Episode 142: Bottom Funnel

podcasting 2.0 for July 21 2023, episode 142 Bottom funnel Hello everybody time once again for the official board meeting of podcasting 2.0. That's right, the only boardroom that's open during the strike. We're here to bring you everything that's going on with the podcast index.org with the podcast namespace, of course, everything. We're talking about O'Byrne podcast index on social the future of podcasting is

I'm barely had time to put my vitamin D drops in the beef shake.

Things I never say

I did as a special gift to myself today though. Yeah, I dropped as I was mixing up the grass fed beef milkshake. Dropped in a dropped an ice cream sandwich in there. Oh, I

thought you were gonna say I dropped a little bit of acid in there. And that would have been really cool.

We'll be great in about

day two tuned, it's on the way.

Yes. Ice Cream Sandwich known for his vitamin and mineral content.

That was a little a little bit of a downer. We started today. And we always try to have a cool little pre stream show. We're singing along with some classic hits 100% retro, which is available in all modern podcast apps and understand the live concert. And we found out Tony Bennett passed away today. It's just I mean, he had a great life. 96 years old was still miss Tony tried to play Little Tony and then I got even more depressed was not a good thing. When I

came in and sat down 10 minutes late by the way. I came in and sat down and went up when I jack into the stream. Yes. Typically, you got 100% retro. It was Madonna Auto Tune whatever that stupid song is that she has that.

That yeah, I forget what it was.

Whatever, that dumb song and so then. And then I'm like, okay, somebody you were not here. I said somebody tell Adam that I'm here but I gotta go like putting my stuff now and everything. And I get back in. It's like, Tony. Hey, Tony Bennett. Dad

just heard about it. Like, oh, man, I was mentioning earlier during the stream. I will say now that I saw him I think three years ago in Austin, maybe four years ago. at the movie theater. I'd seen him eight years ago as well in Austin at a bigger theater did the same thing. But so he was 92 I guess. And I got halfway or three quarters through the concert. He just puts his mic down and sings on amplified and fills the whole place.

There was a better bed deck. I bet it's like kind of a haunting. Saying

goosebumps just Goosebumps. Goosebumps. I also saw him when he had his daughter on the road. Who I didn't know about. Yeah, he while his daughter was kind of for support. I think he said I just wanted her on the she can say she's good singer to just wander on the road for support. And so didn't want to be out on the road by myself. My last years. Yeah. Anyway,

are you one of those? We'll see when those guys that got into like, became like a standard Las Vegas. Person that like live there.

Well, I mean, he of course was there for many years on and off. But I mean, he was way above and beyond, you know, a like a residency in Vegas. I mean, he was he could do anything you wanted at any point in time anywhere in the world. I had he was he was he was Frank Sinatra's favorite singer.

Give Good for him. Yeah, he had a good luck. Yeah,

good luck. Good Life is awesome. All the songs at the American Songbook is rolling through my head. Anyway, welcome strikers. For those of you wondering, What am I going to do during the strike? Well, you came to the right place.

Welcome to get up and get any podcast.

Well, you know, I'm just saying if there's all kinds of exceptions and waivers for the strike business, like Apple got a waiver for one of their shows there's there's all these like, tricky deals you can do and then the the guild or the union so sag AFTRA, and I guess the Writers Guild will give you a waiver so you can continue production is like kind of scammy

this is this is the this is the Russia sanctions scam. You know, you get sanctions, but you have like 27 Different loopholes that you can Oh, yeah, but you can't you can't Take oil, you know, you can't accept oil from Russia, unless you're in one of these 57 special categories.

Exactly. Exactly. And then you can,

it's all fine. Yeah.

It's I mean, I'm just looking at what's going on and how far apart these people are and what the what I think the this is called Hollywood, but it's not really fair because 99% of the people who work in the entertainment industry on television, radio, movies, support for all that are meal people you've never heard of probably just, you know, actors who work for a living, you know, look at any scene on a

What's it's, it's common. I mean, it's common for everybody, the everybody in anything related to media because this like, say New York Times had an article today actually printed it out Google tests AI tool that is able to write news articles. Here's, here's this, here's this line.

not I don't think AI is so much the problem. I really don't. I don't think Hollywood believes that, you know, great scripts are going to get turned out by AI. The problem is, it's no longer the business that these actors and writers thought they were in, you know, and it was all great when it was like, hey, you know, we're changing the model. We don't have residuals because it's all gonna be on our streaming app. So

They're probably pretty loud. Yeah. Okay. I'm jacked.

Just turn you to No, no, do whatever is fine. I like

you. I Like You loud in my head that way. It's it feels good. Feels like you're right there. Do what I say. Jones, no. Good Feet behind me.

The problem is these guys don't realize it's no longer dealing with Hollywood did dealing with Silicon Valley. And we know the Silicon Valley model. Give me all your creativity. Here's nothing. That's right. That's what they do. That's that's a big reason why podcasting got into so much trouble. By the way. I heard something kind of encouraging. On the pod news weekly review. There's these two young women that

that interview. Yeah. Seriously made. It just made me sad. Well, it made me depressed

really, because I kind of got happy about it. Interesting. Georgina Holt and Christiana Benton from the telling agency that I think is not a great name personally. Because I couldn't hear it. It was hard. What's the name telling? Like belling selling, I couldn't quite get it. The reason why I got a little enthusiastic is because they're going back to the original model that I started with at pod show.

Coupon Code coupon codes.

Now what what happened with that is, very quickly, we realized that the way to success with the coupon codes was to SEO the crap out of the coupon code, who cares

and bottom funnels and whatever the hell that means.

Bottom funnel is a great show Title I

don't know what it means a porn

category on

one point, I wish I had clipped it at the bottom I've given myself a moratorium on pod news weekly review clips, because there's just so many good things in there that I just have to stop so I don't have a challenge to not clip that show every week. So there was this one section in that interview with I think it's Christiana she goes on a string of digital advertising jargon that was one for the record books it was like it was

there was a lot of that in there with the accident made it even funnier.

It was like it was like seven or eight seconds of words that I had no idea what any of it man oh my god, what is what?

Well, then I had a thought because and then also and these things never come accidentally because who was it was I go a guy over there on podcast index dot social who's doing the stats? These extrapolating our stats and creating new stats from the stats,

Ron Plouffe palooza.

Let's Obama's guy, Ron blue. No. Let me see. It's on the second who is a dude, come on. It is Ron Plouffe.

