Episode 127: Fortress of Freedom

Oh, podcasting 2.0 for March 31 2023, episode 127 fortress of freedom Hello everybody, welcome once again to your board meeting of podcasting 2.0 We've always got better bagels and big tech in our boardroom, the latest developments, podcast index.org to namespace and and of course, all the grubby grimy details of podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and Alabama the man who will turn your issue into a discussion.

I feel ill equipped to talk about the latest in recent and whatever else you said the developments in the pocket and podcasting. I've been going. I've been out of town.

Well, I was out of town too. But I was not.

I was no excuse.

Exactly Shut up, man. There's no excuse.

Oh, I get home and promptly. We get home Wednesday night. Yeah, everything was fun. Yeah. Woke. Woke up. Felt fun yesterday morning. Yeah. But by lunchtime by lunchtime, Tiny Tim in full effect. I had a

really

hard time in spring months. This is

getting ridiculous. Are you better now? Or is it still full on?

No, I had a fever again today as

what is wrong with you, man? I don't know.

laughing I mean, I'm laughing I'm of course I'm not really happy about it. But I have to laugh. It was like what is going on with my man here? Well, I have

to get I have to laugh to you. Because this is absurd at this point. It is. It is a bit absurd. It's just not even talking about anymore and just copying Advil and moving on with my will. Have

you been taking your beef milkshake?

Yeah, every day. Well, I did not on the road. Not when that's maybe the problem.

There you go. You need to always bring your your beef milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.

Emergency shake. I didn't have it with me.

Alright, so I was on vacation. While kind of a work vacation. I still did to no agenda shows.

Because I did a great, by the way, send a great, no, thank

you. You know, some people said if you hadn't said you're on vacation, they wouldn't have known it. They would have known I was in a different place. No, I wouldn't

have the audio quality was what you would expect. Top notch. Yeah, well,

it's the road caster, man, if I if I could have built that thing myself, I would have

got the rain was fun to turn down for the first show.

Could not could not cover that one up. I was some that was some. That's what you get in, in the Caribbean. And you know, as always, you know, we're, you know, we're there for exactly a week. And of course, I was basically working, you know, Tina, when we were laying out by the beach. You know, Tina is reading on my phone, you know, doing emails and you know, just collecting all the stuff I need. And as always, you're like, you know, we could live here, you know? You always do. Yeah, we

Though. We do that to you because we were in we were in Charleston, South Carolina.

Oh, which eautiful Have you been there before?

Never been never been to Charleston. We've we've been to Savannah, which is like the people in Charleston probably hate hearing the phrase this stuff does look a lot a lot like Savannah. And the people in Savannah probably hate hearing it in reverse. But they really are so similar. I mean, they're very close to each other and they look a lot like that. Ya know, we had a good time and it was it's funny because Charleston is trusted affiliate very wealthy play.

Oh, didn't historically even that way.

They know a lot of poor folks in Charleston and I can

see Dame Jennifer's eyes rolling right now. You know she pretty much runs Charleston.

Forgot Dame Jennifer was in Charleston. She

would have hooked you up bro. I know she runs the show there. She she really she's the queen of Charleston.

This this is a complete faux pas on my part. Hey, this this is like I dropped the ball really

is. Oh my goodness. Well, she'll show she'll beat you out. I'm

sure that's fine. No. Bring it.

Speaking of Dame Jennifer. Oh. Oh. What is speaking of Dame Jennifer so I was listening to the latest audacity to podcast Daniel J. Lewis, his podcast which he which he click Beatty titled? micro micro payments. Is it worth it?

Yeah, but it goes into SCO gazing this Yeah,

so So he, of course totally spoiled it says hand hand Adam, you'll love it. Like, okay, and I listen, it's 30 minutes I listened to this thing. And, and I'm just I'm jumping up and down. I'm like, every single thing we've wanted to talk about when it comes to value for value in podcasting. 2.0 is in here, right down to this handy shortcut, which is if you want to know how much bitcoin is worth, all you have to do is say, whatever the number is, let's say it's

This is great. I can't wait to catch this.

1000 SATs is 28 pennies. There we go. That's okay. That's how you got to look at and it's like, oh, okay, that makes a lot of sense. So but if it's 30, it's $30,000 1000 sites is 30 pennies. And like, oh, that kind of is handy to remember. I like this. But he explains everything right? I mean, and when I thought I was not going to talk about the loop, you know, the feet, he had it all in there. There's maybe a few things that went in a little little deeper than necessary.

Oh, like some but like, I mean, like somes actually in the works, like Yes and actually do so yeah,

this is the thing that we've been talking about, for forever, like, Oh, if we could only explain how it worked, people would understand it that much better and damage. If we if we had sat in it actually we have if we had sat down and said, Alright, I'm going to write the script. This is what I was going to be we never and even Daniel's read was good as we never would have been able to accomplish this. So I

like as a good player. He's a good pocket podcaster. He's

excellent podcaster. And he really, really, really nailed it right down to the numerology, all of it. So I mean, there could even be a short edit and longer version. I don't know. So Dame Jennifer's on it. And I think she can't start until this weekend or Monday, because she had no actual work to do. But I said, we want to hire you for that. I hope you don't mind. I know that's it's a personal personal

I'm sure he's looking forward to that.

Oh, yeah, he's jumping up and down. Now.

He's going to resend that episode. This. Oh, what is this going to be? I mean, what is she? What is she creating?

Well, you know, her no agenda videos and no agenda animated videos that that tool that she uses. She's going to do use that I guess that's her tool. She knows.

But you don't actually know that she's going to use that she could ever call car blog.

Carte Blanche is exactly the idea. Okay, carte blanche on a crisp. She's She's, she's so creative.

Well, this is what this is what Melissa says when people she's currently working on the on an installation for to go in the city of Birmingham. Wow,

she she went a long way since last time. We talked about her art. Installation for the city of Birmingham. Yes.

No, she's already got one that she did a few years ago. That's, that's permanent. So

I remember the I remember panicle gardens. I do remember that. Yeah. So

she now they they love that one so much. They want her to do want. She's doing one for near the museum near the Museum of Art. And so she is what she said like the there's somebody that was involved in it. It was trying to like tell her exactly what to do. No, no work that doesn't work this way. Doesn't work that way. And her her her line that she uses all the time is I'm not going to be your hand. You know, it's like,

but yeah.

You don't hire me to be your hands. You hire me to do to be creative

mind. Yes, exactly. To do your thing. Oh, well, this will be interesting. That's exactly how I view I'm like, this is this. Jennifer knows, she knows she knows how to do it. And we've talked about this at nauseam we've said yeah, if only people could see the flow and they understood it. And as the voice over which it of course was just an episode, but when you hear Daniel J do it, it's like, you know, he's it's like he's just reading a script so casually. So Oh good. So I'm

Smart. So

he did do some emojis. So true. Yeah. And of course, I actually took my My Bride out on a date. We had a, we had a lunch together and like, Oh, crap, hold on a second, baby. I'm so sorry. I did. I did. I did. But she so she said

what relationship killer?

