Episode 135: Maximizing the Pull

podcasting to one over June 2 2023, episode 135

Don't get me into that game, please. I was the only databases

I was so impressed. I was so impressed. You were reading it while you were streaming it live. And we had lots of people watching it was so that was fun. It was

Adam curry,

that's what do you mean, now you're your black cat?

I do agree with I do agree with Alex. It is it is the height of folly to allow your cat to walk around on the on the desk while you're doing server maintenance. That is a very stupid idea. And that did not stop me from doing it though.

This was I think we could have a dude named Ben channel where all you can switch between is the way if you didn't see it, people. So you basically saw Dave screens and then in the corner was Dave and he would he and he had a playlist going so you know we're listening to the music we see in your, your what you're typing on the screen, all your different terminal windows are open. And you know, and everyone's of course waiting for you to show something you shouldn't show.

Flick my credit card number something, whatever, whatever you have,

then you switch it over to the cat. And then you're then you popped on the mic and like, look at my keyboard, I got a whole bunch of these keyboards and it was key point keyboard porn. Oh, that's a great keyboard. I love that. Where'd you get that keyboard? It was

interesting, is showing off my 1980s keyboards that weigh 20 pounds each. Yeah, that's great.

And in general, I just like to say, cuz it was a congress, you know, no agenda, social froze or something. I'm

you have partially as I feel like I can say this with authority, you have partially built your career on making own on being kind and be and playing nice with sis admins. That has been important. I mean, that light has been a part of has been part of you for for 25 years, at least.

Actually, it goes a little bit further than that. When I started doing television when I was 19, I made sure I knew how everybody's job worked. So I knew how the cameras work. I'm not saying that I could be a better cameraman, but I knew how they worked. I knew how they how the dollies worked, how the intercom work, how you press the button to see the live feed. I knew how audio the audio engineer the lighting engineer make up everything I made sure I knew it because television you

oh yeah yeah. So you you need to know how their stuff works so that you can understand their their frustrate you can empathize so you can have empathy. Yeah, well

not just have empathy but I can brainstorm and say well, okay, I don't know exactly how this works. But can we do this? And if you're not full of crap, which most people are at You know, then you'll have an interesting conversation you'll figure it out.

Because no, because this will cause like, no gender social. Is it still down?

No, no, no, it was back up. But you know, so I started that Mastodon site running on Amazon EC two instance. And I ran it for two years and then it just became so unwieldly you know, the upgrades, all the stuff that's going on the pruning of the data, but I just couldn't handle it anymore. And then Matt Hamilton stood up and said, I'll do it. I'll do it and I'll take it in. I'll run it my basement with predictable results, like any server from time to time,

I don't guess have ever told you my guess we've

Oh, goodness, this sounds like some inside info that will do me.

Yeah, well, I mean, it's, it's, it's these are part of the it's part of a larger, you could call it there's a lot more here. I mean, so like what like one of us say these are like a bunch of rules of it, where it's kind of like Ron Swanson's pyramid of greatness. Maybe he has like a whole bunch of I got a whole bunch of these things, but you can wrap it, but it's specifically helpdesk you can rap. You can rap most. I've been doing helpdesk for 27 years. I started in 1990. End of

networks. You were still using Novell. Yeah, yeah.

So So I mean, this is born out of a long, long experience. The three pillars of helpdesk are all software sucks, and is full of bugs. That's number one. Number two, users don't tell you the truth. Yep, total number three, nobody reads your emails. Those are the three pillars.

There's a fourth one. When in doubt, install Adobe Acrobat Reader.

Actually, if there's a fourth one, it's it's this if whatever is wrong, if you're on Wi Fi, that's at least 50% of the vote. That's definitely

DNS. And there's always a DNS as long as yes is always an issue.

But, but all but the, there's a reason that rule number one is all software sucks. And it's full of bugs. It's true, because it's true. Or SIS admin, there's nothing you can do about it, though, like I wasn't perfect case in point I was on I was doing an Amazon order this morning. And, and I went in there to add an address to because this was going to be dropped, shipped to somebody else. So I go in there to add an address. And in the address field for the street address, I

so I really wish everyone I guess another one is people users always have the caps lock on when they don't know their password or it's not working that's always that's always kind of like a given but what happens with in my household now of course I'm IT guy here you know that's that's cool. But I'm also I get passed through messages through Tina from her friends who she's onboarding onto podcasting 2.0 apps and the message usually the message usually come through

In it's great. Like it's it has definitely helped like Millia like most certainly it has helped load aggregation times. So upgrading the database. Yeah, it was fun doing the live stream. That was great. And then I'm a little addicted to live stream coding now.

But I can understand it's all ego of course, but I can understand.

Oh, yeah, full is yes.

100% Oh, no.

It is it is from A to Z ego.

I did this on Megyn. Kelly, I can't believe it. I threw out 100%

And I just my number you didn't you just did it.

And I went oh, I'm sorry. I retract that. She said what what happened? What happened? I said 100%. I'm trying to get away from that. Why? Because Kara Swisher says it. Is it you say that? Oh, yeah. threw her under the bus. No problem. No problem.

See my visa? Why Postgres SQL instead of Mongo? i

to give us Are there any details? I mean, do you want to just give us I mean, this is the central podcast index database, you know, we increased our costs, we increased increased our capacity, our I guess, our processing speed, or our data retrieval speed. I mean, tell give us a little a little breakdown here.

All of the above, it was most number one issue was disk space, we were at at 81% disk space usage. So that was going to have to change. The biggest the biggest issue was display. Second biggest issue was just processor, we needed more CPU, because we're just doing a lot more traffic. Right. And we had a I think people would be very surprised at this at the amount of horsepower, we get out of the size of database

was 16 or what you had 16 Watts, what are those

16 gigabytes of ram,

ram it baby.

So, I mean, if you look at h top, it was like,

Oh, I love your H top show me your H top.

I'm on h top. But if you look at it was like nut, all the all the CPU, all the cores are pegged at like 95 plus percent all the time, just pretty much constantly. Now everything now it's it's a 32 gig box with eight CPU cores. 640 gigs of RAM, so we can fit, we can easily fit the entire podcasts table, feed table in RAM cast fully, we can fit most a lot of the joining tables in and that's helping a lot. So we're getting we're able to, since the the cache size is

that's what makes it that's what makes everything always fast. Right? Pull it out of Ram Ram. Yep,

for sure. So like things like just things like very frequent lookups like in the In the dev API key table and stuff like that, I mean this stuff just be it's just smoke fast now. So, yeah, no, it's it was good. And so that led us. The other thing we needed was at the aggregators, there's, there's nine aggregators. And they all, they all grab batches of feeds at a time according to some sequel selectors. And to try to, like even everything out across, even the load out across

deadlock, bad. Deadlock, deadlock bad.

