Episode 131: Toilet Scroller

podcasting 2.04 main fest 2023 Episode 131 Grab your Twitter scroller. Whoa, we're back. All in one face. Welcome to podcasting. 2.0 That's right, the official board meeting of the future and current state of podcasting, everything going on a podcast index.org podcast namespace and of course, anything we're gossiping about on podcast index dot social. We are the premier podcast boardroom. I'm I'm very here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, ladies,

No, I have I've I can follow a recipe. Yeah, but the recipes in recipe books horrible. They're like this. This is the typical recipe book. It's okay, you're gonna make Fettuccine Alfredo. First, go make the alfredo sauce, which is on page 13.

You know, you know, the next cloud? You're familiar with the next cloud product, right?

Is this the fork of ownCloud? Yes, exactly.

Yeah. They have a whole recipe module. And it's actually pretty good. And you can even you can just say, go to this URL and import the recipe there. It knows how to parse through a web page pulls it all in, get your ingredient list. It's pretty bad.

Is there an open spec for recipe formatting?

You know, we've? No, I don't think so. But we've talked about this we talked about I think at one point that value for value. Could even be recipes with recipe chapters.

We we talked about in in the boardroom? Yes. This is a weird discussion, a

good idea. It's a great idea. I'm telling you. It's good

medium said we needed a new medium tag. Yeah, he made food

equals a recipe. By the way. Today, as we all know, podcasting 2.0 This podcast is not only a part of the overall podcasting 2.0 project, it is the gateway to the drug that you want on the back end. But it's also where we run with scissors, which means it's very possible due to changes in today's podcast V that it may not even work in your podcast app.

It almost didn't work in yesterday.

So I just yeah, we need to tell everybody how. And I don't use this word lightly how awesome Steven b is. So I'm getting ready for no agenda. We've been doing live shows, while the legacy of lit into a degree is no agenda, who've had an IRC chat room and a stream going for at least 14 years of the 16. And so have that all in a live in your app in one of the four curio caster pod pod verse. A podcast addict podcast Guru, I think that's for so far. These of course phenomenal. So I've

Tech support, which is no better than level one. Of course neither

of us have his number. Why would we? Why would we?

I'm looking at my signal. I'm like

no, I thought it was in signal two, but I guess I never had I don't know back channeling I'm publishing I'm doing it. On the site itself. I'm sending emails. Like okay, well just it is what it is and then we're into the pre show music and being Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. And what did you say it was? I think one of the libraries that he was using, made a change.

I see. It's like a date time library, maybe that parses the date. He had a specific something with time. It was something with the time you've looked at what the error was, right?

Yeah, it

was, it was like spitting out an error in the console. And it was like something with parsing the date is whatever, like, like a minutes or something.

Oh, he says, looks like the svelte library. I use as my framework had some changes that broke a few components. I've done some quick fixes, and tested it, it seems to be working again, I'm able to update live item and download the RSS feed. Let me see what was the and this was literally 1257, which is now three minutes before I go live to air. The awesome. This is great. But the thing wasn't like, I wasn't really worried at all, you know, like, Okay, we'll see whatever

bucket brigade down the hall with the tape. Yeah, exactly.

So the last board meeting we had, which was two weeks ago, since I had a another oral procedure, which is less fun. That

was the grill the grill was

you know, so this, again, the brochure is very colorful.

Everybody has smiles on their face. Yes.

So this was part two, the first part was the extraction. Now that was a five hour procedure. And this was supposed to be about three. And this is to implant eight posts, which now after

we you sent me the picture of this diagram, and it just makes your it just, it just makes your skin and

makes your nuts extracted go up

is horrible. I mean, like just the idea of screwing titanium posts to your jaw bone is like,

remember, this is freshly grown jaw bone. That's that's

not that's a horrible thing to say. It's not I should not say no. Nobody should ever say freshly grown bone.

It's the technology is pretty outrageous. I mean, it's all pretty high tech. And as part of this this procedure be ahead and by the way I come in so it was a little different this time last time he gave me like Xanax or something or some valium derivative who? Well, yeah. And I was like, Okay, I mean, look, man, I've been a stoner all my life. You think I quit for a couple months, like and I'm like, it's like, my, like, my resistance is gone? No. Like, it was a little little

What? No. No, how does the thing that makes you like a zombie. He just woke her up.

Yeah, similar to that. And within 20 minutes, I'm loopy. Like

never even thought that was a coffee company.

It's a benzo I think. But he gave me the max dosage. So I'm gonna Wow. And then yeah, and then the minute I'm kind of going Lupino teenagers there says a prayer. Bless her heart. Yeah. And she leaves you're like, Okay, I'm gonna go feed the dog. And then all this action, you know, the IV goes in through and that's the, again the fentanyl IV and four hours, man, it was long. But what he did is a part of

That's the most amazing thing to me that you can do that you don't even need them anymore. So

I went from 10 to six on the headphones. And now I'm from six to five. And again, it's only in the right ear though, but it's improved. as is for now.

I saw an article the other day about oral infection leads to this some new discovery they've made that can lead to rheumatoid arthritis,

all kinds of horrible things.

I'm starting to think that the firt the first time you have a chronic disease, you don't go to the doctor you go to the dentist or

the dentists and have a scan done and they can see Get right there it's like a $200 scam you stand in this thing turns around your head which is quite concerning disconcerting

is blue is blue and X rays through there

definitely definitely is and and they can see it right away okay if your infection and then you know there's a number of things you can do but also your body is always your body is continuously fighting infection it can slow you down make you tired all kinds of stuff and I had this for 10 years so anyway everything's good. So there was some swelling but what was different now is up where you know my my cheekbones and right by my nose and but now that only

It but that's easy, though. That's not a that's not a procedure at

this point. I don't think anything's easy. I'd Oh, that's the easiest part. Okay, we'll see. I

was just glue them to the post or something. I mean, I'll find

out today I was was wondering about that. I mean, because you can't screw them

in now because you can't make their SNAP is like a click,

you know, again, or maybe maybe you do put it I know that just I'm sure there's some secret sauce that I'll find out.

If they snap on you can swap them out with different stuff like you could put I have

requested this. I requested this technology just so I could put it in a real grill or something, you know,

yeah, gold. I mean, you know, swapping it but anyway,

so, Mitch, he's He's so good. Because he listened to the shows too. He listened to no agenda. He listened to Korean the keeper. He listened to the podcast and 2.0 is like a little beyond me. But he says things funny to hear you guys. Yep. And so he's very concerned about the soliciting. And you said Okay, so right now your gums are still a little swollen. So when that goes down, then this listing of starts so he's pre ordering all these temporary bridges to make sure that you know, snap this

So this will expand his his user but his user base his customer base to be. He will be he will be the periodontist to the podcast industry. Oh, well, I've

already sent at least 10 people to him. And I have other dentists and periodontists. Now saying actually dentist more saying you know, when someone comes to me, I'm just going to give them a scan just to see what else is going on with them. Because it's oh yeah, this is not well discussed.

