Episode 145: Valudation

Oh, podcasting 2.0 for September 8 2023, episode 145 value datian Hello everybody once again time for the board meeting of podcasting 2.0 The only boardroom that has zero stock certificates and only one heart out today everything going on with podcasting yeah you know that RSS stuff podcasting, everything happening a podcast index.org podcast index dot top, the namespace and of course all the happenings in podcasts index dot social I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill

this week the road caster is fully operational

it is we did a quick little

master.

We did a little a little tweaking and it sounds good. Yeah, I mean, it really sounds good. Do you have a noise gate on this thing? You have a noise gate setup

that can do it. I got no This thing's been out of the box for a maximum of 15 minutes. Oh, so we

can still freeze up is what you're saying? Yeah.

I'm gonna get I'm gonna get the boot halfway through

the show. So this is the this is the they sent you a new one, I presume?

Yes, they did. They called the B b&h photo people and they

they went Oh, yeah, okay, we know what that is.

I said I submitted a ticket with Ro And they're like, Ah, don't don't don't bother with that. Don't just send you a new one.

doesn't talk to anybody.

They they did respond to my email about late last night. Oh, yeah, that was about a week later.

Okay, was better No, I mean, I've reached out to many times nothing just the Oh really? No Yeah, no yeah, no nothing

nothing no, you're just the pod father and me well, what would

you are the pod sage? You'd expect somebody to do to respond somehow but I guess I

guess oddly enough they didn't seem to realize that

that did you shocking. Did you send out your tweet and everything to do all that stuff?

I'm literally doing it well. You felt you felt it? Yeah.

Yes indeed. So a lot of stuff going on while you're doing that. We are letting live Hello chat room. We're not lit what we're doing what what is someone saying this? This is Oh I'm in the wrong chat room. Here we go. There we go. People like you're not go away. Are we late? Yeah, why are you here? Yeah, what are you doing? This has no agenda go away. Okay. All right. So are we good here? Yes, we're good. You weren't it says we're not lit. What do you mean I'm not lit? I am lit I pinged

You aren't. Quote cotton gin. You are not lit.

Yeah. It's not a helpful error message. Cotton Gin. I don't know what that means. Yes, he's mean like I'm like me personally, I'm not lit. No, I'm not lit. I stopped doing drugs in November last year. Sam Sethi

said I was gonna watch rugby otherwise.

Is he in the chat room? Is he the chat? Yeah,

no, he's on he's on the mastodon. Oh, good to know that we preempt the rugby

now I do not forget to lit I didn't forget to lead I did it. I lit it up. I lit it up by fire that thing up loud. Anyway, so there's a lot going on in the world, but before we sit talk about anything do you have your list from last week? I had a heart out and and then there's all the stuff that you want to talk about. We wound up talking about funny enough about the road caster and a lot about the music stuff. You had some other important things on the list.

Let me look at us.

They were so important. Gotta look at the list. Yeah.

Well, you know, I still set I still I still sound like a robot. But I don't understand. So I'll figure that out.

You don't sound like a robot here. That's what's kind of weird.

It's actually kind of bothersome because it's really it's, it's it's distracting me. I don't know. I'll figure it out. I'm gonna get over it because

well, no, if it's distracting you we can we can fix that. I'm good. But because cuz you did hit the robot button earlier.

Is that stuck with me that this that makes me sound like a woman? Yeah.

Is Is that what you're hearing in your headphones?

No, no, no. I mean, the buck like I said, this thing's been out of the box for 15 minutes and I couldn't even get it hooked up to my computer through USB but I did manage to find the sound effects so you can see what's important to me.

Well, I'm just make sure all other faders are down. How about that?

All other faders are down. Yeah.

So if you look at your screen, there's nothing else should be open except for the chat bubble and your and mic one.

Yeah, I've got Mike one. Okay. Yeah. Mike one's all the way up at the at the zero. It's like, at the neutral position.

Yeah. No, but it sounds feels to me like something else is open that you're unaware of.

This is probably true. It seeing is how everything is unaware of.

Well, do you see any other white lines on your faders? Or is is everything down at the bottom?

Well, okay, so there's over on the right hand side, there's these three. On the screen. I'm at the screen. On the screen. There's the you know, there's like USB one, chat and USB two.

Right. So chat should be open. Everything else should be closed.

Well, USB one has a red, like mute symbol, like, slash? Speaker. That's good. Yeah, it's muted. Yeah, chat has nothing. It's good. Like, there's no icons. That's good. That's good. and USB two has a slash through this to this speaker. Okay, that's good. Yeah, okay. All right. Well, then it must be your ears. Just me. I'm just crazy.

Alright, who knows what's going

on? Powering forward, but,

but if it's hard for you to talk, then I want to fix it.

It's not hard for me to talk. I'm good with that. You know, maybe I'm too loud in my own headphones. Okay. Because the I prefer to for me to be lit for my volume to myself to be a little bit lower and you to be jacked. Okay. I need you loud and me soft.

That's what she said. Okay, so, so bring your mic down. And

if I bring my mic down, that's gonna miss you

know, I'll now raise it up here. It's no problem. Go ahead.

So my mic to me now. It's still it's still doing it. That's that didn't have an effect.

But you didn't do anything? Did you lower your mic? I didn't see anything. Yes, I did. Okay, so it's lower and it didn't get it didn't get less loud in your headphones.

It did. But I still sound like I'm gonna cough again.

That may just be the sound.

Do I normally sound like I'm in a

coffee? Oh, you don't sound like you're in a coffee camp? I think that's because the sound is crazy. No, I don't I have no idea. But I'll figure this out. I'll get it figured as long as it's not a delay as long as it's just a coffee can because you don't sound like you're gonna be a

delay. IQ. That's a good point. It could be a delay. It could be a slight delay. That's the issue. That was

my thinking is like this. You're hearing something coming back. See, this is riveting. Either way. Everyone's excited about we could have done this before. I didn't know it was

technically could not have though, because I only unboxed it, you know, 10 minutes before the show. I'm serious. I can power through this.

Okay. All right. All right. Well, we will have to get it fixed. Okay, to two big pieces of news. I'll start us off with the news of the day. The news of the day, the news of the day, clubhouse.

That's, there's news about the club. Yeah.

I was like I just always like to when when I was right about something, just like to stomp it in people's face. Oh, did

they shut down? Do they

know they're pivoting from live audio to group messaging? That's stupid. And I just want to remind everybody how jacked and Judy you all were about these things? It's the future of podcasting. Oh, yeah. Scragg is fantastic. Yes. This is that this is that. This is where all podcasts will be done.

clubhouse they, they're basically what anchor was. The anchor did this to they they have a buddy who's in a startup. It's, I'm sorry to hear. Well, he wasn't a startup, but they they pretty much shut down.

