Episode 139: Rustic Code Cave

podcasting 2.0 for June 30 2023, episode 139 We're in the rustic code cave writing must mean a sign for podcasting. 2.0 the boardroom with more Rhythm Nation that Janet Jackson

You're gonna you're gonna go back and edit this edit it out? No. Of course none. It was that's

what makes me human. People go Ah, he messed it up. Oh, he's a human. He's not a robot. Oh, he's

not AI because I would never do that.

I would never do that it would never have that pizzazz and it would never come up with the comparison of us with Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation Of course. Whatever.

Can you can you like expound on this? What was the what's your what's your meaning there?

I don't know. I was just why are we Rhythm Nation? Well I just wanted well we I got two songs today I got two songs to play and two value blocks and it's been it's been rather interesting sovereign feeds was on the fritz

Yes tell me tell me what give me the give me the rundown The Lowdown oh this back and forth Haven't you? Yeah,

it was you know I go into set everything up and that means that I'm gonna get my value time split set so that I can and I want it to create a fresh value block to put in there. Yeah, fresh one that from an artist who has who has a wallet but has not yet been let me just make sure does he have this wallet? Did I put the wallet in there? Hold on a second. If I edit this and this is actually interesting. Here we go. New split there we go. Hold on a second is I'm glad I just mentioned this

you set your self regulating

I really am. What was really easy about it is if people have a fountain wallet or if they have an lb N lb wallet. It's so easy to do in in sovereign feeds. Because you know, there's citizen do that right citizen? Oh, my goodness, I'm sorry. I'm already Bogan around, because you just entering the name, you know, the the person's address, you know, the lb address or fountains address. And you can even hive even works as well. Which is now Nicole.

Yeah. Oh, because of the because of the Rube Goldberg machine. Okay.

Yeah. That's because of sovereign fees. Exactly. Sovereign feeds is the Rube Goldberg machine. Yeah. Okay. So I put in the splits I get I think I did it right. Who knows? Maybe we're giving all of this out the whole show to someone else? I don't know, does

this show this show is maybe the most scissors that has ever happened because I had a complete breakdown as well. But I can write but that

okay. I definitely want it. In fact, as I was getting this ready, I see the clock counting down. And that was on Fox News radio this morning. So I you know, I had it was like I was you on Fox News Radio. Yeah. Brian Brian Kilmeade. He has a daily radio show. He's kind of the guy who has the personality, personality of a dishrag guy and everything. But he's like, he's like the guy you can just put in anywhere

We're gonna go there. Well, I

took it straight from there to music on podcasting. 2.0 And he was like Homina Homina Homina just just give do it every promotion, I could get it out of it. And then I got I got the road caster duo in which is the cute little small version of the road caster to you. Did

you order that thing for real?

Well, I didn't want to. And I looked at it and I looked at it and I knew it was it wouldn't be coming until July and then you know, like, or whatever. I couldn't pull the trigger and then Tina's egging me on. She's like, come on, you should do it. Because then you're then you have a complete road set and you don't have to unhook anything and and it's smaller, it's way definitely smaller. It weighs less and it you know, you like it. Yeah. And I'm like, and then it pops up.

Are you willing to do now

No, I'm not No, I'm not okay. I could not figure out what was going wrong. Why I couldn't build my life value time split for the for the songs we're going to play. So one has this has a feed as in the index, and one doesn't have a feed but the artist does and it's it's borderline illegal what I'm going to do because he mean well. Scissors baby

illegal not illegal in the sense of a tetanus technologically illegal not not legally ill

no no it's it's technologically legal. It may be illegal legal is borderline I'll explain it taste it taste medicine. And hey, citizen has done another fantastic mix for us. But of course, it's you know, it's a takeoff on an existing song. So the music you know, now you can do this within the within the auspices of education there is a you can get away with fair use. I don't know if streaming SATs to the person is included under that. Probably not.

But it is what it is.

It's your shirt it

haunts me when I'm a constitutional scholar.

Yeah, sure you are almost eight minutes my offset. So I need to set that up. And so it's the first time I've created a list I guess it's basically the built in Split kit inside of sovereign feeds. So it just says create value block and then you can add all the information and then you can add a value split and I put that in and I think I think it worked. So well. We'll find out okay. Find out

this this is on top of my email is down by fast mail is broken. Ooh. I don't really fully understand what's going on a lot of things on the internet broke today for really GitHub went down. Oh, that sucks. Yeah, fast mails down as we go downward or did nothing is back up now. Yeah, it must be like it

must have been that that thread about value for value with real money.

What's going on? There's but there's a but then there's another there's like a payroll company that at my day job today that was down a big one. And like it's like it's like a whole bunch of stuff it it's weird. I don't know if there's some sort of like network transit. That's that got borked or something but But anyways, fast mail still down. I don't have any access to get the PayPals Oh, no. Yeah, the the boost in my booster gram conveyance.

Oh, you you boost the gram or your boost.

The boost. You had the boost? Slurp. It's just blew down. It's down. I can't I can't because because the last the last mile of it is to the to my email. Oh, you know, like, Okay, well, so but what I did was I pulled and when we

pulled it out the database straight out of the data database. Yeah. Did I just do a File Transfer?

Let me let me static as my desktop. This is

why I love my email server I've had I've been running my own email server for man. I want to say almost two decades. There was a little time there when I used Gmail or some other core that delivered mail. But I had someone who did a really bad DDoS on me about 556 years ago. And it was one of those where it's a service, you pay about $100. And then you give one email address and it auto subscribes you to 1000s of news lists, and, you know, this all kinds of stuff and it's

it's called newsletter bombing or email bombing. Yeah, it massive

email bomb and, and then I just handed the whole thing over to void zero to mark and he runs, perhaps the tightest mail server in the universe. And you know, it's he everything the demark the D M. K, is the FSB is the element Opie's all that. And he's, and he's a Nazi about it, too. He's like, no, no, no, they're misconfigured. Sorry. They just cannot send you email. And I'm kind of okay with that. Like, yeah, it would

be too as like you say, I mean, at this point in the lifespan of enough of email, spam, it's like just fix your email.