That's when you're thinking of David. David Plouffe.

David Plouffe? Yes. Another No, no,

there may be a relation. I don't know. Here's

another namespace milestone this week feeds with chapters crossed 20,000. On Wednesday, congratulations. This is quite good. You know, there's 20,000 podcast feeds that are actively using chapters. That's not bad.

That number is actually way more impressive than it sounds because of the number we know that the number of active shows is way, way lower than 4 million, you know, the

more like 400,000

Yeah, right. Right. So that I mean, that's actually that's a pretty decent chunk.

So then I was thinking, here's what it was like the problem with attribution, and all this crap is all the tracking and the creepy stuff. And ultimately, it's not, it's just not really a great way. And I said, Wait a minute, we have people in the app, you know, the call to action shouldn't be, hey, buy this product, subscribe for this service, sign up to this newsletter, whatever the call to

You'll see that's what, that's what that app visie was trying to do. At vizlib, when we had them on the show the guy from Australia, you what happened to them? I don't know. I mean, they were they were kind of they were rolling for a while and then they just can't, don't haven't seen or heard from in a while. So I don't know, I don't know if they didn't make it or what I'm not sure.

But the idea, the idea. Yeah, the idea is good. And now we have some traction with this stuff. And so it's really a I mean, it's to me, it's like a hybrid value for value in a way where you say, hey, look, we're sponsored by, by now this advertiser, because it all it all requires what we would call a host read, but it's not really it's more integrated into the, into the content of the into the content, the product is kind of integrated into what the show is doing.

That's the only way I'm gonna get back.

Which by the way, I think would be very, very valuable as an audience that if you can get your audience to do that, and it's not a big ask. It really isn't. I mean, whether you're asking people to bigger ask us to ask them to boost with Satoshis that's a big ask. Now we have something that There's

We'll see that's the only way forward I think long term that's the only way forward for for attribution because you can't the pic the tracking pixel and all this that keeps

going away. Yes. And it's not going to work anymore. It's not going to it's not

going to work at Apple will flip the switch. They are going to do it and it is going to all this stuff is going to break Yeah. Yeah, the world is broken.

Words word so true, my friend. We live in a broken world.

You know, I've got a I've got a I brought a PowerPoint.

Up brought up PowerPoint. Oh my god, I just don't even have the beamer hooked up. Who's got the Beamer? Who who has the remote for the beam? Or do you have a cord? What kind of cord Do you have? On your head

display port?

We need adapters.

Somebody can somebody dropped the screen in the travel conference room? I need to I need a projector.

But how many times we've been through that crap. Ah, Dave, you probably still go through it on a on a weekly basis.

Oh, three times a week at least. Yes. This is this is what gets gets me this. Everything is perfect transition, which is another way of saying the world The world is broken. Because it so

indicate next slide. Next slide.

Sounds like what are those? What are those things? The little little carousel? Yeah,

project. That's what it is.

And then you know how many of those I sat through? My grandmother showed me. My uncle Israel, Uncle Stanley.

Uncle Stanley did that in our fab. And then you have Oh, go back and you have that double click, you know, like, yeah, there it is. There's your double click back.

Like, Oh, Grandma, the Jordan, the Jordan River. Yes. I've seen it 100 times.

Invariably, like someone would knock over the the next carousel and everything would be out of order. And Uncle Stanley would be literally mad. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Don't touch him with your fingers.

Yeah, yeah. So I want to I want to, I want to jump off track here and just talk about general the issue edification of of the entire university

and should have occation of the entire universe, right? Yes. Yes.

The cracks are starting to form. Everywhere you look. I mean, it there. It's not just financial. It's it's social. It's political. It's, it's every where you look, there are, there are, there's you can see the cracks. This this week was a difficult week. For me, not psychologically, I thought

Enough about Microsoft.

And it is not Microsoft know, the in but but that's the point is it could be any of them that like this applies to all of them. So we've got this, we got this enterprise software vendor that we have a lot of client data in. And we come in Monday into the office and go to login as the add an administrative user for this piece of for this platform. And user unknown user. That is exactly what it says. This year said user does not exist. And I was like, Excuse me. This is

All your data is safe. Yes,

you can say that. Everything's alright. But all you gotta do we just need you to submit your best submit photo ID proof.

What are they Twitter was Twitter, your vendor? What is the Facebook,

we need to verify that you did, you're still in control of this account. Okay, fine, submitted that information, uploaded it through a link we were given.

Now yours or your colleagues, Nicole McCauley, good, good work,

three, three days, three days and your subordinate,

I should point out not just your colleague, the guy who works for you, hey, use your ID

as a colleague, because I don't want to three days later, no word, no feed, note no response. So I would now

three hours, three hours, I would be pissed off.

Now I have to get involved. So we were told two to three days to turn around time. So now I have to get involved, right? I call I call in. I'm told I'm told a different. Now I'm told a different thing. I'm told, Oh, well, your security team disabled this account. And you're gonna have to create a new admin account. And in order to do that, you're gonna have to submit documentation for district conditio, your representative the company, and he's gonna have to be Shawn

your TPS reports, your TPS reports are not an order is such

that you need that you need signed documentation from all of the shareholders.

And there's probably 30 partners.

It it's not a small number. And so I spent the entire day getting photo IDs, permission letters, all this stuff, submitted it again on Friday. Got a reject another rejection over the weekend saying you did not submit any information. So this, so I'm gonna stop right there. This eventually the reason that I was late to the show to this is

No, say say at moments had that last bit one more time.

So so it's it, there's this emerging awareness that the the rules and the techniques that we are bound to in all of these areas of life don't actually serve a purpose for which their usefulness outweighs the effort we have to x put out to adhere to them? Oh, no, of

course not.

So like when when technology is so when technology produces velocity, okay, I'm going to use that term. When technology produces a sort of like a velocity or, or a momentum. There's this sense of pride Progress and like economic, physical progress academic. Like even just like a general excitement over invention, and like new things, you know, you get to play with new things, you get to experience new things. GK Chesterton said the Chief

absolutely. Or prof G would say 100%.

Profit, G. Well, yeah. So like, a AI is? Well, before I do before I before I go to that part, I've got a clip notes from from this, we've been watching the show. I think it's on what used to be HBO, Max, and Max now, to be watching this show. It's called for the love of kitchens. Don't laugh at me.

I love it. I think I think I'm gonna have to watch the show for the love of kitchens, I like it.

