Episode 119: Bowl of Noodles

podcasting 2.0 for January 27 2023, episode 119 bola noodles Hello everybody. Welcome back to the board meeting and podcasting one where we protect and extend podcasting. We got all the latest news for you. Everything happening around podcasting itself of course with our own unsalted opinion. We've got the latest for podcasting. duxtop index.org, the namespace and anything else happening on podcast index dot social where

it all goes down. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama running a fever but the show must go on. Say hello to my friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones. Hello, barely made it back. Hello. You said you said pull the cord and I did and then I pulled the cord and ran to get my lunges, your laws and how are you doing brother? You're not feeling good, you know and feel like garbage. It's really not that

it's not that bad. It's all up in my throat. And my throat is killing me but when you're a podcaster that's kind of bad. It's not a good thing. It is bad and I'm just not getting much sleep. I wake up I go to sleep and I'm not too bad. And then about two o'clock in the morning I know I wake up in and I think as I think my mouth

comes up I start breathing through my mouth at night. Oh while I'm asleep and then that dryer just dries out my already kind of ragged throat in a wake up and my throat is just like on fire you know? Yeah. And I just can't and then I have to start hitting Tylenol and trying to get it all under control. And then before you know it, it's like four o'clock in the morning and I'm trying to fall asleep again.

Well, I know this is happening because I'm getting DMS from around 3:25am Funny thing is I'm replying it for him texted you like 230 And then I woke up this morning. And it was like you replied at like 330 What are you doing? I woke up You know, I was like, honestly, I didn't wake you up with a Dane. Okay, okay. I'm still suffering from the opioid poisoning to be honest. Opiate Oh, the fen. Yeah, it's well not the fentanyl but the hydrocodone. It was really

messed up my insides and just my I'm off. You know, I'm just off. I'm hungry, constipated and bloated all at the same time. Um, like a woman. Sorry, I was really bad. No, that is bad. That's this terrible thing. I missed the worst thing I could have said. But I've heard from women I've lived with including my mom, my sisters. And my wife. You know, this is like this. If I complain about this year at home, it's like, Oh, really? Try on a baby. Well, that always

that's always the death row at the end. Like Shut up. Try having a kid. Okay. How many hours were you in labor? Adam? Exactly. I'm gonna make it though. I'm gonna make okay. I'm glad you can make the show. I mean, people can barely hear I know you so I can hear it a little bit. But you're hanging in there, brother. You're hanging on the tax professional. I mean, a podcast professional. Well, have you been to the office? Not you staying at home,

right? No, I'm in the office every day. No, you're kidding me? Yes, yes. That's you're going to the office and with the your seething infected airways real men go to the office. That would be the ISO if we did one. I'm going to mark that. I'm gonna mark that just in case I don't know why. I think I might need that. You know? Strike. Did you say strikes big news today? I did. There. I thought this was already happening. They're integrating with clover. Which I How big is clover? They're their

point of sale. Merchant network, I believe right? Yes, this there like, like the square point of sale terminal type deal. I think they're a competitor in that whole market. Yeah, but I mean, like this, it's it's a big deal. The Clover stuff is all there in a lot of restaurants and stuff is good. Yeah, this could be a big deal. And they're they made it I guess the best thing is it's not a strike. They just evidently built the pathways for it and the back end because you don't

have to use strike to pay. Right. You can use any any lightning right? In your own note. There's that part. That's the best part. I liked that a lot. Yeah. I'm itching to try it. Now. I hope there's somebody local to me that I can like give this a shot because that would be like super cool. So they do full service dining. Almost like I'm gonna go back you haven't actually looked at this full service dining, quick service dining, retail stores, personal service, professional

services, home and field services. It doesn't wonder how big they are just now. I don't know how many they have. It doesn't matter. It's Fanta it's a three month trial from what I understand and if every Think goes well, they'll make it permanent.

Which is cool. I mean, it sounded like maybe I misunderstood the way they were wording the whole thing but it sounded like like they were gonna do it regardless they just wanted some preliminary data about how many you know like how much traffic they were going to get maybe for maybe for back like infrastructure sizing or so they would know what channels to get and says like, at launch estimate, just traditionally I think strike this is a jack Mahler's company they they were

using more than just lightning right? They were using other stable coins and weren't they? Were they using tether something like that now EUR USD see maybe I tried to explain some of this to Joe Rogan. I was on your show earlier this week and not as anything you want to talk about with that? Well, of course, but you know by design, I do not listen to anything with you during the week leading up to the show. I don't wanna be spoiled. So this is off I haven't had listened to nothing.

Nothing that I've not listened to the Joe Rogan show. We talked about my teeth of course, you know, I was just getting just buttering him up let him know. letting him know how horrible My experience was but just so he could go Oh man. Oh, that's horrible. I can't believe it. Yeah, Joe I'm a real man. You're fishing you're fishing for Oh man. They look great. Oh no, no, I didn't fish that's it Don't they look great. Just went straight for it. Of course of course right for sure.

Look at my teeth with a beautiful I was really trying to just have a I mean we had a great conversation three and a half hours and it wasn't like any one topic we hit on so many different things I got to do a lot of he brought up a Bitcoin FTX and you know, I think I made a lot of the Bitcoin bros very happy by saying oh no all that other stuff is just shit coins got to go to zero. I was pretty brazen. But I did get some I think some real good points in there. Like Todd at pod fest?

Well, well every time I watch I unfortunately, I haven't been able to listen to Todd but I will talk about him later for sure. Now he said from the podium during this during his like talk he's said that some about the the day value as Bitcoin not shit coin. You got a bunch of applause Well, you are in Florida. Well, that's exactly what it's very interesting. Because I learned something. I talked about alignment. This is such a

huge show. I mean, it's got to be one of the biggest audiences of any certainly in the United States but probably the world is I mean, what does you have 10 11 million Yeah, know, it's big. I was about to ask you how many was to estimate I think 10 At least well but it's it's big. So anything you

do you get people commenting. So I talked about beef and you know beef initiative and like you know, just I mean what I do is the same we do here what I do on every show just talking about whatever's going on in my life you know, so hey, had the meat mafia guys over you know, bought bought a third of a cow paid with Bitcoin all these kinds of things. I would try to bring up podcasting two point I'd say it from time to time. Yeah, that's

exactly what we're doing with podcasting. 2.0 and Joe would go boom into another direction. He was he was not interested in hearing about it. But what was kind of cool about that. Now I learned something about Twitter. Joe no not not from Joe because there's so many comments I've gotten yet 2000 more followers he does the whole thing blows up. And so Tina has you know, she's really good at this stuff. She's looking at stuff she's reading stuff to me Oh, look at this, this comment this comment

and like where is that? And as it turns out, you do not get all your mentions on your timeline at all. You have to go and search do a search for your name to see everything I did not know so yeah, they are. We call we'll call it shadow banning or whatever. And I'm not quite sure what the algo is because Tina was doing this as well and she would have different things that

would show on her timeline versus mine. And so only only audio when she did a only when we both do a search for my name can you really see everything that comes through and I'd say it's a good 20% that doesn't show up on your on your mentions timeline, which I found to be a lot and I didn't know that I can't really find a I'm actually seeing this now on ours. I just searched for add podcast index. Org. Yeah. And I'm seeing a whole bunch of stuff I haven't seen before Exactly.

And I don't it doesn't seem to be related to number of followers. I just don't know maybe people have a flag or I you know, but it's it was a little jarring because I had no idea that that was taking place. I figured, well, I mean, yeah, sure, some people I may not show up on my regular timeline. But if you're tagging me at Adam curry, which you think it would

show up? Yeah, so that was a little. And we talked about Elon, and about what I think he's doing what he's actually publicly said that he wants to Twitter to be your wallet, you know, the WeChat. And everything is SOS. So I got some hate. Some Elon haters are haters on me because I love Elon. But at a certain point, when we were talking about podcasting, and Joe says, it's really hard to break into podcasts, so many of them. I said, well, that number is a little disputed. He said,

What do you mean? I said, I don't want to disparage anyone you might have a relationship with a business relationship says, I don't give a shit. I have no relationship to numbers to Okay. Well anchor which Spotify bought, has created a bunch of shit. And they put that into Spotify. And they claim they got over 5 million podcasts. And we sift through that stuff. And it turns out, there's at least a million a million a half that can just be disregarded. Yeah. And I was

kind of proud that we got that out. We got that out. It was kind of cool, though. Well, the latest happenings at Spotify. Yeah, knowing what's going on. Yeah, that that just reiterates that anchor has to be they have to be a goner. Well, there's, there's a lot more going on. I mean, the whole industry has problems. And let's just get through it right now,

because I did make some notes about this. And I want to make it clear that people who say James, that this is the that this is the stock market, market stock market is doing this, I need to set you straight. I have that on my notes I have the James stock market is the Tokyo Stock market is not like some ominous thing that controls the company. No, the stock market is people who own pieces of these companies. And the more pieces you own, the more you can get on

the board, the more influence you can have. Once you take your company public, then you live or die by your investors, which are now many more, and they can punish you in different ways by selling your stock which really hurts the company. And the main way that hurts the company is people are given options as part

of their compensation package. And I've run my took my company public ran it I know all the things that go on all the all the tips and tricks, even how the stock prices are manipulated and what it does to a culture inside a company when the stock price drops. Now this is across the board, I might add that no all stocks everything has dropped to 60 70% over the past year or so. But there's something else that needs to be understood about Spotify. Spotify did not have a

traditional IPO. They didn't go public with an underwriter. They they were one of the outside of Google but they did this as well. They did a Dutch auction, where you you just appear you just you you go public, but without an underwriter and what that does, it enables everybody who invested early. And when I say invested a lot of people, you know they raised a billion dollars here they raised $400 million there. Everybody who had stock got out immediately at the opening price. That is typically

when you go public. If you're an insider, and you hold stock, you have to hold on for lockup period, which could be three months, six months, etc. As an IPO, you don't have to do that. Well, yeah, well, if you don't if you don't have those, those contracts, and it's called the direct listing, and so also not having an underwriter means it doesn't cost 5% of the money you raise. So they didn't really raise anything with going public, all they did was making their investors record companies

making those investors very rich right off the bat. And then they and they have 00 power over their inventory. They do not control the pricing of the of the music licensing. And, and and when you have no control over your cost of goods, you're always going to be a slave to the people who deliver the goods which are the, the labels and the publishers. Subsequently, they also, I think, pay the lowest amount of royalty to two artists, which is you know, it's kind of a new category of

artists. If you didn't weren't a writer or musician or composer. You are, I would say writer composer, you wouldn't get anything other than the deal you made with the publisher ie your record company. So, you know, let's just remind each other or everybody that this is why Spotify went into podcasting because they thought, Oh, this is a popular thing. It's all Audio, we can easily combine that. And well, we can we free we can grab it, we can grab all the content which, you know,

which they did liberally. Which is fine. I mean, I don't mind a podcast app having my podcast but not if not if there's stipulations they can do whatever they want with it. No, I'll take that back. And I actually had to get messy with them. So I'm gonna sue you if you don't take the shit off and never sign anything. I don't want it right now for all my shows. The so they they were thinking they could control the

price. And then and I met Sam Seth, he had a great analogy said, this is kind of like, you know, Dawn Ostroff, who apparently was making $9 million a year. She's the one that set up the initial big content deals with the Obamas with Kim Kardashian with Joe Rogan. Yeah, that's a total Hollywood play.

