Episode 123: Get Off My Chain!

podcasting 2.0 February 24 2023 Episode 123 Get off my chest Hello everybody once again time for your weekly board meeting and podcasting 2.0 We are the North Star in a galaxy of corporate gloves and boy isn't a clutch everything you want to know about the latest with the podcast namespace and forest podcasting 2.0 in its entirety the podcast apps and everything happening at podcast index dot social I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country in

Hello. I know it's stuck now. Yeah, we always going to be days in there.

We always start the show off with a little bit of a singing we'd like to bring the worship team together

the praise team

the praise team. Oh, I've never heard that one. The praise team that's a good one. Ah, it is Friday. Once again. How you doing brother? Everything good up there or down there and over there in Alabama.

It's good over here in Alabama. Busy. Yeah. With the with the Texas. Oh, that's

right. That's right.

I went to my first first ever Bitcoin meetup. Oh, holy night. Oh, how was that? Here in here in here in the hand? Well, let

me guess. Let me guess. Hi, everybody. Welcome to the meetup. Let's talk about noster.

That came at the end. Lots of nostre talk at the very end. Yeah, that was fantastic. It was great. That was good. I've never been to anything that it felt. It was a it was a very religious type event. I mean, like, I mean, in the sense that everybody's like, you know, the same ilk you know? They're so it's like going into like a Bitcoin Bible study. Big

BBs Bitcoin Bible study. Well, it is kind of true that that when you meet Bitcoiners that's kind of like no agenda listeners to when you meet Bitcoiners does like all over the spectrum and I mean, literally is a spectrum sometimes. And you wouldn't be able to know any of these people wouldn't walk down seas Oh, that gut person was a Bitcoin you would know until you meet him. And it is it is a real sense of

Yeah, I liked all the people there no nobody I had ever met before from around berm you know Birmingham and great we have a wide diversity of people from different places a guy talked about proof of work and then in

general or specifically to Bitcoin Phoebe Phoebe comm

did like a presentation on it and and stuff is it meatless is yeah, it was good and then like the people that run it are really nice and committed have been run it for a while didn't even know this was going on. So anyways good. It's good to get out into the Oh yeah.

Did the did people know who you were? Do you say Do you know who I am? Did you say that like I am the pod sage Shruti heard a podcast surely value for value rings a bell people

did not say anything like that. This? No I did not turn on douche mode I kept

it's not douche motives. PR mode. Did you Did anyone talk about value for value in podcasting at all?

They talked a lot about podcasts that they listened to talk about podcast about podcasting in any of that sort of sense. So I figured I figured what I do is I just get to know people for a while and then I'm done. And then a few weeks I'd say hey, I can do a presentation on podcasting. tupuna There you go. They seem that seems to be their thing. They seem to be like every, every time they have a meet up they have somebody do like a presentation so I could do V for v you know

very nice. I did want to mention to everybody this is my new health warning. I'm very concerned for people as I've discovered that there are a the entire armies of people are listening to podcasts at accelerated speed. I would like to warn you out to the SP at any at anything above 1.0 I'd like to remind you this is very bad for your health. You are hijacking your nervous system. There is no need for you to cram more podcasts into your life. You will not be able to

this is what what is new this and new what was Where are you so far? Out of the blue

no unwell no it kind of came up during the week as I was someone sent me a video which was clearly a you know a so called Deep fake and it was Joe Rogan and and Peterson they were talking together and I'm like that's pretty it's pretty good. It's getting pretty close. And then it dawned on me that it sounds a bit like, you know, SmartSpeed from overcast or any other spared who does not actually speed up the voices, it

say go? No. As a first of all, somebody needs to get the an ISO of Bob Newhart doing that skit. Where have you seen that one where he just wants to stop it? Where he's the psychologist who charges $5. Just to stop it.

Fortunately, no, I don't have that one.

But the as a as a reformed podcast, multi multi multi XOR I don't know what you call that multispeed person's chick? Yeah. Yeah. As a sicko, or form, sicko form, sicko. I used I used to listen to all my podcasts in one at 1.0 speed up speed up with the, with the the whatever, whatever that thing is where it chops out the silences between them and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, the silence chopper. Silence Joe. Yeah. And I. I did that exclusively. And then at some point I heard you

I've saved your marriage is what you're saying.

My kids, oh, you owe you a debt of gratitude. Like in this, like, Okay, I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna I'm gonna stop it. I'm gonna stop it. And so I just changed everything back to normal speed cut out the good out the solid choppers. And, and at first, it was painful. I was like, it feels so slow. But then after about a week, I'm like, Oh, this is actually normal. And I'm in it for 100% Sure way way but not 105 by

five, five by five, four quarters, anything can additionally

it improved. The all my my conversations with people around me it it put it reset my brain back to normal. I agree with you exclusively.

There's something else that came along. And I just realized this also spurred me on, I got new glasses. And I needed I needed glasses with multifocal lenses, because, you know, I'm now flying back flying again. And and I'm nearsighted. So I'm sitting in front of the podcast studio screen here, I

exactly that's actually what it's like there's there's a low level of irritation. It forms in the back of your head when you're when your little girl was telling you about her homework and you're just like, go stop

being so slow. Wow, okay, thank you. I'm adding this to my arsenal. This is this will improve your home life, it will improve your the sex will be better.

I can attest to sex better.

You get you have sex if you stop being an asshole. Really good.

That's all so that also qualifies as better. from none to Yes. Oh, goodness. I also agree though, with tone record is that if you listen to roast beef, the developer Oh, yeah. That is the only time you race acceptable to

just slow it down to slow it down. slow him down. That's true. That's true. Yeah,

he says has been I'm thinking maybe point 250

My goodness, we have a very special board member I want to bring in in a moment. But not until you and I have discussed one important story which I felt only really got to mention. YouTube. Yeah. Podcast egg. No, that was not what I was gonna talk about. Oh, okay.

I got to know. Sorry. No, I

was gonna talk about the story from NPR because it got it. Gotta mention it. Thank you. It caught my attention because it was a story about NPR. Well, I have the story here. Allison. I have the clip. I have their very own clip and we won't play the whole thing. We'll get up to the pertinent bit here. And now of course, some news. By the way, you got to we got to slow it down and talk like NPR he now for some news about ourselves. NPR? Yes, we're so transparent. We report on our own smelly poop.

And now of course, some news about NPR itself. NPR announced a major restructuring today and revealed it's about to lay off about 10% of the workforce. Our CEO John Lansing cited a drop of $30 million in projected advertising revenues.

So this caught my attention when you say because NPR is National Public Radio underwriting and well, the it's always been questionable, you know, is it sponsorships, underwriting, advertising, call it whatever you want. And I think that it was a little confusing, but I can dissect this quickly. That's

about to lay off about 10% of the workforce. Our CEO John Lansing cited a drop of $30 million in projected advertising revenues. And PR media correspondent David Folkenflik joins me and David, it's always a pleasure to talk to you. But this is a tough day, as you know, here at NPR. Yeah, look, it's it's, it's a real loss. As John Lansing said, in a memo to staff I've been here over 18 years, it's the toughest cuts I've seen, it's probably the toughest since the

I'll stop there because what they kind of waffle around about is what the problem is what happened with NPR who are supposed to be running on donations, you know, they have donation drives, you get a tote bag or a coffee cup. If you submit a support your local NPR station, what happens? It's

gonna guess what the problem is? Yeah,

go for it.

