Episode 143: In the SCIF

Oh, podcasting 2.0 for August 4 2023, episode 143 Well hello everybody we are back after one week hiatus. This is podcasting. 2.0 the industry spots to get your eyes poked out with scissors. Yes, we're the only boardroom that splits his time and value. All the news about podcasting index.org Of course everything about the podcast namespace and everything happening in podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in

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human intervention whatsoever. Hey, Dave, how was your vacation man?

It was fantastic. It it did nothing to calm the Luddite ism within me. It just made it so much worse.

So. So Dave's on vacation, he's texting me from the airport, he's texting me updates. He's texting. And he he's literally in the Redwoods of California sending me pictures. I'm like, Come on, man. Chill, I broke it. Take yourself some rest. And then it did kind of stop. But then you know, you sent me an article and you never really kind of got off the system. Did you?

I can't fully disconnect from the from podcasting. 2.0 I feel like there's stuff going on. I need to know I know what's going on. And, and I don't want to come back to I don't want to come back to a mailbox of you know, of, of 300 people say in a month my stuff broke in? Oh, no.

Well, I understand

that. I can't unplug fully.

Are you still using the light phone? Or have you given up on it? Well,

no, I used have was using it. But on the trip. I'm like, I gotta have access to a full mobile. Yeah, because we're getting into Maps, all that stuff.

Yeah, when we go to we're going to Europe next next Friday apps actually, for almost two weeks. And yeah, I definitely have to I definitely have to have the full mobile experience for all the stuff we'll be doing.

But I find you just switch the switch the SIM and yes.

Oh yeah, no, I use the light phone exclusively anytime. Did I tell you what happened with the car? No. Oh man. So you know so I've been using the light phone wherever I go. And we went to see Suzanne Santo which she did it before. This is when my my daughter was here to a couple of weeks back and it was in Driftwood about an hour and 15 minutes from our

shuffleboard

we were pretty much the hippest people in the room.

Oh, oh, you're on the line. This is a curse. Yes. Horrible.

So yeah, so that I certainly received it but I could not tap on it and open a browser or anything like that.

You're like, Hey, Justin, I got your I got your

link Justin. So from I decided that from now on when I'm in the car I will take the the toilet scroll or just turn it off and just put it in, you know, in the glove box. So if I happen to need it, then I can get it. And I'm pretty, pretty disciplined that way

it has made it's made my smart when I have to switch back to the fourth smartphone. I'm more disciplined now. I think, and I may end up in this. I may end up good doing that gab phone. I may give that a shot the gab phone I'm not familiar with this the gab foe you know the gap? Oh, no, the gap phone does that for kids. I think it's marketed for kids, but it's basically just a smartphone that doesn't do any apps.

Cam Yeah, it's marketed for kids. Yeah. Yeah, give that a shot. It has no internet.

Yeah. But it's got like but it's got like, you know,

it has maps and stuff. It's got it's got is

better able to handle the stuff like getting a link from from dry.

I like this because I can track you and make sure you're okay. I like this. You'll be my child.

I can track you on the gab phone. They get up. Are you going to put parental controls on? Better believe it?

I'm going to be enemies. Toilet scroll. We're applying a mastodon from the Sequoia National Forest. There you go. Enough, enough. Yeah.

I love my graphic. You know, if you couldn't use graphene OS and make it minimal, you can do that.

Let me let me tell you what did happen though. And this is this is a thing that I don't I don't understand. As soon as I got to California, so we landed in Fresno. Let's see on the 24th and we landed the American Airlines travel experience.

Yes. subpar

it is. In the toilet. It is the most horrible thing ever. I will I will do them all I will do the best I can never to fly that airline again. Yeah, but so but that's their they've got a lock on Fresno for some reason. Yeah. So we got in there to Fresno. And I'm telling you within 10 minutes of landing. I started getting spam calls from California. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. How is that possible? How do they know what carrier

are you using? Verizon. There you go. are selling you crap?

Dude, it was

dude. Yeah. That's horrible. I mean, I'm getting a slew of pig butchers these days. Yeah, you know, the hay. was great seeing the other day or, Hey, is this Debbie's number or?

The tennis coach? Yeah,

exactly. The tennis coach. Yeah.

Yeah, whatever data somebody some scammer, somewhere has access to a firehose of like, connection. Yeah. Yeah. It is. it quick.

I wonder. I mean, I wonder it could be. It could be a couple of things. It could be like a stingray someone set up at the airport, you know. So basically a man in the middle you connect and then it connects you. I mean, it could be all kinds of who knows? Maybe the airport has a deal. Maybe American Airlines did it.

That would not be you know what? That wouldn't be a surprise because you got you really, you're very prone to at least I am very prone to signing up for the flight status text messages. You know, you want to get these. Oh, your seat changed your, your boarding time.

Yeah. Are you using the American Airlines app.

I'm now using the app. I just signed up for the text message alerts whenever I get a seat change or gate change or something.

It's horrible. I use it every everything is disgusting. Everything just

is but then when you get out in the middle of, of Sequoia and amongst the

we just have no reception. None at all.

It's wonderful. It's one.

Well, the funny thing happened while you were away. Yeah. Did

you do any June do anything new? Yeah, I

did this little thing called Bucha. Grand Ball.

Oh, I hadn't heard about this. Yes. Yes. Explain. Explain it to me. This was a fantastic show.

Thank you. I'm so proud of all of us. And I have comments. Of course I have some notes on stuff that went wrong. But I am just so proud of because this was everything. This was everything. Baltic all the things we've done in the past three years. All of it in the US through the whole thing, including IPFS podcast thing which we'll talk about as well.

When I found out you were doing that's when I started texting you, I'm like you were doing FCFS You've completely lost your mind.

I figured, might as well get the biggest scissors we got and just run like crazy. Yes. Now. So I did it lit, so why not right. And actually, Steven, Steven B was so kind, he did a full on screen cast with me, you know, a couple days before. So I could really understand how to use this how to use the Split kit, because I was very confused about it. And really, it's interesting. It's one of those things. And that's

you sound it. Let me Can I give you an my initial feedback on

a Yelp review? The four out of five stars

Oh, four out of five. I'll take it. Thank you.

So I listened to about half of the show before we had to go. So and then I went back and I listened to the whole thing on after it was posted on the face about half of the live show. How were

you listening? We're listening on on air pods or earbuds or what are you listening on?

air pods? Yeah. Okay. On the air air pods on through. So I was listening. Okay. air pods through the link that you sent for the lightning? Like they had the page on it that? Yeah, I don't know what this thing is the split the split kid page. Yes. Oh, yeah. So I was listening on Safari on the split kit page through air pods. Good. That's

a very that's a very decent way to do it. I prefer the app of course, but that certainly works.

So there's okay, this review is going to be split into two different parts.

I'm screwed. Bruno Bruno, what did you think of his dance?