It's at Hollywood player. And it's completely analogous to Terry Semel, who came in to turn Yahoo from a directory listing, in essence, to a media company, you know, Yahoo had Yahoo mail they had, I think Yahoo financial is still pretty popular. But yeah, sports, yes. But they, they fizzled out. I mean, it never became the the Hollywood powerhouse that it was supposed to be. And there was more than Terry Semel, there were a couple of Wait, Melissa, Marissa Meyer from from Google,

she went in there for $100 million. And whoa, I'll take care. So it's very hard to do these things, if you have a Hollywood mindset, or a Hollywood approach. And I put a number of articles into the so first of all this going direct and not with an initial public offering, means you have no underwriter. So there is literally no one to support your

stock. So an underwriters job, part of the fee that they get is, if the price starts to go down, which makes, you know, that could result in a lot of people selling and all kinds of nasty stuff. It is their job to, to prop that up. By buying stock, people are saying they'll buy, they'll buy in there, hold the buy and hold. I mean, it's a whole they buffer, they buffer it as best they can. But they also help you do secondary raises, and you know, you need money. And as we know, Spotify has

really not turned a profit. And now they're being punished for it, as are all these companies. And the main reason is, in order to get money is just more expensive. We've been down we've discussed this several times. The gross margins are not there. I mean, it's not Disney is my understanding of Spotify has contracts. And everything are that, that they are structured so that the more

revenue and the more the more premium. The more listeners and the more revenue they make their their payouts to the record company to the major record levels levels go up commensurate with that. So it doesn't make they're not they can't escape their current profit margin, if they're if they're at 25%. They'll never get above that correct. It's just always always

goes up in lockstep with whatever they do. And this is their only escape hatch was to make more money through podcast advertising, because this just getting more premium subscribers through podcasts doesn't help you with your main with your main expense, which is record labels. Because the more because the more subscribers you have, the higher your fees, go to the record label. So you, you have to make up the difference. You have to increase your profit margin, there's only one way and

that's through increased advertising rates. And they can't they just seem unable own podcasts. I mean, so they they seem unable to make that happen. Well, there's a second A second issue is they are pretty much locked into their subscription price. Because there's so much competition, people will jump if they because really they need to raise that by $1 at least probably more just for inflation alone. And instantly, you'd have millions of people bail to Apple Music or something like that, or

whatever, or whatever. They also treat the artists like shit historically, you know, the record companies, they can just screw it, I'll just take it off, you know, hey, Taylor Swift made them pay, you know, there was there was this they have they'd have no power. And let's just be honest, the podcast industrial complex does not there's just not enough money in it. And now we have the perfect storm where advertising is is going down.

But I realized as Joe and I were talking that tick tock which and it is my opinion that tick tock is is is under attack right now. Not because they're their American company. They use Chinese Technology and I'm sure that there's all kinds of stuff being tracked and I'm sure their algos are unhealthy. Yeah, like Instagram isn't unhealthy. Or like Facebook isn't it doesn't have unhealthy algorithms but tick tock has been eating their advertising lunch. And Tiktok also has a blanket license fee

as a blanket license. They can so they they are now a music app as well. And Sony has a direct relation to Sony Music has a direct relationship with them. Does Sony Music own any of Tik Tok? I don't think they own any epically. But they have a partnership, which means they're making a lot of money. If you look at the music industry, it is tick tock right now, it's not Spotify, it's not Apple Music. It's not Facebook, even though all of those players have licenses for streaming and for

streaming music. Every artist and I've I know some but I've heard them all say I gotta be on Tik. Even Hollywood movies, you gotta be on tick tock. So all the licensing and everything is going to tick tock and that is where a lot of the advertising is going, including podcast advertising, because that's where the people are. And there was someone sent me a really interesting metric. Do you know why? We can know that tick tock is crushing it versus everybody else. And mind you discuss this

on with Joe as well. That Tiktok is also devaluing Google search. Because people go to Tik Tok to search for stuff. What's a great restaurant in Austin. And you'll see, instead of getting a list of links, which are ads, and you know, you have to go to page three to get some real opinions. You get whatever tick tock spits out, but it's Hey, look at this great restaurant. Everyone's so creative. Here we are. That's how people search for stuff

these days. It's no longer, you know, and chat GPT is is kind of an outgrowth of that problem. But the way you can know that Tiktok is crushing it is by looking at the layoffs. They've done. Oh, I'm sorry. None, none that I can find. I'm sure I'm sure at some point. But even I found a link here. This is from December last year, so just about two months ago. Where is it? That's a different one. As meta and this is from CNN, very trustworthy, by the way, as meta and Twitter's slash staff tick

tock plans to keep hiring to. So that kind of gives credence to the idea that advertising and look I'm sure, I'm sure there are lots of brands that want to advertise on podcast. But if, if you want your product to work, you have to get your product out there in front of people. Tik Tok is the place to be. And you can just ask anybody in the advertising industry. This is this is interesting. There's a really good, that's a really good. That's a really good metric that you can

measure. Yeah, that's a good metric. Because there's I haven't heard anything about problems at tick tock, no financial problems whatsoever. No. They're I mean, at least I mean, there doesn't mean there's not any but there, you would think you would think with the hatred of tick tock right now, if there was some I mean, it that would be no, there would be news everywhere. And so my, my thesis is, since it's a meta and Google and now whoever else they Google spends hundreds of millions of dollars

on on lobbying politicians. So it's not unthinkable that you know, that politician Oh, yeah, it's China. Gotta get rid China. The programming people. I mean, okay. Sure. I've got to clarify, I've got to clarify what I said. Because I got a long email from Ryan hice. This past week, why do I know this name? Tell me Ryan Ryan Heiser? Yeah, he's done a lot of transcript work. And he does. Yeah. So, Ron, good, you know, great developer. Good guy. He sent me this long email.

About he got let go of modify. No, no, no. That's a different. No, no, that's Nathan. Nathan. Right. Yeah. So it Ryan got a sent me a long email about how seeing that I had misunderstood Google's AI stuff. And how Google had they had a bunch of great AI in the mix and all that kind of stuff. The understand how you could have taken it that way. That is not my point. My point was not let in last week talking about that was not that Google did not have good AI

juice. No UX juice. Yes. The It's got nothing to do with their AI. I'm sure they've got top notch AI. They cannot, what their problem is that they're still there their main product their cash cow. They're certain they're good the google.com I'm feeling lucky search page is, is, is inadequate. It does not function right. For today it like it's being left behind.

They're not. And honestly, there's an outside of like it and the more technical people, I don't see a lot of people using the Google Search anyway, like going to google.com and doing a search. I mean, I've been, I've been using Neva, which is a paid search engine run by former Google Search guys. And it costs $5 a month. And they they just added a chat GPT like interface.

I said, Oh, you want that. Okay, and so but they show oh, here's the force, or the four or five sources this answer came from, and it spits out an answer in English. And it's like, oh, wow, that's really exciting. I mean, it's just links, but they connected it with words. And you know, they've gotten reasonable AI, they're just quicker to implement it. But it's, it's all a UX thing. It's not necessarily the technology behind it is I think that's what you're saying.

Yes, sir. Search is going to search is going to become a commodity. Like now I'm having a hard time thinking of example, I mean, the same way Tik Tok is searched now that it's, you could Yes, you can push it all you want. But if people are using it, people are using Tiktok. To search you can jump up and down and say you're not searching, right. But that's not going to stop people from using it.

You end up going to Google for searching things like you know, some topic that's for a book report or you trying to find, you know, my my iPad, my iPhone, how to how to reboot iPhone, which button combination, they I mean, things like that. And then you you find the first page of links is mostly crap and irrelevant. And it's just, I don't know, it's just the more it's pushing. Google's crap search is now pushing everybody in. It's pushing everybody into other areas of, of search surge

in it, they're there if they don't change that. They're screwed. That I mean, they're there because they don't have another cat. They don't have another money cow. In the mix at what you were talking about the Tick Tock I get. I sort of went down a little bit of a rabbit hole when you're talking with David Cohen, from IB, he's evidently co CEO of IB. And they're like, I he is an Interactive Advertising Bureau, I think is what say,

Yes, he does. Right. Yeah. And they do the podcasts, you know, download down. Oh, good. I have a clip that'll fit with this. I'm sure but okay. Really? Yeah. Yeah, is what does, yeah. So they're, they're the ones that dropped their fees from like, 50 grand to $12,000. In the first certifying every hosting company search or metrics as approved. Yes. Which is very, it's very complicated compliance, right, very

complicated. And which, of course, is being crushed in a way by Spurlock's op three, op three, yeah, absolutely. crushing it. You got a guy who can afford a server? You can you can, you can crank it up with David Cohen, I be staring down the barrel. And I think we can talk like a little bit about clearly what the feelings are at the IB, several areas of focus. For ALM I think you mentioned before privacy and addressability.