And you can use it and you'd be surprised how many times Apple's email is misconfigured or broken. We've seen and we see that more often than not actually like one server will have the wrong demark settings. I've seen it happen with Gmail once or twice. But yeah, it's what you got to do and my email is pretty clean. I have to say at least free from most spam

that Okay, let's see I've got I've got the booster grams, but fast. Yes, mail. I

mean, they're supposed to be pretty good. Yeah, they're great. I love

fast milk eggs that when they go down, understand, Okay, I got the I got the boost handled. I just I just recovered the postage, so we're good on boosts. I just don't have access to the paper.

What can't you just log into the PayPal alone pillow?

Just wanna? Yeah, I guess I could then click

the Activity tab. Is that a weird thought?

Yeah. I guess let me

just thinking, just just a thought. I mean, I don't know. I mean, I'm just, I'm just a disc jockey.

Okay, I'm gonna get on a lark. I'm just gonna let I'm just gonna let it go and see if fast mail fixes themselves by the time the donation okay.

And if not, when you log into PayPal desert, and I have the ability to

blank mode to blank out my screen. So that so the rogue you every time I say that I'm lost streaming? You give a chuckle. Yeah, I know. I know why. Oh, you do you are you is because you're anticipating the day when this whole thing just completely blows up. And I regret it. chuckle chuckle is in here in a few weeks, you're going to do something stupid, and it's going to end you're gonna really regret live streaming yourself. No, no,

no, no, that's not it. It's you want to know the honest truth? Sure, I feel distracts from. I don't like video. And so if someone is, is listening as watching the stream of you, I think that they're not listening as intently as they could be. And it's important people who are watching that

I'm fully passed,

you know, and it just it to me, I'm an audio guy. It creates more intimacy, and I want to be in people's ears and I want them to pay I paid attention to what I'm saying and not be watching. Also, I also have Tourette's and it's weird to watch. So yeah, well, this is

interesting. Because we need to test we need to test the peer tube stuff in the lottery. And we're in. Oh, yeah, for sure. Alex and airhead are going to be on with us next Friday. So we're gonna catch up on all the peer tube stuff. But we need to we need to test this but I'm like, I'm sensitive to your concerns. And like maybe maybe we should just do some something. Maybe I should live stream just like my desktop and not myself.

It doesn't matter. Look, it's this is all scissor stuff. It's all good. I'm just I'm an audio nerd. You know, it's just I've always felt like and I also believe okay, this kind of goes into what's happening with the podcast industrial complex. I think we should discuss this. This whole, by the way, The Lodger the lockdown drawn out battle between Todd and Rob was beautiful. It was a beautiful thing to hear. Were they?

Yes, that was one of my favorite things of the last moment. I mean, Todd just go nuts.

Yeah, it was pretty fun. Now is Rob working for a company that uploads to YouTube? goober uses YouTube? I know he's doing YouTube videos for this one hundred.tv or something? What is he? What is he doing?

It's something YouTube related. Okay, so

so the whole, the whole it comes down to it is, is is a show on YouTube? Is that a podcast? Not? Not, you cannot see what did you just drop

and disrupt a piece of pad of paper? No, I heard loads of notes sound okay. I stood on the floor.

See, I have a whole visual of that. And unfortunately, do you know that I had a hole? Okay, I gotta step back for a second. I had a whole different visual of your setup. Then when I saw it on your stream, the first time when you were doing the database upgrade. I was disappointed. It didn't look anything like I thought it. And let me let me

I was so glad that I disappointed you with my reel.

And I just had a flashback. My dad told me, I didn't have a great relationship with my dad. But I remember a few things he told me and he told me that when he was a kid, of course, he used to listen to the Lone Ranger radio show. And his dad took him to the studio in New York City to go see the Lone Ranger radio show being done live. And he said it was such a letdown because these actors were ugly, didn't look at anything like you know, like the Lone Ranger Tonto shirt, and it

That's just me saying that. You're saying that I'm ugly. And didn't say that? For real, real life. Dave disappoint.

I know how real life Dave is great. I know what you look like. That's not the point. It was your whole setup. I had just a different vision of it. You know,

what did you What did you think? What was your theater of the mind? Did you say did you envision me with like, 12 screens in a command center? And

no, it was more like home built shelves out of naked wood not painted yet? With some holes. You you, you you drilled in it for cabling to come up and, and definitely didn't have a floor? I mean, it's no way now I see ever wood floors like No, yeah, I imagined you on concrete. You know? I don't know.

The the ham shack the ham radio?

Yeah, exactly, exactly. So I could never I could never have that beautiful vision again. Any kind of ruined. So I want to go back to the podcast industrial complex, who are struggling? And yes, I have been through this loop. I have been through this loop before. When we started pod show, podcasting was hot podcasting was the darling

I interrupt you? Yeah. So this is something that I've thought about for you know, often over the years is because you hear the st you tend to hear the same advertisers on many different shows. So you have like, like Linode for example, you know, you can hear you'll hear a Linode add on accidental tech, and then you'll hear one on coder radio, and then you'll hear one on one of Leo Laporte network shows and blah, blah,

and if you listen to Joe Rogan's if not a podcast, if you listen to Joe Rogan's ads on Spotify, it's the same thing, you know, put in code, Joe, or whatever. It's all the same thing. Now, there are some brand ads, I don't want to say that doesn't exist at all. I mean, for instance, I just was listening to my hate listener of the week pivot with Kara Swisher the award, the award winning podcast for technology category. And I heard an ad for Silicon Valley Bank, which was

Yeah, they still have they still have ad dollars. How does that work?

Well, it's the New York Times and the Vox media network, you know, so that's a you know, it's Poopoo. It's like, well, people young people talk about at the cocktail party. Yeah, we? Yeah. So I was talking to Kara and Scott, because we advertise on their show. It's all bullshit. The advertising that is coming in. I mean, yeah, some of it some, okay. Some of it is real, but a lot of it is just it's low level stuff, not. And when it went. So we saw this happen in 2007,

Our car our car insurance went up 42%. And so and I had to actually call and in start and pare it back. I had to get at a call mom say okay, let's let's raise the deductible. Yeah, let's you know, in in go through and then our homeowners went up. Not that not as much as yours, but it went up a you know, at least 20% So I called them up me and again, isn't a dog. Yeah. Oh, well, your

deductible would be 2%. And you'll say $40 a year.

Yeah. I know. Yeah. So like and this went through the same. So this this, you know, the YouTube thing. I've been trying to make this point. And like, I saw this little blurb I think it may have been in sounds profitable. Magellan AI is going to include YouTube or maybe they already are including YouTube stats in their, in their advertising is going to include YouTube in their advertising reports for podcasts.

