Oh, podcasting 2.0 for January 20 2023 Episode 190 No Molly's hair Hello everybody once again time for the official board meeting of podcasting 2.0 The future is here it's now we got everything going on with the namespace podcast index.org All of the gossip and of course all the brainpower that has moved melting and oozing all over podcasts index dot social I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama the lick Meister Mr. Live item tag himself say hello
to my friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Bae Jones it's like a little movie this living in a movie today. You're living in a movie in a movie. Okay, escape from poop Central. Is something wrong with the dog is wrong with my office my day job office. Oh, what do you mean what are our the IT office? You know, the dungeon? Yeah, the windows? Of course. Why would it? Yeah, it is where three of us reside? It is is Yes. Yesterday
afternoon. Some this lady that works there came down stairs she she walks you know, see her walk by and then she's, she's like, Oh my God. And so I was we jumped up and ran out there. And there is a lake of sewage in the kitchen. Oh, in the break room. Oh, and of course it has to fix that as well. I guess right. To clean up the pump. Yeah. I made myself scarce real quick. Oh, just to be broke or what happened? He was backing up. The toilets. were backing up the maintenance
room was back in anything with a grip. Anything with a floor drain? Ah, it was just the sewage was just coming back up. Oh, no. Oh, it was horrible. It was like, you know, effluent or whatever. And so they were they had to like, send everybody home. Except, like a real hazard. It's a hazard. You know, you can't you can't have people walking around the poop the poop all the time. That's best. Tell me that everyone didn't go. Oh, man.
This must have been Larry who took a huge crap and blocked everyone always says like it was that guy. Yeah, I saw him going in there with a newspaper. Must've been Larry. Of course what the way that happens. You say the call goes out. Okay, building, you can't use the bathrooms in the building. blockage in the in the thing. Send everybody and
everybody you need to go work from home. So some percentage of that let's just say, you know, some single digit percentage of people that are going to work from home decide that this is the day that they've needed. Oh, hey, I need an extra monitor. So it's just a stream of people coming by. Hey, Emily, I'm leaving to go work from home. I forgot to tell you my VPN hasn't been working. Can you? Can you fix that real quick? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I need a charger for my laptop.
Charger. Yeah, I've been taking mine home. Can I get an extra? Yeah. Oh, that was fun. Do they ever bribed you though they ever tried to bribe you with something? Just anyone ever do it? Right? You know, the people who never call you the, in that scenario, you put them in the front of the line. Right? And I liked you a lot. Now that you're a repeat customer getting it back when Tina and I first got together, I taught her a few tricks about it and how to get excellent support. She always
got excellent support. says treat them like a guy you want to date high. That will take you very far. Even for guys even for guys, it'll work out well. I know I know. You made your career out of out of out of being the SIS admins. What do you want to cut like? Attaboy guy? Well, I ran a I was Chief Technology Officer for a company with seven people and eight different offices in five
countries. And I learned real quick how important you in fact, when we acquired a new company, the first thing I do is get it in there. Get everybody real happy with laptops and everything. Email addresses. All of that was tight. Right off the bat. So you felt like you're a part of the organization? It badass laptops, everything? Yeah, the whole thing like
yeah, just everyone. Hi. Oh, that's cool. You know? That's, and then you turn around and say, Okay, now you're our bitch to do whatever we say. Give them watch it like Alright guys. 80 hour workweeks. Let's go. Well, you're not the only company that is working from home today. Looks like a Google if if you're if you're not feeling good about the news from Google. You can work from home today. Did you see that note?
I've got this. I've got it right here on the printer. A difficult decision to set us up for the future from Sundar Pichai, CEO of Google and alphabet so they let 12,000 People go approximately, which means 1414 to 14,000 people. And I just really liked this at the end to the Googlers, who are leaving us. Thank you for working so hard to help people and businesses everywhere. Your contributions have been
invaluable, and we are grateful for them. While this transition won't be easy, we're going to support employees as they look for their next opportunity in the US notice us. Check. I'm sure many of you will have quite this. I'm moving past all the nitty gritty. I'm sure many of you will have questions and how we'll move forward. We'll be organizing a town hall on Monday yet, like I'd really want to be a part of that. Check your calendar for details. Until Until then, please take good
care of yourselves as you absorb this difficult news. As part of that, if you're just starting your workday, please feel free to work from home today. What kind of soy children are working at Google? Epi I love that. I know we just fired you. But feel free to work at home. But even if you just even if you just triggered by it, you know, I was like, ah, feel free to
stay home. This is a this is a bloodbath, man. It's I think I'm counting 70,000 tech workers in Silicon Valley, let go in the past six weeks, I would say yes, that includes like Amazon, Amazon. Amazon did a cool thing that while cool, too. They they let 18,000 People go and then they did it again with 18,000 which
is a great trick. Because it might help you no matter how many times you search you come to you you find 18,000 You'll never see 36,000 Yeah, it's like Black Rock changing there are black it was what was that group that changed their name does Z or whatever. Oh no, that was a Academy THE BLACK BLACK BLACK. That wasn't but now you've confused Black Rock. It's like black. It was like the mercenary black. Then they became Academy they became Zi Zi
unsearchable? Yeah, you just can't You can't search for two letter letter. What was the black, black black? I can't remember what it was now. It was a cat like forced him the black black shoebox evolved. Homeless like water, black, black water. Rose bemrose? No, it's because he isn't mercenary. That's how it works. By the way we are lit. That means the life item tags activated. You can hopefully you got a bat signal on your pod verse or maybe a podcast addict. I hear that they've got it all
set up in beta. I don't know if it's in the full release yet. And of course, you can always listen to us and join in the chat room on curio caster. So that's three and maybe another one coming soon. Or another two who knows. The Google the Google thing. You know, it really thought a lot about this when I saw the I was already thinking this way
because I was listening to new media show. Right? It was a long conversation they had and it wasn't really clippable but you know, the best of their they started off talking about the Google podcasts shut down. Yeah, I'm ready to talk all about it when? Whenever you guys all you guys. Okay. Yeah, I brought a PowerPoint. But see the Hey, wait a minute, we need that in the lit tag PowerPoint where you can how you can render the slides as we as we do this list? Yeah.
