Episode 130: For All The Drummers

Oh, podcasting 2.0 For April 21 2023, episode 130

We get the show is going down. It's going downhill.

Why were plummeting? What do you mean? We're plummeting? Oh, we're plummeting in the in the fountain chart?

No, we're in the OP threes. Have you seen our op three page? It looks like a stuck look at the stock market. This is down down down down?

To be honest. I never look at the OP three pages. I don't have to that's not how value for value works. I don't care. Can I pay the rent is the question I ask every month. That's pretty much it. And if I can't, then then we have a problem.

Well, based on the donations today, we can't pay the rent.

You know, it has been tough across the board. It's of course it's tax season. Although people should be starting to get refunds pretty soon. And we certainly encourage you to give your refund to the project.

It's like one of those sleazy businesses or like we'll give you an advance on you

know, you don't yet know I mean, you know what we John and I have successfully asked people to consider their their their tax return as a bonus, and share some of that with the show was value for value and people have done it consistently. It works really well. Not sleazy, you're talking about

you know, those like, we'll give you a will advance your tax refund. And we'll just keep you know, well. Don't worry. We'll only keep like 15%

Yes, I know those all too well. And here we go. And people heard your call and once and we're we're racing. It's the lid stuff that works and we are indeed lit that's something you get with the with a with a funky, fresh new podcast app. Let's see we have podcast attic, podcast, Guru, pod verse, curio caster two of those at minimum with value for

That's crazy talk, there's no way they would? They would they will do value for value before they let you export your feeds and OPML.

Did I read that? Spotify has capitulated.

Yeah, I think they're capitulating across the board. You hear they were talking about them being? I saw James's coverage of this and they were like, We're open.

Yeah, exactly. We know that they've applied instead of saying, hey, you know what, we really couldn't make the money we expected to offer the exclusives. Instead, they say we've we've applied a windowing strategy,

like the windowing strategy.

Now a windowing strategy does it traditionally comes from I believe, originally from motion pictures, where you're first in the theater, then then you're on to like pay movie channels back in the day, maybe HBO or Cinemax or Showtime. And or maybe even pay per view first, I think you could do on demand, and then it was one of the one of the subscription services, then it would be you know, chopped up into a movie of the week. And then it would be in syndication.

Unless you the Blu Ray Blu Ray was saying is the same way. Yeah, yeah. It's like It's like region encoded or whatever I mean, which is, which is so stupid because you can buy a region free player. Yeah, the whole thing is just dumb. And you only

allowed to switch regions three times and then you brick your device. I remember those days.

These the streaming services though, in general are just sucking wind. Like music streaming and movie streaming.

Everybody's losing money. Everybody's losing money. The Paramount plot lost $3 billion. Oh, just start up. They own the content.

My favorite, my favorite, it's so bad. It's so bad. Now. That so if you if you only have a subscription to HBO Max. Let's just Let's just do this. You know, hypothetical sanity check. If you have a subscription to HBO Max. Yeah. The one thing you would expect to be on HBO Max and available at all times? Is the content that HBO max that HBO themselves created? That's your own show. Yeah, that would seem logical.

pathetic is that money? Yeah, I know. Oh, hold on.

Yeah. Oh, nice.

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we'd love Yes, Nathan, the MK Ultra chat is running this week I posted.

So how do I get into MK Ultra chat? Is that? Did you post that somewhere?

Almost just pasted in and hit Enter on my private key. That was no no, no.

Although fun, although

I would have been a ball. So how

do people get into that? I mean, how did Nathan get it? How did you even know about it?

You put the link in the chat? Oh, I didn't see that. Okay. Yeah, it's better now. It's better. Still got it's still rough around the edges. But it's, but it's better.

It remembers me. That's cool. Okay.

How'd you get an A? Oh,

yeah. Remember me right away? Oh, give permission authorized forever. Okay.

Oh, you're so this was what was wrong with it last week is the son the signing from the extensions. From the extension, the nostre extensions was not working. So that was throwing everything off, that I had to go deep dive into that turns out that the nostre tools JavaScript library, which underpins the nos 2x, browser extension for noster. Those are two different versions. Well, this

is Oh, it's not working for me. Actually, interestingly enough. Let's see, what's it doing? Well, I see my little icon there. So I'm, I'm in the boardroom. I type something like Hello. And I click on enter and it doesn't show up.

That you logged in. Well, I

didn't have to log in. It just showed up. My picture. Was there. Do I have to log in again,

do no do a hard refresh on your browser do like a control shift are hard because you may you may have the old JavaScript code from previous iteration.

Okay, let's see. I don't like

the old JavaScript browser extension talk.

No, it's not working man.

Why did you? What a downer? Well, I'm looking for me.

Okay, I'm gonna do another hard refresh. Our refresh. The men's socks is broken. Are you

already logged in? Yes. How do I log in, log out and log back in? How do I let you log out by clicking on your little avatar at the top? Let's

log out. Okay, bye. Okay, I go back to the rosters announced this chat to your noster feed. Sure. I'll be fun. Okay.

Just Adam curry just entered the room. Yes. Hey, Oh, okay. Well, hey. All right. There

we go. All right. Hey, it works nice. So let's talk about that right away. What what are we doing with this thing? This is cool. I think.

Well, it's funny in a funny way, this encompasses a lot of stuff that we kind of need to talk about. Okay. Um,

oh, um, hold on one sec. I'm just looking at okay. I'm just looking at my my nostro account and it says I joined the live stream chat. Yeah, that's right. Oh, so now people from the snap store can come in nostril from nostril? Yeah. Oh, that's kind of cool.

Yeah, nice. If you have a nostril account, identity already. You bring it you can bring it to the MK Ultra chat and just log straight in. And then if you if you go up there to your next to your profile next to your profile picture at the top and uncheck that box. Yeah. Then you whenever you post something, it will not only go into the chat, it will also get posted back out to your nostril relays. So it's a two way street. It comes in and out.

This is pretty dynamite. Dave. I like it. Yeah. Okay. Okay, now, this is MK Ultra. So Supposedly, this would also work with IRC when there's a bridge built to it. And then what I type in here would also go back to IRC and what comes from IRC would also come in here.

