Episode 137: Wonk Factor

podcasting 2.0 for June 16 2023, episode 137 one factor Oh Well hello everybody. Welcome to the official board meaning of podcasting. 2.0 Yes, we are the only boardroom without a corporate corporate identity or even an HR department for that matter. I hope you're ready to talk about all things namespace all things podcasts index.org And of course everything we're discussing in podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in

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Star Trek convention. Yeah, but not a furry convention. No.

By the way pig butchering that is a real thing and it is what it is widespread is out of control. Oh yeah.

Did you hear that on? I think it was two shows ago on no agenda, which we started texting back. And they're like, oh, call me quick. And then they call them they would hang up. I was ready to add to the board and everything I was once super excited.

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no, this is this is on purpose. This is Alex we're testing Alex's new fancy new Yeah, let's squared exactly faster new what? fancy new low latency peer tube so like this is only so the video is supposed to be the one we tested it the other night. Yeah, he enabled low latency on it which reduces the size of the HLS like chunk buffer so that you have a phat you know you you're not the you can get get the next chunk out

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especially for videos pretty good.

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Is that where you're running? The What are you running on the on the on the Linode VM.

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hear music I hear something.

Oh, you did? Oh, that's my way. Hang on a sec. See?

See this. It always screws everything.

That's my daughter playing the kid stopped the show. I gotta I gotta tell you I could knock it off.

Now. It's okay. Don't worry about it. If she's playing, that's fine. As long as if it's her then at least I know what it is. I just keep hearing it like in the background like What am I hearing? Did you actually ran to tell her to knock it off? I can't believe that. Daddy's doing a podcast. Oh, goodness. Well, I don't know what we're going to do. Oh, we're waiting for Dave to come back. This is kind of weird. GT IDs. Do

you hear how did you hear that? And I didn't. I think I was talking and I had my headphones out. I think I could hear myself so loud that I didn't even hear the piano

piano. I was doing the show with Tina the other night and I'm hearing a buzz when she's talking. I'm hearing it. And she doesn't hear it. People who listen to the show can't hear it, but I hear it. What I knew what I need to learn is to not not obsess over it. That's my problem. Not really. I'm obsessing

Ah, you said you said I hear music and then I was a pause for a second and I'm like, yeah, here to it. It was right next to me in the room next.

Now, did you beat her senseless or what did you do

now? To beat her said just one backhand was all

heard about you guys and Alabama that and oh, no, you don't want to hurt him. Wow, sorry if that triggered anybody didn't meet you be careful. All right, let's talk about triggering. Let's get another way right away right now. Everybody hair on fire run around value for value is gonna die. Apple app. Oh yeah. Oh my goodness. What

do you want? Do you want to give me your your immediate thoughts? Or do you? What do you how do you want to? Well, let's structure this conversation. Yeah,

why don't we explain what happened first? There was a tweet how you know, when it when a tweet goes out, especially once a screenshot, then you know something's up. It's gonna It's everyone's gonna get all spun up over it. And then this was in the initial tweet from Domus I think it's pronounced Domus

as in Nostradamus, Nostradamus? Yeah, there

you go, which is a app for the noster noster protocol, I guess I could say, because not really a network nostril protocol. More most notably, the one that I think Jack Dorsey sponsors, if I'm

correct, sponsors, as in getting a whole bunch, give him give him money.

Yeah, Bitcoin to do it. I think it's one Dev. And so first, he got a note from that he got kicked back saying that he had violated 3.1 dot one of the guidelines. And it didn't it was you know, without much other context. And then the follow up was not a screenshot, but was his interpretation. And they said, Well, the issue is with zaps, and I can't have zaps on individual posts, it can only be on profiles. Right now, what is interesting is this was immediately equated to a hotel

possibly could sell digital content using this method? Yes.

And it's the endless discussion of what is in app currency. What is digital content? I don't know if we, if you and I need to rehash that. I think what we need to remind everybody is a couple things. One, Apple is a shit coin. Come on, you know, you use Apple, you're in you build your own jail around you. This is not like a surprise. This is not the first app that that's been, you know, this that's had an issue. I mean, there's the 100 million dollar lawsuits with Epic Games,

I would say I would say that we we have that's one of it's sort of baked into the mission of all of this is to find ways around all of this kinds of the kind of junk. I thought about this. Yeah. Yeah. And I will. Peter, there's a bigger discussion. But I mean, I think I think we can find if if, if Apple were to, you know, extend its arm over podcasting 2.0 apps and kill value for value out of the App Store apps out of their platform? i Yeah, it would be annoying, and it

Definitely. Well, first of all, there's the entire if you look at smartphones in general, there are more Android phones in the world than than iPhones. Is this incessant? You know, of course, the richest people in the world are the ones who have iPhones. Yeah, that's true. You are the you are the 1% of the of the rich class in America. A couple of things about and I really liked it, the lb guys linked to value for value dot info, that's a good site to come learn what the true

all of Yeah, exactly. I've had I've had 100 thoughts on how to do it as well. And that, like, there's just so there's so when all you when you focus on, what is the problem that you're trying to solve? There's 100 ways around it. It doesn't have to be, to me the, the button in the app is the most elegant, straightforward way to do it. But if that's taken away from us from some external thing that we can't control in one platform, it's just not the end of the world. I'm not worried about it.

Exactly. I mean, we've we've gotten people to use these apps. And that was the big change right there. Yeah, just to get people to switch to a different app is much harder them You know, oh, now you have an inconvenience. But again, I, to me, it's just like, do you not I mean, these are guidelines, these are not laws, pure like this is, according to your own guidelines, it should be allowed. They can change that tomorrow if they wake up and want to. That's not one of ourselves.

I want to say that, because a lot of this stuff a lot, there's a lot of things happening. Twitter and Reddit both increasing the cost of their API, which killed third party apps. That was, that's a big thing that's going on right now, you know, red is going dark, all this kind of stuff.

Because people are lazy and don't want to do anything. Do something yourself and make it work for them.

We have to understand just just as, as a culture as as a generation here, we have to understand that this all of this stuff that we have been enjoying and in, in our brains have been destroyed by for the last 15 to 20 years, this is all about to change. The entire landscape of big tech is radically changing as we speak, Oh,

I love it. When you talk dirty like this, tell us more.

When you actually have to make money, everything changes. And so Reddit, they don't have a choice, they have got to make money, and they are going in they're going to do it. And you know what, it's going to be just fine. Because we saw this with Twitter, Twitter had 8000 employees, now they have 1500. And you know, what's changed? Nothing, absolutely nothing. Except they're closer to making money than they ever were before. They're still not profitable. And yet, they're

I mean, I think even if you look at the terms of service, you kind of don't own anything. Yes. I mean, you know, they could they can expire the certificates for the apps, they can do whatever they want. You bought an app? Yeah, I'm not really, you don't really own that app, we can remove that from your mirror when they were moved. Was that to me was Amazon

1980s 1982.

The Kindle from the Kindle, which was the most ironic thing ever? Yeah, yeah. I mean, this so people forget this.

It's even worse. It's it's even worse than it's even worse than red is it? So Apple is the iPhone has just read it. But it's actually even worse. Because it's ideological more than it is monetary. At least with Twitter and Reddit, the issue was purely being able to afford the cost of the API and make a profit, right with Apple. They were they've been the most profitable company in the universe for many, many, many years. It's not about profit within

Apple, Apple doesn't need to keep up appearances. I mean, you know, they're expecting to sell 20% Less iPhones in the US, they have to up their you know, they have to keep their service money going. So it's not unimportant, let's put it that

way. It's, it is a very sir, service, 70% of the revenue of the App Store is from games. And almost 70% of that revenue is from in app purchases. So you're only talking about a a small portion of of the pie there. So this, what we're talking about with fat, you know, value for value payments, or damos, or any of these. That's a very small amount of a very small sliver of what they would make with what Apple saying what Reddit is saying is, we got it, we got to

a shit coin. That's exactly what they are. They're just a sheer coin. It's and that's okay. But I'm just surprised. Everyone gets apple, the apple. Tim Tim Cook. No, he's seen the writing on the wall. No man. Yeah, how long I left Apple iPhone with the six and went to graphene OS. And now I'm barely even on that now. I'm just back to my computer, which, except for the studio computer, unfortunately, is everything's Linux. I love this.

