Episode 136: Moist Splits

Oh, casting 2.0 for June 9 2023, episode 136 Moist splints. Well, hello everybody welcome once again to the official board meeting of podcasting 2.0 The only board room that has genuine Vikings, everything happening at podcast index.org Of course the podcast names face and all the goings on

The whole time for the last five minutes, I've been fiercely running around on my desktop trying to clear since I'm also live streaming, I'm trying to clean up my video streaming and no agenda to try to go around and clear all the stuff that other people are supposed to see on my desktop. You do know that in my seat, my private key for nostril was sitting there all kinds of really

was that really. You'll learn soon enough that streaming, in addition to doing a show is really a big distraction. And you know, and then people don't listen to what you're saying. They're looking at trying to write down your private keys. You'll see you'll see you'll see it's alright. I we've all been through a day if it's all cool. You know, I too had to see you see me camera. I mean, it's he's remember those days

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board only 30 only 35%. Not even 100%. Oh man, we got so much to talk about and I think we should bring in our boardroom guests right away honorary member because well, he's one of the OGS and we're very happy to have him back. Ladies and gentlemen, please say hello to the CEO and founder of pod friend the world's friendliest podcast app, podcast app, our friend Martin Morrison,

who Hello, hello. Hello. Hello. Everyone is everyone calls me CEO of PUC friend but that company yet but one day One day I read

that, but I read that somewhere somewhere. I read the you have a profile?

I think it's I think it's some Sathyan but teams that called me CEO of pod friend at some point, but yeah, it sounds good. Yeah.

I mean, take it. I mean, I there's nothing wrong with it.

It's good. No,

it's not not true. True. Which is the same as not not? Yes. Yeah. Right. Where you agree, we agree with each other. I mean, like when you know, tiny micro business, you can be whatever you want, you can call yourself anything.

That is actually true. And at some point, I will create the company just to get tax deductions.

So Martin joined us right at the very beginning almost of this entire project three years ago, and created pod friend, which was a web based podcast app, which a lot of people really loved. And then he divorced us. And he went off and they found a woman and a child and all this stuff. And then he started developing games, and we were like, you know, I'd written them out of the will. It's like, no, no, it's all right. He's left us. And you're back. We need a little update. Martin,

Well, first of all, thank you and second of all, yeah, I mean, it was quite a break. And I think in the in the start of like, I was working on pot friend the first version and and somehow I managed to burn myself out a little bit. Just by moving a little bit too fast with the scissors.

You poked yourself in the eye. That's what happened. Yeah,

exactly. But no, but at the same time I got to put motion that work which, you know, Oh, congratulations. Well, thank you and and but of course that just took a lot of my time and then at the same time we we bought a house. Me and my well then girlfriend now wife and

oh, there was a wedding we I didn't. Dave did you see an invite?

I didn't I didn't I would have said they would have sent a gift. And yeah,

if you were registered anywhere I would have sent you some, you know, like a bread maker. That's like a classic like, here's a bread make sure that's what you need.

flatware. Wow, huh. i Yeah, he

left money on the table. Mark. That's right. Sure.

Yeah, no, but yeah. And then, kind of, it wasn't really like something that I thought of like, Oh, I'm gonna take a break. Now. It was more like just real life things. Like, as I said, the house where everything was wrong with the house. You know, we bought it and then Sunday night, like, Oh, this is actually rats in the house.

Does a rat in the kitchen? What am I gonna do? Nice.

Exactly. And yeah, there was a lot of things to fix. And we fixed it. It's, it's good now.

Now, you know, you're in Copenhagen area?

I am. Yeah, I'm just a, what you call like the greater Copenhagen area. So just just a little bit outside the main main city? Nice. Yeah. But yeah, and then, you know, in the break, I did work on Puffin. 2.0. Like I didn't even know it was like the 2.0 at that point. But I just realized that a lot of decisions I've made was because it was the first time I made like a cross platform app like that, where it was both on web and desktop, and, you know, Android, and an iOS. And suddenly I find out.

where you're used to. I mean, that's, that's, that's the life you live most of the time, right?

So so in my day to day job, I'm actually not a programmer anymore. Like I that's my background engineering. Oh, he's became a management which, which, like, I love programming, but now it's, I don't think like it's get that out of my system in the evenings, programming and pod friend. But yeah, I'm doing like, working from scratch, you know, that's a lot of decision, suddenly, you can be like, Ah,

now I need to ask, are you what are you using? Naughty fluffer? What does I called Fluffy,

fluffy. So sad. I think it's, what does it flutter flutter flutter. That's what I was looking for. Yeah, but I'm not, I'm not using that. Actually. I'm using React. And then I'm using, like an OS code that's on the client side. And then I'm for the desktop app, I'm using something called electron. And then for the native apps, I'm using something called Cordova, Apache Cordova where you can basically take a

Now if I if I recall, you were having issues with Apple the first time around getting your app approved. Did you actually ever get it approved at that time?

I got close. Whoo. Yeah. But But, but no, it never got through the test flight. So you know, I managed To talk to maybe you know, 10 people at Apple, you know, every time you submit it, someone new is going to look at your look at it and give you a reason why it wasn't approved. And, and every time I got like, I think the nine first reasons I got for, you know, not approving it was, hey, you know, this, you know, we can see you also have web part friend.com. And, you know, the app is to

Really, thanks, douchebags. That's not very cool. And of them.

So it felt like I got punished a bit for also having the website. But But then in the end, you know, I wrote, I wrote, basically, you know, every single time I wrote a new reason why I thought, Hey, by it should pass by and then it I think the last attempt, it did actually go by that hurdle. And then it became something else that was a problem. I can't even remember it, like the screenshots not matching the, the app or something, because some of y'all know, like, some marketing

what are they trying to make it? And just better? You mean? Is that is that an improvement? less of an Internet Explorer? I'm not quite sure what Yeah,

I can see, I can see that they're trying to improve it a lot. I mean, of course, something's still taking time. And I, the way I see it, it's probably like an anti monopoly, like thing that they're trying to do. Because Oh, yeah, of course, they've already been pushed to, you know, allow some apps from outside the App Store. And I think this is an attempt for them to say, oh, you know what, you know, we can run any progressive web app. So I think they felt like they had to up their game.