Yeah, it goes up. It's crazy.

Yeah. And, and it said it this was in addition to said they're going to do this just like blah blah blah and blah blah blah like these other people are these other companies are already doing this. And so that that exactly. Like it confirms what I was saying the last couple of weeks where the, the the podcast consultants, the the the people who make their money from podcast advertising, they are the ones driving the

podcast. Oh, yeah, tick tock will be podcast and you can already see that happening, that writing's on the wall.

I'm ashamed that it took me so long to understand why there was quote, unquote, confusion about what is a podcast, there's no confusion. No, this is this is a this is purposeful. And it's you know, the the other big issue of this week whether or not big issue, but the other kind of the scuttlebutt was, well, the number of unique the number of unique value for valet, well,

I'm getting to that you're jumping. Jumping ahead. No, no, you're jumping ahead of the game here. You're jumping ahead. This is what's so beautiful. So first of all, you debase the money and the whole world did this. Everybody printed up trillions of dollars, that's why you have it. That's why your steak costs more. That's why your steak isn't steak. That's why they're selling chicken that isn't just made out of that's made in a brewery that Yeah, but all

you can't you can't do that do that. You can't do it. It's regulation. Yeah,

you literally cannot do that. Well, I don't have to show my I don't have to do a know your customer for biscuits at Amazon. Yeah. You couldn't do it. If we could put biscuits through the line. Yeah, that would work well. So you cannot do it. This is the first time in history that micro payments have even been done successfully. With with with anything, I can't think of another example where micro payments have actually been used consistently by a large group of users. This is it.

And if you run a non KYC exchange to do what that thing says, You're going to jail,

you're going to big time you're going to

Yeah, you can't You're

not if you're Sam Backman freed, you know, actually go to jail. He lives near they live near the jail, and stay with your mommy and daddy. Alright, so that, that is what we are doing here. Now, besides all the other stuff, you know, all the namespace of all the great features that have come out of this, which is phenomenal. It's all because of the developers and us who stayed in the game because of the value exchange. And everybody has at least a way to pop into that

did I did pay to do it last year, based on my taxes actually

paid a little myself to

me like it was so much. What happened to me in this is unfortunate is that because the we we the the income from the index, passed me over a threshold to where everything changed exactly what happened. Exactly. And so like, I'm like, No, it was it was like my tax bill was like $5,500 is what I had to pay. And I'm used to paying zero. Yeah, because I always sort of calculate that out. And I was like, Oh, crap. Yeah. So I just only so I was like, Okay, I'm just gonna take

I was gonna say, what is happening right now is that there is a candidate for president, who is literally saying, I'm going to become president through podcasts. Now. Yeah, he's on YouTube shows and on Rogen, Spotify and all this stuff. But the importance is the recognition that podcasting which because of us, because of this community, will actually be open and available to all with a value exchange. That's a massive

mortis

doe Before before, before it actually dies, it's still, it still is jerking on the ground.

That's what it is jerky is called jerky because,

like the podcast industrial complex is just is dead. And it's just in the last throes of of life breath. And, and at the same time emerging from that is a system that spans the globe, we have people from all over the world who are who are truly invested in making this work and see that vision, but we can't lose sight of what it is it's a value exchange, it's not just streaming dollars. Now, the whole concept is the feedback mechanism, the value of of what a boost means the the

If the ETF stuff goes, goes through, which I think it will, that's going to this is going to get easier, not harder, it will totally, it'll get easier. And there will be more recognition, about about what the about how to do this. This is not this is not going to this is not going to be difficult, long term. But so I mean, I make a decent living in my day job. I mean, you know, and even I went through this past week and cancelled a bunch of subscriptions that I wasn't

let me give you another example. Let me give you an I have been living value for value with my day job no agenda for now in our 16th year. Huh? Very scary in the beginning. You get used to it during the lockdowns, pandemic, etc. And my first appearance on Rogen, we doubled everything. We doubled in female listeners, we doubled in income and you know now with inflation and everything, it's gone down. The beauty of it is and we're talking On average 400 donors per show, and that's from

You've been say you've been seeing this for years, the ups and downs have no agenda, you know, the summer, summer starts donations,

donations to Oh, you get holiday weekends, it by the way, we work on holidays,

politic, political, the political season starts, donations go up, things happens, things happen within the movement of society that will affect this. And the I think the really critical point is that all of these attempts, by by creators to try to try to mute that have that effect don't work, you think that subscriptions are going to help to make it to help stabilize your income. But they don't, it's a fiction. Because just like I did this week, I

you're more, give more to give more, you would give more, I'm sure you would give them more

esalaam can just on principle, just on principle. And then the other the other one is I started an automatic boost, weekly boost to coder radio. Because Chris also got Chris Fisher also got on the show and said, Hey, are Linode sponsorship dropped? Oh, no, no,

they didn't renew that was big for them, too. Yeah, that's

a hard one. So I'm like, Okay, you're getting an auto boost every every week,

how are you doing the auto boost? How you doing that?

Just with a cron job. The same way I do with I've got four other shows that

I would love, I would love to have auto in the in the apps, I would be used to I wouldn't be using it. Well, but

that goes back to your point, which is if you talk to your audience, which is a critical piece of value for value, if you tell them what's going on. They that gives them the opportunity to come to your rescue and help you. And that's what that's exactly what but if you don't if you don't talk to your audience, they don't know. I mean, like we we just I mean, you gotta be you don't have to go ridiculous within post your

and to celebrate value for value and true podcasting, 2.0 cents and fashion. We're going to play a song. Hey, citizen,

some podcasts are special, and some are a bit of a bore. Some start with an ad read, you've probably heard them before. But some have a model that's tested and true. Where you get to pay whatever it's worth to you. I'm so grateful for that. All I want is to boost it right back. So I say thank you for the value that I've been given. Thanks for providing the means to listen free from any sponsors, you keep your integrity without posting a file on an RSS feed. So I say thank

And we'd like to support a citizen go back and listen to this and Todd friend or Piero caster and boostin we put the split in for the value times for the beautiful

sounds hilarious. Yeah, I didn't get a chuckle and my sets.