I guess I'm technically on Android. Technically,

with a light phone. Yeah, technically, it's Android under under,

even though it's way, way, way, way down under the covers. But that's obviously the

the open source code. I mean, anybody can use that anybody can create that. And

I will say this once. One thing that we net, we've seen these Apple developer Apple versus indie developers disputes before. They've played out many times in public. In one thing that Apple is very, has always been this way. They're very nervous about bad public relations. They don't like bad PR. They'd rather not deal with it. But they do want to save face. I think that the ultimate resolution that happened with with Domus was a combination of them wanting to not getting

you really think you really think they care about saving face.

That's been proven time and time again, like they, there's a there was a thing with the developer of an app called Paul that had API that would give you it was kind of like postman, for the Mac, it would give you API access. And it had a bunch of documentation baked into and all that public spat with them. And it was very clear in that, that they were trying not to make people angry. But but then they also had to like,

Hmm, I think that was the problem all along. Looking at the change log, the change was zaps only, which means according to the letter of the of the of their made up rules. That a tip or donation has to be optional. And this kind of didn't make it optional. If someone could force you into doing this, and you know, the it's not about Dominus, I don't they don't care. It's about the 100 million dollar, other

description. Yeah, it was my favorite. We could mean you were going back and forth about that thing when it happened. We're like, you're like Apple's law firm.

Right out about that. So yeah, no, I'm not too worried about again, value for value value for value dot info. It's a mindset. West, we were talking with Martin from pod friend on the show on in the boardroom last week. He says, you know, value for value that's in the community. You know, people just helping out people doing stuff. There's none of that stops. None of that goes away. That do I love automated value transfers. Yeah, of course. It's not going to stop.

web apps work on on the iPhone, and it's pretty clean experience. It's not. Yeah, I know. I know. There's limitations, but like my kids will send me like a tick tock video. something pops up in a progressive web app. Oh, really. And it's pretty impressive what they can do. Here's my here's my thing, though PW A's out, Apple has already established that going outside of their payment system. If you're still on their platform is going to be a problem. They will still come

purchase. That's only in the Netherlands or all of the EU.

My understanding is it's only in the Netherlands. Hmm. But then, but what Apple said, but they never said they weren't going to take their 30%. What they do now is they just bill you, you still have to pay the 30%. Really, you get to use your own credit card system. But you still have to pay Apple. Let me

see. To comply with an order from the Netherlands authority for consumers and markets. Yes, developers distributing dating apps on the Netherlands App Store can choose one of the following one, continue using Apple's in app purchase system to use a third party payment system within the app three include an in app link directing users to developers website to complete the purchase or for use a third party payment system within the app and include the link okay. Let me see.

Nathan said it's not 30% is 27%.

Okay, now, interesting. I didn't even know that. Oh, I do. I do know that the EU is now they're threatening to make, you know, to say Apple is just completely anti competitive. You have to have a third. You know, none of it matters. It'll happen you're gonna get screwed no matter what. If it comes down to money, you don't no one cares about you. This one thing you and I were going back and forth about I don't it's as friendly as some of the Apple Apple people or

only which word? Yeah, that was a terrible decision.

Yeah, mistake mistake.

Yeah, I mean, just call it just call it only pay me money or something like that. And I would have

been better it's Friday. I'm feeling good. You want to play some music? I feel like

he was the selector of this music

Well first of all, I want to thank tone record for giving us some He's made us a little Friday kind of music bed jingle thing which I want to get out of the way which is really good. Scissors Yeah, baby. We're running with the scissors.

I like the like this

guy. Oh, yeah. I have to see now this is why I played the jingle because I got the stab or the stinger or the whatever you want to call. I got it set up to go into our song for today. So we'll sound just like a disc jockey on a radio station.

Oh man, you're pro. Yeah, well, I

try. So Stephen B sent me a suggestion which he sent through Ellen beats lm beats.com Which I did like but then as I was fooling around and lm beats.com I came across something else which kind of just felt like oh, this is what I really want to do for for the Friday show. So instead of his selection I'm going to play something else now. If you're listening to this as a podcast recorded and distributed if

We may find out today because I put that information into the thing that dumps out to show me the boost to read so Okay, good. We may see we may see in a surprise participant

now if you're listening live through. I don't know if Martin has set up pod friend to do this live yet. But for sure karaoke faster so let's just stick with that for now until we hear differently you will actually see the album art change the minute we played this song, the value block switches to the artist to the to the musician, and that's where all of your streaming SATs and your booster grams will go. So consider doing that just to make this artists happy and get more

Wiley Ellis gay says I don't associate with someone who uses FaceTime as a verb.

Can you say that in the song as you say FaceTime?

No, I don't know that just just a

non sequitur. Okay, oh, those guys aren't even listening and doing something else all together.

I've got three different chats going I'm losing my mind.

And I that's probably hosted a wavelength. I think, by the way, the sovereign feeds what Stephen B has done here is pretty badass. He now has basically little playout system inside the inside the app so you can play the songs straight from sovereign feeds. Of course, it'll synchronize everything and put all the the value time split in the in the right place. He has a you can add that you can create a value block. So what we were talking about on the last show, I mean,

I need to I need to go check that as the I don't ever I don't I don't have a reason to use sovereign feet so I don't ever log into it because I don't I don't post I don't host a show right so I don't I never see the dashboard experience of what this is. And I especially need to go and check out like the whole sinking live thing. Like I can't get in my head like what you're doing when you're doing this.

Well I'm doing a lot of things that I don't want you to know about but I'm glad you're that's no cameras for me brother. You really need to check it I mean, my biggest fear is Steven B keels over one day this thing's gone that's my that's my that's honest to god that's my biggest fear. I would love to have sovereign feeds sovereignly hosted happy to me I think we already give them 10% of our value block don't we? I

isn't made me if you keep talking like that? I'm gonna You're gonna make me buy one of these.

It's so the thing is it's so solid. It's like it just it just works. It's just always there. You know this. It's not wonky, and I love Umbro. But it's constant gotta walk factor, particularly for a walk factor

that do the show title.

thing, so I'm writing it down.

Yeah, I'm gonna have to buy one of these things. Yeah. I mean, because I love I love the I love the Umbral that you just keep talking so highly of this thing. I feel like now I'm getting FOMO.

Yeah, well, you can you can put it on your own hardware. Yeah, it's an it's an OS. That's what I like about it. You know? So if you if you just load this on your own hardware, it loads like a like an OS, you I guess you could technically even run it into Vm.

I wonder what is doing under the covers? I wonder if I would like to, for somebody to tell me whether I wonder if it's like flat pack or some sort of like Nix OS type deal? I don't know. I don't know. I would, I would love to, for somebody to tell me what that's doing. Because you said it's not Docker?

No, no, no, no, it's they built an actual OS, you do have to package up your your application. I'm not quite sure what that means. But we got helipad on there we have IPFS podcasting that's on there, which I've also learned something about. So IPFS it seems that now kind of the way to do things since the IPFS protocol, although supported in some browsers, you know, and clearly no app said, Oh, Adam, we love what you're doing, we're gonna implement that. So they

So that means like, when you say gateway, you're talking about like, why Cloudflare runs?

Well, like ipfs.io? Oh, yeah, I guess doesn't Cloudflare also run an IPFS? Gateway? Yeah,

I think they do. I wasn't familiar with the term gateway. But I think I think

it's called the gay that what that is, yeah. So you can pull it out. You can can pull anything out, as long as you have the hash, you can pull it out of there on HTTP, or HTTPS, whatever it is. Yeah. Which is interesting. Now, of course, and I know that Cameron was talking to Steven B to implement this into sovereign feeds, where I would publish, and then it would, they would ping IPFS get the hash, ping it bring it back in, add that into an alternate enclosure. What I

Yes, so does IPA does the IPF IPFS podcast you running it on your star nine right now? Yes, I am. So does that app create? Does it try to serve the feed and the enclosure over IPFS or just the enclosure?

Ah, hold on. That's a good question. I think IPFS podcast if I'm not mistaken. I think IPFS podcasting.net creates an IPFS podcasting.net Feed I believe let me say, let me just. And then from that, which I don't think that parts host, and when we did have camera on me, I'm struggling here to explain the stuff that I've just been running it and I just see that people are using it. But I think ultimately you can subscribe to a you can subscribe to an IPFS RSS feed. I

It'll it'll work,

I guess. I guess. I can submit this feed to the to the index. It's just it'll show up. I don't think it'll show up. As it'll won't say IPFS version will probably just be a replica be a dupe which will come suck. Let me see what

the. And it's funny because I'm almost like a purist with this. Where it's almost like I don't want to do IPFS at all, unless you can do all all IPFS all the way down to the bottom, like seed enclosure, all of it. Yeah, what I understand that your feeds still come in from HTTP in your enclosures are from IPFS? I don't know, it seems, it seems like a cheat. No, they're not saying it is. But it seems that Well, they're

both they're both going to come over HTTP. Yeah. So the, the title of the feed remains the same party. So it's just copied one for one, the only thing that changes is the enclosure URLs. And so there you get a hash, but it's not it's not an IPFS protocol. It's the HTTP protocol and it has one of those revolving gateways. Okay, which is, which basically makes you rely on you know, rely on the rest of the world. I guess. Yeah, so here it is. Um, oh, wow. Okay, I'm sorry. Take that

Where are you seeing this

in my feet in the in the podcasting 2.0 Feed. Oh, really? Almost. I'm gonna give this to you right now. I'm gonna jack this into the trap chat room too. There you go. Chat Room. Oh, does that oh, that

that's a file link. Yeah, that will work. On your D drive.