Now, how far down the stack? Did you go with the rewrite? I mean, did you just go from complete scratch? dynoed? Like, the empty, empty project level? Or did you?

Yeah, I mean, empty pocket, empty project level, but then, because because they kind of had to, because I used a different both a different framework for the interface. And then I also use a different framework for state management. But, of course, there are some things, you know, the whole, the whole server side, I haven't touched because all the API endpoints are still there. And that's why, you know, when Adam said, hey, I can still use my old view. So you know, that's

use subscribe to the rewrite it three times methodology. You know, the third time is, like, right at once you're gonna hate it right? It's right at the second time, realize, you know, man, if I'd only done this, and the third time's the charm.

Yeah. So I fully buy into that, if I'm getting paid to do it. Yes, because it definitely does improve it. Like I remember. You know, some of the times when I've worked for bigger companies, for example, like the one I'm working for now, you know, we did do that where we, you know, really, really thought hard about, like, this function should be the best it could be. And then, you know, you rewrite it and couldn't be shorter, couldn't be more clear, and you can always improve it.

then well, one of the one of the things that you did, which just blew my socks off is the way you are presenting transcripts.

Oh, yeah. That was actually funny. Like, it kind of almost happened by, like, by chance. But the people that follow along on podcast index at social, they might remember I posted a screenshot like, Hey, does anyone have ideas on how, you know, this could be better? And of course, some people did reply, like and said, Hey, this app does it well. And I looked, and I was like, Yeah, it's fine, but it's not.

Oh, the F word. Fine, fine.

And then, and then I saw like, hey, we have these speakers and most of these transcripts, like, why couldn't it be like, you know, and I thought about, like, a text or messenger conversation. And then I saw, hey, you know, these names? Could I, you know, put into Avataan, another person tag, and I'm like, hey, you know, almost all transcripts that I look at, they have the same name as speakers as in the person tag, I can just pull in the avatar. And then yeah, the

you're going to show Oh, you're going to show booths like fountain does.

I haven't seen how fountain does it? It's been a long time since I've

okay, you're going to surface them though. That was put it that way you want to surface? Yes. Okay.

Yeah, Oscar actually reached out to me about he had an idea about how we could share boosts comments together.

The evil plan comes true.

But essentially, that's actually that's, that would be really cool. Because I think that is one thing, like, maybe not missing, but it would be a very, very nice to have. Because if I want to surface boosts, if I can only show you know what's coming through pod friend, of course, then I'm missing a lot of the ecosystem. And even if pod friend was to get, you know, popular, which of course, I hope it does, then, you know, can I was no doubt that, you know, fountain would still be popular.

Well, this, this brings me to an import. First of all, I'd love it if you do it the same way that that fountain does it. I personally like adding a service into the value block split. And just so that you know, so I send one, one 1% to fountain and that activates. Yeah, I think it actually activates from any app that you then boost from. Now it doesn't it doesn't handle the I think that's the way it was the way it works.

I mean, that makes make sense, right? Because then they also get a boost. I mean, the only thing that I could have, like the only thing I could have against that is that when you look at podcasting to kind of defeat, I think you already have 12 people in there. And you know, you keep adding more at some point, you're almost going to run out of splits. Well, well,

this is a different, there's a couple issues here. First of all, thank you very much for sending me your wallet information upfront. That forced me to and this is for Steven B. It's when you're when you're using a general channel level value block just for the show. Or even if it's episode it whenever you need to copy it to another place copy your value block currently in sovereign feeds have to copy every single

Why couldn't you extend this the same concept to web to webinars? Yes, like over RSS, just over RSS. icon down

exactly. Everything, it's a whole new way of looking at value for value and with the lid protocol, with the streams. Webinars a great idea with a stream, it's streaming and someone has to operate this obviously, but that's you know, maybe Steven B can quit his day job and do this full time. And then at the end the webinar turns into we're recording and all the value blocks are intact in the right spot with his beautiful synchronization system.

But through but through podcast apps, just yes or no pike you know yet you tune in to this webinar or not through zoom. But through pod friends.

Yes, exactly. And I just got all hyped about I'm like oh my god this this is this is something completely new. Now. What if anyone wants to do this? October Bitcoin Amsterdam, is when they'd like to do it and the streaming you know, they, they're gonna send out a stream. I mean, that's not the hardest part. It's, you know, setting this up and collecting all the info and getting you know, getting people lightning wallets. I'm sure. Moritz get Alby would be delighted to help.

ambitious said like America's Got Talent.

Well, you can, of course you can do I mean, we can extend that wherever you want to go. But I think initially, just to be able to have a panel. And just so and this is partially, I'm gonna get back to you here, Martin, because you said hey, why don't you do the you know, if you want to put me in the live block, and this is something we should have done a long time ago. But we had guests upon guests and I felt it was unfair for the previous week's guests to not get the you know,

I must say that's really motivational. I can actually sit here and look at my LP wallet and see the the SAT streaming. That's it's a pretty nice experience.

So it is working here you're seeing that it's definitely working. Yeah, this is

this is hot, baby, I love it. But think about how we can blow the webinars, conferences, anything. And of course, you could pre program Dave, you know, we have we have the software for that. But I think having and I'm not quite sure how you do that, you know, not everybody has, of course, a feed. But I from what I understand from the new description of the value time split tag is you don't even have

be here cotton gin, screwing around. He says when can I boost my president? That a political political rallies? Same thing? Same thing? That's Yes, a campaign donation. I mean, Hey, Ryan. This is

rice. Rice, sexiest sexy, the lit protocol, the lit item, the live item tag really brings a whole new category of cool stuff to light.

