Episode 125: Wolf Nuts

Oh, casting 2.0 for March 10 2023, episode 125 We got wolf nuts. Well, no SAP streamers, welcome to podcasting 2.0 Your weekly board meeting of everything happening in podcasting. Of course 2.0 means we've upgraded that and fully backwards compatible. And we're also fully immune from Silicon Valley Bank contagion. That's right. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of Texas Oak Hill Country. And in Alabama, the bud for your bowl say hello to my friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. De

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Yeah, we had a rather sudden we had a conference call before the show, like we you know, like we do often. And it was read. It was rather subdued in very, like, low energy to him like it was so like, the energy was sapped out of me.

It was super. I mean, I think we can talk about it was nothing secret about it was on one hand, it was kind of kind of nice. I know I think about it. It was kind of weird, because I had asked for this conference call about five months ago. No, no, maybe? No, maybe December, something like that. It was a follow up with with the Pocket Cast, folks.

And just to check in and see what's Yeah, what's going on? Yeah. And

they had Matt Mullenweg on, which is nice. And but you know, since they reached out after such a long time, they're like, yeah, yeah, let's do to do a call. And then they were all kind of waiting for us to say stuff. And we're waiting for them to say stuff like, well, let me tell you what we're doing that. But I mean, is it even known that they're working on implementing the namespace? Is that was that public knowledge? And I just missed that.

I don't know. It was kind of surprising to me, too. There was a lot of stuff that didn't seem to.

We didn't. We didn't know about. Yeah, they know a lot about stuff that we don't know about, which is Oh, that's interesting. Also, the I think the young lady who's in I guess she didn't charge her pocket cash. She the project director sounded like it. Yeah, I think she is. She she's in Vegas. So she was at, at the Vegas podcast show. So maybe she was talking. We know, she was talking a lot of people there.

It sounded like she met up with like, Sam and the gas from Alby and contracts and all that, yeah, she,

they're, they're kind of pumped about value for value. I'm not sure how pumped they are about it, but they definitely like it. But they're doing chapters about transcript support chapter support. This is cool stuff. I love hearing this. This is a big, big app to that to join all this stuff. So that's fantastic.

She said they're a part of that podcast standards group that we don't know.

We have no idea who's running it. But she's like, we're really excited about joining the podcast standards group. Oh, really? Okay, who

else is taking a little off my feet? Because I'm like, I don't need you. It sounds like you know more about it than I do. Which, you know, honestly, is kind of exactly where I want it to be.

Yeah, I think that's perfect. If there's a group that's being started, which I would presume is kind of a follow on from, from a previous meeting where hosting companies came together that they're, they're doing something so they can all be on the same page that we love that I love. I love us running with scissors and being crazy, which is exactly what we told them. Okay, yeah, no, that's great. It's whatever the hosting companies want to do is fantastic. We want to run with

that we want to we they get to look at all that they get to look at all the stuff that we've done and decide which parts are insane and which parts are actually usable for a business.

Yeah, well, I think they're almost all usable for business. Yes. I don't know. Maybe it's just cartel forming. I don't know. Maybe, maybe they're just cartels. We can show them for Rico, Rick?

Bizarre. Yeah, that's a tie. And towards the Tsar.

And we talked to him about cross app comments and activity pub. And I guess they they they are doing stuff with activity pub now. With the with the WordPress plugin

Yeah, I think he said that. They acquired it. Acquire Yeah. That plug in or something. Yeah. Which I know some horror folks have used. Yes. Yes. Sounds like they're they're moving and a lot of it was in once. It was nice to have the the meeting because then it's like, we got to realize what they all they were doing that we had no idea about. Yeah. So I felt kind of like halfway through the meeting. I'm like, well, well, yeah, y'all are doing all this stuff. We you

thing. No one really does need us. But I liked it. Matt paid attention, enough attention to it that he that he dialed into the meeting. That was cool. And he laughed at our jokes. It's always nice. Always good. Let's make a few make you feel special. I was actually talking about Silicon Valley Bank beforehand, because if you haven't heard the new Silicon Valley Bank, basically was closed down by regulators today. Which if you if you know, I smelled something yesterday, I

Okay, wait, wait, wait. You said it got closed? The last I heard no,

it's close. Like shut it down. It's defunct? It's now a dead bank. Oh,

because? Okay, so the last article I read last read on it was last night, either this morning, or this year, or last night, it said, and it said the CEO was like, everybody stay calm.

Things are safe. No worries where we heard that before. And then they shut it down. Yeah, the regulator shut it down this morning, which means it'll remain closed. It'll I mean, it won't come back. It's a dead bank now. And the reason why that happened, is over the is, you know, they they overnight, they were like, hey, you know, we're trying to raise $2 billion. Anyone interested? And everyone, right? No, we're taking our money out. Because you have to understand Silicon

This had to they had to be the bank for FTX. They had to they were

no they weren't. That's what wired it because the first one that went down to silver gate, and these are official banks, you know, banks that were dealing mainly in crypto, most definitely, Silicon Valley Bank was kind of the darling of all these bigger crypto plays. And so they weren't, they weren't, you know, they were running the money through that. And when FTX closed, I think their exposure was over a billion dollars right off the bat. And then then they

That was a by Nance move is what that was against Silicon Valley Bank. Could he be the first guy to get out? wins? Always. Always you get all your you get all your money. And after that, you just don't even care that this this is gonna get worse because we. So you know, I keep bringing up this book Secrets of the temple.

That yes, that you've been reading, which is the chick repellent?

Yes. It's basically Yeah, it's like, it's the Aquila is the literary equivalent of garlic and across is what it is. So they, but it's, but it's very, very good. And I love books like this, because it was written. It was written in like 1991. So this historical perspective from this completely unpolluted by any modern politics, or, or anything like that there's nobody left, who has a hand who has a vested interest in covering things up really, you know, that there

the problem. And the difference now is the speed at which they raise the rates, what is slipping, like eight rate raises in this past in the past nine months or something, which is incredibly fast. Everyone said, it has to stop at 5%. And this is the Federal Reserve raising the interest rate, but not not the banks. And they and they went over that they just went over that. And that is going to hurt every single bank no matter what, what I'm suspicious of these, and I'm

So there's a difference there though. So they the small banks don't are not under those onerous reserve requirements. But the big systemic banks there's a list of them that are under the so called, like too big to fail system. They're quote unquote, systemic right banks, and those do have they do have requirements. Okay. Yeah. And they're well capitalized by the Fed directly really, I mean, through the through the monitor, you know, through the markets, but there there are,

yeah, but only policy only if the if If the money markets if they if they're functioning, and they've been pretty much in irons, you know, they've been trying to sell treasuries has been very hard to sell treasuries.

What happened in what happened in that effect?

I, by the way, I hate it when you know so much about this stuff, it's really annoying. So stop reading that book.

What happened, then, you know, interest rates kept going up. And they could not make the banks stop lending, because it got in if interest rates were still mortgages were still being taken out at 17 1819 20%. Right? They were labor, they felt powerless to make it stop. And what happened was, it was a psychological human behavior issue. Because the, the, everybody when when inflation really settles into, to the public consciousness, you, you feel like you have to

credit card debt, auto loan debt, I mean, people are dead people live by debt. Yep. And that's exactly right. So the problem here is ultimately, you know, the government bails these these accounts out FDIC, I, someone sent me this, there was, it was the FDIC meeting, and I think it

That's, that reminds me of Lebanon. Yes. Yeah, that sounds Lebanese to me.

Well, the difference is Lebanon, they just closed the banks like It's like alright, your money or like turkey same thing you know, the lira has devalued by 90%. But what they could do here is they could say well, it's still it's still $1 It's just now it's a digital dollar. It's the fed coin, which would function the same way I mean, I'm not sure about the value on the international market but the problem is the control over it you know, they would have complete control over your money

this what's the what's the Netherlands? What's that can that word and then Dutch the conspiracy to the wolf nuts or something like that wolf not what what's what

show title wolf knots? I don't know what

I said what was nuts I think what's the what's the what are some Dutch term that means like some crazy conspiracy theorists that somebody calls you, oh, VP, VP, VP is now is now worth notes. Yes. Perfect.

Wa PPIE VP,

okay, yeah, that's that's the the fatty coin that's the that's the VP VP coin.

Well, I'm all in on that. You know. I would like to see something happen I don't want people to go poor and I don't think we will. But something's got to happen.