Everyone talked to my D drive for a minute.

Everybody see the file just go back

slash he made me sound like a douche. Alright, hold on. That's all right. Hey, I used to have a D drive. Okay.

Yes. Oh there too. Okay, here we go. Happy offense podcasting. Done it. opened this link

Yeah, it'll probably do well,

let's see me excuse me got a style sheet with him. Yeah, baby. Yeah, well, I'm just vertical.

So you know, maybe we just throw that into the into the index as a as a secondary feed except it would have to have a different title. But it updates on the fly. It updates whenever I update. I don't know. I might even be listening to pod ping for all I know. No cameras cameras out there.

Let's see I see it. Puck is he has got everything is got everything in it. Let's see. That's the lettuce. It's got the it's got to live it. Where's this? Where's the alternate enclosure? Okay, here's here's the here's the here's the enclosure. Alternate enclosure. Hey, yeah. Wow, that's, that's pretty rad.

So I look at his stats here. 74 IPFS nodes hosting 15,250 episodes from 331 feeds worldwide. Currently. There's something here and the fact that it's using alternate enclosure is kind of badass.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I've I feel bad because I just jettisoned my whole concept of IPFS. But when we had such a problem with delivering the database that way, yeah, it had to kind of give up on it. But I don't know maybe I'm stumped. I was kind of tired of getting burned by it. So I was just like screw I'm not doing this anymore. I hear ya, I hear Yeah, but maybe maybe it's time to go back and visit that and see how reliable it is.

I mean, the stuff works. I mean, you hit one of those enclosure links, it'll, it'll, it'll work. It's pretty quick. I haven't had any issues. I mean, I'd like to try it with no agenda, she would happens yeah.

You're always gonna have some nut some nut jobs out there that are willing to try this stuff.

I'm just saying that, you know, when I think of, you know, combining sovereign feeds with IPFS podcasting, I don't know, you know, just I just feels like there's something there feels like new for people who want to who want to live free and independent. And you have this dashboard that Steven B is building is beautiful. And this is this is serious. This is serious little tool here. Which as I said, if it goes away, my life is over. I mean, I lose a lot here. I learned we

have to man do we have key man insurance? You gotta we

better keep man insurance. I love key man insurance. Yeah. So

that was phase six is in the can officially

no one was the voting.

It happened very quickly. You so fast you didn't.

Okay, so we have in phase six in the camp and I saw someone post on podcast index dot social that they were all working on stuff that has nothing to do with phase six.

Nothing's nothing's ever good enough for you.

So what do we have? For sure for sure in phase six now?

Oh, you caught me. You caught me off guard. Yeah, I

mean, I don't want to I don't want to turn this into any hot namespace talk. But if he could just get a,

you don't want to turn it into that? Well, I want to turn it into that.

Okay, if you want that.

And now it's time for someone to be hot namespace talk the switch.

Dim the lights now.

darks. namespace? Let's see what we got here. We got a TXT record. A remote item. Pod roll, update frequency, pod ping. And value time split. Nice. Yes. Those are the inductees into the face. That's some

big stuff. So roll by him again. So it's pod roll.

No t x t x t. Remote item, which is huge. Be a pod roll. Pod roll, which uses remote?

Yep. Yeah.

Date frequent frequency?

It tell me about this one. What is I've seen this combine I'm like, Haha, my eyes glazed over. I'm like, I don't think I need this. What is update frequency?

You can use this though. So this is I kind of like I kind of liked this tag. It first I was I was like, well, we and we've got pod pain that needs to be the future. Why do we need to start specifying update frequency. But then the more you think about it, the more you can see the use case here. In the world case, in the world of pod pain, you may not necessarily need to know when a think part of the problem is I'm thinking always only and only sort of sometimes as an

So and I just got a link which I've put in the show notes, the update dash frequency dot versal dot app. From Nathan Yes, he's very snappy, but it's in the show notes. And that allows you to create the update frequency tag so you can have that and put it right into your feed. It's pretty cool shows you what it is.

It's very compact. I like I like this tag. And I see that Nathan uses the same marketing department we do so Yes, exactly.

This is something that actually if if anyone ever implemented the value block auto, this would be something that could be used kind of in tandem with that. So if I want to automatically send someone something when they drop an episode, for am I just making it more complicated for myself now?

No, I see. No, that would be one way. Yeah, for sure. I'm just never

gonna use this iPod ping. Just listen for my ping pod. Will you

hear like, you're not gonna use it, because everybody knows when you do your thing, but but at the same time, it can be done in a programmatic way. I mean, you could put this tag easily into your feed. You can say, here's the dates that we release episodes, and then apps could show it.

Oh, yeah, they could have they could highlight it. They can do stuff like that.

Yeah, exact. So like you could say, we release on Thursdays and Fridays, every Thursday and Friday for no agenda or week. This show releases every Friday afternoon.

Okay, so yeah, okay. Yeah, it's more aggregator side. But yeah, I can see where that would

be. That's the thing is, it's not aggregator side. That's what confused me to see. You're thinking like an aggregator? I'm sorry. Stop you thinking like an aggregator? Like, I wasn't. That's the that's the confusing thing. Like, it's about telling. Nature says it's about telling the listener? Yeah. Yeah. So look at look at what podcast app like overcast does, where on the podcast description page. He puts in there, this little blurb that says releases on Friday

Got it? Okay. Yeah, that's all it was, was more me telling the apps to show something that could be translated to something for listeners?

Yeah, it lets it's like it's like you providing your own TV Guide. Yeah. Okay. Well, that makes sense. To the listener. Yeah. You're letting him know. Who proposed this to Nathan, Nathan gathright. And this is baby. Okay, cool. All right. Yeah. And it uses a really compact frequency description language. Would you guys

yes, I can see that. Okay, I approve this as fine.

Thanks. Did you is that a yes. Vote for me? That's a

yes. By the way. I have to thank who put the ISO bought dot dev page together who did this?

What is ISO button?

Oh my goodness. Go to ISO bought dot Dev. Every single item, every single ISO that has been created in the chat room. Yes. Now it's hard coded walk factor particularly for this is anything you want. That we've said that someone ISOs is now available on this ISO bought dot Dev. This is phenomenal.

I disapprove of this. I

think. I think what do you think is orrible? I did think it's a great idea.

I do not want to be on the record and an easily searchable indexable fashion for crap that I said on the show that

you do not want to go [email protected]? For sure. Have you seen that? Have you seen what we've done there?

I played with being it.io for the first time the other day, that is a phenomenal resource.

So this is Sir de nonnamous Apparently his his company would you know I guess this his own company goes into businesses and says okay, we'll take your millions of documents and data, whatever, and we'll put it into something you can

Does this now does this cover podcasting 2.0 shows as well, but

that was only no agenda. But we can do the same because we have the exact same data for podcast I think Moe facts is going to be great when you do that one. Oh, yeah, that's a great one. And again, Dr. I think that every single show turn it into a transcript transcripts are incredibly

that's funny and

and it's I mean it turns the podcast into something that a college level graduate level could use to research things to find where we were talking about it then to you know get the articles even you know places the right artwork for that for that but I mean it's phenomenal with the guys

so is this open source or is this him I

didn't I don't know.

Because I wonder if it contains AI and data dust?

Oh yeah, no, it's I told him to put AI on the top I told him to put that in there so let me see it says about data

dust does it have data does I'll ask him to add that

it definitely should it just no agenda AI search they'll ask him to add data dust.

What be knows what pod chaser added some data dust there to that type of thing. Have you seen their data dust by the way the similar tab

pod chaser I mean so that's the new that's the new new thing that Spotify is new business model with podcast is pod chaser. I think that's

known no pod chasers the thing that a cast ball pod pod chasers better have something different what

is pod pod chaser Do you know whenever I honestly whenever I hear pod chaser is gonna sound weird. It sounds like a like a porn thing

yeah

where the where the pod chases we go around town we get pods when we change we taste the pods and then we make them strip on camera just weird weird weird. Okay pod chaser. What does it do?