I'm not laughing about them. But yeah, I'm laughing about it. That's how it goes. And just no more money. can't feed the beast. Yep. And he

was like, he was like, we just we've only got we're supposed to have like 25,000 users at this point. We've only got 270. And I was like, Well, you know, it sounds like you're just you just need to switch from this thing to this, like this other thing. He's like, Well, as I didn't know, he didn't understand the pivot. He didn't understand how to pivot. So he's talking to these other guys who were in start these startup developers and they were like, oh, yeah,

The pivot that he should have made it should you call it one of these 50 companies that will do fake signups for you. Just before the board meeting this is this is what Silicon Valley is rife with. It's like, Hey, man, our metric with our VC is it's either a number of users, number of x's, you know, whatever your KPIs are, and then you just go out and buy it, and then you go raise more money.

Yeah, that's what that's that's the, that's not a whole lot different from the music streaming model. We're

gonna get to that in a moment. The second piece of news is, and again, I mean, I could see this coming down Broadway podcast one, finally. And they didn't really have an IPO. They spun out of Live was it live something one, whatever that's called

Live one, live

one. So they didn't raise money. Because normally a public offering is where you, you sell all the stock and you raise money. So this was all insiders, as far as I can tell. And, you know, they rang and I was, look, I'm excited for anybody to go public, I've done it is a it's a very tough path. Because, you know, you project your numbers every quarter, and then you have to hit the numbers and you're scrambling to hit the numbers. And by the time you hit the numbers, like we got to

surprise. Or it must have been a fluke. Exactly and

so I saw them on this all these people are ringing the NASDAQ Bell this morning. That's cute and and then the stock was just not hitting the tape of like, where's it where's it that's always a bad sign. One because that means there's some issue with the pricing so the they were priced at $8 to come out at $8 and not hitting the tape means they haven't started trading that which means the underwriter whoever is the market maker for the stock doesn't have the buyers to support the $8

Oh, oh yeah. If you can't get an initial trade then you have no price Yeah,

well so the price so it was I've been I've been through a pricing is very it's very harrowing. You know, it's like it because you have all kinds of insiders who have agreements like hey, man, you gotta cut this got to commodity dollars. Yeah, but you got to hold don't flip it. Everyone lies everyone lies in this game. And it's horrible. And these guys had a rough ride this morning. They finally came out

was this pod sees? Yes. Yeah. Pod see?

Yeah.

Is it $4.14?

Yeah, for 49 right now. So that's so that's a fair price, then that would be the price but a lot of people got screwed. Especially if they knew because I think that they were trying to lure a lot of podcasters in like, hey, you know, we'll give you the stock and who knows what the insider price was? I guess we could figure it out. But for people who were thinking they got it at eight bucks. You know, that's

Well, they're still 10 times more than BuzzFeed. So they're all good.

Plus, are they completely bankrupt? Are they completely gone?

There's stuck is it 36 cents? Just interesting to be on the side of my screen? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that's too bad. Well, they should do what what apparently what apparently everybody is doing is scam Hey, I mean, holy crap, you and I had a, we've had some conversations with some artists and people in the music business and who have kind of flocking to us. Which is is beautiful to see and and the excitement in value for value music being played on podcast, there's a there's certainly excitement from podcasters who are like, how do I do it? How do I do it? I don't understand

All true. 100% True, yes.

100%. And I'm just getting email after email on hey, how do I get considered how can I how can you? How will you play my song? And so I said, Well, here are the four places you can get your music up. And, and along the way, holy crap, and we gotten a look into what's happening, how it works. It let's put it this way. Value for value music on podcast, there is no competition. It is a complete blue sky open field. There's no Greenfield, Greenfield blue sky, there is nothing stopping

So we already know that we already know that the streaming companies like Spotify, did they down? They don't want you streaming the big stuff. Because they have that they have to pay for that. Right? So they want they what they want is for playlists that we saw were like I think cash is probably been about a year ago that we watched a video where this guy kind of went through it. And he said, if you start a

they're just, they're all people who have paid to be on that playlist. Right? And that

that's so that's the streaming company not they don't need to. This is my opinion. They don't need to. They don't have to pay out for that. Correct. So they they want. They're getting paid. Yeah. So you don't like they don't have to pay the royalty they're getting that like the money's coming back to them. It's they don't they're not they're giving out their let's say, what would you what would you call that they're giving preference to the lower tier artists that are

look at really what's going on here, Spotify, I think they do about $3 billion a quarter in, in in revenue. And something like $800 million is left over in gross gross profit. So this you know that the people who own Spotify who own the shares and who have all the back end deals are the labels. So you know, if you're if you're signed to a label, which by the way you label will not even consider you unless you have a million social network followers. Because they need that to trigger all the

You know, I think that this has got to do more with that I want to say this, I mean, people coming, getting excited about value about value for value and about podcasts and people to music. I think it's got more to do with it. It's got less to do with money and more with appreciation. Yes. And just the straightforward nature of it. Yeah, like, there's no, the lack of games. Here. You just you just like, Okay, you, you,

But besides that, we've you don't have to, to get airplay on today's radio stations. Forget about it. First of all, all these stations are owned by heart. You know, so you have to go through the iHeart system if you want to be added. You know, it's like oh, every Tuesday there's a that's when all the labels and they're independent record promoters if there's still any left that calling all the stations Hey, man, you got to add this record, it's really important is great.

He made a comment about the being so attached to social media like yet to have, you know, a million Tik Tok followers or something like that. That was johnsburg like yesterday in the podcast indexed a social I posted a clip from Mark ask Mark Asquith podcast where he's lamenting, you know, I don't want to get into these lamenting how people are so belligerent about a podcast.

Oh, he was clearly talking about now. He's clearly talking about me.

And no, I don't think I listened to the whole episode. Oh, did you specifically

Oh, we did because I made a comment. I boosted the new media show. The reason why I thought it was about me is because he said snark and I, and I had listened to the I'll get into it for a second. Anyway, I listened to the new music, the new media show as I do all the time. And Todd wasn't there. It was Rob and he had some someone on I forget. She was from some podcast company. And and Rob was doing his shield dance. He's like, Well, you know, it's generational, that you have to

This is the prediction. Urban Dictionary. Generational means your your

give my language?

Yes. Well. Yeah. So he's, so mark specifically excluded you he said, about two thirds of the way through, he said, No, I'm not. I'm not talking about, you know, the podcasting. tuple No, people gave in. Okay, all right. All right, you're doing stuff. They're actually doing stuff. You know, all the time. They're working to make this big. But you know, he specifically

wasn't Donald, okay, because I started listening to it. And I'm like, I just, I just gonna get mad. So I turn it off.

