in it. So I'm like destroying the planet.

Oh, man,

I'm literally eating. I'm taking in carbon and producing it at the same you are one ball of carbon. That's the whole idea. Eating

a beef milkshake. Nice. Nice, horrible nice. Is Dave the other day said hey, man, how you doing with beef milkshakes? Yeah. Yeah, got it. Is it good to remind myself to have a salad? From time to time?

That's what you That's what I said. You said Harry as the beef go. And I was like, Yeah, that's exactly what you sound

like. Yeah. My whole life is surrounded by by carnivores. Now everyone here is on the carnivore diet. So Tina is on the carnivore diet. Our friends are on the carnivore diet. My buddies in Dallas strongly. It was like, you know, take the Greens group texting, texting pictures of their meat.

Don't say that. Text Hey, text me your meat.

I'm telling you. They send me all these pictures of meat and like and there's not you know, we go out to dinner and then everyone's like, well, what sides? Would you want? Adam? You're gonna have all of ours. Like, okay, and asparagus. And like the first the first 10 minutes of every dinner is about meat.

Well, Alex is mostly I think he's mostly protein too. I mean, I think this verse it's, it's healthy. What do you what do you eat besides meat? Potatoes. You're clearly not a carnivore.

I eat the beef with everybody. I mean, I love I love beef, but then I'll I like a potato. Sometimes, like little rice salad. You know? It's like, give me a little Oh, no, I'm keto. I mean, ketosis. Okay.

Okay, so here, here's this weird. So I have this, I have this theory that is completely unscientific, but that has never stopped me before.

Now just look at broadcasting. Yes, exactly. Yeah.

Yeah, no, I have no basis to believe this, but I don't care. So but I have this theory that you're that we we each have an ancestral and I hate this word, ancestral diet, that we have an ancestral sort of diet that that like so if I look at my lineage, and I say okay, so I'm like, I'm I'm super white by the way like, all of my family heritage comes from CAST basically white whales and

Oh, whales, the country. I'm sorry. Yeah, I thought you were like, whales. Yes, the low belly of a whale blubber.

It's all I mean, I'm like, the I have this theory that if you look at your heritage, and you say, Okay, what did my ancestors eat? That's probably what you should mostly be eating.

I have a similar theory. It's but it goes more towards what where you live to whatever ground you're working, walking on and where you live. The you should be eating from that ground in that that area. So Texas obviously beef. Yeah. I think I think yeah, I buy into that, you know, but that isn't that the whole keto thing is caveman.

Yeah, that goes way that goes too far back that goes that goes to

pre close. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, he's

like, if you go far back far enough, we're all really no, we all came from the same place. But if like if your heritage is from North Africa and mine is from Wales, yeah. We probably we, you could probably get away with eating more of something else, then I can't then I can't like, you know what I mean,

you know, what they say about whales, right. So God was, well, Wales is in the United Kingdom. And when I was flying there with my instructor UK is not that big. You can fly around, you know, in a day you get get a lot of it in and he would point down he said, see that there? That's Wales. He says, even if your engine is on fire, you do not land there. Why? Something? Something about the Brits and the Welsh it's something doesn't gel. I'm not sure what the issue is, but I

Aim for the water. Yeah, it's just

just crashing, you know, just ditch it. And

I'm just in a pissy mood this week?

Well, I don't I know. We've been friends for over 12 years now. And I know your calendar and your count, like twice a year it gets crazy at your office and it's around corporate tax time, individual tax time, and there's probably someone there LLC date that does, you know, October, whatever. But September 15. Today is like the day I can't believe you've been doing the show,

though. Yeah. Okay. It's it's funny, because the day of the deadline is usually, you know, you're either done or you're not, you know, we kind of like, by that time most everybody's pretty much finishing up. So there's, there's a there's always a few emergencies, but it's usually by that time, everything's calm down. I just like, you know, I think I'm just aggravated by normal stuff. And then the podcast news this week, has just like, made it worse today. Well,

the enemy The thief comes in, only to steal and kill. He's that. He's just trying to distract you. I had it this morning. Trying to distract you from the message. You know, I had a really emptiness in with staying with their sister for a few days. She comes back tomorrow. So I'm here with the dog. The dog didn't want to look at me the dogs by the door like

I can tell when Tina's go. I can tell when Tina has gone Oh, without without knowing that Tina has gone okay. Just by how you text.

Really? The nature of my texting? Wow. Yeah. And I

can't it's intangible. I don't know how to describe it to you. But I'm like you said Tina has gone on like, yeah, I already knew that.

Well, it is true that I've I've known you know, three times as long as I've known her. Now that's natural for know for you now longer, I'm sorry, four years longer.

Even tell you you've got there's a there's a certain stride. In your in your conversations.

Well, well, I there was just a whole bunch of stuff going on. And I'm like, no, no, I just gotta reset. Because I'm so I'm so so excited about the value for value music. And I've been playing it and people are emailing me saying, you know, you're right. I wake up in the morning, I have this these tunes in my head. And it's not stuff from the radio said yeah, this is exactly how it this is exactly what's happening. And I just, I keep busy, like being amazed by how repetition just,

Or else and worse for me I did a live stream the other day of Mitra of meeting like late like making some music and GarageBand and because it just got like it's gotten in my head I'm like oh, I've got some I've got some ideas for some tune.

Oh, anyway value for value music is bringing bringing the musician better in your back to the surface. I love it.