That will really bring in the audience. Live chapters, baby, come on, it can be done. It's a good idea, isn't it? It's like, okay, you got me. You know, there's a lot so didn't didn't when this thing hit with with him laying off these people. It really confirmed what I was already thinking in this direction. And then this was
like, oh, yeah, total confirmation. The, you know, the Google podcasts thing is, is most they removed it from their search, they remove podcasts from their search results, you know, in the immediate end, understandable thought process was, well, you know, they're going to well, they're going to move all their podcasting stuff over to YouTube. You know, maybe, oh, let me just tell you no, no, I don't I don't think so. either. That's what I'm saying
me. I'm like, I'm leaving open the fact that I could be wrong. I could be wrong that this they may be but my, my gut feeling is that they, here's what I think is going going on in inside Google. They have just woken up to the fact that they're about to get they're about to get passed by. They're in trouble. And I think they can see it. They they're now you know you
have to as a law. Each company that has a huge market share in a particular industry, the thing you have to go back to the Standard Oil example, Standard Oil at any point during, within, you know, 10 years from the time that they that they went down, you could say, oh my god, they're in just a dominant position. But their dominant position was in kerosene. That was their big product. And they owned that market to the tune of
90 plus percent market share in the kerosene market. But then gasoline became the thing when cars, when cars began to be rolled out in mass. They were not prepared to transition. They they made a, they made a miscalculation, and thought that gasoline was not going to be as big of a thing. And, of course, in retrospect, that was the worst possible decision they could have made. And they went from literally, you know, historically speaking, adjusted for inflation, JD Rockefeller
was the richest man that's ever lived. That, you know, in the so called Modern Era, I mean, you know, who knows an all time but that we can think that we can document to being a company, I know that we're broken up as a monopoly, but that was that was on there, or they were already dying. When that process happened. They got they got rocked by a miscalculation in the market. And what would you say, is Google's miscalculation in this case? I don't, I'm not. It's aI related. But I'm not going to
say that it's aI itself. I think that it's, it's the it is the fact that they've, their search is still based on that, you ask a question, and we give you a bunch of links. They they missed? Like, let me, let me lay this out real quick. If you if you think about what's happened over the last 20 years of, you know, tech disruption, and cloud based software 99% of the software, that that is, quote, unquote, disrupted the market in any particular vertical market. Most of that software didn't do
new things. It just what it did was it took like a lot, and a lot of times the software, the on premise software, it was replacing the cloud version did way less. It didn't do even a fraction of what the the entrenched incumbent on prem software application did. The problem was the earth excuse me, the way that they sold it and got the disruption was, yeah, it was cloud based and didn't rely on on on prem expertise, but, but a lot of it was sort of smoke and mirrors with the UI.
So they would take a complex thing. And they would design the UI where it was very simplistic. And it was full of charts and pretty things and that kind of stuff. They removed a lot of the clutter of old on prem, like Windows based software, it was just full of menus and radio buttons and clit and sub menus and preference panes and all this kind of stuff. They took all that away. And you just had this very simplistic Flat UI there was like, Okay, I want to do one, I want to do this thing,
click a button, get a report. And that's like all I did. And it couldn't do 50 of the other things, the entrench software could. That's really I think, what's at the heart of what's about to happen here is that Google is still based on this. If you look at the Google search results page, it's a mess. And it's an it's a nerdy mess. Most people really don't understand what's going on on 90% of that page. But then you put Chad GPT
in front of them, and Chappie. GPT. is terrible. But it gives you the experience that's like, I plug this thing in and it gives me an answer. That right there alone, even if the and I don't know if you saw this, somebody posted a a back and forth they had with chat GP tendency this you post with a plus 10 equals 25. I didn't see that one. Okay, so they said they said 10 plus 10 equals 25. And championship. GPT respondents said no, no, it equals 20. And they said no year
in a row. They responded back to chat. GPT said, No, you're mistaken. 10 plus 10 Does it does equal 25. And Chad GPT responded said Oh, my apologies. Yes, you're right. 10 plus 10 does equal 25. And then it began to argue with Chad GPT began to argue with the person trying to prove that it actually does
equal 25. This thing is a complete farce. It's a mess, but it gives you the experience it gives you A UI experience that can blow it they can overnight blow some something like Google out of the water that's why they if you look at this difficult decision to set us up for the future which is the title of the memo memo the year that he sent out a the words AI are all over this. He mentions AI like six times this is that's just in my mind a byproduct of what's happening.