In you guys.

Now, there's some things. There's some things that are needed for that though, like what one one thing is we so we're gonna, we're gonna have to push this. We're gonna have to push this idea there that?

Well, here's the here's the target. And then the target is Bitcoin. Amsterdam, October. Those guys are completely open. They're virgin. They're blank slate. They're jacked about, and we don't need any permission from the whole Starfleet Command over there. It sounds like our producer of what's his name? Scott, I think, who does the production of the

So that the issue that I see it, this is not an issue that stops any of this. But there's a couple there's a couple things here that bring that that come to mind. So firstly, we need the price and I will take this as my as my duty. We need a an explainer a comprehensive thing that shows exactly how to do this. It because because I'm impressed that you just read the value time split and understood it.

feel I'm very flattered that you are impressed that I understood what you wrote. But

I'm impressed because I read it and I didn't understand it. Like,

did you rewrite it three times Dave?

Did not reread it? Well, of course, I read it probably 16 times I

read it and immediately went, Well, how come I can't do recursion? Which everyone was laughing like, Oh, I see why. Yeah, that could be that could cause a problem.

This is because I know how I know how the thing works. And um, but maybe it's all the years of helpdesk work or whatever that is. I'm reading this and I'm like, no, no, nobody, no human is going to understand this unless you already know what it does. Right. And so I think I even wrote in the spec. This thing needs, there's going to be an explainer for it because we were I wrote that blog post a while back about how to do live. But really, really, I mean, so much

a manual. Yeah, well, yeah, yeah. Joe. So Stephen B, of course already said tell me what you need. I'll have a bill by the end of the week. Okay. Yeah. Obviously, but his production tool is pretty much already there. I mean, what I'd say is, I would need a way to put in lightning addresses. So right now he has albums, and then you know, it automatically propagates the value block. So to be able to just use the same interface, you have to see sovereign feeds.com To

I don't know, what you mean by does not have to be an RSS feed. Okay, so

where do you get the information from? So when I'm playing a song, the information for that value block for that song is in its RSS feed? For remote value? Yeah, the value block. Right. Now, if I have four speakers on a panel, how do I put them into a into a complete value block?

Okay, yes. Okay. That's what you mean. So that, yes, there's two, there's two, the two functions for the value time split time, the value time split tag. We're very we're veering into, you understand we're veering into fifth namespace talk here. So

is it hot and sexy? Because then you know, then we complain. And now it's time for a namespace talk, not just som namespace talk. It's hot, hot,

hot, hot. Hot namespace talk.

I mean, it even has the word split in it. So yes. The, the name the value time split tag as to possible children, that one, it can, it can take either a remote item tag, which would reference another feed somewhere else, or it can directly except value, value recipient tags. So you can go you can just be statically, put those in, or you can reference a remote item where it's done. And that would be dynamic on the fly. Because it's dynamic on the fly. Look up. I

Gotta gotta gotta you gotta go. Okay, perfect. So, yes, we need to write that up. Yep. Yep. It would be great if we can figure out and I guess Dave, you and I will talk to the Bitcoin 24 Production guys about getting this going. And, and then we'll see, you know, who raises their hand? I mean, whoever will need someone to, you know, to operate the system during the conference, which can be multiple people, of course.

If it would bring in I think it would break things. Yes.

I think it's a no, no, I think it's a money making trains, I think it will break brands, I think it's a money making opportunity. People will get it, that audience will get it and conference organizers, everywhere. We'll get it the number one thing is your speaker's speaker, you know if that if you're not promoting something, if you're not being if you're if you're not being sent by your company, to show

Well, we I think we need here. Here's part two of this. I think I texted you this morning, I think we need to make as part of this whole thing. So it's yes, a real push for Bo

Boyle. And this will make it happen at that conference.

And I can tell you and let me tell you why. Because I don't know if you saw strikes announcement of like, Dave completely reengineered their their infrastructure?

No, I haven't. Yeah, I think this

maybe was posted today or yesterday it's been within the last day or so. They've they've done a complete overhaul, they now custody, their own their own coins, bank, Bitcoin, they have new banking part, getting rid of plaid. Oh, good. Tons of stuff was about

time that got rid of plaid.

Yeah, they're doing tons of stuff there. And one of the things is, they're making it where you can spend, when you send somebody money or receive money, that those funds can either go into or come out of your cash balance or your Bitcoin balance, it's interchangeable, they're all the

Yes, exactly. That gets all that stuff out of the way.

Yeah, cuz it can generate invoices. So you, if you if you put in bolt, what if it's, if everybody adopts Bolt 12 you can it's really reasonably reusable invoice, right? You can generate it once it's tied to your strike account or your cash app account or blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you blah, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden, everybody can use their own thing for

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, it

opens the field way up and makes this a whole lot easier,

we'll do that that's a part of it, that that will be a part of and that'll be a part of the pitch.

We're affected. We, if there's one thing that we are good at, we are effective users of shame, and I think we can employ that

degree. That's right. I do shame on you.

We can deploy that strategy.

Well, also, to be even more fair about it. I mean, we're doing things we were the first I would say lightning project to really get people to part with their Bitcoin on a consistent basis. Yeah, not even from purchasing something per se. And we are still, as far as I know, really one of the few who have really implemented micro payments, which is not even on the lightning labs radar anymore. You know, like, well, how can we send, you know, big, big money and how can we make it USD?

Z for feet Z for V? stats.com? Yes, shorts. Yeah. But yeah, like my favorite thing was that was when, when you brought that up in the Bitcoin ran the lightning roundtable, and they said, Well, you're probably just gonna have to send bigger payments. No, yeah,

that that was that was actually quite lame. When that would that came back as the answer.

Yeah, no, this is this is a fantastic idea. I love I love this. Wow, incoming.

I haven't looked at the Go ahead, Martin. I'm sorry. Yeah, I

was just thinking, you know, you know, we're talking about podcasting. 2.0 apps, but why not make a, you know, a specific conference app, you know, both for hosts. And for the attendees, you know, that only shows to speaks, you know, you can attend play, you

know why? Because we

can delete the use of it.