And, and activity pub. Wow, all of all of the above. So the way you launch this thing is with Oh, James is listening live that's rare for him. So there's, the way this thing sort of works is when you launch the the WebSocket. back end for this, you give it a unique identifier, which becomes that Cid equals up in the URL bar. Yeah. And then you also give it a a private Oh, excuse me a public key. So this, this would all like you, you can see the linkages that would happen

is that what is called Bitcoin Bible study? No, that's just what I call it. The Bitcoin meter because you know, there is a Thank God it's Bitcoin going on in Miami. They keep asking me to come to Christian Bitcoin. Yeah, yeah, no, seriously is. Yeah, it's the it's the guy who wrote the two guys who wrote the book, thank God for Bitcoin and they have a conference and pastors calm and all kinds of people come there. I mean, if it wasn't Miami, I would you know, I would consider it

Yeah, I mean, like we've already spent way too much time in Miami for your entire life. Thank

you. Excellent point. All right. So the Bitcoin Bible study and let me guess there was a couple of gnostic dudes there.

There was there was a really big nostre dude, their guy named Randy from the Bitcoin what's it called the Bitcoin?

Park Bitcoin barking? Market? National. Sure, sure. Sure. Yeah. Which is the old Florida Georgia Line studios.

Is that what that okay, they converted it well, no, those

those guys broke up the band but basically imploded. And they just had opened these really cool studio, so they had to do something with it. So I think it became Bitcoin. Bitcoin Park.

Well, the super nice dude. And he's like, he's like Mr. noster. He's all over it. Mr. noster. Jones brand ambassador.

Yeah.

So we were you know, I got it was great, though. I got to chat with him and like, pepper him with all the questions because I'm knee deep in this code. And I found out some I found out some some things. Okay. So my question right off the bat was, if I, I'm having, you know, have you have difficulty finding identities? Yes.

Because because they don't post the relays don't crossover. Right.

He said, That noster dot wine. Do you know that? Really? No. Okay, it's nostrud dot wine, like the drink Wi Fi. He said that relay cross posts, amongst other relays. Oh, cool. Yeah, that's basically it looks for and it looks for users that come in, and it finds new user identities and reel in and reposts those metadata events to all the other relies it knows about. So it's sort of like it's, it's, we call it spreading the, the identities around the network as best it can. This is

no, of course, and, and it's bound to fail because unlike what we did, there's no you know, there's there's no incentive model. It's just not built got into it. Yeah, you can say, oh people, would you please zap me. But there's not really an incentive model.

Yeah. And so that's. So that was kind of my first learnings. That was this. This thing is kind of what we thought it was. It's it's got, it's got weak points, for sure. And they're being shored up by sort of kind citizens and instant and single points of failure.

And single points of failure. If anyone else was Noster, hips, kind citizens and single points of failure.

But it was funny because this this is like I get it sort of touched with my journey with within this entire thing, because I've been struggling to figure out exactly what it is that I'm trying to accomplish with this. I mean, there's an immediate there's an immediate thing, which is obviously live chat room. For for a podcaster. That's easy to spin up and down. Right? That's, that's the obvious and that there's a bigger issue.

It's still running on the podcast index. Infrastructure.

Yes, yes. This one is because it's a test server, but this could be Dockerized in five minutes and spun up anywhere you wanted to spin it up on Umbral wherever it doesn't matter. Cool. Very, very low,

not really on an umbrella because you need to then have SSL certs and all that stuff. It's not that simple.

Yeah, well, you could Yeah. True. I mean, if you had if you have us, you could run it on a is running on a $5. Net.

Yeah, okay. Got ya got it.

Very, very low resource. So, you know, this, this, the broader thing here, that goes beyond just this immediate use case of of live chat? is where do you Central? Where do you decentralized or centralized things? And I think this is sort of a theme of what we're of what we're kind of dealing with across the board. A lot of various issues. Yes.

Yes. A lot of things being discussed on the GitHub. Yes.

So, you know, a thing can be here. So here's the, here's the first sort of like, piece that, because I was talking, I was chatting with Alex and I was like, trying to, you know, he was saying, you know, what exactly is it that you're trying to do? And I was like, you know, I know what I'm trying to do, but I don't know how to explain it to you. And I'm glad he asked me the question because otherwise I

than an activity pub server with lying around.

Yeah, sure. Mastodon Yeah. So that's the, if you think about it like that. What what Matt, what noster wants to be in this is sort of the weakness of the way that that has been talked about and sold is right out of the gate. It's always, you know, censorship resistant.

Pura Pura Vida, Pura Vida.

Yeah, right. It's not it's not answerable. I can guarantee you if China wanted to censor and get rid of all of the noster relays they could do it in two seconds. It's just not that's not that's not the way to talk about this thing. And it's also not It's not Bitcoin no noster doesn't have anything to do with Bitcoin it's a completely different thing. So it's just happens to be that a Bitcoin guy wrote in so all the Bitcoin guys it's

it's like the beef initiative is not really connected to Bitcoin just happens that Bitcoiners gravitated towards buying beef from ranchers with Bitcoin you can buy with your credit card. It's the same as the same thing it's just associated and then but they did add the zaps and that you know, which is all Lightning Network and that kind of they are. That's something that we discovered early on is when you give people a way to use their Satoshis, or the Lightning Network, they will use them.

Yes. Yep. Good point. That that's like that's the the first thing that sort of like hits you is the identities part is what drives the whole thing. That's that's sort of the key. Yes. Genius part of this. Yep. And it's not that nobody else thought has thought of distributed identities. It's just that I think that nostril made it very easily, ballistic system.

And I would add to that, that exactly what you did here. And I think this is one of the coolest things built with noster. So far, if you don't mind me saying, because what I don't mind you saying? And I'll say it a couple more times one of the coolest things ever built for Nasir. And why is it cool?

Yeah, that's a good point. So like the throwaway nature of the identities is what concerned me at the very beginning, I was like, you know, I'm very I'm worried about the these these digital identities, the encryption encrypted, I don't want you know, I don't want that it's kind of freaky. And so the fact that you can throw them away guy who

uses LastPass I mean, come on.