What what what's impressive to me honestly, is that in attend to think about this when these things happen, we've had a series of these now these sort of big crypto market failure Oh yeah,

big one things

and what what's kind of impressive to me is that yes, Bitcoin takes a hit. But if you think about it, it's it's not nearly as bad as you think it would be. Like that. I mean, Bitcoin it just tends to have a dent and comes right back. Yeah, sure. Like it's very resilient to whatever this is this going on. Yeah, sometimes it feels and sometimes, especially I read yesterday was the new Biden budget proposal which there's some currently there's some crazy crap in there, but one of

40. To 40%. Sure. Sounds fair. Yeah. But no one unknown who makes under $400,000 We'll get a get will have paid a penny more in tax, which of course, is a lie, because the hidden tax is inflation. Yeah, yeah. And it ends the inflation I'd say is, is maybe even 20% Now, you know, 10% price inflation, and 10% Shrink inflation, translation.

Translation. Yeah, the cans are getting smaller. They really

are. It's noticeable. I mean, I got this I got this Dr. Pepper here, seven and a half fluid ounces. It's still like $18 for this one can I'm telling you it's crazy. What to do with it. We're all gonna die.

I need to buy a whole bunch. I just finished my base milkshake. I need to buy a whole bunch more pouches of that before it before the shrink relation mental contagion. That happens.

But the best, the best part? Wait, did you hear about the Perth Mint in Australia? Oh, no. So they were they were doping their gold. So they sold like 100,000 tons of gold to the Shanghai exchange. And they were putting a little bit extra silver in there. And so now they may have to know Yeah, they may have to compensate by taking that back to the tune of $8 billion.

Are you kidding me? Yes, like pieces of aid type thing all over again. Yeah,

cut cutting off. You know, what were the what they call it. souping back in the blog. Like way back in the day you put your your gold and your silver coins into a bag and you shake it, shake it, shake it, and then little filings would come off of it and you collect that.

Purse mint. That's one of the major mints in the world. It's a

huge scam. I think I have a clip of that actually. Oh, sorry. I

used to have some some.

You I knew you. I knew you're a gold guy.

I used to have three, one ounce kookaburras Have you seen those? That's it? No,

I only had the Cougar Cougar ends I got the Cooper grands got the heads

of Cougar hands. Yeah, you're listening to this was an extraordinary story. Can you first of all tell me why did they dope the gold as it's called? Yeah,

good morning, they were looking 2018 The Perth Mint was under quite a bit of financial pressure. And so they took a decision to dilute or to dope their gold and that basically means that they added tiny amounts of silver into the mix that makes in their gold bars. And this was a really a It's not illegal, but it's a really high risk strategy because it leaves it's

not illegal. I don't see how that was not illegal.

How can it not be illegal?

What else I'll fast forward to the end of this report. 100 tons

of gold to internal staff members had made some estimates they made a estimate that up to 100 tonnes of gold that they had sent to the Shanghai Gold Exchange was potentially below the Shanghai exchange standards and may need to be recalled now. That is $9,000,000,001.7 billion worth of gold.

Now of course that's australian dollar we do so I guess it's what a buck 50 or something it's not it's not a lot of money say

6000

Oh, nice picture of your your Kookaburra Yes, a

pretty coin and it's very bland coin. Yeah, like I can't believe that they did that. What what does that meeting look like by the way today? What's that board meetings? Hey,

we're screwed what can we do Jade All right, and the board meeting? I don't know. And

what if we put some stuff in the gold coins? That's not gold? Oh, what did I do that did Jim has

tungsten for instance. Somehow it made me feel really powerful that what we're doing it's like you know, not just the fact that we don't have that type of here's here's what I was thinking about yesterday when it comes to the adaptation of Bitcoin you have people actually sending off their Bitcoin to other people in a transaction airy fashion you know, it's called a value for value donation or whatever you

Oh, yeah, yeah, but I have a look at dollar cost. You have a bass on every month

but you have no income No, no SATs incoming because our stuff all goes to the index. You didn't show you need another show you either show your show with your wife or something so you get some of your own SAFS

No, I get you have me in like a 1% split I think for the for my hella pad.

All right, right, right, right. Okay, so yeah. So so whatever it is, we get SATs, we send them right back out and then you know, some people use it and send it back to other podcasters other people take it and buy beer for conference goers Okay, fine, fine, whatever. I prefer to keep that

Yeah, cuz it Yeah, I think you're right, because so I was building the charts.

Yes, yes. Yes. I led you right to it, didn't I? You did.

You've led me there. And it was good. I'm glad it was. It was a fun project. It was like a nice little side side gig that I could do that was that was just fun, because I've never done any chart stuff before.

It turned out really good. And I bought a domain domain name for you. Oh, you did not. I did V for v stats.com. Oh, nice. Okay, and it's running as we speak. Okay. V four v stats.com.

I will move the bucket and I'll tell you where to point it. So, the this the charts, initially when I built it right now it's at stats dot podcast index.org/v Four v. And

I have a question right off the bat. Okay, looking at that, because I saw it yesterday. I'm looking at it today. It appears that when it hits midnight, and updates the chart, it starts with whatever has come in for that day. So it this goes up to March 10, which is today and it shows number almost near zero. That maybe you need to compile it at 1159 59

I think I'm gonna have to make it where it where it excludes today. So he starts from, like 24 hours ago and goes yeah, yeah, I just noticed that a while ago as well,

because it looks like oh shit. The Silicon Valley Bank contagiousness. Like it's a very sad chart. I don't like it like this. I don't like it when every single one is like Oh, boo. But even though it was still so by midnight. Now it doesn't it doesn't tell me how many

this it does. If you if you if you hover over the load dot you?

Oh, yeah. 180,081 Yet at midnight? Yeah, that's section and that's actually I like that.

So what's what's pretty nice. I mean, I don't really know how to get an average I can probably, like probably do an average where it would have sold just like this little secondary line running back in the in the background. But most of the time, even on down days, it's still around a million sets. Oh yeah. But then you just have these, these spikes up to three, 3 million sets on a regular basis per day.

That's release days. It's so obvious you can see what day you want to release on when that's exactly what that is. So I'm sure that some of that's our show podcasting. 2.0 I'm sure we spiked the stats I'm sure rabbit hole recap. You know, just look at the fountain Top radio. Yeah, all that stuff spike, it becomes really wild. The thing I requested which you are which you already said it's in the table and that'll get done is

Yes, that's right. Yeah, boosting is training. So here's here's another idea. So I posted this, the link to this on noster because I'm forcing myself to live over there and noster as well. Yeah. And immediately I got back a reply that said, let me see if I can pull it up. Do I get back a snarky reply

go into what exactly did you post?

So I just posted a link to

STATS chart you got a snarky reply

Yeah, so I posted the link to the stats chart and and I got a reply that says so noster still being a baby already outperforms a more settled V for fee put in the for V podcasting quote, industry, unquote. What asshole was that? I don't know somebody named Tony. Anyways,

Tony, this dude named Tony. Okay. He says

anyways, I'm sure nostril will help V for V podcasting reach net Lex next levels in no time. Okay, well, we'll hang around for that. Yeah, so NZ posted a link that shows over to zap life and dot lol which I think is the greatest domain name. And I've seen in a while zap Live dot lol. And it says over the past seven days 15,604,898 SATs have been zapped. Sure. So So he's saying that and then he shows a comparison chart from the V for V stats, this shows

even care about the comparison. But yes, in case we need it. Yes. A better a better better one. Okay.

Yes. So, um, so this is not a, you know, who stuff is bigger contest, because it's to me, it's complete apples and oranges. But, and, and and I don't care. But, but that did bring up a good idea. Which is, it would be nice to see a per listener, a SATs per listener metric, where you say, Okay, how many? Here's the this, this 10,625,629 sets over the last seven days. How many listeners represent how many listeners were sending SAS? What does that how many people were are

Oh, I'm I'm so sure you're right. No doubt about it. What did you send me how you send me more pictures? What is

this? Yeah. So tone records sent send us some shows some album art for this. For this. He

wants us to change the album art. Oh,

no. Further. We wait said last time that.

Oh, that's right. You're right. You're right. I'm sorry. Yeah, we did say that, didn't we? Yeah.

We would take some per episode out more. So he sent us some very pretty.