We can even make a music specific app. So I'm not gonna I'm not gonna hang around waiting for that to happen. Personally. I think we haven't. We have the we have the infrastructure. Of course, someone could do that, of course. But let's not wait for it. We have podcast apps that do that do this. I mean, we also didn't make a live only app for for the live stuff. You know, it's all within the podcast app. So I think we have the infrastructure ready to go.

We can definitely put a new note on that note and Martin we can definitely put a new medium type in there. That's

what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what I mean. I

mean, I mean, you Note, you know, I certainly imagined that some point, you know, at the top or bottom or side of pot friend note, you will be able to switch between music and podcasts and then imagine you can just go into options or even, you know, have a different version of pot friend that's called, you know, no conference friend.

Short, medium, Martin. So, come on Viking, we know what you're doing. You're setting up your business already, you know, conference friend, yes. I have a new app I'm building Yeah, we know, it's

just the main

move faster, what else is gonna do it? And well, this, this brings up one other point, which is important. The last song that we played on podcasting 2.0, which we did with the value time split, was Cory Keller. And as I and a lot of other people noticed, it didn't move the needle on it in Wave lake. And that is because it's self hosted, which is completely valid. And the only bummer about that I don't really care too much about the chart. But the bummer was, I have as

I liked it. I liked it. That's how this goes. We discussed it. And it didn't it didn't happen.

Whenever we talked about something, Stephen B always makes it happen. So I don't understand what happened. What needs to be done for that to work. Is it possible? I mean, it's not about a chart I'm not interested in in top 40s. I mean, it's fun to have. But it's more, it's more important that as a as a as a podcast, as a podcaster. I can see oh, you know, I'm really happy that this guy, you know, got 100,000 sets

Now, it can happen. It can happen. I'll make it happen.

Can you just tell me how that works? How will you make it happen?

I'll write the code for it.

But where is the where's the code have to live? Is that is that code unhealthy pad or is that? Oh, it's just an okay. So it's not the way we're sending it? It's it's how it's being parsed?

Well, it's well, it's all that I mean, like if the So hello, hello, Pat just needs to be modified in order to help it needs to be modified in order to see the new, the new components of the TLV record. It's not exposing that to you. That's that's the problem. God so so you're not you're not seeing the new information. And that that's just something I just had to get in there and do it.

Is there any information in the TLB that that, you know, signals that hey, this was sent back to this podcast, but on behalf of another podcast? That's

it? It is yeah, it is. We put that in there and meet let me see if I can find it. Is blipped in. And that's part of the

sausage. There's some additional stuff coming through the TLV record.

Yeah, that's in the namespace. Now, Martin.

Let me get with it. Martin for you.

Where you been Mario's you know, I implemented the value at Sam's player. And I think I forgot that details. So you know, people that are getting the boost, they will just it will look like any boost that's coming through. So that's something I'll have to add

on that page right now. So let me find out. Let me let me get it for you. Okay, so here it is. So there we added two new optional fields in the TLV. And one is called remote feed Gu ID and string and the other one's called Remote item. Good. That's it. It's sometimes the payment will be sent to a feed value but because a different feed referenced it in a pack podcast value time split tag, when that happens, this field will contain the GUID of the referencing feed.

And I really love this and anyone who's implementing blit I hope you all do that. Because there's something came up that just switching topics a little bit here. You know, Tucker Carlson very famous American television host he got fired from his job for whatever reasons. It's all political, not important. But he started posting on Twitter. Are and I find it highly irritating that you know there's a little number on there there and says 125 million views. And people

I think you mean ultimately. Yes. Ultimately,

it's it's real measurement. You know, and maybe it's not public like those bullcrap view numbers are, but it's important and it's valuable to the to the makers to the people who are part of that transaction, you know, and that's and it's real and when it's real and it's and it involves real value is much more valuable than some number where people are because this is coming you know, after YouTube now it's gonna be Twitter's the new place to put your podcast

knows eject about it

and I call them out on Twitter. So what is it what so what there's no RSS feed in or out? What is the view? What does it mean? And you know he copped to it. But this, this knee jerk reaction, oh, let's let's just a new place. It's a new place to go. Let's face it, podcasting. This is hat tip to Todd, a blueberry. The the COVID period is over. When everyone was creating a podcast or anyone who had a podcast created another podcast, we're back to 5% growth per year Slow and

The this, this brings up this brings up something I've been thinking about. And I mean, I think it's I love this is out of the blue, but I love the apple vision Pro headset goggle thing.

I love it too. But maybe you're being facetious.

I love I love it. And I'll tell you why I am being I don't know if facetious is the right word because I don't know what the definition of it is. But I'm I love this product. Because in my opinion, this is the this will be in the future. This will be looked back upon as the poster child for when everything began to fall apart.

You mean like mainstream media?

No more or more main that the the lie the lie of the of the tank, the lie of technology and technological progress. Interesting. I think the I think the bits the big tech lie, is what I think I'm talking about. Because the so you have what the you know, there's that famous there's that quote about Peter Thiel, I think we may have mentioned is we were promised flying cars, and we got 140 characters, right? Yeah.

When you went out when you say network, what do you mean, because I've long declared the network to be over.

Right. But I mean, I mean things like streaming things. Social media. I think there is a general fatigue that is setting in not because and I think it was prompted initially by COVID I think COVID broke broke the entire world mentally. I think we don't I think we're all we all in agreement on that. Yeah, we're in a we're globally as a part as a as a as human species. We're we've been walking around in a fog for the

But this is the correlation with the PC market decline. We

are post pandemic, yes, people are playing fewer online games. Full stop. By the way, we're seeing podcasting, too. Incidentally. Sure. Spotify just laid off hundreds of podcasts, employees, our audiences for all of our shows is is down by 10 20% I don't know what you're experiencing Richard, you might be a little protected because you're offering something so specific to enterprises. There's just admitted sis admins, but I'm with you. The numbers are off a

See, I think there's two I think there's two things happening here. There's ech advert we know advertising is down, for sure. We know that that's

what got revenue was up. It's crazy.