Know this, I think this is a burden. This is a burgeoning area of research.

So back to Steven bell. He so in this two week period we talked about, I kind of pitched the idea of how I would like to do music and podcasting where you know, when I play a song, then the value block switches to the value block of the song which presumably would be uploaded to dystopia or wave lake or one of the other hosts and would be submitted into the podcast index and would have its own splits and he did it he implemented he put it into sovereign feeds and

I'd have no idea what you're talking about. So to let you explain from explain from the beginning of what was so if curious of curio caster I'm just trying to get my bearings straight after I've tried to I've tried to not keep up with a logo and most of what y'all are doing it's okay I can come fresh. Okay, so So this secure Rio Castro obviously eats these tags. Yes, correct. And so it is going to understand what it's seeing when you play later when later someone plays back

yeah, when the player hits the timestamp, at that point, anything that the player is sending in a payment, whether it's a streaming per minute payment, or a booster booster gram will now use a different value block, it'll use the value block of that, of that, in this case, Song comm. And it will actually just just to be super cool, it will actually split that and give 95% to that value block, which will then be split amongst its own parameters. I don't know how

Okay, so this nut, I got you. So let me the value time split tags, let me just jump over here.

But just just to make a simple whenever I play a song on one of my podcasts now that song, of course has to be known to podcast index, which is easy to do. You know, you can upload your album, whenever I play a song 95% of anything that I would have normally received from people streaming or boosting or booster grams will now go to the owner of the song and however they have their song, their their payments split up.

And this is this is effectuated by a new, this new value time split tag which goes into the value block.

I don't know where it goes, I have no idea what it does. But I'm a podcaster I don't know what it's doing. Right. So I

was doing okay, so there was this value time split tag is a new child item of the podcast value. So it's sort of a it's a sibling of value recipient. So it's in the value tag. And then and then it has a start time parameter, an attribute, a duration attribute and a remote percentage attribute. Right. So that's set to so like it will say like at

So So again, I'd like everyone to make sure you have curio caster, you probably got all that set. So when you hear this in in post production, and the as a whole tool set forward and sovereign feeds, so I don't have to do a lot of work and I don't have to copy things manually. I just say okay.

I'm sorry, but this is gonna break so the most. This is the most interesting that we've ever done.

I was thinking the same thing like this will not work in any other podcasts that I'm gonna have be looking at. I'm gonna be getting emails for weeks. Hey, man, dog catcher broke on your show, whatever your

dog catcher is gonna shut his pants.

Alright, so I was thinking, Who can we possibly play that has has the music meet. So it also medium equals music. So the whole set it's official. You know, this actually comes from wave Lake, who we had on the show just a couple of weeks ago when we've talked like three weeks ago. We're talking about this. And it's Joe Martin. So Joe Martin already got into the fountain top 10 At some point because people were just finding his music on fountain. So now yeah,

from through the night a shout at us.

Joe Martin gravity high gravity keeps holding me down here on podcasting 2.0 I love doing that for the first time ever smash your champagne bottle please

So if what yeah what's gonna happen is you're gonna be getting you're gonna get a message a bunch of messages tonight was there no show today

didn't show up in my it doesn't show up in my podcast. What happened?

Yeah, or or the other alternative is that you're everybody's gonna be fine up until the moment that the music starts and then all the apps crash.

Thank you very much, Steven B for putting that together and I can't wait to see how it works out. I mean this we all agree This is what this show was for running with scissors.

This is this is our town records that we need scissor insurance. Yeah, I agree with him. Yeah, we totally do. What so what and Tim, tell me what you just did, though. So you in so in sovereign feeds, when you started the song, did you hit the sync button? Oh,

no, no, I mean, that's. So Stephen B put together a whole system that this is how you do it. And like, that's not how I'm going to do it. Because there's no way I mean, when I'm when I'm, when I'm getting ready, I'm getting ready to start the song. And I want to, you know, and I'm ready to start, I'm not gonna be hitting five buttons at the same time. So it's a little extra work for me with not much in post, when I have everything set up. There's a tab in sovereign

Okay, so you, the way you would do that is you would mark it in his Hindenburg. And then No, no, no, no,

no, I there's a little player. I just hit the player in sovereign feeds.

Oh, you're just listening back. So you kind of know where that Yeah. Okay, and I'm thinking of

everyone was trying to make it real easy. And it makes it real hard. Because I'm What about

live though, when that happens, has that has what's your workflow? I

have no idea what Steven B is going to do for that. Now, in that case, I can imagine I would have to hit that and hit something else. Which will suck, but we'll figure it out. Doesn't matter. I mean, so maybe if it's as simple as Okay, here's the three songs I'm going to play in this episode, right? And that little interface, and I start the song and all I have to do I pre loaded the songs. I just hit a little button, and then it's good to go. And that might work. We'll figure it out.

wow. My third cousin. Yeah.

We're all Indians. Were all related. Y'all

Brahmins all of you. We are. That's it?

That's it. Everything is a little gene

oncology, that you I mean, yeah, you have a pod fans is just one is basically just one huge pair of scissors, right?

Oh, completely. I just listened to your show. And then I now have to go away and fix remote items. Thanks.

Well, I will say, you know, I was listening to the show last week, and all I heard was, Oh, that's too hard. I'm not gonna do that. What curry What is he thinking about?

Yeah, well, that's true. I mean, literally, I've just listened to that. And I'm with Dave. I mean, really? How's that going to be implemented? So over to Steven B. And then when he's fixed it, I'll follow. Yeah, I think that's the best way. Yeah.

I mean, I also have no idea how he makes all this work. And we're just gonna presume that it did work at least Securio Kassar and we'll see how that went. But Sam, it's so nice to have you on that. We have lots of talk about particularly about pod fans. I do want everyone to know that. Sam has a lot of depth. So Sam, and I didn't realize I just sighs me I was shallow Indian dude. But when when I heard you on mere mortals podcast was Kyron. To you got quite a life. You've been around?

Well, I mean, I'm the same age as you, Adam. And you know, you know, we've had a life Haven't we both of us?

Yeah. No, you started in the army, I believe. Yeah, I

straight out of school went into Sandhurst, which is the Military Academy, I suppose the equivalent of West Point. And yeah, I did that because I didn't really know what else to do. I like just running. I was like the Forrest Gump of life and I just ran around fields and jumping out of planes. That's what I did.

Did you do actual parachuting and stuff?

we'd be able to talk about. So

beyond the bullshit Sam edit, I heard as an edit right there. What did he say? What did he say that got taken out?

He said, I can't call today do this. Yeah, they don't not gonna do value for value at all. They will never do because it destroys their current business is the innovators dilemma, they currently have an advertising play. That's all they're focused on, they will never support value for value

in and that is, and that leads into my second clip, which is not a question but just I just felt, actually I felt bad for for Chris, because I know he's a technology guy. And I kind of feel bad for us. Because when we when you ask about some of the some of the basic tags that we've been that we've had implemented for, you know, two years now, they really can't do them. It's 40 seconds. So I'll just play this,

I mentioned the transcript tag being difficult to implement in RSS feeds. Another example is chapters where we do support 83 V two chapters with dynamic audio. But it would be impossible for us to implement that at the feed level, because we don't have any idea at the time that the feed is generated, where those timestamps are going to be. Right. So I think that input can come later. From my perspective. I don't know if that answers your question. But we're

So I'm bummed out about that, you know, so because here's advertising, screwing everything up. And it's literally because of the dynamically inserted ads that they and their system, I guess, that they can't do this is a bummer.