Let me take a look at this. It didn't show up. And oh, I have to.

It's a collage.

What is a JPEG?

A PNG

is weird. For some reason. It doesn't want to open it nicely for me. Let's see. Use windows. Who the hell knows what Windows doing? Now we go. Wow, it's taking How big is fives if I have nothing? Big. This is weird. Sounds weird.

Okay, well. Let's see. where's the where's the original? I can get it for you. What happened to? I'll send you the zip file that's got all of it in there.

Yeah, because it's sorry, photos can't open this file. It's a format that's unsupported or corrupted.

Oh, well. I'll send it to you after the show. Okay. Yeah. Good. It's very nice, though. It's very

pretty. Well, anyway, I'm very proud of of what I'm seeing here. I mean, so we're looking at a Mmm. dailies have over a million saps well over a million in some cases. I know the other metrics we have, we also have average average payment size, which I think is also a nice one. I think that's actually maybe even a very important one.

You mean like, like, what is the average boost or average stream?

Yeah. Well, I mean, it'd be nice to break it out. Because boost versus streams, you know, that's a difference. But I'll tell you, in most cases, I see. I see more. Oh, that is that's a lot of artwork there. In most cases, I see a larger amount of streaming sites versus the booster grams, the streaming sites are not to be discounted, people are really using that in a very silent way that's kind of crept up. It's gotten pretty, pretty big.

Let me tell you this, I forget about it. And I forget, I get so used to boosting to show that how much I love the show that that I forget about the streaming sets. And then every now and then I'll look. I'll be listening to a show for a while. And then my wallet will run out.

And how did that happen? Why didn't lose that much. I've had that happen to?

And then I think oh, well, that's actually sent quite a bit. So it makes me feel better. Because I'm like, Oh, I don't have to remember. You know, I just I just know I'm always by just just by listening, I am supporting What's

your default? 100. My default has been 200 for a long time.

200 sets of man, what does that come to about? Like for an app per hour?

I don't know. I just, I just like to number. Yeah, I really don't know. When I run out. I just look at what do I have some shop somewhere else? I'm sure I can fill it fill up a wallet from somewhere. No, it's it just feels good. It feels like it's all kind of coming together. I really like it. And did Sam announced his pod fans thing is that the

big news and I was thinking something like that. Maybe he was going to be some big news, but I didn't hear anything about it.

And I think he demoed it on stage with the with Albie guys, but I'm not sure exactly. If he released it yet. He may be waiting for podcast, podcast movement, London or whatever. How many of these times are there?

On show London now.

From feedback, I can say that we are saving or creating lives daily as I continue to push back on the pods

will remind me what pod was

pod speeding use disorder. Yes, people who have been speeding up their podcast listening are now slowing it down and finding they're less anxious. Particularly that there's you know, who was it that sent me this? I think it was Chad F I think I don't want to think it was Chad F who said that he has ADHD and then you know, when he thought that speeding up podcast actually helped his ADHD. And then when he slowed it down, he's like, Oh, wow. This is actually better.

Yeah, you think it's when you when you don't like put gas on the fire? I think that would make you in the DSM five. I think you're right or GP? Yeah.

DSM five, it shouldn't be.

I think apps should on occasion. Just rant, just take randomly.

Maybe, maybe, Dred Scott not chata from sorry, I knew I was I knew I was breaking some HIPAA violation there it was. Dred Scott. Yeah, dribs listening. I drive. That's right. Sorry. I didn't mean to give you a disease to someone else.

He the podcast app should just randomly slow it down. I basically do a lockout.

I had an urge during that meeting with pocket cash to say Hey, could you take off you're speeding up because you're killing people. I really I really wanted to say something like that. I had to bite my tongue. I had to bite my tongue.

Your response? This is an epidemic. It is it a crisis?

I think it is a crisis. And really is is not as not healthy.

I want to just while we're tangentially attached to the V for V stats here. I want to explain quickly because I had a couple questions about it. Explained explain how the how we're doing this calculation like what what the 1% stuff is like how how can we know

Oh, how do we how do we how are we able to make a chart? Yeah, right. Yeah.

So what this chart is showing is our best guess as to how many sets are being paid in, in boosts in per streaming. Pay prints on a day each day in the way, the way that we can, the way that we can know that, and I say no in quotes, the way that we can know that is that we have the shim in place for the API. Because so many hosting companies do not support adding a value blog to your feed. So you can go either onboard through founds enter contracts, or Satoshi stream, or add it

really important, which is why we get the three, three threes to 6969 to 1776, all that stuff. And that is magical. But that was put in early.

So the the original amount is always listed in that JSON blob. So that the data is preserved. And therefore we can know, even though we're only getting 1%, which a lot of times it's not even 1%. It's just, it ends up being like one sad Yeah, that we that we get because calculations are hard. And so we may only get one set, but we can see that what was originally sent was 2112, or a million or whatever this this amount was.

whatever. And we don't we don't we're not able to track that.

And what if it was 5 million sets? So we don't and we have gotten the 5 million set boost before from Peter Yes, we have. Those things do happen. So it's very possible that this number is is is low, it's actually very likely that is low. It could be very low, but we do know that it's at least To this much, that's for sure. Because we're not getting anytime we get a split. The devalue went, the transaction took place. So we know that it's at least this much anyway. And

now No, no, no, no, it only it only was fun if you now explain how all the splits work and how you then put a copy, put those all together and then divide them just to go with let's go through that again. That was fun.

Okay, let's talk about what fees are.

I'm just kidding. Stop.

I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

Oh, will we eventually go? Or have you been? Evie, do you have any thoughts on going to a show level and putting out a, like a, like a Top? Top receiving shows without disclosing the number, I would say, but just to show what shows had been boosted the most, or receiving the most payments?

Yeah, I think we can do lots of stuff. I mean, I think the most ince, I guess the most exciting ones, to me initially are just like these raw aggregates, like, how many? How many total sets per day? How many total transactions, SATs per listener, maybe SATs per show, in different tiers this? And then like maybe later on, we can look at the like you said, just we got to make sure at every step that it's highly anonymized. Yeah. Yeah,

I like it. And I think this is very, very cool. I'm digging it. I'm really I'm digging it.

Yeah, Eric, I will put it I will put it open source. It's just super simple. I mean, really, you could right click the page and view source on it. And you're just seeing it all. There's really nothing there. Yeah.

So yeah. So it's an indication that's what we're saying. Because we really, we really don't know what we're missing. We don't know what what payments fail all kinds of stuff. I mean, as always, it's it's running with scissors estimate.

Nathan, Nathan gathright, we just played fee chick and to see who would back out first. It was funny. That was speaking to Nathan, we got unless you got some you know, now go ahead. Go ahead. We need to talk about the update frequency. Okay, are you aware of the update frequency?

I've seen the GitHub was it recommendation suggestion issue, whatever it is. I'd love to hear more.

So the the update frequency. I'm trying to pull the font is post where he links to his new tool here. Oh, there it is. Okay, so it's update dash frequency. Dot versal dot app, which just flies off the tongue. Yeah. is updated frequently on dash

frequency.vs l

ve r c e l dot app? What is

this Marcel app thing? Why why are people using that? What does this thing do? Hmm.

I guess it's some sort of like things like, kind of like, what was that? Was that old thing where you get Heroku? I think it's like,

Oh, okay. I gotcha.

I gotcha. Hosted node service.

Okay, cool. Got it. Yeah. All right. So now I see. Starting on 310 2023 repeating daily, and then what does it give me here?

Yeah, so this, the I'm just read from his from his pull request, it says in spirit of taking platform specific innovations and making them accessible to the open ecosystem, horses, the intent of this proposal is to replicate the purpose of the update frequency field, in Apple podcasts connect, as well as replace the iTunes complete tag for podcasts that have no intention to release further episodes. So straight off straight away. I like it, because you're combining you taking taking the tag

tags. Right, right. Right, right. Okay. Oh, I see what's going on here. So it basically given me the code for this repeat or non repeating frequency update. And then I put that into that tag, and then that tells apps when this updates if it updates if it'll never update, etc.

Yep. See, says under certain conditions or naive algorithms, it can be inaccurate to know to predict future releases. So he says, basically, there is there's a node, the pod the tag is podcast colon update frequency, and there is a node value. The note value is a freeform string, which might be displayed alongside other information about the podcast. Please do not exceed 128 characters. And then your

And this is mainly for who does this benefit this tag?