The the, you know, like you have an Amazon review where they're supposed to be reviewing the product. Yeah, all they do is bitch about the shipping. Okay, so I for this is there's going to be a two part two part. Yes. Okay. There's gonna be the delivery of the show and the show itself. So the delivery of the show through Safari through the split kit page. That that failed frequently. Interim, but what was in the way that it always failed was it would win if I had

because it would go to the background then it stops.

Yes, yeah. Okay. And then when you try to get back in it, it loses its mind so you have to refresh the page. Which is in Yes, set you back to zero. You have to log back into lb it's a it's a 30 to 45 second process you

didn't have any of the of the of these modern apps we've worked so hard on loaded on your phone.

I don't know what what are these things? I don't know what's, what's your speaker? Through that, and because I thought okay, I want to see the album art changed with the WebSocket and all this. I want, I want that. And I'm thinking those are my only two options for that. Or the lightning persuaded me this split kit page or curio caster. So this was

live you were listening live. Yes, yes. Oh, okay. Oh, cool

in the Airbnb at at Sequoia. So I'm like my only two options here are the split kit pay HTML page, or a curio cast are both are web based. So unlike Well, that's probably about is roughly equivalent about the same either way. And they're both Steven B products. So Mike is probably going to be about the same code under the under the hood. So I'm like, Okay, well, I'll just do the split kit page. And I think Safari just asked the whole thing up. I just don't think it's a stable platform.

I agree. I agree. Okay, so

that's the shipping review. The product review is, like I said, four out of five stars. And I think the only the only it's not really it's not really a danger. It's just that you were I could tell that you had so much going on. You were distracted.

Really? Yes. Yeah. Well, yes. Big Because the word things not happening, right? I was trying to, you know, whenever I start a song, I'd have to simultaneously click the value block for that song. And there were other things. Okay, just what? Okay.

Thank you for that resume.

Thank you. Thank you for that review. So the first thing I did wrong is in Split kit, I did not have the box checked, that says, automatically broadcast default podcast when active block ends. And so I'm looking, I'm looking, I'm like, Oh, hold on a second. It's still showing the song and it should be stopped by now. So that was the first thing. And then there was just a lot going on. Once the songs were playing. I'm okay. In fact, I even did something very cool. And very DJ

Let me let me be let me be clear, I could tell some, I could tell something within the first 20 or so minutes of the show, I could tell that you were trying to I'm not gonna say nervous. It wasn't nervousness. It was more like I could tell that you were just like, you couldn't focus fully on what you own the things you were trying to say. Because you were getting so many buttons at the

same time. You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. But about about 20 to

30 minutes into the show. Like, it felt like all that went away.

Yeah. Okay, that's fair. Settle there. Yeah, fair, totally fair.

And then at that point, it was like, it was just, it was just a smooth, I felt like I was back in daily source code. It was, well, it was awesome.

So the first thing, I mean, there's a lot I can talk about, but I'm so pleased with this songs, I was able to find the sourcing of the material was actually quite easy, because we had already played a number of these songs on on this podcast. So I already had an idea of there's some really kick ass songs. And then I was trying to do a real Friday, you know, like, kick ass feel to it, I think kick ass a lot, but I meant it was all of that went relatively well. And you know, I

And you kind of liked that, though, you know, I love that. Oh, yeah, I

love it. I love it. Um, so once we were done, this is where it problems started. So I specifically wanted to have chapters as well as I want the chapters timed, and there is a a JSON chapter output on split kit, which, you know, so these are just all the bugs we're finding right. So if you played if you had something in the order on split kid, it's out of order, like that request song was all the way at the end, but

with the End Time specifically yeah

I I don't know if I tested that on curio caster, but no one had the end times as far as I can tell, here's

what I was hearing about, here's what I would expect to happen in this may not be clear from the spec, I don't know, I would expect that whenever the chapter art, when if there's an end of time in the chapter section, that at the when the when the end, he gets hit, and there's no next chapter this this starting that the original show arcs, it just flows back to this main album on exactly

what I expected. Okay, that did not happen. The second thing was real breakage. Because I set up the booster gram ball, and the booster gram ball has a show value block just for the entire show. And when I saw I just added the through split kid I imported the value time splits. It didn't work on any app, every single app required there to be a value block in it in order for the value time splits to work, which I also don't think is spec.

That makes sense. Yes. Okay. You're you're saying that you're saying that that the the lack of a feed level value block?

No, I had the feed level block, but I didn't have the item level block. And we've only tested it with item level blocks on this show. We've never tested it with no item level block, just pure value time split block.

Okay, this is similar to the issue that a lot of apps had at the beginning, when we started doing the live item tag where there was yes, when you have a feed that has episodes, and then you add a live item, when you have feed that has items, then you add a live item, everything worked fine. But if you had a feed where there was nothing in it literally nothing, and you only had a live item, it freaked everything out. And yes,

that's exactly what happened. So this, so my feed did not have value recipients at the item level block. But it only had the value time split, then not a single app understood it. And now imagine, I'm done. I'm testing it on apps I'm not seeing I'm seeing 100% of the booths go to the show level block. Nothing to the artists like this is this is bad. Because this is the premiere show and the artists aren't getting anything. And I have a dinner in Dripping Springs in an

Okay, so So you, you, you threw in an item level value block and everything just magically? It started.

Yeah, I mean, it was probably a combo of two different things. Steven also said some other stuff. And he was fixing the chapter issue. So that because I think was also the one I played out of order wasn't working. It somehow somehow it mattered, the that I'm not saying this right, even though the time was correct. In the value time split for the song I played at that was placed in the value times but block at the end. Some apps I think didn't pick it up. And also and

There were so we're just in the spec is only the remote. The remote feed Gu ID and the remote item Gu ID is the only two things that come through, right.

But but from from that they could parse it and say okay, this is a boost for booster gram ball, the broadcast,

but really pad would have to do that. Oh, Haley pad has to do that. Okay. Yes, yeah, because all you're getting the only thing they can send unless they just encode it textually in the in the boost somehow is, is just the feed guid in the in the item do it. So on the receiver end, we would have to do a look up and get what what that was. Okay.

So I found a bug on pod verse in this process, pod verse was actually sending it reverse. So I'd get the get the full amount first on helipad. And then in parentheses, the the percentage that I actually got, and Mitch jumped on that right away. And you fix that.

Okay, cool.

Cast ematic. I saw cast ematic Franco was testing something and he's only sending total sets TLB he's not sending the the percentage received. Franco.

So he's not he's not sending the he's sending the original amount, not the not the actual or the other way around.

Now he's not he's not sending the actual he's sending the total amount.

Okay, so you're not seeing an accurate representation of what you got versus

Correct. Correct. Correct. So,

which I need to tell I want to talk about cast thematic in a bit.