The Pro, I'm gonna guess that the problem in this comes from reading the article, which was actually very long.

The article actually tells us what the problem is.

It said something like that there was 490 people in the newsroom and like 230 people in management.

Now that is part of the problem. What really happened here is they built a huge podcasting division. And the podcasts do accept advertising. And so this so they already were trimming down in November they they were cutting they cut everything by 10%. That's not really mentioned. NPR is programming division, which produces its industry leading

And they said they have just the newsroom currently stands at just shy of 490 people while programming has shot up to 230. And yours. I wonder how much of that quote unquote programming was podcasts, all

podcasting? It's all about Yeah, it's all and here's the other problem. When podcasting works, when it's almost a one man band, you cannot afford to do and this is the problem with Spotify with gimlet now they have unions over there are you kidding me? Even while we have editors and producers and associated associate producers, and production assistants, and get coffee, and and line editors and then an executive they all report to that's the other side

the V for V subscriptions. Are those work? Yeah,

I mean, that's what we've done with no agenda for 15 years with Pay Pal, you know, and of course, gradually going to try and move that into other payment platforms da. But you know, seriously, think about, think about doing more of that, and stimulating people to get because if you if you can get someone who has 100 people listening, but you know, there's one person there who's who does $1,000 a month, you're out of your cost, you know, and it really didn't hurt you didn't

They said to me, they're laying off 10% of their workforce. I mean, that's a huge job. That's big. Yeah, that's more than any. I think that might be the biggest one we've heard.

But they also said it's not going to be uniform across the organization. No, it's going to be in podcasting. It's all podcasts. Exactly what

their quote, their quote was, in I think it's interesting that this is a this is an article about themselves. So they're talking I mean, they're not. This is not guesswork. They're telling you exactly what's going on. Now if Was there some positioning? I mean, I'm not saying that there's not. But, you know, there's lots of, well, just like everybody else is having layoffs, we're gonna have to have them too. There's a lot of that did

a lot of look at Silicon Valley. Okay, so you're comparing NPR to Google and Amazon. So clearly, clearly, you're talking about podcasts. And this is why I also put 00 is the word wait on the YouTube podcast announcement? Go ahead, go go jacked up over there. This podcasting has been through this. We've seen this a million times.

That they said they the reason they gave in I mean, this is really specific. And again, this is talking them talking about themselves. They're telling you what's going on. They said, quote, in talking about the calls, quote, and erosion of advertising dollars, particularly for NPR podcasts, quote, specifically said that, yes, I mean, that that there's no ambiguity there. Advertising in NPR podcasts is not keeping pace, and they can't fund those 230 program.

There was actually a spot in here, Michigan, fine. You know, this is mastering how we do it is a spot where she says, But you know, it's people doing podcasts or doing journalism, too. We've listened. He said that this is going to be a significant way.

Now, what does that actually mean? When he says he wants to be thoughtful? He doesn't think this will be uniform across divisions catchy podcast, is actually envisioning? We don't know, we don't. What we do know is three, three different kinds of strategic which is as law and also its audience to you know, seek younger and more

diverse I like this. I like with this is what

this means, just as a commentary. I mean, with this riveting content I stunning that they've had no problem selling advertising.

VR has to deepen and broaden its audience to deepen and broaden. What does that even mean, you know, seek younger and more diverse audience base younger and

diverse audience base? You know what that is? That's corporate bullshit is what that is. That's the

way in which he sees building for the future. And he said that since he arrived in the fall of 2019, he's also talked about unifying its newsroom with its programming side, but

not when you unify the newsroom with its programming side, you know what that means? Native Ads, you're going to be making content for the advert and our NPR team skilled voices, they'll make special podcast just for your brand. Trust me, it always goes

away more stories about Taco Bell Mexican pizza coming back, because it's exactly it's

where so much growth has happened lately, particularly in the podcasting division. But these divisions in some ways artificial. Well,

I don't want to hear that again. What

are you say? 2019. He's also talked about unifying its newsroom with its programming side, the programming is where so much growth has happened lately, particularly in the podcasting division. But these divisions, in some ways are artificial. A lot of our colleagues doing journalism are doing so under the rubric of podcasting, but it's still really part of a greater journalistic function.

And that's where you'd break.

That's actually what what is the definition of rubric? Rubric? I wonder why he chose that word.

It's a good question. Rubric rubric. A direction rubric. Do you have a good definition meaning, okay, authoritative rule, a rule of conduct of how we, huh, that's interesting. Well, if you look at NPR podcast, and you know, say, well, that's basically it. They're doing journalism. I'm not so sure. I think you really went crazy. Let's see. Where are

Yeah, this is not they get on.

I feel bad when, when when this happens. But, you know, it's like, let's be honest, let's just be honest with what we're doing in the podcasting space. Ads are not going to be great for maybe a long, long time. I don't know. I don't know. You know, but it's, it's an that whole, the whole world is seeing this and is equipping themselves for what they see on the horizon. So, you know,

I think it's important. I was reading this morning. I was reading this morning about how the Fed is not fed, excuse me the about how the official stats coming out of the administration about the you know, the economic numbers about unemployment. They're all just so bogus and the banks, even the big banks are still And to call it out and say these, these numbers don't seem to comport with reality. And so, you know, I'm not sure that we even know the extent of what's happening

Well, technically, by the technical nature of two quarters, two down quarters of, of GDP, yes, we are in the United States,

down quarters, even with funny numbers. We could be like deep in recession and not be aware of it. And

the disgusting thing is, is if you listen to the Wall Street guys, and the Fed, they're like, Well, you know, Damn, man, we can't get we need unemployment needs to be higher than you know, that is their metric that will keep raising interest rates until the job market softens IE. There's more unemployment, they are rooting for unemployment. They raise interest rates to get you unemployed. This is literally what they're saying. You probably don't hear it because

Man. I've been reading back to reading secrets of the temple every night.

I'm not familiar with secrets.

Book by William Greider. He's too bright for The Washington Post. I think it was published in maybe 1990 or 91. It's about the Paul Volcker Federal Reserve. Oh,

sure. Sure. In

80s. And it's it's a big book. It's like 700 pages. But it's it's all the inside story about, about that timeframe? And what what all they did, have you ever heard of the monetary Control Act of 1980?

Was this where they tried to price fix stuff?

No, this was the Fed, the Fed under William Miller was worried about that. I didn't realize this, there that banks before 1980, banks could choose not to be a member of the Federal Reserve System. And what happened to is if you were a member of the Federal Reserve System, you are required to keep a certain amount of reserves, yes, on deposit at the Fed. But the Fed did not pay interest on those reserves in that griped a

turned into the overnight rate, which is one of the biggest problems that we have now is Wilton banks are sending a trillion dollars overnight back to the Federal Reserve. Well, the

monetary Control Act of 1980 stopped that it basically just said, all financial institutions in the United States are required to be members of the Federal Reserve System. Done

and and did you know that since COVID, the banks are not required to have any reserves. I didn't know that. Yeah, then they never reversed that it was during during COVID. You know, typically you have to have 10% in reserve. And so they don't have to do they don't as far as I know, many banks don't even have any reserves. And by the way, nothing says honey, I don't want to have sex and having that 700 page book next to your bed and reading it at night. Dave Jones, what do I need to teach you?