Yeah, I mean, I didn't ask for him to do that. Yeah, that's that's value for value. That's literally Why Why should Whoa 10,000 SATs from Dave Jones. Nice. Yeah, I

love this guy. So well, we'll talk about this more with with Alex next week, but he put in his seats at the boost bot and modified it to be like XMPP based into peer tube. Or not that it's not excuse me, it's not in peer tube. It's the code is not in there. It's running a separate process, but he hooked it into the XMPP room. So like if you go in, we're playing with it the other night. I was doing a live stream of some coding and he was and he was boosting into my peer Tube

you can basically plug it into everything right you can plug XMPP into everything.

Yeah, that does using IBANs boost bytecode and so which is another so he wanted to do a test today of the social interact tag because he wanted he wants he modified the boost bot to be able to boost the social interact tag so that it would then the boost would then come through on Mastodon or excuse me an activity pub right using that instead of just hard coded into activity pub.

Well I did put it in I put the the social interact tag in as requested.

Okay, I thought I was looking at it right before we went, I think in a theme he was saying something about it. He didn't think it was working, but I'm gonna go back and check real quick. We'll see he had a post. Maybe like just a few minutes before we pulled the trigger. So here it is. Looks like you added it. And it did not work the URL and it is bla bla bla which does not look like a valid post. Oh, yeah, if you click on the URL for the linter

Oh, why is that not Oh, that's sucks

How do you see that post? Yeah,

no, I see it. I see. Well, what did i What did I do wrong? Oh man, hold on a second.

Oh, this this linking to no agenda. So should that be on?

I see what happened. Ha second. Let me see. I can change this on the fly with it. Why not? Here we go. Really? Alright, hold on now. Do I? Yeah. Okay.

Why don't I just post something and you use it or you just use the one Did I post it? Don't use it.

That's probably better. Yeah, that was That was my mistake because I was trying to be fancy. Okay. I'll use the social interact for the one that running with scissors. Okay, hold on.

I'm so good at this. But it was the one this is my time for the board meeting one. Is that what it is? Yeah, that's one right. Okay. Okay.

click, Save, publish. Okay. Boom. All right. What are you laughing at?

I just love him because this is all being changed. We're being

crazy, baby. Crazy. Crazy. Alright, so now that should start showing up. Anything that happens now. Any booths, I guess would show up. Underneath the underneath your post time for the board meeting right now. I have

no idea. Dead behavior. undefined. I have no idea. That's the

idea. I believe so. But yeah, it has the idea. Yeah. So we'll have to would have to reload the feed, I guess to to get the changes. Changes.

Question. That is a big question, Mark. I don't know. I don't know how that I'm not sure where he's pulling stuff from either. They would have to be from our feed. But then like, how often does he refresh?

It's up. It's up there. I've done I've done the bidness. You did your part. I did. The Ben did my thing. Yeah, absolutely.

That quick. That thing we were talking about a while ago, though? I had. I had been thinking about this. You know, I'm glad I don't? Did you see that Pocket Casts raised their price for like, their premium thing to $39 a year? No, I'm like, nine.

I haven't followed pocket cat Pocket Cast, because they don't do anything they say they're gonna do. So sure.

But like, but I think I, I liked that they did this. Because I was thinking about if you add up so that like a lot of people were like, Oh, my gosh, 13 $40 a year? Whoa. But if you think about it, I mean, you're paying way more than that for like Disney plus, Paramount plus, HBO Max. I mean, you're paying 100 bucks a year minimum for those services. And think about how many hours of content you consume in podcasting versus those it's got it's at least equivalent. Now. I

understand I'm, but you know, Pocket Casts is just it's the platform is not, you know, they're not responsible for the content.

I just appreciate that they're raising the bar on what on what on the what the value of a podcast app in general is I think that'll lift all the boats a little bit.

I'm with you on that. But I think they would they would make more money if they went full on if they supported value for value. And they took me Oh, 5% or whatever. 10%. Do whatever you want. It's all worth it. To 100% 100%. Agree I would I would be more impressed with them. I'm not I'm just not that impressed me out there was supposed to they haven't done anything for the pod standards group, which as far as I'm concerned, is this as dead as the podcast industrial complex?

We did. I did. have a talk with Tom Rossi about the verification tag though. Speaking of podcast standards group, yeah. Or podcast, I think they're kind of podcast authorization tag.

Well, let me just go to their website for a moment. Let me look at the blog. Oh, look, it's still the original posts well done. And for all the noise man for all the noise. This is this is this is what always happens with these podcasts industrial complex type initiatives.

I just am loathe to criticize, because I know how difficult I know why they wanted to do it. And I know how hard it is to actually accomplish the thing they want to accomplish. Oh, it's not possible. That's what that's what you said at the beginning. You were like, This is not possible.

And I said, I support them. I said, and we supported them with us. I stopped the value split. I stopped that, you know, we're just giving them funding for not doing anything. So I mean, when when was this thing posted? There's not even a date on when this this blog post was posted. But this there's been nothing there's been 00 it's just zero. So I'm sorry, you know, it's like, I know how hard this is. You can't be done with it just can't.

It's hard. It's it is not just hard. It's almost impossible. You know, the only time it's see I just think that I don't know what I'm trying to get. I feel like the it's a they wanted a good thing and And the comparison was with, like the W three C three C standards group and places like that. And that's that is a no, that is a good comparison to make. Except I think there's apples and oranges there in this in this respect. The W three C standards group was made up of a very small

but the whole okay, what is the mission of the pod standards group? What is their mission

the same the same essential mission as what the W three C does is create standards and so that you have a spec for for podcast platforms and players to adhere to I disagree.

What I read everywhere is we want open podcasting, Apple and Spotify you should listen to us do participate with what we're doing over here, please. It's the same same stuff, waiting for the big companies to listen to the little guys. And it's never gonna happen. But let me tell you what did happen. Or what or what what is happening? No agenda. I'm looking at op three stats here. I think we we make up a large percentage of the op three stats, I think we have

I'm gonna say pod verse pod

verse 10%. Podcast addict was 7%. Then comes overcast with five then comes Pocket Casts with four. Then comes fountain with just a little bit under Pocket Casts. Then comes Google, Stitcher. castbox, etc. and why? Because we're working with the app developer not directly. I'm telling people use pod verse that's all I'm doing. Use pod verse you can listen live. It's pretty cool.

This no these no agenda stats, you're talking better podcasting. 2.0

no agenda stats. 10% for pod verse.