It's the default is this company called Devall. They're out of the UK, they make these like $100,000 kitchens. So we kind of get into this show. But there's this one. They've got a bunch of craftsmen that that are that work for this company. And they're on this little Preserve. And it's it's a really nice atmosphere. And there's this one guy that he was in it, and then he became a blacksmith working for this Deval outfit. And he just gives us a little bit of his thoughts on

draw out the point. Then Winston that bend over the end, because no one likes a sharp hook. So it doesn't damage whatever you put on. I'm using my jig, I'll create the curve of the hook. All I've got left to do now is get it all warm again. Let it cool event, and then we're waxing. Previously, I've had 20 plus years in the IT industry. And a few years ago, I decided that I wanted something outside of it. I come to work and I've got a boys toys, I can create stuff. And it's a freedom

name of this show?

It's called for the love of kitchens. So here's, you know, here's a guy, IT guy for 20 years. He finally got out of the IT game. And I would say the technology game in general or the Information Technology game and got in now. He He's a craftsman. He's a tradesman, he makes things with his hands. And he's super excited about it and he feels a seat he talks about the freedom and I think the freedom that he's talking about Is, is this thing, it's, it's the freedom from these second

Hello, oh, it's Professor Ted from the grave for you, Ted Kaczynski,

consults, still a consultant. So the technical, the technological velocity has slowed. We're unhappy with the constraints that it left us with. And then comes AI. And AI is the promises to ease the burden of of those constraints. So AI is gonna take you so you take this situation that I was in this week, you know, and now we're AI has to emerge in order to be, quote, more intelligent, about, about security, about about analyzing the security data to make sure that things

bumming me out, dude.

What I'm saying is, AI is not the beginning of anything. It's the end.

It's actually the end of memory, the way I see it, that we become so lazy,

is the end of innovation is not the beginning of any new phase of innovation. It's the end it's not in the AI is not innovation. It's supplication. Whoo. snapback, like it is begging you not to give up and exit the system.

Yeah, yes, yes, yes. Yes. You know, it's interesting that when I was 6015, maybe even 14, I lived in a small village south of Amsterdam, and I did two summers. The thing was two summers of Saturday work, and sometimes Thursday or Friday work at a blacksmith oh really actually learned how to shoe a horse. And by the way, that smell when you when you put that horseshoe onto the horse's hoof you'll never forget that smell. But it was it was one of the gritten the Smith core core the

Know. The easy problems are all in technology, the easy problems are all solved. They were all solved a long time ago. You know that? That's that's the thing. Now, this bothers me about noster because they seem to have this idea, that prob that, that there's some easy solution to things that are inherently impossibly difficult, like decentralization, and that they're kidding themselves. The easy stuff already has answered it was already answered long ago.

That's interesting. You say that because I follow the damos developer through through the noster to activity pub bridge. So I follow him on podcast index dot social. And I see him making stuff that is so centralized. It's not even decentralized. It's all centralized. So I mean, it's just yeah. And you can see people replying, hey, you know, turn off the damos relay. Yeah, no nostril will collapse.

It's moving. It's more. Yeah. And the things that I see them saying are more like, we're about to make decentralized shopping the thing you can't stop us figured out something brand new that nobody's ever seen before. Okay, so there's again, another clip, there's, it reminded me of John Carmax interview on the LEX Friedman show. And he made this statement, and it has stuck like a thorn in my brain ever since. And it has bothered me. And I think it was the impetus for all

the artificial general intelligence side of things. I'm, it seems to me like this is the highest leverage moment for potentially a single individual, potentially, in the history of the world, where the things that we know about the brain about what we can do with artificial intelligence. Nobody can say absolutely on any of these things. But I am not a madman, for saying that it is likely that the code for artificial general intelligence is going to be 10s of 1000s of lines of

He's kidding himself. But he's completely delusional. There's let me give him the let me just give one cynical example.

Can I give you my theory about all of this before you give us your example? Yeah, sure. My theory is ultimately everybody wants a robot for porn. That's all that it is. That's all that we're every sees like, I want a robot for porn. That's, that's what it is. I don't see. And then as men and women alike, we don't really want anything else.

This it all comes? Well, it all comes back to it all comes back to the AI question. de ar question being the the ai ai being the end, not the beginning. It's yeah, I mean, that fits with what your title is, like. So I guess, I don't know how long ago this was, maybe. Oh, gosh, it's got to be 15 years ago, at least. Now, it's more than that. So I was really involved with this assembly, Windows assembly language community called MASM, MASM, 32. So we, it was the

Right now. We have defconfig dash a

with Windows XP air. And so he writes this tool in and I'm looking through the source and it doesn't work, right. There's this one class of network interface cards, that it can't find it was like a ton adapter or something like that. So no matter what you did, you wouldn't show it. So I'm looking through there and I found a found some obscure documentation on Microsoft's win 32 API. This showed that this specific type of network interface card, you had a constant in the windows

I'm gonna say I would actually posit, based on what you're saying, in my own thinking, my own independent thinking is AI. First of all, it's a buzzword, it's the new blockchain, whatever, it's only going to create more employment opportunities, not less, more. There'll be many more people necessary to support this stuff for the reason you just laid out.

But you see I'm more pessimistic.

Okay, could you get even more mummery on me?

I'm more pessimist in this because so much stuff happened this week that's just sort of like all played in together. Mark Marco Hill Linna at Linode in a Marco posted publicly that Linode is now that their own Bochum I just for just randomly told him that they're going to down his server for a migration. Like in the middle of the day for eight he's gonna have eight hours of downtime Marco

from overcast Marco overcast. Oh, so they just sent him a note will ping or mass email like, hey, screw your business?

Pretty much. Yeah, exactly. And And guess what? The way I see this resolving is is the Exodus, people are going to start just on a technological level, people are going to start checking it out. I've already seen it happening. I've already seen people that are getting they're detaching from social media. They're tired of it. They can't, they're there. They're not able to process it.

I agree. I see this everywhere we have we have long reach peak social media, particularly with the advent of threads. You have all these choices. What am I on what's authoritative? Twitter has become, you know, Tina took a one month sabbatical from, from all social media, which I thought was it was pretty good. She it was interesting to see what she was doing instead. And, and now she's back on Twitter. And in that one month, he says, Well, I don't have a blue check.

And I think we need to preserve podcasting. This brings it all back to podcast. Yes, thanks. I think we need to preserve

one hour and we're back to podcast.

Because here's a permit me to permit me to read this passage.

This is a point of personal privilege permission granted, of course.