But you have to understand the keeper. What are you doing? I said, I need to update the schedule change through the lit tag. She's like, Oh, of course. Go ahead.

My Bride.

That's why she's known as the keeper.

She's so good. So yeah. And I did it on my phone. It worked out pretty good. That was good.

And my phone had you do it on your phone

through sovereign feet.

So you made that change on sovereign? This? Okay, this makes sense. Because you made the change in sovereign feeds in the new

and we have the webhook webhook. We haven't. Yeah, exactly. How cool is that? Went? Well, I hooked it and it was done. I did. You know, of course, the web hook does the pod pings are updated automatically. But

this is the problem. This is the problem with with all the with all the stuff that we have going on a consistent basis. You forget what you've done and what you haven't done. Like, like, you know what I mean? Like?

FTP, the RSS was

like, Man, did you bring out a laptop on the lunch date? Man, that's, that is a killer. That is bad.

No, no, no. And so, and I bring this up, because I just wanted to say that, you know, every day, we get a, like a breakdown, you and I get a breakdown of transactions or the stuff that we know the stuff that's basically on the V for V stats page. So yeah, what you put in those beautiful graphs, and so we get kind of daily report. And I just want to report that it's really it's been so beautiful to watch. This, of course, is really only reflections of what people are

I think what you said may have gotten lost. Let me let me

let me read. This is why there's two of us.

Let me try to clarify what you're saying is that fountain is always at the top. Yeah. On a day to day basis. But on the budget. As far as SATs and transactions use, yeah. Yeah. But on the day on the live shows for the for the for the Live episode, pod verse is way above fountain on on on SATs. Yeah, the transaction count is low. But the set amount is high. Exactly. And that that shows the power of live Yes. Shows Yes. But you really get a different. It's some you get a

But it's also to complete. This is what I've always hoped for. It's two completely different apps. Both podcasts. Yeah. Both work fine with podcasts. But Fountain has this massive interaction engagement type thing. It's very sticky. And it was beauty has been beautiful to see. My friend Jimmy and his wife start their show, really with no knowledge. I mean, just, I mean, he's a musician he understands. So he didn't he was afraid of creating the show. didn't quite know how

What I'm waiting for somebody to build the live instead of just like instead of just putting live into an existing app, like build an entire app around live who Yeah, you know, because what you're really building is radio,

or YouTube or YouTube Live?

Yeah, you're like, you can imagine it, let's just let's just extrapolate out like, I don't know, three years from now. You have, let's just say

three months, three years from now, I don't know if I'll be alive. You might want to tighten that up a bit.

You'll be living in the living in Jamaica. But like, Oh, I remember was gonna say about about Charleston. I remember why I brought that up. You said you know, you look around, you're like, Oh, we could live here. We looked around and we're like, nobody can live here for less, you know,

for less than a million dollars.

Like these houses? No, no, we can't live here. But anyway, like, if you if you look at three years in the field, let's just say there's 200 shows doing live. Well. I mean, don't you at that point, aren't those all like, essentially, you have radio stations at that point. I mean, you can turn the dial and there's a deal going on with there's probably a few shows happening streaming live so that you begin to That becomes this sort of radio like experience. Well, how about

the idea that Moe and I have always had his versus, like, can I have like a live vote? Do you like this versus that? Okay, you know, click on this button to send sets to that to that wallet or whatever. I'm not sure how it works. I'm just talking about, you know, to register your vote here being or registering. Well, versus the idea of versus is you got two DJs you know, DJ one, DJ two, or rapper or hip hop, whatever it is, it doesn't could be country herbs, classical for

Yeah, Nathan says Twitch for podcasting. Yes, good. Good analogy. There you go. No, you're good. On the music side where we were. Today's show was supposed to be my husband's to be Michael and Sam from wave lake for the second time that got that got derailed. I mean, this is like dude, like the, the cursed podcast guests. But

then it got worse, then it got worse, because you rescheduled them. And then yesterday, I had my my scan for my teeth. And Dr. Mitch, he's like, Oh, I'm so excited. You got seven millimeters of bone. Bone edge, man. Yeah. He's like, 26th of April, you're going three hours, it'll be great then. And by the way, also not on the brochure. After that three hour procedure, then three months to heal. Then I get the teeth jacked arm. So I have, I'll still be using

temporary slippers. seven millimeters of bone.

Yeah, the group they ossified myself.

That's a great show title.

seven millimeters of bone

the lot like live performances and stuff. I mean, this is all there. This is all there for the taking. So we'll we'll talk about we'll talk about all that with them. But that really kind of needs to your the vs thing made me think about, you know, a remote.

Item live. It's all in there, man. It's all in. I'm so excited.

Speaking of. So, you know, I've been going through the the namespace and converting all the issues to discussions. Which has been a it's been it's one of those things where as long and tedious but it actually is. I'm really glad that that I'm going through this because it helps me re read everything.

And actually, whenever I see the email come in, Dave Jones has converted this issue to a dense discussion. I'm like, okay, click. Let's take a

look. Now wait, wait, wait, we wait. Hang on, hang on. Are you saying that every please tell me that every time I do this, people aren't getting spammed with 100 emails?

No, not 100 Just one every single time you convert an issue to a discussion, I get an email. Every one.

Yeah, I'm happy about that. Or is it only the ones that you've replied to in some way? Or is it all of them?

Well, I I, I'm subscribed to the whole GitHub, you know, so you can subscribe to different things. I want to see it all. Yeah, it's just our baby. I may not know how to how to use GitHub, but I can read an email. I can I can click in and reply to someone and say I don't agree with that. You know, something new

Eric P paces. He gets all of them, but he's watching the repo. Okay. So if you're watching the repo, you get all those? Yeah. So

I am watching the repo. Correct. Okay. All right. Well,

if I spend anybody with conversions, my apologies, I

don't care. I like it. I'm cool with it.

But there's been a lot of been a lot of great discovery going on here. Like, let's see, where's my sheet here? Stuff I forgot about like, the sponsor tag.

Yes, I saw this one.

And somebody Africa who wasn't me. Was it Daniel, or no, it may have been, maybe Mitch actually. Yeah, I think it was Mitch. He wanted a continuous attribute on the live item. Tag.

Like oh, yes, yes. Yeah. Like it's a continuous stream.

Yeah. For things for for stuff like 100%. Retro, yes. And then

that kind of makes sense as far as I'm concerned.

See, okay. Now this is this is one I mean, Well, I guess we're going, you got anything else you wanna talk about? We need to do namespace talk, or do we want to know I have something that we talk about? Yeah. Okay, go go for because that was about it that was about to dive into a namespace not off the off the diving board. No,

well, actually, this is your fault.