So that got better after the upgrade. But then I sort of spent some time the day afterwards, going through and doing something I've been meaning to do for a while it's improved the aggregators, and they're more reliable now. So what I did was, I want everything to be as maximum

1,000,002 million. Okay. Right.

So that that's the first selector criteria. So it takes those off the top can

ask you a question. Could you get a feel for these things, right? You say four of those aggregators, I guess that go up to the 4 million or 5 million? Do you notice that one of those is a little faster than the other?

One of them is a little fishy.

I knew it because you can feel that shit. Like you can't. Just faster just this faster, I know is cool.

Well, this is an interesting thing, too, for some reason, and I'm not sure exactly why don't have if it's got something to do it the way that we initially seated the database or whatever. But a lot of the frequently updated podcasts, the most frequently updated podcasts are in the zero to a million ID range. There's a lot a lot of those. So a lot of them have a six digit ID numbers, or five digit ID numbers, like, over like podcasts into 10920666. Is the is podcast index ID for that

we are 920666. Yeah, that doesn't feel good.

Can't change it was the devil's number. Yeah,

no kidding.

No agenda is 41 504. So there's a lot of these low numbers that I don't know, they just ended up in that range. So Mr. Spitz are not now unfortunately, wanting to like, like some special cool

code, man.

Yeah. But okay, so you have, that's, that's what each aggregator does initially, but then that may only be at any given time, that may only be like, I don't know, 10 feeds, right there that are marked for immediate polling. So it fills in the rest of, of its batch. With, with other with feeds that have not based on a priority system, it's there's a priority number in their, in his it's descending of priority. Plus, sorted by how old how long. It's been since the feed was last checked. So

do you have a whole this is called an algorithm also sometimes called artificial intelligence? is fully AI? Yeah, we need to put that podcast index.org. Now with AI?

Yeah, we can claim that we can get r&d research credit tax credit. Now your

talk, you know what this whole thing is r&d research credit.

Oh, yeah, that, you know, we need to apply for that. But we'd have to I think

we have to pay ourselves first in order to it's only for people I think

it's only for payroll, right. We don't have we don't have payroll wouldn't work. So, yeah, so it feels it feels in that so what I wanted to do was make sure that it's getting as many feeds as it possibly can at every poll. So I have it start what's called

maximizing the pool.

Yes, maximizing the pool Showtime. It starts at In 1000, feeds, it pulls us out. So this would be each aggregator does this, it starts at 1000. And then at a at a time, pulls that in if it if it will pull the feeds, and then we're using aggravator, which is the rust polar, then it passes that batch of feeds to party time, which is the JavaScript parser. If party time crashes, we know that there was, too it pulled too much data and it ran node out of memory. So basically, it drops a touch

There's a very intricate algorithm you've created here.

Yeah. Being complicated,

there's a lot of this freedom controller knowledge.

No, this is just stuff that we've learned since the index. Okay. You will the freedom trailer never had this many feats to deal with, right? True. You just never had this kind of problem you're talking about, like the average from Costa Rica was like 6000 feet, you know, it's not a big deal. But so it finds it finds a point where it doesn't crash. And then just in then stays there. And if it stays there for 48 hours, it tries to move up a little bit more. If it crashes, again, it's

Now this was maybe crazy 48 hours, maybe a crazy question. But when it dumps core, I mean, does that mean something fundamentally is wrong? Or is that just an out of memory issue?

It it runs or shooting code

isn't just shitty code. This is my code

as well remember rule number one also for stocks and even even years, you know. So the, the issue here is that, like aggravator, you can throw, you could throw 100,000 feeds at it, and it will take about 30 minutes to download them all. But it will do it. Yeah. And it will never use more than 200 Meg's RAM at the most. That's just it's just super efficient

with gigabytes and gigabytes of stuff. Yeah, yeah, you could

hand party time, five gigs of XML data to deal with and he can't fit it in memory. So it basically so that it does it, it just self adjust as it goes until it finds each until it finds the happy place for each aggregator. And some aggregators are running right now. It 250 to 300 feeds, some are averaging 150 feeds per poll. And it's just it just happens to be whatever mix that they're comfortable with. But

I love this new metric FPP.

What is FPP? Fees? Proposal? Fee? proposal is where

we use predominant, we use pedometer on the on the index homepage. fees per pole. Yeah, fees per pole, how many FPP? We run them? Brah.

Let's see what is that? Let's see this about I think we're averaging about 200. So that's so we're right, we're probably about 2000 feeds per per minute. Wow. Yeah, per minute. And that's prioritized for you know, those different factors that I was talking about.

And so when I hit pod ping, do I move to the top of some stack? Do I have preference when I use when I hit pod ping? Or does it do I have to wait in some queue? Well, I

mean, everything's got to be everything. He does get queued. I mean, it has to Yeah, but the first thing, the first thing that all the aggregators do is try to pull immediately parse feeds that have been pod paint. Because the pod ping and the pod ping notices and the web sub notifications all that stuff goes into one batch. So it pulls all that and what and we automatically recheck value for value enabled feeds every 30 minutes anyway.

Oh, very cool. Oh, it's so there's almost 15,000 feeds that get prioritized.

Yeah. So those those get run through every 30 minutes regardless of whether they it's not a real burden because we're doing what do you call it? Like an E tag? And yeah, to

make sure it's a 500 check, and yeah, make sure it's updated. Otherwise you don't you don't pull it in.

Yeah. So we, I mean, it's just a quick check, and we get three or four and it's just it's not, it doesn't cost us anything to do that. Wow. Yeah, no, it's working. That's

so cool, man. Um, thank you on behalf of the entire board of podcasting 2.0 Thank you for your courage. Thank you for the work you're doing. It's it's appreciated. And it's it's mystifying. It's overwhelming. And it's also just baffling is like, and it's impressive. It's impressive. And you have a full time job. I want to point out, I mean, does your family still live with you? Do you know if they're still around? Yes. They went away for two years and came back and didn't even realize

I got they went out. My wife and daughter went out of town. And that's what I guess. Oh.

I was like, Wow, man day spending his whole weekend doing this. Okay, now I got it. Did you actually feed the cat or they just left a cat on the desk the whole weekend?

No, it'd be fun. Wow, water is all they need.

Wow. Well, breaking news. Just change topic here for a second. As the podcast industrial complex continues to crumble. Spotify is racist. Let's get that Oh boy. Oh, yeah, they do this. Spurlock posted a Bloomberg article, which he also

yet and who was the other one?

The other one was the button go doo doo Vernay.