Well, I mean, they should talk to Buzzsprout. Really, because Buzzsprout have managed to do dynamic ad insertion and also get chapter Yeah, working? Yeah. It's technically possible. They just aren't doing it. And I don't know why they're not doing well.

I think I understand why, as I think I understand why it's because the most of Buzzsprout did it in house. Yeah, they did it in house they had they get to design it the way they exactly the way that it needed to be in order for everything to work correctly. All their all their dynamic ad insertion happens on their own system. And then but most of these other hosting companies that are doing Dai, they

So I mean, a cos big enough to do it in house say,

Oh, they're totally they're totally and but here's here's where the here's where the rubber meets the road, though I think it's not, it's not that they can't work with or third party is that I think the DI the cost of di the margin is so thin on it. They don't want they want to spend as little time as they want this thing built and done so that they don't ever have to see it again. The more time they spend tweaking this and making it work better. They lose money.

Yeah, I agree. And also, I learned on that same episode of which was this week's episode of pod news weekly review. I learned YouTube podcast is a flop Well, duh. But I also learned that programmatic ads are basically inferior to host read ads, and there's no money is sucks. There's no margin and everyone's moving away from it

completely. Look, we all three and everyone else who's listening know that this is just a time sink between programmatic ads and advertising just being removed. I often say, you know, if you had Dark Side of the Moon, you wouldn't suddenly have an ad halfway through Pink Floyd.

It would be very funny. To go more flipping out over that. Yeah, exactly. And while you're a fan of the I'm sorry, Dave, go ahead.

No, I was just gonna say that. I think the way that you phrase that is right. I think this is like a, we're in a strange Limbo zone. I think what ultimately happens is Alvin Brooks sent me an email this this week, and he said, Hey, I just wanted to draw your attention to this boost we got. And so I went and listened to that clip on the bus cast. And it was this podcaster had written into them and said,

hey, you know, amazing, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah. She said,

I just wish my biggest regret is I wish I had done subscriptions earlier, so that I could start getting money, value for value thing going earlier with my audience so that I was not so dependent on advertising. And I think that that's that's really what ultimately this comes down to is where we're going. This is an interim period, where advertising still sort of, you know, still pays the bills for

did you? Since you brought it up, we put the the adjustment to value for VAT, the value block width equals auto for for the periodic payments. Have we put that in yet?

Yep. So I made three I made three tweaks to the to the to V Spec this past week, two weeks of lost track of time says we missed a show. Yeah. Yeah. So there's now an auto. So yes, Stream Boost in auto. And I want to clarify on the auto says this, this is applicable to pod fans, all this stuff is going to clarify on the auto, you know, so take a take an app like pod fans, it's well, it's it's a progressive, it's a progressive web app rights and yep, correct. Okay, yeah. So so you're gonna

Yeah, so it's like everything we do, it might might not work.

It might. It's, it's maybe not that squishy. But it's more like, you know how with the streaming thing, if you get in the elevator and you lose connection, the app will just stack the payments up, right? And the next time that it gets a connection, that's that's this sort of thing. Does that make sense?

Yeah. And so thank you. Has everyone implemented it yet?

Can I can I change that slightly we have. So we've done it slightly differently. So you know, I've sent you emails in the background, and we value every show in every episode, with a default 100 SATs per minute streaming until the host claims it when they claim it they can change that value, but let's assume they haven't claimed it so we create virtual

I love this stuff. I think that you know, all of that is good. But you're you're doing a whole you're got you've gone way beyond what anyone's ever maybe should backup and explain what you're doing. Because you have a totally different model using the same elements.

Yeah, so we've taken what you guys have given us, which has value for value. And we've said, Look, we fully support that. So we've got three levels. So we said, look, every show that we ingest into our curated database has to have a default value. And that default value is 100 minutes set by me. And I can change that if I want you and Dave could claim podcasting index to Dotto, and you could go in and you can set your own value for whatever you want. That's great. And you set

Okay, so that's yeah, that is a different take. So you instead of saying I'm gonna support, that's an EP, that's like a call. That's like an Yeah, and like an output based based payment where you're saying, I'm going to support you. But I'm only going to support you when you give me

So. So where are you at now? Exactly. With pod fans, because you've you've announced pod fans a lot of times. Yep. And I tried to claim Well, I had I tried to log in and something went wrong. You said no, no, we're resetting that. So just tell me where you're at, because I kind of want to play around with it.

So what we've we did this week was we've put a complete onboarding gamification help system. So we realize that what we've developed is something quite complex to the average user. So you land on it, and it's like, shit, where do I go? How do I get to whatever I want to do? So what we've done is because we've got a gamification in the system anyway, every screen you land on, so you, like login, claim

We're way, way too busy. Yeah. We have much bigger meetings going on.

But to answer your question that and directly Yeah, we are ready as of Monday to go live. We are fully baked. So we added ice to coffee to cool future features this week that you might love. One is CO listening. And this is, again with live is going to be brilliant. So what happens is, I might if when Adam and Dave join, I might look at Adams profile, it says he's listening to the podcast in Tudor Osho. I click on a button right next to what it says he's listened to.

Yeah, party listening. Sure.

And then on the episode page, it then shows my avatar appear next to your avatar. So you then suddenly see that I've just joined with you. And we're listening at the same point. And then we could start boosting together we start commenting, we have a threaded conversation, whatever we want to do. I think that's illegal in

America boosting, I think

only in Utah, some

laws against that. So that was one of the things we added this week. And then the other one was on the homepage. We've now we had default carousel. So in your mind, if you think of Netflix and these carousels of podcasts or films Netflix case, they were all static in the sense that we would only we would pre program what you were looking at in a carousel so it might be recently added new. Then the five top

And what is the URL Sam for everybody?

Pod fans.fm

Die expensive. swanky. We can't We can't afford the dot FM's man, those things are expensive. What a racket that guy's got going on. Some dude who's in the radio business, he was really smart. And it's like, it's really it's literally like a couple 100 bucks a year, I think, isn't it?

That much. It's like 100

bucks. And you remember when we had a long conversation last year

about doing this? Yeah, about doing this

dot pod fat podcast,

where we talked about about doing that. And then it turns out, you know, you got to have several million dollars to show that you're serious. And you got to be up to set all this stuff up like and Exactly. And you know, do we really want to make that our business? Success? It sounds boring.

So the let me throw this. I'm trying to find stuff that you have not because you're you're basically you're the you're this, you're the Steven B of A pod fans, because you're as soon as we

wait, wait, wait, listen to this. Dave, stop. What I'm looking at the homepage. were quoted on this thing.