That's a lot. Yes. 10% Of a have 150 to 900,000 unique listeners. I mean, like how many how many unique listeners as you

say 921,900 21,000.

So that's that's almost 100,000 people using pod verse as their app as their

app of choice on a monthly basis. Yeah.

So you know, fantastic.

Yeah. So you know, I don't like sitting in groups. You know, I like doing I like doing so you know, Apple can do whatever they want. But eventually those numbers will overtake apple. They will. Now I'm starting to target women. It's a known fact that women

please so but that

it's a known fact that we Women use stuff on the web browser. So I'm like, No, this has to stop. We need to we need to get women using apps.

And women use stuff on the web browser men do to actually they we all use stuff yeah

but it's a known fact that more women

just the way you're wording things it's funny to me.

Does anyone I saw bought that or not I don't think anyone did that. I don't think the ISO bought it. Come on people were are Yeah, I still bought it. I still bought it. I bought it.

Did you give did you give Nathan Gaither is transcribed on FM the world?

I did. And I broke it. Of course. Yay. Well, it worked on a I did a one hour Korean the keeper that worked. But I noticed the SRT file which I use, I didn't want to mess with anything else. Didn't have speaker names. So. So I said, Hey, can you fix that he fixed it. And then I uploaded a no agenda. And that broke the system. Although he says yeah, it's still there, or whatever absorbed I don't know. But I'll try it again, the speed with which it did work for the for

Is there Nathan? Is there going to be an API for this? Because if there is, we'll just

be badass. Yeah, badass that just, you know, hook that into to sovereign feeds. That will do an automatic payment, you know, I set my payment amount now I do. Let me see I do 123456. So I do about 16 shows a month. Who's Am I saying that right? 1234 between 16 and 20. So, you know, I'll do 5000 SATs a show. It'll be a little bit more expensive than than otter, but you know, it'll be real money.

Oh, Nathan said he's already talking to Steven B about integrating with this was

so much I love that we need sovereign feeds on Star nine. My star I love the star nine guys. They're getting so close to being good.

So that's been good. Yeah, that would be a direct integration would be pretty nice. Because then you could just in the sovereign phase dashboard, you could just pop the transcript, let it finish and then upload altogether. Yep. Rather than having to have the web hook do all the work perfect. It'd be pretty nice.

So much fun. And have you seen being it.io?

You I've seen you send me links to it because I'll send you a an article and you're like, yep, Barton talked about it being it being in length.

It you know, so dread Bless his heart. He transcribed all 1568 no agenda episodes must have cost him a fortune, because I think he did on otter. So he transcribed every single one, we don't have no show notes, but maybe from Episode 300 on or something because a lot got lost. But very much like. So the difference with this between what Steven b Did the transcript tool.com You know, that only that can only look at transcripts that are in your feed. But what Dino did.

That's Oh, we get a I don't know if you're seeing maybe the maybe the cross outcome and boosting is maybe it is working now.

Oh, let me let me check. So I might be able to see that in the ceiling. Casting next is social.

Wow. Should this did it come in at some

real scissor stuff, man. Okay, let me see.

Maybe they're just testing. I'm not seeing it yet. Make sure Wait, no, I'm seeing it now. Yep. Yeah, there it came.

Where's it where's it? posting though,

so it's posting to well, it's coming through on podcast index dot social, but if that's the case, it will be attached to my root post which should also come through on the podcast index.

I don't see an on podcast index or social.

Go to my root posting refresh. That's what I just did. It is showing up for me.

Well, you're just better than me.

Negative i still

have Dred Scott there. Let me see refresh.

Oh, well, we're not we're not we're not showing the I don't know. You have to wait till after the show.

I don't I don't I only see drab saying we're live. That's all I see. You have something under that. I do have a bunch of boosts under that. I don't have anything under that.

I drive you a hard reflex.

What do you think I am a newbie.

Did you do Ctrl Shift? R

Yes. I don't know. Why is that not working from his work?

I'm seeing it.

Are they private? Is it private? Somehow? Maybe? Are they not? cbils in the world? No. It's so this is time time for the board meeting. We're running with scissors Live episode 139 We're hot as a firecracker that one. Yeah. And

then drips got response. He says we're live. Yeah. And I see nothing. And under that I see 1234 boosts or something

is something is wrong. Houston, we have a problem.

I don't know man. It's like it must be some sort of caching or something. It's gotta be stuff is hot.

I don't know why it's not showing for me.

Well, let me let me let me do a hard refresh. It's very sure that it didn't get deleted or something. When you get back down.

Those numbers will overtake apple. They will now I'm starting to target women. There we go.

Oh, wait, wait, wait. Now I'm stalking you. You're probably you probably clicked on dribs link go

oh no no no no bumped again. You take me for some new

tools because I'm not thinking about you. I just did it myself and was confused now.

I click I go to Dave Jones. I scroll down up your profile. And I click on and I actually see one plus so there's more than one. There should be more than one comment there. But when I click into it, I only see Drib it's maddening

maybe you maybe you've blocked the boost bot because it's free speech. Oh,

it's a base it's on the boost bot yeah the boost bot of course and I don't block it I muted for five days at a time.

Okay, so yeah, you've muted the boost

Okay, hold on. Let me let me hit the blue spot yes blue spot I got it. Blue spot when we

were anti-freeze page I'm not anti freeze

page. But don't we already have the blue spot in the block?

May be

Yeah, so don't know. Yes, we do have the boost bot and this is just coming from the boost bot

No no no no this is no this is different because that would just come through onto like that means they would get the SATs and it would go back out but then this is this is specifically boosting into the activity pup thread of the social inner ice

boosted for 20 sites boosted 100 sites boosted one on one on one sites.

Yeah, but that just yeah, like that's that's been hard coded just to go to podcast index not social but this thing boost into the social interact route post. Oh, okay. So that's that's the difference there. But I have which is cool because that means anybody that does this they'll they will get the boosts into their social interaction right you

know, actually we don't have that we don't have the boost button we have the fountain boost bot Okay, so it works

yeah, yes pretty rad. Wow.

Wow, that's cool.

This is this is all spreading and building out more and more into into this big distributed Super Chat.

I love it. It's this is nuts. We're doing naughty stuff everywhere doing naughty stuff. Oh my goodness. What do you what do you want to do? Do you want to do a I have I have another song that actually comes from becomes from ln beats. I think you want to play a song do you want to thank some people? What do you want to do?