This is from the technological society by Jacques Ellul. This explains Another characteristic of the books written after the century of humanism, their lack of convenience, we find few tables of contents, no references, no division intersections, no indices, no chronology, sometimes not even page nation. The apparatus standard for scientific works today is not found even rudimentary in the most perfect works of the period. And its absence is

Wow, totally applicable to podcasting.

That's what podcasting is. That's what's an island.

This is what we discussed on the previous show. And by the way, got a lot of beautiful emails and notes from people saying, yes, yes, this is what I got into podcasting for there's one guy who does a half hour podcast a week with his son whose house it was across the country at college. And he says, he's connected me to massage. I don't care if there's three if there's no one listening. It's connecting us and people are able to listen in and then it inspires them to connect with

Yeah, just That's why That's why that interview made me sad is because I was like, No, this is this is all taken this is all technology being applied to a medium. That's what this medium is where books were in the, in the 16th century. We need to get it needs to stay there. Because otherwise we create a technological framework around podcasting, that's going to kill it. Think he told that tracking pixels and all this that mean like this is that this is is ultimately going

Yes. Now, I am not so bearish on chapters, I think chapters, you know, there's a very valid connective reason for them. Outside of, oh, I'm bored, I want to skip ahead. And I've always been looking for that I personally like the different art pieces of art, which is what Dred Scott does for us as much as humanly can. Which, which gives me joy. You know, I don't look at the chapters to skip ahead. Wow, this is boring. Where's my next thing? No, I looked at the chapters, in fact,

I love chapters. And I think this is a couple of things there. I think things like that. There's a, they have to exist. Like, there's, you see a thing and this, this is another aspect of this is this. It becomes self fulfilling. So like the chapters as a technology is it there's a sense in which it must exist? So we have to create it? I mean, we didn't create it. I'm just saying like, there, we have to take it to its fullest extent. And I'm totally cool with that.

you should try it, you should try working with a split kit.

I actually did, I started messing around with sovereign feeds this week.

Sovereign feeds. So this is a good point, because I'm so reliant upon Steven B's work. And, you know, because he changes stuff, you know, he's always upgrading doing things, and he does it pretty much in production. And you know, of the 100 times I use it, you know, there's one time but not it's not even to watch one time that it just breaks or something happens. And you know what, I'm able to get a hold of him. And

It's, we call it I think we call it scissors as a defense as a emotional defense mechanism. Because because we're kind of scared of his of the of all this stuff to it like, and it's that it's that paradox within all of us. If you've been in it long enough. You sent me that clip of Leo this week and I felt this was sort of sort of tangential to that it was sort

I hear you, I hear you. Well, there is something. So I'm extremely optimistic. And I know you're not pessimistic. But when it comes to podcasting, and I've been dreaming about this, not just like, for 19 years, hoping we could make this happen somehow, but I'm actually having dreams about the new category of podcasts that are going to come on the scene. That is podcast with music and music is so powerful. And there is so much creativity being put into music not in the mainstream.

Love that the Dutch word sound is just is just the word Pittsburgh,

Pittsburgh. So next week, you're on vacation yet you're taking the day off deal. And so that means there will be no board meeting however, that will be the launch of boosting Rambo booster Graham ball will I'm gonna launch it in this time slot. Nice and I'm gonna do it live and do it live and we'll do it live.

Where are you? Are you gonna do a feed drop? A feed drop?

What's a feed drop?

Where you put your episode and somebody else's feed? No, no, no, no, the booster ball this Instagram ball in the podcast and

I hadn't even thought of that idea feels icky doesn't feel right I would prefer that mean I'm I have boosted grand ball.com I haven't haven't launched the website yet I got work to do. Which which by itself will be interesting. But I have in my head I know what I'm going to do. And which means I'm going to freewheel it because that's kind of the whole point. What I want to get back to is that I'm playing music or playing music at that moment because of how I feel. I want to

because you're going to do it live on Friday at noon and then you're going to do you're going to actually put it in the feed on Saturday.

Yeah, well the feed drop will be the release of every episode My plan is currently is to have it on Saturday so if I record the show on Wednesday night or what I mean whatever it is that's what that's what I'm going for. We'll have to kind of see live experience Yeah, the live experience will will not that will be kind of like like a like a rave you know, it's like oh the live experience is happening. You get you get the flyer you get the flyer oh it's

I mean, this isn't her day.

Oh is good is good. I don't want to play that on

on a mind Good day to the corner of the room that you want us to have all given back to cry like a little Boy.

Ainsley Costello, the chair On top podcasting 2.0

What a song man that's a rad song. I love it.

It's like a little Taytay you know a little more rockin than Taylor Swift. Yeah, I like that's a great

tune man. Yeah, it's cool. It says she local to Nashville.

I think so. I don't know. i This is the one thing I'd love from wavelength because I'd love a little more info on each artist. You're linked to her, but maybe there is I haven't just really looked for it. But I'll need more info for and it's like I know what's going to happen. People are gonna be sending me music from all over the world. I know how this goes. Um, so what do you think my opener by the way?

Oh, this kid's great. Really good. Yeah. You did all that yourself. Like you put it all together? Oh, yeah, we did you have to record anything new or just use old clips? Yeah, no, I

did the in there. You hear a boost to grandpa. Grandpa did that. Literally like that?

Night? Like that tune has a real Paramore early. Paramore. Oh,

S Yes. Oh, yeah. Where they thought about

before they suck. You did a great job on opener that's gonna keep

now this one. So I have all kinds of things already, like tracks and SATs, you know, all kinds of cool stuff I can say. Now, I didn't mention this on the last show. But I have decided and this will make it even more fun. It'd be this in a way plays into what you were saying. But I really want to try this. I want to release this on IPFS podcasting.

Okay, I'm trying to put by the way, I'm working in the background to try to put together some guests that we can talk about IPFS podcasting. And so we can have like a roundtable on it, you know, and I've got the own the weak link. No offense, Cameron, but the weak link is Cameron because he lives in the middle of like, the middle of the woods. Oh, yeah. He lives in the forest.

Thoughts. So he lives

in a lane to in the middle of the forest shanty? And he's just he just told me when I contact him, he's like, he's like, Dude, my internet's so bad. I'm not sure he's like, Well, you know, I gigabit internet, Ethernet soon, but

I can bring him in on the phone. I can do a phone link.