I don't know that is

shift du Vernay if the if the articles as this filmmaker. Okay, so what happened? This is all Dawn Ostroff legacy, spending more than a billion dollars to acquire studios and exclusive licenses. And she's signed to much fanfare several black celebrities to exclusive deals including the Obamas of course high their production company Higher Ground filmmaker Ava DuVernay and rapper Joe Budden.

Oh, I didn't really okay, so that was that. Alright.

So she just left because they wouldn't do anything. But I think the really scandalous thing. And this, you know, these are Swedes, so they don't, they're probably not as sensitive as they should be to how Kancil culture works in America. When all this happened, then Jamel Hill, then she's she's famous, you know, she was ESPN. And then she got fired from ESPN for being just insane.

She said she had reason to fire somebody.

So she issued a statement saying, you know, we need to have Spotify paying $100 million to a black person, which at the time was was what Rogan's deal was reported to be, although, of course, we know that probably much more. And so what they did is they eventually created the Creator Equity Fund, which will be $100 million. And they pretty much didn't spend any of that as far as I know.

Yet another example of Spotify, announcing something but never actually doing

exactly. So I don't know what she's going to do where she but I think in general, the problem is Spotify can't afford to do this anymore.

I don't think anybody can afford to do this anymore. Based on the news from the past week with all the women's podcast conferences are not getting funding all all all. All of the identity groups within podcasting. Have you funded during the good times? Yep, all the money is going away. And you see the the people who who like virtue signaling they were on board with the with these groups, they're all just yanking it back and all taking they're taking the money back and

I think the the conferences really, I think as far as I understand that business really need the sponsors. And I don't think that she conference got any sponsors that I wish They just said we didn't have enough people to attend. Now to make it work that, because it's very sad story. But you know, the conference business is not easy. It's not

an easy thing to do. You have to like, if I understand it correctly, you have to, like pre, like pre agree or maybe even pre pay in advance for like concession. Yeah, all

kinds of stuff. You gotta you gotta you gotta reserve stuff.

Yeah, it's I was the only thing I did didn't understand about that story was, like, where it said, one of the ladies involved said that she had taken out a $50,000 loan personally. Covers. And I was like, but which is fine, but I don't know, what would you be getting a loan against? What's the collateral?

You can get, you can get money, you know, got a crazy range or whatever. I mean, there's all kinds of ways to do that.

mean, like, I'm just saying, Oh, she didn't put her house up.

No, that's horrible. But this is, this is what was expected to happen once the free money train was over. We predicted this quite, quite clearly. But there's other stuff. It's very interesting to hear how there's a lot of

what? So you know, in the tax industry, which is my day job, the we've been through this cycle, many many times. And we if you go back to 2017 2019. There in you go to a tax conference, tax software conference or something like that. You're going, you would have heard, and I did there you would have heard heard keynote. He keynote talk after keynote talk after breakout session after breakout session about blockchain and machine learning and AI. This was six Dino This was 678 years ago.

That's the future man. Forget about Bitcoin. The technology of blockchain is very interesting. It's the future.

Yeah. And voice and voice assistants.

Voice assistants. Yeah. All right.

There's, there's this great article from about five years ago that was written in, in an industry magazine that was like, the, you know, the typical tax professional. Here's, here's what life is gonna look like 10 years from now. Yeah, the tech, you know, your tax professional. Jane, she wakes up in the morning, and she immediately asks her voice assistant, hey, voice assistant, what what do I have on my calendar today? In the voice assistant says, Oh, Hello, good

Star Trek Star Trek shit. Yeah.

It is bullcrap. It's so she like. But this, this whole article was about doom and gloom, like a the tax industry is going to be destroyed by this new technology. And we've been through this many, many times before. And this is just the like, this is the the reality of all of these things is way more mundane than all of that, like you will win it fine. In I wrote an article for an industry trade magazine back in 2019, about this very subject, that the the reality of the way that things

I do want to point out that hyper capture has had this capability to create chapters automatically for I don't know, two years.

Probably based off the transcript. Yes, of course. Yeah, of course,

you know, so, but you know, you call it AI and it's cool. That's fine. That's fine.

That's that's the way that large language model technology will make its way into now everyday use and it's in it's it's mundane stuff like that. I mean, it's stuff that just is a slight tweak to your already existing process. But

I I just have to point out again, I love dred Scott's choices. I love dred Scott's choice of imagery. I

The AI thing is such in again, we had a conversation at the office about this very thing this morning. The AI thing is just such a tech industry. Like, miss, they are perfect.

agreed. And it's all for money. It's all to get money rolling.

I got a I've got a couple of clips.

Oh, we haven't had a clip in a while from you, Mr. Jones,

one of which is Paul throt. Explaining what and I would I would say that Microsoft is probably the biggest culprit and all this bull crap.

While it's running on a lot of their Azure servers this is this week in Windows or this week in Microsoft or is that what this is from Windows weekly, Windows weekly.

So he is explaining here. In clip one, he's explaining what what this really is all about is the stock price.

We've had this discussion in the past about I kind of evolved over time, but I believe that AI came out of Microsoft at this point in time, specifically because of the market cap and the stock price. And they're a bit they needed something to goose that because, you know, as your revenue growth was 70 7070 6040 27% last quarter, and they were they weren't they didn't want was Wall Street to suddenly react and say, Oh my God, what's going on with this company, they used

Oh, man, I'm telling I'm using that clip for no agenda, thank you. Good, clear, totally accept, and they were indeed the ones who first came out. But then it got all twisted by the PR people also known as propagandist. And it got turned into the future. And that's when Google had to come up with barf and all that other stuff.

It's funny that you mentioned the PR, or the marketing people, because clip two of this sequence is about the marketing guy, and Microsoft and what he you know, and the the email that he sent out internally about any of you. This is in the context of Microsoft said, I think it was maybe a month ago, or a couple of months ago, they told all their employees that they're basically not gonna get a raise this year, nobody's nobody's all the bonuses are going to be

Chris cap, Chris capozella, our friend gotten a lot of trouble recently, because an internal email he had written in response to employees complaining about compensation

Oh, man, I can't even imagine the support nightmare that's going to happen for IT departments when the AI gets, you know, starts indexing all of your stuff. And you know, and not coming up with the right answers. It's gonna be hard and

Oh, yeah. I mean, we, you know, at our firm, we had to send it send out a message saying, hey, you know, you can't use these tools. Because I mean, you if you got it, that's proprietary information. You can't just be handing this out to the things as as most companies are having to do now, like, there's there's all these moratoriums going out to everybody saying, Hey, you can't submit our internal stuff.

So let's be different. I'm gonna take this

Oh, the one other GitHub. Yep. Off the repo. Yeah, it's been even have an image for that yet.

It's in the app store that's in the Start nine application store or whatever they call it there. IPFS podcasting in their works. It will be an official app soon. I would like to see a big plea to our French brothers. Casta pod will be beautiful.