Yeah, but, but I think your point is my point as well, which is, and I think Mark was, was confusing, a whole lot of different topics all together.

It's also easy to do that when you when your company has been bought, and you're getting a salary. I just point that out. It's a lot easier to talk and to criticize.

Well, the heat. So you know, one of the, one of the points he can make him was if he told if we want this to be an industry if we want this industry to get talking. It sounded like he's talking to industry people. Yeah. And if that's the case, then I'm sort of I'm sort of of the opinion that there actually is no podcast industry.

Where do you there's no industry? That's the podcast industry industrial complex. Yes. But that, but there's no industry. I agree.

And that is all. So what, what has what happens is, people begin to allow the definition of what a podcast is to be changed in order to follow the digital advertising your money, the money. Exactly. If, if the if the people in the podcast industrial complex, who are responsible for doing these reports, and these surveys in and there's a whole ton of them, there's, you know, Edison of Signal Hill inside Magellan. I mean, there's just there's these

people who say it's a $2.3 billion business, which I can't find the money.

Yeah, exactly. It's, there's so many people who are sort of tracking, podcasts, podcast, podcasting, as if it's an industry as if it's an industry that is solely dependent upon digital advertising revenue. If that's your mindset, if that's your model, that if you're one of these companies, and that is your model that the podcast that podcasting consists of media distribution, that is supported monetarily by digital advertising revenue, if that's

it's a plantation. Yes.

to So to social media, specifically tick tock in such a way that the music industry literally cannot survive without social media. Now,

the guys who used to give the early Stax record, even probably early mode, I would want to have a motor but the early early music guys who had the distribution, which was trucks, and who had the recording facilities who would give their artists a catalog Back, they would have loved what is what this has become. It is so sophisticated. And I'll bet you the music, the music, the labels, they probably own the scam companies that by you that by YouTube streams and playlist

stream was removed happens to be the same number as what YouTube required for monetization. This 10,000 Number. Isn't that

interesting? I think it's also downloads on podcast if I'm not mistaken. Yep. I think it's the same

1000s Yeah, just arbitrary number that follows everybody around the digital advertising about that.

Whereas, I mean, I saw it with a relatively new artist, Jeff Smith. Jeff's not a new artist. But Jeff has been around Jeff is in Nashville. Jeff knows everything Jeff has seen it all. And he's a performing musician. He does crazy pianos. Sometimes he tours with the band. He drives to I think Cleveland once every two weeks to do like four days of crazy dueling pianos there. I mean, he's a working musician. Now, when Jeff sees SATs coming in, he knows he's not going to

Well, if you so you sent me a video the other day trying to remember

that was at the rap guy. Yeah, yeah. rap guy. Yeah.

And so he made a comment in there. I don't know if you remember this, where he he talked about this phenomenon of rappers that get millions of streams, but they can't sell out.

You know, what, if no one shows up at their shows? Yeah.

You literally have to cancel the shows because they didn't sell any tickets. Exactly. That's a scam. We we already see this in podcasting to the like, you might call it like paper popularity or their sequel, their sequel, famous, you know, they're just famous in a database somewhere. They're not they're not actually. So they don't actually have like this. They don't yeah, they don't actually have real ears that they care about lists don't have a real audience, right,

and they'll be slaves and will be slaves. As slaves,

you're just gonna You were just going to plug yourself in to the digital advertising ecosystem in whichever way that wind blows, that's going to drag you right along with it. And you're going to have no more control over it. None.

But the but the beautiful thing is and this is where we can end this argument is I don't care because RSS RSS will exist. RSS is is. You know, it's like what is I'm gonna say, bear don't give a crap. Honey Badger honey badger, honey. Yeah. Honey Badger. That's what RSS is. And I always love Well, you know, the industry is so young. It's 20 years old. We're talking about it's not young. That's code for we're not making money yet. No one's making money. Everyone's losing money. Stop.

Stop already, television had already had his own mob in his mind, you know, the mafia was already sold out to us long term. Yeah,

yeah. So we're on the right track. And I'm very excited. And, and I would love to see the tools coming online, I saw a semi angry email from Todd, which I always love when he gets off, because that means he's doing something like this. So hard. Yeah, this has died on and we know this. Not to be separate, right? Let's make it happen. That means Todd is working very hard on trying to get the value time splits working into blueberry or something installed. Right,

We'll meet music is just, that's just step one. I mean, audio books are next. Podcast hosting companies. I boosted into new media show the other day, and I don't think Todd read any booths on the show.

He only read mine

during the show on with him and Rob

Yeah, that's the beginning. Yeah, that's that's like, oh, Adam snarky. Okay. Generational old man.

Well, the, you know, what I'd written in was that podcast hosting companies. They had they hold in their hand, the RSS is a district edits core. RSS is a content distribution mechanism. That's all it is. It is a content delivery method. Correct. And it exists right now with a pipeline from podcast hosting companies, even if you run it yourself. Podcast hosting companies down to millions of what you would call radio receivers. In Adam curry parlance. Yes. The system is

What? It's not immediately let me just say it's not even blowing up an industry. It's a whole total zig zag. You're not even in there. You're not even in their in their wake. It's not important. You're not competing with them. You're on a whole different level. It's that's why I say it's blue sky green fields is all open. No one's doing this. Nobody. Nobody's doing it's so it's so obvious to me.

It's not a blow up. It's a circumvent Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it's

totally oh, we're just gonna stand over here with it. We're over here putting our tents up with our little lean tos and our shanties. Yeah, we continue

deciding our opting out of this. Yes, yes,

yes, exactly. And we've proven that we've proven that it can work. And you know, and within the next few years, we'll see podcasters, sustaining on value for values. Boosts and booster grams and streaming, and we'll definitely see it with artists. Definitely.

Did you? Did you see, by the way, Spurlock's chart of

option Yeah, that was beautiful. Tell everybody about it, there was there was a proud little moment for us.

Is that that was great. Like, let me see if I can find that post. Because he,

he basically he did. He did a chart of declared and declared namespaces and then namespaces that are actually used in feeds.

Yeah. Meaning in the usage means, like, are they? Did they just declared in their head? Or are they actually using tags? Right, right. And so you have the items namespace is sort of the benchmark is what is that that is the 100%. So everything, every podcast RSS feed, currently in his body of research feeds, is using the iTunes namespace, every feed has it and what

that what that means is that the RSS feed just for people who are listening in and don't know what the heck we're talking about, that means the RSS feed is signaling, hey, there's special functionality in here in this RSS feed that is inherent to iTunes. And because it's iTunes and podcasting, it really blew up with with iTunes and the iPod. Pretty much everybody uses the you know, all these tags since it was compatible with Apple.