And I warned for this a year ago. First of all, if you've noticed, the United States government is out everywhere saying all Tik Tok is bad tick tock is bad. China's spying on us. Yeah, okay. Like the only app in the App Store that is spying on us is tick tock, okay. No, tick tock is eating their lunch. I look at the numbers and look at all of the advertising. It's going to tick tock, that's where the audience is gone. They're also going there for search. So they're not they're
not. And we could talk about chat GPT I don't think it's I think it's a complete dud. And it's not it's not the core problem. The core problem is when people are looking for out I'll give an example of of my little town here, Fredericksburg, Texas. Instead of going to Google and saying, what's a great restaurant in Fredericksburg, Texas. They're going on tick tock and saying what's the great restaurant in Fredericksburg, Texas and they'll see a tick tock video of
some people go look at this cool phone. It was so great, boom, boom, boom by Dance, dance. And they'll go to that restaurant. It is it is in effect, in a way also a decentralization of Google's search role. People are finding more value in in recommendations from other people and the finding on Tik Tok the ad money is going to tick tock so what Google and meta have done is they have their lobbyists have solicited the incredible help of several senators and representatives in
in the US government. Hawley is one of them. Marco Rubio, Rubio was one of them. Of course, he's on the on the security, the Senate security oversight committee or whatever. So it sounds real official, nothing could be further from the truth. There's campaign funds flowing everywhere, get rid of tick tock so instead of competing, like a real American company, should, they are getting rid of them this way. And so firstly, the government couldn't load the TIC tock app, and now the University
of Texas and it's just gonna go on. And so they're all in on it. And again, they're getting paid off. It's pathetic. So that's one, two, we are about to go into a five to 10 year. Real, I'll just call it a recession for technology. And that's because we kicked the can down the road from 2008 2009. And now we have coops There we go, interest rates are going up, they'll go near 5% 6%. The free money is over. This is what I kept saying last year, the free money is over. So what you saw
with Google podcast, they are evaluating everything. I have been I just talked about I ran a big company, 700 employees, and we were public. And if we were going to miss our numbers, you have to reduce cost, what is the biggest cost and every in every organization? Number one is top of the list. One is payroll payroll. Exactly. So they cut payroll. And they also looked at what business is making money. Well, I guarantee you podcasting
makes no money for them. Because it's a farce. It's never really been a huge moneymaker. It's a lie. I've kept saying this. It is just not true. So Oh, yeah. You know, they're just removing. I think podcasts, Google podcasts YouTube podcast is going away. They they're not going to mess with it. There's no money in it. Apple is not going to do an app for Android. And why anyone in the podcasting industry would say, Come on Apple, do an android version. Why are you so rude? We have
fantastic apps for Android. Don't be rude. Don't be sucking these guys off. They've done nothing, nothing for you nothing. They're not your friends. They don't care. They just don't care. So we have that the decentralization I think is an important thing that's taking place peep and it's a little more nuanced than I'm running humble at home. It truly is. People are finding different ways to communicate different ways to Mastodon is a very good example of this and I think Elon
Musk also underestimated what what happened. But what's even more beautiful than just Mastodon taking place and people moving away from Twitter to Mastodon is the journal lists are being shunned. The journal AI there's a really good article let me just pick it up real quick. journalists want to recreate Twitter on Mastodon Mastodon is not into it. This saw this from CJR, which is the, you know, the journalism people. And you know, so journalists are now realizing, oh, wait a
minute, we have no power. We don't have the power that we had no, the people are taking back the power, and are using that to their own benefit. That's why they're not near we don't feel like we have to be pigeonholed into into Google Search to get answers. All of this is going away towards the edges. But the main thing is, there's just no money. So we see the Google podcast creator program, the bipoc, creator program, all of these things that was just icing on the cake for a corporation to
score brownie points, it's done. Well, we don't we don't have that free money anymore. Anything that is not wildly profitable. Hello, Spotify is in big trouble, big trouble. That's why you see Spotify come out with the, you know, Apple, Apple, you're harmful. You're anti competitive, you're ruining our business. No, you have no business. And, and I'm just going to finish it up. Why anyone thinks that they're going to make money. By being on Spotify, you should talk to a
musician once in a while. How's that working out? That's all corrupt. They're all the record companies that got stuck in Spotify, they bailed out when it was $300. They sold, they don't care. They don't care, they get blanket license, that's also going to change, you're not going to see while they're probably stuck in some of these big sports streaming deals. But you're not going to see the big blanket license covering all music anymore it this because that's how they do it. Why can
you play music and have it on YouTube? Why can you do that on on tick tock, because they've purchased blanket licenses, all of the the whole structure is falling apart because of the free money train being over. And it could be five years, it could be 10 years, and now is the time now is the time to hunker down, create some cool shit, and just work as lean and thinly as you
can to get by and I am so happy. And in fact, I'm proud of what we've done with podcasting 2.0 Because not only do we have an alternative, where people can develop new places, new experiences, you know, there can be innovation, which you're not going to get, you're not going to get innovation from Silicon Valley in something that isn't wildly profitable. And it's just not they know it. That's why Apple never really did much.