Oh, yeah. Just while you go, huh? No, as

I said, Yeah, I mean that because I could never it was very hard to get cast upon running a bundle that up in their app system. I think that will be a great app to have you and the companies on board that really want to support peer to peer tube. Thank you the next one. And here, here's the question I had. Is there a way I mean, I guess you can have alternate enclosure with IPFS. Which, of course would require for it to work properly the apps to add IPFS knowledge into their

The only thing I can say is, here's the here's my initial thought is you said if they see you're said if YouTube starts to see the money. Yeah, you know, that's when they'll do. The only thing I can think of here is that there's just not that much money. It is not the way that it's not worth their time.

Well, no, no, they have a very, very well established advertising business. It may not be as big as it was a year and a half ago, but it's still it's a huge behemoth. There's billions of dollars a quarter. And you know, and they'll just they can insert anything they want to do they have the market on advertising. And that's literally the thing that they're not allowing you to do is upload ads. So it's very obvious where they see the money. They won't charge you.

the. There's Well, there's I don't know if you saw that other article about how it's like, it's June and Spotify and gimlet ringer and all the Spotify own networks still don't have their budgets for the year.

No, of course not. I haven't seen like article. I didn't see the article. Yeah, that

thing's I mean, like, it's, there's a lot of hand wringing going on within the Spotify production companies. This whole thing. The reason I say that about YouTube's much about the amount of money this, then I don't know if you've been sort of kind of keeping track of this. But the numbers that are reported within the podcast industry as far as revenues go, they've always been. Let's just say PSAs. But shut Yeah, suspect. Oh, but

Yeah, hello, millennial. Young kids. Millennial, Dave speaking.

Yes. I heard a guy recently. He's, he's like a 25 or something like this. I'm picking up the lingo.

Sketch sketch. Yeah,

I'm starting to say cringe ally.

No, no, no, this is so bad.

But they've always been a little suspect. Now. At the point, this point. They're all over the map. I mean, you see, i be i think it is reporting like $1.8 billion in the podcasting, you know, industry. Let me get and then and then you'll have some people saying, here's this Magellan AI report, which I which I always look at, which I think is great.

For comedy purposes, is this why he's looking at

Yes, for comedy. Yes. Supposedly, this Podcast, the podcast industrial complex is worth $1.8 billion. That's what we've been. That's what we've been being told. One of the key findings of the Magellan AI report was that podcast ad spending in quarter four, increased 23% year

over year. Echo notices quarter over quarter, quarter over quarter. Okay. Yeah,

so at $1.8 billion a year. You're telling me that the podcast ad spending went up like $400 million in a quarter? Give me a break. Now. This is what we this is what we call horse manure. Yeah,

no. And I think the baseline number 1.8 billion it includes probably include Sirius XM you know portion of revenue from you know the quote unquote satellite radio. I heard from the radio stations it's in and they don't really have numbers. I don't think they have the actual numbers. Not everyone reports numbers. So yeah, it's just it just whatever. I'm not sending it.

I bet you the total revenue of ad podcast advertising. Total global I mean, like worldwide, a real number is probably a few 100 million. And that's just not anything for YouTube. That's That's chump change. It's chump change. When you like look at look at tick tock so tick tock.

That's there. Now you can now you're talking that's where the real money is.

Did and this is fun. This is a good article. So if you think you should read it, you're kind

of taking away the reason for my whole initiative now.

Like it, go ahead. No, no, I retract retract.

No, I mean, not now you're saying there's no money? You know, I look, I look. Alright, Joe. It just bugs me. This is the one thing that is distributed in podcasting has done so well. And I'm worried and in general, I'm worried

And I think I understand what you're saying. I do and I think you're I think your instinct. I mean, I feel your instincts are right because the pot guest hosting is the concept, okay, the podcast hosting concept of just, you know, pay him pay it, you pay a monthly fee, and we host all your stuff and make it easy for you to create content. That's a good business. Yeah. That's a good solid. Like, not scammy business, you provide a service and you you get that service for

Remember, you're giving people hosting all they have to do, all YouTube has to do they say, Hey, you know, what? What are you paying over there at? And they know your email address. They know who you are, but he paid over there to at hosting company X, you know, we're gonna now provide RSS feeds. So why would you be over there? When you get us, you get our marketing, you get our placement, you get our

and you don't even have to, yeah, that's a good point about the legs. Yes. And you don't, in that scenario, you wouldn't even have to import your feed, because they've already got

already got it. They just turn around and say, You know what, instead of uploading, they're just like the cell phone business, you know, we're gonna give you $20 to come over here. Yeah, come over here for 20 Here's, here's a bonus for $20. And you all you have to do is instead of going over there, just upload your stuff here. And now we have RSS feeds for you.

If a if, if anchored can run 5 million podcast RSS feeds at a loss and still survive for years and years who can as well YouTube can do it in their in their sleep, and

YouTube would have no problem down the line saying hey, you got to pay $1 A month or whatever, it's just isn't such an obvious trap. And if one big podcast host goes for it, everybody's gonna have to go for it. Because that's, that's the nature of the business, your, your, your coopetition. Anyway, so I, I

you're convincing the you you wave a wave of convincing.

Now and meanwhile, this is happening at a very exciting moment in podcasting, where we now have figured out

you mean? Like our like?

Was it 8000? Maybe tops?

I can look it up?

Look it up. If it's even that a very small audience, then we own we own the wave Lake top five.

Wait, are you going to play music? Yes, I am, of course. Because I would like to like to since?

Yes, it's called the setup.

I felt it. And I'm also neat, but I need to take time, I need to take this opportunity to launch my web socket listener? Because I want to watch

Ah, yes, of course. You want to switch the web? Man, you set up your own web socket listener, God knows why. But you set one up, what do you do with this web socket listener?

Well, I want to I want to watch what Steven bass sending in. In the live.

Well, can you? Well, well, can you do both at the same time? Can you? Can you take a look at the at our audience size first?

First, yes, again, let me find let me find that live because we

are I mean, people are getting 100 $200 here again, for just being played on this show. Now granted, we have a community who's interested in this and they're supporting the whole set. By the way, as I'm leading up to this, please make sure that you using curio caster, or pod friend currently the only two the apps that support this, who also benefit from these tests. I mean, I see some nice, nice baller boosts going to these artists to these musicians, which is again part

unique listeners in May.

So that results in a couple 100 bucks for a song played once. Which is more than you know than a song screaming 1000s of times on Spotify. Straight up It's just math.

