Episode 133: It's a Lifestyle!

podcasting 2.0 for May 19 2023, episode 133

It's a lifestyle.

Friday once again, time for the board meeting and podcasting. 2.0 the only left boardroom that's got to be. Give me a beat. That's right. Everything happening in Podcast. index.org is all about the namespace, sexy, hot namespace talk. And of course, everything happening in podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama. Everybody knows his database is way bigger than yours. Say hello to my friend on the other end.

Perfect timing. Just swallow this sandwich. I'm clean. I'm ready to go.

All right. Welcome, Dan. Welcome. You know, you're it's okay to eat during the board meeting. You know, as long as you don't smack too much. It's okay.

It better because I gotta ask Cream Sandwich.

What are you? What are you eating? What is on Dave's menu today? And let me just preface this. Dave. Of course, it takes off time from his day job to do the board meeting. He normally only has an hour, but I guess he doesn't eat on Thursdays so that he can take two hours on Fridays. Is that true?

Yes. Yes. No, this today's menu was a turkey sandwich. And an ice cream sandwich which I'm now about to partake in. Very nice. The the horrible thing that just happened before the show was I came I came home. And so we got new chickens.

Is this a past tense thing now? No, no,

no, no, we still have we still

have a couple of years chickens.

We have our full allotment of chickens stone. This was not an this was not a circumstance where the chickens were destroyed or mutilated by some by something. Which chickens love to do they love to get themselves killed.

I mean, it's it's pretty much what they do. They lay eggs and get killed.

Eggs, like scratching in the dirt and then like getting themselves destroyed. I mean, horrible ways. They're not like they don't just die of natural causes.

There's always like feathers and blood and guts smeared out over the ground. That's kind of the end of every chicken. Yeah, if there's no trauma,

it didn't happen. So this this is like so I come home but we have we have new chickens, the little peeps, Chick chicks. Oh, pizza, we have six of them. And Melissa was worried about it storming outside today. So she brought them in and put them in a tub, Rubbermaid tub in the podcast room because that would be the dog and the cat away. So I come in and of course what has happened is they have gotten out of the tub and they're everywhere and around. Yes. They've been running around in the yes.

Are they still up the yellow little yellow variety little chickadees

Oh yeah, there's little pup

How come I don't hear him in the background. But there's chicken

crap. all over the floor. What but don't little chicks

make small to chicken poops?

Give it there's 100 little piles of it. I mean, I was just furiously cleaning the floor. He smells horrible in here. I was furiously cleaning the floor at like, you know 1225 You know, it's like, Oh my God. We got five minutes. It's

okay to podcast from from chicken poop. It's okay. We could have done it after the show. Smells like shit in here. I'll bet it does.

Which I mean, like I read a thing. So which is a perfect segue though. Because I was reading this morning. The the incredible investigative journalism from

Vox Oh yeah. Yes, yes, the Vox Media Network home of Kara Swisher and the award winning tech podcast pivot.

Yes. They have brought us an in depth investigative report about about that free range chickens. Free Range doesn't really mean free range.

No kidding.

Which is I'm stunned by this revelation. Organic

doesn't mean healthy or good for you. Really, this is fascinating.

This is so here's here's let me just read a little bit. This says the investigator documented hours upon hours of the typical horrors found on chicken factory farms 10s of 1000s of birds stuffed into dark warehouse sized barns, many of them severely injured with gruesome lesions, injuries and deformities. At more than one point birds are deprived of food or water and there was also a rat infestation and footage of bugs crawling in the chickens feed now

and that's just your studio.

Do you know what we call bugs? in a context of chickens

or your food? Food? Yes.

bugs were crawling in the chicken feet. No bugs are the chicken feet and that's not a problem, man. It's

not an issue. These people they did have

this this. This article is 35 one 100 words and they have a really good one. A really good term, a broiler technician advisor. I like that

broiler technician advisor yeah I want to be that sounds like the guy who comes around with a warranty papers.

But here's the here's a good one says the USDA says chicken producers using the label free range must provide birds continuous free access to the outside. Get and get this here's the kicker for over 51% of their six week lives. What these things only live for six weeks weeks. And you can they're big enough to eat

your gross and everybody out and you just ate a turkey sandwich. What do you think that was like? What do you How long do you think that thing lived?

Oh, it's a long life. hit it out of old natural causes.

Okay, good. Well, we did it again. What we did when we sent another song to the top of the wavelength charts. Makers. Oh, drab. You're interrupting the show. 20th blades on am bollocks had mentioned that the new the new pod friend. I guess we call it 2.0. But it's just www dot pod friend.com is live. And Dred Scott immediately tested the envelope by boosting us 222,222 SATs putting his kids further into the poorhouse.

He's not gonna have kids anymore.

You have to hawk the kids to boost because I need to push more. Take my child.

Like Daddy, why can't we go to college? Because I love this show.

Because podcasting 2.0 is important child. Goodness, thank you very much drab. And congratulations, Martin. He's running with scissors today. He he got tired of saying yeah, maybe next week, maybe next week. It's so hard sometimes. I've noticed this with certain developers not saying that. Martin is one of them. But in my career and life. Some developers have a real it's really it's scary or something for them to release. It's a hard thing to do. And it's always

I've never had that problem.

And that shows.

Thanks, man. Like,

like, just kidding.

There is no barrier to release with me. No, there isn't no

but your stuff. It always works. It just your UI is just simple. You know, Martin's got I mean, this thing. He's got some really nice stuff going on. Like, even without asking. And you don't go to a separate tab for the transcript. It just shows up in little cartoon bubbles. So if you have your, your person tag enabled, so like on our show, when I'm talking my head shows up with little cartoon bubble, and then when you talk your head shows up. That's so cool. It's very cool.

there. It gives you the things that it thinks will make you happy.

It's a friendly little app. It's called pod friend. That's why

I'm drinking out of my WWW dot pod friend.com. McGraw Hill. Very nice. Yes. This worked out great. Because on the front, it says WWW dot pod friend.com. Which happens to be it used to be web dot pod friend.com was the player and now 2.0 is WWW dot pod friend.com. In a way, it just it just it just sunk right into the right spot.