And if you break it down, that obviously iTunes is going to be is going to be the number one there. It's not that's not an not a surprise at that. If you break it down a little bit further, if you say, Adam, the Adam namespace is pretty much declared by default in most content in most CMS is because you get it's, it has been that way for a long time, because you get certain features with it's, you're what you're doing is you're overlaying the atom ability to do links and

Adam was actually a group, which I think was Microsoft related. I'm thinking, who who looked at RSS and wait, no, that's not right. We need to make it complicated.

I thought it was Google. It might have been it might have been

Google might have been Google. Yeah. But well, we have to make it more complicated and all these weird features. And so they competed with RSS, and I would say RSS, arguably one

in that. It's very much the same. So the top, we'll see 123456. So the top six are iTunes, Adam, the Content namespace, the Dublin Core namespace anchor in the podcast namespace. So declare, declared use over 25% of podcast feeds are now declaring the podcast namespace Wow. To me, that's giant.

Within a couple of years from zero, yes, yes. Yeah.

And then Adam is in there, by default, the same content, the Content namespace. The it's declared a lot, but it's actually not used, right. As much as it used to be because iTunes used to Apple used to recommend that for the content, it just really only for one purpose is for to get the content encoded tag. Right. And that was For show notes. Right. So that was that's an old recommendation that is just continues to exist in a lot of CMS is Dublin Core, very similar

You don't exist to me You're dead to me You're dead to me.

So I'm I mean I can make a great case that as far as like podcasts specific namespace adoption we're number two. Yeah Rabbana twins baby.

Oh, yeah, but but it's not a competition with this is my entire point like Rancors all this doesn't matter it doesn't matter. It's it we only have what 15,000 value enabled feeds look at the money that's flowing around, look at the value look at the blips and the pings and the bloops and the and the and the and the integration, the interop between all these things. That's what matters. That's what matters.

It makes me happy. This makes me happy because it it it obviates the argument of well, we're not going to adopt it until we see it gained some traction. Right. Yeah,

yeah. Yeah, that was off the board. Now it is, takes up except for the people who are afraid of it, who want control who wants to maintain control and don't want the Wild West coming into their, into their publicly listed company? And that's, and that's Apple, Spotify, Google, Amazon, etc. And I don't think they'll ever let it in.

dribs cuts it foam finger number two.

Should we bring our guests in because they're just sitting here listening to us Yap away, and they've got some interesting things that that they've been working on. Yep. And I just realized that I don't even know one of our guests last name, but since he lives in a shack in the woods, maybe that's intentional. I'd like to say hello to from rss.com, Alberto. botella and from IPvs podcasting.com. We have Cameron. No last name. Guys.

Last Name redacted. Yeah. The the turnover. I have a I have something specific though. I have declared that you live in the forest. Adam said you live in the woods. And what do you say?

I'm on the edge of a national forest. So um,

yes, but that's not the point. Do you live in a shack? Do you have like a Ted Kaczynski like shack is the question.

No, it's bigger than a 12 by 12. But it's it's just a retirement place.

Over retirement place. Seville? Yeah. Okay,

now bear two lives in a villa. That's Yes. No,

not yet. But whatever question for for Cameron because we spoke so much on through email, Cameron. When I heard your voice for the first time a couple of weeks ago with some salary in the interview. When you said you were retired. I would imagine you being very old. But it seems as you sound Young. I'm puzzled.

I call it involuntary retirement. Okay, you're back in 2000 with the it bubble and

he made money there you go. Nice.

Well, you have a VLAN maybe you have a villa.

lost the money or lost it Oh, okay. Oh

it's a 12 by 12 Check and outside as a sign on it this hanging this says villa. That's was what Yeah, it's the money. Yeah,

no, I like the camera. You like me? He's like, we made all this money and then we blew it all in something stupid on me. It was hookers and blows and helicopters castles. You know, I had a good time I spent it all. Well. Believe me, it's not worth it. It's way overhyped. So now Roberto, are you in Spain? Yes, I'm

in Spain. Okay. Well, thank

you for staying up late with us this evening. already. So you guys have been working together. And something kind of exciting happened. Cameron started IPFS podcasting dotnet A while ago, and all of a sudden he came up with some some scheme I'm not I'm still not sure how we're going to you and you are already you already set up a node. So I'll let you guys speak for yourselves about how y'all connected and I started doing this. And IPFS for people don't know is the interplanetary

Yeah, it'll be almost three years this fall, I think that I started it. I was trying to figure out a use for IPFS. I mean, a lot of people wanted to backup their websites and files and things like that. But it was just so unstructured. So podcasting, you know, if you talk about RSS, it seemed like it was structured perfectly that I could know what I'm getting into, you know, as far as importing the feeds and knowing what the files would be. So, yeah, I went with that. And

the event started about a year in the hosting business, you charge people for hosting. So what drove you to be a part of this?

Ah, well, I can explain. Are Are we in the hosting business? That's a question, I think that we are defined as hosting platforms. And but that's, that's really commoditize, in my opinion. So that's something we've been thinking for a while. When you leave. When you check the pot scape from Magellan, for example, we are defined hosting

Yeah, like when I sent here 30 grand or something. Amount.

Yeah. 30 plus. So the reason why I saw it right away, or at least I wanted, we as in our sister calm, wanted to offer some resources to Cameron. And so a big node, dedicated, easy to instance, on AWS that he's actually maintaining. So it's very nice because we offered the resource but Cameron is using

I think it makes sense. Yeah, this is very interesting, because I've always seen the hosting business as a heavy overhead of money for the bandwidth. Actually, storage I think is is always under estimated how large that can grow. I know storage becomes cheaper and cheaper every year. But I've always seen it as a very intense human business for education and teaching and of course, the better your your tools are, the easier they are to understand the less you have

Yeah. So we have for a long time we distributed this for over a year or more, we distributed the database only on IPFS. Like it wasn't even, it was not even available for as an HTTP download. So then we had to add the HTTP download later, because the IPFS just kept getting so many emails of people saying I can't it's not working, the IPFS downloads not working.

Dan, Dave, I think the distributed part doesn't a bit might be what, gotcha. You were the only node hosted that file. Yeah, noticed? Yeah, I've noticed, my first iteration of this was, I was thinking, Oh, I only need two nodes per file, because that'll get me consensus, you know, that both nodes match. And that's all I'll ever need. But that wasn't true. You know, I had, once I started adding more nodes, you know, I don't know about 10 or 15 nodes, then the playback would work

Yeah, cuz at that point is just, it's no, it's really no different than than just serving a web serving and over HTTP. I mean, you're just, it's just like straight downloads.

So you're just serving the file.

This is really interesting. So is Steven Bell, basically in competition with rss.com?