Yeah, and then I had to stop myself because I'm like, oh my god, I'm already doing 15 You know I can't I don't have time for this. So I better build on that. But but it I see what you mean by it gets in your head and you want to go with it.

So you decide do something more exciting like output and OPML version of the top 100 Because that is sexy.

It was exciting to me.

No, I'm not. I'm not being facetious. I saw wait JSON OPML RSS. Love it. The chart, it's exciting the way you the algo, you set up which is based upon number of booths I think, technically isn't. Can we just say based upon a number of events? isn't a one minute payment also included? Yeah. Which I think is fair is fair. I mean, it's I see people who are streaming 1000 SATs a minute. So it's Oh,

I bumped man up. I think I'm at five. I think I'm at 500. At least on one app. Yeah. I got so many apps. I can't keep track of.

Yeah, it's, it's really, yeah, it's if anything, I'm impatient. I'm like, Ah, we need this. We need that. And you know, and I know, and I know you're busy. So I don't want to inundate you like hey, why don't one thing I see is so anyway, so I'm looking at the top 100 podcasts index dot top, and John

to thinking funny to see that. No, I

love it. That way. I love it. And then then it got me thinking like, Ellen beach.com, I don't know if it's, if it's an I've been using lm beach.com, which really, it's even built, he's built a pretty good app there. You know, and you connect it to even on the phone, I could connect it to my Alby wallet.

Yeah, no, I know. I agree that so that's the playlists. That's why I wanted to go here next, because I thought you had another thought to go there. But that that's, I mean, that's where this is headed. His playlist is playlist sharing. So start starting with the chart. But then if you can, I mean, obviously, what's next is some sort of share your OPML style thing, right? Well

hear me out. Hear me out? Is it not valid for a playlist to be in the index? As a podcast?

Yes, for sure. That's what that thing is. That's what that bill,

okay. All right. But so I should be able to search and say give me Dave's playlist. And should end? Yes. And now is there a medium equals playlist? Do we have something like that? Or does it go in as medium? Because I don't know if it should go in as the medium tag being music or?

I don't know. No? Okay. Well, this is good. It is. So I thought You thought you already had sort of the concept of this, it'd be good to explain it. So the medium is for the playlist. Let me let me step back for a second. So what I did was I took the chart, the data that builds the HTML chart, and it just basically, in made an output other than formats than just HTML is still all the it's the same data, right? So now it's now it outputs an HTML chart. An OPML chart. The OPML

which is which and remind me to come back to oh my goodness, I just I'm sorry, I just opened up the OPML in freedom controller did pull it in. Oh, yeah. Oh, bro. But when I click on OK, it just now just shows me the titles don't want to click on it. There's nothing nothing's active. It has a little It does feed icon as well. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but no, when you click on it doesn't do anything.

Does it not expand? No. Okay, it's probably because it's sucking in just the feet. It's

the identity. That doesn't matter. I was just excited for a second. I'm sorry. You can still be excited. I'm no longer excited about that. Oh, wait to be excited.

Man, I'm so since I'm your way. So you have the OPML feed subscription list. Is, is there now? Now. And then also the same data is building an RSS playlist. So to my knowledge, this is the first time that there's been a playlist James may have done this, but I'm not sure. So

when you say playlist is that just like a podcast feed with enclosures?

It is an RSS feed that uses instead of items that he uses remote items, Oh, snap.

Yes.

Medium that there is not music. The medium is music. L. So me music list. Okay. There's a corresponding list version. Yes. So this is a meet this. This is a playlist of music episode references now for

like, extra credit. This extra credit class, this will be beautiful. Because this is what I've learned from the the sorted state of the music music industrial complex. It would be beautiful. If a music a medium equals music l feed could have a value block for the Creator. So that someone who puts together a playlist, a popular playlist gets their 5% or whatever it is, while the music is playing. It does. It's

got it. It's got a valuable.

Love you Dave Jones.

You know what's missing from the HTML? I'm just now looking at the chart. What's missing is references to those other two formats.

Yes, I intuitively I just went to V for V Music dot OPML. Because I I know you remember 12 years. So I'm like, Okay, I know where this is hiding. You're missing those references. Really what what not to make it go completely crazy. I'm not sure how this would look in in any of the other formats. But when I go to the chart, and I see daydreamer, we I know

Mega discovery. Yes.

And those MD, Mike my delta omega. I know it's a whole bunch of other stuff. I know it's it's like beauty stuff that maybe someone else can do this. Maybe not database work, right? You got to pull from the database.

Nobody else is gonna do this because I can barely do it. I just can't even understand my own crap that nobody else can

see that's going to bring people in because then they want to see the booster gram they send. And then when they see that, like oh, hey, this song that I boosted played on this other podcast. Let me listen to that podcast. Oh, here's another bunch of cool songs. So now you're which brings me to? And we I may have asked this question before. So it may may be really stupid because it's a recursive type question. Is it possible to have a remote item reference a remote item?

Wait, yeah, I felt like we talked about this before. I mean, technically, yes. Is a good idea and not give me

what happens here. Here's, here's, here's what I was thinking. Because we're seeing is, I'm not sure it means like

having an HTML reader is like having an HTTP redirect that redirects back to itself. Like, you can end up in a loop. And like, technically, you can do it but you hear like,

here he was my thinking. And this may this may be just a stupid bridge I'm trying to create to solve a couple of issues. But could you have a let's say there's a piece of software that just does wallets and splits. Okay, but you want to reference that from your feed. So to make it easier for a lot of I think a lot of developers just a lot of different things. If let's say I'll be for instance, they had a split management system or any or wallet or it could be just a

That you know, that's that's in line with the whole that's in line with the whole frustration I've had this week with all the what frustrated me this week was the digit just the whole digital ad supported. Podcasts, industrial complex bullcrap. That was hilarious.