That's why they're promoting their, their subscriptions, which, of course, it's a drop in the bucket, but you know, I can see where it's working for them. And people like getting the attention that, you know, the Apple iTunes or the Apple podcast app will give you, you know, oh, we're promoting all of the things that we make money on, basically. So now is the time to hunker down and build your community and build your
experiences. And it's going to be a great ride for people who aren't reliant on just a benefactors and and sugar daddy showing up. That's all over, I think you're going to see a lot of things fall apart. Not and I hate to say the companies are going to fall apart because I think, in general, the podcast hosting business is, is nicely decentralized, we have a very nice mix. So we can we can lose one or two. And I don't want anything to close. But it's going to be skin of the teeth
time, no doubt about it. And I'm very happy that we've built this. This community outside of Silicon Valley, we don't have to be begging anybody to do anything for us. But podcasting. Podcasting is like good podcasting to a company like Google, in this, I think is more general. It kind of applies across the board. Podcasting, it took me like Google is like Google Reader is to a company like Google. Sure. It's just an add on. There's no There's no, they're never
they're in business. There's no money there. Their business is search advertising period, right. briary. Sir, their business is search as search ads. The search market in general is weakening. You can see that their ad read search ad revenue is also beginning to get shaky because on the security side of things, a thing we've been seeing for the past on the cybersecurity front for the past, not same month or so.
There's been a lot of Talk in the security community about malicious ads, they're beginning to become more and more common in Google Search. They're not policing the quality or the security and safety of the of the search ads. So you can journey and suitability and safeties suitability in there. So you go on any given day, you go and do a Google search for something like notepad plus plus, or some calm or seven zip, or saw, and you get some download that is going to ruin your day.
That used to never happen with Google search. Now, you're you are, you are some percentage likely only have in any given day to get a malicious search ad. And the fact that they're allowing that through, it means that something is shaky. And that that, again, tells me their focus. Well, here's what here's what his Mimosa says, we've undertaken a rigorous review across product areas and functions to ensure that our people and roles are aligned with our highest priorities as a
company. The roles were eliminating reflected the outcome of that review, they cut across alphabet product areas, functions, levels and regions. That this is this is him saying, we are getting rid of anything that we feel like is not core? We're not we're not even we don't give we don't care to two
cents about that. Correct. If you think as a if you're a podcast and industrial complex, you know, participant and youth and your what your thought process has been is oh, well, there's gonna be they're just gonna, they're taking Google podcasts. They're gonna stick it over here, they're gonna move it over to YouTube, there's gonna be a podcast tab and the YouTube app, you're gonna be able to go get podcasts like I may eat
these words, but I don't think that will ever happen. I think what's gonna happen YouTube's podcast quote unquote, strategy probably comes down to this cherry pick successful shows like Joe Rogan, when it's possible to get these shows back did a video based get them back on YouTube? And that's it. That's naked. You're absolutely right, you actually look at the page, what you don't see is a nice page of album art that people have spent
a lot of time on. Because they don't exist for the shows. None of these are podcasts. A podcast has album art. The album art is the brand of the show. You expect you go to a podcast page you're going to see album art of of shows or brands that you recognize No, no, you're seeing screenshots of Oh, Episode 5000 with the guy with the mouth opened by Samuel with the hair crazy. That that's what YouTube does. And, and I think you're going to see YouTube also. I'm not so sure YouTube is wildly
profitable. I'm not so sure about that. It's a very expensive, very expensive area, what they're doing very expensive, the processing the serving, which is also why video has never really made it in podcasting. And that's not that it hasn't been possible, I thought always makes me laugh was that we we've been doing a video on this new media show podcasts for 1314 years. But if you go to blueberry, you can't you can't get any package that will allow you to transfer video
because it's too expensive. They can't make money off of it. YouTube was free video. That's that's their trick. That's ending. I'm telling you, it's all going to end and this is a beautiful time for us. It is going to be so fun, so creative. It's going to be scrappy, like that, like it was any different but it's going to be scrappy, and there's just the Eve I think even the we'll see conferences scaled down significantly because that's another one of those you know, oh yeah, we got
a budget here for the conferences. Well, after you've cut down people the next thing you do is travel and then you go to all the extraneous stuff. What are we doing with
conferences? Well we're still spending 30 grand on this podcast conference 50 grand over here Yeah, cut that out right away what's the ROI keep an eye on traditional cut on like a podcast keep an eye on companies that in the that their name always showed up as a as a sponsor of of whatever podcast conference and what and see if see their names disappear on your sponsorship list that that that will happen that I mean as your rice scrap it's gonna be
scrappy but scrappy in like a in a good way and a good one for reals way not not in Oh, I happen to just you know, you know, somebody just fell, you know, tripped over their wallet and threw a million dollars at me like a scrappy in a way where, where the money, the funding and that kind of thing is coming from from it's coming to groups, apps and hosting Post this stuff like that, that have legitimate products, and it can
change the market. Yeah. And I think right now is a good time. If you're serious if look, if you just want a podcast for your group for your community for your, your boy scout troop for your church, whatever it is, and it's not a it's not a an income generating thing you're doing necessarily, which is still the majority of people who podcast we've gotten into this. You gotta make money gotta grow
the show. No, not necessarily. I don't want to grow the show bigger than the My community is, you know, it's like, that's very dependent upon what you're using it for. The the I see all the reports, you know, and you're responsible for most of the bad news. Oh, no, oh, my God, no more new shows have been created. What's happening? We have no more. We're not growing. We're stagnant. Of course, of course. And this is a great time to start something. Oh, because people are not there is no
promise anymore of money. It's it really has never been there. Unless you are minority group because that's what it was the podcast industrial complex, in in general, was spending money on minority groups to check a box. Yeah, as a tool as a totally as a tool under the guise of there's not enough diverse voices. Well, the diverse voices are out there, they can start. It's not hard to start, but I guess we needed to programs for that. So that's, that's all going by the wayside. The
$200,000, episode, consultants. I see you on LinkedIn. It's $5,000. Now if that overnight that change, it was a farce, the whole thing was built on a house of cards, and bullshit. Now the core of podcasting, it's solid rock solid, we're a part of that. It's going to be fantastic. If you really are making a great product that people care about growing your show is bullshit. You know, discovery is bullshit. All of that. I'm just gonna say one more thing. It's just bullshit.