Well, like there's I don't know if there's this old episode of Robot Chicken, you know, Robot Chicken. No. Like the I forgot what she was on Comedy Central for a while. But there's this old Star Wars Episode of Robot Chicken where he's like, where the, the employees of the Deathstar. They're like, they're talking to the new guy. And they're saying, okay, look, if Darth Vader acts like he's choking you like with his forced choke thing? Yeah, just just go with him pretend

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You said magic words. Dave? We're not paying the rent this week. Yeah, there's a 101 a 1010. From Mike Newman. Thank you, Mike. Still here on my boostin keep on keeping on sally forth. This is the way.

Yes. Thank you, Mikey. Mike. Appreciate it. Yeah, but see me with that. So you're communicating with a single server in this instance. And that is really not that's not a bad thing. I think that's really where where this comes down to is like, where in the stack? Are we going to decentralize podcasts. Let's just take a step back. Podcasting is a very centralized thing. We don't we don't think

like eight or something is that's

yeah, and not a no and probably 70% of podcasts are served out of about three. There, there's very little. So once you get back past there and get down into the sort of like bottom 5%, then you start to get a lot of dispersion. But for the most part, podcasting is very centralized on the delivery front. And it's something we're not going to change and we don't necessarily need to change that. We really don't like that. Changing that if you want to go let's say you wanted to go fully

really don't have to worry about it too much. No. And

so I think that the the sort of, I'm thinking of it is more or less in terms of decentralization than sort of re centralization. And what I mean is like, if you it's not like oxygen, where it's just available in the air everywhere around you. That's not really what we want to go for. We want to go for more of a model of like gas stations or libraries, where if this one's closed,

you can move on to down. Here's, here's me immediately when I want from this, is, I want the IRC bridge. But that's not even the most important thing, strangely enough, I want the boost bot. So and here's a way actually, that here's a money making opportunity. These things pop into my head, I will gladly put a split into my value block in order to have a chat set up and hosted, which includes any booster grams that come into that split? How about that? Yeah,

well, that was the original idea for MK Ultra. So they didn't like it in booster grams as well. I like it. So it becomes a huge supercharged so remember, the ultimate goal also of MK Ultra is that, at the end of the chat set at the end of the show, you export the transcript of all the comments out and it becomes a super chat, a super chat dialogue that can replay along with the published episodes so that you can see in real time where the booths came in where the chat right comments

God transcript God Oh, yeah, that's a femoral. Got it. Privacy by default

is what this is. And then then you you can control it by the checkbox. But, but I think this, this also like, sort of like, step in and stop me if you want to jump in here. I'm just I'm kind of Soliloquy homeless.

And I'm just listening. I'm loving. I'm seeing people coming in from noster. Because I yeah, I announced it and I did I unclick the box for a moment found a bug too. We'll talk about that later. Okay. You know, me breaking stuff.

That's what you're valuable.

Oh, I'm valuable. Thank you.

Values.

I mean, useful wagon. Yeah, I mean, I immediately like this, I immediately am drawn to it, not just back to the centralization. This stream is centralized. There are like 25 shows that run on no agenda stream.com and run on the same IRC server, which is void zero server. It's been that way for 14 years. And it is entirely centralized. We're just using a different room. So I really dig the idea of of spawning this out. And brother I have if we're done with this, I

There there I want to talk about Daniel J. Lewis, his comments thing, but but I can probably fit it in anywhere.

Let's do that. Let's let's move from that. And I'll come in, cuz I got stuff about music, but it also is related to that. It's just been a lot going on. And what happened was, we had a meet up, and I flew to Nashville.

Yeah. How

was that go by so I flew, right. And we took my instructor and Tina she knows Tina had never been in a four seater before. Now this is a very you know, you're I rented this plane, I could not afford to buy it. This is like a $1.3 million plane has a parachute. It's like a you know, it's like a luxury sports car in the air. And now Nashville, turns out

Okay, yeah, that's bad to say, this is not a good thing. I mean, kudos that she did not bail out.

Oh, man. She is the bravest passenger I've ever seen in my life. She actually said, No, it's in God's hands. Let's go. But we had to wait for an hour. And it was a whole bunch of stuff going on. But I've never seen a crash land in my life. Neither of my instructors like one of those things. And when we're on our way for this long trip, and Tina sees as like, holy crap, can't believe that. Anyway,

man is like, what she's what she inside, like really kind of freaking out who she was she nervous?

She said this. And that doesn't make me happy, I think is what she said. She said, No, I'm good. I'm good. What are the chances of something happened again? Anyway, so the night before, we had just been to see Mercy Me in San Antonio. And I'd never really quite been to a show like that. And there was a lot going on with screens. And the audience was fantastic. These guys are all no agenda fans of them. It was a whole love fest. But it's been a while since I've

Yes, I think so. It's Yes, it's not it's an API that is just in the IDF are in the build phase at this at this point. But it's supposed to be a simple. The podcast app just sends a single API request to post the comment. It gets stored in an in a JSON file after it allows for moderation by the podcaster. And then it's immediately available that JSON file is immediately available to be sending. Yes.

And and luckily There was a flag in there that you can go back to moderate it later and not have to moderate every single post. I would not want to do that. That sounds sounds pretty simple. I don't know exactly how much different it is from what you know. Or if it's something we need to stop and do that instead of the activity pub, which seems to be so close yet so far away. So what are your thoughts pod sage?

Well, I mean, what are your thoughts first?

My Well, I have different thoughts. Because what I'm really, and I put this on the social and no one responded to it, which means I'm probably right on the mark. It appears to me that the biggest problem with this particular feature is that is being talked about as if it's a podcast, podcast or feature. And I, I have to kind of disagree. It is a podcast app feature. And, and and, and I remember from over two years ago, when when we started cross app comments, this is how long

You also texted me, scared me to death pictures.

From 9006, it actually works. I was quite amazed how T Mobile baby works at 9000 feet. So I think we're having the wrong discussion.

There, yeah. Maybe not the wrong discussion, maybe just two different discussions. And in one of them, maybe not even being spoken. But there's the text. There's the technical aspect of of the of the thing. And then there's the then there's the the sort of political ethical stuff on top. And this is very like, like I said, this is one of those weeks where it's like, everything is loosely connected to each other.