What's ALM? Do we know what ALM is, that is the name of their marketing conferences to advertising. Lying marketer. Let Liz Williams machines are several areas of focus. For ALM I think you mentioned before privacy and addressability is clearly one of them that we're you know, we're facing down the barrel of five state laws coming into effect in 2023. National privacy reform made some progress this year, but we'll probably going to take that up

again in the next Congress. The future of kind of the the streaming world, both audio and video, we call that kind of flexibility and fluidity, blurring the lines between awareness and demand. You know, historically, we've thought about, you know, lead generation focused activities and brand focus, we think that there's a blurring of the lines. So there'll be a track focused on that. We're gonna talk about trust and transparency and humanity in the digital

ecosystem. We're going to talk about recalibrating measurement and attribution. So streaming is clearly an area we're also going to be talking about, kind of where is this industry going? You know, what? Where does web three? Where do NF T's? Where does the metaverse AR and VR fit in? And how can we give some practical and pragmatic suggestions for where marketers should be putting their money? So there's no doubt as you said,

streaming is, is a key part of that. But one of many things that we're going to be talking about. So what do you think when you hear just that this there was there was no recording by design? They did not let they did not stream or record the conference this year for the, to my knowledge for the first time, they did not make it available for streaming. It was in person only. And he even says, but but I got a transcript of his keynote speech. He opened it.

Oh, that's what the it of course, people should know that when Dave sends me stuff, I don't listen. I don't look if it's a picture and I did not look but a C colon IAB speech dot txt. Okay, what's in? Yes. Can we publish this? That's probably illegal. Well, somebody, somebody put it on a Google Doc. There's a link to that. We can just link to the google ca. Yeah, I won't be careful. Yeah, yeah, we should link to the Google Doc. But anyway, he just said, I think no, I think it was requested. I

think somebody requested it. And the IB sent them the text of the speech. So I think that's what that Google Doc is. But the word podcast does not show up in the transcript. No, it does not. And I can tell you why. And I think you understand from the earliest, I think you may agree with me from listening to that, to his preview of what they're going to be talking about there. I think they're, they're terrified of regulation.

And they have no idea what to do. Those are my two doesn't have to take away what are the what regulation are they terrified of? Well, he thought this this, this speech was very, very interesting. He says, I'm going to talk about three big things this year. And if you remember nothing else, I want you these to be your major takeaways. And so take away one, extremists are winning the battle for hearts and minds in Washington, DC and beyond. We cannot let that happen. Oh, sure. School

Republicans is what he just said. No, no, no, no, he's no, he's called him. He's calling. He's calling everybody out. He says, if you ask Assad rums and Ollie, former Red legislative assistant to democratic California representative Anna issue, and current Chief of Staff for the White House, Office of Science and Technology Policy, digital ads are, quote, a means for misinformation and insightful speech to proliferate and hurt people. Unquote. Okay, he throws Amy Klobuchar under

the bus to Cruz. He's throwing everybody under the bus that they get. And he's he goes over here and he also calls out accountable tech. He says, just look at the venomous accusations leveled at us by accountable tech, one of the more virulent anti advertising groups trying to shut down the ad supported internet. Yeah, they say digital advertising has a toxic business model that exists to quote exploit users and businesses at

tremendous societal cost. Accountable tech is no organic, organic grassroots effort, led by concerned citizens it's an arm of a for profit, multi million billion dollar Washington lobbying group named Arabella Advisors, a group, The Atlantic calls, quote, The mothership of progressive dark money. Okay. Yeah. And so he could I mean, he's like, they're the half literally half of this speech, if not more, is about the dangers of legislation that's going to curtail digital ad tracking.

Well, not just that, I would argue that from day one, just everyone realizes podcasts. index.org was set up to thwart any Silicon Valley company that thought that they could own the index to podcasting and take stuff out whenever they felt like it. The second part of what we did is the value for value streaming, streaming payments and the Boosted board, the booster grams actually grew out of it. That was the that was

part of the beauty of, of the project. But we've always said, advertising is censorship and what you see continuously with different so there's also legislation in there not just for tracking but for hate speech, and for all other variations of speech suppression. That I think that it's used as a wedge by groups all over the spectrum, to shut people up or shut down platforms by by removing their adverts or

taking away their lifeblood, which is advertising. And the way you do that is say, That guy's a racist, you know, and if I'll just interrupt for 48 seconds to prove my point. This is from the World Economic Forum ratioed Edelman Edelman worldwide is a huge marketing PR firm And here's what he had to say he's the CEO.

So I think the first thing that because I mostly work with business that business needs to do is deprive platforms that spread disinformation of oxygen, stop advertising, pull your promotion money, make sure that they understand that they have a consequential impact on society. And the boycott of Twitter for several months has had a modest, modest impact. But I think the

Facebook one failed. And, but the necessity of getting it right in the platforms that are probably primary source information for the third to 40% of people is urgent. So it's not bashful about it. Yeah, just political means or whatever reason he has. We're just gonna pull up advertising to force people into compliance. Yeah, it's giants. But at the data, like institutionalized now, oh, yeah. Yeah, so but the one thing that this guy hates

more than anything? Is Apple. Man, this guy hates apple. Why? I mean, wow. Oh, because they turn off a whole bunch of tracking things. Yeah, it's I mean, listen, this. We have to take on the extremists if we want to survive, but there are also quote, enemies within and that starts with Apple. After years of failing to build a significant market for ads and Apple Music in Apple TV and on the iPhone. Apple has decided the next best thing is to stop anyone else from making money in

advertising. That's why they are the poison apple. Apple's App Tracking transparency vaporized an estimated $9.8 billion of revenues for Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and snap, according to the Financial Times. What's more, I be estimates that Apple single handedly wiped out another six and a half billion

in revenues for publishers on the open web. Apple has dealt a cruel blow to the millions of companies created off the backbone of the open internet, including 1000s of small businesses, and millions of income owner income earning creators that's rich. We add track people anymore, Apple was evil. Apple is anti advertising and public was sales of iPhones stagnating privately Apple is pitching as to everybody on

Madison Avenue. True. That's true via Apple's aims to lead Apple's aims to let them expand their advertising business while rewriting the rulebook. So the rest of the industry can't compete. Apple will try smothering the advertising industry just like they did to the record, meet the recorded music industry. We can't sit back and watch that happen. I mean, he just goes on and on. I mean, like he's just he's got another two paragraphs about Apple.

Yeah, well, they the Apple has a lot of power in this regard. And again, so now it's backfiring on them. You know, I mean, this none of none of this is surprising to me. And I think we've been very clear, certainly on this show over and over again, this is not the way to this is why we set this up is not the way to go. There's one other thing I want to bring up when it comes to advertising. And this is something that I know about. I I knowingly participated in it. Yeah, by not

I left my own company because of it. We put it that way. And that is that. Yes. And that is a scam that is advertising based upon views, downloads, streams, whatever you whatever you want to count. It's it's called arbitrage. And that it worked really well, when there was lots of money. Just keep saying it. And interestingly, and I've avoided even paying much attention to this whole fractus with Steven Crowder and the daily wire and how much money that we're gonna make or not

make. And it's it's all in fighting. It's all incredibly boring and boring. Boring is boring. But Steven Crowder reminded me of something that happens in companies and he's gonna he's gonna say it's only what he calls big con, but it's across the board, all technology companies, all media technology companies. And that's the following that hurts creators in the same thing, by the way, we're talking about misleading practices. With sponsors. There's no problem, right? And

this is all publicly verifiable. I want you guys to audit this, but there don't have to be as many receipts provided. you market your channel, right. I think we probably have some ads running right now, like Spotify. Like yeah, if you'd like to show tune on Spotify. But there's a big difference. We know that there's a huge prominent industry of pay to play. Now,

you can do that. That's fine. If you want to know your numbers, but what does that pay to play means that you can buy views, right, you can pay to play you can run your video as a pre roll ad and people see that number, but really, a lot of them are 14 Second views eight seconds, but it's still clicks that counter close is apples to apples comparison that you could do right now as you can go out and and take like, let's say not

this controversy because there's cross pollination. Okay, so I'm just going to cut it off there. And it's linked to bitter, bitter, bitter, bitter, but I mean, it gets lost so fast. So the idea is, you buy ads, or clicks or streams or views or some bullshit in a game that results in a number of one to 10. Whatever is legal IAB, I think it is, you know, was it one second one minute, whatever it is, is not the full show is certainly not going to be all the ads. And that counts as a

view or download a stream. I'm just generalizing, we all know what we're talking about. And you but you, you buy that interaction, which is not a real person. I mean, it may be a person but not doing it because they're interested listening and will hear ads. You do that for $10 per 1000. CPM. And you turn around and you sell it yourself to show to advertisers for $22. CPM. And that arbitrage is getting out of whack. That is

awesome. It's well, it's it's really sad it really and it's funny, because it's so engrained, my my friend over there to 100% retro, which is the 24 hour streaming station. He's now he started off doing this expecting to do ads. And I and I just helped him bootstrap the streaming payments on top of it. And so he's now he has investors, this is so typical, he has investors, and most of it's his own money, but he has a couple of investors. And he needs to show how things are

going. So what he does, he goes to, you know, these are legitimate firms, and you will spend 3000 euros to show that you have X amount of people who are listening. And if you sold that you would have made this much money. I mean, the whole thing is circular. Now, it there's a there is a fine line between advertising your station, and getting people who maybe have an incentive to click on something or incentive to download something other than I'm interested in this

programming. That, to me is fraudulent. And it's everywhere. But now it's falling apart. And I think Spotify. Without argument, there's a lot of shenanigans with streaming farms, you've seen him with people a whole wall full of cell phones that are just streaming the same song from different IP addresses different user accounts. So the music has

totally been skewed. And it's fake. I would argue that many firms like maybe I heart or podcast, one, or maybe Spotify themselves with some of their exclusives are in fact, engaging in this practice as well. And so it's a house of cards, that once the cheap money dries up, which is now happening is starting to collapse. Well, in the you know, it's it's the this goes back to the stock