Show title. Bullshit. There you go. Let's bring in the guy who I think is doing a very good job of all of this. He is no what is it? Oh, gotta go. I said no, I'm like, Okay. Boot. Where's that boutique? He is. He is in the United Kingdom. He is known as the developer of the fountain app. Please. Welcome back to the boardroom. Ladies and gentlemen, the Honorable Oscar Marais. Hey guys. How's it going? Hey, Oscar. Now you're all pumped about podcasting after that opening?
Oh, yeah. More pumped than ever after that. It's all it's all going down as flaming is in flames. Yeah, that Led Zeppelin is going over now build an app when it comes to podcasting 2.0 apps that are value for value, which of course, it's not a fair comparison, because we have a number of great apps that do not have streaming sites in their you have planted has constantly been been on top, usually by
quite a stretch. And, and a lot of innovation. The most interesting thing to me, I think we talked about it on the last board meeting is this activity stream that you that you've put in, this has blown me away. Because I'm I'm looking at this, I'm like, hey, these guys are commenting on this podcast. And I see friends of mine, and there's a boost there. I'm now using this activity stream to find new things to listen to. It's it's really discovery. It's discovery. It's genius. And
finally, there is a new podcast. I don't want to say that no one has that has innovation. But this is a very, very nice new podcasting experience. I open up the app, it doesn't show me what I haven't listened to or how many podcasts are unlisted, which is a horrible feeling. Whenever I see that on Oh, man,
I'm so behind. It shows me all this stuff. And I think these are this is the direction that we need to go in and and I'd like you to just bring us up to speed on the new version of the app and what you've done and how it's working out. Yeah, sure. I'll give an overview. And yeah, great to hear that. Adam. Is that definitely the intention with the feature. But yeah, let me just give a quick overview. So we launched fountain naught point six, a couple of weeks
ago, which included two big features. One is the Fiat on ramp, and now you can top up your wallet with Apple Pay or Google Pay, which we think is really If you can top up with Apple Pay and Google Pay, yeah, you can talk about with Apple Pay directly in the app. Wow. Well, I don't have apple. But you can do that with Google as well. Yeah. Hmm. Well, I'm on some funky old grass, you know. So I probably don't count in that regard. I didn't know that. That's okay. Wow, that's big.
Yeah. So that we think that's really important just for it means that you can receive your first set into the fountain app into your wallet without actually having to really leave the app. Obviously, you pay via Moon pay, right? Through WebView. But you're still within the app. So you can just buy your first sets in the app. But yeah, so we're really excited
about that. And I'm happy to talk more about the onboarding, which I think last time I was on, I mentioned was like the biggest challenge that I saw, yeah, on the activity stuff. Essentially, the activity feed now, which is on the homescreen of the fountain app shows you all of the activity from the people that you follow on fountain. And this is primarily
drawn from the booths. So for example, if I follow you, Adam, on fountain, and you send a boost to either an episode or a show, I will see that in my activity feed along with the message. And then as well as just and what I'll see underneath that is the actual episode, content card or the show content card. So here allows me to actually straight away just go and play that episode, I can also reply to the booze or like the boost and send us some stats for that comment.
And then the activity feed is also integrated with our clipping features. So for example, if you created a clip of an episode, I would also see that clip in my activity feed. So it's just a way for you to discover what people you're following are listening to effectively and what they're finding valuable. I think, you know, we've been really pleased with the way it's been working over the past couple of weeks.
Because obviously, it's one thing to come up with this idea, but it's actually been working and you see somebody send a boost to a show that you've never heard of before. And you to be honest, you're probably not going to go and subscribe to that feed, or you know, add it to your library. But maybe the episode is interesting enough that you'll go and listen to, you know, half of it, and then you know about that show, and
then you can recommend it for someone else. So I think yeah, that that boosts and the Satoshis that go along with it. Using that as a discovery signal for what content is worth listening to, I think is is really powerful. And that's what we've we've tried to surface in the activity feed. Can I can I pay you to show up in that activity and that activity feed for everybody? Yeah, exactly. So we also have our promotions. So as a podcaster, you can, you don't actually pay while you do you
pay to appear in the activity fee. But the way that promotions work is you're not paying for impressions. So you're not actually paying to be in the feed, you only pay out when people listen to your content. And that's all done with streaming stats in the opposite direction. So if I wanted to promote my show, I could just say I want to set max at 5000 for this episode, streams per minute in the other direction
and people can kind of listen there. So yeah, that's that's how you can promote your show on Phantom. So I can't go around the system and buy that from you directly. Yeah, you can stay safe. You can buy by promotion, you can promote your show from within the fountain app with a credit card without pay as well. Within Yeah, okay.