In the dirt.

It's also all up in there. That so the technical on the technical side of things, I had no problem with what Daniels do. And I think I think it's fine. I mean, what we want for an app is simplicity. Yeah, we see that we see the struggles of decentralization that are happening with the noster apps. They're killing people's battery life, because they're they're keeping WebSockets open to 12 different servers at the same time. There's that sort of decentralization is difficult.

just add a web hook and parse that JSON file

was not even it wasn't even web hook like the app can, I mean, jumping from the posting site? So from so the listener can just post a comment, it goes to a REST API, boom, done. Easy, simple.

That's what I'm that's what I mean by web hook, you press a button and it goes on that API server. Right.

Exactly. And so this thing is you, you do need some sort of, there's, there's, there are challenges with this. Yeah. And they can

have some kind of identity. You need an identity, what you've just built. You just built the entire identity piece to that the way I see it.

Well Nasir built it we industrious guy. Yeah, yeah, the identity can be it. But their spam control. There's all the things that

there's a lot of bull crap to go to go down. Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

Yep. And just because you have a throwaway identity doesn't mean that you're going to solve any of those problems. Right. So So I like I think the simplicity of it is, is is perfect. And

it holds me, let me stop you. And the point. And I think the point you're making suddenly, is that all of those problems have already been addressed on activity pub slash mastered on a lot of those problems.

I guess I am saying that, but I'm not saying it on purpose. Okay.

I know I know. But but the fact is, spam issues have ordered em blocking and moderation is a very rich moderation interface. You can block and you know, all kinds of things activity pub through Mastodon has all of that.

It also has. Yeah, yeah, James is right. Those problems have been addressed at baster games, too, with a different a different sort of bar to jump over, which is the pay pay part. Yes. The

pay part, which I also agree with, which is, which is probably why Fountain has not had, as far as I know, is zero problems with boosted grants, because people just don't know pay to spam that much. It's just not a very good business model.

Yeah. So I think what the so you have these different bar these different sorts of bars you can set to pay for people to jump over to to help the spam issue. One of those bar in the bar and the fountain comment system is money. The bar and the mastodon system is things like a private registration. Moderate you have moderators,

you can get kicked off. Yeah. Oh, yeah. All that. Yeah. Amen. Pure Vita. If you're

on the bar that was implemented on the noster side, or is being implemented. It's getting better is the stir fry.

It is getting better. And there's something that I've noticed, there is a community aspect. And I don't know how to implement I'm sure it's some nip somewhere that people can block a post and then it'll show up in your timeline, but it says, you know, blocked by these 3000 people and then basically you don't look at it. Okay, so there's there's fun stuff like that being developed. It's like, create like a

So then I think I think in Daniels mind what he's what he's envisioning is the bar. The the bar for keeping that stuff at bay within his idea is the moderation part that things won't show up until it's approved by the podcaster. Now, that's, that's a very, that's gonna have to take it's gonna take a lot of work. Well, it

also it won't work that way. Because people want instant gratification if you post a comment, and it doesn't show up because it has to be moderated. People won't use it. If and then you get into exactly what you're saying. Then you have to get into well who's approved to post so you get into all that stuff and you ultimately get into some kind of

Well, so then that's, that's worth pointing out here. This, this this chat, the MK Ultra has the same problem. It can it can it's also subject to spam, you know, spam bombing. Yeah. And the the bar for entry there is ephemerality so that it, it, it only lasts for a certain period of time. Yes. That's, it's still not immune from it. So that's got to be it's got to be dealt with here. So I guess I'm not I'm

just blew my mind. Did uh, yeah, keep going? I like it. Yeah. Blew my mind.

Yeah. So you're, you're, you've moved the decentralization up one step to where now, transistor or some third party can come in, read those comments and distribute them to other systems? Yes. Activity pub noster. You know, all the different commenting systems, yes. out there. Like, and that that is in they can also go back that way. If the if if you wanted to continue to expand the system and say, Okay, well, we're going to put just just like MK Archer, we're going

I agree, and I'm not sure who's pushing this decentralization talk.

Well, I don't think there's anybody pushing it. It's just that I think that's what we as technical people in private and privacy minded people, and we don't like, you know, nobody likes to be censored. I think we want the decentral just just like the nostril people are just infatuated with saying that this is censorship resistant, and it's decentralized.

I think it's, you know, that's a marketing bit. That's, that's mainly that who never says that developers. I've never seen a developer say that. That's the people who are in there and are infatuated and happy and jacked and pura vida.

It's a trick. It's an attractive thing to want. Yeah. It, it's just, it's just very, very hard. And it doesn't really fit with what podcasting that like the infrastructure that podcasting exists in right now. Anyway. I mean, like, I mean, same thing, same thing with POD ping, we've done the same thing. Pod ping is decentralized across across a public blockchain. But 99% of the people that's in pod pings do it through pod ping dot Club, which is a single point exactly.

this kind of fits with everything we've been doing. It's the same thing as a wallet. You know, and certainly in the beginning, there was a lot of pushback on us in particular, well, you guys are just centralizing the Lightning Network here. And so there was a big push all get your own node, get your own umbra, which turns out to be quite complicated for most mere mortals. Sorry, Carmen. And, and then of course, you know, along comes and out it like get Alby and there's all

Yeah, yeah. You're You're that's, that's go. And that's arriving at the gas station, finding out that they're closed and then driving down the street to a different gas station.

Now. Can I move to music?

You will? Let me

I'm waiting for you to wrap this up.

Yes, yes, you are allowed to move to music?

Well, because we can't we can't thank you point of personal privilege. Granted, we can't. We can't do anything more here than I mean. So we are at an interesting crossroads. We have an implementation of cross app comments, which I think is pretty much good to go. I think there's some core issues still, maybe there's some issues. But really, app developers are not surfacing this. And they're not enabling the the posting part. Am I correct? That's how close we are.

Yeah, it's very close. And just to maybe to maybe throw one more thing in is it and you just kind of jogged my memory on is I want I want to reach sort of re emphasize the fact that this is not the point where the point where the app communicates the comment, or, or gets the car, like I don't want to change the way we do things. I like our comments, existing

That's good. For me, that's called interrup.