I don't know what, what do you think?

How about this? I'll say yes, because he has all the tools I need. And now I have my own bandwidth. But I successfully used IPFS for a booster Graham ball. And, and I don't pay him I pay him a split. I give him a split for for everything I do.

Yeah, in that, in that sense. It could be a competitor. But again, it really depends on on the needs of the user, you you may be labeled as a Pro user.

Oh yeah. I'm I'm a very bad customer to have because I will text you would 11pm and say shit doesn't work. Come on, man. Fix it.

Yeah, think about the majority of people they you know, we said before RSS is is The content delivery method. But most of the people, the longtail the creators that are starting, and even professional podcasters. They don't want to, to write RSS feeds. They don't want to make syntax errors, they want that GUI they want the graphical user interfaces.

You know, I'm in total agreement with you. I mean, so I love that you think this way, because this is, you know, Steven, I've told Stephen Bell many times No, do not do not get into the hosting business. But it was never for the bandwidth. It was always you don't have the physical human bandwidth to hold everybody's hand all day long. Because there's such a huge, not even support. I mean, you I think if your tools are good, the support kind of takes care of itself.

no, no, we have, we have Michael, which is, who is the head of CX customer experience, we like to call it experience. And then we have four people in different counties. So we have five people. So one, on the one hand, customer support is really important. It's the one of the added values. But again, also publishing tools like transcripts, and other features we are building in the

to only ask you what, what specifically is it that you're that you are hosting? Are you hosting hosting an IPFS node or a gateway?

I don't know that. I wish we had that gateway. It was a great conversation in the in the last in your last episode. Gateways should be probably there should be a dedicated gateway for IPS IPFS. Podcasting, absolutely just a node. So the node is running the Python code that Cameron provides me the only difference from other nodes that we just put some money and, and put a terabyte of data, there are storage. And it's now hosting. At the moment, it has more than

Sorry, no, last I checked, you had about 6000 episodes.

You're supporting the whole podcast industry.

Oh, that's why it's been a godsend. Because, you know, the nodes they come and go. But his has been there the whole time. So there have been times when you know, I lose a bunch of nodes. And like thank God Alberto was there because he's got most of the files.

I find this fascinating for this reason that Albear or sis.com. They're known as hosting shows from other podcast hosts.

Right. That's right. I love that. That's fantastic. Is

this something that in that sense? Is this something Alberto, the podcast standards group? could do? Could they could they encourage their their members to spin up a IPFS podcasting node?

So let me tell you, it could, we could do that. But we'd never spoke about IPFS at least not yet. We speak on the main conversation is about podcasting. 2.0 tags adoption and how together we can move the industry way towards innovation. Yes, it could be some conversation we should have at the moment, just to be very clear, we host these episodes.

you, you participate in the network? Yes, yeah. So we were discussing this. Alright, so So now let's get to what I think is the interim step. And maybe it's not, which is the gateway. And so when I started booster, gram ball, I decided to go balls to the wall, I'm gonna throw this thing on IPFS right out of the gate and out of the gate, it worked. It worked perfectly. It works beautifully. The last week, I started to get some, some well, okay, let me just step back for a second.

Yeah, I think the ultimate would be the native IPFS. Could they've been they could grab straight from the nodes, currently, you know, and there wouldn't be any way to block it. But I did seems pretty difficult. As far as getting it on Android and iOS.

Why? Why is that difficult?

JSON a podcast guru was trying it. And he was having issues where I guess it used a lot of resources running a node on your phone. And then he had to download the entire file before he could hand it off to the audio system. So you get a huge delay. Yeah, yeah. So you couldn't stream it? You could, you'd have to download the whole thing before you started playing. So I don't know if there's a workaround for that yet.

There's no way to just have a light light node that just understands the IPFS protocol. I guess not. I guess I'm asking things that people thought of.

Yeah, I don't know, either. I mean, you've got to talk that protocol. Yeah. And you got to get get your peers going and have enough peers. So you can discover the files, you know, because I know there's 1000s of peers out there.

Let me just say don't have them that breeze runs into with running an lnd node on the phone is right, okay. channels open. Okay.

Right. Gateways are the backup, you know, so we can use HTTP. So it'd be nice to have volunteer gateways that could convert from IPFS to HTTP.

So I've asked void zero to set up a gateway or gateways on the servers that I have, which he's still working on, I guess. Is there now? Is there a way to reward gateway nodes? For being a gateway?

Yeah, my, I guess anything's possible. I just, we were trying to figure out how to decide which gateway gets paid. You know, so when a boost comes in, you want to send the portion of that boost to the right gateway, multiple gateways. So currently, I don't know who's using it right now everybody's using IPFS. Io. But if there were multiple gateways sharing the load, I'd have to know where to send that payment.

Well, if we, I thought I had a conversation on the phone with Alex gates a few days ago, and we were kind of hashing some of this stuff out coming to try to come up with ideas on how to do that. And his, I think, you know, he posted some stuff on the mastodon about it, and, you know, are two sort of, well, I guess, you have three, you can have sort of three methods, you know, you could put multiple

Well, I think I can do what the TLV record somebody's analysis mad at me or doesn't like me? Yeah.

No, I think that's just Alex, I don't think you'd take that personally. Well, I'm

sure it's a source code issue. He wants to view the source for the algorithms and all that stuff. The prefix that you use now, it determines, you know, where you're, if the file exists, and who hasn't, and all that stuff. So, I mean, I could use that to figure out which gateway and do the round robin through the prefix. The only issue with the payment is the boost coming back. And he did like, I was thinking I have in

Transmit is good,

Cameron, statistics and analytics? If would there be a way for gateways to share analytics so that you can have an overview as a as a podcaster running here or distributing your show through IPFS? Could that's what that's what always concerned me a bit if I have a concern is the analytics you can extrapolate from IPFS.

Yeah, that's that's an issue because you're only going to see the plays that you're like, go through your gateway, you're not gonna see the other gateways.

Isn't that worse, but what comes in because we've been using Spurlock braid, basically for for the stats for the shows, right with the his redirect.

Yeah, that's actually good point. Spurlock. He's got everything because he's going to get in the redirect before it comes to IPFS. Podcasting. So he has all the data. And then I'm storing some data to, to

kind of just stop for a second and just realize that here we are for guys who have never met each other in person. Well, Dave and I have met. There's people all over the world who are working on this and look at how we're doing. This is so cool. And then Oh, yeah. Spurlock he's got the data. I love this. I just got I just got goosebumps for a second here. Now. Like, no offense to the podcast, working group, pod standards working group, but dude, look at what we're doing

Yeah, Alberto, if you wanted to duplicate something like a like Spurlock, you know, you have your own prefix for stats for your hosts or your podcasts. then you would be able to see everything.