It is, which is, which is it's a miracle. We know, we know this is the case with with advertising. But that's that's not necessarily what he's talking about here. He's saying, and and they are concurring, that listener that just flat out listening is down. And that's, you know, the podcast, the advertising piece that is affecting us clearly companies like Spotify, NPR, you know, everybody that's led this laying people off

now just op three confirmed that listening is down overall.

Yeah, I don't know. And it could in this this is this is where, you know, that's, that's a complex question.

i But yeah, I think if I can just cut in my from, from my perspective, I certainly think, you know, if I look at my own patterns, and you know, some of my friends patterns where we, you know, talk about podcasting are listening is up, but we're listening to a lot more smaller podcasts, like, so it's more distributed, like I think, you know, you talk about, you know, social fatigue. And I think that's definitely true, but I, but I think people are just going to smaller communities.

How about this? How about this as a as a off the wall theory, because we all broke during COVID. The thing we're tired, and I certainly have this, and I, I'm sure there's a overall fatigue of being a part of the mass. And the mass usually is split up to, you know, pro against Red, Blue up down, you know, it's all we're tired of being part of a big group that fights against another group, or just being

That That makes a lot of sense. I think it also fits. It also fits with my, with my pretty pretty well, actually, with my much general inclination, which is my overall my podcast, consumption is down a little bit, but not a ton. But my overall media consumption if you're my media diet as a whole, is definitely down. And it's, it's because like, You're You're a hard read on this, Adam, because you this is your job. I mean, your job is media, you know, deconstruction. So you're

let me give you a personal experience. Okay. Yes, being a media deconstructionist, I felt I needed everything. And I had a $300 spectrum, subscription cable television included internet to be honest. So that chunk of those internet but it was outrageous. And when Tucker Carlson left I was pretty much the only thing I would check out and not even regularly my own fatigue because like he's not saying anything interesting. We, we cut it, got rid of it. We got rid of it. And then we got

Okay, see this the end? This is this is what I'm saying. And so I have I don't know that anybody understands exactly why This is but

let me just interject. Okay, we watch the chosen on on their own app on the Roku. And the other day, we wanted to watch the K love awards and got it not on YouTube TV on YouTube, the Trinity broadcast network. Very. So I'm kind of more with Martin. Our consumption is up, but it's much more diverse. And, and you know, and I'm I am, I am definitely listening to more podcasts for longer than I used to. Now I have opportunity, I don't have a commute, but you know, I cook, I

For sure, that's yes, I would. That's for sure. The case with me too. I think there are, I think the big loser in this is going to be general media consumption, not that I think there are going to be that works. No, you're gonna have one or two, or you're gonna have a few big things this people to it momentarily. And then it goes away the days of people just letting like, the days of me just letting my Netflix subscription go month after month after month, and I'm

going bankrupt is very slow, then all of a sudden this really fast. Just turn it off and modifies own note, I think confirms what we're talking about here. The So forget all the stories about so they fired 200 people which I think was probably two thirds of their podcasting division, maybe

Yeah, I mean, it's Well, I would say both the Satoshis but also you know the messages to booster grams that comes with them, you know, in just super motivational like yeah, I you know, after the break would would pop friend you know, I of course, there's still people using pot friend even in that break, because they, you know, somehow made it their app. But when I came back I saw immediately people just jumping in helping tested sending boosted boards. Yeah. Yeah. But

I'm interested in, I want you to come back to that, because I'm interested to see what that was.

Yeah. No, but yeah, but But what I want to say is just like the value for value, you know, it really is time, you know, talent and treasure, like, the time is so important, and the talent as well, like, you know, sometimes people reach out, like, just want to help improve things. And also, for example, the transcript data library, you know, that it saves me time to use something like that. And, you know, just plug it in. And, of course, I already had some code that did something

Martin Martin is also our first guest, who, sticking with the talent part, who has been asked to select a song to play. So for those of you listening to this, and listening in real time or listening after the fact, please make sure you're using curio caster. Pod friend, of course, is Has anyone else been added to the list for the for the value time split yet? I think those are the only two still. Dave, do you know?

I'm not sure what you're asking.

Oh, when we play a song for the for the value block to change?

Oh, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. No, I don't Yeah, I don't know of any others. I mean, you said, you said Oscar is in progress, but I haven't heard from him. It's still the only to you.

So. And the only caveat is, you know, if you're listening on pot friend live, it doesn't work. Because I'm, I still haven't hooked up to Steven B's magical live stream yet.

It's all it's all running with scissors. It's okay. It's all right. It's all running with scissors. So why don't you tell us what you chose and why.

So first of all, I would say that, you know, looking for good, decentralized artists and track to play. It's, I had to, you know, same experience that I might have had, like 20 years ago, 30 years ago, you know, going into a record store and looking through through records, but no categories. I think, like it's just, you know, judging by the cover, and then Oh, this looks like maybe r&b Let me try to

You know, and I think part of that was, and I've seen this on no agenda, social, you know, people well, that's centralized music, and that's bad and new, we need decentralized. And I'm, and I'm, and I will remind everybody that 90% of you are using a centralized wallet system known as git albie.com. So be careful who you're pointing the finger