It's good man. It's good man. It's good math

is your WebSocket listener up and running Are you are you good there it is I'm

listening you'll be amazed at how many things I'm

Well same here because I had to activate the remote value block doing that in sovereign feeds definitely the way to go. If you're running with scissors now this is a little different for those quote unquote independent songs has a very nice Motown kind of vibe to it. A nice one to chill out on your Friday afternoon and your board meeting with a late night special it sounds like a bummer but it's not the sunshine never comes a podcasting 2.0

never got the sunshine the sunshine until it's rain and life is called sing these words put them in your pocket and show them what you need to know the sunshine the sunshine the sunshine make your soul Chase another dream that you can let go in life moves on when you feed us so we got the sunshine the sunshine the sunshine train know

oh man I'm so mellow, kind of almost started coding here.

Well, I have a have a far end of show, we'll do a song as well. Very like a blink 182 type vibe. Oh, cool. Yeah, just really rocket into the weekend. And of course, once again, I I request from all developers, they consider putting in the remote value block item tag thingamabob, what's it called? The time split. split time value.

Yeah, they time split value time.

So I please, Oscar said he's putting it into fountain within the month of June. And the minute he does, we're gonna have money to talk about that and other things. And I just, I just love this. I love this. I love this. I love this. This is going to create a whole new industry.

So are you hitting the I'm watching the socket here. Are you hitting the Z some sort of like saying, are you having to sync it or tell it when the song is over? Yes. Like you have to do something manually.

Yes, yeah. So the process here, there's a whole dashboard, undervaluing time splits on sovereign feed sovereign feeds.com. And so when you when I start the show, I hit the general Synchronize button with the show, you don't have to but it just makes it easier than post production. And then the minute I start the song, I hit the sync button. So I've already

well, this kind of heads us in the direction of talking about goods because remote value in a value time split a relies on remote item which references a good as its primary way of finding a podcast, right. And had an grippit. at a at a good conversation with with brown of

just something that everybody can everyone, but everybody can run one. And then we'll have some kind of round robin system that you ping a central, a central resource and send you to the one anyone the next one on the list.

Yeah, so that that was that was kind of like, phase, sort of phase two of what I was thinking like, you know, get get these things rolling. And then anybody who wanted to participate, we could throw in just a, you know, a round robin DNS resolver, that gives you a random one, you know, on the back end, right. So so that your you know, it's it's load balancing itself, their DNS, just a simple share method.

Yeah, which is exactly I had this exact problem I had because of a sovereign feeds issue. I had a duplicate guid and Spurlock said, Hey, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. And that's how it's supposed to work.

And we we except this sort of thing. In lots of, of areas of networking technology, for instance, Oh, yeah.

IP addresses. Yeah. And MAC address clashes, all kinds of

stuff clashes. Yes, addressing clashes are common. And when you and the way that you resolve them is you get notified of them and you go fix it. Right. So this is not an issue. But the the, that is not an issue, the issue is how do we resolve them? And I think this fits into the broader discussion of I need to give, I need to provide tools to you primarily, but then other people within the podcasting 2.0. Project, to help

adjust and fix these things to cure these issues. Yes,

yes. So here's my initial niche, throw this out at you first mind sort of initial thoughts.

This is a point of personal privilege for the board. Yes, yes.

I would live Yes, comrade, I would like to have

the privilege granted comrade.

Okay. My initial thought was, you need as the

right? Maybe even 95? Yeah, it's always like, hey, you know, I did this, but it doesn't show up. So complete refresh would be great. And get me out of your database, or the I have 15 versions of my feed. Yeah, all of this is really those two functions. Exactly.

Okay, so the first two things, the reset the feed from scratch, and end market as dead. Those two functions are simple. The third one of those, and though and those are ones that you get? The the third one seems like the bigger issue. And

But this is a D duping task. Is that what this is? Uh, you can you can say, hey, I have an hour, give me some dupes. And I'll run through them and see what the problem is. Yes, it's called human intelligence.

Exactly. And we know that. Well, we'll see there's a better word for that unanimously. So we know that there are only about 50,000 dupes in the database total. We had somebody run those numbers. And so if we had, you know, an army of people watching the gates so to speak, they could clean that up in no time.

Yeah, no kidding. I mean, I got time. I Should I agree when asked Tina here? Do you do please? Do some homework? Yeah, she'll do it. She'll do it. A lot of people will do that everyone will love participating in that. Absolutely.

And so I thought if we had if we had it laid out on nice and clean where you had, okay, here are what we think are. Here's a podcast where we think there are the two extra duplicates. This one has an app, an iTunes ID, this one does not. Here's what here's what Apple reports back as the feet what the feed URL is, here's what the latest pod pain was, basically just give a whole bunch of information so that somebody can

what what is the what is the reason that this cannot be automated? Why is it that a human needs to do this?

Because there's a lot of edge cases that happen? Okay, what what, for instance, let me give you one, there's a many times you'll see a podcast, where the podcast where they are, they have moved their feed from, let's just say, a cast over to Buzzsprout. And they net, they did not go back and update their their Apple podcast connect feed to point to the new URL, so it's still pointing to the old one. So the incorrect one now has an iTunes ID associated with it. The correct

how about this? I've thought? So, um, clearly there's a whole bunch of of edge cases, is it possible to hand off this, this process to people using apps. And so here's my thinking, because someone just said something in the chat room, which I liked. Meet us. So if you had it, if you hand it off to users of apps, and you say, for every Correct. D duping that

That's not no, that's not that's not complicating things too much. I think we would still have to have some sort of approval process that would lead,

right. But the approval process would be, you know, a trusted person. But you basically say, hey, help help the index. And because people find this stuff all the time, you can actually say, hey, use this app, and we'll give you a reward. Is that a crazy thought?

No, not a crazy thought. I'm just thinking through the you really need two layers of sort of validation on that you would want? Yeah, of course, you'd want the people, you'd want a small group of people that could approve a change, correct. And then you would want a slightly larger group of people that were still had to go still had to be given the the approval or the rights to get into this ability to,

okay, maybe gamifying it too early, maybe it's not not something that should be gamified. Well,

but the reason being is that you you're just gonna get me the potential, there's just you get blown up, okay. I mean, with 10,000 requests a day, I mean, like, it's just you, somebody's gonna write a bot on it, and you're just gonna get screwed.

Gotcha, gotcha. Okay. Well, we could, I'm just saying that. I'm sure that there's a group of five people I can think of right now who would be happy to do this work. Maybe we can have trusted people who use their apps to do this. I'm just thinking ahead. But I understand what you're saying. And yeah, what do we do? What do we need to get this done?