If no one's making money. No one's paying money to the creators. They're stealing it. They've all these deals that were made with these networks all included guaranteed payouts, which are now they can't even make the guaranteed payout. It's crumbling.

Yeah, it's just fall. It's just falling apart. Yeah. And this is what gets me what gets me is the is the way that it's communicated.

Oh, yeah.

Can we just say, can we just simplify this and say, Look at look at any company. And if you if you really try your hardest to figure out how they make money, and you can't figure it out? They're not making money? Can we just can we just say that they probably don't know either? Yeah, if you can't figure it out, they probably can't figure it out, either. Or they're, you know, or they're embarrassed to tell you as you

are scraping scraping by, yeah, who

you are, who runs successful shows with large audiences and who are hurting? How in God's name does this bullcrap fit with what I see with my eyeballs. But if you live in the podcast, conference bubble, or the divergent digital advertising conference bubble, you start over time to think that's actually what it really what reality?

Oh, yeah, it's true. It's yeah, it's creating a false premise,

you stop being able to see that the quote unquote industry is really just a collection of like, two strata of businesses.

Yeah. But it's such a small, it's such a young industry, we're only just getting started, though. It's your

20 year, yeah, you got a small group of established companies that are on top, they have market share and revenue and enough cash flow not to die. And then you have a much larger, like tier under that of startups, that that'll say anything necessary and produce any metrics necessary in order to be acquired by that high by that desk here, yes. And achieve an exit strategy or bullshit,

or there's a lot of people looking for funding right now. And so, you know, the, the appearances have to be kept up, while the funding round is ongoing. And I know several companies that are doing this right now, I mean, the most, the clearest signal to me, because it it is a quote, unquote, free market is podcast, one stock price that really showed me everything I needed to know. And I think the the coverage has

that you're saying the book value of their assets

book value. Yeah, correct. Correct. Correct.

And that's, that's something they write Yeah,

and it just makes it makes me very unhappy people, the employees who have stock options probably at a lower strike price than the $8 but I don't think it's under three and I've been there I mean, I have literally been there with a with my own IPO we went the first day went from $7 to 725 and then had a slide down to the fours and worked for two years almost really hard and reporting numbers and being proud we were profitable one penny but we were profitable and you know and

I'll have to give it to James he he made it so this cast media podcast one coverage he a fairly stated you know, in I think it was in today's newsletter that, you know, hey, this is not an isolated incident. This is there's there's this is happening all over. And and he's right. I mean, you have people that Nielsen is laying off 1000 people you know, but hey CPMs are strong. Casper cast media implode is

selling a B You see an ESPN but hey hey media is doing well. Yes.

How about the CPMs I mean like the rev the cat the Cass media dudes like revenues per download fell off a cliff you know but then we get this other thing that says you know host reads you're doing great in PR laid off their whole podcast crew but downloads are up

on Spotify laid off their entire podcast group.

Yeah, it should be no but so but hey, the script ball squad cast so everything's great. It's this. This is all just a bunch of exit strategy. Everyone's talking Yes, the podcast industrial complex is just a navel gazing exit seeker the Silicon Valley hang on in there. They're in they're all using this like this other big story this week. That was annoying was the like this arts AI and Clara toss the two

And that's why people say it's a very young industry, because they really go back and say, well, it's really only been going since 2016. And it really got rolling with Joe Rogan. But yeah, it's all based on exits. It's all based on exits, and we're in we're in a, we're in an interesting spot right now. With value for value. Okay, let me step back and say one thing I've said all the time, because I did it, I went through this curve. And it wasn't just early or anything

Yeah, well, Somebody contacted me this week, and somebody we know and said that, you know, they've got a longtime advertiser that's, you know, supports them really well. And now they're wanting to use one of these ad ad tracking analytics companies to put their one to put a like a prefix. Yeah. into their, into their down. Yeah, they want metrics.

No, because they need closed systems for attribution.

Yeah, and that, but they will tell you all day long people like a cast, they will say all day long. We're open for open podcasting, open podcasting, open podcasting. No, your marketing company, your digital advertising company, and you're not playing, you're not doing anything with furthering the open podcast RSS specifications. Don't act like you are because you're not here you are. You're in it to sell ads, just like ever, just like all these other companies are no

Well, none of them are making money. None of the networks that I know of see as becoming your blog are actually pointed to you said this network is making money. But okay, maybe. I'm not so sure about what that means. But there's so many dynamics in a in a podcast network, that that just don't work in a business sense. And that's because anybody can reach the network. There's no, it only works when it's linear time

I'm already having to make decisions already. And I've only got, you know, four or five of these things. And I'm already like, Okay, I'll get like, what if I want to replace one with another, I have to make a decision, like paywalls paywalls, don't do what people think they do. know, they, they aren't what you think they are, they only stop the people that wouldn't have paid you anyway, from listening,

which is the same as value for value, you're not going to get everybody to send you value, it's only going to be three or 4%. It may be the same three or 4%. Who would pay for it. But it's amazing. If you ask someone to subscribe, and it's $5 a month, that same person probably would have given you 15 If you just ask them, for you for them to help you out. That's my experience.