It benefits aggregators apps. Okay. Because if you know, we'll have the, you know, complete is obvious. Because it's like, okay, well, this Yeah, never, there's never

been, I don't have to pull it out, although it shows kind of a crutch alongside with POD ping.

It could, it could be well, okay, so in relation to pod paying an app like a tag like this, I think there's an implicit recognition that everybody is still going to run aggregators to a certain degree. And if we do we still aggregate Sure. So you know, we have there could be out here, there could be downtime, there could be, you know, just all kinds of reasons,

Well, it's good just to have that, because we want a drop in replacement for the for the Apple iTunes namespace anyway. Correct? Right. That's been your vision.

Yeah, my vision is, we were and we're actually pretty well on our way to replicating it. When I look at at iTunes tags. If you look in the podcast namespace, there's some tags in there, like episode and season, that are also iTunes tags. And my thinking from day one has been, we should we should replace or replicate the iTunes tags. So that eventually, we can sort of do a direct drop in replacement of the podcast

Which we basically did by request for NPR and they never picked it up. Yes. And now and now and now they're bankrupt. Okay. All right.

Great. Yeah. Thanks, guys. Well, Captivate just blew it wide open with all these timing, they just released the flood.

And I love their whole explanation of like, hey, you know, this thing is ready to go. We're doing it. We're just casting everything aside, screw it. And I think, you know, probably blueberry has something to do with that. You know, you know what I'm really loving? Because I do I try to do the triage for podcasts index support, which has increased significantly, but he but I smile every single time I get I get something like this. Could you please remove my show? From

See this happens in tech support with Help Desk stuff to people will come down, like users will come down to the help desk and say, hey, they're looking, they're sort of like looking around looking over their shoulder and they say, Hey, I just want John to know that. That website I just went to that was a total accident. Yeah, I didn't know what was going to be that. And there's this implicit assumption that you're watching everything that they do, and that like it, but

I was, I was amazed by I think you might have sent me this. Or maybe I saw it. Marco posted the general guidelines for Apple apps and content.

And one of those style guide or what yeah,

what did they call it here? Think inclusively research words. So that this is which is fine. By the way, I'm okay with you know, whatever. I don't know if this is the guidelines means you have to do it, or this is just what they recommend. But there's a lot of things. Like, don't describe technology using terms that are inherently inherently violent, like, kill or hang. It's like kill off a process, I got a process it's hanging, don't use terms like master and slave.

I don't understand why you would not why you would encourage people not to use colloquialisms because like when you're learning a second language, the thing that you want to know the most is the is the colloquialisms in the other language you want because that helps you sound native.

Well, transcripts can do just that. Even if the app itself won't chromed I'm just shaming people here.

Okay, and I'm I'm on

Apple on front apple on front.

I behind this move, and now

that we know that Pocket Cast is going to do it who's going to want to be left behind now? Hmm.

Well, just don't say grandfathered in. Allowed.

Did I read that Spotify? I haven't. I'm sure I read this. The Spotify was now supporting chapters but not the not the podcast namespace but where it originally came from? Because it was from a different namespace if I recall.

I don't know what I didn't see that. What do

you remember when we first saw chapters? That's why we incorporated it from the original namespace was a small namespace and don't you remember?

Oh, no, I know what you're talking about. You're talking about pod love the YES,

YES. YES. YES. YES. YES. YES. YES. That's

it for that. I think so. Yeah. No, yeah.

I saw I saw a report about it today. Let me see if I can find it. Because I'm so sure that I saw an article cross my my desk today about that. Maybe just

very few. There's very few feeds that even have that.

Probably why Spotify supports it. What can we do with it? Oh, that'll work. For nobody oh let's use this

yeah well Nathan just linked over to by the way Nathan I just merged your pull request. Oh,

I told you I knew I'd read this somewhere Swiss doc social Okay, what do we have here? Even though there there

are some of these issues Spotify have finally implemented pod lifts and book chapters after having them in their spec for years huh weird

Okay interesting

all right this this the chapter wars chapter wars

Yeah, well, Spotify in general I think doing a Hail Mary but Spotify for podcasters they did not they they finally incorporated the albatross known as anchor into into their system. So we'll see if they what they start to do with that. People seem excited that people who write blogs seem excited about it.

That's an odd move. The why they haven't they Well, they support they support timestamp chapters. In the show notes. They support pod love chapters in the feed. Do Do they support any chapters that are actually de support mp3 chapters?

I don't think so. I have no idea. No, I Yeah.

They seem to be going about this in a very roundabout way. Yeah.

Well as I thought you meant that weird move was the was doing the Spotify for podcasters. I think that that is the only move they had left. Yeah, and I wonder man, I wonder if if, if there's going to be renewal of Rogan. I really wonder? Not from his side. I think he's enjoying it.

But if there's gonna just can't afford him.

Yeah, I mean, will he? Man he, I gotta tell you, Tina and I went to the opening of his his comedy club in Austin. I didn't know he is open at a comedy club. Yeah, it's called comedy mothership. It's the old Ritz theatre. We and it's beautiful. I mean, he's got 250 seats in the main room. And he's got, you know, like a green room and a private bar, and then a little small room. And, and of course, you know, he knows how to how to do VIP stuff. So we got total total blow job all the

It's true, you know, so it's just bootstrapping this thing with himself and he's gonna get bigger artists and and back off. Oh, no,

no, no, no, this is not a bootstrap. This was a success out of the gate. He's got show sold out for months, not not even his own. Yeah, he had Roseanne Barr do a set he had. Tim Dylan, of course, is local boy. But he's got all kinds of now. He's, he's bringing he's bringing the comedians in, is that you know, a lot of the people who work there come from the, you know, from the Comedy Store kind of community, which closed in Los Angeles, which was Mitzi shore,

So they just forklift it to that ILA and dropped it in Austin

the staff but not I mean, it's a comedy club is a comedy club, but this is you know, it's new. It's beautiful. And, and from what I can tell, it's just slamming Nice. So this is no Bootstrap. This is out of the gates success. It's pretty amazing. Well,

that may I guess, I guess the he'll back off at some point and be doing there. Yeah,

gotta back off of something. I just think you know, it's like hey, I'm 58 I'm tired. Imagine this Joe 5455 It's only a few years behind only a few years behind.

Yeah, I was thinking I had written down you know about anchor i don't know i don't know what you know, of course we we knew they would kill the brand because the brand was Yeah, terrible but

but all the deals you know, they're kind of slowing that down if not shutting it down. It certainly wasn't successful the way you know they don't have the numbers to show for it. So maybe they're finally going to go for the recommended strategy is let everybody in you know caught him in on some ad money if you can if you can sell it which I don't think my experience is doesn't work because advertisers just don't want to advertise on on podcast that could not be brand

well, I'm the the see what I had something else we're angry grim mushy here. Oh, yeah, channels. We're gonna talk about channels versus

making sure this is this is one that I I'm not so sure. I agree with the channels. And this is another namespace tag.

I would like to hear your, your idea of what you think channels is and right now?

Ah, that's a good? That's a good question. I think channels are a way to put a collection of podcasts for whatever reason into a single entity or at least to be able to recognize that these podcasts belong to this channel. So that could be possibly like a network, like, okay, these are all the all the cool podcasts that are in my network, and maybe they would also put this channel into their feed. So you can have this kind of cross reference. Is I'm anywhere near the mark?

Yeah, yeah, you're close. Yeah, that's pretty much what the intent is to say, have some facility to say these. Let's just say five feeds actually all belong to the same in entity.

Person whenever we've kind of slipped into something without officially playing. And now it's time for some hot namespace or make sure everyone knows why they're all turned on right now.

We just went right through the beat door, I know. With a left handed cigarette, and then he was stuck. So that's yeah, that's the idea is that you would say, okay, these feeds all belong to either a person or a publisher, whatever. And there's you, you can, I think you could probably imagine various ways to do it. Now, you, you said you have a problem with it, do you have a problem with the technical implementation or just the whole idea in general, and just the

whole idea in general, I mean, I'm not quite sure how it differs from like a record to me, it would be more like a recommendation than a channel a channel just reminds me of a YouTube channel, so I'm just just irks me no matter what. You know, so do I do I put a channel? So these are all my podcasts now, there'll be wildly different. The only thing is I produce them all. So there's may for podcasts? Is that Is that

You can that's, that would be more of a playlist, where you are choosing a bunch of, of different content to put to group together, sort of that's like a play, that would be the playlist. The channel is more of this is all coming from the same producing entity.