Yeah just punch so good Good apart chester.com This is This is AI this is your AI and your day to dust

they say data dust please tell me

the guy said that during the interview sprinkle some data does

your daily source daily source for podcast discovery oh I need to discover a new podcast every day I guess.

Yes it look go search for this show search for podcasting 2.0 and then click and so this is this is your a is AI like a state of the art with AI go to the similar tab over there in the right. They have determined with a eyes that are similar to our show.

I have similar okay similar she liked podcasting 2.0 You might like these similar podcasts Breaking Point was Stephanie Conway the connected Caroline show the podcast ambassador with Gary Leland

well you Aryan brown bag what is that?

Wait I don't have the Bavarian brown bag take your show stuff random

the Mentor Project okay it's your it's your dad but this is the most important no go back to about a boot up go to a boot and look where did they get this picture of you?

Oh that's interesting because it has nothing to do it's not the picture that we use in our feed and what was this picture of you is the cartoon we have no face it well that's what I really look like. I'm sorry, the faceless Jones

Hmm I don't know where they get this picture from it almost looks like it's from Podcast Movement. Let me see this picture. I love it. I don't remember you wearing that jacket.

That's very very old that's very old. I don't know

man it's not coming from any say dude that you have I don't think of yourself and anything you

know that's very goofy looking.

Not as goofy as mine.

I mean how goofy can be when you have no face it's okay yeah, this is like

your post up

oh stop all right. Well, can't we find this in the image Google later

that's a good idea.

Oh, second let me see.

Does this this may be aI they may have pulled this out of AI that may not even be you Lee's

so insulting. Okay, let's see. I'm dragging my picture. Oops. Oh, my D drive again. Here we go. Upload. Let me see Visual matches. Wow. That was from it's from the Dutch newspaper headline in Adam curry married again. Now this could be from several different periods in my life so I'm not quite sure what the date is

20 recent Does that just mean it No.

May 20 2019. So they took it from it's it's actually copyrighted material by the newspaper.

Oh, Lord. That's your that's your chat GPT API.

There you go. There you go. Yeah. Data, dust data dust at

work. All right. Well, Alex said, Alex said Stop touching your D drive during the show. I'm sorry.

Okay, okay. Well, great. I'm so happy that

I just wanted to bring that up. Because that's the, you know, the AI is the infatuation with podcasting now, and this is the quality product that you get with, with AI and machine AI ml. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I don't even know where to start with all that. It's just like, No, it's just No, it's all of it's just, I mean, I played some clips from Noah Harare. You know, this guy is. He's the, he's the World Economic Forum guy, that he He's written several books that all the elites love about the future, and we're all going to die.

transhumanist Whoa,

yeah. Yeah, in a way he is. Okay. And he was interviewed about AI and maybe worth just playing these for silence. They're not really long. It's like a minute each. So he's talking to this hosts about AI. And, you know, and, and how, how it's going to eat the world is basically the idea is listen to this

AI is now at the stage, like of I don't know, amoebas. It's like 4 billion years ago, and the first living organisms are crawling out of the organic soup. And so Chad GPT and all these wonders, they are the amoebas of the AI world. What would T Rex look like? And how long would it take for the AI amoebas to evolve into the T rexes? Waste? And

this is, this is the gut. This is like the skip logic COBOL guy. This is this is the same type of crap. Like one of those guys that just gets paid to talk about stuff that he barely understands.

Well, yeah, yeah, in a way. He's a future futurist. Yeah. Well, no Harare, he wrote a very famous, he wrote a couple of famous books. But the one that was his best seller that got him into the elite circles. Let me see. I think it's sapiens is what it's called a brief history of humankind. Okay. Very, very famous book. I think Sam Sethi for some reason. Sam Sethi I think might have had posted this. This is a great book.

Is so he's like a Malcolm Gladwell kind of guy.

Only bald and scary, too. Yeah. So his other ones were homo DOS, Deus, I guess a brief history of tomorrow. 21 lessons for the 21st century. His writings examined freewill consciousness intelligence. So he's the guy that's out there saying we've got to get universal basic income because AI is going to eat everyone's job that's that's basically his one of his pitches. So now he's telling us that chat GPT is AI amoeba? What will the T Rex look like

to evolve into the T rexes and it wants to take billions of years, maybe takes just a few decades or a few years? Because the evolution of AI is a completely different timescale than the evolution of organic beings. Because AI itself works on a different timescale. AI is always on one of the computers in general are always on humans and other organic organisms they live they exist they developed by cycles. We need to rest some time. I never need to rest.

Who's that guy? This guy making a lot of sense well,

so after this, I actually have a 22nd clip of that guy so as the interviewer and after this Harare does his whole his whole spiel here about you know AI it'll think for itself you know, we're all gonna die it's gonna write its own Bible will have its own religion. We don't Ninetails then, then the host says this,

you know, when I was preparing this interview, I wrote down questions that I would like to ask you and then ask chat GBT questions that it would like to ask you. And I've been doing this for a long time. Okay. 25 years I've been doing this and it's questions were better than mine. I'm gonna be honest.

Oh, crap, oh, this guy probably has probably never heard of this guy in his 25 year careers because maybe your questions aren't that good.

Maybe it's not that Chechi Beatty is great. Maybe it's just really bad at your job.

Oh, man.

I mean, this is such Volker. So So we're, what I love is we're gonna. So you know, James on the latest pod. I would almost call it pod land and the latest pod news weekly Power Pod news weekly review on the latest one of those he said that he now takes press releases and dumps them into Google board and asks it to somebody to tell me what this is saying. So here's what's

Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah. You know, just okay. All right. I'll wait. I'll wait for it to turn the T Rex and kill everybody and do everybody's job. And it's like, no, I just don't see. I mean, I'm looking otter now. otter.ai, which I'd love to not use. I'd love to pay in SATs to transcribe.fm. I like to take that money. Give it to him. You know, and I was doing summaries. Oh, these are great for your chapters. I mean, first of all, it's a million chapters. I'd much rather give Dred Scott

Chapter GPT

it's that's exactly what it is. Okay.

Did you? I've got I've got some clips. I brought some clips.

Oh, we love your clips. Dave. But you got

so this. I was listening to this dude. This is on a podcast called Monero talk.

I wonder what the show is about.

It's really hard to figure out what it's about, but it's about Mineiro. I know it's confusing, but let me explain. Okay. So manera talk is actually a pretty interesting podcast. They have horrible audio. It is you don't you do not? People should boosts this show just for the amount of work I put into cleaning up this clips to make them listen, double. But they if you can get past the terrible audio. They actually have some really good interviews sometimes. And they're not.

do not know I do not know what is this?

So this is a this is a court case. Interested in let me summarize it as best I can. So Bitcoin Fogg was an open source mixer Bitcoin mixer.

Oh, okay. Yeah. So it would mix up HDL C's and poop out a new one. And so you have, you know, one bitcoin created from multiple Bitcoins. So it's not traceable.

Yeah. You said you said it. You said HDL C's but it's really I think he meant UTX

UTX O's. Yes. Thank you. All right, man. guess

yes a coin is a coin join is what it is. And so it's a mixer and it would be Bitcoin so this this Bitcoin Fogg thing they alleged that lots of lots of illegal illicit funds I don't know if it's terrorism or drugs or something like a lot of stuff and went through this Bitcoin fog. So therefore, the guy who owns the big who ran Bitcoin fog is is a criminal and they're

that means he both he didn't use his own system to protect his purchase of the domain name

perhaps I don't I don't know those details. Now I'm starting to I'm wondering now maybe somebody can look it up. Bitcoin thinking they have been convicted felon may have been an exchange not a mixer I think I'm getting confused with tornado cash anyway. It that's the basically the but the heart of the case is that they were using Blockchain analysis

right to find out where he was and who he is behind maybe

this to identify this person. So this fella Francisco combined, yes. From the manera core team. He says basically, this this blockchain analysis stuff does not work. Pocket snake, it's snake oil. He goes over the he goes over some of the math and the cryptography behind it, and says, this, this is snake oil that's been sold to governments, but it does not work. Even in Bitcoin. So that's the thing is like, you know, one of the these privacy coins like Manero? Yeah, they are more

It's open, you can track everything is right there. Interest is

out. That's not actually the case. Okay. And so clip one, he kind of goes over that

the absence of privacy does not mean you have good surveillance, you could look past like,

do you mind if I just run this through my AI for a second? Please do

the absence of privacy does not mean you have good surveillance, you could look at it that way. You could create the whole idea in the design of Bitcoin privacy, and there is an entire section on privacy and but Bitcoin block wiping is you have anonymous output, and you break the linkage between the output and the other person or persons. And so therefore, you

Well, that's interesting. I always thought it was completely possible unless you went through, as you said, one of these mixers but even without that blockchain analysis, apparently is just not true.