Yes, I think I think bottom line is we, we have a strategy now for the good stuff with what Brian has, has made. I think it fits with what I had originally developed, I think those fit together pretty nicely. So then, now really, it's all about just making sure the data is clean. I think that's, that's our biggest thing right now. Because the goods will now goods will work now, as long as we have clean data,

I saw when I was watching your screencast, your your dude named Ben cast. I saw those little PHP scripts you had on the left hand side of my Oh, look at all that cool stuff. You can run a PHP script does that it does that you had all these cool little things that that you could do you have some tools, but I'm like, just give me some give me tools. Let me play with the tools. Man.

I don't want to have to SSH into a server in order to run a script called no clean these duplicates dot php.

Exactly. Okay. I think that's I think that's a great idea.

way forward. Yeah. And I don't think this is hard to write because it doesn't have to be beautiful. It just has to be functional.

I know I'm, I'm all in you tell me. I mean, I would I've of course I'm I know you well enough. I know what you're doing. You're busy. I'm not going to keep saying hey, man, give me some tools. Give me some tools. It bothers me

too. Because people want to help people are asking to help you and I and I go, like I don't have anything to give them. And so I want I need to be able to give them something.

Well, why don't you just wipe your slate clean

and clean? It dun dun we

love it. We love it. I wanted to just make note for

Sorry, it's just Steven some Steven bass in the chat.

I see what you're saying. Boy, man, do you talk to your wife that way? Steven B.

Do you kiss your mama with that mouth?

Let's just make sure we're all smart about these things. You know, especially for podcasters. You know, there's still things you may want to consider to have alternate by the way. I'm also running my Of course I am because I have helipad. I'm running my lightning node. On the Start OS. It's stable, man. It's stable. I mean, you know, I have to nurse my Umbral all the time. And this thing is just I've set it up and it's just run since the day I set it up and has not been a problem.

Is it using l&d? Yeah, you can

use multiple ones? I'm using lnd lnd. It has. It has multiple lightning implementations you can use.

Have you ever used see lightning? No. No, I'm kind of itching to try it. No, no. Do you?

First you need to build.

Thank you. Thank you. Yes, this is what this is one of your this is one of your functions here is Stop,

stop, stop. Stop. So. And with that, I also want to thank Todd Cochran for a fun idea that blueberry is doing to

I'm a sucker for badges.

I love badges. Badges are very cool. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely want

to. We want to do some hot names based on

just one other thing before we do the hot namespace

Opportunity you need. You need speaker names because that like for we

need it for Mark. We just need it for Mark. Let's be honest, the cartoon bubbles are cool was crap.

I love that because that thing's beautiful. When you see it, you don't ever want to not have no you actually

you're looking at your app while you're listening. Like oh, there's Dave. There's Adam. There's Dave. There's Adam.

Adam. Oh, we got we got Martin on the show next week, by the way. So we're

Oh, cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. And Android 2.0. Yeah. And he's he's going through his app cycle now. Which is always fun. Yeah. I have high hopes for him. High Hopes

Yes. As secure Yeah. I think you're right. That's that's kind of a

and we have a new rules. We have a new rule for

And now it's time for some hot namespace talk.

We are Yeah,

yeah, we closed face six. So that one's No more No more tag proposals. Submitting is allowed. We've got let's see here. It looks like we've got six tags is that right? 1234567 tags remote item. So this basically this is frozen now where we made ditch some tags but we're not going to add the

space six ice you can't change no melting it's iced.

Yep. It's on ISIS. So remote. We got remote item, which is straight straightforward. It's already written out. We got list the list mediums that's easy. That's just an add just an addendum. The the accepts guest I've got a question mark on that. Pod roll. That's already written up. That's that's good to go. update frequency. Nathan gathright did a PR for that, that I've got to merge. But that one's I've just got to review it. I'm sure I mean, he's he's top notch. So

Nice. That's a good phase,

as a good batch. And so I think accepts guests is the only one I've gotten concerns about, I think we may think we may need to need a booth there. Because I still don't know that that has to be its own tag. To me that it. It's just a it's like a gimme.

It's like a gimme that people want I mean, no, it's like it's for people who don't have I mean, I get email. It's just, Oh, you want less email? Okay, well, why don't you just, you know, what we need is we need the list of all these people, all these PR people who email podcasters and then put them in your spam list. Yeah, write a rule. I mean, I don't mind that, you know, people ask me all the time, oh, I got this great person for this guest. Now, of course, I don't take

And I guess my difficulty with this specific tag is that it's a lot of tag for only one small purpose. And I understand that you have that there's other tags that fit into the same category. So let's just say how about

this? I have an idea. Alright. Can we just have some kind of API endpoint that looks and it sees if there's a guest in the person tag, that that spits out a list of here's everything and then people can use that list and spam them. It's,

it's a spam list.

That's what it's gonna get used for. I mean, you know, it's like,

no, no, that's a pretty good idea, by the way.

Yeah, just a thought. Make that make that available to PR people.

use AI he's Chad. Yeah. Yeah,

there it is Chad gptc Every everything we don't want to do we just you can use chat GPG for that.

Can Can I I mean can I just say that at this if if if large language models are this good? Why do we still have transcripts that are inaccurate?

Why do I still have spam? Exactly why do fools fall in love honest about GPC you should be able to fix that they should know this. Sorry, this lady is not compatible with you.

There. I mean, the one thing that is that is in the large language model wheelhouse is Grammatik and link grammatical and linguistic structure is I know what words make sense coming before and after this word, or before and after this phrase. I should never have a bad transcript ever again.

No, of course. Of course not. And obviously we do.

So something's gotta give anyway. I agree with you. I agree. Somebody's lying.

Something's up.

I don't know. I think we should I think we should just boot accepts guests for now. Okay, I don't think anybody's feelings are gonna be hurt by this. I mean, like James proposed it, but I don't I don't get the sense that he's like, it's a he'll he's gonna die.

Pod roll is in there. No. It is. Yeah. Isn't the pod roll is good.

James, if you're highly offended by booting accepts, yes, please tell me. I mean, here's ultimately what I feel like these, these are flags. And I keep coming back to the idea that we just need sort of, like, let's just call it podcast, colon flags. And it's a list of or just or, or just called podcast, colon flag. And it's except guests. You know, trial, trial feed, blah, blah, blah, like, just a bunch of like one, prop just a bunch of properties, or even just put it

All right, I'm gonna I'm going to ease the pain. Reading. Alright, is it? What phase was alternate enclosure in? That's like three or four? Three? Yeah, I have a request for Steven B, who is the the Wizard of sovereign feeds.com. My request for Steven B is I would like to have an altered enclosure, spit out in my feed that I can put an IPFS link in. Because once I create the IPFS link, maybe I can convince an

You are publishing a feed on IPFS right now? Yes, I am. Which ones the no agenda are

all of my feeds all of my feeds. Okay. And I and I will use it for all of them. And there's people you I can see in the well hold on a second.