Yeah, we like we can still do it the way we want to. And, and, but then boil it all down for the apps to be easy.

I love that. And I want this chat thing immediately.

To watch as I want

it immediately, I want I want to have this chat server I want I want to use this is fun.

Okay, it's as close to done.

But once once we get the IRC part, that bridge I think has to be made.

Well, the good thing about the about boost bot and everything is they can just, you know, speak noster as well, if they want to go straight in and they'll they'll be able to talk to the relay. Interesting.

Let's seem that seems that sounds like a something for the IRC boys to put together.

Now, but it will definitely suck in IRC. That's That's next on the list. I love that.

Well, Daniel Jays idea about the whole discussion around you know, having these individual files which we have, we have an individual transcript file, we have individual chapters file. And so I was racking my brain, you know, also looking at the remote item tag, which is, it's really confusing, because I think we're all talking about something no one no one's ever going to just put an episode of someone else's

Yeah, I don't think that I think it can do That's the thing it can do. But it's its primary intent is for is for other means mediums, right? Because playlists become more important with other mediums.

Yes, exactly. So playlisting. Fantastic. So I was

heard everything you said.

I know. I'm just saying it's weird.

This is what happens when you you know, look on your wife's talking to you. You're not really listening. And she's like, are you listening?

That's exactly how I felt just there for a moment. I felt like your wife is like, You're not listening to me, Dave Jones. But

then I'm like, you but what you do is you just repeat the last word that she said. You said, you said play live. Yeah.

So I'm also out in Nashville. I'm talking to Jeff Smith. And I'm talking to him about you know, about value for value and how it's working. And you know, what wave Lake is doing. And you know, basically how we've set up the whole 2.0 standard with the medium tag equals music so that we can do music was split. And believe me, musicians get it. Musicians go Oh, hold on a second. When I say we get rid of ASCAP BMI, the ears perk up, you know, and I and I know the best joke now

Okay, so you're talking about a show, you've done a show and you've published it. Now when the app is is reading through the show structure,

it's picking up so it's these remote value block. I'm just I'm not a developer clearly, I'm just shooting from the hip. So in the value block of six oh remote, okay. They say goes looked at this remote and it says, Use this valid these splits this, these values throughout the show except for this time code from here to here, use this shows value

want to sing the crap out of me?

I would like you know, so they have complete control over their value block and change that at any time. But I'll still refer to them from my remote value block. Does that make sense?

Yeah, no, it makes perfect sense. I think like this is just chapters, right? If we put the value Yes, block into the chapter markers that would solve this,

that actually that, of course came up in my mind as well, we already have the tools, all we need to do is just add the referral code for another value block. I just didn't, what I didn't want to do as I didn't want to start off a let's put pod roll and all these things in one go. I didn't want to start

Well, it's it's a good timing to do this. Because I've got as ethnic, though, would for sure work. I mean, now you know, we're gonna have to make it where it needs to be a reference, it can't really be hard coded because you're gonna have exact Yeah, you you because you need to be able to call out to that other feed and see what its current value block is rather than, like, sucking it in hard coded into recurrent chapters.

Right. So maybe this is even a smarter way to do it. Maybe, since we already have chapter files, maybe there's some tag in there, or maybe just when it reads the chapter files if it comes across a value, value block reference guid for that chapter, which has a start and an end. Maybe just overrides whatever, whatever it's using from the feed and uses that and then come and pops back after it's done and then goes back to the feed.

Yeah, yes, yes. For sure. Something like that. Yeah, we'll

call it chapter value split or something chapter value block or something like that.

Yeah, I mean, we've talked about doing this, there may even be already be a proposal for this in there. I haven't looked in a while. But it's good timing to do it. Because we're out. This fits with. Again, everything's fitting together this way this fits with what we need anyway, which is, which is reply addresses in the value block addresses. Yeah,

you go, there you go feel the need

need to have a way to reply back to reply back in boost some boot, you know, you need to know where if it's course by choice. If they want to include this in the to v, then the person receiving the boost can then reply back to that person with and with a boost. So, I mean, if we're already in there making these changes anyway. I mean, what one I just, you know, come up with, with having just proposed both at the same time. No, I think it's it makes perfect, perfect

I would I would love to have this. And I think that possibly the app devs I think anyone everyone who has V four v and the apps probably have chapters as well, I think it will, I would love doing this because we will we will spawn we will I guarantee it will spawn a whole generation of people playing not so I'm so sick for 20 years now. It's all been the only way you can do is playlist, set up your playlist put it on your shoutcast server I'm so sick of it. I want and there's a

It belongs in the chapters

for sure. Okay, good. Well, that's a great place for it.

I don't want it I don't want to have a discussion about whether it's a metadata file or chapters. It's a chapters file. Yeah, it's

that we're not having that we're not having. I'm going to talk to Steven B. And we're going to make it work in curio caster and sovereign feeds first. But anyway, if that's the that'll be our reference app.

Well, I'll propose it into the namespace because I've already got to be in there doing the proposal for reply addresses anyway. And we'll have

we'll have pod fans doing it right away too. Because you know, so yeah, Sam was like, what? Oh, wait, wait. Oh, wait there, ladies and gentlemen. Sakala blades on am Fallout 101010 from Sam sefie.

Well, I mean, like, like a third of the tags that Sam has in pod fans don't need or not even finalized. I don't even know what you're doing Sam's like

what he says, I really need to walk the dog while the show is live. It's Friday night, the wife keeps interrupting me. Just telling you just to pretend like you're listening, Sam. She doesn't understand why I want to listen live because it's cool. As for cross app comments, I'm looking to use noster not activity pub. Sorry, don't worry, it looks like we'll be able to do all I've implemented pod rolls and playlists which really work well for podcasts and music. I don't

Yes, good. Good.

Item. Good. Is it?

I mean, that's what the remote item thing. That's what remote item is? It's a reference to a feed. Good. And then a Episode Good. Oh, well,

okay, then there's a reason for that thing to perfect.