Now she's going to do app stores, you're gonna stick with a progressive web app.

I think he's doing apps because he did. He he re architected it with with with a one of those cross platform things that would let him in a release apps as well.

Oh, like swallow or what is it called fallow letter?

water or water? It's not for a while, like swallow

better honestly.

That's not a framework. That's a bad framework. I used it before I fired it up this morning. And when I saw you released it and connected my lb wallet boom. Can Rata Oh yeah, that works. It's totally in all my history, too.

I saw I saw to My Account Exactly. Well, that's impressive. You know, when you launch something new and your old account still works. That's pretty impressive. I like that.

Because it's not always easy, because you got different. I mean, you got you got to really think about pulling that stuff. And I've had to do those before where you go from an old, you rewrite something and then you you have to make allowances for that.

Anyway, so it's also has lit capability. I saw that so the live shows are functioning and people are testing it around and doing all kinds of stuff. So it's very, very, very cool. Martin, congrats on that. And so I'm proud of him. He just went Screw it. I just got it. I'm running with scissors. And this is the place to do it you know, we're the group to do it with no one's gonna be like, Man, your app sucks. No, we're amazed any of this shit works like wow it

worked. We didn't believe iSeries Yeah, we need the gym running

with scissors Alright, so speaking of which, let's run with some scissors right now if you're listening

Let's see what happens when you build on it when you build on protocols you don't have to write make interfaces for things to interrupt they just interrupt bothered

by being just by being by exists. Yes.

Yes. Interrupt through existence.

Who I like that interrupt through existence. So I have had I've chosen other Samba what Steven B has now done remember this is in between, like putting light sockets into office buildings. Yes. I'm sure he has to tell us what he does. I'm sure he I'm sure we know isn't doesn't he design electrical plan for buildings

or if I'm not mistaken. I think that he told us before that he does estimates project estimates. Oh, okay. As I think that he takes the designs and then like tells you how much it's gonna hurt.

Well, he's doing all this for the love of Satoshis which is just beautiful. So he has created within sovereign feeds now sovereign feeds.com is what I've been using for all of my podcasts since we started this marry adventure. Which is always fun because we had a little issue just before the last no agenda live show. We wanted to svelte libraries shit the bed or something.

No, it's this server. The server he was on wasn't big enough to handle me to handle

to handle the pod father, I hear yes, of course. If you want the pod father on your server, you better come with some girth. All right, there we are. Friday, it's Friday, everybody we are we are punchy. This is my feed creator.

And yeah, so we which has been working because we've been driving people to the top.

Yes, we drove Joe Martin to the east number two after we sent rusty gate to the top. And now I picked us it's a little shorter today. But it's a it's a crazy song that even though it's in German, I think everybody will love singing along to it because you can sing along to this. And what's happening now is in real time only if you're using curio caster because no one else has implemented this and that's going to be kind of my next Ask is not necessarily for the for

Yeah, we I mean, this will be ready we can formalize this quick. I mean, like this will be ready to be rolled up remote item tags already going to be in in phase six, that'll be next month and then the value time split. That's mean, there's really no debate around that. That's a, that's just a thing that does what it does. So I think it's, I don't see I don't see any barrier. Okay, you know, what I'm saying?

Well, well, the barrier is everyone's busy. Everyone's everyone's doing stuff. So I know it's just one of those things. Normalization

is probably even people you know, that's never stopped Steven D. No,

no. Well, he and Alex basically came to me Alex wrote it up, and Steven just said, Screw it. I'm going to do it. Oh, screw it, I'm gonna do it. Alright, so he played this song it comes from the now I have some things simply what it is, well, let me tell you first what I'm doing. So I have on my

money printing money printing money printing money printing money print money printable machine coefficient don't get on in Bitcoin as the feeder money money on the end to get in touch yet look at printed instantly Bolton was like god damn fool do you think of some Gallup Colton stock pumped up

I think the point of the song is obvious

this song is awesome. I love this

song is great. It's good so it's killer. It's like the kindest thing you played October fest you know when you're all hammered you know? Boy money printer girl put her money printer go. I already know the hook. It's so beautiful. I love this.

Allah heard I heard something about a helicopter. Helicopter money printing money out of thin

air. Yeah. English in there. Okay. Now, you may want to keep using your curio Kassar because I did want to read an email and by the way, so I was looking when I hit this thing up on the on the value block. Everything happened by itself so all sudden, the song shows up. The remote value block shows up. The podcast or value block shows up with no because we still get 5% and then and because it knows the duration of the song. It it knows exactly when to stop sync. I think it

Okay, because I was gonna I was about to boost it and and I don't know if it'll get to us or it no if

you boost it now it'd be you're too late now I think now Yeah, I'm pretty sure now it goes back to us and you know I need a third screen is what I need.

Do you need three monitors? Yeah, I

need a third monitor to be able to do all this good. We got a really nice note from Matt Bigelow.

Okay Steven basis it does not automatically switch back. Oh, how

do I stop as Steven B?

He said read refresh sovereignties refresh sovereign feeds I don't know he's it's this is this is confusing.

doesn't activate podcast and valuable okay. Oh, I see. So now just hit Activate podcast has value block. And now we're back to the podcaster value block. Okay. All right. Good. So we give them a little extra time their freebie okay. Oh, Stephen says it didn't work. It didn't fail. Oh no, it didn't work. He wants me to refresh sovereign feeds Okay, it's

Because it'll just happened after the fact now the live thing didn't did evidently didn't work.

Correct. Correct. Okay, so I'm back. Oh, I see. Here's we'll activate value. Oh, okay. Oh, I see what's going on. It's all right. Well, then let's do this. Since since that didn't work we'll do a piece of a second one. And then we got to get to our guests here in the boardroom because we're just being super rude.

Man Oh, no, we're not playing that he's enjoying the tunes.