And How's it different from the author tag?

Well, the author tag is not always accurate. It's limited. So for instance, it doesn't give an it doesn't give enough granularity. So for instance, in this case, I think the author tag for no agenda says, Adam Korean Jhansi Dvorak, yeah, author tag for this show would say something different. So you really can't associate the two says podcast

index, LLC, I think thank you.

So you, there's really nothing in the in the feed that assists in this happen. I mean, this, this definitely happens. So you have somebody who's like, I just want to I'm gonna listen, I want to listen to all of the shows by

Sure, yeah, yeah, I know exactly what you're talking Okay. In that case, yeah. All right. All right.

This, this would replace that. But you're trying to avoid those kinds of sort of synthetic feeds that aren't real. And there's a few ways that we discussed doing it. You can have you could have it be an external, something external like a JSON file, where this JSON file is referenced by each

who created this proposal?

Kevin from this route, originally, he came up with the idea and then we, we hashed out a few different ways to go on it.

What I would like is I'd like people to implement cross app comments, and then I'll be happy with everything else we want to do. I'm worried that we're getting a little, we get ahead and in the weeds, and everyone's excited about creating new tags, but the implementation is so far behind.

Well, the cross comments is, it's, it's got a life of its own, it's progressing

it very happy to see it on, on the website, but I'd love to be able to just respond in pod verse or anything, and is, am I right? And seeing that fountain doesn't show transcripts? Am I'm just missing where it is.

I don't know if they do or not. I don't let as a question, I do not know the answer to

Okay. So I know it. It. I love all these tags. But I'm also very close to the implementation. Like, okay, when are we going to do certain things?

I guess you and me, we just got to do I mean, like, we just have to wait for this. This is the delay between the content gets made. And then we have to wait for the apps to catch up.

But I totally, totally agree. I'm just worried that when we talk about the stuff, this kind of stuff on on, on the in the board meeting, we're all kind of focused in future, which is good, because we want to always be innovating and driving forward. So it was interesting. That's why I was interested in where'd this request come from? So does Buzzsprout have people requesting this? Do they have they have podcasters requesting this feature? And what can I

It happens gradually than suddenly. I think, because once and I'm glad, I'm glad it's going slow. Because we get to learn and see what's wrong as we go. We've got the spec, see that, across comments is really naughty. It's not about the spec. The spec is, is dead, it's dead simple. It's just a URL. The spec is not the problem. The spec was so easy. And all of the problems come from implementation. Brian Right. That's

why That's why I want to keep keep the focus coming back to it whenever I can, because the implementation seems to be stalled, although not true in the past week or so with Nathan doing. Doing the stuff on on podcast index.org To show the comments, but you still can't comment from there either.

Yeah, well, that's, that's coming though, because that's, that's they're working on that as well as get Geremy and Nathan, and, and some other guys that are where they're hashing out what the yuan is supposed to localize et Cie, I think that once if if we can get that working on. And I shouldn't say we because then if they get it working, and I've pushed to production, the latest changes yesterday, I think so it's it's

on the website on our website. Yeah. And when

you want to say hey, go go support cross app comments. Go to our website, look at the way it's implemented. And even though you know, the UI you are part is not, it's up to you, but here's how we expect this thing to function. Got it. Got it. And that just this just takes time to develop, you know, I mean, they they have to work out those books because they're right now they're they're going back and forth about different things about like, Where does should

No, no, of course, we always want to do that. I'm just trying to figure out who, who needs this. I have never thought about doing a channel. Even apples. I mean, I gave up on Apple A long time ago. I don't know if I can get this into podcast connect anymore. I don't know if I have an account.

Last time you logged into PUC Apple podcasts in the years ago,

years, maybe five years ago. I don't know if I can still get in at all. I mean, it's just there. And when I gave up my Mac, you know, it was when when Mac started to screw up the the hardware was broken, basically USB hardware. And I gave it up I went to Windows. That's funny, a lot, a lot of DJs. Like, you know, like the, you know, DJs who do you know, records, mixes, beats, etc. They all they all went to Windows because the Mac just was really, really sucking

the say you said? Yeah, no, go ahead. Yeah, you said DJ DJs. And that that reminded me. So that was another use case. That's another use case for this for the channels is in order to have a so here's an let me find it.

There's a DJ music near me. Yeah, like

there's a DJ, that's buddies with Alex. And he popped into Wave Lake and he's been publishing his.

Yeah, I saw that saw that.

And the way he's doing it, here it is James Dietrich's. And so the way his wavelength feeds are detox music, D ETS. Oh, 0x. And the way he's doing is he's doing like a release a song. He's doing a release every, every week on Sundays. And each release is a new feed. That has one track in it.

Oh, interesting. So okay, so that would be now hit now we get into that would be appropriate for channel. But, man, what a shitty name. When you when it comes to music?

And music channel? Yeah. Yeah. But that's the F. Le I guess, I guess radios or stations. Right.

And yeah, I mean, that's always the problem. And nomenclature is always going to be an issue.

Just you know, because well, you name something is super important. That's the most important thing.

Yeah, as you know, and you should never ever make it a 2.0. And at any point, unless it's RSS, and you could do that.

Yeah, that's the only time it's allowable. RSS 2.0. Everything else is bombastic. H detox

with a with a with a with a line through the O. So if you search for detox, you don't get it.

Oh, that's not a zero. I thought it was a zero. Was that a zero? Let me try zero. Maybe that's a Unicode character

it is and so when I search for detox with that, zero that line through it, which I don't have on my keyboard, I don't get any results.

Oh, James, you're blowing up my search. Yeah.

How do I how do I get that? That that funky. Oh, do we do the

copy and paste? Oh, yeah. Now let's see it. Yep. Oh, he's got some pretty album art. Gracious. So let's talk

about music for a second. Okay, which we also pitch to Pocket Casts? That was really good. You did that. I think I saw Matt go.

Everybody loves music.

Yeah. And so where are we at with with dystopia and wave like are they now actually? are they submitting or are people just submitting individually still,

dystopia is wave Lake is not. And so we've got the WaveLight guys coming on at for for a another attempt at being on the show.

No one blames you for this Dave.

Thank goodness. Okay. So in three weeks, they will be back on the show. And we've got lots of music stuff to discuss with them and what their date. I'll let them speak for themselves but I think thumbnail sketch is that they really want

Of course. Yeah. Makes

Yeah. Because they, yeah, because the podcast app thinks these are episodes and you listen to the track disappears. It was

also someone who asked me came into the to the inferred podcast index.org. About how we ordered them that there's a way to order the episodes in a certain way that comes through from Buzzsprout. But somehow, it wasn't showing up correctly on podcast index, you know, I'm talking about.

Yeah, that's the serial versus episode.

Yeah. Is that a tag? Is that a is that a switch? What is that? How does that work?

Yeah, that's an iTunes tag that till this says, I says, Is this a? Is this just a show that lasts forever? And produces a producer as an episode on a schedule I? Or is this just or is this meant to be like, different like, like a single run thing where you're where you really need to listen to it in order

12345? Right, which would also be the way you'd want an album done. Yeah, yep. Yep, yep. Okay. Wow, there's so much to do. I don't even know how we get people to focus on adding music to their apps.

Well, I contacted Franco on podcast index dot social, and just, it just gave him like a, like a hit list. I was like, hey, you know, if you had a music mode, where, because he parses the feed in app, it since he parses the RSS directly, he'll be able to see that the music medium tag is there. And if he sees that, to me, it makes sense to go ahead and prep. Set a bunch of settings. By default. Make it set it where there's, it's forced to one point x speed.

In fact, to speed up from the speed up, no. Oh, man, I've so many ideas now. Go at four times speed and say do you like this? Do you like this? Podcast? Do you like this is what you really want you crazy nut job?

It's like it's, it's beating you. You want some more of this? Yeah.

Would you like a podcast? How about this music? Was it was it podcast addict that released for x? Yeah, pocket podcasts guru podcast guru. That's crazy. And who requested that I need to know. I need to know.