Please. Alright, I woke up to it, whatever. Yeah,

the podcast standards project launched. Well, that makes me explain what you're

okay. You just like it you just like

or not the whole thing. Now, let me get to the year for the podcast. And let me get to your ballpark. Because, okay, you know, this launch. And of course, I read the blog post, with all respect a little, a little flowery, a little, just seemed to be different, different versions of explanation of what this exactly is about. And, you know, and you said, Oh, listen to the buzz cast. It's a very good

six millimeters. So we're gonna let me

listen to the podcast. This is the Buzzsprout podcast. I know who's on that. Who's on the it's Kevin, Kevin,

Kevin, and Alvin and Jordan. Right. Okay.

And so there is a very good explanation. And I'm like, Oh, okay. Cuz I've heard, you know, couple of varying things. And then they get into analogies, which was a hilarious bit, you know, and I think it was maybe album did a did analogy, which was, which was great. Except that doesn't work for women. So it was like completely completely misogynist. And like, Oh, dude, I knew that he was going down a

Let's talk about email. So email, there has been a standard that's been around for years and years and years, I really have no idea how old the email spec is, when I talk when we talk about email protocols. We're mostly talking about IMAP, which is pretty much what runs Internet Mail. Nowadays, there was another one called Pop three, but they were they were compatible, very similar technologies. And most email

superhuman,

I've never heard of this shit. I don't know what this is. It sounds like something I want to check out though. It's great. Yeah. So again, it's all analogy about things built on top of IMAP, there was pop three as well, but by maps far superior,

people with Gmail addresses, but they're just using that same protocol in the background. They're saying, we don't actually have to serve the email, let Google do that. But we can improve upon Google's interface around it. So we're leveraging a protocol that's been delivered by another company. And we provide our own UI, again, all innovation that's

going forward toward we should have an ongoing segment of Kevin and I try to think of different areas where there's I've got some,

okay, so you understand the basic idea is, they're not trying to recreate what podcasting 2.0 has done, or what, what Apple's done with the iTunes namespace, not trying to rewrite RSS 2.0. We're trying to create an industry group that says, hey, this is the place you come to, if you want to know what kind of the baseline is, for a podcast hosting company

which I think I also have an analogy, and I will, but I will do it after your analogy.

Oh, good. Oh, no, it's the analogy show. What two and a half, three years ago, open podcasting came under attack from big tech had been brewing for a while. But as one of the creators of podcasting, I considered it my duty to defend to protect what we ended up with Dave Winer, but you know, what we initially created and a lot of people, a lot of stakeholders and open podcasting built on RSS. So Dave, you and I, we built a fortress, around the freedom that was created almost

like this good analysis,

the fortress of freedom you like that? Regardless of any agenda from Apple, Spotify, Amazon, Google, we ensured that there will always be a free and open home for podcasting at podcast index.org and assure its longevity by publishing the entire database, which we we dropped one every single week, anybody can down, anybody could could replicate what we're doing and set up a new index. If we've keel over. Whatever happens, we if we say, Oh, we're done when

I like this tourney turned so like it.

So we need the diplomats here comes podcast standards project that was really willed into existence. And I want to personally congratulate the founding members for publishing this monumental task, which has been tried many times in the past, but they never had the fighters on the front line, warriors armed with scissors and gaffer tape. I'm glad I'm making you laugh. So the product, the podcast, Standards Project, its goals, as I understand them,

You are proposing a is a version of like the NDA. But for your defense authorization?

Well, here's really how I was looking at it, like, yes, Ukraine and Russia and along comes China. And she is like, hey, that would have stopped this war. But I didn't like the idea of calling anybody China, Ukraine or Russia. So I

As I see this, and I don't know, I don't know if this is what they intended. But I think this is what they are one of their missions, is not just standardization, but advocacy. Yes. Oh, yeah. To my understanding that right,

I believe so. Yes, I believe so. Well,

I was gonna give my analogy but you I mean, yours is like, so over the top and blew me out of the water. I mean, look, I like likes, like following Dave Chappelle. I

can't really do this. I would very much like to hear your analogy. Well, I

mean, my, my analogy is more along the lines of on the on the email side of things, the the IMAP thing that's a good that's that's that's pretty good. That to me, the better. The better analogy here is on the email side of things. Is HTML email. Every marketers worst?

Very good point. Very good point.

Every there every email app supports a subset of HTML tags and attributes. Every one of them are different. In fact, don't you literally their services that will literally pay to show you how your email looks different in every single app.

I believe that's even one of the first things they put into their into the Standards Project is how you do HTML in the in the podcast feed.

Yeah, so currently, currently, I wouldn't looked so right now if somebody wants to know how to properly format their show notes. Like if you have a, let's just say a new hosting company or a podcast or something. And they just or you know, whoever and they just want to know okay, what is the right way to form mesh show notes. You literally have to go. The pretty much authoritative answer is an amalgamation of two are different articles on pod news. How podcast one is titled How

that's no place to go. That's not no shouldn't be the place to go. Right?

This is silly. I mean, there should be in like something just taking that analogy. How should I format my show notes to make them display correctly? How should blink be? How long should they be so that things don't get cut off? So you take all of those things, you can design the base standard, so that it covers all of the different podcast apps, so that the podcast apps themselves don't actually have to change? Right? You can say you can say, okay, the the podcast app, there's,

the hosting companies would presumably take care of that. And they'd hide all the things we're talking about behind their UI.

Sure, sure. But then the pup, but the published spec has to be somewhere. Yes. Oh, no, it's not

anywhere. Exactly. And

it Yeah, no, go. Yeah. And it, we'll see what else it like. So you could say and I think this is, I think this is important to the podcast Standards Project. Ethos, is let's just say that in this is actually the case. But let's say that you have, you know, 10 different podcast apps, and three of them support up to 4000 characters in the show notes. Five of them support up to 3200, blah, blah, blah. So what you do is you just take the one, that's the that's the lowest. And you

no one works for everybody. No one has to change anything. Exactly. Right. So

I think I think that I guess what I'm trying to say is that I think that the podcast, Anders project, can design a whole bunch of out of the box, sort of standard doc standardize document

that are good to go. If you take if you take that that. Yeah, and the most common,

and they don't end up. They don't end up say, arguing the industry arguing Well, or saying, Hey, you podcast that developer, you got to go change your craft to adhere to our stand. Right.

Right. Exactly.

He's important. Good point.

Good point,

because we already told her heard Marcos, they I don't want people telling me what to do. Yeah.