Oh, you can? Because you get

on the road. Yeah, I can just bring him in on the phone. Like, no problem. That'll work. Okay, let's do it. I mean, I could probably even filter to make it sound pretty reasonable if he's on these on, like a modern phone. But a flip phone will work. I don't care. Well, whatever it is. Yeah, sure, we'll do that. So IPFS 444, pod IPFS podcasting. IPFS podcasting.net. In essence, all I do is I upload my my track, well, I I have to create a feed which will do with sovereign

there's a lot more but I say there's there's a lot more love and interest for IPFS within people in podcasting than I realized. And the more people I talk to the more people are like have an interest in trying to get it to be functional. Yes, Jay like Jason every podcast guru, he's got BFS guy.

So I want to be the guinea pig I want to be the canary I want to be I want to be the thing that it'll be scissors you know we'll be running with scissors as always, but I think why not am

over as your SAM over pod fans. He'll

do it. Boy by the way. I forgot I forgot to mention pod fans. Every single piece that we do is implemented on pod fans. I am convinced Sam will want to be a part of this with the IPFS part. Oh for sure. So I'm super super excited. I said I had dreams about this. Dreams. And and there will be more shows there's more shows coming with guys getting ready and there's music being uploaded Suzanne Santo is coming next week. Suzanne Santo she's a she's a she's an actress kind of

just burnt she was wearing out the fretboard with a with a with a baby in the oven. Yeah

baby in the oven and she had her sneakers on underneath her hot hot black dress. Nice and her husband Nick he is the guy who created produced wrote two detectives you know the the the Netflix series that was a huge hit the one that did it True Detective to detect the other one with Woody Harrelson and, yeah, okay, so, so and they're just they moved to Austin, they they escaped California. And so I've been talking to her about this, and she really wants to get

But this goes back to my depressing PowerPoint is there we have to be the we've we've we're here with with a catcher's mitt, we're catching, we're catching it. Everybody who exits the technological system we're catching, we're

catching, oh, we got you. We got you know, we got we got you.

We just set them down gently on the bed of podcasting. 2.0.

So when I hear this stuff, I just get so excited. I just like, oh, this is so cool. I like it. I like it and, and going back to the to my opening statement that the strike is really going to open up so many opportunities for people for frustrated. It's all it's radio and television artists to you know, it's not just as podcasters is all kinds of people who are affected by the strike. And and I think that you

What Yeah, I mean, for for what for no agenda, or

it was not even clear. For what show this probably from no agenda. And I can share some of this because I wound up signing an NDA, just to find by wanting to go one step further to find out what it was, oh,

what they're really doing well, well, the

NDA was really like the most vanilla. So it's not from the from YouTube themselves. But it's from a guy. I won't name isn't it? We'll just call him Pete.

Who was a paid from YouTube?

That yes, Pete from YouTube in London. And I believe because he found my name and email address in a EC two, which is, you know, I think was shortage where I had an office. So he somehow thinks I'm a UK based podcaster God forbid, you know, he researched me right? That would be stupid. So he's a strategic partner, manager, YouTube, Google, LLC, London, UK. And he sent this through different avenues including LinkedIn. And, and, and so you know, it's Hello. That's it.

Wow. Sounds a lot.

Yeah. All right. Well, I'm interested now because I keep for a week now I'm hearing Cridland talk about YouTube launching podcasts in other countries like this is part of it, or what is it and it's poorly written? The English is not great. And like, what is they doing? So okay, but I don't answer right away. Because I had to think about it and like, Oh, whatever. And I got busy. And then I get another email. Hello. Following up on my previous email, I'm happy to have a first

So that's, that's three occurrences of we're gonna give you a grant. Yeah, really, really hammering that one home,

right. So I say, Well, you know, I'm kind of interested in this grant. You're talking about pi Adam, thank you for your answer. But I'll need to send you an NDA to provide you with all the details. However, let me provide you with

Okay, wait, let me let me let me let me ask you, did you talk to him? Invite him on the phone like no person? No.

Because he said, I signed the NDA. I was like, Okay, let's have a call said no. Tell me about the grant. And these guys, they don't know what they're doing. They don't give a crap about podcasting. I can say this. That, you know, that I believe it is their mission. It was not explicitly said, but I believe it is their mission to just get everybody to do video. And I think you can get a grant if you want to go down that route. But I did not have any discussion with him further

value for value. Did you talk about vase? No,

I said you're a sinkhole. You know, you just I think I have my answer here.

You can we Is this where the exit interview? Why Why would you not like to have our grant? Because you're a saint. Oh, no.

No, though. The grant the grant was really not the grant. Wasn't I can just tell you the grant was like, You know what? not buying content knob, you know, in certain circumstances, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So that kind of went away because of how I felt it. But I can read you what I wrote. The reason why, let me see hold on is that my sent emails here we go. Podcasts are meant to be distributed via an RSS feed that the players apps, websites, etc, are to consider the source of

Did you follow that up by saying, Oh, can we talk about the grants?

And then he said no, because he had asked me to share why. And then you know, he comes back says I think there's a misunderstanding around our intention. That's a shame. But thank you for taking the time to share the feedback. You know, the whole discussion, which I didn't discuss anything we discussed, this confidential guys, great, have a great day. And I said it'd be equally helpful if you explained my misunderstandings. What did I misunderstand about your

That's stunning. I'm surprised that he never answered that. This. So this is this sounds like this is just me, this is me. This is me talking. You have not talked to me about any of this. No, this sounds like just an extension or a redirection of the same thing that they were doing before, which was they had a grant program, where they were supposed to supposedly going to give popular podcasts like $50,000 to start or something like that dangerous,

the number of video interesting number to start doing

videos. So I'm assuming that that that that program just became this program. And it's basically the same thing. That's an interesting

assumption, which I cannot talk about. But I think that assumption is definitely interesting as an idea.

Right. So this this is I've got an ISO for this. Oh. So that's why

I'm excited. Yeah. Yeah, so I'm excited. And I would just like to remind us that calling this podcast is just lame, it's not Google podcast, they're not launching podcasting anywhere. If I am, and this is one thing we need to discuss, if I add something to my feed, it needs to be added everywhere. The the converse is true. And we need to talk about

So I have a lot of, there's a lot of his law here,

let me let me let me give the makeup of the background so people understand what happened. There was a hair on fire moment, like, oh my god, someone's getting sued if this still available on the index, and we have to get rid of it and as has to be taken out. You gotta do it. This is what creators want. And, and I actually misunderstood initially thinking what so someone's deleted something and I mean, do

The the reason that we don't do this in real time. What I mean by so what I mean by is like, somebody publishes an episode in their feed. And then let's say a week later, they delete that episode from their feed. Why does it still show up in the podcast index for days or weeks afterwards. But the reason we don't do this in real time is because it is. It is expensive from a performance standpoint, on a database. The episodes table is the most active database is the most active

when I reset a feed or I'm sorry, rescan a feed does that. What does that create? If episodes are missing, do those then have to be deleted from the episode table?