Yeah. Well, I know because you're, you're you're building some kind of Shemaiah here. So let me see what else I had on my my notes here. Other than that, I think it was, I think that was those were the bugs. I mean, this is very small stuff comparatively speaking. And, and I have to say that so this this thing hit big. I mean, I got calls from the Netherlands people, you know, radio people saying what's going on? want to interview you? Nice. Sam Sethi called. He says, Yeah, I

heard your interview. Yeah, it was good. Was the audio

doing weird stuff on your?

It was very Kuti. Yeah.

Yeah. It's not like there's some kind of encoding issue they might have had on this particular episode.

I agree. Yeah. Well, it

wasn't just my interview. It was it was in it was throughout the whole show. I was hearing it.

James said he was trying to edit you down to 20 minutes of cream.

Honestly, I think he did a pretty good job at it. Because he got mostly got the most important stuff in there. And for me, the most important again, is this is everybody this is every every single person who has worked on this project from the beginning. All these pieces came together. And you know, it's it's a shining moment for all of us and then to see and this is the thing that that I love the most to see James jump in and immediately do his own music show. Just made the I was

Oh, well, that's, that's what you want. That's, that's really what you want. And

then to top it all off. IPFS podcasting worked. It works. And not just a little bit

perhaps the most solid part of the hoax. Yes. I mean,

I screwed something up. Because as we were, you know, me, it's like, I'm so frustrated trying to get the why is it not working? Why am I so I did a good change. Yeah, that's always smart. So if you got episode one twice, that's what it is. And but so, and then, of course, cameras like, Hey, what's going on? Did you do a good change? I'm sorry. But but that was that. And the splits. I've just got to explain this

yeah, Alberto is a big IPFS Yeah, he he loves it. Um, so

you know, he he's he's pinning everything, which is incredibly important. And the thing that was always the dream, you know, the web three dream, web tois has always been that you would be compensated for your participation in hosting some media files. Yeah, that was the file that's what file coin was and file coin was a shit coin. And it was just an you know, the guys who owned all the coins, were always trying to get up in our knickers. Hey, do you like that? You still so

You do it just feels good.

So I got my notes set up last night. Of course Paul piled it onto the same box that I'm podcasting and also is the Umbro doors.

Yes. Does. Yes.

So the is I got to sit up. I'm currently I currently have eight to 864 peers. And I'm hosting about 200 Meg's of of episodes nice. I have not received I've not received any, any of the warm greetings that you've had. Have you just talked about having? So I haven't gotten any payments yet.

You have? Well, and you just got it up set up today or yesterday?

Last night, okay, yeah. I have only only got a couple of episodes today. So I mean, this is real.

Right? I'm hosting pod news as well. And I've gotten payments from pod news. So I

went in and I did a don't tell me if I did it. Right. I went in and, like favorited shows that I wanted to be a part of, of hosting,

did you make it a red heart or a gold heart? I think red. Okay, that means you only start hosting stuff from that moment forward, you don't go back and index the whole catalog.

Okay, so if it's gold, it does the whole thing. Yeah. Oh, I need I need to gold it up, then I need to switch month. Yeah, as long

as you have disk space, that's no problem. And you know what this what I love about this is, yes, this was probably the most solid piece of the whole thing. We did it because I was completely sovereign. Basically, I output my sovereign feeds RSS feed, I put it onto my own server, added that to the index, and added it to my, to my IP fester podcasting node added to my own lightning node for for my own

Well, this some we're gonna have, we're gonna get Cameron on, as soon as you get back from vacation, and discuss this and probably have Alberto on as well. He said, he's good to go. So we're gonna have to we're gonna deep dive into this, but I think I think you're right. And also had this thought that you know, this assault. I don't know if you saw that news this week, about Amazon starting to impose this 30% fee.

Damn. Does anyone have a podcast app on Amazon?

I don't know. But I'm thinking so these these players, you can generally call these platform taxes. You know, they're they're these that you're gonna pay us for the for the privilege of being hosted on our platform? Well,

to be fair, what I heard was the way I understood it, is they say, either use our advertising infrastructure, or you pay 30% is like a cork fee. Yeah, and Amazon's advertising infrastructure is quite good. So if you're in the advertising game, and they had advertising, I can see where they might do that. Where they might do something for me, they want to

Well, that IPFS IPFS podcasting solves not only the problem you talked about, where it's like the you know, the the more of successful the show is the heart, the more it costs, it solves the platform tax issue as well. Because now now you're baked into baked into this whole thing is pay is you're paying for the plot, you're you're paying for the platform. No, it's better.

The people who are listening are paying for the platform. Yeah, it's not even the list the list. Yeah, this is the beauty. This is value for value straight up.

They're paid. They're paying for the delivery of the content. Yeah, they're

using. Exactly, exactly. Now,

I think it ended I think it doesn't end around across on all of this stuff, hosting hosting companies that are not at least looking at this You've got to

well, this is this is the best part, this is the best part. Because Alberto is in the conversation. And he says, Man, I'm really looking forward to getting paid for hosting files. Yeah, and I don't even have to I don't have to have customer service for these people.

It turns if it turns it from a cost center into a profit, yes. But let me let me I mean, you can have, you can buy a, you can buy a $10,000, HP deal 360 with about, you know, 10 terabytes of data or something like that, or let's just say 40 terabytes of data, of storage, and just host a humongous IPFS node in your in the game. Now here's,

here's the thing, though, there's, there's, I think, a downside to this that we haven't discussed. So when I started with booster grand ball, I'm getting me I'm getting a sizable amount of Satoshis. Now the more nodes that come on, the less I'm getting, which so the question is, does this remain a split equally amongst everyone who's pinning the show? Or do you balance it out? Based upon who's node actually supplied that particular download? I don't even know if you can do

Well, it's a real business from the standpoint of it take the take the money part of a way of the getting paid for the delivery. Okay. And just in just look at the just the peer to peer nature of not having to serve all of it yourself. Right. You know, that that alone is worth? I mean, because if you think, you know, I don't know how I don't know what the typical bill is for CD ends for hosting companies, but it's got to be in the 1000s of dollars a month? Oh, you know, I don't

you were you remove the big you remove the biggest problem they have.

Yeah. And I mean, like I've got, I would run us, I would run a decent sized server at Linode. For this,

I think I think this will be a very interesting free market experiment, we're going to see what happens, we're going to see so you know, what, if I switch? No, not that I'm going to because we're pretty happy with our setup. But if I switch no agenda to this? I mean, where would we wind up? I mean, would I be we start pushing a terabit per second, the minute we release, you know, so this will be very interesting to see what falls down. If we did something like that. But for 99% of all

Yeah. Just I'm thinking, well, Todd Todd just said 35,000 a month. I mean, like, there you go, you're, you're mainly what I'm saying is you as a hosting company, Todd being a baller, 35k month, man. There's a, as a hosting company, you have to look at this before the future, you know, for the future. And at least say, Okay, this is worth considering some sort of investment. I mean, let it play out, let it you know, let it play out for the next few months and see no stability and

it. So I'm so excited about this, because we can also start to create, um, there's just a lot that can be created out of this. Now the main thing we need is we need write ups, we need people to be writing up how it works. I mean, I've been sending people to music side project.com, there's the there's a pretty decent tutorial video that shows how to do it with a with a with the pod press plugin. wavelength.com is probably still the easiest at this point. But you don't get

Why did it make him findable to be music?