It's like I mean, it's like a big thing of garlic sitting on the nightstand.

Speaking of reading in bed, I'd like to bring in our honorary board member for today. As you can see, he is once again in his velvet bathroom and his bathrobe and his fluffy pink slippers ladies and gentlemen, please say hello to the founder and CEO headworn a boss something of one of our first first apps to support value for value. That would be breeze. Hello, His Royal Highness Roy scheinfeld Roy Hello Adam. Hello Dave Booker's off

I don't think it's nice that we need to like be on a podcast in order to talk but Well,

I mean, it's so funny because I've been looking at my phone for a couple months and I got no I have 00 calls missed or anything from you. You only tweet me now

you know what? I had the same experience myself. So

the last time I called you like Oh man, I'm really busy. I don't have time for you don't remember.

Don't have time. No. And by the way, I want to say that I'll continue to listen to podcasts index in 2.5. Index to

really listen to in in high speed Do You Really? Really? Yeah, yeah.

You're frying your brain, your friend.

Roy lives alone, everybody just want to make sure as far as we know, except for your servants. There's no one out there.

Yeah, so

that's because you listen to podcasts at 2.5 speed like no, you can't

add them one podcast only. That's, that's the only podcast that I listen to in my bathrobe, like we did my slippers on Friday night, but but I think like I don't think it's one size fits all. That's what I wanted to say. Like, time is a very scarce resource. Like there are other stuff to do I have a lot of stuff to do with my time. I'm not sure like it's very effective for me. And by the way, you mentioned roast

this is

it kind of goes against everything you know, from a Bitcoin or with a high or low time preference, which is interesting. It's kind of the exact opposite. But we respect your choices. So if you want to know if you want to smoke crack, that's fine.

I don't think it's about that. I think I don't know Yeah, key few Did you watch this? There's a Netflix show called cooked. A Michael Pollan. I think that's the that's the guy cookies talking about, like, why humans are in in regards to cooking like why humans are better than then animals like more effective is because we eat cooked food. And cooked food takes less time to digest. So we have does not have time to do

Well, then Fair enough. Fair enough. All I would say is, you know, it isn't podcast audio. The idea is you can do other things while you're doing it. Uh, did you watch that Netflix documentary? Two times speed? By the way, did that give you more time to watch more stuff on Netflix? Do you listen to your music at two times speed? Because it sounds so good.

Yeah, your point. I agree.

Because I love you, man. It's only because I love but

you know, you heard lactic like, I'm not addicted user. But I have a lot of like, friends with kids. I don't have any kids. But I have a lot of friends get and all the Tick Tock music. I can double the speed or triple the speed. And I like that. Yeah, that's insane. Yeah. Oh, yeah. abomination.

Yeah. So Roy, we're always great to have you on. It's been quite a while. As I said, you were one of the one of the first. Well, I think really, really well, you're a second but you're really the only my dream came true as the only one I'll just call it a wallet. I know it's very controversial to call it that. But a signing app that does Bitcoin and lightning that added podcasting. And, and to this day, it is still my go to to test to make sure everything's working and

A Yes, sure. So yeah, as you said, like we we try to create the best podcasting good user experience, and we baked it into the app. I know, that's one of the primary reasons why why users keep using Brees is first it seems like very, very odd for people for Bitcoiners to have a podcast player within their wallet. But now it's I think we we normalize that like a we kind of made it a standard. And I and a lot of people are liking this

is a double screen. I don't want to be consumed by interaction with humans

2.5 Speed points.

And have you considered adding some of the live the lit capabilities?

Yeah, so So strategically what we want to do a, what what we've done with Breeze kind of the Swiss knife are a model of, of adding multiple experience into a single app, we also have a point of sale interface within breeze. That doesn't scale. So in order for us to expand and to add more podcasting capabilities, I think what we need to do, we need to spin off the podcasting feature of breeze into a separate app.

I understand what you just said. So I can have my breeze wallet and just use it for all the breeze stuff that I do. Which Believe me, this is how I buy my beef with breeze. You know, all of this stuff I do. I love I love the experience of the breeze wallet for Bitcoin and for lightning. Or they use it for lightning exclusively pretty much. So what you're saying is I can use with the SDK when this is you're gonna explain this to us. I can have a breeze dedicated podcast app,

Exactly? That's exactly right. I have one of the features that the lightning and Bitcoin in general doesn't have a is missing is lacking when comparing to the Fiat experience is the fact that multiple applications can work against

Okay, so it's time to bring up this conversation again. And it's actually very timely as we now you know, things have changed in the in the last two years I would say Elon pay was pretty much the exclusive provider that a lot of people were using tying their apps into we had voltage has has done a little bit but really they're like you know get a node that's way too expensive podcasters don't like that like

Yes, yes, definitely. So So there are a few pillars to this non custodial, custodial discussion. One is, as you said about we don't want a centralized solution because a centralized solution leads to Due to due to problems in terms like blue wallet from the last couple of days is a great example blue wallet, just decided to shut down their service and all the blue

wallet you Oh, I didn't even hear about this blue wallet shut down.

They should they're shutting down there. They have an Elon hub architecture, right where you can you can configure a specific program specific software to run on the server and that, that that software kind of acts like the custodial node of the Blue World users. So by default, they offer their Elon hub instance, and they're shutting down the default instance, basically,

do you know why they're shutting that down? I don't know.

I can, I can? Just yeah, sure. I guess, I think, I think first they're there as a team, they're focused on on chain capabilities. But I think I think everyone that provides a custodial service right now is flying under the radar. Right? And that is limiting in a lot of in that in a lot of ways. If you want to be acquired, for example, what do you do with the custodial service, if you don't have the proper papers in place, you don't comply to the to the, to the FinCEN, regulation or

Can for me, it's, it's, it's really more than a decentralized part. I mean, I've already had, ah, like, on the, you know, without a doubt fountain right now is, is at the top of the list of people jumping in to listen to podcasts and use value for value for booster grams and streaming payments. And so I do one show with my wife every 14 days, on the very day that we record is when people start to send us booster grams, because I want to be mentioned in the show.

and it's money robustness, your robustness is another value proposition, clear value proposition over decentralized solution.

So how is breeze going to solve all this?

Well, again, it's not just about breeze, a breeze is a means to an end. And the end is to have a decentralized peer to peer money. And in the world, what we're the way that we're trying to move the needle is by for the first time working on a noncustodial SDK, providing developers and vendors and companies the ability to integrate lightning payments into their applications. But doing that a while maintaining

So how does it work? How is it possible? How

does it work? Yeah, I mean,

this is trickery. There's got to be something that's in the cloud, you're not being truthful.

When you say noncustodial, just for clarity, when you say noncustodial, I mean, you clearly with the SDK, since it relies on green light, and I'll let you get into that. But does it relies on block streams, infrastructure, it's custodial in the sense of keys, and fund and fund ownership is not custodial in the sense of, like, hard wearing the, it's really

easy. So I differentiate between custodial cuz being a custodian and being centralized, that's not the same thing. So because custody, when I refer to custody, I only mean, in terms of the keys, like the ability of someone else to use your funds. That's for me, when I say non custodial, I mean, no one can move your funds without your permission in your fund.