It when you rescan a feed the first thing it does is removes all the episodes. Not recently when you when you reset a feed,

rescan. I just want to understand the difference between rescan reset so rescan, it just looks for something new and refreshes it's not not going back in time and looking at everything or is it? No, it's not.

That's a reset. The reset says look at every just basically put it exactly back to the way it is in the feed right now.

So that does require deletes, it deletes everything at that moment, and thus locks the date of the episode table. Yes. Wow. If I'm powerful.

Yeah, so like, if you were, if you were to go in there, and let's say let's say that there's a podcast with 2500 episodes in it. There's plenty of those out there. Sure. If you issue a, a feed reset on that. It's gonna look to the episodes table for maybe 1520 seconds. Wow. Which

is quite a lot. Quite a long time actually.

And so it's more it's more pronounced than you think. Because what happened? Let's take you take no agenda for example, you keep was it 10 episodes and feed it anytime?

No, it's much more now ever since the whole goodness. I'm afraid to even look how many I have a lot. I should probably prune that sucker or paginate or paginate. I don't know I gotta do something.

Don't do that.

Oh, I'm not doing anything. I'm not

touching it. So but there's plenty of feeds out there and you used to be one of these where whenever you add a new episode You pull off the old get to row run correct window of episodes, yes, there's many of those. So when that happens, there's so many of those feeds that do that. We're locking the table all the time. So what, what I've done, I've had various ways of trying to solve this problem.

40 by 140 in there now, by the way,

for 40 episodes. So I've solved this problem various times in the past using different methods. And the, the thing that works the best from a performance standpoint for me is that every time a feed updates it looks at, it looks at the oldest episode, pub date and the newest episode pub date. And then we have a cron job that comes along periodically, and prunes everything, all the episodes older than the oldest pub date that exists in the feed. And it's just a lazy

I mean, well, first of all, no, under Section 230, we are, in fact immune from any type of legal issues. So is in America, mind you in America, so is every other app in America, etc. That's why section 230 exist. That was the whole point doesn't mean that I that I don't want to service people. They don't want to help them. And also, you know, sort of bemrose actually said, quite appropriately, the public Internet has no delete button. I mean, that is ultimately true.

It is I mean, like, that's Yeah. And that's what I'm like, Well, we're very responsive to somebody, if if I want something taken off archive.org I need I can email them and get it taken down, but then they're not going to look for. And I know that our purposes aren't the same as archive data. We don't want to be the archive of podcasting. No, but but

we're also not we don't have the files or anything like that. I mean, we don't have any of that.

But the language that this has come up before, not just from James, this has come up from I think Daniel J. Lewis, also said that there was some sort of legal problem and I just don't think there is I don't think there's a legal issue with caching content. And and let the only time you get into a legal issue is if it's if you if the Creator asked you to take it down and you don't, then you're then you're violating

No, that's why I said hair on fire. Yeah. And also hair on fire. urgency, makes people make mistakes, and I certainly misunderstood what was going on. It's like what is happening? I mean, I didn't understand I mean, we're all I had to do really was just perform a reset, and then been would have been fixed. You know, like emergency coding like what?

And, yeah, I don't just just to be clear, again, I don't want to catch this stuff. If somebody deletes it from their feet I want to go I want to go from the into Sure, sure. But it's sometimes I mean, like, I don't know, we got constraints. I mean, we're gonna do the best we can. And, you know, that's just got to be the way it the way it is. I mean, if people want some taken down, they just just gonna have to, like, count up their email.

I can't wait to see what how Todd's new project is going to work when we talk about that yet. Does that. Tell me about this? You're on the email.

No, no. Is this the thing that he said? We can't talk about?

Well, yeah, but I mean, can you tell? Can we talk about it yet? Or we still can't talk? Is it? I don't know. I've lost track if we could. I mean, this is Todd. He tells you I can talk about it. Boy, I got. I don't know, he didn't put us under NDA. Okay, but that's gonna be fun. Anyway, yes. Sorry. I brought it up. I do get one other fun thing I want to talk about, which I thought was kind of interesting. player.fm. Are you familiar with familiar with player.fm?

Why do I know that name? Well, it's a podcast

player. It's a podcast player. Yeah, but I don't think they have they have 2.0 Things I believe. Are they on? Me? Check? Check. Let me see. I thought they were

on the apps play me

check. Because when they they hit me up for this great opportunity. And then I said, Oh, do you have any podcasting 2.0? Let me see if I see it here.

People drop something on the on a pull request. And I just did, but they don't really interact with us. So don't forget, forget who they are.

See them here. They may not well, anyway. They they because they know I like having my email address in my feed because I get these things. And I find that interesting. I don't mind. Doing that player. FM player FM is one of the most downloaded and highest rated podcast listening platforms available on the Apple App Store and Google Play Store reaching millions of unique users per month. It is owned and operated by Maple media, a mobile app company based in Los Angeles,

cars and the guy was Hopland it was the platinum cost.

Oh my god. $7,000. Oh, you get one to 1.2 million impressions, three and a half to 5000 Plays 10,000 to 15,000 subscribers. So I guess they, they keep doing something and they force people. And that's seven grand. But it's not so much that I thought some of the some of the I put the link in the show notes so people can take a look at the Google Doc.

I'm looking at our page. So on the player.fm if you look us if you look up us at the top, it says podcasts worth a listen. It's kind of like right in the middle of the patient. They're like dropping an ad for another podcast on our podcast page. But it says over on the left hand side of this podcast Supernote pod content provided by Adam curry and podcast index LLC. What am I chopped liver?

Where does that come from?

I don't know. Don't exist on this page. Now. If you gotta know, it says Adam curry and John Dvorak.

Well, yeah, I mean, let me see what let me see what a show info on a second. Maybe there's something the show in what a show info keyword keywords podcasting, media software, media type podcast. Don't have anything else in there. Let me see owner info.

They must pull it must be pulling out of the owner, the iTunes owner or something like that tag? Well,

I just added Dave Jones to the feed owner. Sorry. Sweet. Yeah.