market issue. I mean, like because the stock market just responds to the, the financial, the economic climate of, of what is going on at the time, if you want to if you want to find a real a real devil here. The problem is the central bank, the problem, the central bank's The problem is not the stock market, when the central banks drop rates to zero, you can't put your money in a savings account and earning and, and have it just sit there, you can't it's it's fiduciary irresponsibility

to do that. So you have to you have to do something with that money in the own. That's where the growth at all costs mindset comes from? Because you have to have an exit strategy. If within the absence of you know, in the absence of 0% interest rates, markets, markets work in a rational way. So like that, you know, if they're not phony, which you know, there's some shenanigans going on they're

building fraud is getting fraud, you know, pure fraud. Like the the real problem is the you know, is what was the greens, the famous Greenspan perverted, perverse incentives, but a irrational exuberance or whatever, like, that's where all that stuff comes from. It comes from as a response to the central bank. So then now the central bank has turned the screws and companies don't know what to do now because they they still can't park their money in, in in liquid places, because

those interest rates still have not risen. But the interest rates to get the arbitrage on the amount of free money from the banking system has has gone up. So you basically there's no money to be had, but you can't put it anywhere safe, so they don't know what to do. All they know to do right now is just trim the fat make cash flow as high as possible, which means getting rid of their people, and just hunker down and wait for the next shoe to drop, like Evan readin? What is that? The name

of the book is the technological society by Jacques Ellu. Have you ever read the Yes, of course, it's what you want to read right after you read industrial society and its future. Because this, this book is dense. And how many pages is fed maybe about 500 pages, I don't know if you know of top your head, but it's dense. So I mean, it takes a little while to get through. But it's kind of blowing my mind over and over

again, he makes this it makes this point about technology. So he calls individual technologies, he refers to them as technique. And so he gives that he gives this example, he says, he's making the point that technique in any particular line of technique, any particular technological pursuit, a technique, and that strain is going to go naturally from through its most simple incarnation through to more and

more complex. So he gives the example of nuclear power. He's like, you can't, he says, you know, the atomic bomb, was a necessary step on the road to something better, which would be, you know, power generation through nuclear power plants or something like that. Because the atomic bomb blowing shit up is the is the most simple use case, you break that you split the atom and stuff blows up. So that's like step one, you know, it's like, hello, world of nuclear of nuclear, it's the

hello world of nuclear energy is blow is blowing people up. So you, you, you have to go through that step first, in order to get to down there many years down the road, you have, you know, you have things like control, you know, nuclear power, which is way more complicated, because then you're talking about

perpetual containment of a nuclear nuclear force. So he, so he's making that exam, he's, and he's also in the middle of that saying, well, but you have to remember, you know, technique and technology is, is is a moral, it doesn't care about the morality of the thing it's doing, right, individual people may care. But that's sort of irrelevant, because the thing is going to go on its own course. And I feel like this is the set, you can make an analogy there. To, to what's going on in the

advertising, in advertising. And the digital advertising in the internet landscape as a whole, is, you had to go through that first, the initial sort of raw, simplistic idea that we can put an ad on a website, somebody will click on it, and then you get paid. That's sort of the same. That's the Hello World of Internet advertising. That's, you know, that's blowing shit up. Well, Z, you know, people begin, Apple. People, you start using VPNs, people are using ad blockers, legislation starts get

pet, these things begin to evolve. Because people don't want that in their life. They don't want tracking, they don't want given up all this stuff. So then these things have to evolve to take account for Apple's private relay. And these are the things that are going to make app download tracking impossible. And attribution impossible the rat race well, well, you know, you have now you have to evolve if you're the IB

you have to evolve these things to take that out. And that's what me and Dan Benjamin tried to do by proposing, you know, a very simple thing that doesn't rely on IP address tracking, to get you know, to give them some ideas on how to start that discussion, and they weren't getting out if you get up on my face you man. But, but that's like, you know, but what they want they've they've learned to love the bomb. They just want the bomb.

They don't want they don't want nuclear they don't want a nuclear submarine they just want their there's like why can't we just have wars warheads and blow shit up? Yeah, that's what they want. Because it's simple. It's easy. So they're, well, it's but you can do this. This is a perfect time to drop the ISO. This stuff is just supposed to be fun. This stuff's supposed to be fun. It's not fun. It's not fun. It's a lot of people now. Of course, there's real money, people

making you know, and I listen to Joe Rogan on Spotify. I'm getting maybe it's great. I mean, I'm getting local sunglass company ads in Austin. I'm getting a lot of vitamin add supplement. And I don't know if though if that's the big big money. I don't know if those companies have big money. I truly believe in local are local or is the community of interest or community of geography based marketing, let's just call it

marketing. I, I 100%, believe in the bridesmaids magazine, where you make content, and you get wedding venues and DJs and bands and whatever to advertise specifically for that content, no different than Fredericksburg, Texas has a couple of magazines, one is probably the winner over the other. And you, you write articles about people and about businesses and the wineries and you charge them for that. You

know, it's, it's the whole thing is marketing. Vogue magazine is another outstanding example, you know, you go there for the ads, the ads are the content. So I have no problem with Bitcoin podcasts having bitcoin wallet, stuff for whatever. But the solution seems to be subscriptions. And that is so

obviously limited. We're already seeing it in streaming, television, streaming moved to streaming streaming movies, we have Netflix competing with Disney complete competing with Paramount competing with Hulu. And at a certain point, you just can't have all these subscriptions. The same way at a certain point, I just can't have all my favorite podcasts charging me $5 A month is just going to be too much. I love that the obviously the value for value model, circumvents this to

a degree. But we're going to run into same problem with with podcasting on subscriptions. And now we see that people are kind of realizing that, you know, Apple subscriptions really isn't a podcast. You know, Joe Rogan, I love my brother Joe Rogan is not a podcast. It's a it's a Spotify show. Yeah. On the Spotify app, yeah. And I have to pay to watch it and and what Spotify is learning. And I think what they're all learning is when something's exclusive, you better have people paying for

it. Because you really need the whole universe of playback the whole universe of apps or places that can ingest and, and feedback and RSS feed. And it's just a business miscalculation, Spotify his case, I believe it was a 100% Hail Mary, what are we going to do? The record companies got us by the balls. Hey, look at all this free content. Yeah, it will get Joe and everyone who want to be on Joe's platform. That's pretty

much what they did. And sadly, for a decade, a lot of the industry for became the podcast industrial complex kowtow to these companies. And it still well, you know, we've got to put the listeners first, if you're listening to me on Spotify. No, I'm sorry. You can listen to me for free over here. If you don't want to. Okay, you just then don't it has not hurt me. You know, think that I think people like Dawn Ostroff, you know, they, they know the content and they brought in the

content. But then you don't, but then you have to do something with it, then you have to turn it into money in this step didn't happen. And the other thing is the Obamas. You know, I would say the Obamas left, because they were exclusive. They didn't like the they don't need money. They got more money than God possibly. I know that's not true. But you know, as an expression. And they, and they weren't, they didn't like the fact that the only really had 30% of the listening market. A

lot of their friends. Well, I use apples. I use Apple, how come I can't get you on Apple, we gotta get Spotify. Spotify is a pain in the ass. I don't like the interface, whatever. It's very personal. You know, a listening app for anything, any app is personal. You know, I'm starting to, I'm starting to wonder. I'm starting to wonder if Joe will leave Spotify. I mean, he's kind of

got them by the balls, if you think about it. Well, I mean, that means like, because what the next, the only other show that's, well, we don't know if it's profitable or anything. I mean, the only other show that's doing anything is that color daddy show. And who knows what those numbers are? I cannot speak. I don't know Joe's a friend. Yeah. Imagine I just think that at some point. I mean, hey, he

may stay at Spotify as well. I mean, because if they lose Joe Rogan you got a lot of people that are going to leave just won't renew their subscriptions. Possibly. I really don't know. I really don't know. I mean, you can still get Spotify with the ads for basically free if I'm not mistaken. So I'm not sure that's true. And I pay for Spotify and I still get ads with Joe Rogan, which is a little annoying, that's great. Yeah, every 10 minutes, you know, they

just break right in. It's not like it's a we'll be right back or anything. It's just boom, there you go two ads in a block. I don't know what I, what I do know, is that Joe was blanketing the market, delivering much more than I think he's his licensed to them to make sure that he maintains his position as the great American conversationalist. So whatever he does, wherever he goes or stays, he will be the king of conversation. Ooh, the king of conversation. You go, oh, there

you go. And he is, you know, unfortunately, it Whatever he does, he'll have to, you know, they censored me. I said some stuff on there that during my, during my episode, that they had to bleep like, just language or, oh, yeah, it was horrible language. I was giving I was using words as an example of words that are a problem. Okay. And it was so hilarious that the words that were a problem, I could not discuss them as words that are a problem because

they're a problem. And so I learned something else. So this is right after the show, Joe says, Well, you know, that would that words can be a problem for X, Y, or Z, like nah. And he also honestly, he said, Let's not have that be this the center have our three and a half hour talk. And I said, Oh, yeah, I'm with you. Just Jamie just bleep it out or whatever. Now apparently, when they upload to Spotify, a transcript is made

right away. So yeah, I bet it is. Yeah. So whatever, for whatever reason, they also decided to blur my actual mouth. So you couldn't even read my lips. And I thought that was hilarious. I love it. And was exactly what we hoped would happen. We were like, Why don't you stay? Bombing I'm talking I'm doing all kinds of stuff. And then Oh, my Oh, well, they they blinked in what were those words? Yeah. Now that not everybody has to know what the words were. Yeah,

it became a I think it's a great bit actually. was, I think that did Spotify must have a, like a network operations center. You know, with all the big screens and everything they have like a J rock, like Joe Rogan operations centers. Like as soon as that thing comes in, transcript boop, boop, boop, yeah, video, blur the mouth, move the Telestrator. You know, they all they have to do is upload and that's it. They don't and they don't, I think is even very little interaction. It's funny,

but, but no matter what will be a double bleep. That was great. But whatever Joe does, it'll work for Joe. I don't think there's any problem there. Anyway, it that doesn't really matter. What matters is I think we're on the right track. And we did the right thing. Now, the one more there's also I can't get to the full story. But there seems to be issues with Patreon now.