To, to clarify that a little bit. I think that's important. Maybe people who aren't as knowledgeable about Bitcoin might not understand that if you, if you have control of your own keys, then even if the infrastructure underlying your wallet goes away, you can go and spin up a wallet in a different location. reapply your keys and your funds are still there like you, you don't your your funds live on the chain,

You're right. But but but we also aspire to be a try to to minimize the trust in embrace and to make a breeze also, a more decentralized, not just noncustodial, but more decentralized. Let's let's talk about like Adam asked about the architecture, let's talk about the architecture. And then I'll explain how we decentralizing the, the components of the process decay? How do we do an open LSP platform? And how are we going to add the SDK on top of we're in like, so you you're

write it. But that's only for that. So you really only need the key pair when you're sending something receiving is just open all the time, I expect, like you wouldn't reject a payment. Right?

It will, so that he doesn't solve and yeah, I heard you in the previous show stock talk about it. The fact that we've we're are moving to green light, and we're adding green light as a solution in breeze doesn't solve the offline problem of needing to sign the transaction while you're offline. That doesn't solve that a note on the mobile node on green light, it has the same issue in that regard.

So what is that Moline? Yeah. Okay,

so yeah, let's get to that in a second. Let me just completed the architecture tour. And then we'll

drill on your left here, you see the node channels on your right, you see your mobile app, okay.

Yes, yeah, because the presence of K isn't just an end user node, it's the entire end to end stack of being able to send and receive payments. So you need an end user node, but you also need an LSP that provides the liquidity to the end user node. And you you need also swap services that that

Of course it is, of course, I mean, you'd give me this great, you know, that maybe, maybe you're hearing me in normal pacing, so you're not quite used to be talking much faster.

Say it really quick.

So what it sounds like to me is it won't work out of the box for Kison with podcasting payments.

You're right in now, right now. But we are working. And that's very high on our priority list. There are two things that we can do. One thing that we are already doing, and that that's going to be released very soon, hopefully. Yeah, I don't want to my my, my founders, my co founders will be angry at me. So I'm not going to say, because they're the one I'm going to work Kingaroy. Exactly. I'm just talking on podcast, but there. But soon soon, it's like it's very, very high on our

I'm sorry, I didn't The only issue go ahead.

The only issue where we have a problems with offline signing is if you run a mobile application, you need to make sure the application gets enough CPU in order to sign the transaction. And this is feasible, very feasible to solve in the green light architecture, because in the green light architecture, unlike the unlike the l&t architecture, in Elland in l&d, you need to start the node in order to, to be able to sign and that takes a lot of time, in relatively a lot of

So let me just break this out. So if someone creates a service, or let's say, a service for podcasters, who want to receive value for value streaming payments and booster

your ending note said okay, just got it, got it, got it got it.

Interesting. So,

but receiving that will take care of receiving as well. And that there is another long term task that requires protocol enhancements in order to support it's called assing. payments in

Now, how does that happen? I mean, is there a watchtower involved availa? What's no

the LSP is actually involved. So this requires another node that holds another online node that holds the payment, the problem, you can implement that already right now, like you, let's say you have two mobile clients. And both are using a LSPs. Lightning service, I'd like to know that that connects them to the network, you can send a payment to the to the pay LSP. The pay LSP can hold the payment until the pay is back online. That's easy to implement. The problem

that she acing part. Okay,

I gotcha. Exactly. Okay, exactly. So

this brings up two questions. One, well, that will help I'll start backwards pricing. Now the way you will do this will be percentages of everything. There's no upfront fee, you just it's it's a percentage of transactions, etc, whatever, whatever breeze kind of does now, I presume?

Yes, exactly why that's just about documenting our current model of leveraging lightning fees. Lightning has an inherent business model baked into it. And we're leveraging the lightning business model. I don't want to reinvent any grand, I believe in the lightning routing fees. Yeah,

me too. And I also believe in fees in general. And that's why I propose hosting companies should look into something like this and spin it up and take a take a percentage instead of a monthly fee. Second thing I'm very concerned, personally, about now what's happening with noster and zaps and all this crap. And it looks like lightning is really not being used much anymore. Everyone's going towards ln URL.

Ellen, your role is a workaround. And everyone acknowledge that Ellen URL is a workaround. It's in place because it bridges some gaps that exist currently in the specification. With Bolt 12 You don't need bolt oil in your rail. Because you can initiate a payment without an invoice without an invoice. And and and that leaves us if that exists. That leaves us with a assing issue that is also on track to be resolved. When we have asked in payments support, then we can

Well, what you're saying is Bolt 12, which I'm told will not not be here until my grandchildren are in college. Yeah.

Two years. I mean, like, lnd. To me, lightning labs and l&d has to hold

up. Yes, yeah. Yeah, definitely. And that's the stuff that concerns me like a I spent a lot of a lot of time advocating for both wealth and, and I think, but it's like, we need to get l&d on board. But l&d will get on board. And by the way, you talked about noster the people that are taking part in the nostril development, they understand the importance of both worlds, they do also want to support both worlds. They also want to use the breezes decay and to integrate breathe

I'm not. I'm not. No, I'm okay. Good. I'm glad you're optimistic. We've only been talking about it for a year. The nostre thing is fascinating to me. Because it's such a poor, poor experience as any kind of salt. I mean, it I know that it's not supposed to be an if social media or you know, or a competitor to Twitter, I understand as

Yeah, I think the problems in noster are different. We can talk about that, as well. But yes, it's early tech. And you can tell people like Hey, guys, let's wait till we have a standard for us in payments. And then you will be able to implement your steps. They want to they're excited, they want to implement their zaps. And then you need to let them play with zaps, and they educate the market about the importance of is apps instead likes instead of likes,

caching. I mean that's this is all the stuff that years and years went into activity pub and and And even though I don't, I have not looked under the hood of what the relay does, I know what it does. It's like holy crap, there's going to be the, again, the good thing that's come out of that is, hey, you can pay to use my relay, okay, and now

mastodon? Yeah, maybe. You mean, like more? Yeah, I don't know, if sanskars to if it can scale to like, hundreds of 1000s and user of users and millions of users, maybe they will have to be more focused on specific use cases, specific discussions in groups

using URL and URL that's called a DDoS. Attack. I mean, that's, that's probably going to be like, that's, that's the concern I have is, you know, in some ways, that noster as a replacement for Twitter was probably the worst. It's probably the worst use case. Like, it would have almost been better if they had gone some different route and just didn't even like pure Pub Sub, subscribe, you know, mechanism, instead of trying to recreate Twitter on nostril because you

You have like 100 and 100. Clients like yeah, day by day means damos demo day with you every day. You're lucky. That's the bit. Yeah, well, I've installed the Android and iOS users. So I don't have the fortune of

Me neither, Roy Me neither, I'm jank shit. I got, I'm using Amethyst is amethyst, I don't like Amethyst, and Iris Iris actually works a little better than

Iris amethyst, this snore, like I use all of them.

That is on debt. But that experience has gotten

better, let's say let's say a Yeah, it's early, early, early, early Tech, I am coming from an enterprise software lacking enterprise software, you would never release something like faster. Never. So, so it's early, early, early tech, but I see an impact. Like, as a user, I see a relays are more stable, more robust, more serious, like I see the improvement in the US as well. Now.