If I look at Cameron's code, right,

yes. IPFS let me just check for a second IPFS podcasting dotnet let me just log is such a such a elegant system he's created here. I'm also you know, I'm pinning them all so I'm hosting them all forever, all all previous episodes, etc. Anything that's in the feed all a second just needs to log in. And I have two nodes running. Just take

notes. Yeah, yeah. One's running on the Start nine and Where's the other one running?

On the Umbro? Yeah. Okay, so let me see for podcasting. 2.0 Let me see, because I can tell there's a little lag obviously, Episode 134 had two downloads 133 had five 132 had 38 Toilet scroller 131 had 29 so it's in the 20s and 30s after a while. Let's see no agenda has that we have an ad downloads here 2937 62 So it varies. And you can and there's at least seven nodes hosting it. So you know, it's like there's something there it's it's in its infancy,

Okay, yeah, well, I

mean like, so that was my my requests even my request to see even be like he doesn't have enough an

alternate enclosure. You wanna you? Want to nappy? IPSs alternate enclosure tag?

Yeah. I mean, yes, yes, that's what I want and IPFS alternate enclosure tag, and that will make James happy. Because he wants people using alternate enclosure. He wants to he wants to push the alternate enclosure. Now he uses it in a different way he's thinking of lower bandwidth, which is fine lower bandwidth versions. But you know, I think

that when you can have IPFS and has more bandwidth Yeah, exactly.

Let's use it for more bandwidth. Screw you Africa Shall we thanks for people hear Dave. Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah, let's take some people because man we we have quite a few booths that have been coming through let's see right off the

I like the I like this turning it around and getting money for this is good idea.

That's how it should work man payola is everything. Satchel Richards from blueberry. Excuse me 11,111 He says people on national agenda social be like I hate this place. Nothing works here the medications don't work. I've been here for seven years. Exactly. Exactly. I am Mr. Robot with a boo boos 808 Deva feel your pain but in the sysadmin helpdesk role for over 20 years Never underestimate the power of the problems created

Well, he's got a he's got a fiend he's got a Polish wise so that means like,

wow, racist. Dave jokes. Mark asked marks 3111 listening live for the first time to fall in love it Yes. Welcome all fountain listeners. Anonymous one on one Oh 1010 Blueberry pod press and publisher now has a chapter builder. That's right. That's right. Beautiful. We love that more tools. Mike Newman 8675 8675 pod friend 2.0. iOS beta boost edge. Nice. Thank you for your courage. So that's the

There's some of that yeah, I'm sure that's when I tell my

wife turn off work app Apple stuff usually that works. Cotton Gin 7777 Scissors run my world correct anonymous with a nice row of ducks 22,222 Catch up boosts Why does my lb wallet keep just disconnecting from pod bursts? I don't know. I think that's mainly because they had no problems i It's been pretty stable for me I had a lot of issues with that and everyone fix something and I really haven't seen that but I had one silly trouble

with Abby's wallet over the last week and then all of a sudden it just fixed itself and now it's fine

yeah, and we can see that in our in our daily boost total to when Alby has problems it hurts everybody benefits centralization. We've already been through that. Free Money monkey 15,000 SATs Hello boosting from pod verse well hello to you. Tone record 2222 new air idea Dave's nightstand new podcast. I As our new pocket Dave's knights Oh for your books oh yes podcast again

on my nightstand right now I've got a still got the secrets of this simple will be on the nightstand for at least another year because it's 700 pages. The I've also got Orsi Orthodoxy is on there because I'm about two thirds of the way through that. Oh, there's another there's a new addition to the nightstand right now which is a book about I wish I could remember. Oh, it's called a question of sedition. It is a book. I think the subtitle is censorship of the

yummy, yummy, yummy.

It is all about like J and J. Edgar Hoover.

Who by the way, by the way, J Edgar Hoover was black.

Yeah, which is good which is in context of this book is hilarious. Did you know that

most people don't know that? Very light skinned black?

The reason I know that is from facts.

You're right. Like yeah, good. Mike Newman checks in with a striper boost. 77,777 Satoshis. Frank Sinatra, he says was singing about today the golden age of podcasting. Okay, I guess Yeah. Agreed tone record. 5150 mountain live stream working on the trial. Good to know and a millennial 11,111. New York is full of anchors. Anchors, this is all Rancors and anchors is all from the from the pre show the pre stream that we did. And Martin with 12345 saying pre shows are

We don't we have a real dearth of Satoshi slam booths because that's a great jingle.

It's 100,000 is great, but a Satoshi slam is you know, I'm sorry. There's two more that came in if you don't mind. They're both baller boots. So I want to make sure we do it. We have Sam Sethi checking us out over in the UK. Of course, pod fans. Pod fans.com I believe is spot fans are calm.

It was SM FM

let me check them and make sure I do this right. Pod pod fans. Yes your pod fans.fm

I gotta get that right he ponied up for the expensive domain

and when you go to he did it's just really expensive. z.fm don't domain names are no joke. 101010 Thank you very much baller boost

Bala. Blaze on him, Paula

and he says I hear your pain on duplicate guid trying to fix the RSS V for V issues asking do I need custom key custom value and address and he plans to add lightning address to the value tag.

Lightning address lightning address. I think we already I thought we already added that to the spec. I think so. But we but you have to resolve it on the client, right? You can't you can't just send it over to the node. So you have

In sovereign feeds, you go in and it literally says up add a split it says use fountain use get Alby and you click on it so yeah, so I would type in SAM at get albie.com and book it just resolves it right into the block.

Yeah, you have just cool. The lightning address in the context of a value block. You resolve that with its like dot well known slash row name slash key sand I think and it will give you package json block with the custom key custom value. I'll post it on the mastodon Sam,

one more bow bolo booths before we get to the other ones that you have on your list from Dred Scott Of course 100,001 Satoshi.

Kala 20 is blades on the hem ball I

love the hot sexy namespace talk chapters will be delayed for this episode busy weekend starts tonight I'm in charge of setting up audio and video for an outdoor movie night at the six year olds elementary school this evening Wish me luck that it goes well we don't have angry parents or disappointed kids last thing you need

you need to throw you need to throw up a as split kit QR code for your services

yeah what we need we need to do is we need to give we need to give him a little bit of setting up karma and that out to him you've got karma we need it dude karma for that all right. Dave continue with what you got.

Well what I've got is a is a fountain Pay Pal for $200 from Oscar and the boys whoa

the boys 20 is blades on the Impala

much appreciated keeps everything running including our new big database

Yeah, that's right. We got fed databases was say we got doesn't really pay pal so we got some booster grams we got 111112 from drips got Whoa, that's interesting. The money printer.

Good burger. That's a

big baller shot caller. Blades on him.

Thank you. It's still number one on the wavelength top 40.