Yeah, that's the point perhaps if there was a prefix from IPFS, podcasting, then everything would be centralized. And then you could offer the stats through, you know, J zone or an API. Something that must be centralized, I guess, meaning, for example, we run everything through a Python script you offer, and you still keep track of who has what? Correct. So if that's the case, why don't you build the prefix?

Yeah, I'd be duplicating what Spurlock's doing. But yeah, that's basic. Why don't

we just want to just get whatever it's for luck. And when we just get it from John's,

his stuffs open source? Yeah. Right. It's there. Yeah. That. So let's see here, I found I found I was supposed to say, so he said, move forward, putting the gateway URLs in Austria enclosure, see, and he said, Oh, this is what it was. So the other option, the third option would be to have the gateway that's chosen, have like a dot well known URL so that you could have, so that you could query the gateway. And know, this was what we did with no agenda tube in the early days.

get the algorithm sophisticated. I like that idea.

You choose the cheapest one or the one that's most reliable or whatever. I mean, that's an option.

Right, but who makes the payment, then the player would be making the payment? Right? That's not a part of the IPFS. Split? That'd be a separate

split. Yeah, the play? Yeah.

And then another question, Adam was who defines the fee? God, God,

Jesus, Jesus determined? I mean, that's certainly the free market. You know, the, the free market determines that. He's not the beauty of it. Like if you can have competing nodes, and just like Dave said, you know, it's like, Well, this one's reliable, or this one has is fast, or this one's you know, my body or whatever it is, and then, you know, then the fee comes into place, or what does that cost? I

Well, currently, the way I understand all the splits are defined by the podcaster. You decide how much right hey, right, you know, to IPFS? Or Stephen or whoever. So if a gateway comes by and says, Well, I want 10%. Is that coming out of yours? You know, or then are we doing the fee thing? Where you add it to this?

Say, that's why the fee thing exists? Yeah. Because because there's a recognition here that there's there's going to be costs. If for certain services are provided, there's going to be costs that are fixed that can't they, they can't be sort of like bartered in real time. So you have like for bet for bandwidth if you have people providing it, they've got this fixed cost, so they have to do like a fee instead of a pay what

Okay. Let's knock away for the enthusiasm on that one.

I think thinking but at the at the moment with nodes, Cameroon, you choose the fee, right? We put our wallet, and we just you explain how use you split. But we cannot say, you know, I want X percent or I can specify a value. So why not starting for gateway with a with a similar rationale, and maybe with an algorithm or just some some rules, given on how many episodes you serve and some other criteria, you increase or decrease the fee? It wouldn't be easier.

Well, the fee right now is optional. You don't have to,

I think he's talking about the split that you do the IPFS

split the split I mentioned. So if you have you explained that, if you get a certain number of sets certain value, then the nodes get, I think it's a 5% split for a PFS broadcasting, right. And then this is distributed to the nodes. So why not doing

five to 5% is optional. If the podcaster gives the 5% or 10% or 1%. I take whatever I get, and then I just divided up. Ryan stole it? No,

that's what I'm saying. I would start like that. That's proportional to whatever is the boost.

Okay. Yeah, that was my thought too, was to say, like, if you say, 1%, if you want to say half of whatever I get goes to the gateway and the other half day, you know, there you

go. That's our thinking. Yeah, I think that's and then move and moving forward, I would say. Yeah, I mean, the way I view it is, if you want IPFS podcasting hosting, then it has to be a minimum of x. This is And now, for instance, if I want if I want all my booster grams to show up on fountain, I have to put in a minimum of 1% split so that they receive that it goes to my account over there, which is kind of interesting, because it actually comes back to me.

Yeah, it does. I mean, I'd like the idea that it's optional, just to onboard people to test it out course, of course, without forcing them to, of course, what. Again, the gateway part, you know, if I say whatever I get, I'm gonna give half to the gateway. The gateway is not deciding how much they need. It's whatever the podcaster defines as a split, and then half of that, or whatever it ends up being.

I'll tell you what, why don't we all take a little breather. I'd like to bum rush the chart for a moment and play a song. So we all can just click Collect our thoughts. And then also, once again, demonstrate the magical wallet switching technology with a song that I think is perfect for Friday for a boardroom there. When I was in radio, we used to have a song that he played with, there'll be a number of songs that we play every Friday at five o'clock into the five o'clock whistle

I go to work today. Another day, another dollars all my co workers Alright I got out of stocks up another day until the day you can leave this place and under on I can't stress oh my god oh my bosses sucks

John Ross work sucks thank you sir Spencer Dred Scott Mr. Robot Mike Newman for boosting through curio caster so you know that when the played the track the artist gets the SATs beautiful and everyone's dead?

Oh no I don't know how to work this thing yet I muted myself physical buttons screwed me up.

I gotta I gotta give you a little tutorial. There's all kinds of cool stuff you can do don't worry, it's you're gonna love it. You're gonna love that that road caster you're going to love it.

Yeah, let's talk in a way that nobody here. So just before

we get back to the IPFS stuff, Dave TLVs. And what because we need some we need our apps are beautiful brothers and arms have the apps to be doing some stuff to their TLVs for regular podcast. And then I'm not even sure if we can talk about boosting songs while we're lit yet because that's that's a whole nother can of worms but please tell us what what are what are our apps need to be sending so we can really crank up the discovery mechanism of podcasts index dot top.

Yes, I think I'm working with the app developers individually. I'm posting if I see something that's needed I'm just going through there one by one and like Oscar, he's already posted some stuff to him he's like yeah, I got it. We're good to go. Okay. Franco a cast Matic. He's good. I think he's good to go now. He knows he knows what is needed. Sam said the over pod fans a shot we exchanged a few emails and he's and gave him some examples and he's like, Yep, got it. We're

No, I see it. I see it. Okay, I sent you a note to change the wording at the top. There's a little discrepancy there.

Okay, I just took out all of that big paragraph,

ya know, the only thing is yeah, this is the chart. This chart is a ranking of the music podcasts that have been boosted the most over the last seven days. Well technically it is the music played on podcasts that have been boosted Yeah, so just so people understand what that but I like it a lot. It's so fun to see Fletcher and Blaney who have a tremendous audience very dedicated they're all over this chart.

They are in just the name having this name of a song be battled trance.

We just want to see that on the chart. And I love the layout. Thank you Nathan Garth Garth, right. That's that's really did a great job on that. And I love that the top 100 actually is like 115 Yeah, that just makes so much sense. That's That's who we are.

It's 100 ish.

I'm gonna call that the top 100

wrestle Beer. Beer root rag. That one is always dead last every band. I mean, banjo music

man is banjo music.