Under? Under fountain? Fountain?

Oh, because fountain segregates that separate tan? Yep. Oh, yeah. Okay.

And I also think is just incorrect. I mean, if it's a I think all of even playlists should be should not be music, music should be music.

Yes, it should be pure. Yeah.

So I actually reset in the index to make sure that that got reindex because he had made the change in his feed, but it wasn't going all the way through a couple of ideas. If you are in an app and view I want to boost the song, it'd be great if the boost button reflects that. You know, maybe, you know, maybe we need to think about boost the show or boost. And then title of the song, just so people have a visual cue there as to what they're doing. That makes no sense. I don't

Oh, like it's calling out the where the where the

dynamic change the dynamic change, just as a thought. I mean, anyway, everyone's interface is different. There was one just an

After Effects after the fact like fade out pop up. This says, you know, a boost sent to Sarah, Jake, Bob,

something like that. Yeah. I don't know about after the fact. It would be nice for people to have a visual cue right there. Like when you hit this boost is going to this artist. I mean, it was wonderful to watch Tina, because she was listening to the show. And the song ended. In the end. She's like, Well, I really liked that song. And I said at that moment on the show, I said, Hey, if you'd like a song can always rewind and go back. And she actually did it. I saw her do

well, you know that so I like seeing what we're seeing with the different apps trying different interface styles like fountain asker put a lot of thought into that into that interface. It absolutely would. So you can go into too. As you're listening to the show. You can go in and look and it will show you all the referenced song songs in Yes, yeah. And you can boost them individually. So I like that a lot. I like that.

of stuff. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

I mean, I mean, so if you got something else to go, go ahead, but I want to talk about cast Matic.

Now let's talk about casting Matic.

Yeah. So like that, that sort of plays into the thing with with cast, Matt. And this is going to apply to any app that doesn't have a server back end. So that would be antenna pod. So they, those apps have unique constraints, but in a in a sense. So I love these types of apps, podcast apps. In a sense, they're the most pure,

let's just let's set the stage here. Again, we, we you, we've always said, Whatever we do, it has to work for everybody. We can't just work for a couple of apps, if there's a serverless app that has all our stuff has to work for that as well. So that's the that's the driving factor behind this specific conversation.

Yes. Yeah, in in, there's a sense in which they're the the serverless apps, you could think of like if you want to go old school things like dog catcher in an apple podcasts at one time was, in a sense, they connected to a directory, but they didn't that's about it. So the serverless apps are really some of the like, they're they're pure podcast apps there are. So they have built in RSS aggregation. And they just do everything on device. And there's so many benefits to

which is basically what the split kid does.

Okay, so that that's, that would be one way but you then you lose the ability to track over time later on. Let's just say you post that episode and six months a year, two years from now. Ainsley Costello changes her value block to reference a different wallet.

Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. Yes. The Gotcha. Yes. This is where the this is where the GUID ID the GUID comes in.

Right. And this is this is confusing, because this is the part of the confusing nature of what value time split does in this this.

And let me throw something in there for you. Because there's a huge bit of confusion just so you can address this and then I'll be quiet. Sure, there's a lot of confusion between the value time split and chapters. There's a lot of people thinking well, so it's tied to the chapters because what they're seeing is album art rotating as part of the chapters, while the value block switches. It's two independent things. Right, but just adjusting I mean, I think Sam Sethi was also confused about it.

The reason will to divert for a second the reason that we talked early on in Chapter seemed like a natural place to do these value time splits. But there's an ideological thing here where you want you don't want a major feature You're dependent on another major, major feature. Yeah, right, these things and I thought Sam Sethi made this

Right? Well, they will be pushed off the cliff, but okay.

Yes. So like, maybe here's a, here's an example. Maybe they don't feel a need to support chapters, because they target devices that don't have interfaces. Maybe it's an iPod Shuffle. Okay, there's no, there's no benefit. They see two chapters, right. But they still want to list these, they still want to be able to switch remote wallets. So there's, there's a reason you don't want to force that. So anyway, that we've we've just established that. So that this decision was made to

right? And so the live lookup is the issue.

Right? So the live look. Like I said before, you could make it where the post production tool, extracts it all at, at at at production time and create static items, that's less than ideal because you don't track these things changes over time. But then the burden of a remote item reference is that things like antenna pod and cast Matic have to do live lookups and potentially, the deck. That's a ton of traffic.

And a lot of a lot of things that can go wrong.

Yeah, because they have to pull the whole feed down and parse this in parse it.

Yeah, in real time, while someone's waiting for the show to play.

Yeah, they would have to be sort of like reading ahead for or doing it, or looking just the same way they do chapters, right, grab a copy of the file is sort of like whenever you hit play, and recheck everything and see. So really, I see that as a burden on us with API to provide more efficient, look up tools to make this easier on those sorts of

Right. But it's unlike the value block. It's not a shim, because it has to exist in the feed initially, in order for it to be stored in the index.

Yeah, it's the same is the same thing is if it's in the feed, it's the feed, if it's in the feed, the feed is the source of truth. If it's not in the feed, because it's been shimmed, with, you know, with the partner APR the podcaster wallet, then then that's that was the podcasters choice. And we're honoring that too. So that, but if you some thinking, Okay, well, when you call, it should be as easy as loading a chapters file. Right? So and that means we would do all the

just cleaned it up. Let me see. sounds it sounds better to I can

tell you real into what I'm saying here, as you're cleaning

nose is actually with my eyes closed in a zen mode, just just using the corner of my shirt to clean the bell while I was listening and visualizing the database. GitHub.

You polish in your dome? Yes, I, there it is.

I make the jokes around here.

It is called. It is in the podcast index. Org database repo. And the file is called PC API underscore schema dot SQL. So and that's just a, that's just the table structure. As you can see, there's a there's a news feeds table, which is podcast, the podcasts. And there's an episodes table, which is called NF items. So there's just for, for people who aren't database people, there's this notion within databases of what's called a foreign a foreign key. Or you could call

It's how I've always done it. Yes, it is. It is. All your databases are relational. You bet. So

when you're thinking of through this, this is this is a complex set of tags. We know that we all know this. Where do we know that value, time split and remote item IDs? These are these are not easy tags to model know. So there is a table in our database called NF Gu IDs. In the NF Gu IDs table is simple. It's just a Gu ID column and a feed ID. Right. So the podcast ID is there. And it says, Okay, this podcast ID is this Gu ID. And there's a foreign key that relates back to the podcast

What sort of bemrose is foreign key is antiquated. They're now known as migrant keys. Thank you, I needed that bemrose.