You go that, you know, the chapters is the where you what remote item can't do is give you time, like this section of this, of this show has to be this than this other section has to be that, like, if you're doing a single show that has to be chopped up into into bits. It can't do that. But it can it can reference that show.

It can reference a show and an item within the show. Yes. Okay. So the chapter value split, can reference a remote item and use and say okay, the value block from this remote item, correct? Yes. Good. Steven B isn't built yet.

Like this. Yeah, so check. So the chapters. Thing is the chapters. That's what it's for.

I'm Jack. I'm Jack. I'm jacked and ready to go. Let's do it.

I want I want to switch gears for a second and discuss made for kids. Yeah, sounds exciting. You said

no, but I'm all yours. Well, I'm sorry honey. We were talking about something I'll playlist I'm sorry. What? Something about the kids

The Kids Are the kids in trouble. Are they? Okay? The so the kids they made for kids. There's been this okay, the longest running well, how do I how do I lay this out? Okay, all right, the longest running thread on the podcast names the issue issue on the podcast namespace repo. Is this mother effing censorship thread?

Wow. Is it an F bomb? How about that? Yeah, I did. Yeah.

Is in it's like 1000 comments long. Like, in there is absolutely no better sense of what to do at the end of this thing than there was at the beginning. There may be a lot more confusion on the last post than there was at the at the at the first post. It's this content ratings. This is not censorship. It's content ratings. Like, how do we label these things? As this is safe for kids? This is not safe for kids age, which should it be by age? Should it be by content?

yeah, that's what usually happens in those conversations. It's why stay out of them.

Yeah. Town records that bring in Tipper Gore we need tipper That's right. Yep. So hear you, Tom. At some point on Rossy popped popped in a couple of

weeks, because he's a masochist. Yes, he popped in. He did. Everybody.

He popped in with a new tag that just has a single purpose, which is podcast colon made for kids. And it would just be true or false. And, as usual, with these types of things, I was like, Well, I'm just gonna give this some time to bake. And think about it. And the more I think about it, I think it's a great idea. At first I didn't, I was just, I was calling in, I think it's a really good idea. In here, here, let me try to do my best to explain why. The, the idea of who the podcast is made

Spoken.

It's just it's destined for failure because it's complex, conceptually complex, and technically complex. The the simplicity of pod roll in the reason why that everybody immediately liked it. Or many people immediately liked it as enough to even begin implementing it is because it's very simple. It's you is just a reference to another to another to other shows. It's just there's no ambiguity there. There's no complexity there. That's all it is. The made for

made your point, I think the biggest point you make here is the Unix tool example. And I appreciate that. And I think that I'm fine with a made for children. And what I don't know why this was proposed, or who was looking for it, I have kids, I still call them kids. If I had little children and I saw made for kids, I would not trust that to be listened to by my kid, I would listen to it first, which is ultimately where the responsibility lies. Because yeah, I wouldn't might want my

The the reason that made for children thing kind of piqued my interest was because there is a use case there. You know, it's hard. I've taught I've personally had a zoom call with a person who's writing who was writing I don't know if they're still doing it, but they were involved with a podcast app for kids. And it was very challenging to figure all that

that's about wanting, but you know what your point is made? We can go because all the exceptions are obvious. I'm a pedophile, I'm going to make a podcast called made for kids. I mean, it's obvious, it's obvious, it will not work for content. It's what's clear is it does one thing, it tells a parent, this is for kids, this I made this for kids. You can listen to this and see if it's appropriate for your kid. That's it.

Right. That's, that's it? Yes, that's it. And so, just to finish, just to finish my thought, though, if like, is at least a flag to say, you don't have to sort through 4 million podcasts to to find those that you will then whittle down. You can start with, you know, a couple 1000. Yeah, I'm at agreement. Yeah, like, it's just me. That's why I think it's worth doing. Because, I mean, otherwise, who cares? You see, I'm saying, I mean, like, there's there has to be some

No, it's not a content rating. And I'm just saying yes, to have everyone shut the fuck up over it. I'm tired of it. Seriously, it's like fine habit for kids. It's not going to change anything said whittled down, something that parents have to look at look through, you cannot do? It does nothing. It does absolutely nothing other than give parents a feeling of oh, I can look at these things and see if it's appropriate. That's all. And most good kids content will

One? Well, I mean, James James is saying that the only reason this exists would exist was for you to well, I'm well, I mean, maybe but there is there is you. There are US laws that you know about, was it COPPA and all that kind of stuff. I mean, there's there's a legal reason to do it. It goes beyond YouTube. I understand. I understand your point. But I

All right. All right. Now, I'm now leaving the chat because this chat is now used exactly what happens with chats and comments and get hubs, it turns me into an irritated man.

You've dropped the F bomb twice. You are here. I'm very

irritated by all this talk.

I want to build you up at once.

I want more building. I want to work with app developers. I want Martin to Martin Where's pod friend to man, I want to have my account on pod fans. I can't retrieve my account. I want to get going I have stuff to do. I want to I want to make cool shows. I want to play music. I'm the academia is killing me. It's killing me. It's killing me.

I don't want you to die. I mean, let's like, risky, this or something?

No, no, no. But I mean, we just talked for 15 minutes about made for kids. And and I and I don't I don't care. I mean, I think it's I don't I care, I care that you want it and that you think it's a good thing to do. And I think okay, great. I don't make content for kids. And if I had kids, I wouldn't trust them and made for kids thing anyway. And it's just I think there's this is the same problem that was going on for 10

Look, everybody gets pissed at me when I close an issue on the on the on the namespace. I'm gonna close this issue and I just want everybody to understand why when I do it, don't Why didn't you just say that? Because I don't want to get nasty emails. I'm tired of it. Yeah,

that just is just how it goes. But, but now I see. i It's, it's frustrating at times. He says all this back and forth. You know, hey, pod roll, great idea. Boom, put it in, someone implements it great. I probably I'll probably use it. You know, this, this is where we're going wrong. And a lot of people are guilty of this round and round and round. And he I think and I think and I think and I think you know, it's just like let's just get something going let's get something done.

Which is always surprising to me that

and I always point out, I bring the SATs to your door developers, I bring the Satoshis everyone could get up and do a podcast I get up do a podcast and bring you SATs.