Can cannot talk about something else? Yeah, not talk about the adult authorization tag real quick because I feel like we need to run down this for sure. So we we kept going back and forth. We've been going back and forth about this particular thing forever. So when they when no one Apple dropped email addresses out of their spec every you know everybody also dropped it. out of their feeds, and we don't have to rehash it, we know that that's a problem now. Yeah, as

die, everybody has to have all kinds of tools and stuff becomes a process. Now.

So because your WordPress blog is not going to expose an API for this, and let's just be honest. So that means everybody, those people, which is a lot, that's not an insignificant portion of the world, is going to have to fall back to TX to a code into txt, record that txt tag, which is

which you have to then put into into your feed.

Well, you you here's the idea, you wouldn't you wouldn't even put it in there. Oh, the hosting company would do that. Yeah, you can't you exactly you could call the

Okay, and you're gonna build this into the dashboard for podcast index.

Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. I will. I don't know if I'll be able to be the first to support it, but I will be early.

You know what's, what's so funny is you made this whole dashboard I haven't had a single request where I can use the dashboard yet. Why don't want a rescanning of the one? No, I know. Because if he didn't exist, the feed was wrong and there's a whole bunch of stuff was wrong. That guy was all wrong.

Okay. Can you real quick go back to your dashboard? Because I need to run this past you Sure. There

it Yep, I'm here. Okay. What am I importing?

Let me see if I can. Let's see real quick if I can find the one that I was wanting to throw at you.

Because this is another like, calculus test. See if I know what to do.

Yeah, okay. Do this. Okay, do this search for hardcore history. Just I just need to get you some content so that I can show you what this is.

Okay? Hardcore History Dan Carlin. Okay, okay, got

it. Okay, you see the DC the checkboxes by the numbers? By the feed IDs.

I mean, just go into Oh, yes, of course.

Okay. Alright, so just put a checkmark by any two. It doesn't matter in any to any time. Yeah. It should pop up with a new button. emerge. Yes. Nice. So if you if you were not going to actually do anything, but if you click the Merge button on one of them. Tell me what you think is happening here.

I'm not going to click it right because that could screw up part Dan Carlin's hardcore here, there's,

there's two confirmation dialogues you have to go through so you're not going to screw anything up. Because you're not going to go all the way through. If you just click the Merge button, okay, you should come up with something and I want you to try to I want you to tell me what you think is going to happen. Okay.

Do you want to merge Dan Carlin's Hardcore History agenda? Yes, that's exactly what I would expect to happen. I would expect the other the other fields to be merged into the one that I click the Merge button on.

Now, here's the here's the thing that I'm wondering about as far as confusion goes, because what happens when you do this is you're going to, you're gonna want your you have two fields. And you've chosen both of them. And you're going to, in some way, merge the two together. But one of them has to be the winner. One of them has to become the parents so to speak, right?

What I understand even from the dialog box is the one where I click the Merge button is the winner.

Thank you. Okay, that's what I needed to know. Because I was trying not to not to,

to lead the witness, you leave the witness?

I wanted to know if you if you picked up on the fact that when the one you hit merge on was the one that became the parent feed? Yes, that's the way that's the way I interpret Okay, that was what I was worried about. Because I didn't want people to get to just willy nilly get confused and not realize what was happening. Congratulations,

you win this beautiful.

Yes. Oprah, like Oprah here. I gotta pick tags. So cool, cool. That should work for you. But if you go, you can go through again and hit Confirm on that, and you should get even another box.

Okay. Another box? Does so please enter the correct feed? Are you really really sure? Okay. Yes. It's really, really making me do it.

Yeah. Okay. So you won't click, you will click no on this

is here's what's interesting. The URL shown here is not the one of the data to correct because I click the one with feeds dot Feedburner. And so I would want

you can see here, you can paste any Feed URL into this

right, but but so what is this? What is this? So, whereas I agreed with what it told me now, it's telling me something I don't like, I would expect this to be the winning feed, which would be the feeds dot feed burner.

So let me tell you why that's not happening. Okay. It's a bug. It's not a bug. It's a feature. Oh, the the reason that is not happening is because the most common scenario that happens is the phone. Yeah, gotcha. Yeah, you you want to preserve you have you have two feeds. One will have an iTunes ID attached and the wrong URL. And the next one, the the one you're wanting to get rid of has no iTunes ID and the correct URL.

These both have iTunes IDs that I'm doing here.

That's another problem. That's another scenario that is that is unsupported right now. Most common, the most common and this is the most common scenario is is the one I described where you have one that has an iTunes ID and the wrong URL. Oh, and another one that has the no iTunes ID and a correct URL. And you can merge the two together such that the one that has no iTunes ID, but the correct URL gets deleted. And point and now there's a pointer dropped to the correct

it's like a loaded gun.

Not because of you, but just because of the nature of what

a loaded gun ladies and gentlemen it's a flame thrower. I love it. What could possibly go wrong? Give the loaded gun to the child? Yeah.

I was thinking about like, like Steven crater sent the, the little What do you call it? Like the, the genealogy thing where you like to use these properties and these properties? And then I started going through that. And I'm like, No, that's not really going to work. Because it doesn't matter what properties I do. As soon as you've set the feed URL and re and the last step of that process is a reset on the feed. Yeah, it's gonna blow all that stuff when stuck

well, I'll be very careful. I'm gonna go very, very slow with anything I do. If they if I have questions. I will ask I will ask. Let's, let's thank a couple people who have been boosting us. Okay, because we got a lot but poker 1000 panning my wallet to Edward Scissorhands. Exactly. That's it's fun. A lot of this sounds like Sam Sethi 10101. Shot Caller 20 is Blaze only Impala. I thought I had the one of Sam where's our where's our shorter baller and the shorter baller

Yeah, he's a state hurrying, brokering off the books do whatever for

oil, whatever he's doing. The bot whisper 1000 SATs testing boost bought cross app commenting from pod friend boosts. Yes. All seems to be working is fantastic. See which one on 101 from the podcast index cross app comments are lit. Got tastebuds with 100 ITM Thank you. A white mic with 333 tests test for a troll chimp. We got another C bugs with C dubs with 420 from podcasts index another test. poking the bot is that okay, this is all test 2112 1000 from Dred Scott

I like I like an anonymous curio cast.