Yeah, what was a source something about how now I mean, now I'm trying to remember what it was, well, it would pod news had it and Okay, Patreon growth has ground to a halt. You don't say the number of creators I got a real problem with I we needed, how let's just say you know, like create hatred. It used to be patrons just come patrons and

patronize errs. In the, in the SIR on the site with one or more patrons rose are they go less than 2% last year compared compared to nearly 40% in 2020. Please note, that Patreon rose raised over $100 million and these are investors. And the evaluation was $4 billion valuation. So, you know, it's all ending for them to and now, you know, the CEO is like, you know, there's a rumor of sexual harassment and whatever else is going on me I literally read the article stripe

stripe with a P. They're also looking shaky. You know, there's an article came out this this last week, that was from the day information that's talking about stripe, and evidently they're having they're having some financial trouble, because payment processors demand high fees. Yep. And they're just not seeing they're not seeing enough traffic. It's a very, it's very similar to the Spotify as you I mean, the whole the whole thing is beginning to I don't want to say implode, I think that's

sensationalist. But but it's beginning to retract to a certain point where these things look, you know, as a as a developer, you just automatically think, Oh, if I need to take payments, Stripe, that's what I'm doing a Keep it simple API has been around for a while. They seem they're good. They're stable. They seem to have you know, no, there's no problem. I'm not going to wake up tomorrow and Stripe will be gone. Well, well may not be tomorrow.

But once you start reading stories like this, Patreon stripe, these companies, your story start thinking, woman, but maybe it's not as sure of a thing as I thought it was. And then it's like, well, then you need a fallback. That's why I kind of lead out with that story about strike and clover and that

kind of stuff. Because you're, you know, those those fall backs, those peer to peer direct decentralized payment fallbacks, those could become crucial add to as crucial as an escape hatch out of all of this system, not not, not that you like they, you know, to have a dual strategy is just prudent. And we have, have sure continue to sell your ads, if you can get them in your

show, if that's what you want. And then also be have a value from a supported him, like, as far as do value for value at the same time. It doesn't have, it doesn't have to be that you just totally, you can only have one model or another we look at look at Kota radio and Jupiter broadcasting, guys. I mean, they have memberships, they do ads, and they do vary from, you know, they're covered, man. And they got they have lots of strategies, lots of fallback options in case one of those

things goes belly up. It's just a good idea. I mean, you don't put your eggs all in one basket, just because, you know, you can see that when the economy begins to turn sour like it has in a weird way, by the way. I mean, this is a slow motion meltdown that's unlike anything for people who have no idea what's coming. They have no idea what's happening here. And I think the critical part of that, is that even the people in charge who

have no idea, I have no idea. So imagine my delight, when we have old time old school elder of the podcasting, business, Todd, take blueberry 100% value for value for every single one of their clients, their customers, and go out and promote it like like a crazy man. I know Todd was around way back in the day. And he was an interesting kind of guy, you know, and you basically had Libsyn that I don't remember why but for some reason, Lipson

and I never got along. I don't know what the rub was. Maybe I was just a dick as totally possible. I don't know. But I get that feeling with a lot of people that I think there's there's always been this sort of, you've got you've got people who love Lipson or hate them, there's no in between, well, I don't hate anybody, but I could never I could never get along. And I think they're a little brash, like, this is the way to go. We're doing what you need us. You know, maybe it was that

or I felt that it may not be true. And Todd was always kind of blueberry. Raw voice initially, I think was a raw voice and then blueberry I don't remember was, you know, like, kind of a scrappy little, little company has just, you know, huffing and puffing and am doing stuff and but very committed and very dedicated and, and also a podcaster it's really important. know, when you're running, you know, don don OS, what was the name? Mr. Ostroff? Where's her podcast? What does she know

about podcasting? Where's your podcast lady? Yeah, you know, I'm saying, you hear me now. So, that kind of stuff is like hmm, and I mean, that for some reason, this is a tipping point for me. I'm not I can't explain exactly why. I think Albie is a very important player. Now, I do want to say and I love the lb guys, but you know, we also have to provide off ramps for people who want to be decentralized because you know, now there's three maybe four different hosting companies all relying on

Alby right and that's great. I use it for the statistics and I to me it's a service I love having get Alby get I'll be address and I send 1% to them from all of my shows that I'm that I have control over so that I can get the contracts and the and the Saturn statistics, which is great. And it's value for value right there out of the box. I don't rely 100% on an Aldi for you to put all my money. Yeah, i i What a great benefit is receiving 1% from different shows and then

connecting the pod verse app to it. So I know I'm never going to run out of SATs. Now we need to, we need Bre we need. We need the greenlight stuff to come in. Yeah, as a second one, because you'd love to see at least two to LSPs in the space rock and have that distribution and not be all rely on one person. I'm not sure we can call our be an LSP, per se. Yeah, I just don't know what else to call them. Yeah, and I hear you.

And again, I love them. This is not a slam against Albie at all or anybody, everyone who's participating, I love you. And I think that they would be I think they would be, you know, conscious enough to say that that's probably a good idea to I mean, like, or at least be able to, you know, to do? Well, in essence, you can't, I was just thinking about this today, because my, my own role, which runs on that stupid laptop, was down for a couple hours. And I don't know exactly what was going on. But

it took me it took me a bit to get it up. So maybe it was offline for 10 hours, I might have lost a boost, which would be a boost for the heli pad that I read people's boosts on here. That, you know, I really need to put that on on a better machine. And you know, what my choices are? I change value blocks everywhere I can in the splits or I set up a new machine and then I have to restore the I guess I have to get my lightning channels and my lightning node and and bring that as a backup.

I mean, it's not a it's not a simple solution. Right? Whereas I believe the green light solution would breezes working on is explicitly you can you can take that away from their infrastructure and just use it yourself without their back end or, or cloud watchtower, whatever it is. I'm paraphrasing. We need to have I forgotten his name. Roy. He hasn't talked to me anymore. We need to have Roy on to explain what he's ready when he's ready. And we'll have the blueberry guys on you know, next week.

Let's see. Yes, blueberry and blue group. It goes on next week, and then I'm working on getting another guest for the week, the two weeks and that I cannot reveal. That's okay. That's alright. Congratulations, a podcast addict. I've been talking about them on. So now I'm able to say hey, pod verse, podcast addict, curio caster, they've got lit. And is that still in beta and puking? I don't know if I'm saying like, it may still be in beta. But I'm

getting people saying it works. It's great. I got a I got a notification. I'm tuning into the show. So I'm very, I mean, that's moving forward. We got three. Now curio caster, I have a feeling Steven B is maybe learning how to do a proper app. But he also seems to be working on the music side. And that is probably a topic we should discuss as well. Yes. No. So now we have wave lake. And but we don't do we have any wave Lake feed in the index?

Yes, I think there is one or two now. They've just kind of started to trickle in a little bit. Because we're in this I saw a thread. I was Stephen B. And we're in this horrible chicken and egg thing. All of a sudden, were wave lake as well until there's an app that you know, that really presents music properly. We don't really want to do that. It's like what is the whole point is you need to create the content. Hey, there's a lot of stuff. They all are the

content. Yeah, you're the content if you're not going to put it out there. And so I'm just thinking, please consider what you're doing. The don't become a Spotify. Yeah, I don't think do you just I don't I've got a yeah, I've gotten an email thread going with with Michael over there. And we're going to we're going to have like a call and just kind of hammer out just so we make sure that he you know, like I think he just wants to understand what's going on

what's going on. Let me because I think he's just been observing this from you know, from the edges. He's trying to do this correctly in a think you know, according to spec and everything. So I think we're just going to try to put our heads together and make sure that we're I love this. This is why there's two of us. So I get all heated and like wow, what's going on and then you're like, hey, we're just gonna have a little chat. So at all that's not getting the email. I know

your your emails do sound that like that. They really do. I'm not kidding. Gonna have a little chat like, oh, I don't want an update like hey, it's just having a little chat. Yeah, exactly. I bet taking my little my little you know, and hunker maybe, maybe it won't work at all. I don't know. I did have a revelation. Someone pointed something out. up to me, because, you know, I'm still doing my cross app comments through the social interact tag

for no agenda, which of course, the big one. And so what I was always doing is after I publish everything, and I created a post for people to, you know, a route post, or no agenda social.com And someone said, hey, you know, that's really interesting. Why don't you Why do you use you send out cuz I always through the Freedom controller, I send out a tweet and a toot. Am in the reason, okay, send out a tweet, it's after I've done after I've filled out everything I've published through sovereign

feeds, everything's out. And as you know, I was always want the RSS people to get to get it first, then I'll tweet and shoot. And someone said, Hey, I really liked this, you have this common thread that you're starting, but why isn't it the actual tooth that you said when the show was, is published? Like

that's a very interesting question. And I'm even considering doing you know, when when we go lit, to make that look just like you do to make that the the actual comments read so it can be probably can even be I'm not quite sure if that would work. I don't know. But somehow it made sense to not have that all separated and, and that came organically. And so I have a little glimmer of hope, a little glimmer of hope.