Yeah. And he's he makes a very convincing case in this in in his discussion there. And at one point, the host says, Well, you know, you're saying that you're saying that this is all the fiction like this can be done. And is there any who can I have on the show? Give me somebody who disagrees with you as I can that I can have on the show, right that we can have a counterpoint to? And he says, well, there were some but I, but I've since convinced them all that I'm right. There's nobody

Alright, clip two. Yeah.

What's the EU? What they're trying to do in the European Union? Is it trying to bake blockchain surveillance into legislation. And this is the section 76 used to be called Section 68 of the MICF. And that's the rule that I think is the most dangerous, because essentially, what it says is it puts incredibly onerous requirements. If the guy cannot be surveilled with Blockchain surveillance, well, you can't fake it. So they kind of they really got into it to lobby for

McIntosh just sent a booster gram Bitcoin Fogg is indeed a mixer. Says the entire lawsuit is a joke. The company performing the chain analysis is essentially saying he's guilty without showing how they do it complete black box oh, and Bitcoin fog is still running while the guy accused of running it sits in jail.

Yeah, it all ties back to this supposedly they they supposedly have identified the transaction where the Bitcoin fog got bought, where this particular individual bought the Bitcoin fog domain name. But they there's absolutely no, they can't prove it. There's no proof of this and in in a way that they're willing to expose, because this is all

Well, wait, wait, you're telling me that people in government don't know what they're talking about when it comes to technology? No, stop. Stop, stop. Wow.

Anyway, this it's a good it's kind of blowing my mind because we you always hear from Bitcoin people that Oh, is totally transparent. Yeah, that's what I thought. But it's actually really difficult to prove a chain of custody from UTX o to UTX. Oh, and that, especially when you think about key, you know, keys, getting stolen all these kinds of things. You really cannot there's no linkage between an actual person and these UTX owes. That's a fiction for moat

Which would be fine with me. And it comes to Bitcoin I'd be fine with it. I don't care. I'm not gonna be using free legal stuff. I have nothing to hide Eric Schmidt if I have something to hide, I'll use my arrow I know what's up. Man. So the Bitcoin Amsterdam Bitcoin 2024 People are have been kind of responsive if anything I have not been responsive kind of

I saw an email that they said they were going to send an invite, but I'm not sure I saw the invite.

I have to check they just randomly said, Oh, I'm sure Dave not will be available at this time. Sure. Okay. And the idea is we're going to talk about what so I guess there's three things one is there some is this something that no agenda tube can host? And you got some now Do you Have you spoken Alex about the numbers about like 7000 streams?

No, I haven't talked to him about it because we don't even know if we know we just haven't got that far yet. I don't know if

I can already medium winching wincing like what?

I'm sure I've made as long as he's, you know, as long as he gets paid for it, I'm sure he'd be willing to at least think about it.

Well, so I mean, that's, that's the question is, you know, hey, do we want to even get into that, but I think the main thing is, now we have a system sovereign feeds, and maybe Stephen B should just be doing this, where we can load in value blocks, into a live stream, and, and pump that into all of the live shows. And the value block would change when

Yeah, that is the airhead said live splits. Live split changes are easy with peer tube. Okay, so that looks like that we can do the LSC. Alex is saying. And this is this is kind of why I hadn't really pursued it yet. Because he said I'd rather help them set up their own infrastructure, but I'm open to it. That's kind of what I was thinking. I mean, they could roll you know, they could roll their own. It's, it wouldn't be expensive. Right? We just show them how to do it.

Right. So the only the main thing is the value time split. And I'm just saying we have a tool that does it sovereign feeds does it, then and that I think is independent of no agenda to because they the plugin just takes the value block the whatever is being displayed. I guess, anyway, I

Yeah, and that's why I'm, that's another reason why I'm diving in deep with, with what's going on and no agenda tube in the peer to development work is because this is this is important. I mean, we need this needs to be stressed, you know, stress tested, and we need to see if this stuff works properly, in where the where the gotchas are. Right. Because this really is I mean, I see this as a this is the way forward for people like that to roll you know, roll a peer tube instance

No, it's not just toys.

It's not I mean it think of I mean he Even if they wanted to, like, it goes back to the PWA thing. Let's say once you've got the stream, and you've got all the parts working, even if let's just say, Apple, Google, whoever, even if they pull apps off the store, that the data is you could just write a very thin PWA on top of this content, and you're back in business

Exactly. But I'd like to see it with the existing podcast apps that already work. And so here comes the second part, I would like to, they have asked me to write an op ed. And what I would like to write about is 2.0 value for value with the value time split for music. So that my pitch is something new is happening in podcasting. Now we're adding in music, you can play music on a podcast, and we have a magic system where the wallet switches to the to the artist who you're playing, this

So let, there's two sort of two flavors of that. There's in your just to be clear, so everybody understands. There's the there's the post, you publish your episode, after the fact. There's that version of the value time split thing, and then there's a live Yes. And there's that version, after the fact is easy, because you read the you read the XML, right? I know where to where to flip flop, the live thing is a little bit more complicated, because as it currently stands in this is

right, so what I like is that I can bring in lots but can bring in Wave Lake and bring him dish topia, I can tell the people like oh, look, look at these places you can go to put your music up or go to music side project.com do it independently you don't need and you can manage your own splits. I mean, this this is the kind of article I want to write so but right now, as far as I know, it's pod friend and curio caster.

Right. And I know it's pot do we know if pod friends doing the live yet

no pod friends on doing live yet. But for the article that doesn't matter. For the article, it'll be you know, just I mean, people are going to start making shows, but we need a few more apps to support this. It's my plea. It will be it will be an interesting way to kick it off, you know, because people read this stuff. And then people talk about it. And then they want to do it and where do I put my music and, and then I will support it with the show. I'll might as well do another show.

I mean, I know Oscar is working on it. Yes, yes. Yep. And so I mean, we, and I'm sure and I'm sure Mitch will. I mean, Mitch, he loves to do stuff like this. So I mean, I don't we, I mean,

I know that Spencer and all those guys, they're already doing it. They're doing the doing music shows with malt and you know, as I said, sovereign feeds, and now has a music playout system belt built into it, not something that's functional for the way I do it. But it works so people can start creating these shows. You see them doing I'm like trying to get everything all together because the hosting companies won't support this for a long time just because of the nature

Mitch is working on it now, actually.

Does he say that? Yeah, of

course. Of course he is. I mean, this this, this what he does, yeah.

Cool. I just want to be able to say, you know, are all the app, all apps supported would be great, but if I can rattle off four or five, that will be fantastic. And then you know, then we're gonna get some, we're gonna get some interesting new programming with music. I can't wait to do a show with just music. It's gonna be I've been thinking, Should I read, say resurrected daily source code is called the daily source code. I have all the jingles.

I mean, you might as well like Biggie, because you'd have, you'd have an instant built in audience because a lot of people still follow that feed and all that. I mean. Yeah. I mean, I mean, it makes sense to me. You don't have to recreate you don't have to recreate a whole new, you know, framework. Daily, so do so in daily source code at one point. At one point, you weren't doing podsafe music on dailies source codes. Yes, I was.

sysadmins ensuring five nines uptime? 21st century of radio stars on noise industry. That's kind of what it would sound like.

Yeah, like, gang. So

that that's the idea. I'm into it. I'm ready. I'm ready. All right. That's my plea. That's all I got. Surely you have something on your list we need to discuss before we thank people.

I had a call with the medical with a guy from the Center for Democracy and Technology yesterday.

Oh, yeah. And they seem kind of it seemed like a kind of an elitist drinking club. But probably the heart the hearts in the right place, or did I get that wrong?

I don't know if they're elitist. And I don't know if they're gonna drink.

I just looked at the board. I'm like, Okay.

I didn't even look at the board. I don't know. I mean, I'm assuming this is a Washington think tank that's like to me Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. So my understanding is they're going to produce a study, or maybe it's called a policy paper. I'm not sure. Exactly. But they wanted to interview, they want to interview me about the pocket stupido project, the index in this in the context of how does open source innovation compete against big tech? So it was a

You say it's because of the value for value that it all works?

Oh, yeah, through value for value all over the place.

splattered value all over the place. Nice.