It came through on my test flight. And I posted it to Jason and he never responded. So I'm not sure. But didn't hurt his feelings. I was just playing around. Yeah, no. But that's. So if you had that, where the app says, Oh, here's a music podcast, I'm going to I'm going to reshuffle myself and be here, I'm going to play tracks in order. It's only it's only going to be normal speed, I'm going to take off, like audio record audio enhancements like voice boost and all this jazz. And

becomes lyrics, all kinds of all kinds of beautiful stuff. We can all be done. The thing is the content is now there, it's coming in. So all and all you have to do is if you're if you're developing look for the medium tag. Now we don't we have didn't you work on an endpoint for that for the medium tag? Or is that just the medium tag? Where there was a search? I think

it's, I think what I what I landed on was creating different sub group different groupings within the endpoint. So now, now you have standard what you know API, see an API you have like slash search slash by term. And now there's a new one that's slash music slash search slash butter. So cool, right, gonna be subgroups for each medium type.

And here's what I'd say to you app developers. Why why I think that there's a good reason for you to consider. Consider putting a music version, you know, putting some music UX into your app. If you think podcasters were waiting for something, you have no idea the amount of people who make music, who already know are halfway there with with. Some of them even have RSS feeds or doing encloses already. There's no to hosting companies that add the medium tag that we're aware

That is the only one. There's I would say that the music, the potential market for music, podcasting is huge, because there's so many excellent music artists, that will they just cannot rise to the level to have a living wage on a traditional plus streaming platform. It'll never, it'll never happen. They know. And they know it's not going to happen. Yeah. But just like a just like a midsize podcaster if they could produce their content, and make a few $100 a

Beats for saps Yeah, tone record. Thank you.

Yeah, I've got an idea. In my head for a cool feel cool. Music podcast app. Okay, experience. And I don't want to actually write it because we've, you know, we've already

No, no one wants you doing anything else. Well, we can we can't stretch you any thinner. No, no, no, make more charts. Don't do an app.

Charts. They? It's because you know, we've we've always promised we were not going to compete in those areas with people. But if nobody else does it. Don't make me do it. People.

You want to talk about your idea. You just we just want to know. Oh, well, how well

no, no, I do have enough. Okay, I'll talk about the idea is this is just kind of stupid. Simple. It's GPG music. It is not music. It's even stupider than that. Okay. The idea is that you go to let's just let's what are we going to call this theoretical app?

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music music. Pod music. No, this is Oh,

wow, that was no name his name ever? No, no, I've got a good

one. I've got I've got a good ear shot or shot dot F. Oh,

I like that. Okay, did you register that already?

I did not. It's still available, but it's too expensive. It's like 80 bucks. So you go to earshot.fm. And you're just presented with, with just sort of a swirling, look at like, you're in a like you're gonna like you're in a storm or a fog. Just nothing there. All there is is a prompt, just a blinking carrot prompt for you to type something like that. And you type you type in if you type in, let's just say country, or dance or something like that. And music just begins to play.

sounds a bit like Pandora. In a way.

Perhaps,

man earshot.fm was 100 bucks a year now that guy's making out

the FM guy

yeah the.fm I think he's one of the biggest sponsors of the conference in Vegas. No wonder cheap No wonder $100

Oh, does the FM GOD DOES HE IS HE part of pockets move? Yeah,

I saw um, I saw sponsoring.fm everybody.fm Get your get dot.fm here

that's that's a lot FM is like the cheapest one have ever seen is like 80 bucks.

Yeah, I just checked his $100 for earshot I love you man. But I'm not buying that.

No, I'm not either. I don't I don't even love me that I like that. Yeah, I think I think there's there's a this this is a huge, huge fun music discovery.

And then of course you can save them and have a library and all that groovy stuff. Yeah, it makes nothing but sense makes nothing but sense. I totally agree. And it probably a whole new separate app. But we'll we'll consider we'll treat it just like one of our own. No matter who comes up with anything any any any music app, any other app that you consider movie app, whatever. We'll consider it one of our own. We will adopt it right away.

You know, don't I guess one of the what I say is don't make Steven B He do all the work. Exactly. And then he's got a job

Steven B is an amazing guy. He just so much thank a few people people have been boosting us during the show. Let's see I'll use comments or Blogger as the delimiter 1000 stops from Bill pragae says you want to use music in your podcast just add splits to music posted to the music tag yeah well I thought we talked about the remote item being the way to do that. Was it remote item

maybe I don't understand what he's saying and

I don't think I understand it either.

Just add sounds like he's just saying put the music in music medium

No, no, no no I said just add splits to music posted to the music. He's asking you a question I'm not sure send us 10,000 sites with a better phrase or better

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I at one point I even wanted to change something. I can't remember what it was I wanted to, to add a link and I went into the GitHub. I'm like, I don't understand this is this is not Drupal. Drupal.

When you look at React for the first time, it's complete insanity. It's some bastardized version of JavaScript. That's with HTML inline embedded with it. It's your head spins.

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Bring it on to the show Burb boo boo berry of behind the schemes and Sir Spencer of bowl after bowl the gutter punk innovators of 2.0 worth chatting with him in the in the boardroom says lavish with a 100,000 sat boost

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chart is going to be great. But But of course if you don't change it then it'll be down again tomorrow. It's so it's such you know what it is? You know if you want walk past a watch store. And maybe maybe this isn't that way. I think the wait typically is all the watches are set to 1010 10 minutes after 10 Because that looks like a happy face.

Oh, okay. Okay,

so this this chart the minute you go to, like all these guys are in trouble.

This is like this. It's like silk is like svbc stock.

Yes, it does. It doesn't look like this is bad or this is not going well. I don't want to promote it until that until we have a happy uptick.

So they were doing great until their Lena brothers moment right there.

We definitely need to have some, you know, I'm not a big fan of multiple people in the boardroom. Just because it's just tough. But I'd love to have one or someone on to discuss the the gutter punk innovators of what's happening with the IRC bots. I mean, there's some really interesting stuff in there. We should just do now let's do it. Let's do that.

He just does it as an old check to make sure the cars running all right yeah 30 cc chat F 3333 through pod verse he says I think the best part of the dance party board meeting yesterday was half people compete complete each other song request donation amounts something about that just felt magical.

It was and it showed me that there's so much we can do with with lit which is another thing that we know needs more promotion the What a fantastic format what a great way as a podcaster to up your game to involve your community right right live in real time and and to make money I mean it really showed that the community rallies around you and they come up with their own games I love that was great. Thank you.

Let me ask you is is Opie three measuring the live stream also? Do you have the pre op three prefix in front of the live stream URL? Oh, that's a good question when I take a look because I would love to know which apps are using it the most I do actually. Okay, so we should be able to look and see if pod verse, podcast addict curio caster. I'd love to see a breakdown of that and and also to monitor if any new apps come on line because I know there's one that's supposed to be coming on good

good good good yeah oh p three dot Dev and I've listened that no agenda stream.com/no agenda. So that's just point to the stream. But John Spurlock is a is in he's in Vegas getting drunk with everybody so it'll he's not listening it'll take a while. That's true.

See, we need you back in Dallas John. Let's see I'm 2112 through fountain he says this is a replay of yesterday's Liberty boost regarding the song 55 million Frenchmen 27 and Benjamin Bella's Bill Bellamy's post music tip at the music radio.com Radio dismuke Vintage popular music and jazz from 1925 to 35 rows 2112 album boost Martin lindskog.

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Piette Pauling a satchel of Richards through poverties is pre show boost. What word Walter Wriston

filters and very good that means good night's sleep tight.

Those velcro loose Deville turista? Yes. Anti German that way. dribs got 55 555 through pod verse he says pre boosting. Wow. See, these? These are so since last week's show was a little messy. Some of these are coming in, you know like these are like, pre boosts from from the show before because it was

doing the pre boosts or the Prusa. Africa's I don't know I don't Yeah, they're just probably doubling some of them. There was no wait a minute because we did a show after that. I don't know. Just make everybody doesn't matter. Thank everybody.

Chad F 3333 says Can someone unlock the door to the boardroom? I can't get into the chat room.

Sorry, you know, it's locked now.

dribs got 5555 boosting days poll work.

I do good poll work. You're great on the poll.