Makes me happy. Yeah.

I mean, I don't didn't do that on purpose. Obviously. I was trying to find a way to ding them. The podcast index, present podcasting. 2.0 upgrading podcasting. Is that in there anywhere? Because that's what we have in our feed. And that no, no content provided by Adam curry. So that should then change theoretically, the Adam curry and Dave Jones sometime when I guess maybe when I publish?

I guess it's in the description? No, no, it's not in the description in the Yes. In the description tag. I don't say that upgrading podcasting thing. Yeah,

but that doesn't surface and I really don't see any any 2.0 features here.

I mean, if you could get seven grand for for just some.

But forget, forget the money. Oh, interesting, similar to podcasting 2.0, then I see no agenda pop up there. So they're probably cross referencing me.

They can know. I mean, there's there's lots of yeah, there's lots of opportunity for here for I mean, you know, we that apps needs podcasts and people know, apps need staying power. They need revenue

is what they need. But stand up, there was a stand up for your podcast that it wasn't so much about the money part, because whatever. I mean, I guess someone's gonna pay that kind of cash, I won't. But I liked the personalized onboarding and some of the other things that we're thinking about. It's just, it's inspirational for some of our developers to look at just see what those guys are doing.

Yeah, let's say Nathan said that they did. The maple media owns a whole mess of apps in various industries. And one of their lines is like an equity app. Play.

Oh, I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure. Yeah. I'm sure. Should we thank a few people. Dave Jones. Oh, yeah, sure. Let's look at a couple of booths that have come in live where we've been doing the show or live and lit air boob 808 from Mr. Robot. Mr. Robot. Mr. Robot says YouTube, the centralized censoring platform wants to get into podcasting. Yeah, right. What's new?

What's what's obviously did not sign the NDA.

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I know. And he sent me a whole bunch of requests, which is cool, because you know, I had all these different locations the curry castle, the curry condo, the bunker. And he wants the the Geo coordinates so I'm going to get those forum to use the the location tag. Oh, yeah. Now he's, he's got it. It's very nice. I told him no value block. We can have that because I played licensed music and all this stuff. Yeah. So he's not going to put that in. And I think I'm going to give

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Yo, baby. Thank you. Thank you very much, Todd. When can we talk about your secret project?

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I'll give that a shot. Today when I get back and do so. Cast ematic Franco's trying to he's working on time splits. Nice. I've got to put some thought into that, because it's going to be hard for him to do remote item lookups

because he doesn't have a server.

Yeah, and so it's gonna take some thought I mean, for sometimes it's gonna be not a big deal. But if there's a feed with a whole bunch, it it could be a burden

burden on the app because it has to scan all that stuff.

Yeah, he painted out some scenario where there was going to be like 40 Something lookups you know, and it was just like, Whoo, that's that hurts. So I've got that on my to do list to sort of like think that through and see if we can simplify this process for him. Because the the apps that do their own thing and don't have a server I mean, we you know, this stuff has to work for them too. Because those are those are good apps.

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I love Sam he's doing those interviews you can hear is like 34 values the way to go. It's the way to go. But okay, I'll ask about this advertising thing you're doing.

You can hear that you can hear the the you can hear it in his voice.

Can I ask you a question? For a second here, Dave? If you sent me your clips in a zip file? Yes. Have you sent me? A an archive of a chat you had with the Apple Store?

Yes, that's on purpose. Yes. That was potentially something I was going to talk about. But I ran out. Okay. All right. Well try this on the cutting room floor.

Too bad. No big part for you Apple Store. All right, good.

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I got a note from from Roy said, he said sorry I've been MIA. So all kinds of stuff going on so I got to catch up with him. That would be my daughter was here so I haven't had time to call him back but I will we'll catch up. Yeah, he stopped boosting the boosting is not loving.

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That's right. Our Davis all over Oh, he's all up in our DMS today. 1987. DuPont VS is in the boardroom. Adam and Dave, I think the whole verify ownership tag is being over thought. There already exists a standard that can do this for both independent podcasters and podcasters. He's posting companies. It's called PGP and GNU privacy.

Cool. But you can have verification through PGP.

But I guess it would be just like very verifying ownership of an email. If you put your PGP is the key if the feed head is PGP public key in

it? Oh, well, there's a good point. There's a good point. Da

Yeah, you would need an E and it had the same issue. Right? You need a key to key escrow and all this stuff like no you don't need as you don't, I mean key escrow. Like don't you have to have a private directory of public PGP keys, it's

you know what, I'm gonna stay away from this because the minute I open my mouth, like you got it wrong, Carrie. That's not how it works. But I use I would say I get one to two encrypted emails per day. And and I use the what's the what's the dog email, app canine mail, which incorporates it nicely. And I've been able to keep my key ring with all my you know, with all my my my peeps, now easy to add someone's public key, and it works pretty well. I have to say, it's not much of a

But it worked out says the RSS feed is the escrow.

Yes. That will make sense. The feed is the escrow that's where you put the where you put your public key.

And that means that podcast index would be the could be a directory.

We could be your public key directory.

Yeah. There's nothing much more centralized than a public key. strew is

think about something the thing Yeah.

He says you just put the public key in the feed, then you give the user something they sign it with their private key and the Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. I mean, that's yeah. So yeah, it's interesting. Yeah. Or asymmetric. Let's see.

Alex gates just came in with 12,000 SATs already considering adding PGP keys to the feed for pod ping verification.

Okay, well, maybe we can push all this together. And I'm liking this. Yeah,

I'm getting excited.

By the way, Alex, I'm not I'm not streaming my webcam on the OBS because I started this. I already had everything hooked up. And if I plug in the USB, it blows up my computer after I do it after the fact so I'm running headless today. Just yeah, just Yeah, making sure he knows that. It's not a problem. Okay, all right. Josie Jean been 4000 says says Oh, good grief, apparently Oh, my phone pod verse. Now we got back together, but we're waiting to get underground from their

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Uncle Laurent sent us a satchel of Richard's through pod verse he says I heard you guys talking about Bitcoin Amsterdam last episode. Are you guys going? Negative?

No, no, I don't think anything's happening. They they have they've dropped the ball.

Yeah, I haven't heard back from Chris yet.

They have however hounded me for my article. So I wrote my article. I ran it through chat GPT much to Tina's anger. Because I gave it to her and I said can you put this for the Tina wash? He said in the first sentence is this you put this chat GPT didn't you? I said I'm so she has done an edit I'm gonna look at it and it's all about podcasts and 2.0 value for value and music value for value.