So anyway, so I'm this, now that I understand from, you know, from the bus, and I think, I don't want to say I know it, everyone's worked on this. Look, for over a decade, this has been tried and beat and just always kind of resulted in the same thing. And that's because they didn't have fighters in the form on the front line. And we just went out said, Okay, we're gonna go kick some ass over here. And we're doing this, and we're building our own our own apps, and we're

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

The guy with the you know, who had the extra string on his guitar? With a seven string guitar. Nice. Crazy. So McGuane calls me says dude, Steve got got cans of serious. Oh, shoot. I'm gonna give him a call. So I call and Steve's fine. It actually his wife passed away a year ago. Horrible. Ms. Like a horrible lengthy says. But he's but no, actually two years ago. But he's had a girlfriend now she's age appropriate. She's 66 You know, the going down to the shore.

Fully. Age appropriate girlfriend. Yeah, that's that's important.

Of course. And so. And I'm talking he's like, and he's like, No, I just, I can't really bring myself the music business is so broken. It's so messed up. Mr. Steve, let me tell you what we're doing. So I'm telling this stuff. He's like, Oh, holy crap. And then he starts telling me about the business. He's like, it is so broken. He says Spotify will never ever, ever make any money. The way the fees are structured with the record companies. They'll never even break even.

That's bad.

He says, Who gives a shit about all that stuff? Because I don't know. I don't know where the value is. I don't get it. And so we're talking about this. I'm like, you know, what an awkward and it's I'm trying to pull them over. I'm like, Dude, can you maybe this is something that you can help bands with it because he knows everybody, everything even you know, especially radio. I mean, he knows radio really well. But he knows everybody in everything. He knows where all

the, I don't know if you've noticed this kind of out of subscribe to, in my free micellar I just grab this subscribe to, I don't know, some music, business thing, music, business feed or whatever. And it's just now it's become just this, the music industry has now become like a trading desk, of all of the like, like there's no really great powerful music coming out anymore. It's timeless. Everything is just a product of it's sort of very quick and

most format life has become really fought the hips have become very formatted the Writing teams, you know, they're all from Sweden, they all come in with seven writers, you know, it's like it's all split up. And then it just goes into the big bad void. I think personally, I've dealt with BMI but ASCAP, BMI, or big black boxes, you know, you you your stuff gets sold and play or played in that case. You know, 48 months later, a penny drops out, you know, where's the rest? You got to

MPP says, Oh, it all feels disposable. Yeah, it feels totally dispensing you take that again, you know, I was were talking to him before the show. Listen to some tunes. And I was talking about Jerry Reed. And like, I can say this about Jerry Reed, that guy can eat the frets off a guitar. I mean, like, like, I mean, he can just tear up a guitar. And I'm like, you can't really say that about people today. Like those kinds

So the rights here, so the rights there, you also sell the rights to tick tock sell the rights to YouTube. So you know, and the artists, the smart ones who've been around long enough, but here's my $20 million payday, I'm gonna sell my catalog the whole thing, you go and market it and hoard out whoever you want.

Yeah, but it's like, it's like the office. It's like that show the office. Everybody just keeps trading that thing around and whoever's the most recent buyer of the REITs and it just makes me think that that's it. That's all it is. Now, we there's no fixing it until you put it back in the hands of the people.

Well, we needed a new way of packaging a new way of selling something that's outside of the model. Just like podcasting, which you know, radio went through the same, the same cycle, I mean, radio has become completely homogenized. It's 20 minutes of commercials per hour. It all comes out of Gillette or some of these other playout systems DJs are just I mean, shoot, we got the chat GPT DJs eventually in Oh, that's

as this is a good quote. You posted that Vanity Fair article. Pretty good. dumb money is gone.

Yeah, it got some point some valid pushback. Actually it was I think Spurlock made me laugh the loudest. So the title of the article in Vanity Fair is on a second. The title is the dumb money is gone is the podcast boom going bust. And Spurlock replies, the dumb money isn't truly gone until Vanity Fair stops writing above average good. That was pretty good.

Okay, that's a good point. By the end of that article, I thought it was I thought it was was good and depressing at the same time. He says, I want to see I think, I wanted Heidegger's had Heidegger, I had decanters, I don't know how to pronounce his name. I wanted his thoughts as someone who had just launched a podcast company at the very moment, when it's starting to feel like maybe the party's

pretty much been been hollowed out all the way.

You can't, it's you can't conceive of a way to target people that doesn't already exist, right? But,

but also, it doesn't fix the core problem. The value flow, everyone has to benefit. You can't We can't go back and say, All right, podcasts have the right, you've got money. Again, we've got ads running, but no one else in the system gets some of that value. And I want to really, we need marketing and advertising in our life. No doubt about it. You need to be able to find out about products and services. But that homogenized system of veils and filling slots is boring is

Yeah, and we have been working on I've been talking to Alex a little bit privately, about, about what to do with channels. And we just we discussed OPML versus RSS, primarily around how it's gonna relate to pod pink. But by the way, pod ping dystopias coming on board with POD ping, nice. We've got you know, red circle came on board with POD pain. We have another host that I was asked not to talk about this a large host is going to come on pod being I think he's just

well, you know, we need I'll just say it right now. We need an MPSP. Music podcasting Standards Project. I'm not kidding. I'm not gonna you need, you need the same thing. And it actually solves a lot of problems. Because it's very

serious.

I'm very serious. Thanks for thinking I'm always i That's

a no, no, no, no, you said, I mean, like podcast, podcast, Anders project, and then a music podcast. And

the reason they can be part of the, you know, it's a subgroup or whatever it is, but instead of having to explain to people how you shoehorn music into the podcast, namespace, etc. Yeah, you just have a group that says, Oh, you're a musician. Here's how you do it. Here's how it works. Here's the minimum that you're a hosting company that wants to you you have a music community. Here's what you need to do here. And by the way, that should be the wavelength guys and and, and

Yeah, and I didn't know what you mean. Because yeah, that's a good point. Because you have sort of the podcast, let's just say, you know, Kevin and Tom and Todd and, and Mike Caden and AKs guys and transistor and all these these hosting companies, they're their podcast no focused she really Debbie they I don't know that they have the bandwidth or the or the will but I fight and

nominate, nominate Steven b No, he's he he understands already he's weighed in you know put blueberry in there and and who all who was put off put some music guys in there. You need to obfuscate all the all the all the technical stuff push that day and then and those in those two groups coordinate and we just keep running with scissors and creating cool shit that works

well they could if if a podcast standards subcommittee

steering committee

the steering committee if the steering is the podcast music standard steering committee wants to you know form this this document this is okay for a track is this yes a channel is here's here's how you do it. Yeah, well then that could be that could be something that the podcast standard project could adopt. Yeah. As a as a proposal as or as you know

know that fully formed easy to give away.

Yes. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. So we will give we will officially give the podcaster Android project if they want it we will give them pimps.

Perfect. That is very excited. We have all the pieces we really we have so many piece Abel Kirby put him make. And by the way, we need to somewhere in here in we are for the lit crew, which is which is eventually going to be a part of the podcast Standards Project. I'm sure you know, we need the IRC wizards. You know, look at it, look at all this great stuff. I mean, I personally think every hosting company should have their own IRC lip server, with ISO bot and all

that hit the hit the nail we get a decent namespace target to hit the thing.