I'm just I'm afraid when the when the when the I'm just afraid when the when the kid point when the child porn stuff shows up, and there's gonna be no way to handle it. And it's just gonna, the whole thing's gonna melt down because it's, it's a ball. It's a it's a Yeah, it can blow this thing can blow up in 1000 different ways. And I'm not sure if people are prepared for the, for the blow up. Well, so that's what was wrong

with the blow ups. It's good, it will progress. Like it. I think like I like the tech experiment, and I think that will only result in like evolution and improvement. It's not Bitcoin, like, I don't think we need to apply the Bitcoin mindset of everything needs to be like, very, very robust and stable in order to it's a building block the, it's the most basic building block, I think, in Noster, there's room to make mistakes, and we should expect that things will blow up

The the the I just look at trends. That's kind of what I do. And I see the you know, it's censorship resistant. Oh, my God. Okay, no, there's no real it's just a little bit too much of that marketing. Yeah, let's

talk about that. Because I think that's the key, like, censorship resistance in my ass, because at the end of the day, it's an iOS app, and it's in a Google Play app. And everything is being controlled by Google and Apple by the end of the day. So

that's what I see as the most likely outcome to this honestly, Roy is that we have seen this already. I mean, look at truth, social. Look at these websites, look at these social networks that got pulled front and gab and they get pulled from the app stores because they didn't meet the the moderation requirement. You're required. If you run a social network and put that you put your social network app in the app stores. You're required by Google and Apple to have a social use a to have a

to I think I think they most did add the demo demos, demos, demos, I don't know how to pronounce that. But I think they added some features to be able to comply with this A regulation they do have a way to market sensitive content, they do have a way to filter stuff at the client that the client can say I don't want to see sensitive content. So I think they, they've made some work. I'm not familiar with all the nips, but they added some nips in the to bed to the to deal

right. By the way,

I serve today is censorship resistant in my ass.

I love that great ice. Alright.

What is this ISO button this

will they're literally transcribing the podcast in real time. You do dollar sign ISO and then you type in the words you want isolated, and it spits back an mp3.

This is voodoo because I saw somebody do this a while ago, and they misspelled the the they misspelled the transcript. And it still shows.

Yeah, Roy, you're not in the chat room probably. But it's crazy. What's going on here. They literally have a bot where you said I typed in dollar sign ISO censorship resistant my ass and it sent back that that mp3 in the chat room on with a link that yeah, this is magic. It is yeah.

I need somebody needs to get SAS for this is what it was this is incredible. Well, I don't I'm just I'm also a little concerned about the I don't the bifurcation, that's where we made this model of, you know, boosts in payment, you know, payment methodologies, or like, spontaneous payments over lightning and that kind of thing. And it feels like the nip 57 stuff just sort of went a completely different direction, because it's Ellen URL.

What is that in NiP? 15? What is that I have no idea what that is. That's

zap, that's the protocol for how to do a zap. Oh, and it's all based around Ellen URL, but I feel it feels like Okay, now we have, because I think that we like we had already done this, you know, done the work here to get some histogram and all this stuff and over over things

is apps is that you want to be able to, to be you want the knowledge that is app was executed. A you don't get that with key sand, you do get that with the beat, in theory nipa 57.

So I'm glad you brought that up, Roy, because that see, I feel like that could have been the solution to that could have been Alex's just JSON payment token, which gives you a payment receipt for for your keys. And in in response it could in that could have been truly a synchronous, so you could have you send your key send and then wait to receive a synchronously wait to receive your JpT back with your payment

some work being done to the lightning addresses into the into the podcast in TECHSPEC. Right. So I think everything is converged the widow lighting address and now the lighting address is can be a key scent interface. It can be an Ellen URL interface, and it can be when both wealth is is a is popularized. It can be also both wealth. So I like I don't think it's an issue because everything will get consolidated around lightning address at the end of the day.

How long do you think it's going to take to get to for l&d to move on bolt? 12 So just two years, I mean, no,

no, no, no, there is already work being done a spiral actually are funding a sorry, well, either spiral or chaincode. Someone is fine is funding Clara, a, a one of the one of like a developer that used to work for lightning labs. On l&t Now she's working for either chain code or spiral I think spiral. And she's working on this stuff at the l&d l&d code base. And I think her work will be accepted and will be merged in in there. What I'm trying to say there is an

Okay, that's good to hear. I'm glad that there's at least movement on it, because it just seemed like it was just ignored for a long time.

Yeah, yeah. I again, I don't want to portray the l&d guys in the lightning labs guys is the bad guys here. They have their on their plate. There. 95 plus percent of the nodes are running their software, so I'm sure they're busy. There are

We see the same thing in podcasting. And every every podcast app, pushes in their own direction and does their own thing. And then it really you end up with most most of the time, it's, it's a beautiful thing, because everybody sort of adheres to a common common base protocol of sort of a common way of doing things. And it's, it's great, but then there's, if you get, there's a level of complexity

around the bruises standard standardization. I don't know how you can do the sometimes discussion discussions like I always opt out at some point like I can, like everyone has an opinion. And it's very, very, very hard to

oh, this is exactly this is exactly what happened with podcasting for 10 years, everyone had an opinion, they had groups and steering committees and and nonprofits and industry groups. And now, ultimately, everybody is in it for their own business. And that only works that only works if everyone's a part of the money flow. That I think is not going to say it until I until I spit my last breath into the into the

Yes, friend. Yeah. So I think part of the problem with lightning that lightning is still looking for a go to market fit. So the money isn't really there. So it's the groups like the various implementation, they can't really aligned around the requirements, because everyone has their own requirements, and they think they have a different, like slightly different product market fit. And that's a problem.

Well, I'm not quite sure I understood what you just said there.

I mean, lightning is still looking for, like l&d is focused on an enterprise I structure. Yeah. LDK are focusing on mobile clients, a CLN are focusing on cloud environment.

No one's focused on an actual real world application.

No, no, it's an infrastructure. Yes, it's an infrastructure work. And we don't really know, we don't see the money yet. Let's be honest. If the money was there, I think everyone will be able to align around like, the priorities and in the what requirements are more important than others, but doesn't happen right now.

Well, that all depends on what you what you define the money as being I mean, we we've we've amassed a full Bitcoin over the course of the project so far. We're I mean, we would starve if that's what we had to live on, but we're pretty happy. I mean, it's like a magic money machine to me.

But the bolt that brings me back, that's what I was talking about Bolt 12 is because if you want to look at anything that's an actual real world use application, it seems to me that the only there's two things that have floated to the top in the lightning world that are real world use applications. One is remittance payments across borders, international borders. That's that's a legit use case that's actually powered. We're in a lot of a lot of financial improvement

that again, that means

that the 12 Yeah,

you need both. Well, first to let out let's talk about the use cases that you just presented remittance for some people in the lightning community remittance mean, you need to support stable coins. Online. That means Tarot lnd, lightning labs are focused on thorough and thorough means TabPro channels, temporal channels require a lot of work. So challenging? Yeah.