So we went over the, you know, the namespace now? Yeah. He asked me said what, you know, what are some apps? What are your What are your what are the apps that most represent what you think, you know, the project stands for, and what you're after, and all this kind of thing. So as like, in give me some examples of shows that we, you know, we can look at. And so I sent him lists of, you know, of all the apps and shows and

Well, I think we have I think the podcast in 2.0 project is an example of open source of the future. And I think you and I discussed many times, just because of the split, everybody hasn't had an opportunity to participate in the value flow. That's what it is, I think. But I'm sure Spotify has it. Right. You know, they've I think they've, you know, according to Bloomberg, they've they fixed it all now, basically, yeah, they're

there. They're on rails now. Did you see that Bloomberg

article? Which one? Spotify takes a sharp turn with its $1 billion podcast division. No shifting away from exclusives to capture more ad revenue. How does that even make sense? Sure. They basically they, I mean, they just got rid of everybody rolled it all up into something called studios, and then said, Okay, we're gonna do ads or something.

This all makes sense to me. Now, I had this sort of like, I had like, like an epiphany. But I hesitate to describe it as an epiphany because it sounds kind of hoity toity.

Yeah. And sounds like something because that media and center technology thing to Think Tank. Yeah, they probably have epiphanies a

lot. So, the Epiphany, the epiphany that I had was that Chris Fisher, I think he's right. You know, he said, The he told us the, you know, the ad market is moving to YouTube. And I think it's I think he's right Based on some stuff I saw, and so AdExchanger had this big article on this company called a million ads. They're going to start serving hyper local Audio Ads by creating even more of them.

Yeah, because that'll get the CPM up. Uh huh.

Yeah, sure. So, they the ad industry in general they are this is this was the Epiphany, the ad industry b you know, being whatever I be you know, as let's just call it let's just call it the podcast industrial complex. The the IB the podcast Academy, these bro these roll up to show brokers award shows, award shows, yes. award shows. All of the everybody that collectively created makes up the podcast industrial called the rankers? Yes, yes. Rancors. Yes.

The people who call us Indies.

Yes, yeah. That the debt, the podcast industrial complex, is not podcasting. It's not what you think it is. Chris said that all the ad market is moving to YouTube. And it also dawned on me that that's why they are so insistent about calling YouTube podcasts?

Because that's because they need to get the money. And if they're not a podcast, yeah, that's possible.

They need the money. And no, it's 100% true, because they have they they based on this or when I read this article, this was the whole pitch for this podcast advertising company, that they were going to use AI to create hyperlocal ads, get this based on things like location, the weather, where you're at your, your current, where you're at, whether you're driving, all the these are all things that you

Well, isn't by the way you said 100%

What I meant was completely

okay, I no longer do the horn I just play this 100 frickin

percent let's see.

Effectively, yes, copper. So, so, but Spotify is now using the Spotify pixel or whatever it's called

IP address. So

IP addresses okay, that but I'm still not completely convinced that the money's going to YouTube. I think it's going to tick tock I think this may be YouTube's play a part of their play against tick tock, like, we're different. The podcasts are with us. But all I know is that people who are advertising on YouTube are spending a lot more money on tick tock right now.

The digital advertising market. Yeah. Like the the IB based stuff. Yeah. They are so screwed, that they have tied themselves to these IP to IP address brokers. Yeah, IP address data brokers to such an extent as soon as that thing dries up. I mean, like they they as soon as Apple you think Apple getting, you know, the Apple Dimas thing was was hard. Once they turn on private relay, yeah, instead of securing IP address data, these guys are out.

I can predict what Spotify is move will be because, you know, I built one of these networks. I've tried I failed, I spent a lot of other people's money granted not a billion. And it's always the same. So the next move for Spotify when whatever they're doing now, which is I guess, Spotify for podcasters. Okay. They will have a Spotify podcast radio station

Is it? Do you think it's going to be some sort of like, like YouTube, like, experience that they're going to try to launch? Is that what you're predicting?

It'll be, it'll be stupid. It'll be like, it'll be, yeah, it'll be a 24 hour day something and you'll be able to switch channels. And oh, this is the talk channel. And this is the, you know, the true crime channel, you watch, it's in the cards is what always happens. And that will, of course, will fail as well. None of this works, the only way forward is value for value, people just can't afford all of the

See that? That's, that's one of the things that got me thinking in this direction. Because you see, oh, the pot the advertising for podcasting is up. Yet everybody you talk to in PA in in actual open podcasting says it's down. And then you have James on the last pod news or whatever, saying, I don't understand how these YouTube numbers make any sense. They keep saying that the numbers die. Do I do numbers, but I don't see it.

I do. We've been through this. Let me pull up the numbers. The way Google works is they have a cost of acquisition. If I'm amazed, that's a term

that like a customer acquisition cost, like a care.

Yeah, I think it is Google revenue. Think cost of mainly just cost of acquisition. Let me see which they spend Google revenue breakdown. See, traffic acquisition. That's what they call it? Nah. Okay. And they spent what they spend on traffic acquisition. manually or? Yeah, I think we have it on looking for it right now.

Let's get to be a lot neater Oh,

no, it's billions of dollars Google traffic acquisition ta see traffic acquisition cost 2020 to $48.95 billion. So it's an arbitrage. So they bring in $48.95 billion worth of traffic, which is, yeah, know, what they pay out to people who are sending traffic to them, whether it's search or otherwise, and then they just make sure that they bring in, you know, they they mark that up and they bring in 162 billion or

Yeah, but the podcast industrial complex, they'll they'll Pillow Talk whoever they need to. Yes. Whoever they need to to keep the ad dollars rolling. When they'll, they'll sell they'll sell you out in a heartbeat.

That's right. It was actually it was actually kind of funny to hear. James had a guest host on the kind of like tour was her name.

Oh, yeah. The newsletter lady. Yeah.

Newsletter lady. And so they're talking about the value for value apps maybe being removed from from from pot. Actually, I should probably play this. It was hilarious. On a second. It was it was one of the funniest things I've ever heard him done. I don't know if he knows that. He did. I can't

remember her name. I'll bring it squeezes the name of her newsletter, but I can't Yeah. Oh, Sky Pillsbury. That's

sky Pillsbury. How

How did I forget that name is so unique? It's very it is an interest

you think that's the stage name was that a real name? Probably a

real name I'm gonna go to 16 Hit

the chapters here where's the chapters? Where the chapters at more Charlie AI chapter you gotcha Yeah. Chapters here we go apple to kill value for value okay so

Sam edits thing we just got a new SAS stuff those are all do much the same sort of thing so this potentially means that those may be whisked off the the Apple App Store as well which is slightly scary. Some then ads hashtag gaslighting, hashtag gatekeeper hashtag anti competitive, it's clearly very upset about this percent of all of the money for recently enabled PW A's which is a way of using another website as if your this

whole bit is all about how Apple might its chapters Apple to kill value for value.

Listen, who knows. But anyway, yeah, whatever the way forward is, hopefully they will just this will help them make decisions that are clear for everyone so that it's not so that no one is confused and, and sort of at the last minute, you know, finding out this information and, and with no warning, that's probably part of what's most frustrating. Well, yeah, indeed. They've got basically two weeks to get that

saw value for value was on the desk door but podcast advertising works.

It does is clear clearly. Yes. Yes. It does. Except Except all the ones that say that it doesn't Yes.

Or no, it works.

It works. This probably works when you get it. Yeah, but what if you don't? Yeah.

Oh, man, I just thought that was funny. I'm sure it wasn't intentional, but the way it is strung together. It's like okay, I get it.

Yeah, it's like it's like the C span color.

I want to thank a couple of people who have been supporting the show as we roll out live and Jason from podcast guru. Yes. comes in with a nice row of ducks 22,222 from podcast guru now he has the kind of like the the generic icon here that's I'm just identifying this as Taliban Yeah. And how we patch I wonder if that's if he's

fault. That's my fault. And then and then that's my phone because

you don't have an icon for it. Yeah,

I don't have it in a dynamic way. Yeah, let me let me give you my game plan. Okay. A game plan it I've got to finish I've got to build a dashboard for managing the index. Ooh, yes. You have been waiting for a while started that started I'm sure you did. I had to put a couple of things in for Oscar he needed the music medium tag returned and some endpoints had to do some other things. So I got I gotta do I gotta do the dashboard. Then I'm going to go back to hell pad and get that

and pod fans. They also need an icon pod to pod fans.

I'm Hello Pat needs a little love just a little bit.