Good call on Apple Pay, by the way. Yeah. And Google Pay because that gets that sort of gets you in the good graces because they want you to you know, they want you to use Apple Pay. Because then you don't have to think it tell me if I'm wrong. I think the way that it works is if you use Apple Pay, you don't have to do this 30 You don't have to give Apple to 30% Cut.
Yeah, exactly. We don't have to give them the cut on Apple Pay we do for our premium subscription, but not for those one off purchases. Well, that's a great way to do it. And it gets you in the sort of good graces of of Apple and Google by going through their payment system. You know, sort of kinda gets you off their back a little bit, you know, like gets them off your back. I wouldn't count on it. Well,
not forever. It's not there's nothing against there's nothing against the astral rules for having you know, Bitcoin payments and that kind of thing in there. I mean, that's, that's, that's not against the rules, but everybody is nervous about it. And then But then if you integrate with Apple Pay and that kind of thing, you're, you're doing what they are what they are, you're going a route that they want you to go, I
guess is what I'm trying to say. Yeah. So that's, that gives you a little bit of I'm not saying like cover, but it, you're you're you're being a good citizen of their ecosystem in their eyes. Is that fair? Yeah, I think more with the premium subscription using their in app purchases, I think that covers I saw a lot more than Apple Pay. I mean, because, you know, essentially, we are, you know, paying Apple every month 30% of what we make on that. So,
you know, we're, we're providing them with a revenue stream. And actually, when we first launched that in we, we added the premium subscription with a terrible set of additional features, just so that Apple would pay attention to that and approve the app without the risk of the streaming sites being kind of looked at and saying why. You pay? Yeah, yeah, we paid the tax. Yeah. I mean, are you doing okay, on premium? I mean, how is, uh, do you have a pretty good base of subscribers now?
Yeah, so we've got a decent amount of subscribers, I think we need to do a lot better with just, you know, the app features and the premium features. So the premium features right now are number one, you can reduce the transaction fees from 4% to 1%. And those fees are on top of whatever the SAT value is so that we maintain the numerology. And then you have the option to remove promotions if you want to. And then you have access to
more advanced clipping features with the transcript. So, yeah, 4% of our users pay for premium, which you know, is it's funny, that's the same number, my number, my number, that's my number. So yeah, I mean, we were happy with that, considering like, that we're early still. But obviously, we'd like to push it up. I mean, I've heard that Spotify. Their conversion is 40% on premium but I mean, if you listen to Spotify without premium is so annoying, you know, you can't you can't
shuffle you can't skip the ads. So it's much more of a Yeah, even if you have premium, the Joe Rogan show I think I mentioned this is interrupted every 10 minutes, you're watching video, then all sudden, the video closes. You hear Joe going, Hey, I love these book pills. And you know, this is this to add read and then it goes right back into the videos
every 1015 minutes. And I pay for premium. Just ridiculous to pieces of feedback that I got from people, because of course for my my testbed is Korean the keeper because these are not your typical podcast app users not your typical technology. adopters, you know that I even got a report from from John Spurlock that show that indeed, on that particular show, now we're only available podcasting. 2.0 not in the Apple or Spotify or anything like that. We have a pretty high. So it's actually
like this Safari chrome pod verse. Podcast addict, Firefox edge, it goes down the list. You know, it's and that's right. When a show is released, it's mainly on browsers. And then there's a conversion and the conversion is actually it's interesting as well. Because we have pod verse 25%, podcast addicts 16th fountain 11. So they are getting they are getting to the app and a lot of people of course, we're struggling. Just trying to figure out how you know how,
what is the Satoshis? I mean, they're starting at the beginning, obviously. Now that you've added that and we've been we've been talking about now Okay, now you can now you can fill up your wallet right in the app is very exciting people. Okay, I'm doing this. And here's the main thing we get back. I don't trust this thing called Moon pay. What the hell was that? Is this a bug? Is this a hacker? And, and I will say at least one person said I went to the FAQs, saw that that was the
approved partner and so I felt better about it. But the minute someone has to get because because the onboarding is slick, there's no driver's license, no, take a picture, move your head cough three times. It's your social security number, which is also a thing for Pete like I'm going to give my social security number to an outfit called Moon peg. So it's just these little things, but it's getting there and You can be really proud of how well you're doing with this.