I'll be hitting the thing.

And now it's time for some hot namespace talk.

By the way, we have a you have a note on pod Casting next on social from Notre Dame Jennifer of the pimp DB who says no. You were here shaking my head.

Oh, is that what SMH means? Yes. Okay. I've never know what that means. Yeah. I'm sorry. Damn, Jennifer. I deserve every bit of that scorn

kind of. Yeah.

The I forgot why hidden while I wanted you

to talk about the namespace we were talking about, about the IRC, or the Bruce bot.

Yeah, but I had a specific one. I can't remember what it was. Well, I've got I've got others back. Man. I can't believe I dropped.

Oh, hold on. Let me I'm gonna prove you are remembering you are remembering you are remembering you are

because I closed a task. Oh, I remember. Okay, okay. The closed some. I'm trying to be very careful about closing issues because last time the first time I closed an issue, the French got furious.

You started off riots in Paris.

Yeah, guillotines, security came out. Yeah, yes. As Benjamin Bellamy said, I do not. I said I quote, I closed the issue. And I said, I'm closing this is it looks like this is resolved now. Posted says this is not resolved. I was like,

okay, with americanas is not reserved?

No, it was a clearly not resolved. So I've been trying to be very judicious about closing issues as they get moved. So I've only closed a few. But the the one I did today was about chat. And so Steven B had a long time ago. You know, he came up with this idea of

I saw this quote this closed issue, by the way. And I went in to look at it to understand what you had done. Yes, I got it. Go ahead.

Yeah, so like that. That's where this idea of a chat attribute on the live item tag came from? Haha. And so that that's like, you know, it's always it's always been, it serves this purpose, but only but it's only to open up a web UI. Because you have no, you have no idea what this thing is. I mean, this chat URL could be, it could be anything. So we really need a formalized way to do chat. And I think it's

Right? Yeah, that's what I saw you put in there. Yeah.

Yeah. Because I mean, this social interact is a great is an elegant solution. It, you know, you define the define some key attributes and the protocol that you know, what protocol is going to be and you're good. I mean, it's very, it's very simple, elegant way to do it. Nothing, that it just

me I just like the fact that we're doing a chat app just as perfect. As perfect. Yeah.

Yeah, there's, I mean, in a perfect world, you would you would say, you know, hey, IRC is not is not it's not great for lots of reasons. And so you would go for with a new one, but I'm not I don't know if we can because there's just going to leave so many existing stuff behind. So I think we're gonna have to support both. But but that's what the that's what the discussion is for. Yes. What's the where's my Oh, yeah,

Oh, yeah, I'm very opinionated about that.

Okay, so let me lay it out. So the idea there is you, you have a bunch of people on your splits. And some of them, specifically the fee based providers as just just them off the top. You say, Okay, well, I'm paying for this service. I don't want a do or do not want them to see the booster gram messages. And so you there would be an Andrew and additional

Well, obviously, if the default is everybody gets a message. I'm okay with it. I think it's a very small set of people who who think that's important. I have reversed my opinion, I'm open to change. I thought this all of this that fountain was doing initially, with the booster grams kind of showing up a bit like comments. I thought that was bad. I thought it would hurt us. I completely was wrong. I repent.

But you put tick tock on your phone. Oh, I

did. I was dangerous. Well, it's graphene OS and it's kind of sandbox. But as it came to tools, if we talked about this two week, probably didn't talk about two weeks ago. So I was just looking at the tools that tick this is why I think tick tock is kicking everybody's ass besides the fact that they, their algorithm seems to be Hey, I'm gonna put everybody who loves each other over here because they all agree

And he went you went viral on tick, I went super

viral. I'm talking eight 900,000 views 1000s of comments also on YouTube. Millions of views on YouTube. What's the difference? On tick tock. They suppress dissent. It's like everyone's just like oh great, brother. I love it. God is good, you know, or whatever. You can't imagine how great the this These comments were. No one's pushing back. It's all fan fabulous. Can't wait, you know, all the things you would want to hear on YouTube. On YouTube. It's like

it's not. It's not one tick tock. It's like It's like 800 Mini tick tock.

Yes. So an advertise like, oh, I want to sell my shoes. I want to sell them to people on the left and people on the right. Magic Johnson famous who said this? And when I'm sorry, Jordan. And so you can you can message to people on the right hey, right, right, right thinking people. Here's my shoes. And no one on the left is going a man that shit or your shoes are no good. You're selling to people on the right. And the people on the left, go, Hey, left people. Here's some

This was true. This is a fascinating, psycho psychological thing here. Because when you when you when you segregate these communities, to where they can only hear their own voice. They're happier. And they and they don't know that they're supposed to be mad.

Yes. And as a business, it's working very well. Now. Make no mistake, centralized media, social media is a bad idea. Regardless, bad idea. It's much better if you have a feed. And it's reverse chronological order. By the way, I'm going to say it, I'm going to put it right here I have it on my nose noster there's something to it. There's something to noster that cannot be poo pooed. I am. I'm from the future. I have identified things in the past. I'm usually 10

And I did not I didn't know this. This is this is a very this is very interesting. I didn't know that they actively suppress dissent.

I don't have proof. But I haven't gone viral twice. I saw the difference on two different platforms.

I don't know that. I mean, I think the proof is the observation because you what other what other social media platform ever would you not see any opposing views? I mean, like that awkward. Yeah. That just almost can't it almost, is either they're actively either it's an act of suppress suppression of dissent, where they're doing something like looking negative. Yeah,

I think it is. And the reason why pastor Jimmy is the one who pointed this out to me. He said, the people who are always the people who are going to push back on you as a Christian the most are Christians, the Christians or you're not worshipping right, you know,

and that is 100% true.

And so that did show up on YouTube, but not on tick tock. So somehow, even the people who are in the group didn't we're not, did not surface to me. With you're doing it. You're doing it wrong.

Yeah, that hasn't been under some sort of suppression. I mean, we know that there's sentiment, and there's like sentiment scoring. I mean, that that NLP processing that's been around for a long time where you have like, sure you can feed it some text and it'll spit out is this negative or positive? mean that it's, it's been around for a long time and is really accurate? Yes, this is a negative. So then you can very easily just say, well, we're just gonna hide, throw

also why you have Bozo filter. This is also why I have never built an I can almost articulate but I've never believed in podcast recommendations. Because that, by default requires a very centralized system that knows a lot of things about you. And that's kind of the opposite of what podcasting is podcasting. Now, I think it's a great place to find podcasts currently, he's on tick tock. Know, we get a lot of people Hey, man, someone posted a clip of no agenda on

I'm glad you're talking about glad you brought this up. Because just like, I've been thinking about this a lot discovery. Discovery is not a, it's not a flat thing. What I mean is, it's not like an own off. You don't you don't go you don't just you, you don't go into discovery mode. There's a there, it's more like there's like a pressure to discover discovery. It's sort of, there's something that's pushing you over the threshold into discovering a thing. So I know

disagree with you a little bit. Really? Yeah.