A Chris You know 9109013 through pod vs. As you can't just go out there and do poll work whenever you want. You first have to call up and put in a poll request a poll. I love it. Chad F 3333 Again, and another Chad F and he says, Hey, I only requested Ride the Lightning after someone requested milkshake. Yes, dri milkshake. Not a great not a great

yeah, it got it got a little weird. I told you it's like when you when you take requests, then the flow kind of gets broken somewhere along the line.

drips got 5585 says Adam was really having fun yesterday. It was great to witness. Yeah, this is what it was because we didn't read the boosts on Saturday show. So that we could do in order from this like the post show boost. Yeah, right. Right. Right. Yeah. Eric PPS and it's 33 333 with no note through the boost CLI. Thank you, Eric. Thank

you very much.

No note on that. Phone boy 6969 Never thought I'd be the lead into the pod father on a Saturday. Lots of love for Phoenix and I at the Lotus effect for everything y'all are doing to advance podcasting.

Oh, that's right. So we broke into their into their feed because we typically use no agenda stream on Fridays and so they were kind enough to give it up for us on Saturday which we appreciate

it and again another Phoenix 6969 Thank you for the part father for all y'all are doing lady Phoenix and Lord phone boy the Lotus effect come for the shenanigans stay for the party. Nice. See? I think we'll see did we

did we read we read those two? I remember those two? We did.

Okay. So maybe

while you're checking that Dred Scott came in with a 121212121212 Whoa, that's 121,212 sorry, forgot to test the tally coin. Really job. We're just kidding. Out of curiosity.

20 is bleh Oh, man, I

just have this fear that Dred Scott is spending all of his inheritance or you know, it's like and he's gonna be out on the street you know, with no money or with a cup

is what's going to come in one day. So what is this?

I want to make sure man that did I love you drive man, but you're you are you're supporting a lot of a lot of podcasts with a lot of dough. So just to make sure okay. Anyway, he says out of curiosity, what kind of licensing and cost will be involved with doing a music so like you did Friday, which to me is dribs saying hey, I'll pay for that? No, just so you know, that is actually not possible. You cannot do that unless the only way you can get around it is if you have an existing radio

That's, you've explained that to me before and basically there is no they will not give you a license to do you

know, right now. I mean, you see what Spotify has to go through. You can add music to your show, but don't you dare talk over it? No, no, no, you have to stop and then they start the music and yeah, that's the play and fade out all the way. It's horrible. Bill Praxis fu I'm in Serbia. 10k SATs just like three beers over here. Gives us a fast I got your brother I got

Yeah, he's like I'm not gonna spend three beers to explain myself and

Brian of London 1948 is rarely freedom boosts next up breaking the law but Judas Priest home brother. I just can't get away from Nathan gathright. 2000 SATs got elicited oh point five times for a while to bring my average back down. Okay, just wants you to be healthy brother just want you to be healthy. All right. That's That's what just came in in the past pass from Naples

and fast thinker. I can imagine that that would be varied. Because you can tell by the way he talks that he's his mind goes fast. Yeah, but I bet you he has to. He has to resist the urge to pod speed.

Yeah, but you want you but he normal people around him. Don't speed

he goes to Starbucks like even that coffee. Yeah, exactly. See Brooklyn 112. Central Richards No, zaps. No tips. Only boosts. No.

It's okay. We're not We're not anti zap at all.

No, I love it. It's

training people for booster grams.

After after Dave whiners hate it was spewed on. Who was

was posting this?

No, no, he posted he had a big long anti 2.0 post.

Oh, yeah. Okay. Yes, I did see that. Yes. What about it?

All of all of which was so one. So ill informed as to be hilarious. But this had an effect on me. I thought to myself self that self. You need to be more more open about these other technologies? Don't Don't be so negative all the time. Oh, absolutely. I

totally agree. And I'm glad because I was the one that told you, man, you should try noster she what's going on there?

Am I going to go out and build something on noster? No. But I'm going to limit my mockery of noster. Well,

I think this is a there's something very different went on there. And I'll just say it sounds because he was very inflammatory when he posted podcast wars like wow. Like, what is he talking about? And I really didn't understand at all. What is like there's two groups that will soon be in a tech tabloid coming to you soon, like what is going on with this?

I read it and had no clue what he was talking about. He sounded deranged. Now, and

I think I think I know what happened. I'm just taking a stab here. I could be wrong. I have a feeling that someone approached him about the podcast Standards Project, which was going to be different from podcasting. 2.0 which is not in his basically taking tags that we develop and use it and somehow keep and of course, oh, Courage involved with one of those two, which one is it? That's the shitty one. Because, because that's what most people do. It's like, oh, it's Korean.

Will they always happen around podcasting, but they also always happen around Dave Warner. So this

is that? Yeah, there's that anyway.

So let's see Karen from the new modal podcast. 2222 through fountain he says, as you were playing the demo, I was waiting for it to switch from the robo lady to get to the real ai dj but about halfway through I realized she was it Eesh Yeah, he got he's, he's been paused. Speeding. Yeah. And his his brain is unable to tell the difference between reality and fiction.

This is exactly what happens.

Yeah, I'm sorry. I feel sorry for you, Karen. I loved you when you were when you were with us still. Now your brain is gone. Nicklaus be 58 2100 SATs he says the fountain he says I'm testing. Well Nicholas your test was success successful. Well done. Carl 6007 gave us 2222 SATs through fountain no note. Clarkin, my buddy gave us 25,001 SATs says weekly boost can't make a long note because fountain keeps crashing every two minutes. Hopefully it'll be

Oh interesting.

And is interesting. Oh, Bill Prague. He of the expensive beers says gets in as 9712 He says boost for being human and not an AI podcast. There you go.

Yes. We're not weird. We're not GPT that's a low bar.

And you just encountered Maxis within maxis. That is how we normal people feel every time we say bitcoin is not best for everything. Okay, Bill Prague again. 10,000 SATs to convert some more hive into SAS to boost again, Maxis encountered deserves it. Okay.

Wow. Okay.

I don't know what we said.

But it was good. Yeah, it was awesome. It doesn't matter if we make someone mad or happy as long as you're boosting. It's all good.

Alberto 999 says do fountain and he says it's here.

Good to hear. It's finally here. Is that Alberta? rss.com. Maybe about transcripts? Maybe that was the big issue here. Yes, it's a mysterious teaser boost.

A bit that's what it was. Big announcement from them by the way that was that was I think

that's the fan reaching tastic the fact that they have multiple languages out of the box is great too.

And I love I love that they're doing it like sort of in house and not a third party I think I think that tells me that probably transcripts is cheap enough now to where the industry can do this. Yeah, it's it's gotten it's gotten affordable. So that's a good thing to see.

And those guys are just killing it no matter what I really appreciate what they're doing.

Yeah, me too. Clarkin again with 1000 SATs he says Update Oscar helped me fit the fountain issue like a balls back up and running Thank you Oscar. play by play on tech support here from film 12,000 SATs from ION robot through a through foundation is dropping off some climate change for the index so Dave can keep the lights on five by five in the pipe go podcasting.

Go podcast. Mr. I think it's Mr. Robot. I think he's hilarious.

SLC 12498 through found he says the sages dictation speed is less like a tortoise and more like a New Yorker. 1.25x The fact that he can get God sets him apart from the AI boosting the NI natural. Nice, nice, nice guest VLAN 3690. Is thank you for your work.

You're welcome. You're very welcome. We're happy to do that for you.

Just listening 1776 Boost says I need info on how to create ISOs the little audio clips I can't find anything anywhere. I don't know. Just I use DLC YouTube DLC to download stuff off YouTube and clip it that way.

Yeah, I just I record actually I process everything I record. So I'll I'll I'll put it straight from the from the output of the computer into Hindenburg. Which by the way, I was wrong about Hindenburg that that 10 hours of transcript time that's only 10 hours at a time it's not like they're charging you or like the like it's a bank where you have to redeposit time yeah, it still takes it takes a long time on this computer though. This computers he started

doing it local. You're not doing it through otter anymore.

I here's the thing. I did want I did the podcast in 2.0. And there's no way to output it. There's no export of the of the transcript. It's a transcript so that you can edit based on the transcript and which works really well. It's kind of like D script. I guess it's impressive how that works. But there's no way to export an SRT or TTV or LMNOP or any of that stuff. I couldn't even pass Like all copy it, I'm like,

Karen from Emerald is back again. tu tu tu tu tu fountain. He says, Hey, Adam. Yes. The recent guest of mine was talking about how other graphic designers would get mad at him for doing a V for v time model. When he was first starting to design as freelancer. If you ever had other podcasters mad at you for ruining it ruining it for the rest of us, ie putting your product out for free.