I mean I'm loving it every single day I'm loving it

I'm loving it you need to just get take it out to dinner every now

so Jason says so remote item after V four v streaming is done we can do that. Of course he of course you can. Thank you Jason. Beautiful yeah beautiful. That's that's what I need to hear that's gonna that's gonna get things going. So Macintosh says 2100 SATs from fountain I'll volunteer to at least coordinate the video casting of no one else is stepping forward. Especially if it can be done remotely or works on modest help on site. I can't coordinate with others a

Oh, well, I guess you ask and you shall receive

15,000 from blueberry dang this lit GIF or GIF looks so slick Yeah, that's that's the animated one. I had the pleasure of live streaming for two hours last night playing around with sovereign feeds live switching value tags and playing music and whilst these lousy it's so cool. What I'd like to do is use this for the pre stream for BTS which is

the hands behind the scheme's

Yes. Then at Showtime have the app episode live tag with the updated show art and title engage? Yeah, I think you can do that. Yeah, don't say Well, no, that's what you do with Yeah, you just switched switch blocks and you can do that now in sovereign feeds. I think. Mr. Robot with a boob 808 Happy Father's Day this Sunday. Gentlemen, thank you. Giving Dave some info. Give giving Dave some info to some beef initiative producers in his state so we can get off those

who is this who

this is Mr. Robot? And he has if you go to beef initiative.com You go to the database. I shall send this to you right now in the state of Alabama. And you can also put this on the on the signal chat for you right there you go. Thank you get off those beef milkshakes, man. Thank you. layman creations. 1000 SATs Dave needs to host a show so he can use sovereign feeds Yes. That's right. He's all jacked up on streaming video.

It's hot fire

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I think it's I think it's El Gato. Yeah, I forgot I'll find out I think it's an Elgato

41,948 from Sir Brian of London PhD he says I had a good week routing on my notes so I bumped up the donation if anyone is on hive please vote for proposal. 265 All right, very no man hive got hit with this with the altcoin Shakedown

did they get delisted

no not the list. I'm just seeing the prices go down against the US dollar but I mean it's just fun to watch. I mean not not fun for anybody in particular just like wow look at all these red numbers everywhere including Bitcoin.

Oh God a wave. This would be more Miss

Delgado wave.

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Oh, that's Oh, that's the name of the boom boom, boom. Okay, I see. We have a tiny striper donation from Mike Newman loving the longing good stuff that's a striper new striper sound we have Where did you get that from? was sent to Korean the keeper it's actual striper it's actual striper bits put together. Another Lehmann creations Apple overloads okay. And then primitive one again was 69 999 nice thank you called in sick to work happy to catch up on this show lit for the first

was in America's head.

America's hat? I love it. He saw he always keeps talking about oh, America is on the brink of civil war. Well get off Twitter. We're really not. When we're a civil war, you'll know it'll be very different. Noise Yeah,

you won't have to guess. Yes. Different noise That's right.

I'm doing this with 3333 pips smacking hose Okay, thank you test boosting from the index 22 to 22 from amot then we have Martin love listening to the live show fixing bugs and annoyances at the same time with tu tu tu tu tu tu two one. And let me see podcasting. My favorite waste of time from Jim 13,579 Lyceum with an early boost. Short Row of ducks. Have you tested contracts full access plan was split management. No, I have no but Well, no, they, they're you must because they

Oh, my man Okay. Yes, I understand what that is. Now that goes back and reverse because I built the thing for it. Yeah, okay. Yeah. I'm like I programmed and

this is Martin Linda's kg by the way Lyceum on pod fans.fm Today I want to have an overview of the incoming streaming SATs and booster grams so don't miss to thank contributors and supporters. I like contracts so I haven't tested it with a full on partner splits but contracts is definitely definitely cool if you're using if you're using get Alvey I don't know if they interface with other lightning wallets yet or other nodes. And then, let me see where are we

we have quite a few. Oh really fun coupons. Yes. Starting with Ben and Alberto from rss.com The boys over there they gave us a Pay Pal. Large satchel of Richards 11110 Man,

one was one was

$1,111

Sakala 20 is blades on him. Paula. Crikey, guys,

thank you, Adam

and Dave, we are so grateful for what you do. rss.com will add the support will add support to even more podcasting 2.0 features in the next months. Location is next in line. Thank you, Alberto Ben and the team and rss.com

Thank you guys Y'all are so kind wow that's That is amazing. That's some value right there. We must be bringing them customers left and right Dave

through one the other day. I did buddy man we people ask us all the time you know which host should I do? And my question is always you know, I like Okay, tell me what do you have? Tell me what your podcast is? Tell me what you what you're trying to do if you're on

WordPress he's easy answer PowerPress

or really simple. And then you have and then if they say you know where are we got it, you know, we got we really focus on value for value I usually pitch them over to and they don't want to self host I usually go blueberry or rss.com because they have that stuff built in. If it's something that you know, if it's something else up kick them over to Buzzsprout there's it's great to have like this array of options where you can just kind of like slot people in depending on what they need. Yeah,

I agree. truly is. That was

part of our discussion yesterday with this see

that democracy technology Think Tank?

Yes. Think Tank going tech. Yeah. Is he? As I was telling him I'm like the podcast hosting ecosystem the hosting companies. Like it's so unique. I don't know. I don't know that there's any other I can't think of another industry that has a system like that where you have this these people that they they compete so ruthlessly against each other. But they also are come they also have come together in and they work together like it's such an interesting thing to see. Yeah.

coopetition cooperate.

Yeah, that's That's exactly right. I had just added Ben from our sister calm call me the other night. We had we talked for about a half hour about some stuff and yeah, it's just everybody just works. They just want what's big. They they all understand that. That a rising tide lifts all boats. Yeah, it's a great thing to see. Speaking of the guys from blueberry, Todd Oh my goodness. In the gang send us $300

Oh, man. Shot Caller 20 his blades only him Paul. Oh,

it didn't even come to the Apple Store. Thank you guys

helping out with that database server upgrade, go podcasting?

Yeah. Got a baller boost incoming right here 101010 101,010 Satoshis from Sam Southie Potter fans live streaming and splits work we broke tonight testing value times but we'll fix that for next week Hey that's what running with scissors brother we have all phase six implemented Do you know a feed we can test for pod ping we have the rule working check your email for screenshot and we will never ever be an iOS or Android app PWA all the way go podcasting

shot Carla 20 is played on him Paula like

that. Me too curious. So RSS I mean no agenda tube all of those feeds have the pod ping tag in them go good. So those are good test feeds Sam what we we're gonna have to do is we're gonna have to we're gonna have to not put any more namespace work in for at least three months so that Sam can actually ship this product is every time we have a new tag he started that go and put it in I'm gonna have to we have we got to stop this we gotta we gotta we gotta let him ship and just

just to give you an idea of how crazy the stuff is that we're doing and you know what kind of scissors we're running with. So Stephen B just says in the in your in the OG chat not in your wanqi little video chat thing stops he says the new chat tag which is created by His sovereignty feeds bro curio caster buddy how's it working again? The show he broke his own stuff and fix it during the show I love it man. I love it hilarious that neat

that's that needs a scissor stab What did the Van Halen All right we got some booths we got a 55 555 thrown anonymous through curio caster Thank you anonymous no note we get another anonymous 44 444 Wow curio caster no no there now that is that contains the remote thede Gu ID and remote item.

Oh nice. Well, we don't know who did it. Who made it?

It's anonymous. It came through curio

Oh cute. Of course curio caster would have that working Of course.

This is fun because it says Rassie here and if people on people that are watching the stream can see it. It's got the remote feed Gu ID and the remote item Gu ID is the enclosure URL. So that's late night special.net wp content halfway to somewhere. That is really rad. Okay, so then there's another 44 for 44 for the same thing. No, okay, here's a 65 656 so I need to go I need to go in here and figure out what our, like 1% of

that was, it'll be it'll be literally 1% Because 95 I think goes to the artist.

Yeah. Okay, I'll make those adjustments and this was a debug to see what I can see

from this first. Okay, lots of debugging still.

Yes, yes, yes. schedulers Alright, so we get to those let's see we get an okay 77 777 from an anonymous The Cure Katrin

sorry striper booth

I'm not used to that one yet. And that's just us that's not the remote on as you said Go podcasting.

Yes, go podcast now No, there's

77 777 No. Three key questions go podcasting. ADAM You said Follow us on no agenda social instead of podcast social sorry about that. Alright, you're out of control what this driver base

well it was a striper booze What can I say? No. And

it's like Don't blame me blame the blame the donor anonymous again 7777 This one's got a row. Now this is interesting. This is comes from curio caster. This one has the new reply address and reply key and reply value. Wow. So you can hit reply. Yeah, we could technically boost back to this person. I

hope that on helipad because little Reply button that would be so cool.