I mean, I thought I was I mean,

no, no. Well, I just want this one thing. The difference is the activity feed on on fountain. When I see a Dave Jones boost show up in the air for a podcast. I know Dave Jones, but no one else the app doesn't know I know Dave Jones, I see this activity feed I scroll through it. Now what's going on, you see what's going on, or I see a clip or something like that by other people. When I see Dave Jones has boosted an amount of SATs to a show. I want to listen to the show. It may

I can see that's almost like bringing in a it's almost like bringing in an external was you it was it was you? Yeah, no, I'd like you're like I'm paying for it too. And it's like, I mean, I'm actually there's like a double when that's like your that's okay, well, that that's actually I think fits into the pressure model. It's so because you're you're being sort of overwhelmed into a sense of discovery that

Exactly. If you had made a clip, it would have been just as interesting to me or if there was a comment that surface as long as I know that you and serendipitous, right, as long as I know that. Oh, that's Dave, he did this. Oh, that's interesting. I'm going to check it out. Now other ways I discover as you say, Hey, Adam, check this podcast out.

And so I think discovery most often happens with something like like, this would be a scenario. You are listening. You're listening to some old music you're listening to some Jerry Reed we talked about Jerry Reed he listened to that he was Moses and you liked you get you're getting it. You're getting into it. And then you are like, I wonder if there's any podcasts about Jerry Ray, like, I would like to know more about his life or whatever. before. Before you know it, you

free, you know, and found and you can follow people?

Yeah, yeah. But the, but if there are people you don't know, it's not the pressure may not be

there. Oh, there's zero pressure? Of course not. No, yeah. No, but I'm just saying it's not like YouTube or Tik Tok. Where you know, where it's very short, the throwing stuff in your face or trying things out there checking out what you're scrolling? I mean, yeah, that's a recommendation engine, which, which is not appropriate for podcast. Now, here's the number one way I get new listeners. Know, there's two ways. One is, I saw you on Joe Rogan talking about your

I don't you're not even on Spotify.

We're not even on Spotify. We purposely not funny. Yeah, we went 850,000 unique listeners as per op three. built over time, of course. But people will send in messages like, Hey, I got hit in the mouth by so and so by so and so by someone. So there's a feedback mechanism where they can tell us and we repeat that on the air, of course. But that's just smart programming. You can't fix everything with a tag and technology. Some of it is know what the hell you're doing on the podcast.

It's yesterday, this I'm sure we probably need to Thanks for people's good for well, but but I do but I want to say this with regards to the podcast, Anders project. And their role as advocates, if I understand that role correctly. I would suggest strongly advocating directly to advocating slash agitating Call it what you will directly to Apple and Google or the Android platforms directly to these platforms for the things that are fundamentally needed. And

funny you say that we all know who the people are because pod news reports on them daily. We know we know exactly who the people are in charge, it changes a lot. We know exactly who's in charge. I completely agree. We have their names. If we add their names, we can probably find their their phone their phone number. And before we get into thanking people, I would like to advocate once again that someone helped Courtney Kocak. thinks I pronounce your name. Yes. As a

I mean, this is that's money

in the bank. The bank someone has to go help and she's got a Twitter. Now Rob Greenlee apparently didn't reach out. I gave him first dibs. Don't make me go to Steve leaves and make him do it.

Rob doesn't like money. Not a money.

Let's thank some people. Let's thank the people who have diligently been boosting during this late night board meeting. And we really appreciate all of you being here. Who were in the chat room. Blueberry, the most recent one one minute ago. With 33,999. He sends a link and of course I am foolishly going to open this link to an mp3 file to see what it is. And it's loading let's see. Seems to be a pretty big file. I don't know what is the Lord. Oh, it's crunching the

Holy cow. How did you get that out in the middle of nowhere?

Texas brother, Texas. Big pie. everything's bigger in Texas. Don't you know that?

I mean, I'm in downtown and

2222 from Nathan G alternative to a default podcast app on iOS podcasting. 2.0 apps could provide a way to sync subscriptions, progress play states between apps. Okay, blueberry with a 33 666 with another. Another link Dave, there's a Tiktok for everything he says. And then he sends in a 6666 the boardroom needs at least one goat. Okay, and it's 33,330 I'll give you a goat. Okay, he wants to hear a goat and a 33,333 Where's my goat? I gotta go to here somewhere.

back cold winter jarka That comes Caroline's monkey it's hungry again. Running with Scissors on needles. Yeah

okay I'm familiar with

Guy airline I know the debate and one of them is dead now. I knew that Depeche Mode guys pretty good ladies. Let me see. I think that's Mike Dell 21,000 SATs pre show. busco podcasting.

Thank you,

Mike. And

me see then we have tone wrecker. 4321 bummed to miss the board meeting chat room this week after last week's break. We'll we'll catch the recording while watching our high school robotics team compete this weekend. They did qualify now to attend world finals in Houston next month. Let me hear your holla Nightcrawler Holla Holla Holla

no I've got a Marco Arment it $500 And

pay pal Hello everybody

Wow Sakala 20 hit play on am Paula Thank

you Marco always appreciate appreciate your support of the index and the work we do. Oh hold on a second. I'm sorry. Did I How did I miss this? Mr. Robot just came in with his first live boost. Thanks for the love of my life Mr. Robot for the help. Oh, anonymous I'm sorry. My first live was thanks for the love of my life. Mr. Robot for the help go podcasting. 100,000 SATs.

Sakala 20 is Blaze on him.

That's the love of Mr. Robot's life. All right. Well, Johnny works.

Word that is an entrance into the boardroom.

That's a you just barging into the boardroom with?

With a with a four pack a turbo Buzzsprout? Also $500

Sakala 20 blades on the Impala. Yes, thank

you. Congratulations to you. To to you guys for sticking with that podcast understanding and putting it together. Yes. That is not an easy thing to do.

Get in the way politics is not easy.

Yes, not and just get just getting. And getting five people on the same page is hard and much less 15 or 22 group. Thanks, guys. And while we're while we're there, fountain, Oscar marry $200. Man,

we are just Blaze laminate this value for value it works.

And, and I have a will get this whatever this mystery 502 At five o'clock at 5:02am in the morning is. I don't know if this is some sort of a joke. But I will find out what this problem is and fix it on the API.

Oh, and and I just want to thank everyone who's who's supporting us this week over the past two weeks, Dave and I actually had to pay taxes.