Just yet on the website,

just to be able to sample it. I'm not quite sure sovereign feeds pulls in stuff from I don't know where but that's really the way I do it. And interestingly, when I do in sovereign feeds, I have no way to test to listen to the music, I can find it all. And I can put the value blocks in, but I can't hit a play button Anyway, anyway, to listen to what it is. So this is all brand new. And we have to look at it from all sides from the artists from the podcast or from the app

loins another great word is like low lunch and moist I have

moist loins when I listened to this song activating the block everybody there you go. And we're gonna listen to like wine from Abel and the Wolf from the album stay while

this day could get much colder and gray keep to watch you go down the street to eat different money is not the life of robbers to learn how to sleep disorder is all the cells in

able in The Wolf of podcasting 2.0 like wine with the value block being split between April Kirby Spencer and blueberry gotta love it nice love it and I had a rare moment back in the day you know on the radio like oh I could finally go to the bathroom come on come on did you go Dave No

no I did not go I was as proofed by the livestream I've been here in my seat the entire time but it's funny because there's an entire alternate universe going on over

Oh, my head is spinning. I did want to end So one thing about the Apple vision pro why I liked this device. And I think it's I think it's been missed read by a lot of people, you know, I had a lot of people who were talking about who clearly didn't even look at what it really does, oh, it's an AR VR headset. First of all, it's Pro, when you use a pro, I presume this can be for business. But I see it's there,

Yeah, I completely agree. Like, it's sitting here at home right now. You know, I have three monitors, I work I work exclusively remote, ever since COVID. You know, we got in my company the option to be remote. And as I just said, yep. And never looked back. And, and yeah, I have to three monitors. But whenever I go, for example, to the office, then I suddenly only have a laptop and it feels like I'm like handicaps

well, you know, the the way that's being explained is well, you're getting a computer and you're getting a huge screen television, etc. You're getting all those bits and pieces in there.

And that's fair, except that you probably also have the other things like you will still have a TV you still have not in

your tiny home. You won't Martin about in your pod.

There's there seems to be there's a couple of issues here that I see. I think the biggest one clearly is that your your use case while completely valid. Is such a small fraction of what they need to sell in order to make this thing feasible.

Oh yeah, no, no,

it will it will completely crash and burn that and the other. The other issue that I see nobody talking about, which is I find it impossible to believe that they have solved this is all augmented reality stuff has the same problem. They lose state. They lose their kid connection to the geometry of the space around them. And before in it, this happens frequently, and you have to start moving the device very slowly. Or else it or else the, the, the visuals begin to jump

They certainly didn't show anyone moving around, everyone was static standing at their desk or sitting down. The other thing I'll say, and I'm going to call this a big success, not this version, but this will be a success. It will, I think it will, the way it would work for me, is I'm going into work mode, or maybe it's entertainment mode. And the rest, I'm just going to have my light phone, I

Yeah, I mean, it's fun. It's like, it's like the the device that you tried to create a few years ago where it was, like it perfectly met and perfectly met your needs. And it's like a well is there. But that is the market big enough to just sustain it as a product.

Well, you know, and then the Australian stole my idea, and it's fantastic. I mean, yeah, I love watching the road caster Pro, I mean, even the duo that's closer to what I was building, you know, to build, they build that for 499. God, I love them for that they built exactly what I wanted what I needed. And I think there clearly is a market. But my mistake was thinking, you know, I can, I can serve as that

it and see what I hear, you

know, just just gonna say, let's also remember that, you know, Apple is a, you know, premium company, and you know, just as with iPhone, you know, then if this turns out to be, you know, a success and they will be half price. Oh, yeah. You know, we are set, you know, that can do not, maybe not the exact same thing, but almost the same thing. And maybe even you

Yeah, I think so I went the the visual glitch out thing to me is is, is a huge deal. And maybe I'm wrong. I remember going to when, when 3d television was first becoming like a thing. I remember. Go into there locally, they had the college football championship game. I can't remember what year this was the college football championship game was on. But they were playing in theaters. And so this was like an ESP NS big push to show off their 3d technology. So there were they

yeah, no, there's all kinds of things that go wrong, but we have to actually try it too. Hey, am I am I am I mistaken that I'm looking at V for v stats.com. Is it B for B stats.com? Is that what we do? Yes. It looks like overall we're up overall number First seemed to be up like it typically it was like a million SATs rolling through. Am I saying this right? Let me see. Now it seems like we're at 2.2 million SATs flowing through the system per day.

What do you what time period are you basing that calculation on?

I'm just looking at the seven days. Seven day okay? No no no no I'm sorry No, no, it's different one um, I don't know why it just seems like it's up

that I think it's up in the short term it I think it's the that hasn't been reflected in the long term yet. I think you can see that from this Yeah, any day is beginning

Oh p 1990. days just have a slight trend has a slight uptrend. If I drew a line it would show an uptrend from about 4000 to 6000 whatever that's

called, would you call this a head and shoulders pattern?

Sure, a black swan event? That's what it is.

Open saucer is just a cup as though so

shall we? Thanks some people. Since we've been yapping away for a bit here. First of all, I want to thank chyron I got my T shirt. Very excited about that. And I just wanted to share this note because you know, I boosted extra was the episode you were on. And I boosted him, and my boosts was enough to get me t shirt. Thanks for supporting mere mortals Adam, everything you and Dave have done and are doing is changing lives mine in particular. I can't express how

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what is he talking to you says I'm sorry this isn't the chat GPT window Okay. On a fun a funny Okay, we're on another 33,333 from hard hat through curio caster Eric p p with the booths with 3333 Blueberry with 16,969 says had to pop into the boardroom to use the podcasters room currently on route to the arms of a small group of people for Spencer's birthday which is today all roads leads to Uranus, Missouri.

We got no one off papers this week transition

completed.

We're fully transitioned. Yeah, we got none of those on the fret. I actually need to I need to open up.

Oh, you didn't do your booster grams. You were too busy setting up OBS.

No, no, I'm just afraid I'm just afraid to open Thunderbird because I've got so much crap going here already.

All right. Let me just let me jinxes.

Like, let's see.