Okay, you got me bemrose. That was good. Yes. Thank you for making this not boring. So you could you could do it that way. So would you say alright, should there be a foreign key constraint on the goods table? For the remote item? Is that the right place to link it? That would mean the good? No, I mean, the good is has to exist. You can't link right if you can't leave something blank. So that's not good. Because some fields don't have a good before they need to

Sounds like you really don't know what you're doing. Well, I mean, you haven't made a choice yet. Let's put it that way.

Putting the blame out wrong. Hold on

on lease offering it for you, you know

what's really hot? Open Source. Send your pull request now.

Old school you had dug deep in the back? I did. I got ISOs by the way, so far it will go Okay.

I see what you got here. Okay, yeah.

So anyway, that I'm going to be honest to say that I'm not sure exactly what structure this is going to take. I think there's going to be trade offs. But I'm committed to get something working. Of course, for for this, because because they need to these apps need to be first class citizens in podcasting. 2.0 it is it's not fair to leave any of these apps where they can't do these things. Part of that, but part of that is going to be a good resolver. And brands already

that's what we're looking forward. Wow. Okay, big big changes here at the index long way to get sorry for that. No, no, no, I'll tell you what, why don't we take a breather one play song and I'll play song I'd love to Yeah, okay I'm going to switch the block right now as we're going it Sam means listen to Kalina

Leo fan

it's just a matter of pee live television season Kareena? Go back to two see way so much easier than sit in any way you want to go.

Kalina. What a great tune isn't that I love Sam means his games got chops? Yeah, he's got he's got a whole album out. I think maybe even more than one album. And of course, if you're listening on a modern podcast app, your Satoshis were switched to his wallet. And if you boosted during that song that went to him as well, thank you for supporting value for value music.

It's like that you're still playing songs on our show. That's Oh, yeah.

Well, we also me people still need stuff to test with. I mean, I'm, I'm going to drop another booster gram ball tomorrow. Oh, yeah, I'm trying to do like Saturday. I mean, I need it has to be a day that I'm not already doing a podcast.

As you're getting harder to find. Yeah, but

you know, I had some fun this morning. It's I'm trying to make Friday kind of my Sabbath. I'm not doing I'm not doing any Gitmo nation stuff. You know, I'll skim through the emails. Everything that looks no agenda related. I'll just leave that for for Saturday when I do show prep. So

today's your Sabbath. It's like we're it's like we're in church together.

I know. Yeah. We are in church because this is not work. The drill Yeah. Yeah cathedral thank you the podcast YouTube for don't get the draw because this is all fun and I picked out a number of songs I think I might have heard that one on James's show not I think about it you know just and I'm running through Ellen beats and running through wave lake and then look at through email people suggesting songs and people sending in stuff and the show it's Yeah, but of course we

So you're gonna be live on set? Yeah, I'm

gonna drop it live drop it live job. Yeah, I think around 1230 Probably. That's just a little side note about all this stuff. This could not have come at a better time. When I think I mentioned that on the on the ball. When this Vanity Fair article come out and this Susanna, I think her name is she was on. On the pod pod news weekly review. No rubbish.

Yes, she's an ISO canon. All of my assets are from her. She's no, she's amazing. And amazingly clear and concise, in like, pungent voice. It's Yeah, I kind of feel like that too.

pungent, pungent voice a good way of describing it. And, and for me, it's like we just opened up a whole new category of podcast. And I think it's golden days now for podcasting. This is the moment to get into this is the moment to start music shows like this, the ultimate discovery is to have you know, someone you listen to who's who picks songs. You may not like them all. But hey, we've made a fast forward button. We got chapters, all these all these handy little

quote her but I mean, it sounded like it was like a 3x time. Yes.

Yeah, it was 100 More than $100 value for value, versus $36 on 60 other platforms. And she, I mean, it's astounding, and I think it's just gonna keep on going. Because people just love supporting music and the value for value is exactly is exactly the way you want to go. Because you'll be surprised how many people will send you more than you thought you ever deserved. Now the second thing, and this is sad. This is almost like the Pay Pal pocalypse Patreon had a

This is the Pay Pal pocalypse all over again. Yeah, except this was not intention. People just don't come back.

No Oh, absolutely. Oh man. It hurt no agenda real big. People just went screw PayPal and they just stopped you know, then they stopped and probably not even thinking that they had monthlies or, you know, some kind of ongoing sustaining donation payment going through it. Oh, yeah, that costs us quite a bit. But understandable. So value for value. Man you I mean, now we have to take note that not if but when lb goes down because it'll happen. Oh, yeah, it'll happen. There's

But you, but the thing about that, though, is that nobody's subscriptions are affected by that, because there are no subscriptions. No, no, I know. All of this stuff is just it's purely voluntary is it's it's manual, the booster, the booster grams are manual. The streaming sets are automatic. You might you would have a temporary ID. Let's just say the lb pocalypse happens. And now b goes down for you know, adolescence, say two days. You then then it comes back up. And

it's the inverse. You're so right. I had another thought. You know, there's still been this. No, because of course, I pop back on nostre, which might Nasir usage has gone down by 95%. I don't know. This is just not that interesting, I guess. But I hopped on to promote the boost ball booster Grand Ball figuring people would be interested. And that, you know, I think there was definitely some interest but in

oh, he actually responded to you. He Yeah, he is like I don't exist.

Oh, and he said quite adamantly, oh, they're coming for podcasts and two point I don't sure where they're coming. They're coming, which they haven't. But I was thinking it's so different. What we're doing it is just because it's Satoshis. It's completely different. Because this is not a quick quid pro quo, where you you make a post, you get zapped, or people say if you post this, I'll zap you. Right? That's, that's not really this mechanism. Our mechanism is also

Is that the one that said like company companies or people?

No, I don't think that. Citizens United conservative nonprofit group called says United challenge campaign finance rules after the FEC. Thus the federal action committee stopped it from promoting an airing of film criticizing presidential candidate Hillary Clinton too close to the presidential primaries. five to four majority of the Supreme Court size sided with Citizens United ruling that corporations and other outside groups can spend unlimited money on elections because it's speech.

Yeah, that's the one I'm talking about. Yeah, it's they determined they determined that corporations have unlimited donation capacity to

create money, they speak with money money, they hedge their

because they're for the for the purposes of yeah, they are they basically function as People they are persons yeah in it they have space just like a person then

they've and they have speech through campaign finance but ours are so clear because we are literally using Satoshis as speech Shall we thank a few people while we're at it while we're let's see what they had to say. Oh yeah sure. Or do you want to do you want to do another topic first?

No, no go ahead. Because this will come back I guess more stuff.

Okay, because we got a lot a lot that came in while we were just this shy everyone's happy to see us back.

Yeah, that's true.

50,000 from Dred Scott boosting Kalina by Sam means nice to beautiful so that went to Sam and he did it from curio caster Dave Jones 800 That must have been to Sam clean as well. I presume unless it was an imposter.

well ahead of my lb wallet I feel like a cheapskate

Wait What happened to your lb wallet man?