That was not fun. But it was

not fun. So we appreciate you filling it out. Because you know, even though we don't take money out of the index for anything, we do pay taxes over everything that comes in Yeah. So

I don't know if it's this way in other countries, but in in the US if you have a partnership, you the income from the business goes, Pat is what they call passes through to directly to your personal return. So it's like you made it's like you made all of the money that the business made. Even though that money is not in your bank. It's in the hands of business. Yes. So your that tax bill is not fun, but

we thank you. You've helped us with that.

I've got guests who this is somebody gave us $100 Okay, and this is an this is somebody this is I want you to guess

while you're getting any hints no Just someone I know.

personally know it someone's been he's been on the show though. And he writes an app I the podcast

Franco? Yes. Yeah.

Sakala 20 is blade on I am Paula

has automatic baby. Yeah,

the reason I did that the reason I said I wanted you to guess, is because you have this uncanny ability to guess stuff like this with with almost no information. No, you know, you have this gift right? Yeah, I guess I heard you do this for years where? Where somebody will say, you know, we're John will say, a guest this and it'll give you hardly any information to go on. And you will nail it.

Yeah. Or come pretty close. Come pretty. I don't know how you. I don't know, either. I don't know. But you said when you said app, I'm like,

it could have been so many people miss Steven B. Could have been Martin could have been Jason from

I don't know why. And I don't know. It's neural networking, because Casta Matic was also pretty high on the list of transactions recently. He's wired into it and I guess I guess I don't know. It's crazy. I'm sorry. It's talent. They're raw.

That was a click Beatty, you know, mere mortals pie. We're going to submit your graphs caring for the mere mortals podcast 2222. He says, fuck it. I'll step up and try this out. You've mentioned the V for V consultant idea before Adam and if the guy who runs the V for V podcast won't do it, then who will? Ah Oh, Aaron's gonna dip his toe There you

go, man. She's at Courtney Kocak on on Twitter. And I replied to her so you can find it from my timeline and just tell her I sent you

the pod father sent you Yeah,

she's ready for it man. She just needs a little bit of help and look listen to the content listen to the content. It's stuff that people will boost they'll boost

Oh, I like that. This is this is a very appropriate the chyron would take this mantle V for Vega.

Yeah, what a great great great guy. Go go go go.

Gene mean 1337 lead boost he says having my deviated septum thanks made me so much healthier. Dave Dave's health podcast is what this is. I like this. Okay. So, Jean bean again. 1337. He says, I vote to keep the dollar amounts in the charts, Dave. Okay. All right. We'll keep it we'll keep it. Karen again. 20 To 22 pieces. And Aussie swear a lot in general. Or at least use a fair bit of slang that's just British crudeness. A try typing in Australian prude in Google and

Thank you very good.

froze ear at 80 8080. He says, Janet Yellen sounds like a female Verner Hertzog floored Jo Jo W. Sasha Richards. No, no, thank you, Joe. Thank you Joe Clark in my buddy 25,000 SATs, he says octogenarian kleptocratic oligarchs are looting the system in the collapse stage of the US Empire. Mid wits who failed up because of a broken system and money thank God for Bitcoin the orange pill that is also a white pill. Boost boost boosts right

nice

as a good note, Brian mozzie 33 333 through fountain he says double check the tally coin a donated on chain March 12 Boost Oh,

I will check on will check um she says March 12.

Well, that would have been before that one before I last show.

Did I read?

I think I have a feeling I read that.

Yeah, I think you read it. I remember you talking about about mozzie I think he really wants

to take it sweet sweet time to load. Oh, here it is. Tally coin. Let's see. March 12. No, that was that was Drib No, no testing tally coin was Drib be Mossy. 48,865 And that was March and I was positive. I think I meant mentioned but if not thank you again. Thank you again. Yes, thank

you. Color Mona 6969. Through fountain and he says saying a YouTube video is a podcast is like saying a comic book is a TV show called mana sir Libra moon.

I totally agree.

Ahlborn Citadelle 50,000 SATs and he says boost boost. Oh, here we go. Chris last. Chris from Jupiter broadcasting 222,222 sets

Sakala 20 is Blaze on I am Paula.

Wow. Thank you. Thank you, Chris.

He says, Hey, gentlemen, some good news. Linux fest northwest, the best and largest open source community event in the country is back in October after COVID break. I'm putting the word out that we're hoping to get someone in the podcast in 2.0 community to hold a talk call for papers is open now details at Linux Linux fest northwest.org. It's like a party. Hey,

are those guys doing live shows? Yeah,

I don't think so. I think they're, they're zeroing in on it though.

Because I can just imagine I listen to their to their show often, frequently, and I haven't boosted in a while but yeah, but man if I was listening to a live show, it's it's made for boosting live. No, it totally would have been total fun with it.

Thank you, Chris. Appreciate that, bro. Oh, Roy scheinfeld Yeah, 54321 no note. He just says podcast. index.org

Whoa,

whoa, okay, well,

how you doing booster. Thanks,

Roy. I got a call Roy.

Let's see. I've got I've got a double delimiter here. So I'm just gonna read the first delimiter from comic strip blogger. 30 3015. This was the shortened delimiter from last week. God says how do you Adam and Dave since Adam wanted me to boost also when you don't have a show that you actually said that?

Here's a commission blogger always lets us know if if he got if all the splits work, which I appreciate he does it for for carrying the keeper as well. Okay. And he says, Hey, are you guys doing the show or not? And I want to know if I should do so I said, I think I said Well, you know the server's still work while we're while we're even though we don't have a show. And you took that to heart and I appreciate that. Appreciate it, man. Thank you.

Okay. He says it's just a funny way to say it. Since Adam wanted me to boost also when you don't have this week. So here it is. Yoast.

Thank you combinator blogger.

Thanks. ESB. 6969 from a citizen. Blessings to you saviors of the universe. Maybe not the universe, maybe podcast. Macintosh 20 103 found in and he says Eurodollar University is a great podcast. Okay. It's not a podcast. Oh, wait, it actually it is a podcast. I think he does have a Python is good. But I watched it on YouTube. You're right Macintosh, I hope noster

Oh, so you can boost back up somebody?

Okay, on a completely different thought. Could we get returns and planted in boosts? I would love to be able to have separate paragraphs. Oh, man. Oh, well, that

depends what app you're using. Yeah. And

you've and remember Macintosh, you've only got a very limited amount of message space. Yeah,

yeah. Yeah, that but I do find that a problem as well. When I use I think almost any, any app. Except curio casts or because it's a web based. There's no spellcheck. There's no no autocomplete of like, you know, I'm you have to put in the apostrophe yourself. Yeah, yeah, I understand. I understand the problem, but yeah, it's limited space to true

Yeah, you were the TLV piggybacks inside the onion. In the lightning payment. Hey, baby,

can I can I put my T O V on your onion? I piggyback my TLV on your onion.