Yeah, you Oh, good. Well, I've

heard Dave Jones the pod sage podcast index ready. Want to hear what you said. Now I want to I don't remember what I said. I was blown away when I away. I was blown away when I saw the pod fans for the pod fans for the first time. It literally had every feature we've been working on for two years wrapped up into a beautiful, beautifully done UI. I can't wait to see it hit the market. Nice to say that. All

We sound good I want you to do

really good on this. All right.

It's like I have a copy editors.

Can I say it didn't go through chat GBT that was

but oh man. Did you guys hear? Do you hear new media show that on Wednesday? Or Thursday?

I haven't had that doing an AI test out like

I just want to. So Todd, I love Todd Cochran for this. He's like, somehow we I'm gonna get chat GPT two word for

not a knowledge model.

Exactly. He you know, we have a human being doing this with great pleasure. We pay him 5% of all he has a split for five bucks. I have all my podcasts. And that's a beautiful system. People are trying to shoehorn Chad GPT into everything and it's so inappropriate.

And just wait for the whole thing and wait for this whole large language model thing to just fall apart and go away even saying

large language model.

That's all because that's all it is. That's what it is Google barf. That's all it is. It's just it's just a language model it like it doesn't people are trying to use it for for things that is it only understands. I hate even using the term understands. I say, thank you. It's only capable of manipulating language. That's what it's created for it. We I think I don't blame people because we as humans want to anthropomorphize everything. I just did it. I

didn't mean i Yes, I didn't mean to spin you up. I'm sorry, Sam, what is the claim? You're off? I want to claim it.

So interesting conversation.

Can I revise my quote,

works today. So you go in the claim, you click it, and it will look at your email in the RSS, and it will then do a conversation with you based on email. So verifying your email. And of course, we now know, of course, we podcast TX, T, everyone's taking out their emails for Tom Rossi. And I've been working on an O auth. solution. We tested it last

Okay, so that is that have been submitted to and don't think I've seen that in the discussions.

Yeah, now it's in there. So Tom submitted the idea originally. And then Tom and I jumped on a call. We worked through the back and forth with it. And then my developer is now going to send the token over. So yeah, there's a couple of minor things we're still doing. But next week,

so can I claim on my podcast?

Yeah, you can now because if you are, if your email still in your RSS, I could look but you know, if you're still in there, you can do this. Yeah. And then I'll go into this like

fans.fm/scissor So

my, my, my email address has already been taken.

Well, is that oh, that's because you've been in there before? Right? Yeah, we had temporary accounts. Yeah, but

you can now put Forgot My Password and we'll we'll fix that. Okay.

I don't want to say what it's doing. User not found, or I'm not found. I'm lost. Don't worry about it, Sam. Don't worry about it. We'll do it. We'll do it live. Hey, I see that you have But I think I know the answers. But you I see you have zaps here as well. So you this is a noster thing that you've put here. How does that work?

So, initially, we basically said that zap is a like we said, it's like 10 SATs. It's just a very simple, lightweight example. We have booths, we have zaps. Let's just support it. And now what we've done with OB we all be enabled the N pub automatically within the OB API. So now when everyone's profile, we're pulling your M Pub across. And so next step for us is then we can send the ZAP stays within the system currently now so if I like your show, or zap your

that does that go back out? To the to the nostril? Rila? Is that a nostril? Is that just internal?

That's internal only now

adheres to the value block?

Yes.

Slide definitely you so I'd say our, our podcast, Dave is worth 12,000 SATs.

The US for this?

That's a to two pounds 80.

That's disappointing. Well, we're worth at least a fiver I thought

I thought we were five quid will be proper weight for us. Wow.

So this, this may, I don't know if you saw this, Sam is did this other addition to the to V, which is the signature field. Now it didn't say that. Okay, so the signature field in this may help you with your noster stuff is if you have a seat, so they're inside the TLV record, when the with each payment is a sender underscore ID field. And that thing has always just been whatever you it's freeform text, it doesn't, it doesn't adhere to anything, it can just be made up. I mean,

Because that's the challenge. We haven't looked at it. But we were looking at the fact that how do you make a right to a Nasri Lake without the private key. But if you've got a signature where we can hold that, or it can be a dynamically inserted and that that fix.

This is really this is really built like it's beautiful, 2.0 Playground kind of the way I see it. I'm seeing a lot of cool things for what I can see without logging in. I like the iPad, like the little it shows me plays, how many booths how many clips have been made? It really got me Did you just implement every single tag?

We have? Yeah, as much as we could.

This is so cool. The end, you got the trailer, which we don't have pod roll, which you don't have yet

negative sites as well. So if you look at the trailer, Adam, it'll say you earn from listening to a trailer, we believe that your time and attention adds value. And so you should be paid to listen to a trailer rather than

power. How are you going to make money off of this? Are you getting a percentage of every every stream? Is that how it works? Yeah,

yeah, we say we take a 10% fee. And then we are then one cents going back to the podcast in depth. Thank you. And then there are other one percents going to other hosting companies that we've done deal to it. Yeah.

Oh, you've done deals with hosting companies do tell.

So the the goal for us is that, let's say rss.com, which supports the value for value tag, okay? They've got customers already. Now, they might recommend pod vans as an app within their CO marketing. And if a customer then joins from rss.com We can track it. And we can then give them a 1% split of any of the value that that customer has generated.

Oh man, I love you for that, Sam that is that makes so much sense. This is exactly how I think Dave and I always envisioned the ecosystem. You know, for everybody, everybody participate paid in the value sounds like so much sense. I like it. I like your logo to thank. Yeah, logos are hard.

Yeah.

You'll see, again, things that are in the pipeline. So we already have, we already have music within the platform. We already have video support within the platform. And I've just done a deal with Penguin Books to add books to the plot.

You crazy fucker. You Nice. Yeah. So, so coming.

Videos. Great to hear your videos. Great to hear because I know Alex is back working on the peer tube support for RSS. Actually, we

got a we got a question here. We got a couple of pre boosts before the show for you, Sam Martin Linda's kg with a row a duck, Sam. So I think it'd be possible to add video material to pod fans in the future. And what is your take on peer tube?

So peer tube is great. I don't have an issue with it. But I don't really I'm not. I'm agnostic to that. What I'm more concerned with is does it support the alternative enclosure tag? And if it does, then whatever you tell me within the end alternative enclosure tag is what I will do. Better it goes back.

And dovie das 23,000 SATs. Sam, how much longer will I have to be on the pod fans waitlist I want to boost?

I guess look, I'll say this very clearly. Oscar is brilliant. You know, the guys who are building stuff out there are brilliant the guys at cura Casa Steven, you know, everyone who's doing stuff, I could go half baked. And that's what we could have done. But David and Adam, if you're looking at it, now you'll see that we've got the help screens coming up,

build some screens and documentation is that though it's just it's just it's so necessary, but it is so mind numbing and hard work. It's just tedious work.