They had that long conversation on the accidental tech podcast the other day about their advertising being down and what you know, what do we do? Do we increase the price of the subscription? You know, and I was like, no, no, no, no, no. Take the lid off. Just take the proper, the proper solution to this is not to raise the floor. But to take off the ceiling. You know you don't don't like don't raise the floor up so that you exclude even more people. Take the ceiling off. Let people pay

That said, I think there I'm gonna go back to music for a moment because there is a this opportunity of music and podcasts is so large is so huge that everybody can benefit artists first and foremost, and I think we'll see a free market develop between the wallet switching. So if you have a playlist, I can see where someone has a very popular playlist and they put their wallet share their wallet switching share at 10% instead of 5% because they just they

And this is a bunch of I'm not mad,

I'm not mad. I'm not mad. I'm not mad I am. I think it's great because it brings attention to what we're doing. But we have to realize that there are venture capital funded companies who believe believe that it is just people going to a website and clicking booths that is making this happen. And we have the data to show that that's not true. It's coming from these podcasts that that are switching wallets, in the podcast. And that's what's getting the big boost and mainly

You know, I mean, but you know, and, and on noster you get stuff like the Fiat Jas rant about how horrible RSS is and it needs to go away. I'm like, this, this is all so stupid. Because the the RSS based podcast ecosystem is a 20 year mature, content delivery system that already works you have, there's nothing to build people. There's nothing there to

Correct. And right now, there's only one VC in that world. And and that's Jack Dorsey. Yeah, he's he is the VC. So what I realized from this is, we have to go back to the same way we started with value for value for podcasting, we have to

you for that image. Yes, yeah.

And the to be fair, we have great tools, we have sovereign feeds, we have split kit, but that's obviously overkill for most people who just want to do a music based podcast or want to add one song into their existing podcast. That's that's the low hanging fruit. Hey, you can play this song and share the share the value with the artist just by clicking on this button typing in the song and hitting go add it to your podcast, that's literally all that it would take

Yeah, so you know, I mentioned I think I mentioned last week, you know, audio books is next. Absolutely. Meat and medium equals medium equals audio book you have. So look at what's in the index, we have hundreds of feeds, from Librivox and independent contributors to opening a two that have recorded audio books, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds. One good audio podcast based audio book app, yeah, yeah, we'll blow the

I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you this the first hosting company because I mean right now I'm promoting sovereign feeds and split kit, which is it's just daunting. It's daunting for people but the early adopters are coming in and I'm promoting their shows as much as possible. But the first hosting company that enables this for music, I am going to bring 1000s of new customers to your door 1000s I promise you the first the first 500 will be frustrated radio DJs because I got I've got him

The trolls are

I surprised too much. So, the API is there, it's all there. In fact, I'm gonna go into you know, I use em air list for, for my system, which is this German guy is closed source, but he has just one guy and his whole community,

this your, your entire okay, this is the entire the entire Adam curry stack is is is a series of software by quote this one guy might be a German guy. He's just the German the German guy.

Yes, yeah, that's right. Yeah, and I'm just trying to tie all of these little one guy outfits together to make one thing. And so, you know, I realized that here, I have this beautiful playout system, and it has a REST API. And I want it to query the index. So I can do a search, find the song and play it and drag it right into my playout system, instead of finding the song going to the index, downloading the song naming the song, you know, then dragging it into the playout

Okay, so what What tool do you need in in in their list?

Forget about me. I don't I don't want to I don't want to complicate things. I'm covered. Okay, I can use the Split kid. It all works. You know, I got to jump through hoops and the extra hand while I'm doing the live show. And that's just a touch myself, because I'm so excited. But really

what Jeff, who's saying that song by the way,

to vinyls, the vinyls. When I think about you, I touch myself. Yeah. And we're there and I just want one one hosting company to be able to query the index for the song that someone played in their in their show during the during the publish process. Oh, you played a song? What was it? This is the song. When did you play it at this at this time? It's not it's not that hard. Make it a part of the chapters process. You could even do that perhaps. And then boom, pulling the remote item.

I feel bad I brought bitchiness to the show today.

No, no it's not everything is good. Wave Lake is good. It's all good.

It's just the Bitcoin the Bitcoin bro fast is not good. I'm done with that grab the the Bitcoin. So you know like Pura Vida, bro economy economy I hate that crap. I'm totally done with it. I'm just I'm just so fed up with the whole thing. Well, well nice of them not publishing your article and instead publishing some VC VC back scratch article. That is That's very frustrating. Today

Yeah, but this but I'm, I'm it's forgiven. It's okay. I understand. It's actually good. I see it as a good thing because it brings attention, but I want our community to understand that the opportunity is there. Let's not just let it slip away and then only be harder to get back each time. The artists are excited. I'm getting people send. I have I use pod page for carrying the keeper for histogram ball, some

Did you? Did you tell her go put it on noster?

No, I didn't. So when I these are signals, these are big signals that I'm getting. And I'm very excited about it. I just, it's what we do here is we have to, you know, evangelize in this case. Like, here's what, you know, and use words like wallet switching technology, you know, instead of value time split. You know, these are these are things that that trigger people go oh, in fact, our long lost data yo, Roy

when Roy when Roy says he's gonna do so

he does it? Oh, he does it. Yeah. And, you know, it's like the the fountain music tab is is phenomenal. I mean, I have a lot of feedback on it. But, you know, technically, you now have subscribe to an artist feed. In fact, now I can add songs to my music library. I can create playlists from it. But also when something new shows up from an artist, it's going to show up in my music tab under that artists just like a cool just like a podcast. Now it's exciting. A couple

of things that we need though, this. So let's talk about needs here.