We Okay, so I see what happened. I didn't have to activate he said I could do it with the sync button but I need to activate value block. All right, so we'll do it now for the second song. Matt Bigelow sent sent a note he says Thanks to Dave on episode 132 for mentoring my song fudge on wave Lake. You say he probably got all jacked like oh yeah, I gotta put my stop Nope. I'm a musician who has long hated Spotify and the rest because they make all the money and give artists likes

even said it's working they said the art changed the album marching Alright

here it is. This is Futch travel you need space oh yo man people most man live

shoot him is no person there we go

all right. Oh my goodness all right. So it seems like it works that time.

Let me see Yeah, I had my curio caster with muted tab up in the art the art switched oh really album art of the of the

badass now what can I do I switch this back Yeah, and I switch it back to okay now I'm understanding the launch dashboard too. Oh man. Okay, I got one have to pause syncing all that's all messed up now. All right. Wow. All right. This seems like we have a successful test. Very cool. For those of you not participating in this live test, please do that after the fact let's send one or both of these songs to the top with your booths that are really help and of course, we had to meet is

know but I was listening and it was it was quite enjoyable. If you can play more ridiculous Bitcoin songs like that.

Trust me, there's a lot of that. That's quite the genre.

No, I was too busy cleaning up a chicken disaster before. I didn't have time to properly, properly say Hey, so what's up, Mike?

What's up, man? How are you?

Good. Like you were. You were telling me? You sent me an email or like, Hey, I've got some dia dar chops. Let's talk. And so we're, you know, is the question. Well, red circle just rather than me tell everybody about red circle? Sure. Why don't you just lay it out first?

Yeah, I mean, we're a we're a podcast hosting platform. But there's, as you know, there's 30 Of those, right? So what we do in specific is that we're really focused on helping podcasters that want to make money on their podcast, make money. And so we do that with ads. We do that with more typical payments, you know, credit card subscriptions, things like that. And then we have like a full featured hosting platform with some some cool tools, cross promotions,

let me ask right off the bat, since that you must have been early with the with the dynamic insertions.

I think it existed. I mean, I came up with the idea myself thinking was brilliant. And then by the time I built it, I realized there was five or six other companies that could already do it. Because I didn't know anything about podcasting. At the time. I was just a listener. But yeah, you know, there's there's not a ton of companies that have their own technology for it, because it's not, you know, it's not for the faint of heart.

No, and I think that's probably what what, because I know, you do support transcripts. I bet, right?

We do. But we don't, you know, I think we should talk about this today. But we don't like you know, dynamically adjust them. So it's, it's like a static file for now.

Okay, so when you have an insert, then it gets out of out of sync.

That's right. And, you know, there's tons of podcasters that use red circle that don't do ads and don't do anything dynamic. So it'll work great for them. But yeah, we have some work to do. And I think the protocol has some work to do if we're going to be able to support it fully. How was the limit? Let

me go

ahead. No, please. No, please do I have been, I need to rest my pipes after that jam.

The so the, I think the first time I heard of red circle was when we had open the guy out of Nairobi on and he was talking about told us, right? He's right. Yeah, he's, uh, he used I don't know if he's still there. But he used red circle at the time. And he said that he had trouble getting like he he couldn't afford the hosting somewhere, wherever he was. And so he moved it to red circle. And he said the trade off with the free hosting with ads. We know ad programmatic was, was a

I got the feed and and I'm byte for byte constructing these mp3 files on the fly. I can definitely tell you all about it.

Okay, so So tell me tell me like I guess first of all, let me just let me just though, something that you real quick. Sure. Is there a difference in your mind between some of these terminologies, which is programmatic versus da i dynamic ad insertion, like a no streaming ad insertion, then no, that's its own thing. But those two things, do you think those are equivalent terms?

No. Okay. Um, so let me let me let me first of all, let me say this that, you know, we have a free tier on red circle that's free and very permissive, doesn't have any like, Episode limits and stuff like that. that, and you don't have to use our ads or anything like that either. It's just, uh, you can only have one podcast, that's the main restriction on our account set of having multiple podcasts, you can, you can only have one, if you use the free tier that's like the

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So that's, that's, that's, that's. So that's done dynamic audio insertion, maybe?

Yeah, I just call it dynamic search. That's just dynamic insertion, right? And podcasters tons of podcasters. Use that they don't do anything with ads, or they do that and they do their own ads host read, and they use our tools to put them in and out. And they don't have anything, we're not part of the value chain of that or anything. It's just their own

Okay, so the programmatic the programmatic advertising insertion stuff, then does that come from your own internal, like, DSP type thing? Or are you are you calling out to a third party to get to at both? Yeah,

we have like the third party stuff, and then we do our own like host read thing, which is very similar to like a DSP.

Okay, so you may be you may be calling out to grab the ad audio, but you're but you're stitching it in house,

correct? Yeah. But but not a lot of people are doing all those things. Yeah. Okay. All right.

When we did when we had pod show in 2006 2007. And I don't think anyone has done this, because he had all the technologies there, we did something called the golden ticket. And we gave away five golden tickets at random. And so what would happen was, that would be a specific spot within within the show, and five people out of the you know, whatever, how many 10,000 downloaded the show would here then all sudden, you've got a golden ticket? That's cool. Has anyone done

I don't think we could support that. Because unless it was the first five downloads, but But yeah, I would say the coolest and most creative thing I've seen is a guy that basically has like, a choose your own adventure story podcast. Go okay. Yeah. It's not really choose because you don't actively choose it. But basically every download like mixes and matches different different versions of the chapters of this pod and of this story. Well, you say, that hurts.

It's like a knife in the gun.

Oh, it's just like, yeah, exactly. Thank you. Nice. Me. It's okay. I'll get over it. I'll get over.

I come from like the traditional tech industry. And I remember like a year ago, you guys like totally ripped the Facebook product manager on the show, like desperately trying to avoid learnings or some buzzword that you guys are? A little bit in? It's okay, hopefully I'll make it out. Okay,

it's okay. Sorry about that. It's like Pavlov's dog and I can't stop myself.