Well, and with that comes a misnomer. And I still read it. We were reading an article today. The the concept of value for value versus tipping, I think most development organizations, see what we're doing is Oh, that's tipping. And yeah, if you consider it to be tipping, then out the end of the game, you're gonna get a fraction of the tip. You know, it's like, you're not, you're not going to make a lot. But as Dave pointed out at the intro, you got to think about

taneous, payments, spontaneous payment,

spontaneous payment for creative work. I mean, it's, it's an industry that is hundreds of billions of dollars, we just haven't figured out how to capture it yet.

I mean, people have spent Sol million a million set zap the other day to think think to Africa, who was to, and then I mean, we've gotten the 5 million set, Buena Vista Grande, like these are, these are significant amounts of money that are going through spontaneous payments. So I think I mean, if they lean into that, I think it would really help people, you know, to know the way forward because everybody you talked to says, Well, what keys and you know, that's hacky?

Yeah, I agree. I think all the all the people in the ecosystem agree around the use cases, it's not just about the use cases is how to go about implementing these use cases. Right. Some think it should be completely decentralized, some thing that we need to work on building custodial infrastructure, that means enterprise a solution, enterprise grade solutions. Again, with a stable coin, something we need to add, we must add a stable coin layer in

That's why right. But they're building a real world solution for their own benefit instead of thinking further down the road. A so that specifically strike they use stable coins, all kinds of stuff to get it into Fiat on the other end. And so they want they're forcing a use case, which is not necessarily the best for lightning long term.

That again, like in Bitcoin and in lighting in general, the best for lightning the best for Bitcoin is dependent on the community and the people that are building the solution and there is no consensus around what's best for lightning. What's best for Bitcoin? Well, like it's, by definition, it's it's inherently there's no one answer to that. And since there's, there's no a single answer to that. There. You have different people pulling in different directions.

So when when can I build the breeze SDK? Like when is when can I build it?

Come on, Dave. Just

but you said you said I needed green light though. You said I needed the green light port part. Right.

Oh, it oh, sorry, that's my bad, I didn't give you a green light access. Okay, now what we try to do what we try to do, we try to upload the crate into a repo that you won't have to build the bruises decay, I don't know. So I waited for the team to get that done in order to give you like access to the Create, instead of forcing you to build the SDK. Currently, the early design, we're in the early alpha stage, let's just put

not a partner Dave just went on. When I did partner, partner exit, we're not good partners. Oh, I'm sorry, partner, my mother and now I'm like a Jewish woman. Okay. I want to bring your attention to something which I'm very excited about, which I am sure will be one of the first to integrate this. And that's the music side project music side. project.com. Yeah. Just so you know that, you know, we're starting to, we're

I love the White Lake are using the same Yes, unification. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. And I think wavelike put 100 100 artists into the index. Dave, what happened there? Exactly. Yeah,

they're Yeah, they're letting their light in their whole catalogue up as it comes in.

It's beautiful.

It's beautiful. You agree, Adam, that in order to support music, we need a separate dedicated user experience for music, right?

Yeah. Is that what you're building?

Anyone will be able to build it using the freezes decay. But that's

what music side project is ready for? I mean, it's, it's a web app right now. But I, I'm I like web apps personally. I'm okay with that. So use it out of the box without any of the the wakeup stuff.

If the integrated breezes decay into their server,

sure, sure. Sure.

Yeah. Yeah, that's what I that's what I want the breeze SDK for, I want to, I want to have use cases for it on our, on our node. I mean, we do a lot of stuff. So I want to, you know, I want to get in there and start and start using, I've got, I've got ideas, and it's mine is gonna be totally a server side thing. And, you know, we don't do apps. So yeah, I mean, I think the server use case to me is the most straightforward right out of the box. You just go you just hit it

mean that we're in between NF T's or something, right?

Oh, yes. More. ordinals please, more ordinals yay. We love ordinals

Yeah. We want to thank some people.

Oh, my goodness is at that time already? Yeah, we Oh, wow. Yeah, I'm going I'm all lightning out here. Yes, of course we do. Hold on a second. Let me thank some of the people who have been sending in some booster grams while we were lips and a millennial. 5432 don't know if you've heard but I so bought us cotton gins baby seems value split worthy to me. I would love to use the isobar all the time in every show. I do. Let me know where I can sign up. I love I love getting access to

problem by the way I them. Like I like the amount of splits that we have in podcast index is I don't know if it's good. But

hold. You can't just lob that out there and just say I don't know if that's good. What I'm telling me what's wrong, what's happening.

I think it's good for boosts meaning how many splits you have right now eight or nine or 10 or something on this show

on this show and the show. It's alive. No, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. We have. I'll tell you right now. Value 123456. So we had eight but after that comment, we have seven. We're taking you out

at the edit at the app split as well, so

and podcasts index, so there's 10 Probably 1010 Coming Yes. Now. I'm sure that's not efficient is what you're going to say.

And it's okay when you do boost for streaming sets per minute, I think.

But you're you're caching them but you're I mean everyone I'm

smart. That's what I Yeah. So you have a way to work around this stuff by doing like client side cache, right? But it means that you have to have like, again, back to the Smart Client problem. You need to have a smarter client to deal with issues.

Got it? Yeah, I got Okay. Well, luckily breezes very smart about that. Right.

I like them software. I don't like soft smart software.

Okay. Well,

I believe I believe that too.

I mean, I see the problems obviously, but but Bolt 12 will fix all that. Just tell me that's true.

Well, smart, smart software. The problem with smart software is it can't ever be smart enough. And so that you're you always there's always going to be a hole. Yeah.

Or, or maybe it's time to abstract that. Can we have a boost class? So, so so? Stop, okay. I'm sorry. Come on, man. This was a good idea. So you know, the podcast index boost class would be you me the index, you know, a couple of things. We stick in there and just one address and it splits somewhere else down the line? Is that crazy? Okay? Stopped blueberry. See? It's not what?

It's not crazy. Dave?

My new friend Roy's boost class. Okay, I'm just saying the reason I think we made this up with the remote item. If I play a song on a new podcast that I'm going to do, and I'm playing new music from from the index, and I want to boost I want to boost that product, which by itself may have eight splits because of you know, who wrote it, who compose it, who played the guitar, who sang, etc. That would be a boost

yeah. And technically I don't want to get too geeky about it, you can do that maybe you can do that with bolt 12 Because that will allow you both will allow you to unlock keys and there is interaction with the with the with the pay before you pay them so they can initiate a new type of invoice which is kind of similar to hold invoice where the entity that will do the splits later on. They can take the funds but they will be able to create an invoice you send the funds to to

is a Bitcoin bubble study that's this is exactly what

this is. You're back in the split. Okay. Boober 11,111 Cheers to IRC and the badass is who make it the hottest spot with bots on the internet to hang Is it possible to boost by IRC? I think it is actually I think there's some I'm sure something has been done on IRC one of the oldest chat mechanisms on the internet still fantastic today, Lyceum was 1776. Good to hear Roy's future plans. Liberty boost. What is the acronym SDK stands for software development kit. Best

Yeah, you put the breeze SDK into a noncustodial ready brain

15,000 from Matt madeiros. Thank you Matt. Always be closing Dave like check out the podcast. setup.com Douche mode activated two times speed. His brain is so fried and we don't even know what you're talking about.