Oh, no, thanks. I appreciate that. And yeah, I definitely understand that it's not ideal that we have to introduce a third party. And it's an additional, you know, entity that you have to ask question, Who are these people? You know, what are they doing? I think hopefully, at some point, we will be able to do it all underneath, you know, just kind
of found him brand in the app. But I think for now, the moon pay flow is it's much better than what we had before you avoid, you avoid the lightning invoices, you avoid having to download another lightning, wallet to your phone. So yes, step in the right direction. But still lots we can do that. And in general, I have since we have pod verse now also has a much easier onboarding process with the with the Alby wallet, they have Moon pay built right in granted, it is one step outside
of the app. But I'm seeing I'm just seeing the increase. I'm Dave, you've seen it too. It's an increase a digit daily increase. What is now of course, I'm also looking at Fiat dollars. So that has changed a little bit in the in the past is really transaction count. That's what we're looking at. Yeah, the transaction count is way up. And it's incredibly exciting to see I mean, it really enough with all the stuff I'm talking about. It's just communication, you know, it just communication, UX,
all that kind of stuff. But people are doing it. And I think this was a huge, huge step forward for podcasting. 2.0 for the value for value piece, a big, big step forward having this onboarding inside the apps. Yeah, you know, as I said this before, that, all of these things that you have to go through the KYC. And in that kind of stuff. It's no different than you have to go through with anything else. I mean, try to go get a bank account. Oh,
it was worse for Cash App. Man, we had the Cash App, you had to do license and literally take up, take a picture, move your head left, move your head, right. Yeah, that's it. The only differences is all at once, like with, you know, when you go through one of these other ones, like try trying to get any sort of financial, like account anywhere for anything, not crit, not crypto related, just normal, everyday stuff. With fiat currency. It's just as onerous except that it's in slow
motion over time. And so you don't really notice. You don't really put it all together. It's just slow, sort of small, you know, 1000 cuts. But when you go through like a crypto quote unquote onboarding process, it's just sort of like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, you gotta give give him all your stuff all at once. And it's like, whoa, this feels intrusive, but it's really, it's really probably no ultimately less intrusive than going to even to get some other kind of account. Really.
No, go ahead. No, go ahead. No, I was I was gonna ask, How do I game your system of ameba Tron, I want to I want to develop or have found to tell me how, how can I take a podcast I love and put it to the top of the charts? Well, I'm glad you asked. Because there is a way to get a pin, I've got a pin. And yeah, so we, you know, we stole the concept of the baller
boost, I'm sure you guys won't mind. But essentially, in your feed, even if you're not following that person, the ball of boost from the last three days will show up in everyone's feet. So if you want to, you know, showcase that episode to everybody using fountain you gotta use them. Yeah, you gotta you gotta get to the thought. Ah, is there a magic number that you can reveal? Or is this delays? Or is there a discovery process that has to happen for this?
No, it just depends on the top boost about by sat value in the last three days. Now, it does not have to be a boost coming it has to be a boost coming from fountain though right? Yeah, it does right now. But um, you know, one of the things I like commit to is that everything that we see in Fountain right now I want that to work kind of between the
apps. So for example, right now if you if you send a boost from I think breeze curio caster, not sure about pod verse, but it will actually show up on the episode page in Fountain how do you how do you do that? So if we have a split, then we can see the the value MC total and we can, you know, check to see, you
know, have we created this already. And if not, then we can create that boost and just set it be from whatever the the sending app was from you if you host if you're the one that onboarded the podcast or so you would have a split there and so you'd be able to see it. Yeah, and even if we didn't on on both the podcast, some podcasters that are running their own node, for example, just give us a 1% split.
I want to do that that way. I want to do that right away. I want to I want all my booths to show up on fountain. Yeah, so you can if you give us a 1% split, we'll create the booths from curio caster breeze and pod verse. I can't remember I spoke to Mitch and there was like, one tiny thing that we needed to change. It might be working now, but maybe someone can can double check that on a feed that has has a fountain split. Okay, so how do so the bot Okay, so baller boosts go into the
into the sort of universal activity feed. But then how does that relate to the charts? Like the charts that you produce? On your side? Is that something a different algorithm? Or is that basically just a conglomeration of the activity phase stuff? Yeah, it's basically the same. It's all based on the Satoshi value. So yeah, and the charts right now are just based on support from fountain within fountain, but we plan to kind of aggregate any income that we see from other apps as well.
What is the what is the fountain username for the split? I'll have to send that to you, man. I'm here ready to fill it in? I'm ready to do. Yeah, it does require it does. I'll have to look that up. Well, I mean, one thing that this kind of leads into, which be great to get your thoughts on is I think there's a GitHub thread about this on on the podcast, index, GitHub, but you know, the ability to add a lightning address to the split. Because I
think this would make things a lot easier. Just in situations like these. Instead of asking for my value block, you can just ask for my lightning address. And I know, both Albion fountain have the same key send lookup on that. That kind of is not the ln URL spec is not in that spec. But we both just went for the same one. So yeah, I think it'd be great to get into the value block spec. And then we can just say, Hey, what's your lightning address? I'll add you to the split.
Okay. Yeah, I mean, I could does it doesn't have to be in this province, he does have to be named in the spec. Because I think you can do that now. Right? I mean, the real really, the question is, are the blocker there is, the service that's hosting the wallets has to be capable to resolve it. So like, in the case of something like ln PE, Tim would have to make sure that LM PE does that look up before? Because he, you could just put the lining address in there, and then he would have to
do the lookup on the fly. Am I understanding that right? Yeah, I guess I guess we could. So for example, if we saw, you know, type equals node and address equals lightning address, we could choose to interpret that. But ideally, if we had, for example, you know, a different type or, you know, ln URL, pay lightning address, because then we can kind of agree like, fountain adverse Alby curio, Acosta, whoever else can all agree that okay, this is the way that we're going to do that lookup.