So you're so your red circle is in the podcast Standards Project. Okay, right. Am I've got that right. You're a member. Okay. So, so you so we have now established your boat, your bona fides where you can't you are you are in house, baking, dynamic ad insertion or dynamic audio insertion, and you are also a member of the podcast Andrews project. Now tell us why it's all All broken and it won't work.

And Dave, you asked the question, that's so cool, man, I appreciate that.

This is like one of those. The way I want to frame this for you guys, it's like, Have you ever had the experience? You're listening to a podcast? And you're like, doing the dishes or mowing the lawn or whatever? And you find yourself kind of like, yelling to nobody about what the people are saying on the VA? No, no, not how it works.

Yep, that's what booster for? Yes,

I know. I got it. I got a fire fountain backup. But, but yeah, so so I've been having that experience for the last little bit. Let me just try to break it down. So you guys get it right, every single download we do is unique to that specific listener, right, that that specific time that listener hit play, we are constructing that audio file dynamically. For each

Yeah, so that's and that's across all download requests. That's not like so you have you have a understand what you're saying. This is good. This is good. By the way, to understand what you're saying. You have a let's just say five minutes sliding window.

Across all the downloads for a specific URL, no, for specify a specific enclosure URL? No, it's It's tied specifically to the user who puts the IP address the user agent that requested it, and it's 24 hours for us. So if you ask me for a file, I'm going to stick something together for you. If you ask me for that same file five minutes later from the same IP and the same user agent, I'm going to give you back the same the same one, regardless of what byte range of the file you're asking.

Okay, so Okay, so if it's a so if it's an IP address that happens to be net for an office of 5000 people doesn't matter, you're still getting that same? Yeah,

those those will will, you know, that's that's that we won't treat those as unique downloads, because that's kind of how the IB decides it. And then also, we'll serve the same content to all those people.

All right, now, I have a business question. Sure. Does this make any money for you? And how and how I mean, so this is kind of unclear to me. I think some, some hosts, they just leave it all up to an ad network. And they outsource that, and they might get a piece of it. If you do that. I mean, so do you sell the ads? Do you have another network selling for you? How does that all fit together?

Yeah, we have our own in house ad sales team and the programmatic world. We're connected to a bunch of source of demand that just sort of comes into us from those vendors, sales teams. And yeah, you know, we are we are a profitable business. We've been around for five years we got out I'll save the numbers for another conversation. But, you know, millions and millions of dollars we paid out to podcasters over the years.

What? Millions and millions. Yeah. Oh, that's pretty good. And have you seen a decline? As everyone claims that thing? Well, actually, the pod podcast, industrial complex press as everything is doubled and tripled will be $15 billion. By the time my mike my grandchildren are in college. But have you seen a decline year over year? Seems like in general, that's what I'm hearing from the advertising market.

Yeah, I think the programmatic demand in general is, is a little weak. And that just kind of flowing with the overall I think investment in advertising from all the big codes that are out there putting money into into programmatic. You know, we've been able to grow, but that's because we're such a small slice of a Very large pie. I know you don't believe it's billions and billions but it's it's definitely a lot bigger than what we're doing. So I'm

happy for you. I'm gonna believe me. I'm happy. I want everyone to make money. And speaking of that, for one moment, please, oh. Only Impala when we get a 444,444. Satoshi booths, we got to interrupt. Oh, that was Martin's Martin. That's right from his very own pod friend.

He's stress testing it, what

is stress tested? We'll read his a as a long boost in a moment, we'll read the boosting ground later, just need to stop and say thank you. And yes, we got it, Martin. Well, this is very interesting, because I if anything, I thought the I thought that programmatic was really just not working all that well. But you're seeing your experiences, it is certainly at scale. I'm sure how many you can you give us an indication how many people are using dai on how many feeds are inserting ads?

Yeah, we have a little about 1100 podcasters that we monetize right now.

Okay. All right. Yeah. So that then when you when you say that you live in 100, that you monetize that. So that's 1100. And then everybody else is on some sort of free plan is that

we have free plans. And then we have like regular paid plans, just depends on what Oh, you do have paid plans? Oh, yeah, no,

they definitely have the paid plans. Yeah. What do you what do you get extra for the paid plan?

Just some better analytics stuff. You can have multiple podcasts per account. The dynamic stitching, if you're not using ADS is behind our paywall. So if you want to stitch in your own ads, you want to get stuff like that, then you have to pay. But it's a pretty permissive free tier. But you know, it's sort of the the monetization part is disconnected from whether you're paying us that's like related to

And and do you reserve the right to put ads into the free plans?

No, we don't, we're never going to put ads unless we're paying you. Right? That's not the model. Okay. And you know, right now, and I don't see this changing, we're not going to like force anybody to monetize this. That doesn't seem right.

There was pod news had that pod news database blew up, which was I'm so happy and not because I'm happy for James. Well, let me explain. Let me explain. I'm happy because he when he when he fixed the database, I started getting emails again. And you know, and for some reason, we weren't sure if it was my, whatever was happening, my email address was getting blocked somewhere, whether it was my server blocking him or something on his end, blocking me, whatever, it

Well, I think what you said before, I want to preface with and say the same thing, which is that I want everybody, I'm very happy to see as many people as possible make money with either their business or their podcasts in the space. So I'm going to preface with that. But I think there are like multiple business models that exist from podcast hosting companies. And you know, there's there's anchors, which doesn't have one, and it's my favorite. That's just, that's just real,

Interesting, because I saw on on red charcoal, like everyone else, I think does. It's never been easier to take your business away from the other guy and join us, sir. It seems like that goes on a lot. I just you know, I hear the tally on pod news. Like you know, Bo, there's 4000 and I know that they the 4000 new podcasters this week had to come from somewhere. So they probably came from another host. Is there a lot of this switching? And is that mainly on price? Or is it

I'm probably not the you should ask the Buzzsprout. Guys that because I feel like they'll probably have a better picture of it, we tend to focus on, you know, because we focus on like, making money through through ads and through payments, you know, we tend to focus on like larger podcasters, which is a smaller set than then the overall podcast or user

bugged me about the hosting model is when you get a successful podcast, it's actually bad for your business. It's so weird, and, and so now I'm gonna make my pitch to you, because we'd love to see you do a lot more with value for value. And just as an example, this show gives 10% to sovereign feeds for all intents and purposes, our hosting company, because sovereign feeds creates the feed in essence, now we have

right. Yeah, I mean, I am super interested in it. When you guys were originally kind of forming it, I went a little bit nuts. And I spun up my own server, and I had my own lightning node going, I think that's all between.