I need a good spanking is what I need.

Now you're baiting I so sorry. So we need lyric, we need lyrics, um, in the form of transcripts. So in a music medium podcast, the transcript becomes lyrics. And we need more of that that is so and so that's one thing. There's I don't see I don't think I see any of that out there yet.

What's fun and funny. If you look at booster grand ball, and you're looking at and you look at the transcript while the show was playing, my transcript is actually transcribing the song lyrics as it goes along.

If you had lyric if you had the JSON you know word by word. granular level timestamping format of transcript Yeah, then I mean yeah, that's that's like full on bouncing ball. Yep. Yeah, karaoke. So karaoke style. Yeah, you can get you can go all the way with that thing. We need that we also need the liner notes. Yeah, just RIP in the description music side

project is all over this, by the way, Steven Bell has all that. And if I can just say, Ellen beats is my favorite app. Ellen beats.com has everything. It has music shows that I can listen to. It has recommended music that is new. It has the top 100 It has a search function. The only thing as a as a small side note is when I'm on the recommended tab, or I'm on the Search tab and I click something I listen, I go back, it scrolls all the way to the top, it doesn't remember

Yeah, we're, we're working on trying to figure out how those playlists can contain a little bit of metadata, but not so because what you get in a playlist currently for the for the music l medium, oh, what you get is just a list just a list of remote items with with good references. You don't get like, you know, title author. All right, right. Right. Right. You don't get all that which, which is, so it's doing its job

Right, this is a technical issue that you you've been thinking about. Yeah, and so

they, you know, the original idea was, these are, it's like DNS, or if I mean, you're gonna, you're gonna resolve this GUID, find the feed URL, and all the metadata that goes with it, because the GUID can change. So really, I mean, technically speaking, it is doing its job as you know, but then Alex said well, why don't we we could put some metadata in there and then put expand the remote on tag with like a TTL. So after a certain amount of time, right right, it's time to

idea Yeah, I all my TTL is 10 minutes.

DNS Yeah, you're tight you run tight ship over there.

So I hate it whenever I go in like I'm going to add something to my like a CNAME or something and then set to an hour and if I screw it up and only have to wait a whole hour or so like No, no, no, no one minute one minute tight baby tight.

Back in the old days, man the details on DNS records were like, you know, minimum like eight hours sometimes you know, yeah.

And then you had to call the client and say the DNS is propagating,

propagating in every sysadmin Evers like, Oh, you just got to wait for it to propagate it could take a couple of days and you have no idea you just believes bullshit and the whole thing, but that the other thing is is the Ainsley Costello interview that Sam did on the pod news show

See, this was a perfect opportunity for wallet switching there you know it's like interviews Oh, my god man. The interview shows I can't wait for interview shows.

Well the let me we since we're we're already doing it when we have guests on this show we give them a split right but I'm not a value time split

split right but I'm talking about the value time split for instance Sure, sure. As we are about to demonstrate because I thought felt it was way overdue for the pod sage to select a song to play on the podcasting 2.0 show better known as the boardroom in that and now we're you were already anticipating this question or I was

I had one locked in I was I was ready to get one in the chamber

but you want to tell us what we're going to listen to here

we're gonna listen to heaven knows by somebody be arrived have

a ride day right so here's what Dave said he said Why yes, I do have a song ready. It's a little heavy though. Really. Baby Musa?

way we saw create You? Right break carried out

Yeah, that's what we call a hard out right there I want to point out mess

me up is the band. The band is called it.

Eero hero? Yeah, um, yeah, I want to point out that the awesome work that is happening here. So the minute I played the song minute I hit start, I hit the activate button in my playlist on the split kit, which means the wallet switches in real time and it also makes a little mark for me. So when I go back, I can import that into sovereign feeds for the for the

So okay, what, let's do an analysis here what what's left what is yet to be built and not? Not on the hosting company side? Clearly they have work to do. What is what's left to be built? Specifically for me? And what what do I need to do with the chart? Or with anything else?

Okay. It goes hand in hand. My my wish list is the chart is booster grams and what podcast this was played on. Because that will that will only make more people want to make music podcasts. And when you have more music, podcasts, there's more places your music can get played. That That to me

I hope the overall noster ecosystem gives a lot of value to music I hope this specific people with within the nostril ecosystem that hate and denigrate RSS I hope they get gonorrhea

No I'm just not going to go along with that day

that it's unnecessary

you really don't mean that you really don't You don't mean that I know I don't mean that you don't mean that

I just don't I just don't like the idea that in order for for for the in order for my stuff to win your you have to lose that mentality. I hate that.

I haven't seen that that much lately. So it's still out there.

We read we read that thing from Theo Jeff last week. I don't remember on the show that booster group is somebody linked to it in the booster gram and it was just this tirade about RSS and how stupid it was podcasting that that? I think I can't get that out of my head.

No, I think it's just nah. Okay, come close. All right, turn up your headphones Dave. I'm going to read you have this evil demon be gone be gone and Austin demon be gone. You don't have to worry about that's just people who are ignorant and don't understand. They don't know what we're doing. And you know that they're just as frustrated as everybody else. But they they have had their eye on a different solution and haven't seen what we're doing. That's all that is. It's just

but just protective of the people, we got to get a group of people who have done who have worked their butts off for three years to create to create a system that is pumping value into the Lightning Network. That they are the RSS the stuff podcasting 2.0 in the podcast ecosystem, is pushing lightning payments in a way that no other single thing is at all. There was a time there was there was a point in time, where I would say more than 50% of the Lightning Network traffic was us.