There's seven millimeters of bone. So yes, he says have some paragraphs he says go podcasting. Yes, I hear ya podcast 8008 Boob donation from our Davis 87 He says in the morning gents ITM love see love the stet talk please defrag me Oh,

that for a while. You got it.

Sir. I think that strips got Little one, Sir Michael 10 case that's 10,000 SATs he says where's the new episode? I need my Friday fix upon namespace talk real time might start listening to more net casts.

Sorry we weren't here. We weren't here. No, don't

do that. Jay Moon 5033 He says at work on a Friday night it's just not the same without the boardroom meeting from earlier library.

Same for me. I missed it too. I was doing it. I miss doing it.

I love sushi. 1000 SATs through cast semantics is test boost from CAST Matic Well, I love sushi.

Yeah, she is boosting a lot and boosts other shows as well. Thank you. I love sushi.

Nicholas be 58 50,000 says ooh, Nicholas says boost

got it boost.

Just listening 1000 SATs and just listening says GE Griffin in the Creature from Jekyll Island, quote, Secrets of the temple was critical of the Federal Reserve because of its failures. But according to greater these were not caused by any defect in the system itself. But were merely were the result of economic factors which are so complicated that the good men who have struggled to make the system work just haven't been able to figure it all out. But don't worry, folks, they're working on it.

That's streaming I'm sure they are.

I I agree. Oh, he has a follow up here he says this is post quote he says that is exactly the kind of powderpuff criticism which is acceptable in our mainstream media. Dave I'm slowly working my way through 60s at the temple and I'm loving the occasional tidbits when you mention it maybe we could hear roundup of your thoughts when I'm reading it

yeah exactly. Make us make us all completely into Unix

the I agree in this like I'm not reading it for incredibly harsh criticism of the Federal Reserve it's really history to me like I want to hear what was going on at the time from somebody who was there get a little pig militant but ya know there's I'm sure that's fair. C dubs one on one a one binary boost he says I say boosted boosted good things to say sir looks a lot 1337 lead boost he says oh Lord, bass haze

Wow.

So let's see seeing this. Yeah, we're actually looking at it now. 1-234-567-8588 gifts 1234567 I get eight.

Okay, we'll see. Let me try to skim the low because this too much is like like seven paragraphs of material here. The folks at Jupiter broadcasting are killing it right now. And

beautiful Borlaug.

No this was Sir lurks a

lot. Oh, because Borlaug did this how many how many was each boost?

1337

Oh, okay. I'm sorry. Alicia booth. Yes, got it, got it got it.

The hitless peer tube that you could spin up on a $5 virtual host in the cloud and minutes on demand. The implications of this are truly monumental. hitless peer tube is what he's saying, yeah, if you can automatically spin up peer to peer. It's also

a good show title, headless peer tube, headless

periods. If you can automatically spin up peer to peers in data centers in the geographic regions, where they're most needed during a live show you have a real viable alternative to relying on platforms like YouTube with their massive content delivery networks, you can spin up your own lightning infrastructure. Light infrastructure on demand.

I'm sure looks a lot might want to do his own podcast.

Yeah, that's what Yeah. So this two lane are working on become if you can't support JB directly, they consider supporting projects like peer to mean, I agree. They're doing great stuff. And all that is. I mean, it's just so important as talking about office hours, okay, so office hours is the show that where Chris over there goes into sort of like the back, the back end. That's a good show. Yeah. And I gotta do I think people should listen to that. Yeah, thank you,

But he has seven times 10,000 SATs or eight times 10,000 steps 80,000 says what really love that and then I just got a boost coming in 3333 Dave forgot to read my second fat booster gram. I haven't forgotten it's coming. I know if we're doing it in order CSB. He's up early. He's up early or late.

Let's see. Okay, you already got tonne Rick or you got Mike. You got less. Yep. All right. So we're good. We're good there. Did CSB this there's the delimiter Yep. 30 3015, DJ and AC. Your magnanimous approach to the field of podcasting propels the medium beyond stratospheric popularity. Let the in five in be cut to death by the shattered shards of the glass ceiling you blast through each week. There in the remnants of your wake, you'll find AI dot cooking podcast, a podcast documenting

So CSB does the as has really been, and I don't know if he writes it or, or Gregory Forman writes it I accused him of using chat GPT which he adamantly refutes. But his boosts have been so I mean, it's every single show, every single show I do. Now Tina even said, I'm gonna listen to this damn show. I'm gonna listen to AI doc cooking. I gotta listen to it. Now. I don't know if she has yet but she threatened to. So those are and we have some monthlies. Maybe.

Yeah, that is called that is the biblical strategy of the baker going and beating on the door until you come to the door. And so,

yes, it works. It works. It works. It works.

We do have some monthlies. We've got Trevor from Xena where if $5 Paul Erskine $11.14 Michael Gagan $5 Charles current $5 Shawn McCune $20 Thank you, Sean James Sullivan $10 cone glotzbach $5 Christopher Raymer $10 Jordan Dunnville $10 Lesley Martin $2 Michael Kimmerer $5.33 Dred Scott the Bruce Wayne of podcasting $15 Aaron Renaud $5, and Pedro gun calvess $5.

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Somebody somebody needs to hire Stacey goers. She lost her job.

I sent her a message today. Yeah, I did too. I didn't quite I mean, we know where I didn't quite feel comfortable enough by saying hey, you should help this. This woman out with with private parts. I don't know where

Karen's got that one in the bag now but I

did say hey anything we can do she said she got a lot of people from the podcasting community reached out to her which is always nice it shows course because it is a community and connection is production. People got it. We got to stick together because we're always under assault from somewhere.

So she you know, she was our man on the inside that NPR data at a headache at NPR than at a gas. Yeah. Yeah. So she's never actually stayed anywhere long enough to see that to see 2.0 Produce fruit. So when cash is gonna bail? She No, no, I'm saying like she was at NPR was a big advocate for 2.0. And she left him with a cast before that came to fruition. Yeah, I know. And then the same thing here some of our hope a cast follows through on their yes on the journey PSP.

Exactly. And if anyone's, you know, Stacy that she's at Stacey on podcasting, next on social if you're looking for it, reach out. All right, brother Dave, you know, almost well, actually two hours on the nose. Not bad for this board meeting. I'd been in much longer board meetings that were a lot less fun.

It's almost time for my next round of Tylenol.

Tylenol and your beef milkshake. Yes.

I've already been milkshake to myself to death today. Filled with beef

feel better brother. I'm sorry. Thanks for Thanks for coming to the coming to the board meeting despite the fever and all that get some get some rest fluids, etc.

plenty of fluids. Yep, some. Some, some love some love. You've got an issue.

Okay. All right. All the love baby. I love you so much. All right. Have a great weekend, brother. We'll talk to you next week to everybody else. podcast 2.0 The board meeting. Thanks for attending. See you next week right here

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