Is this? Just all you Sam Southie? Or do you have the Indian finance cabal behind you? Which I've taken money from the Indian finance Cabal? I love them. They're very honest with you. Very, very, like brutally honest.

But we still stuff saying Uncle G at the beginning. We're all related. But yeah, no, I haven't. I haven't. I've been very lucky. I've got a small amount of funding that we got given on a licensing deal to somebody's licensing my platform for a music version of pod vans, Pure Music version. You might know them. Adam, Davao Canfield,

the DJ? Oh, yeah, of course. Of course. Yeah. So

he's licensed the platform from us to go and create a version for pure house.

Oh, fantastic. What a great idea. Yeah. It makes sense. Because the whole thing It feels kind of like a mixer. Yeah, it was like, this is all this stuff that you can do. And there's knobs and buttons and numbers that change. It just feels fun.

Yeah. So we haven't we are in the middle of a funding round ourselves. And that funding round is really, I think I've said it before in the past is more to do with marketing, the cost of building the platform, me and my developer are basically not taking any money. We're very happy not taking any money. And we just work every day on this. Literally every day we spend. And it's been nine months of you know, pleasure and pain. But you know, it we've got here where we are?

Well, as as, as I always say to any of our developers, if there's any way I can assist in helping you fundraise, I'm happy to talk to any investors. You know, I would like to think that some of my chats I had with people helped Oscar and some other people. I did that with the with some people from I think breeze, I mean, whatever it's like, it's great if Uncle G needs to talk to somebody, like the guy that has the quote at the bottom of your page here. Happy to talk to him about it. Thank you,

you can let me ask you this, Sam, because I know fountain did this. And I think there's some other outfits that just recently did this. That I can't remember but it seems like it's kind of becoming a big thing too. Just to not necessarily go to a VC for seed money substance to do do like oh

I'd love to. I just, you know, again, it's how many spinning plates can I hold together really? And to organize that, you know, There's a whole bunch of services in the UK, for example, that do that, like Crowdcube, that you could go to and do that. Or I could go to the podcast community and try and do that. But right now, our burn rates so little, and

we bless you, bless you.

I literally have got enough money for two and a half years in the bank right now. So I really don't want to go out and do the begging bowl. Yeah, right now, there will be a time when I need to go back into the pool. And the reason we're doing it now is we're in a great position, we're not requiring money, the worst time to go and find money is when you need money, because then they actually,

as the rules of business, it's one don't run out of money, too, don't negotiate against yourself, three, when you don't want to do it, raise the price. That's all I need to know. That's your business rules right there.

So we're just going out and playing, you know, Cinderella, we're just going to fight go and see you know, how many people we want to talk to in that market, and see what they value us and see what they think of us. And it's fun. It's fun to do,

I think listening to you is helpful to a lot of developers, because a lot of many developers do because you understand you understand development and you but you've also been in just in the business, in business business for you know, for many years. So I think just just listening to the way that you're laying things out is probably helpful for a lot for a lot of small developers who just don't understand the landscape. They don't know how to do this kind

One of the first questions is I often get because I help other startups. Now, how do I value myself? You know, what's the valuation on this business, and half the times, the first crazy value that you put out the market is is a finger in the air. But the first investor who sort of agrees with your mind valuation sets the bar. And once that bar set, then

Well, since you are also in the news business, maybe we can talk about a couple things that we are you laughing at that? You are you in the news business? There? Well, actually, first, here's a question for you. Have you seen the MK Ultra chat that David's been working on that we tested out I think last week or two weeks ago? That is like Nastar chat. Dave, do we have a room for this? For this episode? Or? Yes? Run? Oh,

it's running right now.

It is all the chat room because me and Dave have spoken in the background. Dave? You sent me the link to it. Is that the Gnostic link? Is that the chat room? I

think so. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. That's what we're talking. Yeah, that's what I think that's what I sent you.

Yeah, you did you get

something that would fit within my guess if it fits running? What would that fit within the

completely? Okay.

That's right. Where's this thing? I don't see this link, Dave.

So that was I put it on up. I guess an index does social before. Let me 30 minutes before we started.

Oh, okay. It's earlier kind of kind of. Yeah.

So going back to what we said about five minutes ago, getting the M Pub automatically from the LP API was critical. Because before that, we had to rely on the user to copy and paste their M Pub across. And that was never going to happen. So once we've got it automatically, we can then again, and I'll look at this signature thing data that you've put together. But it allows us to do not only share, but also chat, and anything else we want to put to relate. But we haven't got there yet.

Let me let me throw the last piece of that button. And by the way, that that signature that it gives in the in the documentation, it gives an example of how to do it with noster. But it's agnostic to whatever the user identification system is. So you could it can be nostru, or it can be other stuff. It doesn't it doesn't matter. It's flexible. So then, but the last thing that I added this last couple of weeks is

That's cool. Now that's very cool, because in inside of pop bands, we have a threaded conversation with boosts, but we don't have an external.

Is that going to be in helipad? Dave? You're going to update?

Yes, yes, it will be it will be in helipad. So if I if I send you a boost from, yeah, what would be great is if, if, if you boost somebody boosts me from pod fans, you know, then I can receive that boost back in my Alby or whatever, you know what, wherever it came from, I can get that back. Yeah.

Nice. Cool. had a chat with the CEO of start nine this week. Matt, and Matt Hill, Matt Hall, Matt Hill, Matt. And those guys, they're serious to know that they basically are building Umbral, the way it should have been built. If that makes any sense. They're building they built an OS, not just Docker containers that communicate together. And holy crap, that thing looks good. They really want to make it so that jeans jeans mom rest, her soul would be able to set it up.

Start nine sovereign computing is what this says. Yeah.

So they, you can build one yourself, but they're, they think they're gonna they even have a purism version. You know, so complete sovereign hardware. They don't have as many apps but that's because they, you know, they have it's an OS, they really integrate these things tightly. Then he said, he's gonna send me a unit to test. Man, it looks so cool. And he was like, Hey, how do we, how do we get pod ping on here? How do we get? Can we get pieces of the index on here? How do we

tell him to send me one. I'll put it on there. I'm a shameless whore. I just want free stuff. Yeah, okay.

I will. I had to do a whole hour call with a man you don't just get the get the stuff for free. You got to do a call.

You do our call. And I get that that's the way this works.

The other thing we probably talked about briefly, Sam, have you gotten on blue sky yet?

No. And until I want to know, until I can.

Well, John Spurlock is creaming over this thing. I mean, he can't stop boosting about it. Like all blue sky. Oh, blue skies, so great. And and I have to say this an exodus from Mastodon mainly. But we call this journalist because they have quote, tweet, oh, I can quote tweet now I matter. And but what? What's lost in all of the noise is, is kind of noster done professional. I mean, David, you looked at it, right?

Yeah, it's no, the protocol is solid. I mean, it's, it's, it's it's beautiful. The protocol for feta. I've got this, I got this idea that hit me over the last couple of weeks. It seems like, and I don't know if this is already a thing, that by the time a thing is perfected. That's about the time that it's already hit. It's the apex, and it's on the wane. So this is what this feels like. It feels like we've we reached

Exciting. So how you can say it's federated, but the whole thing is not federated. So

why not? Yeah. It's supposed to be right.