No, it's dry.

No more powder 7777 from Mike Newman striper to boost value times with boosted groovy kuleana on a Friday afternoon. That's right hard fat 3333 We got sir TJ the raffle 9999 And he says boosting is loving let me see I have that somewhere. Boosting is loving There you go. Thanks all involved in the making of podcast 2.0k TLD keep the lid down

that's right. I forgot about that. Yeah, I think we actually in church especially here in church.

Yeah, we yes in church is down. 2121 from McIntosh Oh, you had to 2120 ones Dave I looked at the schema. What's the name of the super busy table thought it was an episode but I don't see it. And then he says you literally answered the question. Go podcasting. Boom 808 for Mr. Robot sending some Bob's over here for testing my man boobs but I don't know running with scissors. 9999 for Mr. Robot, the boys are back in town between podcasting. 2.0 and the

I don't think it can scale.

Unlimited. I mean, technically.

It's like lightning in that in that regard. Yeah. I mean, there's not there's not really an upper limit. As long as the nodes are there. It's because it's shared bandwidth. It's, it's shared like it's now shared is not the

right word. Distributed.

I am unsatisfied with all these terms that I'm trying to use. I have

a five gigabit fiber connection. And so it'll it'll come down to machine performance and drive performance I guess before before I saturate that 17,776 From blueberry can't speak highly enough of the split kit the split kit.com We can drop new art on the fly build new chapters for the topic at hand play bootable music all it will. It's fantastic. Thank you, Steven B for allowing me to feel like I'm back out on tour running shows. No, that's right.

I didn't know bourbon. Or is it okay to have blueberry here in the sanctuary? That's a little.

Here's Cameron with 55,555 Who knew value for value was all it took to make self hosting slash crowd hosting possible. There it is. Magic Cameron, you created magic brother, Chad F 3650. This is how many sets I made for my IPFS node. Wow. That's your bed. A buck. Sweet. Love that. Sir. Brian have London PhD. 41,948. Israeli boost. I have to talk to Dave next week about IPFS. Meantime, I'm Mark saved from exploding lithium batteries on a boat and back to Israel. We're

That's great guy. We had lunch one day. He is a

great great guy. 10,000 SATs from see Brooklyn 112 I liked this stuff. Go podcasting. Then we have Mike Newman. Whoa, Mike Newman gets a big ass baller boost. 202 111,120 is Blaze. Only him Paula. Great having the band back together. That's it. That's the moose go podcasting. Man. Thank you. Wow, that's it. That's the boost. That's the boost right there was 12,121 from dreads Dred Scott pew pew.

Don't know about that.

And let's see. And then the last pre show booth 17,776 from blueberry the elites don't want you to know. But the goats in the green room are dead. You can massacre them as we have 761 Dead goats. Okay, yeah, you're right, blueberry. I don't know if we can have min sanctuary's you're not allowed if you want to thank some other people that we had come in, or what do you want to do? I would love

to Yeah, we can. Let's do a full let's do it. Yeah, the boys from Buzzsprout BSB $500.

Oh, man. Thank you so much. Play on I am Paula highly appreciated. The boys from butterscotch proud. Thank you.

They gotta be cooking up something they've been 2.0 silent for. I didn't too long.

I did an interview with for the Buzzsprout podcast.

Oh, Alban. With Alban? Yeah, yeah, how'd that go? I haven't listened to that episode yet.

It's actually one of those interviews where he got a lot out of me that I haven't told before on shows just different stories. That's kind of hard to do. I mean, I know Tina is like, so you tell all your stories again, to know these were some new stories. Funny enough? Yeah. I like he's a nice guy. sweet guy. Yeah, a lot. A lot. It was all about podcasting. So if you're interested in that.

Yeah. So bottom up podcast from being out of town. Yeah, thanks. Thanks. Jesse Anderson $33. Thank you, Jesse. Very nice. That's a one time around the pay pals. And we got Brendan at pod page. Ah, $25 a month subscription, which really helps. Thank You page.

Thank you, Brendan. Yep. So I just funny story, I had Korean the keeper running over on pod page, which actually cleaned up nicely. And then because it's so easy, you just have to have an RSS feed and you create a website, you can connect your your domain name to it. And so I did that for booster Graham ball. And you have to when you want to connect to a domain name, it's like there's an extra fee because of

Yeah, it was nice to see it's nicely cut. I mean, it was oh my gosh, six or seven eight tags. I'm like that not not a bad quite a few. Yeah, routing. Yeah. See, we've got Oh, we got some boosts we got 1001 set from absurd. Audient Thank you. There's gonna be a bunch of booths here. No notes. Thank you. I am robot 3333. A little pre show booth for the board meeting. Get 22 to 22 big road ducks from Eric BP through the booths CLI. Thank you to old school 20 To 22 from the

Just give some ducks for these people.

22 to 22 a big row of ducks from Uber he says speaking speaking of chapters based off the testing I did over the weekend you can take one sick one second just as stack them one he's

he's doing animation kind of like a cinema Tron. So we do a chapter image a new chapter every one second and then it animates. Nice he's having too much fun with a split kit is my is my idea.

Okay, I think I think we've met a read that one on the last show. Actually. We might have Yeah, on the oh, here we go. Oh Nitin. Edie 10,000 says he says cuz it's Friday you ain't got no job and you ain't got shit to do. Doesn't says they can? That's awesome man. Yeah sir TJ the raffle 9999 says they bought versus so excited for value for value music it's all about the value not the money.

That's right sir. It's just feeling the value.

Oh he says so here Sir Alex gates, the podcasting 2.0 consultant he says 12,000 SATs and he says already considering adding PGP keys to feeds for pod bean verification.

Sexy

Can I email you can I email the pod ping the encrypted

you can send email yeah pipe things by email that's a great idea. 17 717 776 from blueberry to fountain he says Adam I was wanting to hook up boost bot to a shot caller that we you already read we we did. I'm trying to find the cut off point here and let's see cuz it was the time zones got messed up. See 2222 from calm McCormick's is cherry on top gives me Avril Levine vibes. Total hit boosting is loving. Interesting. Welcome, Steve.

I think I think we I think we played that one too. Yeah, thanks. So

this is like 7:45pm Oh, maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. Steve Wilkinson. Great song go podcasting. 2.0 music 2.0 Yes. Podcast. 41st 67 says thank you. Steve Wilkinson, John's BRT, 25,000 SATs through fountain no note 50,000 SATs from Khalil, nice to fountain he says love the response to the

sounds right to me.

And many of these shows are only available on YouTube. It's understandable to an extent because how would they know but also infuriating because YouTube is pushing this on purpose? Because it's more shows for them for cheap.

Yeah, but it's not working. No one's having any success with that. It's just not and now tick tock is doing something tick tock. You don't stop.