It's like, it doesn't matter how many times are on the chart is always dead last buddy. It's like it's just hanging in there, Caboose. I love it.

We have Cameron and Oberto here in the boardroom Cameron. If you could push all the buttons, man, what do you want to have happen? What can we what can we make? What can we visualize for you materialize? Oh,

I don't know, I've got a big list of things I need to work on. Alberto knows there's the algorithm has been?

Why don't you give a heads up on the algorithm? Cameron is so interesting. Yeah. Well, you cannot myself

music chart.

But what, uh, what the algorithm is about and how to find the most of the Middle Way of storage? And I think it's extremely compelling, if you will.

Yeah, well, I've got all these nodes asking for something to do, like, what do I work on? So I've got to come up, you know, I'd have come up with a way to tell them, you know, hey, you should pin this show. First, this one next, or, you know, based on your favorites, or your disk space available? And Alberto, in the beginning, he was asking, well, I want to host everything. So just use up all my disk and just keep

What is the camera? What is it currently?

Currently, it's just looking at your favorites, and looking at expiration dates. Because I've got that 48 hour option for if there's no favorites, that you'll, it'll stay on IPFS. As long as this gets plays, and once the plays go away, then it'll get unpinned from all the nodes. So it's really I don't know how to I don't know how to explain, you're asking what is it? It's a mess of code. So yeah, that's part of the

Now Phil Yeah. So it gets that way with, with with algorithms sometimes where you just kind of step back and you're like, you know what, I know something's happening here, but I'm not really exactly sure what it is.

I forgot how I did that. Yeah,

I know what I know what I thought I know what I was thinking at the time, but I'm not sure it's actually doing what I thought it was good.

Yeah, another big problem for me right now is consensus between all the nodes to make sure they all have the exact same file. Oh, yeah. So when someone has a podcast with dynamic EDS, what do you do?

Man, I never thought about that. What how do you hear the nodes

kind of get in fights? The nodes are fighting back and forth and say, No, this is the file.

Because yeah, right. And this is wrong hash this. Right. Oh, man. I got a Spanish ad the other day. Well, listen to new new media show. I'm like You racist. Just because I'm in Texas, just because I'm in Hill Country. Texas doesn't mean I speak Spanish.

Well, they'll start serving those in New York soon. Here. Right. and Russian, all kinds of Russian. Yeah.

Yeah, so I get a better algorithm going on. Every day. I'm kind of tweaking the database every morning to see which files are stuck or which No, how

does that get loop? How does it get resolved? So if if, if my node gets one gets a copy of this episode that has a dynamic ad and the note in Adams node gets one and they don't match? What like how do you resolve that? Less

than one of you guys have to be declared invalid. So right now I'm just saying, Well, Adam got it later. So Dave's must be different. So I tell you to delete yours. And then I might tell you to go get yours from Adam. Wow. And then there's the issue with the nodes and the peer accounts that you might not be able to talk to Adams node directly

on purpose of talking to mind, right away, so my node.

So these, sometimes there might be a weak node out there that gets a file, and it can't share it, you know, what's the only one with the file right now, you know, when you're first pinning. So then I've got to go in and kind of kick that node out. So he doesn't have the file, so another node can kill it. And I kind of secretly open which I haven't used your node, because you got a good note. I'm like, okay, so that one's a lot better just node. To him. Yeah, that's my

point. So Cameron, sorry, then go ahead. No, go ahead. Dave. My point was that, think about when I think about a node, it doesn't use a CDN, it doesn't use CloudFront, for example, so in our case, you have an AWS easy to instance. And when you create an instance, you have to choose the storage, like solid state drive, how much do you want, and you pay monthly for the storage, then you pay for data transfer. So let's say

Yeah, it's like, it's like buying, it's like buying a box with a with 200 gigs of RAM, and your database only uses 16 that you want to get you want to get your money's worth. Yeah.

Right. And that's where I think the algorithm would be would make the difference?

Well, I, I'm gonna check in with Void zero again, and ask him where he's at with a gateway, because I want to get that up as soon as possible. We don't have a bandwidth issue, we can certainly help with, I think pretty much everybody. Because, you know, we have very specific bandwidth uses, it's very periodic. You know, we get these huge bursts twice a week, and that's kind of it. And everything else is, is just sitting there. So we'd love to be the gateway and the one you

Well, that's a good first step, because it'd be easy just to replace IPFS data with your gateway. Yes. And then I could send you the 1% Because you're the only one using it. Eventually, I want to have just like you run a node now that you could run a gateway, so there'd be multiple gateways. Yeah,

I mean, I have five five gigabit fiber to my home that's literally sitting here. Let's fill that thing and it's, it's a synchronous, I five up and five down, you know, I'm happy to fill that pipe up. Oh, yeah. 100 bucks a month baby. Go, Texas.

So when there's multiple gateways, that's when we run into Who do you pay? You know, so. But before that before we figure that out, yeah, we could switch over to your gateway,

which is I mean, but even that, don't worry about the payment part. First, let's make sure we can get the gateway working, switch it over, then then you can start experimenting with all that stuff. And there's plenty of people who have nodes who will be happy to set up gateways if you have something baked into the code.

Right? Yeah, the payment partner. I think it'd be easy in the first hanging over to one side. I was thinking the other day, what if we offered IPFS? Did I owe a split? Would they be like, hey, maybe wait a minute, you know, they might, they might, they might change their mind.

But the problem is, they're still they're still blocked. They're blocked on? Yeah, there's just there's an issue there. Right. Sorry. Go ahead.

Oh, yes. And? Well, I was thinking, because you have to set up a gateway, if you could create. And you said that before, a way to instantiate or to spin up a gateway. As easy as with the nodes, like a Python script. Right, we would run a gateway like this. You see the point, like the moment you make it reproducible? It's very easy to spin up, maybe we would be super surprised. We would have 10 gateways.

Yeah, I agree. Right. I think there's a get a get gateway code.

Right? Yeah. Like Adam said, He's Kansas Fiber Internet at home, you could run a gateway. Yeah,

I would, I wouldn't run where it'd be a lot of

people like that.

It's like, if I could control the gateway to such an extent, if I had a couple of controls in place where I could turn it off when I needed to, so that it doesn't kill my bandwidth during a show, or limit your limit. And also, if I could say, Okay, over this time period, let's just say 30 per month, go up to this amount of usage and then stop. Like, if

Right? Yeah, I'd have to come up with a way to kind of rate the gateways to like who's who's better than the next and not to send it to a horrible gateway.

I believe and you can sort of like that.

Kind of like we've got with the nodes that you know, the peer counts is what I'm going off of. If you've got a big red large peer count then you're better node than the ones with too because they're not communicating very well.