It feels like as hard as it is. And as, as expensive as it is to run a nostre relay, which is not cheap. The blue sky is gonna be even worse. I don't see people running relays for that, or servers or No,

I mean, I see organizations running this. I can see the New York Times running, you know, their, their own server for their journalists. It really felt like a journalist thing. In fact, you and I were talking about this, like, have we hit peak social media? Yeah, everyone just sick of this crap at this point?

Pretty much, I think. I mean, I hardly do it now. Because I mean, it's a broadcast medium. There's no social. That is a one way communication. 90% Yeah.

Yeah, I think it's totally peak. Peak social media. Like my first response to Blue Sky was I mean, because I don't, I've already got seriously I've got I've got texting, Telegram teams, podcast into you know, Mastodon emails to check. We

should probably tell everybody what we did. We made a pact

Oh yes we got a man will be here Monday

minus coming tracking one minus is that the ninth is that Monday eighth we we bought light phones together when

we did when we finally got it to accept a credit card is not you know doesn't make you feel good about your purchase? No,

I think we might have ordered eight I'm not sure just because it wasn't going through try it again. Try it again. Try it again.

It also but it Do you know the light phone? Sam? No, no, no ideally, it's the light phone.com It's like an E Ink screen telephone with like hardly anything. There's no social media is basically just texting what

has a text with a QWERTY keyboard on the on the E Ink screen you can call we have a calendar, you have an alarm and you have podcast client, which is cool. And directions that says directions I don't know exactly what that means but has directions and that's it. Note no images. You can do group tags but you won't get images and as a hotspot which of course means you're going to have a another device if you need to do something else. I'm kind of excited about it.

Me too. My My plan is to the iPhone is going to live on the bedside table and never move. Well, I'll use it for a toilet scroller and

a toilet scroller. Yeah, nice show title. scroller. Nice.

Yeah. I'll use it for a toilet scroller and like I'm getting alerts from you know from the day job when the server's

Dave you've got to get a toilet holder then for a holder for the

holster on the wall doing exactly. Suction pad that's a phone nobody will ever touch that's yes. But then But then I never the goal is never leave the house with the with that device only leave the house with the light phone.

Yeah, I'm gonna do that. I like it. You know, I like the idea a lot because all the stuff I'm doing like i Why am I even doing this? Why am I doing this right now?

This sounds like a Kindle with a phone.

Yes. Yes. Sounds like yeah, look in a podcast player.

Yeah, well the pocket Although who knows. You know, just imagine the value block going through that thing though. phones can melt.

Pod fans on the light phone. II E an E Ink pod fans. Mostafa would lose his mind.

Now. He would. And I think it's I think this is what we should give kids you get your kids you get a light phone. You got kids, right? You got one. You got one kid fan. Sam, do your tooth. So you give your kid a light phone, a laptop laptop and the kid has installed Linux Mint on it themselves. You give them an umbrella. Or you set up an ombre you set up the umbrella with the kid a you give them a ham radio to meter a handheld

lots of parts.

Oh, please. Oh, please. Oh, please. You know,

I hear you, Texas.

I gotta say Sam. I love you, Sam. It stopped tweeting about American politics. All right. We don't we don't bitch about your stupid King and your coronation.

Please do because I can't stand

I can't believe I can't believe that you stood the 2023 and you're all gonna watch this guy in a golden carriage go down the

nails tomorrow. Anything but watching the bloody car. Oh,

my goodness. I met I met the Queen. You know, before she died. I went to Buckingham Palace. It was that was I was pretty cool. Actually.

Have you got a gong? Have you got a little MBE? Or oh, no,

no, no, no, no, no, nothing like that. But I do get to you know, shake her hand. And, and I say I'm going to look in her eyes. And you know what I saw? Nothing. Nothing. Complete dark emptiness. It was it was a little scary.

Well, this, this is the sort of sort of the serious part though is I figured if my if my daughter who's 13 I'm like, Okay, if I want her to not be addicted to social media and have like mental health problems for real from all this from all this garbage. Like, I got to live there, right? I mean, I got to put my money where my mouth is. And so I've got to I got to do it myself. If I can't just be like, I can't just be scrolling on the couch all night long and then be like, you can't have a

or you can go to make this happen or go take a dump and you can use the toilet scroller, but that's an

option so that's it for me it's how I'm on the phone

Shall we thank a few people because we have a lot we I'm sure we have a lot from two weeks worth I would hope but let me thank some of the people who have been sending us booster grams throughout the show it's about the whole this whole kitten caboodle is value for value was actually it was actually fun. I was talking to a company from the UK today. I forget what the name of the company was, but they were considering becoming a client of voltage. And Graham said hey,

Yes. Because the fit because the fees are

the fees. Yeah, I saw that the the difficulty level is going to go minus 11.

Killer Almighty this ordinals thing has to stop. Do you see somebody introduced a bug and ordinals? No, no, no, it's all it's all asked.

But what we really love is for you to ditch the legacy app and grab a brand new one at podcast apps.com and fill it up with some SATs. Almost everybody know how to wait for you to convert your your Fiat into Bitcoin and get it into lightning and we have Stephen B with 1138 1138 Izabel boost. I need to talk to the Start nine guys. They need sovereign feeds on their sovereign computing. Yes, I mentioned them

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Dow there's tons of we're creating a whole economy we don't need anybody. See dubs for 20 sites with a test test Toke? Thank you received another Mr. Robot with 9999 nine or nine or nine or nine or what's your thought on using hashtags on before the show notes? In my opinion, they are not needed take up space. Oscar from fountain had said they aren't searchable items yet. Hmm. I'm not quite sure what this is about hashtags on leave for the show notes.

Well, I disagree with that because I we would want you to be able to put any hashtag in and then use our search engine to discovery so yeah,

I'm not sure APR. A lot. I'm not sure what he means about taking up space though. Is this maybe in the TLV record or something? I'm not sure what this

I don't know. What is the show notes word that's

yeah, that's just also please tell people stop using chat GPT For show notes.

Yes. Okay. Stop using jet GPT for sure. Yeah, I

agree with that. Harv had 10101 Thank you hard hat and 10101 from our Davis at seven in the boardroom gentlemen a binary boost for running with scissors and trolling. There you go. Scream listeners go podcasting. Thank you sir. blooper of noses 2000 SATs running with scissors indeed. Jad F 3333 Eric p p with 33,333 He says boasts a hard hat with a short row of ducks and there's for a dude person. The dude person with a teeth boost which is 73374 which is yeah like that

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cotton gin 3333 in the boardroom he says 5150 from tone wrecker, sling and SATs from curio caster after upgraded integration with Albie looks to be okay. Great Transition. Congratulations, the 20 to 20 from ICM that we read earlier, cost peatland. Alright, that's a sorry, I missed that one. Steven B 1818. Oh here Steven B was testing I got a whole a whole bunch of times. He had production boost his real SATs like a real man Is this thing working is like all these all

did we see You okay, so we'll do we'll do monthlies we is this was a this was a Pay Pal for the extravaganza here. Oh, this Yes. Interesting. Clearly, we need to do a show every other week. Go because when we miss a show, everybody everybody goes nuts. And since we were going

nuts we we were like I don't Well, I my mouth hurt and I couldn't do much but we were both like you wanted to go or you really wanted to teach us like No, no, no, no, no. and my face was really swollen Tiger really

pulled the pulled the kid kids school function on you.