No, I think most people think we're stupid and doesn't work and it's crazy. And why would you do that? And when did you Why'd Why do you want chips? Now I've heard anything ship anyone who's actually done the work and looked at what we're doing. So no, no one's ever gotten mad. that I know have

we got a 6666 from the socialists that says satanic socialist down under Oh, great love. Love the show. But please lay off Beelzebub Satan gets blamed for a lot of bad stuff. But even he would not stoop so low as to use dynamic ad insertion.

Is that is that the actual Satan guy who does the party?

Hey, this is Beelzebub telling you to boost more.

Don't Satan would you ever use dynamic ad insertion? Never. There you go. That's definitive,

except on Sundays.

That's definitive. There you

go. Don't use it. Don't do it. People save yourself.

Borlaug. 20,021 sets note. Thank

you though Borlaug, thank you appreciate it.

But then Borlaug comes back with 20,023 sets and there is a note okay. He says these two boasts boosts are twin primes, just like the two of you. Thanks for what you have done with this project and will thank you,

Grace. Yes, I

appreciate it. But who is this is this lavish? lavish boot? Did you get this 100,000 boost from lavish?

I don't recall anything from lavish Let me see.

Oh, yeah, you did the gutter punk innovators? Yes. Yeah, we got. We did.

Yeah. Okay, well, now we got to a couple more booths just came in. See dubs one a one a 110 1101. Thank you very much. And striper boost 77,000 77,777 from Steve Webb, the OG God caster. He says Hey, guys, just checking in from Lifespring media central go podcasting. Oh, good podcast. Steve Webb I saw him in the top 10 on fountain with his lifestyle I think it was It is his? Which one was it? He's doing like the Bible one through the Bible.

The one that goes on with it. Yeah, for every

single day. Yeah, it's nice. And speaking of striper boost turns out I interviewed striper on MTV and there's like a there's like a video of Did you see that?

The guy with a broken foot? Yeah, I'm

like holy crap. I can't believe that if only they knew that they had become a boost number. It will be so they will be pleased I'm sure. And like

this, like this, Steve came in with a striper boost to offset that Satan boost. Yeah, that's thanks. Yes.

There you go. That's exactly how it works. Yes. Beautiful. Thank you very much. We needed that Steve. Thanks.

There's about balances restored. Perfect

timing. Yes, the world is good again. Who?

Really Schonfeld?

Was you Oh, what did you say now?

4321. He says listening in Fiat speed I like it. I'll take it. Thank you Roy comic strip blogger the delimiters 30 3015 through fountain he says delicious delicious Dave and appetizing Adam no goodness. once a fortnight start your day right with a nutritious helping of the AI cooking podcast, a 2.0 compliant V for V certified show where the deliciously nimble Tang goof aka Gregory Forman, The Once and Future King of kinit, aka the COC delivers.

It means something different in Britain

delivers tasty morsel after morsel of news items about artificial intelligence, because complexity and brevity are a handsome bedfellows. Yo CSB.

Thank you CSB for always supporting every single show I've ever heard in my life and I hope it's working out this is probably the longest running promotion that that has been going on for for podcasts is what he is doing for AI cooking.

We need to start marketing this you know, like Todd does for GoDaddy, the longest running continuous podcast sponsored DSP the longest running continuous booster

Yep, he's just right. And he podcast and consistently And he'll boost again if he if he misses a split he'll complain make it fixed.

He'll bet you button duty day

I never have to worry if my umbrella is down because it's coming to your blog it will let me know. I don't need to run any service that checks I just see SP he'll take care of it's like pager duty. Whatever he has paid. Remember that pager duty I had paid duty. Goodness. Oh man. Oh man. Oh, man.

Oh, we got some gotcha monthlies. Monthly. Yes. Sorry for the long donation. Second level. We had that mix up last week, so you gotta get a deal. Wallasey Cameron Rose $25. Joseph maraca $5. Will you mang $5 Jeremy new $5 pod verse, LLC $50. Thank you, Michelle. Lauren ball $24.20. Basil, Philip $25. Mitch Downey, of pod verse $10. And Christopher Paul robotic $10

Thank you. Oh, yeah, thank you all so much for supporting podcasting 2.0 as the only way that it can be supported the only way that it will continue as existence that is through supporting the podcast and of course, supporting everything that we do at podcast index.org podcast index dot social. Edie had, do you ever have a chance to make a calculation about what it would cost to upgrade the gear to do full indexing of episode notes, etc?

Oh, no, no, I mean, we're gonna have to update we're gonna have to upgrade the database instance.

Again, we didn't just do that about a couple months ago.

No, I was able to put it off. Okay, okay. Yeah, I stretched it stretched our budget. So I was able to make that happen. But but I've not done that. Honestly, I just don't even know. I mean, indexing 110 million episodes, a full 4000 characters of each district

would only be 4000. We can't index PDFs and other stuff people throw in there. Oh, that's yeah, I like that. Shocking.

I know. It's got your kids

a real shocker. Oh, no, we call that a bombs. Yes. Oh, my God this

week? Yeah, no, it? I don't know that. I don't know how much it would be. I don't think isn't I don't know that is necessary.

No, I'm just we get requests. And so all I do is just say, Hey, is it possible? Can we do it? No. Okay, fine. I hope people

are using the new people search because I think it's read I spent some time on a couple of weeks ago. And it's pretty good. Now. It's pretty darn good. Good

Pocket Cast. They're working on their search. Are they going to because they were also going to integrate people? Right. Did they did so well. They ended up

looking at the person. Well, I don't know. I don't know why. I guess they're doing their own search since they spend so much time on it.

But yeah, I mean, they could just use an API but okay, go go go rebuild the wagon there. Let me show you so if I do Adam curry it'll just pop it up. Let me see.

Oh, no, he's are using ours. Yeah.

Wow, that works really fast.

Every everything I do is fast brother. Yeah.

Adam curry payload.

What is this? Let's say we payload

Adam curry payload. Adam Curry's RSS enclosure test channel. Where's this from? Let me see.

What what see does it say that? Oh, this

is from a radio weblogs feed this can't be active anymore candidate. Let's see if it plays anything. Does it play anything? No. Operation Iraqi convertible journalism Mars. Are they crooked? What is this stuff? This is great. None of it works. But it's great. Oh, I'll tag this to be nuked. Where'd that even come from?

I would love what's the feed number what's the feed ID

for 605475 So that's not that's pretty new.

Force of some Chris rising dug up out of the

ether. Clearly, clearly Gary Leland I'm

curious RSS includes your test feed

Adam curry free culture. Adam curry daily Audio Bible.

Adam Adam listen to this. If you click through to the RSS feed, yeah, this this goes to cyber.harvard.edu/rss/examples/rss enclosures example dot XML Holy moly. Wow, this is oh this this was last build date Sunday. 27th of June 2004.

Yeah. What's it to you bro?

Generator, radio user land V.

I told you I told you that. Well, that's interesting. So they republished some feeds over there.

Well, I think it's probably always been there forever. I bet you this is just something nobody even knows is there anymore. Like so many aspects of my life. I'm not killing this feat. Other indexes. This is history brother.

All right. Everybody that'll conclude our broadcast day to buck 10 Wow, we're really stretching it out these days. We need to get some guests on so we hurried up whenever we have goes much shorter.

We've got we've got Tom Rossi from Buzzsprout next week oh cool about Yeah, I'm

gonna have corruption so I'm going to ask him about this. This podcast standard project. Yeah, yep. And we will clearly behind it clearly he's

probably gonna ask him about his about what?

Alright, brother Dave, thank you. I know this is really crazy times for you with with your with your work with tax coming up. You know, does that all end on the 16th and then all sudden, you just get to let out a big sigh.

Yes. I think it may be the 17th this year,

though. That's right. The 16th is the final date. Yeah.

Yep. I'm home with it. Actually, my daughter's sick today so

Oh, she'd be okay.

Yeah, she's fine. She ran a fever just some some low fever virus and just doesn't want

to go to school. I got I know how you dip the thermometer and some hot water like oh, I don't feel good. Yeah. All right, chat room. Thank you very much. Thank you to all the boosters who came in and support us. We really appreciate it. This has been the podcasting 2.0 board meeting we return next week. With another invigorating board meeting join us launch it for broadcasting 2.0.

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