Let me boost your glimmer of hope by saying that I begin created created the project for the community the boost activity pub, yeah. Bridge. Started Ellis night, crank that up. And from your sick bed, I might add it from es muy Thetis drips of

sweat, feverish, forehead, dripping on the keyboard. And realizing that Apple silicone is still a completely horrible product product for trying to do any sort of compiled software outside of Swift and expo really so promptly switched to a real computer and started and finished, you know, finish setting everything out there. But we're so it feels good to

get back into some rust code. And this this will be good. I think so what it'll be amount of times I've said hi. Feels really good to get in some rust code again, I'm just feeling dynamite about myself. Yeah, you DM me that morning. Feels good about the rust. The so it'll just you know it'll watch and watch for boosts coming in match up the episode. I'm hoping it'll just be a very

simplistic thing. Match up the episode that you give it a mastodon you know, API to talk to and sort of match up the episode go pull the social interact tag URL out of there for that episode for that podcast. And then, you know, it's polling. His polling l&d To get your to get your to get those histograms pulls out, you know, pulls out the episode ID and all that kind of stuff just matches everything out to find the social and online interact tag, and then just cross posted

over to as a reply to that. I think it makes I mean, sounds, I love it. I love it forward. I love it. It's something you can just run as a daemon, you know, on a server somewhere. Because I think that would be good for like, hosts that have integrations that they want to do and that kind of thing. Just anybody really. It's sort of agnostic, you just give it your lnd node. And then you give it the your activity or Mastodon URL, Mastodon API credentials, and just let it do its job.

I'm looking for the where's that? Where's the stats page? We should probably look at this not this has launched a stats page that for what for a blog puts together which is the there was like the December three. You know, Where has our stats for which are better than what's on the website? How many value for value podcasts? You know, how many transcript being used? Where's that? Oh, I've got I've got the right let me give it to the signal.

Thank you. I thought I've saved that someone bookmark. Okay, okay, let me see. Here we go. Oh, this is your version. Okay. Yeah, so we have Where's value for value needs value blocks about seven from the bottom eight, maybe 11 tiles. 410. Okay. That's up a bit. I don't I don't know how much up it is from the last time I checked. Yeah, I don't know why the site doesn't match. knew. I mean Newsflash, I don't know why our website does half the stuff it

does. Because I didn't build any newsflash sort of a bizarre, it's no thing that I've never had to deal with before. Yeah, where I'm where I'm responsible for running something that I haven't did that don't know even what it does. The value of the podcast index.org shows 11,083 So that's off by a couple 100 Yeah. Why did why? I don't know. Oh, whatever. I mean, like, so the, the episodes with. So here's the deal with feeds with music. Medium. There's this deal. This shows 44,510. And so,

Steven D was like, you know, a lot of those things. I'm saying, you know, a lot, by the way, you're not feeling well. I'm not. Feeds was medium music encompasses what's actually in the feed. And what Alex and I have been compiling, based on machine learning algorithm that we're running on. On the Steven didn't seem too happy with that Stephen was mad at me. So, you know, and I, I understand his I understand his frustration it

was it was well explained and legitimate. And I think there should probably be some sort of flag or something on that endpoint where you can say, Okay, show me everything, or just show me organic. When that'd be a good solution. Yeah, I mean, do you got to ask Stephen B. I mean, I'm all for it. Well, he said he's furious. But anyways, he hates me with sickness. I'm sorry, I'm at fault for my own illness. I mean, I was just thinking, you know, because we're probably I

see value. I see clearly, I see value in being able to some sort of running some sort of machine language model to find things that are going on in the audio, because there's just going to be tons of music out there that doesn't. That's not going to get tagged. But then again, I mean, like, if you're, you know, he had good points. He's like, hey, early adopters, you know, you're you're just burying the people that are actually that actually. Give it a try. That's for sure. Yeah.

It makes sense. Yeah. I feel you have a door. Yes. I think that's an easy thing to do. was Steven, does that work for you? Tell me if it does. If it doesn't, we'll we'll figure something else out. All right. What else do you have on your list? Because we've just been yapping and yapping and yapping. Oh, yeah, we had been going for a while. I'm let me I got other stuff. You're going off mic? Yo, yo had to reach down and get my pad. Has Nate Oh, yeah. The

namespace phase six. Starting to get back into that a little bit. But I think we need to start looking at it. Yeah. In quite a while. Yes, I'm thinking remote item and clearly is remote item something that should wait until we have some music in there. Because it's really for playlists, and I don't see how it's going to be used that much before then. Maybe it's just me. No, I think I mean, I think it can be used for I think can be can be used for lots of things. I mean, playlist of videos too.

And there's 7251 feeds in there with video. And those are organic. Those are organic. The none of those have been modelled. I also have no way to find them in any app as far as I know. Yeah. But yeah, it's there was a is there an endpoint where I can say show video only? Or main idea. Okay. I'm still I'm still trying to work out this stuff with videos. Some of these endpoints get funky. That's it. So that's another topic there. He does, like live, my first thought was,

Okay, put live. We're gonna I'm going to modify the endpoint for episodes by feed ID and make it returned both regular podcast items and live items. That way, it's one call for the for the app and they get both if they want it, right. That still feels okay. I mean, it's it feels alright. But then I start thinking, you know, maybe, maybe that just needs to be a different thing altogether. Maybe instead of episodes by

feed ID. Maybe it needs to be live by feed ID. I'm just trying to figure out for efficiency sake. I think you know how to do a poll mastered on pole. A pole. Yes, seems to be a great way to determine what we want to do. Yeah, yes. Yeah, I'll just pull an Elan and say, Should I shut down the API today? And you know, yes or no, exactly. No, I think. I don't know. I don't think there's any right answers

for this. Because for the end, for one thing, it makes people coming in and grabbing stuff out of the, out of that endpoint for the feet podcast, or excuse me for episodes by feed ID. It gives them back alive items. It gives them live out his back, and they're like, Oh, what's this? You know, which is what I would say to myself, if I got that back. I would, as a developer, I would say, Oh, what's this? Right? It's, I was expecting episodes. And now I have this thing called Live

episodes in here. Which is cool. So maybe I should put that in my app. Okay. It's so rich, it's such a rich API you've built our day, you're really gonna be really proud of what you've built here. I'm trying to keep it from becoming an unwieldy monster. That's what's really going on here. I want you have to maintain some structure and something that makes sense otherwise you just end up with a big mess. And so I'm trying to keep as we add more and more things, I don't want it to just

become a like bowl of noodles. You know, there's the title Thank you took me a while but bowl of noodles that's you know, that's that's always the that's always the fear there. Because you start everybody's every web developer knows this. You start out with your like, your you create your new project, you add your CSS, your stylesheet and then you're like, Man, this time this project I'm going to keep everything

is coming so beautifully. Yeah, it's gonna be fine. No worries, we got got recovered in three months into it, you can't find anything in that thing. And it's a complete mess and you're ready to burn it to the ground. I have that all the time with my rush projects that you did. Very easy to do. So we thank a couple people. This does take more than a couple of listening. Yeah, we do have quite a few. Quite a few to

thank, I believe Let me see. 1000 staffs and above for the for the for the lit booths that have been coming in metus 9999 And he says streamer streaming of course he would either nine or nine and that's right 7777 From tone wrecker. Like that I late to the live stream today but it wasn't active week with Wave Lake launching many new features appeared in carrying the music tag which can be observed and compare options and functionality. appreciate everyone working on this. Well, what are those?

They're in the they're in the they're in the live the the endpoint return, but they're all buried in Stevens Point there. You got it. Okay. Chad F 3333. Todd Cochran needs some live booths for a live demo he's doing check his latest toot and that's on podcast index dot social that's very cool man. Chimp comes in with 22,126 Real men boost lips says chamber knowing got 69,420

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for Dave ah, you know what I should I do? I have karma here. I have some karma. Yeah, I got some health karma. Of course at right now. You've got karma. Legends, fuzzy, hard hat one on one on one. Technical difficulties, please boost boost. Hey, we had a little problem earlier on. And there's Todd Cochran with 50,000 SATs. He says presenting 2.0 to over 500 podcasters at pod fest education is key of 500 in the

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premises. This is of course, Martin Linda's koge Lyceum on podcast index dot social. Thank you, brother. Very nice. Thank you very much, Martin. Rasta Calavera 4343 on the 43rd day there was much rejoicing. What am I missing there? What am I missing there? I don't know. I don't know, either. You see, and I think that was what we got for the live booths yet. At least that's what I have. If I miss you. I'm sorry. We'll though there's one more that just came in 25,000 from

bore log. b o r e l o g, the two of you are gifted the industry. I appreciate all of your work. I don't know about that. Industry may disagree, but they have a different opinion. What do we have? That came in previously? Dave? We have. We have three top notch special pay bills right now. We have a Marco with $500. He's got at bolo.

Sakala 20 is Blaze on am Paula actually forgot to thank him on a chat F pointed out to me and thanking everyone who was who has supported us in a big way the hosting companies and omitted Marco apologies for that. Because it's very much appreciated this every month, right? Every month is every month, $6,000 a year. And think about that.

And I'll just instil no not even a 2.0 Not any 2.0 support yet in in overcast and see still I mean he's supporting us just based on the Bino the principle of the thing the ideology that that means a lot I mean like he's not even really he's basically supporting the idea in the in the principles and the platform.

And you know with what you know, one day he'll he'll do live and these other things I'm sure but the main it's nice to see that it's like somebody's like yes, I'll just support you and support you in principle even if I'm not there yet. And I fully appreciate I love that you said ideology because I'm sure we have different ideology in general maybe political thinking or or whatever and that that is enhanced across the border brother that is so cool.

Yeah, yeah. See Mike 500 month 500 A month is a Tennessee child support payment No. It is. It is Alabama wins see Mike I think has 11 kids actually, though he wouldn't know those stats Yeah. Buzzsprout are boys boys over Buzzsprout Kevin and Tom and Alvin in the gang if $500 every 20 blades on the Impala yeah thank you guys it's end of the month we get the ballers the ballers dropping big balls at the end of the month here. Yeah, when they've got they got a new subscription product,

which looks kind of cool. But drop nothing. Yeah, I was looking at that. And yeah, we've been looking for a PayPal subscription replacement.

And they said, Tom said Did you know they wrote they rolled it out sort of as is and then it's, you know, when we get when we get something in place to do open, you know, open subscriptions, which is sort of a background thing we've been working on over the months, when we get something finalized on that, you know, they can pivot and incorporate that as well. You know, support support both. Just I like that kind of stuff.

Like if so, you know, you build a thing and you're like okay, well you know, we'll build it now because we heard we want it for our business potential. As soon as the open and open thing comes along we'll add that into because like it's Fiat right? For net Yes. For now it is but they did the value for value thing. So that they could make it it could be value for about the only the only promise of payment amount you want. Yeah, I'm gonna have to sell the 15% fee to DeVore act is gonna be hard.

Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. He hates PayPal for what did they take? 4% they say? Yeah, yeah. Well, I can try it. That's why if it's if it's if it's Satoshis I can probably hide it. He won't know. I think I think I can hide it from dad. Fountain $200 Speaking hide from dead. Wow. Thank you very much. 20 blades on the Impala. Appreciate appreciate Oscars fun having him on the show. That was

great. Wow. Yeah, cool. Oh yeah, we got some boosts we got some normal boosts 12345 from drips got mountain in his messages RMS bass dash RF space four slash asterisk. drab. You're trying to wipe my machine. Thanks a lot, man. Thank you. He's trying to hack our node. Dred Scott who does? He does? Chapters for pretty much every podcast I've ever heard of. He is an extractor machine. He is a chapter machine and we put them in for 5% All these podcasts. He's probably driving a Corvette by now.

saving up for Lambo. Lambo. Lambo, a Lambo emblem yes okay a jacket his jacket and Nomad Joe 1000 SATs through fountain he says Good show thinking no magic you see Mike said 4% is only what Pay Pal takes in terms of money they also take your soul that's worth a lot more than Yes. CO McCormack. 133 33 through bounties as my podcast is a Satoshi exclusive experience. Go podcasting also got a 12345 from Mike go with the same requests go

podcasting. Thanks Mike. Just shot another drips got 33 333 Three pod versus his chapters for episode 118 have been published enjoy boosting from pod verse to see if the boost appears in Fountain boost. Yeah, so I put this I did what Oscar told me to do. Yeah. To put my own wallet in for 1%. And he had to change something because he saw that only showed up here or there. I'm not quite sure. But if something's working and he's working on it, so it should it

should, it should work. So booths from other. It's kind of fun. I didn't realize that. Basically I'm sending a 1% to myself in the fountain Yeah, in the fountain wallet. I'd be happy to just send send the 1% to them, but it's very friendly. So you add yourself for 1% in the split for your own fountain address. And then apparently any any other booths from any other app will also show up in the fountain lightning boost comments.

Let's Oh my buddy Tim from the GG diary podcast I was like well now because we talked to Oscar net last week and now I know how to game the system. So now I can boost you to the top of the

chart whenever at will ya Yes yes. And it's important to know how to manipulate the alga what's interesting is you know, I put pastor Jimmy and Damon net that got their their show up and running, which is about a half an hour every week living up in a down world and and they've created a community on fountain and I didn't say anything, you know, just kind of happened in the because he was using fountain and so now they you know they talk about their

community on fountain. I mean that that was like whoa, I'm not gonna say don't do that. I'm just gonna see how that plays out and hopefully people will boost him from other apps. Like I'm like I'm Parfitt says pay you know Pay Pal takes 4% and the occasional 2500 When you say something they don't like details matters detail cost of doing business.

Jean Everett 10,000 SATs through fountain says boost boost boost boost boost boost Thank you g another gene ever 1000 says this is Oscar love you friend but wow fountain is bugging me for now what's up? Oh, shit happens. Come on. It's amazing. any of this stuff works at all. Yep, find a software with no bugs. They don't this is not many. Yeah, like try the FAA. Yes. I still do deleted a file yet right? I'll never forget when I started flying

helicopters. I was flying the Eurocopter. The Eurocopter there was a 1:20am and the first time I got in you boot everything up you turn on all the avionics and it was windows 3.1 I'm like holy crap I do not want to fly let me out good at all. Like it's fine. It's always works. You'd feel better you would have felt better if it said MS DOS six probably have Windows three.

Vax whatever 12345 from Brian of London through fountain and he says my dive the a boost system is being rewritten but I'll do some ad hoc boosting in the meantime, using fountain today for this episode, obviously. Thank you, Brian. Very much. Bombs Hill. Oh, Roy Schonfeld. 54321 There you go. There you go. He says perhaps activity feed should be part of the pie Standard. Oh, oh, like the fountain activity feed.

Well from what I understand that super secret Sam set the project pod fans is also going to have some version of an activity feed and I know that he's talked to Oscar about it there's stuff going on we the children are playing without us Dave I have no idea what they're doing but something's going on with them. That's not not a bad idea.

Yeah, that mean like that once you see a sharp couple of things work and you can then you can know what to what to work towards standardize and watch the community and see what's bubbling up to the top that's a very interesting idea Thank you Roy. Yeah, and then you mean that can be baked on top of activity pub or something like that. Oh man. Yeah, that's it. That's it. I like that idea. My mind is spinning. We need to get we'll go into that when we have money show.

Oh, look who it is. No, it's no it's Dave Jackson the legendary podcast the Hall of Fame podcaster don't want an only Yeah 20,000 says their cast dramatic he says anchors river have garbage the sage indeed. Thank you, Dave Jackson everybody.

Sir Spencer 33 333 through curio caster and he says can I help parse these 44,000 Music feeds down somewhere last time I was on and looking through music feeds there are not many I saw that were truly music it will craft has aired its last episode and I'm looking to get more involved in whatever the future of music medium tag will look like. Yeah, they will start working on that sir Spencer Good Good, good

guy. I love seeing this anonymous 2222 It was it was a good tribe and I want to say something I got a note from someone I can't remember who it was. And they tried to put their music on anchor and they you get rejected immediately kicked off immediately. This is not when even if it's your own music even that's the email said even if you've licensed it yourself

is oh your own stuff. No, no, no. And that of course is is very interesting because it's their business competing inside their own business. Spotify, it is the strangest company in this regard, in in the way that they want you to be a customer but never use the service. They're the ABA of podcast companies. Oops. It's like it's like, please sign up for our service but don't actually listen to any music. I got to play some ABA now. When should we play what ABA we play?

Are you familiar with any ABA? Only I don't know the titles I only know the known when I hear him. Like I can't name them all I remember is like hazy glowy videos. Yeah, all the women had feathered hair. This is okay. Oh my goodness clean. Yeah, of course. Dancing Queen is too easy people now you got to do something like deep cut. I was not a deep cut but I mean, I grew up with ABA and believe it or not, and here's what I would play this is this is their their

prayer for the day. Ladies and gentlemen, Spotify says Money money money or this one? Yes, yes. Let me say get the chorus was in a Spotify we're sorry. That's it. That's the hook that you know every DJ can just do wonders with you could throw Yeah, you can do it forever. I can go on forever with that song Absolutely. Anonymous 2222 through cast ematic no note gives nothing the next time I see Dubs. 7777 striper boost, yo yo podcast index web page, and he says boost bought now has 777 Angel

boost. Yes. Oh, nice. Another seed up. 7777 say the boost CLI and he says now with Angel boost. I don't know what this angel boost thing is 7777 That's an angel boost. Okay, that's okay. So we talked about riper, but okay. It's fine. You can do an angel. Yeah, there's different different tribes. See Dubs. 1111. Essential of Richard's to the boost CLI. Mere Mortals podcast roadex 2222 through fountain and he says boosting to fund Dave's stats

Addiction Rehab. We'll have to wean him off Excel sheets over a year can't just go cold turkey on that. Just kidding Dave. love you man.

Anthony Bryan Bryan was an I sent me an actual satchel of Richard's which is a bag of gummies that have a ace Richard like look okay, and I could I could with my with my teeth and everything I could have one maybe a day, you know because I'd have to go clean it all out Colima yeah get them out of the crevice and then I had to and then all of a sudden Tina had eaten the whole satchel Richards she felt really bad about it. She just I

couldn't help it. I'm like, do you Did you see what you're eating? Pringles you can't get you can't have just one. That's right. You can't just have one, Richard.

No, no, I mean, once you go down that path, you're all chyron again for the minerals podcast podcast 43 to tin the curio caster and he says shamelessly Self plugging and suggesting that if anyone wants to hear more in depth about fountain they check out the mere mortals for the Convo I just had with Oscar Ronica listen to some of these through curio caster he is very ironic. I was pretty good I listened to probably 40

minutes of it and that was an interesting conversation. Karen is a good interviewer it when clearly between us having the Oscar Ron and Kira and Kira is much better much better at the interview yeah yeah we so kinda speak for yourself Richard Jean been 22 to 22 through founded and he says listen to this episode in an app other than fountain just didn't feel right had to switch over when Oscar came into the boardroom yeah there you go Jean been leaked loose 1337 And he says no idea why Adam was

setting up a MoonPie and fountain I had to do the photo of my license and the selfie pictures where I had to move my head left and right as part of their to se ha and where's he? What country is you? Don't know that's interesting because I didn't have to do it. Tina didn't have to do it. Other people I know didn't have to do it. Clearly he's on a no like a no no fly list. Yeah, yeah. No set

list. Did you see where the no fly list leaked? Somebody stuck it up on a Yep, seems on an open s3 bucket seems to me that you know if our national security infrastructures handing out Excel sheets to airlines and that is the that is the no fly list. No wonder it's impossible to get off that thing. I mean, who's in charge of replacing it on the s3 bucket? I mean, seriously, people what is going on with this? Somebody set the read only flag on the phone. They just nobody's

ever know. Figure out turn it off. So you just can't get off of this. Oh, maybe that's why s3 decided to change some things. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That may be why Yeah. Could be gene been 22 to 22 through fountain and he says I'm so glad to hear Oscar say that the competition is against Apple and Spotify not pod verse or caste ematic or other people know apps. Yeah, that was good. That was a good comment. That was a great comment. Absolutely. And he's right. He's right. 100 100% 100%

Nicholas B 58 3000. Says through fountain he says laugh out loud. And now. I have now over 250 podcasts I have not listened to. I'm about four months behind. Whatever probably I have to bench them. breedings from Nicholas. He's got 250 podcasts, but he somehow managed to listen to ours. I feel honored. I had that happen the other day. My phone ran out of space and I guess all the podcasts I got well, I got podcasts automatic downloading on fountain on pod verse. Same ones. Yeah. Oh,

yeah. Cuz I have the same I import the my OPML list to each of them. Oh, there doesn't seem to be an easy way in any of these apps to nuke all downloads, that with one swift stroke of my read. That would be a nice feature. The great feature is like unsticky all the items in the river. Which just work yes, no. Sometimes it works. Most of the time it works. Be mozzie Brian 125,000 sets Sakala 20 blades on the Impala and he says boost for Oscar. Yeah, loosed. Thank you, Brian.