Oops. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

How about we thank some people Dave You have a soft out

it's not hard out as a self doubt.

self doubt. Which means we have we have what do you have like five minutes 10 minutes? You got a couple minutes here.

I'm neg I'm at negative 20 minutes.

Oh, okay. All right. I'm sorry. So let's thank a few people who have been live boosting because it's been quite beautiful on the booster grams. And then we'll go through all the other people we thanks so value for value if you are new to the concept whatever you're getting out of this project out of the podcast and the back to us in time, talent or or treasure, we love the treasure we'd love the booster grams, particularly the message part which is even better than the

Oh, I saw that. No, I saw it just a minute ago. It came through when? When you played the when you played the song it came through in the IRC.

Oh, God so can I control that too? Is that something that I like it shit so undeniably lit. He says You bet. And there's Ben from rss.com with 1000 SATs and he says Netflix is a hosting platform. Yes, yeah, we can put them out of business to no problem. Get this IPFS podcasting thing working sir TJ the raffle come as in with that now he's from the dorsals and that banjo stuff at the bottom of the chart 17,777 Spotify is a scam and a part of me almost likes not

see servos at this date have an air horn but I do not have an air horn button. I don't know. I've got lots of weird stuff, but I do not. Stop it. You're making everybody crazy. We should just do a show like this. Hi, I'm Adam curry. That this is not gonna work. This is this dueling horrible things. It's not gonna happen. Oscar Oscar. Oscar marry $200 Thank you Oscar through the Pay Pal.

Yay. Okay,

much appreciated.

Was that big piece of paper roll up?

Yeah, these are these are large sheets of paper. Thank you Oscar. Really appreciate that. Nico klein $10 No note thank you, Nico. See who got Charles say a sailor is S E yle

we think is saili Sounds right.

Yeah. $10 Thank you Joe. No note there we get Travis halls since seven $7.17 He says there's a donation only station in San Francisco. So my fm.com that could possibly fit your amazing live stream radio garden app is actually how I found the in a stream thank you for all you do.

Interesting. No contact them. Let them know. Let them know we're out.

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Nice. And by the way, nice interview on the pod news weekly review with Sam and also with Ainsley Costello definitely worth listening to. Okay. Great. I listened to both of them last night in bed. It was fantastic.

In typical samsat the fashion of millions of of booths. What I say tests pod fans, various configurations. Thank you, Sam. Thank

you, Sam. Appreciate it by

Jean been a big row of ducks. 2222 says b&h would likely just replace it for you, Dave. Then they did. They did. They did. They didn't They not only replaced it. They upgraded it to expedited replacement for free.

They know who you are. They know they know what side their bread is buttered.

Anonymous podcast guru user 1200 SATs a whole bunch of times. Thank you anonymous podcast guru user. see who we got? Jean been again? 20 to 22 through cast ematic says so. Can the top 100 chart also be a playlist that I can subscribe to?

That is nice. Yeah. Nice idea. Yeah. Well, the whole idea is exportable. I saw it on lm beach.com. And I said, David, you already make an API so that Stephen could import that didn't know just scraping the HTML. The poor man's API, but it works.

It would let me find new music and keep up with what's trending maybe something related to the music playlist example at Yes, that is that is a fantastic idea that I will do this. Okay. So as soon as the chart is finished, I will make also a downloadable version of it that conforms to the list medium.

Oh, nice idea.

I like Yeah, and so then an app can just read the feed suck in all the and just suck it in as a playlist. This great idea GP. Excellent. Natty 48. Sir Brian of London. See no aces. Gravity is making me Get down. Get down, Brian. Thank you for that. Chat. F no note 3333 seed said that a couple of times. Big last. Big last. I don't know the sexual Richard 11111 There Fountas is I can't get any of Adams podcast while running my VPN? Probably the IPFS thing I would think.

Yeah, well, VPNs I mean, key word VPN. It messes every day. Correct? Yeah. Can mess kinds of stuff up. Yeah.

You don't know what you're gonna get? Joelle w 1111. Sasha Richard. Thank you. Joel for fountain note. Gene Everett roadex 2222 through fountain uses boost. Boost. Nicholas B 58. A big road dogs. 22,222 SATs. Wow. You found any niece's birthday boosts?

I'll give you a little cup Thank you,

Franco 10,000 Sastra Casta Matic No, no thank you, Franco appreciate that buddy. Sam Sethi at 503 through pod fans. Thank you, Sam. Dobby das 15,000 SATs I'm getting Dobby das on the show. not next week but the week after he's

RSS blue.

Yep, that's right cool. Devadasi found in 15,000 SAS he says after an hour of unsuccessful attempts I have finally gotten my Satoshis out of breeze and into your wallet so let's go

I know I'm supposed to have a chat with Roy today he's he's sort of resurfaced always plan late landed very late. So we're going to talk tomorrow but I need desperately need to get I need to get briefed on the value times blitz man, we've got to get this stuff upgraded.

Oh, sweet. Yeah. Billy Bones 3438 No note thank you Billy Bones and the delimiter comic strip blogger 30 3015. Through fountain he says howdy podcast index LLC team David Adam. I'd like to recommend a podcast called curry and the keeper. Oh very to what the name might suggest. It's not

Well thank you, brother and remember k TLD live down

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Because we were out so long, it's almost the entire monthly subscribers in one show. Chad Farrow $20.22. Kevin Bay $3. From the endowment. You know, the Kevin Bacon?

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Martin lindskog both gave $1 each. Thank you, Brenda, never a pot page. $25. And that's our group.

Wow, what a great group. Thank you all so much. Really, really appreciate you really appreciate that.

I feel like my paper crumble is overpowered now with this new these new preamps

actually, it's, it's okay. It's powerful. It's very powerful. It it gives you a feeling of power somehow I like it a lot. Thank you. Look, I'm

dominating the show.

Thank you all so much for supporting podcasting 2.0 podcast index. It goes directly towards running all the infrastructure. And thank you, of course, everyone who provides a time and talent as well you know who you are a lot of them in the in the chat room and a lot of listening. A lot of you are listening from around the world. We're doing amazing things. I'm very, very, I'm just I'm just so humbled by what is happening here. And special thanks to our guests, Cameron

I hope not.

What do you mean that we like it when you rattle people? That's good. That is good. It's good. Anything else? Anyone else? For the final final go round here at the table? Damn good.

Just. Yeah, just Thanks, Adam, for being the master scissor guy. When you talked about running booths here and while I was nervous to

when when Adam starts a new show, everybody gets nervous.

It somehow it all just kind of works. It's really phenomenal. Thank you all very much, Dave. Have a great weekend brother. That made you do Okay, everybody in the chat room. Cameron Oberto, thank you all very much. And tune in next week for another board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 We'll see you then.

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