Oh one I'm even worse I generated must show the for this new for the days nightstand podcast Yeah, I generated my album art through a mid journey

oh god yeah, that's pretty bad.

It was the epic fails were hilarious bad i mean lamps desktop lamps that were connected to each other in disturbing and horrible ways like it it was it was fun to watch oh yes

I need I need some art for Bookstagram ball comics are bought blogger did one for me. But and he kind of got started on a path that just doesn't work for me headphones on the thing is like I'm looking for something different. I appreciate what he did of course, but I'd love some just throw it up on the podcast index dot social if you got something love, love some art for the show.

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Thanks, brother. Appreciate it, man.

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This is what this is the standard operating procedure for us by the way. You break just like today, you brought cherry on top. With the killer tune. What I brought is Debbie Downer about the world is broken. We're a perfect hair. You're gonna bring the V for V booster booster gram ball. I'm bringing a book about me reading stuff off my nightstand.

But that's who we are. That's why it's so beautiful. That's good, man. That's good. Hey, maybe we can appear on each other show.

That's right. Yeah, I'm talking to you. You're on a show of me reading blurbs of a book. Yes. There

you go. I'm pumped. I'd love to do a guest read.

I will. I will get on your show and play and I'll do an open mic.

Yes. Good. I'm good. I'm good. Let's do it. I love it.

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Let me say God's honest open hope and an owl. That means open head.

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too. Well, I'll put that link in just in case people want to dare click on it. Okay, all right.

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Yeah, we got that.

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I know. That is funny. I didn't even think about that.

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I just got a clarification from blueberry. About the what I was saying about the words that boosted and I made up something completely new because that's not at all what he was talking about. The 17,770 success thank you blueberry Adam I was wanting to hook up boost bot to a shock collar them like zap every time someone boosted our GIMP but voice to boost sounds awesome to

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so if you boost like 100,000 Set baller boost you give you give the host a shock I like that idea

this needs to be rigged up so whatever that that six podcast was the

whatever it was, yeah, court

What's that lake Courtney?

Oh, I forgot her name. Yeah, what I'm talking about the one that the one that never got to value for value for real?

No, no, no, no Karen for mere mortals he on boarded

her. Yeah, but is she still doing it?

Yes, she had a she boosted in. Oh two pod news weekly reviews saying that she's digging the boosts she's getting through fountain

Oh, I stand corrected. I didn't was that today on partners weekly review. Yeah. Oh, I haven't. I haven't heard that. I haven't gotten to the corner yet. Booster gram corner corner shows and that guy hadn't heard it yet. Okay, good. Well, thanks. Um, thank God I'm so happy that's good news. Yeah, we're gonna get her shot caller

again soon yeah, yeah. In the Forex at no agenda social.com. Sent to pod verse sent 4884 says boom. Thank you for your music. Thank you. Boom. Do you Borlaug? 11,711 SATs, the pod verse. No, no, thank you Borlaug and the delimiter There he is. Comic Strip blogger 30 3015 through fountain. He says, How to gringos Adam and Dave. Here's a treat for your listeners. under the radar. A fun snappy podcast on Apple software. [email protected] forward slash radar posted by two millionaires.

Wow, can't wait. Okay.

That one caught me off guard, hosted by two millionaires, Marco Arment of Tumblr and overcast fame and David Smith, creator of the viral widget Smith app. It's a delightful 30 minute digital snack. Never longer than 30 minutes. Yo CSB

golf extra blog. Thank you.

Thank you CSB. Wonderful. How about some monthlies?

Oh, we got some monthlies. We got four of them we got Trevor at Z Nora Limited is five dollars. Thank you Trev or Paul Erskine $11.14 Thank you Paul. Michael Goggin $5. Thank you, Michael and Charles current $5. Thank you, Charles. That's our group.

Yes. Thank you all so much. Let me check the tally coin real quick. I checked it earlier, but I don't think anything is in there because we do have two spots on the podcast index.org website. If you go down to the bottom, you'll see two red donate buttons, one for your Fiat food and fun coupons as for PayPal, the other one for your on chain if you want to send that to us. And of course, what we really recommend is go to podcast apps.com Get a modern podcast app that does your

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lit splits. I like the list. Split splits. Ooh, that's nice.

I like that a lot. Yeah,

when I come back from vacation, I would like to, I would like to go through the tags that we have so far. This is a proposal border. All right. I would like to go through the tags one by one, maybe not every single one. Because some some don't really need a lot of discussion. But at least I would like to go back through these. And I feel like there needs to be some discussion around each one of these tags, and how to make sure that we are properly wiring these up correctly. I'm

call it a platform review.

Ooh, ooh, a PR P

everything's an acronym. If Life's worth living, it's worth acronym. Ising.

Yeah, it's because I feel like for a good example, this cast ematic Franco trying to implement,

make sure it works for everybody. Yes, we

gotta mate. Yeah, we gotta walk through this and see, okay, here's the funding tag. What is what do we expect to be? What was this thing created for? Here's how these apps are implementing it. Whatever it is, can it be linked to other apps? Excuse me? Can it be linked to other tags? I feel like we just need to do a systematic review at a PR and figure out where we're at. We make sure that everybody's on like that because I need to know this stuff, too. Cuz I'm about to implement I

have more more tags than we do. Yeah, Mama

loser.

Winner Dave Jones. You're a winner.

You're a winner. You're

a winner. All right, dude, enjoy your vacation. Can you tell us where you're going?

Yeah, we're going to Southern California to Sequoia National Park. Oh, I

was gonna say nice. Sequoia. Have you ever been? Never been? It's beautiful. It is. I mean, California for all its weirdness is beautiful nature. No doubt about it. One of the most beautiful parts of the country.

I'm hoping that when I look on the heat map, I see this little like an oasis of not a million degrees and I'm hoping that that's where that's where

you're gonna be. It will be much cooler there you'll see it'll be much okay. I'm hoping

altitude helps us.

Remember everybody next week we will have a live show will not be podcasting 2.0 boardroom it will be the inaugural episode of The boosted grandpa All I hope you all show up. And until then, chatroom, thank you very much everybody listening. Have yourselves a great weekend. Dave Have a great weekend brother and have a great vacation.

You too, man. Mr. Gamble,

crank it up there in the tent. We'll be back next week everybody with the bush brown ball See you then

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