Appreciate another brown mozzie 5000 Do fountaining says based on Adams comments on the functionality of phones activity stream. I think podcasting Tufano should unblocked fountain.fm visible boosts lightning comments. Now we were going to get it's all going to work out. It's going to work because you get an awarding set up now.

It's gonna work out we got that set up and then you're going to have the integration part with the bridge and we were going to Oscar said he would work on something that we could on uncloak them after we've published, which may or may not be necessary. Carry with what you're building. I don't know. Yes, you're right. We're gonna figure it out. We're gonna figure it out for sure.

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torrent index. H capture is already there super useful feature for updates corrections to the feed to be pushed out pre cached ASAP. But you get my drift here. I'm confused what caches? What caches where and when? Yeah, well, I think yeah, that's possible. I mean, to have like a button to do repol can we know people are gonna be hitting that like maniacs? I think he's trying I think he's trying to say that you would have to put it on a CAPTCHA. Yeah, better protect it somewhat. But

a timeout you know. It's not what pod ping is for? Yes. Send pod ping. Do puppy working more for can they find out more? Right. Have just have a pile of ping go from anchor. Oh, I'm sorry. I mean, you can you can do? Oh, I don't know how to think about this. I have to think about this because people know if you make anything easy, it'll be abused. Yeah, there needs to be some sort of entrance fee. In the entrance fee is 100,000 sense. No, I was thinking more like learn how to program.

I liked the idea here. You want to reboot? Not this is not a bad idea. I mean, I'd say it kind of jokingly but why is that? Why not yell sad. There you go. We'll charge an LSAT to refresh your feet. I can. I can feel Alex bristling. Every hair stood up on the back of his neck. He just unfollowed me No, I'm kidding. Busy brain 5000 SATs through fountain. He says showing more set love to you fellas from reading Bitcoin podcast. Oh, well, thank you. Thank you haven't listened but I'll give

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maybe Oscar Well, I don't know. I don't know. Who has 25,031 SATs through fountain he says prime boost Oh Oh, wow, what was the number again? 25 Oh 31 Ah, nice. Prime boost. Yeah, he's getting he's getting geared up to create a public private key pair. Chaos. 99 5000 SATs the fountaining says another great episode. I love it when a plan comes together said every podcasting 2.0 app ever delivered to their post? Yeah, I think we read that one. Okay, maybe I'm at the end of the day.

Oh, Alwyn from contracts. Yeah, I think we got 69. No note. Okay, I think we're at the end there. It threw me off because we had the delimiter in his 50,000 this time is Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. What comic strip blogger has changed from 33,015. To only one week only he was very clear about this. Oh, okay. Well, well, what do we have to do to be so grateful for this? He says, How do you Dave and Adam, just that. Thank you Bigley Adam for tackling AI singularity during your fifth visit as Joe Rogan.

Yeah. He sent me a note. I don't know if it was, I think it was a post. He said, You know, he's what I would call a TJ. I talked. I talked to Joe about this. I saw Jackie. No, I said that. I am not he's not entirely a TJ but I said to Joe, I made the mistake of saying, you know, I'm gonna show I'm gonna go on Rogen. And when you get all these people tell Joe tell Joe, tell Joe to have this guy and tell that guy Joe Joe needs to be the arm fell dead and tell Joe tell Joe. That's funny. T

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$100 $500 $200 from the big supporters. That's what keeps it going. Everything else goes right. It pays the bills, everything else goes right into liquidity on the node for anyone who needs a channel. And this is value for value. So whatever you get out of the podcast and the whole project you're supporting it all is incredibly appreciated. You can go to podcast index.org keep forgetting to do this. And you can scroll to the bottom there you will see a red donate

button. You can support us with your Fiat fun coupons. And I'm always forgetting to take a look if anyone used the on chain donation of Tally coin. And yes, Tally coin a member we have to hold on J moon with 33,325 SATs. Eric peepee were 33,317 SATs. So we have two today. I think Eric peepee does it just to be I think he's he's wanting to be edgy. And he literally he literally said do these on chain donation still work? Yes, they do. Man. Thank you. Thank you. That's, that's mighty Monica

Monica. And if you and I will make a point of looking at these regularly now that you've now that we do it? Yes, they do work through the tally coin link right there. And of course go to new podcast apps.com Now with HTTPS so that you can support us through any of the apps that support value for value. Thank you for your courage, etc. They you know, I think my voice is done but we we ended up we didn't talk a lot. We didn't do a lot of technical deep dive

stuff today. Because it just felt like a week where the podcasts industry were just like observing the podcast industrial complex needed some discussion motion meltdown. Yeah. They did need a little bit of a discussion. Yeah, so not that we wish anybody ill will at all No, I hate it. I hate this when people that we know and and love. Like Nathan lose lose their gig. I mean, it sucks.

I'm not just that I don't like predicting the demise of a business model that many People have grown accustomed to and that people base their careers on I mean, they just go and look at LinkedIn, how many podcasts consultants there are? That's a funny Tina that I tell you this when when Tina and I started doing curling the keeper, she put podcast professional on her LinkedIn profile as as a joke. And she gets hit up by does she get dinged all the time, but people she

gets hit up by? Yes, by podcast consultants, I can help you make money and moderate drives grow your body drives? Is she getting less of that today that she was I think considerably less. Yeah, Oscar. That's a good question. Okay, well, she's always kind of creepy. But that's that's all. You know, the good thing about this is that these the companies with great with great business models with that did just sell a good product for a good price and

provide value to their customers. They have nothing to worry about. They're going to be around. Yeah, I agree. And you know, those guys are going to remain strong. And there's plenty of those inside the podcasting ecosystem. It's the it's the Silicon Valley creepers that come in and those guys for good reason. They're, they're not going to last. I used to be a Silicon Valley creeper. I got out. Got out just in time. I mean, did I read before? Yeah, read before you split your soul into this

piece. It was very close. It was very close. I left my own company four years ago. I can't do this. I can't do this anymore. And that was 2009. I think has it been that long? Wow. That has been a long time. Yeah. Not as long as current mixer blogger has been a part of my life. Apparently he was he was sending in bits, the daily source code, I think 2006. Good grief. And I love that Christopher Eisen found that old piece of content. Oh, that was the I put them both in the in the clips. What both

what do we have both? Both of the things that that podcast default welcome. And bought. I don't see default. Oh, what is this? What? Should I play this? Yeah. Hi, I'm Adam curry. Welcome to the iPod platform. Hearing this. Hi, Hamid. Douchebag Hi, I'm Adam curry. You'll find me in a session live Richards. Hi, I'm Adam curry. Welcome to the iPod platform. Great hearing this message means you have successfully installed iPod or on your computer and you should see a new playlist on your mp3

player titled iPod or test channel containing this file. I love the the room. You can add any URL that points to an RSS feed with enclosures to automatically receive new podcasts by subscription. You can use ipod.org as your guide to new software, and pointers to new podcast directories and services. We really hope you enjoy receiving and creating your podcast and please remember this stuff supposed to be fun.

So enjoy. Oh, it was me who said this. But this toughest? Yeah, I didn't even realize that was me. You didn't recognize your own voice. I did not know I didn't. I didn't. Oh, wow. It's so against. Ah, well, I was gonna use it for the end of the show. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. Because BH podcast, it would this is like, oh, like history repeats itself. So I Potter was that the welcome to i Potter said, yeah, that was the first app. I didn't build it. I think that was someone else

built that app. And maybe it was maybe iPod or was the first Apple script. I can't remember. But I made those for different apps, and said Oh, yeah, so that would be like a default when you when you when you install the software. That would be a default welcome message. Yeah, like, like a, like a pre built OPML whatever. You know, the exact download that Yeah, exactly. This, because I heard this. This is Christopher zine found this and I saw a whole bunch of other historical stuff

pop up from 2005. This was just WGBH versus KQED. In San Francisco. In the in it three tags was both NPR was NPR and WGBH Tony Khan. He really paid a lot of attention to podcasting. I think he was the first one to put NPR programming on the podcasting and unsung hero, I might add, let's listen to a little bit of this, but not many people have put that much music into their players. That means just

about everyone's got room for something else. Interesting how that was, you know, people are using pod iPods for music, and we were trying to get podcasting and now people are using podcasts. We're trying to get music in it. upside down world is crazy and more and more iPod owners are filling the space with audio content created by an unpredictable assortment of print losers. It's called podcasting. And its strongest proponent is former MTV host Adam curry. This

must be real audio. I think we're listening to like eight bit array like the world's technology correspondent Clark Boyd reports from Guilford, England, Guilford. Perry has only two things on his mind these days chicks and cheese and they're not the top two spots and the mtb top 20 video can not fly you know, instead curry is obsessed with coffee ups and high speed internet connections. I'm over caffeinated and underserved on bandwidth, curries mad as hell,

but in a friendly way. He's just moved his wife, two kids in a sort of toolkit. I have two kids. I've only had one kid but okay, if you're out there and you're my kid sent me a boost. Yes, Castle in Belgium to a cottage in Guilford about 30 miles from London. Since the move he's been trying to get a high speed internet connection at home. Oh, that's hilarious. I'll put that in the show notes. Please, my other child sent me a booster to grab so I know that you're alive

and doing well. Oh man, Dave, I hope you feel better brother. Do it really? Sucks. And yeah, there you go. I'd put an accent on it, Willie. Oh, I'm so sick. Have a healthy better weekend. Dave. Appreciate it. I'm gonna kick it. I'm gonna get over it. Of course she will. And thank you all very much there in the chat room for checking us out while we've been lips. And Steven b Yes, I may be your daddy. We'll see you next week right here on podcasting. 2.0 the board meeting bye bye everybody.

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