Yeah, and that'll it least that's RSS based. So yeah,

it's a promotional tool. I guess that would work. Yeah, yeah.

Mere Mortals podcast. 2222. Our buddy Karen found through found nappy says Adam, just FYI. Joshua Dennis has an IPFS podcast called podcasting for value. He's on the PI Mastodon, I believe. I remember he was having to troubleshoot a lot. So I have some useful info if you walk into some scissors.

Yeah, I remember looking at it, but I don't think it has I don't know where to look at it again.

Kevin Bay 10,000 says great rock pop tune as a 20 to 22 from Gene Everett says boost

Yeah, we got to boost right here. Boost.

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Yeah, baby V from V.

Becker vice Chad back again. 10,000 Saasu found he says absolutely incredible. V four v needs a lot more quality music like this. I don't know what song that was. Yet. Yeah, this is the problem. We're getting there. Down there. Of course. Jeff 10,000 sets the pod verse he says Welcome to pay for value Ainsley.

I think she had a good experience. is

clearly Jean being 2222 Row ducks these cast Maddix is bring on booster Graham ball. Well it was brought yes it was Jean beans another 10,000 says I love the value music. We all do. Gene we all love it man. And he gives another 10,000 It says enjoying the song and glad to see more people taking a chance on value for value. Boost Captain egghead 18 110 SATs through pod versus this time splitting boosting with POD verse F droid 4.13

Yeah, baby F droid stream

Halleck 1000 SATs the founder says never apologize for the downer talk Dave. It really resonated with me. Okay. I feel like I go on and on sometimes and I get boring.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no not not at all.

My only problem with pivot is I want more pivot. Yes, that's, that's everybody's problem. Nomad Joe 1000 SATs through. Fountain he says antiwar.com Megan. Thank you. Oh, Ron Plouffe? The the app for mentioned on the previous show. That's right. Creator of the stats pages. 50,000 SATs. Oh, nice, man. Thank you. The family says not related to David Plouffe.

We're sorry about that. I'm so sorry.

Not related to David Plouffe but glad to be the podcast and people know stats guy

yeah, yes. That's guy. Give

Dave Ronnie's a t shirt. People know stats guy. Yes. Jean been 4096 to 4k killer boost to gas man. He says I'm a big fan of log SEC blog seek also Dave. They also have an open collective based paid tier that enables thinking too hard to look back at that and then Jean being 2222 says PGP is great but not for the non techies average people will not be interested in dealing with it. Well, I think that that could be obscured right?

I mean, say

again you PGP putting that in the in the feed for the authentication stuff? Yeah. I think that could be a string Nomad Joe 1000 SATs he's just a sweet thumbs up. bombshell. Just listening five devices want to look at splits it hasn't changed in the fountain nap. A we're getting there man. Okay, we're getting there. We are. Mere Mortals podcast 2222 says along the lines of Dave's reading. Another decent book I'd recommend is amusing ourselves to death. Of

double baller What is this? What is going on or booze? What is going on?

While my intergalactic boombox podcast is on hiatus, I wonder what conspiracy would my resident conspiracy theorist would say? I wanted to boost my support to this show and express my excitement for booster Graham ball as submitted some vo stingers and look forward to hearing some more awesome tunes through podcasting 2.0 Kyle a bear

he did let me see I had the ground where do you put what do you what he gave me? He gave me some really cool ones. Of course I'm falling down on the job now trying to give me it was funny because he sent me he said hey, I got some stingers for you. So he sent me the Stingers as all booster Graham corner. I'm like, hey man, I really appreciate it. But you know that's kind of James's thing is like and he said Oh no,

Booster gram ball Hey guys got

pipes. And then this one this one oh stone stone screws to grab ball. Yeah, I love that. Great stuff, man. Thank you love it.

That's killer. See, oh, I hope you didn't pay him for those because that means he would be a scab. He would be violating the Oh,

no, no, no can't do that. No, never never. I never pay for anything keep us safe knowing pay for gas.

Anonymous 13,000 says the gas medics is loved. I loved Dave's talk about AGI but I think the discovery of Bitcoin is demonstrated that a small amount of code arranged right can still discover world changing technologies.

Absolutely. Absolutely.

The podcaster says great morning track 500 says thank you podcaster. See baba, baba BombBomb and 10,000 SATs says from a Chris You know, I know him but yeah, we all know Chris. The pod versus is awesome. Hope to hear more. Thanks. Thank you. Welcome 5151 from River City mystery through fountain he says go podcasting alien face.

Alien face.

More log 11 711 through pod verse no notes. Thank you Borlaug. 1000 from our Davis at seven to boosting for a day with Dave Jones. Thank you for your courage,

which includes lunch and a massage.

Yes, yes. Massage, not by me.

1 million Satoshis lunch and a zoom lunch and a massage.

You need to bump that number of Cochran 100,000 sets.

Todd, thank you, brother.

Do the found nappy says hey, gents just finished up attending a pretty comprehensive artificial intelligence conference. Don't worry, the world's not ending. The marketing folks are worried about their jobs. Go podcasting. You guys heard

about an hour of the new media show was about that about?

I listened to Yeah. Yeah. That was it was good. It was informative. It

was very informative. Yes, it was. And to me, it's just, this is all bull crap. Who cares? It's like, I don't see any value in. I mean, yeah, as a tool for some things. But no,

my favorite is see, I go back to this mental model I have where so So Todd said that he wrote a blog post by giving it say, Okay, here's, like, one of the chat GPT like, like system SeeSnake you know, here's, here's, here's a fact here's a fact here's a fact these are the points I want to make now write a blog post and then he went and cleaned it up

That's right. It's so true.

Scott is Cora give us the Van Halen boost 5150 through fountain he says great voice run and catchy. Thank you. Whoo anonymous 10,000 Sastra Casta Matic no note, Franco Oh,

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this is the very first value time slip boost test from Casta Matic running blind on a wet floor with very pointy scissors

Vamsi Oh, nice. I told you he was doing it.

Okay, I'm getting there. Frank. I'm gonna make this easier for you man. Give me Give me Tom This is amazing. I'm so glad to see him working on that.

What was it what was that mind you said again running on a wet floor what

was he a runner a wet floor with very pointy scissors.

That's very cool. Yeah.

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did you hear? I read this article? The future of TV briefing how top streamers ad prices have trended in this year's upfront negotiations?

No, no. Did you send me this? I don't think you sent me this article.