Was that a lie? We did you just do that? Oh, it wasn't.

It wasn't a lie. But it was a little it wasn't as critical as I made it sound

like I got a thing. I got a thing for school with my kid. I'm like, okay, family first. I knew you were you were like I knew you were recording you. Thank you.

Buzzsprout came in with 500 Nice

20 blades on the Impala.

We appreciate that, guys.

Sam is a big fan of Buzzsprout.

He's partners with them. I see it right here on the EOD fans website.

Blueberry. Todd Mike in the gang came in with $250.20

blades on the Impala so cool,

guys, thank you so much.

Are we the only I feel like there's I feel like we've broken some sort of ground here. It feels like we're the only we got to be the only people who have managed to get Todd to donate the money. $250 To just donate

for anything for any reason.

Now for any reason ever.

Todd understands value. Todd has been part of value for value for over a decade. He's been a no agenda night for a long time. He's he understood the model very, very early on.

Thanks, Tom. I appreciate you guys. Fountain. Speaking of fountain Oscar in the boys $200.20

his blades on the Impala

the servers will live on including the Linode increase. Yes, thank you.

Which you know what, which hurt worse than I thought it was going to I did the initial math and it came out to like 12% increase in fees. But then I forgot about the backups. The backups went up to minus status. If backups really? Yeah, cuz we do a lot of we have a lot of backups that snapshots. Oh, yeah. Nightly snapshot. It kind of sucks because I was the bigger instances. They're not nearly as cheap as he used to be. But um, but we got $150 from the podcast and 2.0 consultants Sir Alex gates.

What how much

$150

stock call off 20 blades

on am Paula. Bonuses came in tax refunds. This is nice. Thank you. Thank you. I

just want to say how much I appreciate Alex Yeah, helps me on a weekly basis to work through things and it's really, it really means a lot to me because he donated 150 bucks, I should be giving him 150 bucks. So it's, uh, just really appreciate that. Thank you. Drew, Drew and McCollum PLLC for the Texas divorce talk podcast gave us $60

Oh, that's awesome. Hey, that's for our outstanding customer service.

It is customer service.

It was really nice because I do triage customer service. And she was at a duplication issue she had going on, I'm like, yeah, we'll see what we can do. And I you know, I BCC Dave and I always try to manage people's expectations. But basically, you know, I just tried to you know, they they will email if it hasn't happened or wasn't what they wanted and

Todd and rob from the new media show $50 Guys

Thank you. Thank you so much.

You're an animal. Thank you. So see if $4 a month we got a new subscription from Emilio canto Molina from this is great because we got this the first new subscription we've gotten in a long time from this stems the slow erosion of monthly subscriptions. Yeah, we

bank here. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you.

As the economic destruction slowly what rolls on? You wanna do some boost? We gotta tone record secular Richards nice as another fine audio stroll ideas galore.

Thank you.

Boost. Clark in a friend of mine. To 25,001 SATs he says boop boop beep beep

you got it. A

mere mortals podcast car and I'm gonna I'm gonna be on his show tomorrow. We're recording. Oh, cool.

That'd be you've been on the show. Haven't you ever been on before?

Yes. second timer. Yeah, I'm gonna have to make up a bunch of stuff about my life. That's not true to compete with Sam I

know. Man, Sam Sam. Quite the life there. You know he was a firefighter he was a paratrooper. No,

I thought you were firefighter to the wine importer,

the wine importer. He was found on the steps of the church I mean this whole call he has quite a quite a history.

Trey Karen's gonna be like you you were fewer found on the on the now in a bag in a wicker basket. And I'll yeah, that was nice. For us.

Nothing, nothing, nothing quite like the isobar Oh, nice. WordPress. I'd love that thing.

2222 from Kira, and he says decentralization tends to get mixed with self sovereignty. I have five or six separate wallets, and none of them are self hosted. I feel that it is significantly more decentralized than a single point of incompetent failure, aka myself. No, that is a good point, though. If it would be better for you to have an lb

I gotta tell you, my my umbrella has been acting. I don't know what the problem is that the Raspberry Pi's they just don't do well with power management and your your external hard drives. It gets wonky real quick. And then And then if you're running something like Oh, I don't know, a noster client snort on your Umbral. Yeah, I had to uninstall that. It just drives the it spikes the CPU spikes the CPU to

Yeah, now try run blues go on there. I don't think so. I don't think so. See Brooklyn 112 4321 from curio caster, and he says go podcasting?

Yeah, thank you.

Hope Bhoomi Boomi since 2100 says he says demoing value for value. He did that last time so he's on. He's on a tear

demo away man. We're great for demoing

frozen frozen years since his 10,000 SATs hearing Adam doing a top 10 countdown style music podcast as a DJ would be amazing.

Thank you. Well, it's gonna happen man. It looks like if we'll see what blows up this week. Or blows up

I'm gonna be positive I think what if it just works I think it's gonna work or

if it just works right off the bat by the way. We just had a 100,000 sat come in if you don't mind who's

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sir TJ the wrathful Adam and Dave as a musician in podcasting. 2.0 It's been heavy on my mind. I thought of starting to podcast word episode was a song a season would be an album value for value. However, I just keep wishing there was a music tab in my podcasting 2.0 app. It'd be more organic and real for artists and listeners and Spotify. I'd rather do music V for V than played a Spotify streaming game which I say everything's a scam. Thank you for your courage. But looks like

Now, it's not that I've got I've got to get a product out the market. I know.

You're telling me what you're saying is we need to stop doing stuff so you can actually

stop slow down slow down

the video send us 770 1551 says through fountain and he says thank you just contributing a finish boob job for you is 71 Oh is 70 155 One's a finished boob for you. Boost boost. Turns out boobs are a tad more pricey around here. Yeah challenge everybody to donate a boob in their own language.

Oh, so maybe that well a boo would be 808 I don't know. We'll take it thank you.

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Jean been 8649 through cast thematic he says I like the idea of tags following the Unix philosophy of doing one thing and doing it well. By the way, the boost amount is the t nine version of the word Unix.

Ooh t nine. By the way, we just t nine.

What is t nine?

This isn't me isn't t nine. The t nine is the it's not the predictive text.

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SD Steven B rightly says in a new boost. Tell sir TJ to check out curio caster which has a music tab or Ellen beats, which is a dedicated V for V music player. I don't know what the URL is from Ellen beats. Change the MSP to Ellen beats.

I don't know what No, that's right. That's right. Yeah.