You know what's so funny about that? And you look at did someone put that on podcast index dot social, Bitcoin, the Bitcoin Conference? And they said, look at all these great companies that are doing stuff with lightning and we're not on it. No, it was like

literally more than 50% of the Lightning Network transaction volume was they just they act like we don't even exist.

They don't know. They don't they don't know writing. Nah, don't Don't let it bother you, brother. Really? Because we're building from the inside out. We're like, we're like this alien this growing in their stomach is gonna open up. Yeah, but that's it. You know, it took podcasting itself. It took a good wow, what did it take? 10 years, almost, almost, maybe 12 years before it really blew mainstream, you know, and blue onto the mainstream with Yeah, it was some flukes. It's

You've taught youth. This has been like therapy today. You've talked to me, though. You've, you've talked me down. You're right. I'm glad I no longer I no longer wish for gonorrhea on anybody. No, no, don't. I wish

maybe jbsa on their nose but not gonorrhea. You know, just like a beat

on various places, but not no longer wish horrible diseases on these people. And I hope the Jeff has a nice dinner as a significant other.

But that that is that is the switch I made and and it's it's just as weird as asking people to donate or support what you're doing it especially coming from mainstream. It's, it's completely the antithesis. But I'll tell you what, I'd rather be asking people to support what I'm doing in any manner, because they love what they're hearing,

down. That's not brand safe. That's no no,

I don't I don't want AI scanning my transcripts to see if I'm brand safe. None of that stuff I don't want I don't want Yes.

The only salvation of that is you most people can't spell Gunga Rhea gonna be in?

We'll see how the transcript does. Does, you know obviously it's like, you know, I don't want to have to be given 30% to Apple or or, you know, 10 15% the Patreon or even to pay pal really, you know, I want I want Stephen bell to make a piece I want to Todd Cochran to make a piece I want. I want you know, I want to the day right? You know, IRA to me, I want everyone to everyone wins in our system. Everybody wins. Everybody wins. There's no losers in 2.0 There's only

I needed this. I needed this because Sam's building great stuff. Yes. It's building great stuff. Eric p p is doing the Lord's work

on on health. Up to date. Yes, he is. Yes, he is.

He is He has put in a GitHub action just today, they will automatically push to Docker build the image, cross platform, build the cross platform image of arm 64 and AMD 64. And post the image to Docker Hub beautifully can be easily more easily update, push updates to Umbral and start in I don't know a start nine uses Docker Hub. I'm assuming it does. I

have no idea how it works. I don't know. I do.

Yeah, I mean, like this. There's, I mean, stuffs getting built. I mean, I mean yeah, I mean, look, look at look at happy, I'm happy.

Look at look at these bots in the IRC chat. I mean, all of this stuff. It just builds and IPFS all this stuff that's being this is our ecosystem. And we're at we're a snow slow roll and snowball just going down and I hope to bring some established people along with us. Now that's it. But what we're seeing now there's another snowball coming and it's musicians. And they've been waiting for something they've been they have been the literal but of the industry. They have

That's like how many hits did my website gets exactly

exactly.

When coerce

it to get they've been coerced into scamming and cheating and using all these shady services and, and it's not about it's so bad that they don't care about money. They're used to not getting money. Now there's value I've always said Sats are bigger than stats. You know when you when you just look at your your lb wallet or whatever it is you're using and use a blip blip blip you just see a couple SATs coming in boom. There's a thought I was an amen someone sent me a boost. It

Yeah. So one other thing is, did you see the the proposal that that I posted about pinning an item? Yes, I did you see this?

I did? I did. I did

see it. Yeah. Okay. So this, this originated with a discussion on buzz cast by Kevin in them about this feature and Spotify, where they get rid of these pinned items. So you can like pin an episode to the top of the list. So when a new subscriber subscribes to your podcast. Now, this episode is sort of up top because you consider this like the the entry point this is this. This is the one episode where you're like,

this is the explainer the explainer. Yes, exactly.

Yeah, like this is the best place to start. So the for episode for episodic for not things that aren't like season based. So the they were like, well, this is like easy to do in the open in namespace. So, you know, we did it as proposed it. This would work very well in music is also fellow interview with Sam, she mentioned that a lot of the music injury, they're going away from albums and just going to singles basically just dropping, dropping tracks.

So you can say this is the hot one I want. This is the drop I want you to pay attention to.

Yeah, this is the one I want to pin right now. Because when you subscribe to me or my feed or of of tracks or whatever this is, this is the one that I want to be at the top. Like it could for a while it could be, you know, cherry on top, and then maybe as daydream or whatever Ainsley wants to be sort of the intro track that she thinks best represents her music right now. So I think I think it's a good, I think it fits well in both the podcast, spoken word, traditional podcast,

it's an important feature. It's a very important thing. Yeah, I totally see it. Totally.

Yeah. So but just the just that larger idea of, we're no longer just building for spoken word, podcasting. Now we're building for other things, too. Yep. And it does, it doesn't mean that every feature has to be equally applicable to all the others. But I think if if if you're building something for one, and then you say, Okay, well, could this apply to also music and audiobooks?

Right? We got to think that way. We got to start thinking that way.

Yeah, you're like, Okay, well, this actually could, it could, but only if we add this new attribute that that gives it a little tweak. Well, then we add that we add the attribute. We do we do that, you know, we do the next thing.