I thought it did. Maybe I didn't. Okay. It says Netflix isn't the only streaming service to have lowered its ad prices during the years upfront negotiations. It's ad prices. Oh, interesting. In fact, major ad supported streamers across the board brought down their rates according to agency executives. agency executives estimated that the amount of ad dollars committed to streaming in this year is upfront,

I've heard from quite a reliable source that the streaming companies are delighted with the writer and actors strike strikes, because they Oh yeah. Oh, yeah, but could not have come at a better time for them. They're rejiggering they're using this time to figure out what's valuable in their already existing catalog and from my information. The strike could last well into the new year. Time to start a podcast people

brutal Yeah, that is brutal. That see. Net see Netflix. Last year was $55 CPM. Now they're in the low to mid 40s

Well, there's only one way there's only one way it's all going to go down I mean that's the problem with the CPM model it's like how many CPMs Do you want you know it's there's so much

let's see the motion the risk

is too much inventory is not enough being being filled up I'm sure how much inventory

yet what it says For starters, this year's upfront market overall was softer than last year is given the economic downturn as sellers were more concerned with securing an overall volume of dollars as opposed to pushing up their prices per ad. Moreover, in accordance with the law of supply and demand sellers simply have more streaming inventory to

And that's the problem with the writers than not getting you know the too many writers first of all, everyone look everybody loved it. When the streamers were flushed with cash they had all the cheap money now the cheap money's gone and oops, there's a problem there's too many writers it's probably too many actors for the amount of work that there is and and the streamers are Silicon Valley guys we know their model give us your creativity. Here's nothing.

no those those guys look ragged the ones that have to produce content yes times a day everybody

has to once you to get started over there, you have to do it. Otherwise the algo just punishes you. It's horrible. It's slavery, digital slavery.

This. So I've got this idea and we've briefly discussed this on and off, like, for a while. Okay, but I think I finally have an idea of what I'm going to do

for your show for your show.

Oh, n n n n, and this is on the API. Okay.

Are you going to do your show while I'm on vacation?

I don't know. Okay. I don't know. I feel like I need to do something. Because I mean, you're you're gonna be a vacation for three weeks.

Tina actually said, can she just sneak one in? I'm on vacation. She wants me to work. Like, you know, you should you should speak on.

sneak one in. He's just sneak one in.

That was my overall plan on vacation, baby. Trust me.

One, why don't we go? There it is. There it is.

Okay, so my idea is it here's Okay, here's the problem I'm trying to solve and hold on.

Let's let's do this. Right. Okay. Since this is a secret thing you're talking about?

Are we in a skiff?

Where the skiff Yes. Short Skiff.

Robert hours, Bobby, the k must be in here. We can't have him talking where everybody else can hear. So if here's what there's a problem I'm trying to solve. I want to get I want to have a popularity score. I don't like this word. I'm gonna say it from the beginning. This is a shitty word. Okay. I don't care about necessarily about popularity. Okay. Let me log in. Let me start over. It's not popularity that I'm one of these. Okay, these are these Rancors and branch.

I was just about to say, You mean a rancor? Yes.

I don't want a rancor. Uh, but but there is there is value in finding out what people listen to, you know, on the regular? Because, if, I mean, if 50,000 People listen, or subscribe to a podcast, I mean, it's, it's probably pretty good. I mean, it's, it's probably decent content. So, you know, versus something that's been around for 10 years and 100 people subscribe to it. Just like you, you can get you can glean some stuff from this is what I'm trying to say. Okay.

Can I Can I ask you a philosophical question? Since we love since we're in the skiff. This is a new idea. I love that by the way. Who are you creating this score? I'm just gonna call it the score for apps. Okay, that is substantially different from anything else. So I'm liking that.

Okay. And here's, here's why. It here's why it's important to me right now. Because of music. Music and here's a problem that I ran into over over the weekend. And I feel like this would have helped. So I listen. I subscribe to this podcast America this week with Matt Taibbi and Walter Kern and it's one of my favorite shows. He every week they discuss a short story. This week. They discussed the story Bartleby the Scrivener by Herman Melville. And each week when

Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. Cuz you want to hear you want to read it, quote, unquote, Here, read it. And then you want to hear the discussion?

Yeah. Yep. And it's fun. I love it. So that's, that's my typical day. So when I went to the index and searched for Bartleby, the Scrivener, it came back with a lot. A lot of results. Probably 10 or 12. I don't remember. You know, and just like any audio book thing, the narrator is done is 99% of the experience. I mean, yeah, that matters, right? Yeah. Especially when it comes to open source, like Librivox type stuff. There's a lot of bad readers. Yes. Yeah. Thank you

The situation input is the input something we get from the apps like in Yeah, event.

Yes. So that's, that's what I was wanting to do. And so the, here's the idea. Here's my initial idea that there's just an endpoint, that an app can submit just a submit a file, essentially, like a CSV file. And I will prescribe the format that this that this file takes. And it's just a list. It's just feed ID, subscriber count, feed ID subscriber count. And it could be feed ID, it could be good. It can be Feed URL, it can be hell, it can be iTunes ID, I don't care. So

No, no, go ahead. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt. I'm done. I'm done. So yes, VB VB is looking at me like dude, is two hours already I gotta pay I got Okay, so what I've the way I think this would work best because what I would hate to see is all of a sudden there's a page and someone says

Me this drop a new Cold subscribe button.

Exactly. John, do you know what I mean? is like, yeah, this would be very, very good to have a an API endpoint that returns search results by subscription count. But that you can't just go to the index and say, give me all the Most Popular The Most subscribe to podcasts.

Yes, that's okay. You, you've said that better than I did. The, because that's the one thing that we've always struggled to provide, since we don't have first party data is like the, what's the what's the goal of the index? If the index itself is to? When somebody searches for something, we want them to find it? And that's what this would do?

It Right. It makes it makes our search better. And also, and and honestly, I, I don't even want that search to work on our site to be quite, I don't want to be the place. That would, to me, that's, it's all philosophical, right? It's all about who we are. And what we do. I want apps, I want the apps who use our API, I want them to be able to return kickass results. I don't want people coming to him. I mean, it's a double edged sword, because of course, I want people to use the

For sure, yeah, that's so the idea exactly. The idea here is when if an app will give us back the subscriber counts,

then they get access to better search results, better search results.

I love that nobody else gets it. Everybody else gets better search results too. Yeah, they're just contributing to better it makes the it makes us better for them

to be better. That's that would be I think that's a great idea. Yeah, and

there will never be rancor. Yep. Let's let's get

into warm it's getting warm in here. Hold on. Cool Breeze SQF is warm business man. All right, Phoebe's gotta pee to $2.07 here on the clock it's good to have you back Dave I'm so sorry. I'm going to be gone for the next couple of weeks I think I would like to slip on in for you baby. So I will I will let you know if we can slip on in cuz they will I will have the rig with me there will be there will be production going on. But it sounds like you're going to be mando busy as

That's what I did. Just you know if you if you feel Froggy. Heads up, give me a heads up,

brother. I love you. I love doing this with you. I love what we're achieving. And everybody who's who's listening. Thank you all so much for being a part of this grand scissor scissoring experiment. We saw a lot of fun. All right. Have a great weekend, brother. All right, everybody in the chat room. Have a great weekend. Thank you all we will see if we can slip on in stay tuned. We'll be back soon with more podcasting 2.0

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