That's from last week and we got another one from Dred Scott 123456. Last week at five o'clock same boosting is so hard to fill up a quarry killer.

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turn that thing around. Put it in your own pocket.

SC OTT gave us a little give us a rocker emoji. 1420 Thank you. Thank you very much. In the morning gave us 3000 SAS. That's great show. Thank you. 666 66 from mere motors podcast or buddy car and he says dang that Bitcoin 2424 conference sounds really appealing. I plan to be traveling at that time as well. Maybe?

Oh, I would love to have you there. I mean, we have a we have a call next week Dave with with those dudes. Wednesday or something? Yeah, something like that. Yeah, that we will report back. We're gonna make it badass. A buddy of

mines coming to he's going to drive up there from Birmingham. And I mean, we I mean, we'll, if anybody wants to make it out, and we'll do a meet up.

Yes, great idea. And if you let us know if you're going in general and if you're interested in being a part of the presentation, because I just don't know who's there. i We're all figured we're figuring this all out. But if you already have plans on going let us know.

Yeah. And we'll do we know. Do we know if Roy's flan over any?

I knew I still need to call Roy I need to call Roy Roy

when he figured out the lb guys are gonna Yeah, just everybody let us know if they're gonna

go on and so we can start putting the program together. Because it would be cool if we can have a number of people on stage to talk about, you know, from different disciplines of the 2.0 value for value universe. Let's show people what we're doing because we are actually doing stuff that no that everyone said they would do. Like micro payments. Like music. We're doing it people were doing it. We are We are the champions. My friends just

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Sorry. The ducks came by.

I frozen it unfrozen now, what Dave shared about siloed content, comments ratings across across the closed captioning ecosystem that blew my mind. Nice. I'm a mind blower we aim to aim to blow don't say that. Can you imagine how many meetings and how much money those companies spent to break down silos in the organization while having a prime directive to create silos? It is the nature of the beast. That's

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it's gonna be it's gonna be off the chain man.

Yeah, marry Oscar, also known as Oscar marry since 20,000 says the family says would love to come on and talk about transcripts implementation and how we can share user pay for transcripts back to the feed. Get we're gonna have you honestly on

man. Just huge issues. You have my head time. My shoes Sorry, I'm just looking for that. So Jeff my time value splits set up we're good to go. There's no pressure.

Never pressure. Jo W. Satchel Richard 1111 No note. Anonymous 20 to 22 no note. We got Clark in a friend of mine 25 529 It says adding another five to nine to my usual 25k For my Memorial Day boost while at the lake Beep bop boo boo bop boost sir Spencer 22 to 22 Row ducks through fountain he says would love to help with the V for V panel in Nashville. Oh sir Spencer. Definitely putting together a V for free presentation for our own Bitcoin block party here in KC next

I don't even have to go at all. Just let's hear Spencer do it. Right. Yeah. You get that handled Spencer. Thanks, bro. Yeah, we're gonna get as many people I'm gonna have a big stage, we need the main stage. The big stage, we need a lot of time, a lot of mics.

Spencer, I'm disappointed that wavelike operates as a walled garden to see the spirit of decentralized music is anyone can publish a feed and have their content available on the various apps in the ecosystem. When able Kirby and I really stay while on Christmas Eve 2020. It was with splits and lyrics supported with Wave lake. There are no splits, no support for lyrics. And if we wanted our music available there would we there we would have to re upload it to their servers

that's a good point. I have a my own minor nitpick with with wavelike. You can't boost more than 999 sets to match. Yeah. If you want to boost from their interface I put near some saxenda in the wall from their UI. Yeah, it's 999 I was like there's nothing.

I wonder one. Well, I think I mean, I think they're just I think this address addresses sir Spencer's thing. You know, I've talked to Michael and Samak. I think they're just moving slowly. And they're trying to, I mean, it's just the two of those guys. And they're trying to build something. Right. I don't. I don't think there's anything

nefarious, it's hard. It's hard. It's hard to building a service like this. It's hard to setting stuff up. I completely agree.

No, I understand Spencer. I mean, I understand what you're saying. I fully do. I think that they're trying to make they're just trying to make sense of this thing. Because we hit them. This was not their intention. We hit them right

away right in the in the forehead like oh, yeah, well, what's happening and now we're dominating their chart.

Yes. I think this all works itself out as as their you know, stuff matures. Yeah.

But yeah, but you know, I love that we have music side project.com which helps you self hosted which I think for music is completely appropriate. Yeah, for sure. And you know, that's another thing that I would love to see on on Start OS

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Yeah, we're gonna have we're gonna have Alex on the show to tell us you know all about that and do tell us what else yeah,

then we're gonna bring the youtubers

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Ella Spencer's talking a lot about about music podcasting in the in the chat and I just love the one thing I love about what Spencer's has done since day one is just a demonstrate he's just been a demonstration of how you can just do this on your own you don't have to have if you have some knowledge and you have the Will you can just run all of your own stuff you don't have to have a host if you don't want to me most people are gonna have to go the hosting route but at its

and if you look at how much effort and enthusiasm and work artists and bands and musicians put into getting stuff done you know with your own merch and with your sales and you know you got your table set up at your gig I mean they know they're they are entrepreneurs by definition and we want to we want to support that and want to make sure that that works for everybody and that any you don't just do you don't need the big stupid infrastructure

and you've got the you know these these bands on the road have they have all kinds of Reno they got roadies doing all their Oh yeah, we're

pulling cables ourselves baby stuff.

I'm just thinking that like you could have one of the one of the guys jobs on the tour is monitoring the V for V

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loved like I'm really addicted to do appear to now and like I mean like I'm kind of a you know nuts about it and yeah, it was so much fun doing that live server upgrade in like what was fun about it is like ever had everybody in there like you and Alex and airhead and like just like talking and Archie was in there I don't I just made it made the whole thing fun and it gave me a sort of a glimpse of the future of when all this stuff is baked fully baked how you really really don't need YouTube

not at all and I was sending you the default 69 SATs per minute which we didn't You didn't get that

I didn't even know I could get the for V through through the thing and then I think it was Alex or somebody was like was like hey, I'm trying to boost you like boost me.

Yeah You can do it right from the peer to page although I want to have it in the app you know obviously for obvious reasons but the peer to page work to were perfectly I connected it to my lb wallet I would like to be able to connect it to other wallets just saying let's remember to keep the open nature of lightning available people because we don't want to run into too much trouble I want to be able to switch let's put

Well I mean as far as I understand it with the lightning plugin that's that's possible on the table now will will will get all the dates but

the deeds okay you're crushing it yo with your with your millennial smokers. So it says all this stuff remember stay tuned for the end of show song my brother Dave Have a great weekend. And so should you chat room See you next time

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