Now that's dead.

I stopped paying attention to it, and it died. Like a certificate expired. And I think I lost a couple 100 bucks somewhere on that machine.

It's like a chia pet. If you don't, you're gonna come back and it's gonna be yellow. Yes.

That's exactly what happened. I hope it was, I think it was just a couple 100 bucks, but maybe I can still recover it anyway, I think it's really interesting. And I mean, that authentically, I've put my own time into understanding the technology and a pretty deep level. And I think it's awesome. And I think like, like many things, I have a relatively small group of engineers, we have to be really choosy about

I got an email from Erica corn, bla, corn, blah, corn, blah, car and do you h kornblum which of course was and by the way, I'm one of those guys who loves having his email address in the feed because I'd get all these interesting emails with you. And so I want to read this and then we'll laugh about it and then I'll ask you about this. Hi there. Couldn't even couldn't even plug in my first name. My name is Erica, I work on a team at YouTube that helps podcast launch and grow on our

Butte the terminology incredible new features. Yeah.

Well, so first of all, they're obviously trying to I don't know I don't even know what they're trying to do because they don't create RSS feeds. Just your general take being in the industry on YouTube. Entering the space as they have

i You think that since they're not RSS feeds, it's not that interesting. I think they could figure out how to make it more interesting in the future. Well, I mean, I mainly see this as like, they see Spotify, messing around with video. And they are just trying to be as directly competitive as possible. And I think that's like, that's the main motivation.

It's also I thought, pathetic. I mean, there's, if they don't, my answer to her was until you actually ingest RSS feeds. There's no reason for me to call you. Yeah, which snorting even

if they do ingest RSS feeds, but then they don't have what we call like, passthru, where like the word Spotify calls password where like, the download request actually gets back to your hosting provider. Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. If that doesn't happen, then then it's not really podcasting, in my view.

Thank you. Thank you. Let's,

let's get back to the to dynamic ad insertion, because we want to make sure we're a bunch of squirrels and we just run off the all over the place this Okay, so dynamic ad insertion. What what is the main, you began to describe the, the disconnect there, where you are going to say why it's so challenging to keep the transcript and the chapters in sync with the dynamic with the stitch together audio?

Yeah. So I think, going back to what you said before, right, each individual download where the listener hits play is unique to that specific listener at that time, right for that episode, right. And that is unique to them. But the transcript URL and the chapter URL is at the feed level right?

Okay. And Nathan geth, Nathan, Catherine has boosted in a question. So I'll let you finish your train of thought.

Yeah. So that's, that's like, you know, one option, right. And then the other option, which I think some folks have proposed on Macedon, Twitter and stuff is, is to put the URL to that unique version of the episodes transcript and that unique version of the episodes, version of the chapters in headers that come back with the download, right?

Okay. All right. I got I got I got it now. So So here, so let's talk about a spec, then let's Let's hammer this hammer this out for a second. So there, Nathan's Nathan's thing, and I've got another idea here. So Nathan, Nathan said, why Kelsey would just love the discussion around da triggers, if apps were supporting Uli days, then hosts could provide the same audio and transcripts to match. So yeah, that is that that goes back to sort of like your client. Client level specification. Yeah,

that's okay. If I think that solution is good. The idea behind the URL ad is like, I'm uniquely identifying like this, this app for this download, right? And that way I can distract it over users.

Yeah, each user so every, just to rehash it, every user down every download, generates a unique URL ID, right. And if the app ever downloads that same enclosure, again, it won't use the same URL ID otherwise it always generates a new one.

if that would work, that would work. Yeah, it also is one solution. I think that header one is better. But I think that can totally work that basically, we need some way to know that the person who downloaded this thing is coming back, right for either to download the episode again, or to download the files that have this metadata.

So a Uli D solution, would that cause you to have to save state

that we saved the state anyway, I think we would just have to save the URL ID and build an index off it too. I think that'd be okay. We'd have to make sure that like, you know, I think that'd be okay.

Because Because the other option here is in is, if there was some sort of, if there was a way to describe the breakpoints, and the length, the Start Times and the durations within some sort of like string or something. Then when the when the enclosure is delivered, you deliver a header that says, here's where the breakpoints were. Like, you're you're you're you're delivering with the enclosure, also an extra header that says, here's a list of all the breakpoints and how long

My only thing with that is that I don't always know how long the breaks are going to be in advance

that you stitch the mp3 together, so you wouldn't know. Right?

I know at the time when I give it to you. But But I guess what I'm saying is across downloads, I don't know. Right? So where are you suggesting I put that, that brake information.

So that would be like when the client, let's just say that it's cast ematic When cast ematic requests the download, yep, to download the enclosure, you return it, you stitch the mp3 together and then return a header with the with the with, with the breakpoints in it.

I mean, that can also work. But I think if we're going to do the headers, we might as well just give you a URL where you can go fetch the transcripts specifically for it. You know, I will say as the ad guy that like a lot of AD, people will not be pumped to tell the client where the breaks are gonna be mixed feelings about that from add people that might help you skip them. Which, you know, there are pros and

Okay, so that that would be that would be a Uli D type solution and or what you said like the head, the header? I mean, the way in true 2.0 fashion, I mean, the way this probably would work is you just you do you'd start doing the thing that makes the most sense. And then we'll, we'll just all look at it and say and, you know, hash it out. Play it. If you say if you think you have a good solution, start delivering that solution, if it's not too much trouble, and then we'll all

but I think but I think I think I'm interested in it. And I think that the the like header based solution is one that like, as I heard from a few other folks that do dynamic insertion recently, they seem to think that was like best. So yeah, I would love to mess around with it. Right now. We let you upload a transcript, but we don't like parse it and mess

Can I ask a question about the advertising and really only because I see that Dave bought brought clips today.