Yeah, I love it. Shall we? What are what are you on time today? Are you on? Get back to the office on time? Yeah, schedule. Let me yeah, let me thank a couple For people that have been boosted live since we'll be doing the show give you a little time to set up your your papers. Get your papers in order 7777 A nice oh, I should have had this ready a nice to striper booths from Sir TJ the raffle and where do you boost that from he boosted that from podcast guru which is nice.

I've never had a hive Gabby mean to me. I'm just ever

that's true. 1111 short row of Asako satchel Richards East Side Tony I'm starting to help onboard artists to podcasting 2.0 By hosting content for them. I host the artist album Songs and artwork for a six slash 94 split. Artists get 94% of the split interesting choice. I like it. No cost of the artists instant payments. Any artist interested in collaborating? Email me? One Eastside [email protected] Number one East Side [email protected].

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is the business this Eastside Tony gets it. It's like hey, I can do this. It's not easy to artists need hand holding sometimes. I will do it for you. Beautiful. Oh, good. Blueberry new music show debuted last night homegrown hits featuring Dame DeLorean Mary Kate Ultra and Daisy B Cooper melodic crew that is, this is the only music 2.0 show with enough balls to play exclusively self hosted music is called home

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Oh, yes, very good. Tone record 12345 pre boosting for all this exceptional work occurring over the past few weeks eluding all with scissors in hand. Thank you, sir. Then we have a Chris You know, 12345 Thank you, uh, Chris, you know, it's beautiful. I want to create my own playlist to share with friends and get them into V for V music. It would be a searchable feed that updates each time I make a new playlist.

I think I do. But it's we will figure that out as we go through the process of getting music medium and music l Rhea remote items pulled into the to the index. So we'll we'll do that in a way that were probably just exclude them from search. Yeah, not exclude the playlist from search, but exclude the, you know the contents of the playlist. Yes, sir. So you're not duping stuff. It's, I don't think it'll be a problem. It's not a problem.

Before we get into thanking some more people. This is a value for value podcast, which means if you get any value from the work that's being done here, if you get any value from this podcast, send it back. However, you can time talent or treasure. As you can tell a lot of time and talent is being put into this entire project by a cast of 1000s we love treasure you can go to podcast index.org. Down at the bottom there's two

i i love Oscar he's a great guy I've spoken to him many times and it just congratulations I mean he's just done some great work with found it II took on a very difficult task right out of the gate being vie for V focused and you know running running with scissors full bore hosting wallets and all this stuff it was a hard thing to do and I just got a lot of I got mad respect for the see we got we got oh we got to pay

podcast. Thank you Thank you team a blueberry I love that and it's separate from Todd by the way that is the team I think who agree that okay, we're gonna support the index and we appreciate them

as a we've got some booster grams we got in the morning says that I sound terrible with the new audio and he says you 100 Sound 100% Sound like a robot. It's hard to listen to.

Is that a new boost or an old boost? That is

a boost from September the eighth at four o'clock PM.

Maybe he was drinkin because you sounded great on the last show. You sound like a robot at all as you sound.

I'd listen. I listened back to the show and it sounded great. Yeah, I

mean, yeah, maybe when you put it in someone's head, you know, it's like I sound like a robot then people hear you like a robot. Maybe not. Maybe it's subliminal.

Well gene ever had boosted 5000 status and he said, today's audio is a bit distracting, but it's not horribly bad as some everyone else commented, good show. Regardless, interest is not. This is not great feedback. I don't.

I'm telling you if you tell someone like yeah, my audio is not good. People will hear it is not good.

audio sounds great.

Man, your audio. I mean, it's like it's like velvet in my ears. Dave

is he doesn't want it just like why?

Why? It's like fine wine. It's like a chocolate ice cream.

Gene been 2222 He says I'm like y'all Adam. I don't come close to my bandwidth cap on Linode each month, I'd happily donate my unused bandwidth. Good.

IPFS right. IPFS Yeah.

Yep. Joe Martin music 2100 SATs through fountain. No note. Thank you, Joe. My name is Joe Martin. So they Ryan Hirsch is working on working with Cameron to build like a remote IPFS management thing and the best I understand it. It's so that you can host your IPFS podcasting content on a node somewhere else but then manage it from a local local machine.

Oh, okay.

I think you might understand as you can manage it. I may be wrong, but I think it's like you could meant the the IPFS podcasting code is running like on your own polar star nine. But then the repository and IPFS daemon are in the cloud somewhere

and doesn't include a gateway the because I'm ready to I'm ready to host anyway. I want to be a gateway as soon as possible.

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boost. Chris last that would be Chris from Jupiter broadcasting 68,848 cents nice boost boots on the ground report. Jupiter broadcasting is distributing our office hours podcast via IPFS podcasting and it's working well our community is busy spinning up nodes to help support the network and we're looking at firing up some gateway Yes,

yes. Yes like the final

piece to truly be sovereign with our infrastructure fire.

Fire FIRE I'm ready. Oh, cool, man. Very nice. Good work. Good work over there. Jupiter broadcasting community.

Did you also see their Jupiter station

know what they have a moon base

that's Brian know this they have the Jupiter station is a live 24/7 radio like broadcast of their old back catalogue. They're now using the lit they live item tag to distribute.

Oh no, I hadn't I'll subscribe that's kind of cool.

Pod ping dot cloud token this morning so they can paying for it. Beautiful. Sir looks a lot 13 370s through pod verse he says May these humble few sets swell in your wallet like a bad lithium battery. But with but with happier outcomes for your pocket. I love what you all do together. It feels like I'm witness to the birth of a profound and good thing. Exciting and warms my heart. outstanding value dear friends, more sets to follow Cheers.