That's part of taking the hell pad out to dinner that's what's gonna happen

oh, heli pad let me stroke you. You're gonna love your new upgrade

the golden dragon Synthesia duck road ducks 2222 through fownes as Jupiter broadcasting community

checking in great Jupiter broadcasting community Hello.

These laughs and is 3333 through fountain says thanks for allowing us peasants to be a fly On the wall I feel like I'm back in my corporate days with more fun, of course. Oh, yes, no

kidding. No kidding,

bombshell. John Siebert. Oh 100,000 SATs oh man

Sakala 20 is Blaze on am Paula nice

to pod verse no note,

thank you john Siebert does highly appreciate it. Feel

free to drop a note and it's been 4096 with a 4k killer boost of cast ematic he says props to the party progress on pod friend and to Martin's openness to feedback. See John seabird again with another 100,000 SATs.

Followers Sakala 20 is Blaze on am Paula it's going crazy man.

It's going nutty around here C. C. G O Jean beans again with a 4k killer boost. He says Casta Matic for the conference stuff. Be sure you also post split kit QR codes all over it too. Yes, for sure. Yeah, sure. Absolutely. No, get a 2222 from anonymous. Thank you anonymous. Oh, a huge a big satchel. Richard 11111 came from Putin. I didn't know Putin, listen to the show.

Sure. It's not from the Wagner group.

was pre show pre show nick or whatever. They send us a boost pod verse. He says great show again. Freaks. Thank you. Thank you, Putin. Yeah, thanks, Vladimir. Jean diensten isn't at 649 through cast ematic he says Adam, get yourself a small ups for your start nine bucks and it'll stay up during transitions to generate a power.

Yes. I saw that one come in. Yeah, I'll do that. That's a good idea. But the problem most of these ups is they die after a year or two. They just don't work anymore. The batteries lead lead acid battery, whatever they use in those. Yeah, I'll look into that. It sent me a boost me link so I can it's one you think is good. I'll try it.

Sir Bill 25,000. SAS he says cheers to pot friend. Yes, sir. Bill. Yes. Thank you. Sir. Doug's in his 10,000 SATs and he just says boost

him boo boos.

Joe W satchel Richard through fountain. No, no. Thank you, Joe. Karen, for the mere mortals podcast. 2222 says yay, Martin's back, baby. Can you also elaborate on why a push for both 12 is needed? Actually. What even is it? And what can it help to do?

Let's answer it in reverse order. It'll make your life better. That's it we'll well. Yeah, what what what is? Go ahead, give them give them? Give me an answer.

Well, the biggest the biggest push, the biggest reason to push for Bolt 12 is because it allows for open invoices. So you can just generate an invoice once. And that invoice can be used forever. So you can get away from key sin.

Yeah, that's the main thing. And that and then it would work with almost any wallet, correct?

Yes, that's right. That's a key. Yeah. If it's because it would be part of the spec at that point. If if it gets adopted by l&d, which is the holdup? Yeah. And but l&d has, like 90% market share. So that's, you see where that's going. So but yeah, both 12 has a lot, it has more than that involved in it. But that's sort of that's the biggest thing for what we're doing. Is that the problem with key send is that

Spray and Pray.

Yes, exactly. Yeah. You know this, you know that the payment was received, but you can't prove it. Right. So that's that's the issue. Can you go through as soon as 3521 says the pot friend, no note. Let's see. We got 2048 from the Golden Dragon says V for V rocks. I was wondering though, how can I implement this for my blog?

Yeah. Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good question. Yeah, no one's really figured that out yet. I don't think

there is a medium tag for them. You could put a medium tag of blog because there is.

Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. I'm going to try that. See what happens.

We got a bunch of test booths from Sam Sethi Thank you, Sam. Appreciate and we got them. They work. From Captain Egghead a central Richard 111. ones are pod verse he says boosting with extra 1823 app fee to support issue 1823 The time value split on pod verse image note that the competition is getting a split of this boost.

coopetition folks, not competition cooperation.

And this sounds like this sounds like a threat is what this

little bit. Yes. restaurant name passive aggressive at least.

Yeah, let's dress geeks and it's 10,000 SATs is through pod verse.

Yeah. Well, I think he's the one who said he could go to Amsterdam.

Okay, yeah, he's over there. I think he's in Siena, Austria.

It's not quite the same thing, but

I think he's in Austria. Yeah. I mean, I mean, he's in the EU is what I mean.

Yes, yes. You wouldn't need a passport. Basically, he could fly there just to get a pop on the EasyJet or the Ryanair or whatever

let's see I think I hope I pronounce his last name. Maybe it's a soundscape Okay. May have mispronouncing bases would absolutely love to help the team do the splits for the BTC 2023 in Amsterdam,

G there you go. All right. All right. Well, he's definitely on the social so we're gonna get this. So we have people I would say familiarize yourself with sovereign feeds. That's a good start right there.

Lemon creations are buddy handy 1000 sets they say through Cosmetics is out the Dao De doop your database. Thank you. Sweet

it's only only Friday.

Omit send us 4221 through pod vs. That's, that's 4221 for the doop de doop, army. Oh, 4221. Okay, yes. PS posted a triplicate as a comment on issue 270 of the web UI project. But thank you. The he's he's working to help help get the we call it non Latin English, non Latin characters working in the search. That's

Oh, goodness. Yeah, that's always that sucks. It's always horrible. Way worse things have to debug. Yeah,

it's way past time to get that fix. I'm gonna I'm gonna get that finished. Yeah, I think you already read those. And so we got the delimiter after blogger 3015 through fountain 80 says, howdy, Dave. And they see it's a me Memorial. Nope. I mean, it's me CSB. Not Gregory so please invite your audience to visit to www.ai dot cooking to listen to our podcast with artificial intelligence news and with AI prompt engineering tips narrated by Gregory Forman from ket. UK yo,

yo, yo, thank you and I just ordered the order here. Whoever post that in the chat room, summer surf, summer surf, APC UPS battery backup surge protector 14 and 25 va backup battery power supply be four to five M $59.99. I mean, how could I not try it?

You bought that while I was reading boost? Yes, sir.

I bought it wait. In fact, I bought it with the Satoshis you just read off? No, I did not.

We got some monthlies. We got Terry Keller at $5 Jeffrey Rutherford $5 Jeremy Kevin all $10 Chris cow and $5 Paul Saltman. $22.22 Derek J. Vickery, $21. Kit daemon Cassie, Jack $15, David Norman or buddy $25 and Jeremy Garrett's $5

Thank you all very, very much. We also had an anonymous coming through tally coin with 1923 SATs, no note, but we do appreciate that of course, please go to podcast index.org. Down at the bottom you can find to donate red donation buttons, one for PayPal, and one for a tally coin for on chain or even if you want to send direct lightning but of course, we really prefer the booster grams get a modern podcast, Apple podcast apps.com It really is what all the cool

mastodon so how much is that? No,

it's I think it's 70 bucks now. It's not that bad. It's not that bad. But you know, you reach a certain number of giblets. I think we have X number of giblets and we have to go to a bigger a bigger I don't know

what it is. You've reached 47 Mega giblet. Yeah.

You got so many giblets going on like okay everybody. So yeah, all of that all that supported by it and we love it and and of course, everything that you boost us get shared with the value block with the app that using it with the Hey, sovereign feeds with Dred Scott You know we got if we have a guest to get shared with the guests so we're all about sharing

the share it's a sharing economy

yes there's no winning

there's no there's the winning

let me see do I still have that weird said jingle no winning.

I mean we do this thing is so scissors that I opened my email live on a live stream me talking about terrifying.

Well do you were you showing your your private Nasir key again?

Yeah, I had to delete it out of the thing. Of course I showed it. I had to literally go into the dev tools in Chrome in Brave and and delete the element off the page.

Oh, there's no winning we don't like to foster a competitive atmosphere but we laugh a lot. Now everyone hug and share a secret

that's kind of our motto. Motto secret All right my brother thank you so much for all you do I'm looking forward to the dashboard doesn't have to be this week can be whenever you're ready.

Yeah, getting there getting there getting there and

and people raise your hand at no agenda social.com I said it again podcast index dot social if you need if you think you can help out with any of these projects. And thank you Jason for adding in the value time splits everyone doing that. I can't wait to do the music show. I'm very excited about that. Very very excited. Thank you multiple chat rooms. Thank you everybody. There's no agenda tube chat

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