To me Oh, I MTN

Yeah, because there's been a lot of talk about, you know, what is brand safe, although I've heard this all my life, what is brand appropriate, and then we have the new news guard. Have you dealt with these folks?

I have not. Okay.

Dave, that's your cue, I bet.

Well, I'm trying I'm trying to look at my sheet here. Well, the I did a little bit of research. I didn't get too deep into it because I figured out really quickly that it was boring. ring. So just kind of kind of moved

your ISO shitposting There you go.

But this here, I thought this was an interesting interview. This is an interview with this C co CEO of newsguard. In the AdExchanger podcast, which was evidently just recently, but he it was pretty good interview. And I mean, you know, I'll, I'll told you learned a lot. But I thought this this was sort of an interesting his concept here. I don't, I don't have a problem with the overall concept I

We've been on several conversations with CEOs, you know, where we say, You sure you don't didn't know this, but your ads are appearing on Russian disinformation sites. The CEO literally turns to the CMO and says, to look at all the websites where our ads appear. And the CMO, of course, responds, well, you know, in the old days, of course we did. But there's this thing called programmatic advertising. And you know, we don't really but our verification company told us

I gotta get me a slice of that.

The funniest part of that thing to me was unintentionally, yes, yes. You're sure. Okay. But then, but he nailed it. He brings it home. And then I want to make a point. Oh, in about he's talking about Warren Buffett. In clip two,

oh, I'm sorry. I got 15 things going on.

We reported one year, for example, that the largest advertiser on Sputnik News, one of the Russian disinformation sites was Warren Buffett. Because GEICO that year happened to be its biggest advertiser. And of course, Warren Buffett doesn't wake up any morning thinking to himself what can I do to support Russian disinformation? Oh goodness.

Here's, here's the this this is all such bullcrap. Because of course there when you when you're an advertiser, you What do you want more than anything is to sell is to is to advertise in a place where you can sell your where your products will increase in sales and peep even people who read RT they also have cars in the car insurance. So the idea that that oh, you never eat you would never want to want to advertise your stuff on RT or Nick he's

not baloney he's not he's not he's not being he's being disingenuous. The reason why he doesn't want that is because of the pressure groups who are out there and we'll go and look at RT and say, Ah, your ads on there you're horrible you're supporting Russian disinformation that's what they want to avoid this year. That's the problem.

Sure, but that's so so the so the real the real issue there is not that you don't want to you want to but you just don't want anybody to find out about it in that way

yeah, there you go. That's right.

Because there's that's a whole there's a lot of people that they read that what would be classified as disinformation sighs that needle that need car insurance and would love to sell to those people because their money spends just like everybody else's does. That's where That's where tick tock is is is killer in that regard. Because everybody's newsfeed is so personalized. Yep, those advertisers You don't even you wouldn't even know that they were advertising on in certain sections in certain

are you? Are you a Chinese spy? Dave Jones? What are you pro China? What's wrong with you, man? What do you do? Would you have balloons in your garage?

This is the listen to clip, clip three. This is a what I thought was a nice little nugget here.

I realized that if you called somebody and said that you were representing a news organization, they would very often almost always answer whatever question you had.

Thought that was pretty easy. Like, if you if you call them up and say, Hey, hon Dave, I'm from Homeland Security, they're probably not going to answer your questions. But if you're if you're a journalist, they will answer your questions. That's a nice little nugget. Yep.

Journalists love to talk about each other.

Right? And themselves and themselves.

But that, but here's, here's where it here's, here's sort of where the rubber meets the road, PLAY CLIP floor clip for about programmatic.

He came to me one day, and he said, Gordon, how would you like to get all of Jaguar? Right? It's

kind of sounds like Alec Baldwin is crazy. I mean, he's so

hard to clip.

He came to me one day, and he said, Gordon, how would you like to get all of Jaguars digital advertising this year in the US? And I said, that'd be great. How much of Jaguars advertising have we gotten in the past year? And he said, about 20%. And I said, I'd love to get 100%. And I let a little pause, go? And I said, Mike, what's, what's the downside of

Hmm.

So this is my question that I've brought up recently is, with everybody piling into dynamic ad insertion is specifically programmatic advertising. Yep. That has to drive CPMs down across the board. Right.

Well, programmatic? Yes, I agree. Those are usually lower CPMs

mean that okay, but I'm being very specific here. You know, they are generally lower already. But what I'm saying is, for every, let's say, for every 100 podcasts that enable programmatic advertising, yep. That you now have a larger available ad ad space. Yep. So that would buy me to just supply and demand is going to drive rates down because you have a larger set to sell against agree. Yep. So ultimately, this

I mean, one way to think about it is race to the bottom. And another way to think about it is like the value is the market is going to determine the value, right? It's like the if this is what publishers are willing to take for this, then that's what an advertiser should I don't know, I used to work at Uber. We did. You know, I understand surge pricing and things like that. And like that's the way things things should work. Oh, yeah. So

I have a question about that. Sure. When you were Uber, and you can be dodgy if you want, but I'm sure I'm pretty sure that Uber knew who I was and priced me more expensive than someone else for the same ride from the same location. True or False?

As far as I know, false when I worked there, you know, six years. All right. All right. Dave, your point is a good one like programmatic and doesn't really take advantage of all the good things that podcasts have, right? You have this like listener base that comes and listens to your audience every week, you have this really close relationship.

Yeah, the Yeah, right. So the see this here, here's a good example. There's ad exchanges. So this, that interview took place on the AdExchanger podcast as AdExchanger clear clearly a market industry ad industry. Products like,

yeah, so it's a it's a it's a journalistic. Right.

Yes, then. So you would think that this ad focused industry product would have would be sort of a pinnacle of creative when it comes to the ad, like ad, you know, ad creative content. The Ad Exchange or horrible drop in ad would prove would say that that is not correct.