Alright, I got I got some error on on Hindenburg that said you're going to lose data the stream from the something and we can't it's not fast enough. I don't know what it said. But luckily I have the backup running. But now I can. I can see the the actual like the it's hard to explain. But the recording cursor is moving except now the the waveform is a little behind. So I don't know if you've lost something. I wrote down a timecode I'll check it I have a full lossless backup

Okay, well, let's see this. This is okay so we got booster grants we got that anonymous tu tu tu tu nice we get it we'll get well there's multiple of those tu tu tu tu for for those so thank you anonymous Mike Dell pod verse he says no name while no name while live due to lb issues all fixed

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Spurlock this week about this about this very issue. And so we get we talked a lot about it and I wanted I wanted to bring it up on the show but we're I don't know that we'll have time is a big topic. So we'll discuss the D duping and the index you know ingestion and all that stuff we can do that we'll talk about that next week.

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Yeah, I bet Yes. See that here's the problem, but I wasn't boosting us. And I bet you we didn't get 45,000 because that went to Cory Keller from pod pod friend I think right?

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Got to probably sent another one to me. Yeah, I boost our artists are you kidding me?

Yeah, um, did you boost during the live or after the episode was published?

No, I didn't boost during the live I'm going to wait no that was That was last week Martin and that was after was already published. Okay, not during the live work. Yeah, no, that that one worked. I know that one worked I tried during the no i don't know i boost so much. I'm ball boosted out.

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On the topic of YouTube, sucking out the revenue from the podcast advertising space, it's already happening. Longtime well established podcast sponsors are pulling out of podcasts for the remainder of the year and doing just YouTube buys. Wow. Because they can do them at scale. The individual deals with the podcasters take too long, and the results vary too much. And they can't adopt quick when the money is tight.

Is that and I'm curious? Is that? Is that YouTube? Or is it also the evil tick tock because I'm thinking that a lot of us gotta go to tick tock. All I hear is marketing people who are shifting their budgets to tick tock. I wish I wish we you know, I just I feel like we're being lied to and not maybe not purposely. But you know, all these numbers about you know, billions and billions serve billions of dollars and podcasting, it just doesn't ring

And you don't know who's being honest and who's not. I mean, that's

I think a lot of people are not dishonest, but they're just taking numbers at face value. It's like Oh yeah, 1.8 billion. It's gonna be 5 billion by the end of 2020. For sure. Yeah, yeah, but yet Spotify had to fire 200 people explain nothing wrong.

I see nothing wrong with this logic.

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By the way thank you very much blueberry or love you brother gave me a whole new V four v logo on the fly I've already plugged it in and we're going to save this publish the feed might even change for you why while we're doing it I don't know. I don't know how that works.

What is was is it look killer? Oh yeah,

it's animated. It's got like, blue clouds flying behind it and stuff is beautiful. Let's be updated the feed I don't know if I don't know if that comes through right away. But it's it's killer. Thank you man.

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it is so interesting watching this stuff with no agenda tube going on all this all this develop like all this checking and all this stuff is really cool. It's like what image scissor sharpening mere mortals podcast central Richards, the podcast guru. Hey, Adam, just checking if your mm shirt has arrived yet Plus check out where I'm boosting from

where's he boosting from?

I don't know. Hey, question. Podcast guru. That's what he's talking about.

Oh, oh, right. I promoted that on no agenda. Yesterday. I said to you, oh, we got fountain jobs like never heard of it. So no, it's pretty big. I've never heard of it. How about pub? Never heard of it? I've mentioned it 100 times. How about podcast addict? Podcast guru? Why is it a guru like Oh, brother.

Hey, on this wonderful thing, he's open to new things. That's great

on the stream, is that keeping everyone in the value block there with their their value block tool does that does that take the value block that I have for the live stream and and repurpose it?

Yeah, let me let's it's it's our it's our value blog. And with with that, and added to, it's our value bought with with theirs I wouldn't do with Alex's split in the VAT is parallel universes running in tandem. I love it. I

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love it. 3333 balderdash boys to found and he says thank you for your help Adam and go podcasting.

Well that was also Dave Of course. We Wonder Twin powers activate. How were you on the on the tools?

The tools? We that was part of the discussion was burlock Well, okay, cool. Yeah, I think we got some ideas on Windows. Next week, Borlaug. 11 711, through pod verse, he says a s s o r. Y. And so are where the middle one is just bent a little strong word gentleman as soon as he

is s o r is the S O R.

Yeah, it's a Gilligan acronym is just all caps. S O R. I don't know why man Borlaug. I'm not falling brother. I don't know what you're talking about

trying to think what SR would be

I don't know.

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See? Jacob 2500 SATs no note. Thank you, Jacob. Joe Martin music 2100 SATs through fantasy. So is it possible to host publish and monetize your own content from a start nine embassy today? Question mark.

Oh, very good question. You know, let me say let me say this about that.

Looking at okay, Jen, go ahead.

I'm looking at IPFS podcasting because I was just looking at this looking at IPF podcasting dotnet I think, actually it is possible. So, now, I publish all of all of my feeds, I publish them all through sovereign feeds. And then that automatically gets ingested by IPFS podcasting running on the Start nine, and it creates a new RSS feed for me, which is identical to, to my, you know, to the feed that

This is this is where this the solution. So a solution for this would be if sovereign thieves had an app for the start nine, correct you could where you could plug in your sovereign where you can take sovereign feeds and then plug in an object storage bucket somewhere that had a DNS name attached to it. Yep, yep. Then your gold and all you need. And those

guys are going clear net pretty soon. So you will actually be able to host stuff on the Start nine through your home connection, of course, your results will vary. But just having a storage bucket gal, you're golden and it could also be cast upon either one but someone has to create an app and apparently is not all that hard. And I'm telling you, I'm telling you to hear me now believe me later. I am moving all my stuff to the Start nine we had a power outage which was cool. Because

Well, that that so so do you have on the on the Start nine? Does it come back up automatically once that goes out? Like yeah,

yeah, yeah. Came back out. And you know, we had Yes, it came back up automatically. It was out for two and a half hours, the power, it was fantastic. Love our life. Well, and because the router came back up, but we've got the fiber connection. So you know, I don't think they have any, any power requirements until it hits whatever, you know, wherever the fiber is going. I don't know what the distance is before you have to amplify the light signal. But it worked just fine.