Just word salad. It

happens. That's what happens to you. Chat F another 3333 We are experiencing the death of Fiat podcasting. Yes, we are exactly what's going on. I like PF FP See ya fiyat podcasting, the Fiat industrial podcast complex. With another one while doing my V for V reports. I tried listening to the donation sections at 1.25x and couldn't even do it. Yes, Chad has taken upon Himself to a document how much we receive in value for value and Fiat and on each basically the whole podcast

name is is Chad Excel fair. And that's right,

sir Spencer 42,069 SATs Laureen and I would like to thank you by the way, I'd like to invite the board and all interested parties out in the promoting stuff to our upcoming bowls with buds featuring the legendary podsafe Dave Dave Jones this Sunday Live Live Live Sunday after no agenda. This week was the one year anniversary of live items debut, which took place the last time Dave was on That's right. February 20 2022. That was the and that was just two days

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Shop and Oh, Todd Cochran 150,020,

his blades on the Impala.

He says big thank you to the fountain team and getting their app demo video out. Oh, do we miss a demo video? Wow, that's fine. That pure listener and podcasts are marketing videos like this are needed. Indeed. apps need to be promoting hosting companies need to be promoting we that's not what we do. Clearly. Also, People's Choice Podcast Awards. Registration is open be nice to honor a stack of podcasting 2.0 podcast it would be indeed, although I get my awards, right

And I'm always surprised at the people like Dave, Dave Weiner this week said podcasting. 2.0 is a terrible name. The guy

the guy who the guy who used RSS 2.0 Please give me a break.

At least I'm always stunned at the people who are shocked that about our lack of marketing skills and like this, you should you should know this by now. Well, this is not what we do. I can

tell you Dave whiners. Head is is crooked, and it's very much in the Leo Laporte arena. Because when he says I know how he thinks, and this is why we don't get along. You think Oh, Adam is trying to capture something for himself called a podcasting. 2.0 In fact, I am on record literally saying podcasting. 2.0 is just podcasting.

Yes, you have said this 1000 times Yeah, and you gotta call it something you can't call it roast beef. I mean, we gotta call it something so I mean, just grab something out of the air or whatever.

It's it's a double edged sword sword you know, I guess it's I'm I'm slipping like a mofo. It's so it's so bad.

It's only been a week. Let me rescue you.

Just I just need to. If I push the bottom lip, see if I push press the lip against my decrepit hole between the temporary teeth and my gums. It's gone. What tape? I'm gonna go have some scotch tape. Paula, you'd start reading those. We'll be right back.

Marco $500 Marco Arment. Thank you very much comes in every month and we're hopefully doing a project with Dan Benjamin's So Marco was gracious enough to give Dan some feature that he needed in his in his APS were market market and very much appreciated in this. Hopefully we'll get some 2.0 stuff Adam soon. Buzzsprout also 500 dollars.com 20

blades on I am Paula. I

just heard that as I was coming back, hold on, let me just Yes. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on

You take the bottom lip.

Yeah. Yeah, let me see. I'm taping it. Oh, this put one under my lip here. Tighter. Yeah, later. Okay. Now it doesn't work. And it hurts. And thank you, Marco. I just was walking out to get the tape. I heard Marco. Thank you so much Marco.

And the boys from Buzzsprout we appreciate them every month and they if they get stuff coming to so we're

What do you mean they got us off? Come they got new stuff coming up. The kids

keep telling you what they got.

We got secrets now. Okay. All right. Yes. I'm

Tom told me.

Roy. Roy, let's not tape tell Dave about that thing. Okay.

Fine. Yeah, fine. No, no, you don't need another paper. You don't just I'm just gonna read it. I'm just gonna tell you the Joshua Hoover gave us $150

Holy crap.

Shot call those blades on him. Paulo is

this post,

Joshua Hoover from the podcast index dot social. He's working on some. He's working on some stuff. And I helped him this week with some API.

That's nice. Thank you very much is me. He says

Keep up the great work. Adam and Dave. And we will. Yes, thank you, Josh. Appreciate it. We got some Mr. Graham's we'll see when we scroll to the top of my booster grant. Oh, here we go. How was writes in us a reset as Angela Richards 1111 He says I saw the live tag on pod verse and I felt compelled to boost Yes, that's how it works boost. Absurd event since it's 100,000 sets and he says hey ho and go podcasting

podcast. I should probably mention last week right now someone midweek on the on chain. Tally coin. Dred Scott 80,000 SATs.

No, the only guy the only guy who really

the only person who ever uses an on chain donation. Just goes to show

he went old school in the middle of a mempool hurricane to you probably paid fees for that. And he's

like, Honey Badger just He don't care. She doesn't care you.

Thank you obsidian for those 100,000 says appreciate that so much. Hard Hat 101 A one. there Curio, Catherine no note thank you. I've had chat F 3333 Is this beef milkshake ain't right is a phrase I never want to hear again. booths. I'm telling you when I was just a big chunk

to eat it was so nasty. Yeah, a big chunk in your milkshake. It's just also wrong.

Melissa texted me a second ago and said beef, beef bugs on the front porch. So I'm good to go after the show.

We can see another Yeah, nice. Yep.

A nine of woodland Shire. Oh, that's a beautiful name a nun of woodland Shire? 99,950 SAS through pod verse. Wow says he or she says I think I just purchased Bitcoin for the first time to participate in the V for V. I hope I did this right? Isn't the amount very little or am I being cheap? Cat

99,000 That's just a little. Um, you know what? I'm gonna throw in a couple of stats and give you 20 blades on the hem Paula? Yeah, we don't have a set sound I guess.

We don't eat on it's like the penny drill. Yeah, we don't have Penny. No. When you look at digital digitized version of whatever. There it is. Yeah, thank you anon of woodland show. Macintosh 2121 through fountain. He says I love the idea of a searchable index of transcripts. Index of the data isn't hard. It's the putting together of meaningful complex searches. But I would personally use it multiple times a week if it happened to be available. Anyways, we can dream

Big up to the same Steven B. Once again, transcript transcript DAST search dot versal dot app. It's in the show notes. He has created a very basic transcript search which I have used five times this week already. This is so genius I mean that You have to tell you can search the directory now. So oh wow, podcasting. 2.0 you typed that in and then it gives you okay, you select the podcast, and then you want to

Yeah, I wonder out this trust free software will deal with my Israeli accent. I think the software

you know, while it's only as good as the transcripts, I mean, I guess because I have I do transcripts interesting. I don't know. I don't know it does pretty well with stuff like that.

When you said when you said my ass a while ago, it picked that up pretty quick. It was it was on top of the game. Yeah. Nailed though. Let's see we got gene been 4096 cents. That's a that's a 4k killer boost is what that is found. He says the female hackers are just smart enough not to get caught. That's right. That's right. Man, Macintosh again. 2121. No note thank you Macintosh. Big row of ducks. 22 To 23rd from Gene bein. He says Matt props to Nathan for what he's done with

for some reason. Our art. Transcripts don't show up. In what? In stinner. Yeah.

I don't know why. I wonder if it's a browser bugs.

Oh, it may be cores issue.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, some of you. He's fighting that battle a lot. Yeah. And browser, you know, mere mortals podcast or buddy? chyron over there. 2222. He says, geez, so many waking up to glory jokes. I don't even know where to start.