Speaking of podcasts, and of course, you're on our podcast, I feel like okay,

stop. She's killing me already. Who is this woman? Podcast?

podcast, and of course, you're on our podcast. I feel like so many advancements have happened within podcast advertising in the past year. What are some of the major highlights for you? As we all know, content is what makes podcasts so engaging, and to podcast ad tech advancements leverage the power of podcast content. One is predictive audiences would use his podcast content signals, to better identify audiences in a way that is scaled and future proofed when it comes to the ever

Man, I've been hearing this forever. Does anyone actually do that with transcripts? Yeah.

There's some vendors that are out there doing that these days.

I'd like to give a content signal that the lady was talking about. Everybody knows that's our content signal.

There's not a dad though. What was that?

That was an ad. That was a that was that was that were what? Yes. It for ads. Wiz. This, just dropped that right in. Yeah, it was sort of a fake interview segment, infomercial, or others you said it was like, you know, oh, yes, this is this is great. And number two, I'm like, well, there was no number one, pre written ad creative. And this is horrible.

And we got to talk about something else. Now I'm going to shoot myself.

In the butt. My point for playing that was that this is from this is from the ad industry itself. Horrible. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, the DA, the the Dai thing, I think, I mean, I think we can solve it. But really, it does have to be though. It does have to be that people have to stop being so insane to some degree. So so afraid of people skipping the ads?

Yeah, I'm not worried about that. The reason I brought that up before is I think other people will be what I just kind of, like, bring it back for a moment. You know, first of all, dynamic insertion doesn't have to be ads. And we have lots of examples where that's the case. And so I think we should figure out the technical solutions to make this work regardless. And then more importantly, like we're not like deep believers in in the future programmatic it's a part of our

And I'm going to beg you again to go value for value because I think it would be so accretive to your business and you know you clearly have a good head on your shoulders you know business. There's still time to get in still time to get in on the ground floor. Particularly with these music things. This is this is going to burst wide open the first podcast host to offer

do allow musical on the platform.

We not just like straight up music. Because it's too hard for us to handle the guy.

No, I don't think I think that's why wave Lake and dystopian. These guys are great. That's what they they know how to do that even if SoundCloud gets their crap together, they don't have they're very close. They have RSS feeds. That that's their business. But to write like sovereign feeds, I have the

I think it's, I think what you're doing with it is very smart. You know, and it's a good example of like, you remember, there was all this, this drama, a couple blog posts from Spotify, about how like RSS is bringing us down, and we can't build these protocols that are capable of moving the space forward. And like one of the things that's only available on Anchor is being able to put a Spotify music file in the middle of your podcast, and yeah, we've got all the licensing and stuff

you. Thank you. Thank you. Well, speaking of speaking of that, you were at the infamous dinner in in Dallas. And the podcast Stan was project has launched I believe red circle is part of it. You know, it's been like the silence is deafening. What have you heard on the inside? Is anything going on? I mean, I know. It's hard. But have you heard of anything? Any updates?

I don't have anything for you. I think I'm I'm like the not not the leader. And I think right now everybody's busy. We should like step up and make sure the ball keeps moving forward. That's really all I can say. Okay, like right now, it's just everybody did a bunch of stuff to get that initial pump going. And you know, we shipped, you know, pod paying and fun. You know, a bunch of new tags ain't

gonna break. Thank you for that pod ping is super important, super important. After

all the aggregator headaches I had this week. It just reinforced the idea of why potting is so much better than having to just hammer feeds all day long. It's sucks. I want to

thank James Cridland for giving us an updated feed image. He correctly identified that that was wrong.

No, did you drop it in? Yeah, of course. Of course.

Also, correction blogger created a chat GPT plugin for the podcast index. I haven't used it yet. Have you? Have you messed around with it? Dave? Some people have been looking at it.

I don't have a chat GP refused to have a chat GPT account so I can't play with it. But it because ended this requires the pro version. Do you have chat? GPT mic?

I don't like I can't wear it. But I just played around with it.

Yeah, I don't. I don't know anybody that pays for it. Well, I'm gonna I guess I'm gonna have to do that. But I've seen some other people this this, like all kinds of the reason why is there's so much so much data that we have, it's so beautiful. You could train an AI model on our database alone and just follow the links. I mean, the transcripts, everything, I

mean, transcripts has a lot of value. I think just for kind of like providing folks with the text as they're listening and the accessibility aspects and stuff but like once it gets broad adoption, and we have huge this huge corpus of just what podcasting altogether represents, like there's just a lot of value there that people will be able to tap into to search for the things you want to recommend other podcasts all this good stuff.

You know, I'll say this in sort of speaking about transcripts and their act like their time, time sensitivity within the within the playback. You know, if you've watched to broadcast television in any way, I mean, the closed captioning is often way out of sync. I mean, like, way out of OH,

REALLY disturbingly, so.

Yeah. Like, like minutes behind. Yeah. And so like, we're already better than that. So I don't think, you know, even if you have a non time adjusted transcript, you're probably still fairly close to what you mean, like, you're probably still way better than broadcast television, honestly.

Well, you know, perfect is the enemy of good or whatever the saying is, that's why we shipped it knowing Yeah, that wasn't sick.

Yeah, I agree. This, can I got a couple of, I've got a couple of I've got a couple of requests for the, for the website. Okay. In, like, so the, the person search in the API is so killer, that it needs to be more exposed, and I'm what I'm what I think. But if if somebody would hit this is why I have to come begging with, you know, holding my hat to people because I don't understand how to code react. So I don't I can, I can basically can't even code our own website, I have to depend on

basically, like, I've never heard that before. That's crazy. So like that must be doing that to like, clients and stuff, too. Is it something specific about you, and you're scanning a lot of things or

now? No, I've seen Marco. I've seen Marco complain about it, too. He tweeted about it a while, like, if you if you hit it sufficiently enough times, it just it challenges you and you won't let you they won't let you go any further. In the book, you become like, blacklisted or something.

Yeah, I mean my opinion about that it's going to be controversial around these parts, which is that like I think most people shouldn't be hosting their own RSS feeds. But, but I'm happy to debate that if you want for things like

my I don't disagree at all I mean if you if you're if you with what you're saying is most quote most people know I agree with that. I guarantee you most people shouldn't be hosting a lot of their own stuff.