That's very cool. Thank you so much. These are the ones that came in, just in in the last two hours during the show. Dave Have you been able to query the database and grab some did you get the paper? Does your email working? Oh,

I don't know. Let me check. Let's see. Where's my email? Is it Thunderbird Come on?

Well hold on a second you know what's interesting is I believe I be we've I'm no so your your email is tied into the system. So it's not going to email me because I'm on I'm on the booster gram emails but I guess your your email has to be working for me to receive them

Do you wait a second. Are you saying that when I do the booster gram dump each week you get them to?

I sure do. You do? Yeah. Because I'm a guest I'm on the give at podcast index.org alias

so you get so when I when I do the dump at like 12 Noon roughly on a Friday you get all sudden you get a blitz of booster gram emails. Yes. And no. They did. Dumps dumps big massive dumps the boosted dump. I did not realize that I was spamming your your email with booster No, I sorry,

because I have a folder set up for that. So can you spam me and I can read them?

I can't do it from here. No. I've as I've solved this problem. I've got a text. I've got a text file downloaded. Yes. But

no Pay Pal. So we don't have PayPals.

Wait, let me try to log into PayPal.

That's gonna be fun. This is very, very well prepared show.

Both great. Yeah. I realized as as I'm trying to log into PayPal, I realized that the on the website happening. Okay. Give it podcast index. Yeah. So I realized that on the podcast index website across that comments show for the regular episodes, but they don't show under the live. So that means I have work to do. Okay. Okay. All right. Think do I have what was the last show was that's 23rd. Yes. That was 23rd. All right. Cool. All right. I think I'm good to go. Well, I'm good.

All right. Well, let it rip.

These these are all mixed together because they're monthlies end.

Okay, we'll just thank everybody appropriately. Yeah. Michael Kimmer

$5.33. Thank you, Michael. dribs got $15 Thank you. Drib Aaron Renaud $5 Pedro gan calvess. $5. Thank you, Pedro. Thank you. And let's see, let me make sure I gotta click into this one real quick, because Kevin Bay sent us $3. And he had a note. Let's see what it says. He says, Oh, he says first monthly payment from the endowment fund.

Oh, that's right. I loved the idea. Thank you very much.

This is cool. I like this. This would be fun to watch. You're gonna last forever. Yeah, it is till we die. Okay, so that's it. That's it. That's all the PayPal.

Oh, okay. Well, thank you. Thank you for your fun coupon people. Now let's go to our booster grams.

Now get the fun of trying to read this delta. txt file which is going to be fantastic. Because it's all run together in one big mush. Okay. See if I can do this. See Dubs. 1010 SATs. It says boost bot is rolling out support for cross app comments.

Yeah, obviously we got it. Yes, it's working. We love it. Boost. If you

boost an item law have item which contains a social interact tag to a Macedon post it will post those boosts as comments and it works perfectly that's airhead 2112 a rush boost he says slip through the board meeting again. Boost bots new activity post functionality

I slept through it slept at the board meeting

man what I did a did a horrible thing here I used the more command instead of the last command so I cannot arrow back up all right now again the so fixed. Alright. Lincoln 1000 says the pod verse he says a sick tune and I'm not sure which tune that was but I guess it was the

must have been from the last show. Yeah, which one that was like a techno type thing or no, that was not the bubblegum pop the one that our guest Steven crater

T select Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah. Joel ws secular central Richardson fountain. Thank you job.

1111. Thank you.

We see we got Oh, Alice gates. Oh, thank you, Alex. Sir Alice gates, the podcasting. 2.0 consultant. 57,910 SATs through pod versus pod verse. VTS testing.

Nice. Boost. Thank you. Thank you, Alex.

Kevin Finn from Buzzsprout 50,000 SATs the

charismatic. Nice. Thank you, Kevin.

He says I think you guys are being hard on AI is valued to podcasters one month in and I'm pretty sure Buzzsprout new AI workflow is pushing more namespace compliant transcripts and chapters than any other publisher. I do agree. Oh,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I just like humans. That's all

all fully editable by the podcaster I'm listening to this episode on Saturday evening and there are still no chapters sure seems like aI chapters would be better than nothing until Drib has a chance to do his magic hoo hoo

bastard wow no blow blow that is uncalled for. Roughness yell at you okay so you make a point All right. All right. We may even get big get the

source de 17 101 SAS through pod verse he says go live demos and debugging.

We try

lots of that on this show. Over citadel 50,000 SATs mounted no note thank you

Albert Citadel stream Thank you very much

5000 SATs from been through pod verse no note thank you button. Use no test boost. Sam Sethi Senate test boost a bunch of them 61 says looks like he's doing some streaming. Boo. Boost. Thanks, Sam. Ope 16,969 SAS from a citizen

well first you go hey citizen known from the thank you for the value song.

When Dave tries to describe a deep philosophical and abstract concept you can feel the fabric of reality itself shifting is it doesn't sound like an accomplishment. This sounds like you know

dread actually did the chapters from field day he was out practicing his practicing his ham skills. Oh

that I did not realize until last week when I saw him comment that he was a big ham.

You know it was really cool. The ham radio community Dare I say is set up to such a degree that I got a phone call and I see it's a 512 it's a Austin number and it's and it's not a spam call because it has a name attached I pick it up and get this big booming voice yeah hello this is I have a message from the 70 to 90 traffic net for Quito five Alpha. Charlie Charlie. Like yeah, sure.

Intimidated Yes.

From Juliet kilo Tango to zero I'm on field day or ITM though it was in the morning from field day in central New York. JK two T two zero so the way it works is someone in New York got onto the 7290 traffic net. They that being said I have a message the message is for Adam curry in in Central Texas in Fredericksburg. They then take the message find my number and

SEC lookup right

yes and then pass the nut and pass the message. I love that system. hams are going to save the world man when the apocalypse comes. Right?

We'll get us somehow figured out how to attach boost boosts

the first boost through ham radio that's what I'm looking for

the boost bot the boost bot RS bags MPP

Yeah, we can do it. He takes MPP to the boost bot I'm sure we can do it.

Yep. H MPP. Oh, see, hey, citizens, messengers. When Dave tries to describe a deep philosophical and abstract concept, you can feel the fabric of reality is still shifting. And when Adam says oh, it's like my wife's text message. The fabric of reality shifts a little bit more. Thank you for your carriage

thank you for your courage.