I think multimode fiber is like a mile or something like that mile and a half before SB repeated a couple of miles.

Well, it weren't maybe wrong. And of course I had the Starlink in case but not the same experience.

Martin what internet speed do you have in there in your in outside of Copenhagen?

Yeah, I also have fiber so 1000 to 11,000 down. So

I got five gigabits here people. Yes, swinging around, up and down.

I think 1000 is like a one cubed max here right. Now if I could get five I would have five. So and also I just I just googled that server now and now I want one. So the start Yeah, exactly. But But I am thinking like, like think because I was thinking hey, could I save money and just host the podcasts and so on it but and I probably could do I want to

know, just No, no, no wrong right away. No, no, no, I've been down that road many times. By the way I need to interrupt anonymous, or someone who didn't know how to fill out their name on curio caster has sent us in a row one after another 55,555 44,444 and 65,656 Satoshis

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Thank you all so much for supporting podcasting 2.0 You're not just supporting the podcast you are supporting the entire project and everything that goes along with it, including liquidity for anybody who needs that who was out there and needs a channel we're happy to Oh, happy to open one to you. Let's see. This is no nothing on the tally coin.

Martin, I got a couple of questions.

Yes, shoot

dark mode.

Oh possible? Yes. And our you know, I actually got an email about that today. This morning. And

it wasn't me, I

promise. No. But it was someone that says hey, I just love that but I'm getting blinded by it. And, and it was also the number one request from my wife. Like she she runs everything in dark mode. So like he meets How many

guys have a wife who runs everything in dark mode.

That's a keeper.

That's a real keeper by the way. 77,777 from the same anonymous coming in and St. Martin Are you seeing that? You must see a nice little chunk coming on your get Alby wallet there.

Let me just see well,

that's a striper boost. I'll give a striper.

Yeah, my part of that was just 7700 sets just right down into pug.

Wait and we got another one another 170 7777 Go podcasting. ADAM You said follow us. Uh, no agenda social instead of podcasts. Oh, yeah. I'm an idiot. Podcast index dot social. Thanks for reminding me was 77,777 SATs podcast. I should make more mistakes.

Very nice.

Um, see? Okay, so in pod friend the the Live episode art has already updated and I see the animated V for V that is killer. Beautiful. I love it with the storm clouds on it.

Yeah, that's the one that's the one do anything. I

didn't refresh the page. I didn't do anything. It just popped up. How

does that even work? How does that work? Why did that happen? Why did that happen?

So that so the reason why that happened is actually because in the background, pop friend updates to the podcast page every 10 minutes just to see if there's anything new. How about that? So yeah,

that's that's beautiful. I mean, like I just flipped back over there to see if it would indeed blind me with a non dark mode and it did but I also got to see cool artwork, which is

the only thing is that now the show cover art is not loading for me for some reason.

Oh, I actually I actually synced it with the with everything. Oh, and that was probably dumb. Tomas seconds.

Yeah

show info. I know what I did. Yeah, because I yeah, I sync the whole thing. That wasn't the smartest. Oh, I can I can fix that.

Dame Jennifer entered the no agenda to chat. Nice, nice nice to show this this this is I'm gonna have to like lay down and take a nap after this because it's

a little much for you, David, I feel like you're getting fatigued you have the rest of the day off. You gotta have to go back to the big work week be workplace

rested day off. I'm good. I'm good. I can realize my other question for you, Martin is, but he

didn't get to say I will be working on the dock mode. So within the next. But when I say two two weeks or something, I probably mean like, within the next month or so. Okay. So the way the way I programmed the interface, it should be fairly simple. Like I keep keep every single, you know, variable in one big app CSS state, like everything that is not standard. So it should, should be

what are you what's your CSS framework is like tailwind or something?

No. So I actually use what's called SASS or notepad. Like thing where you can have like nested CSS, so I think it's just sass. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, that that, ya know, the one you have to compile, right.

Yeah, exactly. It does compile like every single single time. Yeah, I

fix it. So the cover art should should be back. I actually accidentally sync the cool logo with everything. This is only supposed to be the live logo.

What up drip? Yeah, dribs and drabs in the house. All right, it's a party over here. PWA push notifications. What about that? Can we can we get PWA push notifications now that that's supported? Like across the board?

So you're asking me,

you're not gonna get an answer for me. Yeah. Every single apple will notify you all the time.

No, no. Yeah. So that's definitely something that will come at some point. Because, you know, I want that. It's more that I have, I've never tried to implement, like a notification that that's not like directly from the app. So let's just have to figure out how to do that best. It's probably super easy. I just, I just I just never tried it before.

Okay, Mark, we were at two bucks and eight cents. Oh, yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna end the party. Now. Dave. By the way, Dave will be ready with your booster grams. He will be removing a piece of clothing for the higher the SAT boosters over there on his only fans. No agenda Tube site.

Yes, fan to his left. After the show. The party continues as your fans I'm even gonna log

in and check it out. See what's going on. Martin. Really appreciate you staying up. It was about 10 o'clock now your time. Really appreciate you being back in the boardroom. And it's so good to have you back. Brother. We really are happy to have you and can't wait to see where you're going to take pod friend.

Yeah, I enjoyed it so much. And it's good to be back. Like the, you know, people have just been so great. So it's awesome. Oh, yeah, I look forward to the future.

Oh, wait, wait, I had an ISO.

Yeah, no, I'm trying to play it remarkable. I'm going to play the ISO and remember we have the Hey citizen booster gram song coming at the very end, which you will love because every lots of fan favorites are mentioned in this. Dave Jones my brother, thank you so much. Have a great weekend.

I may need to go Alright everybody.

Thank you chat room. Thank you, Martin. Thank you, everybody. Thank you boosters we appreciate y'all. We'll see you next week here for the board meeting of podcasting 2.0.

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