My favorite is just the animosity and the rudeness that people come to app developers and podcasts index demanding, demanding why this is not working. And your platform is no good. And what is wrong? I can't the play button doesn't work. Wow. Holy moly people.

A small tech company, I've done my fair share of frontline support for many years. And it's, I always have a lot of respect for for support reps now that I'm on the other end of it,

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Oh, I have the sound pulled up fountain a while ago and it has a head it did not notify me. But if you pull up our show in the fountain app, it has a little Live button at the top of it and I can tap it and listen live.

Oh, okay. Well, I'm very excited about that. 70,776 from blueberry Dave How would I generate generate a GUID for a live item I've been putting in the episode number every week and something tells me that's not the correct way to go.

Do it for the live. I mean, you just you just put it in a stomach the gua tag you just got to do it. I

think it means like the GUID for the for the episode. I mean, you can put anything there as long as you need go to Google

and search for the UU ID generator and you're all set. Yeah,

I mean, I've been banned on this

show. I just use the episode number. That's that's valid, right?

What's Yeah, yeah, the enclosure you can use the enclosure URL like that.

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so I was Jason said that initially the I don't know if we talked about this boom podcast Guru is out right now only boosting the valuable arcs that are in the feed in the

not from the not from the Shem

for not from the shear but he said that's coming so cool, man. We're Cool cool cool. Marks 31 111 through fountain he says y'all discussed pod stir for like 82 seconds. I'm good with that. As he says appreciate the honest feedback on the idea definitely don't want to be a corpse on the replace RSS trail. But definitely do want to go get an Austrian podcasting two point I'm making sweet deal say love more to come.

It makes so much sense to just create a nasty podcast client that does boosts just forget the ZAP part. That's what everyone's hung up on. That's all

Yeah, yeah. And also marks I mean, it's not I think you can integrate nostre in podcasting in a lot of ways that are not the replays RSS part. Like if you if you just integrate with RSS as it is, you can still do like, I think you can still do most of what you're wanting to do. It's just the the RSS is going to be just honestly impossible to replace. It's just not going to happen.

So Honey Badger man, it's just a honey badger. It's like you can't you can't get rid of it. It's not going to Spotify

has put billions into trying and yes,

thank you. Yes, excellent point. Excellent point my perfect

point perfect point and but but but like there's so much cool stuff that you could do that I would love to see you do. And like I do want, like I would love to see you do this stuff. jpg send us. Satchel Richards Thank you JPEG 1776. Just listening says so excited for fountain going lit. The musical development is amazing. Thank you for all your work. And thank you to all of the developers go podcasting. Yeah, go developers. Bore logs and 20,000 SATs. I can't thank you

Thank you. cspn Wolf. Have any monthlies Thank you before

we do we guess we get David Norman $25.

Thank you, David for putting HTTPS into the into hyper catcher. And I believe that got sir. He got a cert. I believe that now all works. And now our podcast and 2.0 transcript is showing up in the appropriate places that require to assert.

Nice, yeah. Paul Saltzman $22.20 Derek J. Vickery. $21. Damon, Cassie, Jack $15, Jeremy Gertz $5. And Trevor and Zeno are $5 in that circle.

And thank you all very much this has value for value you you're supporting the podcast, but you're really supporting the entire project, the index, all of the machines and of course, liquidity on the node anyone who needs a channel that includes you Mike, if we need to Rio, we're probably going to have to reopen the channel if you're still interested in in reviving your Chia Pet otherwise, I'm glad you opened up again, lb Wallet. So we'll be able to put you in the

He's like Pingdom.

Yes. Oh my goodness. So again, we're gonna play the our anthem or money printer Gober after the after the closing credits after the end tune and I will be switching the artwork and the value block if you want to test that with us one more time. So we can see if we can get get that song to the top of the wave Lake top 40 Before we even released the podcast. I was looking at rusty gate. They have Baumann since since last week, 328,000 Satoshis

Ooh, nice.

Joe Martin. Let's see high gravity. Well, he's on the chart twice. 185,000. But he's, for some reason, it's in there twice. What's the second one? I'm not sure how that works.

There is some kind of thing going on with Wave lake and then wavelet. Guys, if you're if you're hearing this, you check your feeds, because some there's two different feed URLs being used. And it's outputting different ones. One is like Playa dot wave lake.com. And the other one is just wave like da

and that'll screw up their stats. Yeah.

Michael or Samuel need to like check that and see what's going on. Because some of it must be wrong. Right. Yeah, Mike, do you? Do you have anything coming down the pipe as far as 2.0 tags or support for anything?

Not immediately. Some of the stuff that we're planning to do next is some of the other kind of low hanging fruit stuff like person and a good, which we don't have, you know, there's just a couple form fields, things like that. And then yeah, like I said, you know, I can see us working on value value at some point in the future, just kind of waiting for my moment to pull the trigger.

Excellent. I just saw that rusty Shackleford just posted a link. There apparently is a daily source code podcast, GitHub. We're, we're assembling we're reassembling the show on GitHub. Good. Well, maybe I have all the jingles so maybe I should I should just I should react to it and looking for a name anyway. Are you back reactivate that mic man, I want

Yeah, I think so. I mean, I think what I would like to do is just try to try to document what we discussed with maybe try to first crack with a U lid or or the header and then just read you know, read the spec and then let you have a you know have a look at it and see what you think. Yeah, sounds good because we do need a spec okay yeah cuz I agree we do need a spec so if you if you want to work with me on that a bit that'd be awesome and I'll pull Nathan into sure

All right. Thank you very much chat room for being with us for boosting us remember to stick around live on curio caster to boost the money printer go birdsong. Dave back to the chicks man.

No, back to the mob. This was gonna have

horrible I'm gonna see if I can take my drug dog out for a walk. We have a not a good animal day today. Buddy, thank you very much for being here for the board meeting. We'll be back next week with another one on Friday. Until then we'll see you here on podcasting 2.0

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