Anonymous roadex 2222 through cast thematic got a couple of those Thank you Anonymous We got a few more than these through these look like some streams oh here we go call McCormick 5492 through fountain he says missioning own your.com My mom would tell me this and said it'd be super important in the future back when I was in high school 2015 I didn't really think about it until Adam brought it up Mom was right

right Listen to your mom Cole always always listened to your mom.

And for everybody who hasn't call your mom yeah, right away. Grab Scott 107,373 says

oh dread dread

through curio caster so of course because it's through curio caster something weird get the reply address. Oh by key and the reply value and every time I see that it reminds me of the languishing hella pad that I have got to get back to I can't

wait. I can't wait to start returning some boosts

boosting to call out day for having a long expired ham callsign.

Ham bad ham,

KC for NSA. When I boosted from field day last week, I heard they threw out his callsign Casey for next a while Adam was reading booster grams, so of course, I had to look it up. Looks like it expired back in the year. 2000. That

is correct. Yes. Dave. Dave, Dave,

perhaps just a y2k bug. Dave and all your spare time you need to get licensed again. My six year old is studying for her license. If she can do it. So can you

drill? I know you can do it.

We know is a subtle slam from the I'd like

the boost reply first before you get your ham license. I'll pass on the message is keto five Alpha. Charlie, Charlie. I'll call Dave.

Don't you know that ham radio is going to save the world right now.

Where is that thing? Hold on and save the world. Here it is. When the apocalypse comes where the guys who are gone to save the world. Right. Right. Right.

Borlaug won a 101 Nice five verse he says always grateful for the two of you and all the others who do some of the heavy lifting in this community. It's an amazing group. Yes, it is. Mere Mortals. Karen 4444. That's to Rosa ducks, evidently fountain. He says sending in extra as thanks today for the value tag help. Also big shout out to Todd at blueberry for helping me with the live tag. Whenever there's a boost nearby is it Where did that come from?

I just hit I get boosts whenever there's a boost nearby. Which is I'm just pushing buttons. I think that may be a clip that I did, I think yes, I like it though. It's kind of cool.

We all joke around about the scissors but a big kudos to everyone creating and implementing tags. This stuff is not easy, but it's hella fun. Hopefully the bread the newly branded value for value podcast will be live next week. Fingers crossed goose BABY Yay Oh, there we go. It's the delimiter delimiter Yeah, comic strip blogger nice 30 3015 through fountain 80 says howdy David Adam. Please invite your audience to visit my cartoons at WWW dot CSB dot lol go podcasting yo CSB go podcast

Why don't we play one quick song and then we'll say goodbye? What do you say? Yeah, please everybody switch over to curio caster or if you're listening to this after the fact curio caster and pod friend and boost boost boost. So we can hit the top of wavelength with Ally Mitchell when this is over.

The way of making. Change

used to Hello

You This is worse way you feel

completely trippin balls on this song

that was like so chill but it

was it had a little bit of Prince kind of vibe little Lenny Kravitz I don't know I just I kind of I kind of dug it

that is a read tune who was the artist

ally Mitchell a li Mitchell and the title is when it's over W E N for some reason when the when this is over I'm sorry and let's boost this let's boost him because he's also I think on wavelength so I love putting the songs into the top on wave Lake hoping one day wave local go oh yeah we should do something again. Yeah just the thought

the so that it maybe it's two weeks ago three weeks ago I don't remember when it was you played long D

Yes. He's got a you got five songs in the top 40 Now, yeah.

underclass underclass. Yes. Yeah, you played underclass and which is a red song, by the way and then in like, so it was in my head in my head in my head and up and I've been playing, I've been doing more playing more drums, I pick them back up later. And so I'm like, I'm like, I'm gonna I'm just gonna jam along with the song. So I started I was playing Dre. That is a hard drum song. Oh, really? Challenging.

Oh, interesting. Interesting, interesting. Value for value. That's, that's what we're promoting here. That's my guess you just say music 2.0 Or value m value music value. When you boost this podcast when the song is playing those sets go to the artist. And that'll be another thing that Dave's going to put into helipads so we can actually see that how much went to the artist? I'm not holding my breath because I'll be dead.

No disproportionate use of force so

it's okay. I understand me I understand the streaming videos very important. I know. I know. I know what has it is not a douche bag.

I'm sending you love. I gave you a dashboard.

I love my dashboard. I haven't been able to use it yet. Could people please give me some problems? I need some problems to solve like I want a problem.

I'm giving him a bet to give you a magic button on the dashboard. Today I'm doing that today. What

is the magic button do

the magic button says give me some dupes. And it's gonna just you're gonna you're gonna be able to click the button.

Oh, cool. Oh, I like that. Very cool. Okay.

Yeah, with all your spare time. You can just duplicate the entire index. Yay. Sounds like great fun.

Oh, wow, brother. Anything else before we cut out of here and get the weekend started?

No, I'm feeling good. Okay, well.

I'm feeling good too. I'm going to play With this duo caster the road caster do I'm gonna get it all set up and I'll give that a whirl maybe next week

and things still is I think still it's a little much in it a little bit of like I feel like it's a little bit too much money for what it is. Is that Is that fair? 499 Yeah, no it's like it should be closer to $400

it's worth every penny I'd pay I'd pay 1000 for each of these boxes I have struggled for decades trying to get in in one device with these guys have done

okay, here's what I'm really asking you should I buy or do I need to buy one of these? Well I mean I need to buy the duo

well you know I mean I make you sound good so you don't have to worry about it but if you like gear and and a you got to do more of your streaming stuff.

Yeah if

you want to have little pads to do little little jingles and stuff, you know if you want to have that kind of action

I do want to have I do like Pat I want I want little pain

you should get it man go out on a limb you can deduct it it's tax deductible. Oh, yes, yes,

yeah, it up. Later in the year when we get down to tax we get down the wire and you need to grab an extra.

There you go. That's what you got to do. That's it. That's it. Hey, chat room. Thank you very much everybody watching Dave stream. Alex and Egghead Thank you very much and we do have three people watching which is those two guys have aid

in the top,

the top on peer to top streamer. Thank you all very much for listening boost boost particularly for the artists for ally Mitchell and for Hey citizen. Thank you all so much for listening. And come on back next Friday. We'll do another board meeting podcasting. 2.0 See you then brother. To me. Alright everybody take care bye bye.

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