So how do we how do we make it? How do we make this happen? Why do we need we made for kids? No, no, no, no, no, I'm done with that. I'm about to go close that.

Close it now. Close it live on the air. I love you. We think so like except, except you're so kind when you say it. I don't know. How do you do it? There's something about you.

This? No, I mean, like, the chapters, like I mean, like we just need Okay, so we need we need the we need to get remote with the mirlo value. We need the value block and the chapters. And we need we need reply back, which would be pretty spiffy.

Do we need that? Or are you just let's do it while we're doing this anyway. Yeah, let's do it while we're doing it anyway. GLV isn't doesn't mean we don't need anything any reply back for doing this at this point. But your your Well, hold on. I liked this actually. So then the artist can see who sent the booster gram and can reply back.

Yeah, so here's what here's what I want. I wrote these things down. This is what I want in the in the TLV. I want this is my wish list. I want to I want to return a dress, which this is it's got to be a J It's gotta be a JSON blog. So it's got to be here because it's got to have all the stuff, it's got to have the node address, it's got to have the custom custom key custom value, it's got to have that stuff in order to

from can we can do whatever we want, right? We can just put it we want okay. All right. So that's what you want. We know what I want. That meeting adjourned. Great meeting everybody. Thanks for being

with us. This qualifies minutes.

The first thing I have to do is I have to get a Steven b a motherboard. And she said he said no development happens. I get my motherboard. Oh man.

Steven, tell me tell me what you want.

We'll get your motherboard man. We'll buy you a motherboard.

I'll buy you a laptop.

Laptop. I'm in Dave we're pitching together.

I mean if it as long as it doesn't have to be anything super brand new I mean get a laptop for you know 50 bucks

Wow, you're man, you're just the man aren't you today give away 50 podcasting 2.0 Giveaway $50 laptops,

like like a like a Lenovo like a five year old Lenovo T 15 which is still a great machine. You can find those on eBay for like painty 75 bucks my go

to is the surface Go version three with running mint

that's why I'm saying these I mean these older lads well super run great

Dred Scott as he has a he said, I wonder if we could use chapter values for NA image art when using art from the Art Generator? I'm not quite I think I know what I'm what he's saying but just so you know, whenever we use an artist that will use album art from the Art Generator for no agenda if that artist has a get Alby address or any lightning address in their, in their profile I use it give him 5%. And you know, you notice

boost? So are you waiting to start this show until you get these chapter values?

Yeah, that's that's all I need. The minute I have that I'm off to the races. The minute I have that and the end as I said, there's a lot of artists who bought back their royal their their rights, they have the rights and they're happy to they're happy to do the experiment. I'm not sure what difference does it make not making money off it any other way? So yes, I'm waiting for that and the minute that's there, then then we're good to go.

Shred it in. So I'm going to a comic cons route after the show. What up and hunts have in Huntsville, you actually go into a Comic Con. Yeah, it's up in Huntsville, Alabama. I'm like a huge, make no apologies. I'm a huge Star Trek nerd. And I want to go get my picture made with William Shatner.

Oh, he's gonna be there. Yeah,

it's like 1000 years old. Wow, I

didn't Yeah, that's interesting. Dave for all all the years I've known you I did not know any of this.

You didn't know as a Star Trek nerd. No. It's I keep it to myself, but you know, it's no secret

you certainly have your sensory definitely a space vessel of some type. Origin unknown could hardly be an Earthship there have been no flights into

this sector for years now named the episode

that no there's there's no way there's no

Chinese this week launched something called a quantum communication satellite

something different I'm just going through my all my clips. He lives for Star Trek stuff. I've all kinds of stuff

we can dive into but I had to write it down run race right what down the chapter level value blog so well. Okay.

Yeah.

What is there a bed of space music going on here?

This is Star Trek. This is the Cincinnati pops our orchestra. This playing on battle theme.

That is the Klingons battle. Yes.

As you recognize it immediately. Battle Royale Yes. Put your glasses up on your nose Hello nerd

a you call nerd now but in a couple of hours. I'll have a picture with William Shatner. And you

can I just say some I love you Dave Jones all aspects of you all facets. There's nothing wrong with you

by the way that I've got I've got to throw this in here. So there's a guy here in town that teaches guitar lessons and drum lessons and he's just a great great dude. He runs a a nonprofit thing for inner city case was right down the street from us to teach kids how to play music, and lots of great volunteer work and everything. But he's just a cool dude. And

dude and October you what you need is you need that Tommy Lee cage flips over you need to wear the little Speedo.

spins around goes upside down. Yeah, one

little Speedo underwear. Yeah, man. You could be telling me you got a gift tattoo. You have no tattoos?

No, no, no, don't do that.

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That's what we do. I mean, you know, we're still suffering from from the Zappa Palooza where people I got a message the other day, you you, you first close my eyes and my channel. No, we didn't force closing on purpose. In fact, I've never force closed everything, anything on purpose. That's just the nature of what happens sometimes. So hit us up where happened to we're happy to if it closes, let us know. We'll open it again. That's what we do. Have had 1111 Sir Spencer

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got six servers running for that we appreciate that. So that's those are the monthlies. I think a lot of people gave up too. I mean, I really feel that this tax season hurt us.

It hurt me.

For sure. I'll tell you it hurt me too. Yeah, I'm so mad because I could have given money more money away turns out you can give you can give away more than you used to this year for some reason. Oh, really? Yeah. I thought it was 10 grand. And but now you can give away more. I'm like, and I could have traveled more because I can write that off. Now instead of sending it to Ukraine. It's like

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we'll see total recur sent 9999 through fountain he says worlds colliding an episode with quality people building things, exploring ideas and even multiple chat rooms running in the curry countdown teaser idea tossed out at the end boom.

Yes. Well, and we're taking we're taking it beyond the countdown. The countdown was just one you know. There was some valid feedback about the countdown and The, you know, this is always the problem with countdowns with charts, which is why don't like him? Obviously, we can't just do it on amount of SATs received because then anyone could boost themselves into the into the top, top 10. Right, Joe, you know, we have to avoid that.