I like to know like Ellen beach.com. Or that's a good name. It's a great name. I like that a lot.

Mike, Mike Dale, Todd's partner in crime 1701 Star Trek nerd boost. He knows 1701 Right. No, that's the that's the nomenclature, the model number of the enterprise NCC 1701 This

is where Hey, okay, stop the show. First of all, ln beach.com It looks cool. Steven didn't even see that. Second. You've got to tell everybody about your selfie with William Shatner.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was a scam. That's what it was. This is a huge scam. If you ever go to a Comic Con, and you and you have the option to get your picture made with the Star Trek guys for Shatner individually. Say no. Because this is this is how it happens. This is great. By

the way. It was horrible.

So what what did you have? You can buy in advance you can buy in advance like you paid Yeah, paid via you pay for it. Dude, this guy Shatner at his booth has it's like $120 for an autographed picture. And then and that includes two words like like like Fox you in for every additional word is 30 bucks. So this

Oh man, I'm in the wrong business.

Then then the for the picture you pay in advance. You have like these different packages. You can get your picture made with just Shatner with Shatner plus the Star Trek Next Generation crew was there's all these different configuration packages. Oh, no. Yes packages. So you get in there. And then in the way it's set up is there's Shatner and the Star Trek people on on one side of a piece of plexiglass. And you on the other side, you're not even anywhere close

none of your cooties can float onto them. Yes, right.

Yeah, exactly. So you're like, everybody can everybody in the all the patient base kind of leaning as much as they can.

You can see the plexi glasses and shadows just sitting there. Like, you know, like Weekend at Bernie's, like, oh, yeah,

you go you go through and they look at you through the plexiglass and they're light and I'm just like, I don't know what Hey,

could they hear it? You need this prison phones? That would make it perfect. Yeah,

yes, exactly. No, do not pay for this people.

It's I'm sorry. I'm dying. I know you were excited. And that's very disappointing.

Yeah, it was but we get to see lots of nerds so that was fun.

Yay for nerds. Good.

Bill Prague. 5000 SATs at the fountain. He says yes, Hive does have decentralized identities and comments, ensure better keys and a better keys architecture. You can leak your key and not lose your account.

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anonymous note through cast MATIC 22 two to two big row ducks.

Thank you. Thank you duck. So mom's good.

pricy pants 10,000 SATs through fountain How about a juice cast app? I would willingly pay 50 cents an episode like the OG bucks as a truck driver, I listen all day every day and 2.0 is awesome. But I just can't boost every show but what essentially would but would easily pay 50 cents if I could queue it up. That's a great idea for an app. There's

this Elon beats looks nice by the way.

It's not just rebranded MSP.

Yeah, but it looks nice. Okay. Cool logo was I don't know he did something different.

That is a good logo looks nice. Looks real nice. That is a good idea for an app though. We Bouchard a random song. I mean, get to pick a song. Yeah, that'd

be great. lined it up.

You bet. Comic Strip blogger. 15. Oh, 33. Now this is his reduced boost from last week evidently. Because we didn't have a show but he still boosted us.

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is ln pay now? Like addition, decommission legacy

forever. I guess we're just gonna have to we're just gonna have to monitor and see how long it takes for everyone to buy

it off. Yeah, okay.

Boom is 2100 now I guess he's doing another demo. A huddle rodeos. And as for 20 says, it says on wave lake a feed is created for each album, which can have additional tracks published to it after initiating it a feed is not created until an album with at least one tracks published here is tracks from debasement by debased ghost Okay, so he's linking to that.

Okay, I think I think I saw that on LM beats what what's it called? What's the name of the what was that debasement

was the bet yeah, they just deleted debase. I'm sorry, I don't know how to get it back. What's the I don't have to get back? I'm in Thunderbird. Why? Why on earth? It because I know why. Because it's the only one that reliably shows me emojis

and doing boosts redoing all of Thunderbird. I heard about that. Yeah. And also and with that, the what would I use canine for for my graphing OS that will that will also be completely upgraded and fixed.

You know, he's much on graphing.

I still fire up might you know I need because we're crazy. might have some great sorting capabilities is a lot of reasons to use mud.

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I am. I am.

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Oh, nice. Thanks, Adam. And Dave, I mean, look, you know, none of this would be possible without YouTube. And I so thank you very much.

We've sprouted so many businesses and careers. We're so proud.

Right, Dave? Having watching your children grow out and

children?

Well, go ahead.

No, I've got I've got too many kids already. I don't need more.

And they never get off the payroll for some reason. You know, that's interesting, because I we rarely think of it that way. But I think from time to time, maybe once every six months, we'll be like, Wow, this is kind of cool. This thing we started when I would text message. Hey, this is kind of cool. What's happening here? Who would have thunk?

I think it hits me when we don't get the chance to do a show. Like what like last Friday when it's like, I just want to just get the edge like I'm not sure I'm not. I just want to do it because there's so much going on there. So I mean, like, I've got a whole page of stuff that we didn't even get to

tell me what. So I can put it in my in my brain. For next

chat. The chat tag. We made some changes to it. The we put some attributes on it. Alex's peer tube. Oh, yeah,

it was all that yeah, pod. Pod roll,

get some things we need to read. We need to talk about that. And we need to talk about remote item. I had a whole thing I was going to try. I was going to try to convince sand to embrace remote item with both hands. You want to try that before

we leave you want you want to hold on to it. You want to hold on to that.

I will I will hold on to because I know you get a heart out.

Yes, I do. I have my post op post op post. I've gotta go Yeah, I do. I Yeah. Okay.

And with Pedro, can I just say can we keep it simple, it works.

It I think we can keep it simple. With Remote item. I promise you it will not be Oh will not make it any more complicated.

What you're gonna put yourself in my remote items is going to be a part of pod roll.

That I think it needs to be because actually this is the thing Remote item and I just said I was going to do it I'm doing it remote item is is is got to be the official way to reference an external piece of content. It just has to be big it had there has to be a structure because here, let me boil down remote item into into his most simple basic form remote item with one attribute that is feed that is feed good.

I pay you money just to never say that thing again. Like crushing you last? No, no, you I, I'm I'm like jazz, whatever. Dave says, My brain hurts my brain hurt from that.

To be fair, if you look at the current pod, bro, you got rally calls, channel rally cars, Episode, rally calls, whatever, replace rally calls with remote item price, fundamentally, you're doing the same thing. So I get it. It's not that difficult to implement. It's a case of, again, if everyone agrees on on what we're going to do then then then the app developers like, you know, we can get on with it. But I think

I will trade you I will trade you. REL equals for remote item.

That's what I'm saying though. It's very easy to do. This is old tell me that's the standard then we'll do it. Sweet.

We have an agreement

now and we have an agreement and then I'm gonna post it on the discussion thing and Kevin Kevin from Buzzsprout is gonna be like no

I'm gonna back you. I'm backing you Dave. I'm backing you.

I'm building my team. That's right.

Yes. Right. We got Dave's army right here. We're back in the pod sage all the way pod sage all the way Hey, hey ho ho pod shades are the way to go.

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