Thank you. We love Samuel

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entity, five like interplanetary was what was the? What was that one the longest word? I used to know it by heart. Interplanetary aneurysm no into. Man. I know. Supercalifragilistic expialidocious. But then there was the longest well look it up while you continue.

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antidisestablishmentarianism. antidisestablishmentarianism.

No, that's like, that's like in for labs area. Tech Metal 21 cent 5000 SATs through fountain he says, just trying to participate. Here's what's in my wallet. Thank you for all you do for podcasting. 2.0 used to grant Thank you. Thank you. Anonymous 617 out of 12345 sets through cast ematic for is this test boosting toy. See if Dave gets some of the new features of the latest cast. thematic beta. Value time split to V? Yep. Awesome. Nice work, Franco.

Oh, yeah. I mean, everyone's really stepping up on the TLVs. That's great. So happy to see lots

of lots of fixes. Yes, Sam has fixed things. Mitch has fixed things. Franco has fixed stuff. Yeah, great. Great. Good work, everybody. Macintosh 2222 says IPFS gateway sounds like a great idea. Macintosh. Nice. Set well, not anonymous 5000 staff through pod verse. He says inside dirt on how the establishment podcast is streaming music industry. Work is interesting. We need to raise awareness, especially on the consumer side.

You know who's going to raise awareness the artists themselves. They've all got a fan base. Everyone will support them. They bring in people it's it's a built in built in Beauty System.

They'll raise awareness by releasing awesome tracks. Yeah. Source de 1701 That's a Star Trek boost. Your sound is harsh, prickly wondering if the noise gate is cutting things off too soon. Too much.

Well, thank you. This hurts man. This hurts my heart. No, no, but I have to remind what am I hearing? Hold on. I have to remind everybody that I had three people on the same sound channel on the last show, so I had to get a happy medium so everybody sounded kind of okay. That's that's the problem when you have multiple guests.

This is the real test. This is because this is just me and you, baby. Yeah,

I think I mean, in my ears. It sounds good.

Okay, cool. See Thank you so much D 33 333. Cola Mona sir Libra. Oh, his shoes his show is great lightning thrashes that's

Oh yeah, that's it's Is that where you got your suggestion from today? Because if not and belongs on that show. I was mastered very hard very hard rockin

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also a cooking is still pretty awesome. Oh no reference. I like it. See? mozzie might you got Mike Newman already? Didn't you

know I didn't know I didn't do him.

Oh, you didn't? Oh crap. I just deleted it. Oh, dang it. How do I get it back? Crap,

I can find it. I'm gonna sign new.

Because this is how I don't. This is because I hate Thunderbird and I don't know how to get back to my deleted items.

Go to your deleted inbox.

Let's say here.

Here's 15,550 For Mike Newman double striper boost from the day job biz, from the day job this trip this week. Give them another one that is double love tracking the V for V music development and stacking tunes into the it's a mood tracklist for the next episode, which I love listening to that. Kudos to Steven B's music V for V community forming and telegram go podcast. You bet brother. Great show. Great show. I love I love him. Because he's the the opposite of me. He's like, hey,

It's sort of like parts of space. Like our Global Public Radio, Alison

Steele the night bird

and the nightmare. There's a there was hard to space and there was some other some other late night peep the public radio show.

I don't know. I don't know.

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O'Neill sounds so Polish Polak

he's only half polish. Okay, what is the Darren part in place of half polish Dvorak and half Irish Larry. Instead of half Scottish Adam. Larry has such a deep voice that when he speaks every woman nearby thinks her phone just vibrated. Jesus.

Yo, yo, exactly.

All right, everybody's half polish evidently.

Thank you all very much buddy missing thank you so much, everybody for boosting got a monthly Is there a date? Monthly? So we got

Christopher Hara Barack $10 Mitch Downey $10 Terry Keller $5 Jeremy Kavanaugh for $10 Chris Callen. $5 Derek J. Vickery, the best name in podcasting. $21 Paul Saltzman $22.22 Thank you, Paul. Damon, Cassie, Jack $15 and Jeremy Garrett's $5

Excellent. Thank you all so much, we appreciate it the value makes us feel good. All the Satoshis that go into the node we use that for liquidity opening up channels anybody who needs them hit me up hit me up on podcast index dot social Adam mccurry.com. If you need liquidity for any your project for your node for your, your music, whatever it is, remember we have to be decentralized minds will have a

The museum about an exercise I feel I do feel better. I feel like I retract. I formally officially retract all wishes of venereal disease on other people.

It's, you know, it's it's easy to get discouraged.

I rarely get angry. But it just got me this way. It just it just got me it got all over me. I mean, like, Monday, I was like me, you know, and by today I was just like

well, there is so much to be excited about. So many great things happening so many new people coming into our orbit. And I'm just really happy about music. It's been such a rediscovery for me it was so turned off I lived in the hits for many decades and now to be in this in this ecosystem with with the people who are a part of it, the people who are joining the curiosity, the excitement from other people. It's just, it's fantastic. It really is. You've given an old

It's a great movie on town Hallmark.

All right, brother back to the grind for you, Dave Have yourself a great weekend friend. Me too, man. All right, everybody in the chat room. Thank you all so much, everybody listening, this was boom. We're gambling out this board meeting. And we'll be back next week with another board meeting of the official podcasting 2.0 board. You're invited because you're a part of it.

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