It's I mean, they would essentially do what Taylor Swift does. Yeah.

So we want to avoid that. So that's why I'm so excited about just starting, just starting a show with artists who are valued for value. Everybody gets paid, by the way, so does your app, your app your app gets everybody gets a piece. You know, I gotta say one more thing. So someone on on nostril mostly, if I'm loaded up here, created something called zap worthy. And immediately went to no agenda on an episode and shows that Oh, no, I can zap your show. I'm like, please

this this is a problem. I don't understand. Yeah, I don't there's no and this is a frustrating thing about about the nostre development community that they're not they're not seeing they're not seeing all these things and they're not cutting everything this okay, I'm not I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go Jihad them. I'm gonna get back to booster grand. Okay, because I'm going to end up spending 15 Min. I everybody will leave.

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Do you know Pete Pauling?

Well, it's a Dutch name and Pete would be Pete and Pauling is eel is piling is a very Dutch like eating their eel. Yielding eel pilings, we say hey, like a bottling kit? Yeah.

Good. So you must know him right? Of course.

Of course. I'd probably I probably slept with them. It's

it's like, it's like that old the old some old episode of The Roseanne Barr show it was Roseanne Episode Episode of Roseanne, where it was like one of their like, her balls or something was was gay. And he's like, Yeah, I'm he's like at Poker Night. And he's like, yeah, he's a young guy. And nobody knew it get a price get super uncomfortable. All these you know, dudes, and they're like, Oh, I know a guy who's gay. He lives in Chicago. You must know. His name's John.

Sir bemrose says something in the in the chat here says addict perhaps David data could publish more information about how the index helps to provide podcasters with inbound SATs. That's what we do wasn't a very good explanation. I'd said literally, send us your node and we'll open a channel. I don't know what more explanation if someone knows they need an

Yeah, if if you are having trouble maintaining enough liquidity, ask us for a bigger channel and we will give you a bigger channel. I mean, that's pretty simple, right? Yeah, yeah. Pizza the pizza doesn't send a donation on chain but somehow is not showing up on the tally coin page.

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Are Davis at seven with a boob donation 8008 through pod verse he says in the morning after trying to correct my original boost boosting this is what I had originally meant. I'm looking forward to a wave link wave Lake top 40 Friday nights at eight at eight o'clock. Industry

Okay. Eight o'clock. All right. Sure. Yeah, there you go. I mean, I already have no Sunday module given my Friday night. Yes, sir. You don't need dinner. I don't need a life. No,

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Yeah, we're getting cheap. What are people excited about? What are they excited about? Yeah. music music of course.

Sir. Bill 25,000 SATs through fountain says love the music chats keep it up.

Yep, yep. Yeah, we struck a nerve. We struck a nerve.

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Thank you. We paid for it. We paid for it. Yes, you paid for it.

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This is going to be so huge, Dave. Yeah. Because what do we have? We have? What is the number one category of podcast right now? True Crime true crime. After that, it's news. I'd say news ish type talks off. And then for kids. Yeah. Well, you get that tag. It was gonna be making podcasts for kids. I think I think music will be huge, because it's been so impossible to do. And I know that people gravitate even even though I'm, you know, I like playing the hits. The hits that

Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, good. That's

what you want. I broke that record, man. Come on, man. I broke that. And, and we all made money on it. That's the point.

That's like, I heard this Cleveland, Cleveland, Ohio DJ, there was I think it was a I think it was a woman that she was like she to this day tells the story of how she was the first one to play rush song and like broke them out to the American market.

And you and there will be three other DJs across the country who will claim the same thing. But in this case, everyone has receipts, which is kind of cool.

literacies 22 to 22 through fountaining says boosting for Sam means been loving his music since the days of the format sending V for V his way on wave Lake. Nice. Nice. Jean been to 22 to 22. Another big row of dogs to cast thematic Jean says Wasn't there some talk a little while back about cast ematic or someone working on presenting a different interface when the feed is medium equals music. That could certainly kickstart some V for V music playback.

do it. Say that say that again. What's the idea?

So the idea was just specifically in cast thematic on this, in this instance, that Franco would make a change so that when it detects that a feed is medium of music, oh, he would reorder it would set the player up to do the right thing.

Yeah, exactly what Spotify tried and reverse and pretty much failed up.

Yeah, but the Franco will succeed Of course, as well, man.

He's Franco Yeah,

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Chad GBT AI you know what it is? It's the Segway. That's what it is. Yeah, GPP is the new segway.

Didn't somebody die on a Segway? Yeah, the

CEO of the company. fell off a cliff. Yeah, pretty much. But I just remember all l that was the same all venture capitalist. Everyone had one all the VC were riding around their offices on the Segway. I had one I have a castle, I drove the Segway through the castle, and people's cities are going to change life is going to change. Nothing will be the same. The Segway is the future. That's what Chad GPT is to me.

Is the Segway the Segway of, of cloud 2.0.

Yeah. Segway of web three, or something like that. Yeah. Good luck, everybody. Good luck. Good luck finding a business model Silicon Valley.

Let's regroup. Regroup for this week.

So good news, bad news. Wednesday, I have my final oral operation. Okay. This will be a three hour knock them out operation so not as bad as the first one. It is of course, entirely possible. Friday may be a no go for me. That all depends on swelling, etc. Yes, sir.

Okay. Not to be dealt with. I mean, well, we don't have a guests. Next week. Okay. I think is is two weeks from now on May the fifth? I think

it is. Yes. Yeah. Because that'll be the 26th. Yes, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

We got Sam Sethi on May the 14th. We don't have a guest next week.

Oh, Sam Sethi. Come on. That's right. Oh, that'll be fun. You can explain to us how pod fans work. Because man, when when he when he sends me an email is like, a lot of screenshots. I'm afraid

to actually like if I have an idea for a tag. Yeah. I'm afraid sometimes to say it out loud because you're afraid he's going to implement right away.

Yeah, he'll do the music though. I know how to build the music. He'll there'll be all over that right away.

All right. Okay, go. I'm gonna go get my picture made with William Shatner. I

am so excited for you. We are going to post that post it on the social let us know that we want to see it. Well, and tell him I said hey, we'll do you Note William

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