Streaming. Exactly.

Kalil 9999. Through fountain he says about the search, would it be possible to create some sort of pod rank by scanning transcripts for mentions of other podcasts? Probably AI needed or something anyways, go podcasting. My first boost was love Khalil go. I could give you some sort of like, you know, Link, incoming link type reference. Yeah, I could see that. I liked

I just like, I would like to know, well, that's kind of like the activity feed that fountain house. If I see that you if I see my friend has boosted a podcast with you know, 50,000 sites, I'm going to be interested. Yeah, that kind of correlations. What really? What really, I love that. I love seeing.

I'll just say again, that I think this needs to be podcast index API, the activity.

The activity feed. Yeah.

Well, how do we do that? We don't have that information.

I'll do it. Yeah, we do, though we have the boost for not for anything, because it's voluntary lines

need to push the information and then the needs to be indexed by the index and have like a unified API for all the clients

that being that as a road of argument.

Yeah, well, slewed, 33 333. He says, Dave, I want to give you a tip that I learned from the Andrew Huberman podcast, if you add a little bit of caffeine into your beef milkshake, it would actually increase the flavor profile subconsciously, in forming addiction, but in a good way, go podcasting

podcast, I'm just struck by was Roy said, so and what you said. So we could basically since we, if if, if people are supporting the index, when they use the API, we can see which podcasts receive what which amount of boosts or money. In fact, we could do bike transactions by boot. We didn't wouldn't have to do it by amount, but we could do it by number of booths, number of transactions.

Yeah, and that's, that's part of what I'm thinking for the breeze SDK is I'd like to have some separate function for that.

Yeah. I agree because doing it on that doing on the big voltage node is scary.

Yeah, do you know ROI that we had when we export it, we had to export all the transactions for our taxes. And we have almost 6 million transactions on the note. Only 6

million it doesn't fit in an Excel and I can

say that because I'm a Jew.

Yes, we have let me rephrase that we only have 6 million right into the guy who probably has 47 billion transactions in your in your across your node fleet.

Hey, Dave, I'm putting that high in my in the top of my brain what you just said the I love this idea. I love

it. I really do this morning about who so we need some stats pages, you know that sort of give that? I love that? Yes. Because I was reading that article and it was like, it was like noster zaps. noster zaps. Oh yeah. And there's this podcasting tip when

tipping has increased with podcasts. It's like no, okay, I'm putting this high on my on my on my scale of things. I'd love to see yes, that would be the best marketing ever and just make it available for anybody. Just take a look. Oh, here's what's going on. I love it.

We'll do it Jean been 4096 He says glad y'all are continuing to run with scissors I'm really excited by cross app contents me too. I am robot since 10,004 sets it says informative informative and educational. Always adding these tool sets to my toolbox five by five in the pipe

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2222 from Captain Egghead he says go podcasting go podcast 500 SATs but this is a nice note this is my first boost I came here after listening to Bitcoin review and the episode with Adam. You told me to come listen to this so boom here I am Baby

All right welcome to the party Powell

How you doing booster for logs and 26,000 SATs it's an honor to watch this project grow Thank you

no thank you thank you for supporting it that's exactly how it works.

I'm some guy named Roy since 54,321 54321 sets through breeze of course. And he just says podcast index.org That's right Don't just post it's not a very creative note ROI

I mean what do you think I put it in there I don't know that's think you ever

sometime you send say something nice

you could you didn't have enough in house alcohol that night. More dreams like drunk ROI that's

the best ROI yeah and isn't it time isn't must be pretty close for you to start hitting the bottle ROI

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through the podcast index website another gift. Me Yes beautiful. Message says Jupiter broadcasting just passed a year accepting boosts. It's been amazing and we're all in testing lit video and audio.

Oh man, those guys I love them. So tipping is up at 8000 tipping is up yeah, that's not a tip people touch value.

I get the feels you've been going through hell and back with that mouth of yours recently. I feel you brother in respect the stiff upper lip approach you've been taking on air? I hope you're doing all right and you're in our thoughts go podcast.

Oh, thank you, man. I appreciate the podcast. It's well, I was I was just I was just thinking the other day yes it's a pain in the ass and I you know they can't keep up with fixing stuff so the soliciting changes because of the multiple procedures but considering I had out what I thought were allergies for 10 years those are gone. I no longer use my hearing

cool neutering eight things is crazy. The hearing aids thing is nuts

have not had them in for weeks at this point.

I can't even I don't even understand

well because my my sinuses were being you know there was an infection there so they were always in you know, it's like your your tubes you know your your your your hearing it was connected to all the other sinuses and all the tubes and it was just gunky in there. I guess I'm you know, pissing green oozing slime

for another comic strip blogger Darius 3015. He says, howdy, David, Adam. It CSB with a special message for all you gringos out there. Now, Greg, I know you Amir, you don't

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CSB is so funny. And he's always about ai, ai cooking machine learning AI, the singularity is coming. And they say, Hey, you know, I'd really love some kind of engine that looks at the transcripts and you know, and makes recommendations. It was something really simple

like search in August when I'm not busy

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thank you all very much for supporting podcasting. 2.0 you're supporting the project, you're supporting the infrastructure, you're really supporting everything and the future, your future proofing podcasting 2.0 the index. As everything stays within the node for liquidity, everything is being built up so that if we fall down, we just need to have an automatic payment thing set up with with Linode. You know, so just put it like a, like a dead man's switch just starts,

Okay, since we the only time that we get to talk is during your podcast.

Oh, man. Oh,

man. The guilt.

There's the Jew guilting. Us? Yes. Okay.

Yeah, now you sound like my mom. I gotta get back to work. We gotta we gotta we gotta chop it. We gotta chop,

chop and drop. I do want to

hook you up with SDK stuff. Dave, don't worry about it. And thank you. Thank

you. Thank you. I'm done to get into that. Yeah,

Roy, we really appreciate all you've done to support us, besides just you know, absolutely being there. For any questions or insights into the industry. I think, you know, I'll call you more often. I'm sorry, it's completely my fault. I was just knowing I was having had surgery. I expected you to show me as you can soup with chicken.

I just wanted to say like, I miss you. And that's what I'm trying to convey. I know, I know. I'm doing it with you my own like passive aggressive way, but

it's appreciated. Quick reminder, pod bean is going to be using the 2.0 namespace for transcripts. We appreciate that I'm sure Todd Todd had something to do with that now that he's over there. Rob, Rob Greenlee and, and

for those years s.com also rolled out the TX T tag.

Oh, beautiful. And reminder and remind your listeners if you're a podcaster. You can export your subscriptions and import them into any good app. And I think all of our apps do that. People always questioning how do I get my subscriptions Export Export OPML export podcast. Promote that as much as you can. Roy we look forward to you know the SDK to rolling that out you just gave us some great ideas. I liked the recommendation, or the ranking or whatever we're going

Thank you guys. Thank you for exposing me to the wonderful world of podcasts.

Yes. And one of these days we'll get you to listen to more than just one. There's a lot out there you might enjoy the other way. Why?

I like listening to your rent.

Just listen to this half of a podcast because that's twice the speed. All right. Great weekend, Roy. Have a great weekend. Chat Room. Have a great weekend. We'll talk to you next week podcasting 2.0

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