What should that look like? Should it be in the address field with a different type? Or should it just be a type still is lightning but the address that you have, and maybe an additional attribute, that is something else like key, you know, I don't know, just some some other zone, some other named attribute. And it's like, Well, if that thing is present, do a resolution, ignore that? Ignore the address and resolve it? Yeah. So I think the easiest way would just be like, I'm just
looking at the dock now. And we have, you know, podcast value recipient, type equals node and address equals pub key. And if we just had a different type, so type equals ln URL, pay and address equals, you know, [email protected], or Dave at get allday.com. And then we just kind of introduced that new type, which is this is the lightning address. And every app
or service knows what to do with that lightning address. It just goes to the lookup format, in the same way that normal lightning address payments work. Now did that Linear l guys, did they ever endorsed this or waste? Are we still doing this on our own? So from chatting to the guys at Alby, I think the way forward is for us to just do this, and then go back to the ln URL guys and just say, Hey, this is working. We're all doing it. Can you please add it?
Yeah, cuz, because the type the type name, I don't want to call the type Ellen URL, if it's not Ellen URL, we can call call it, you know, something else? Because that, you know, they were so resistant to this simple idea last time that I mean, I don't want to, I don't want to name this their stuff. So like it could, you know, whatever we're calling this probably needs to be you know, I'm I agree, I fully agree. It's as
simple as a simple resolver. And, you know, it gets to the point where it's, I will I mean, we don't need your permission, which could do it. So if we do it. I wonder what we call it. I guess we can hash that out on the, you know, on the thing, but it makes sense. This makes a lot of sense. Yeah, I'll, I'll look at doing that. Or if you want to do a PR or something with suggestion. Yeah. I'm happy to write out an issue for it. Yeah, do that.
Let me switch gears for a second wave Lake launched and very confusing to me. There's a lot of enthusiasm. I'm cautiously enthusiastic. Do we know if they are indeed putting out an RSS feed with a value block that can be ingested with the medium tag? And And where does that? Where does that leave everybody in this case? Do we know anything about this? Yeah, I think as far as I know, they are putting out an RSS feed with the music medium tag. Okay, could be wrong, though.
Right? I, man. We're, it feels like we're very close. But we're kind of passing by each other. I mean, that would be maybe just be my, my interpretation of the situation. Yeah, I tried to play with it a few times in and get just got called away every time and I have not finished going through I created an account and got in there and then just literally got pulled away. So I think it's this wave like studio is what
this is, it's a studio.wavelight.com. And then you create an account in which that you can upload your music and stuff there. Oh, which is good. But I haven't seen a feed. If somebody can send me a feed, maybe tone record has a feed that he can send. And that way I can I can look at the feed and see what's actually in it. I guess the second question would be, are you going to support while the two things are? Maybe I should step back?
But are you going to support the the medium tag for music? Have you thought about that? And yeah, definitely would would love to support the music medium tag just kind of waiting for for more. Can we have 44,000? Feeds with medium tag music, I believe? Yeah, those are those are hand curated. So there are Yeah, it's enough to populate a little section. Yeah, that's what I wanted. That's why we did it. So me, Alex and I ran that. Ran that Python machine learning
algorithm over over square root slurpy. slurpy. Yeah. Over the whole thing over the whole index for God, we have four weeks. No, no, no, like a couple of months. Oh, it took forever. Yeah. And to just identify, try to get an identification of some level of let's just say, Okay, well, here, let's try to get maybe 50,000 feeds that are that have music, and we'll go home, we'll
just hand tag them. And then we at least have something that apps who want to who want to play with music as a as they'll just have a they'll Yeah, they'll have a corpus of content there to play with. Now, I think it's, I think it's I think the whole thing is, is interesting. I just I want to see we also have this issue. And I think I see are you you're looking at live too, right? Yeah, that was my next question. Yeah, definitely. Definitely live is, you know, the, the
highest priority for us. Yeah. Okay. What do you need from me on that? Do you do you need me to give you any support on that from the API or anything else? I think we're all good. To be honest. It's just been a bit of a hectic few weeks. So we just need to get around to it really. But yeah, definitely. You are the developer. Yeah, seems like seems like it might have been kind of busy.
Yes. And Nick to a bootcamp, it will be good to go. It'll be You're being uh ya know, if you need anything, you know, please tell me, um, because as I'm living in that space right now, with the live stuff, trying to get it to be trying to get it to be well represented in the API calls where appropriate, and, you know, pod, pod ping is there now, so you should be good from
that standpoint. I think as far as like getting up to speed with live, I think it's a much easier process now than it was a month ago. You know, two months ago, I think I think the support is there now to make it doable. Okay, great. Well, yeah, definitely. Hold hold me to hold us. But, uh, no. And that is wick on in. I don't know if you ever
knew this was why I brought up live. But you know, Alex, and I've been going back and forth on well, you know, what, what do you do with some of these things like Mitch is bringing up where he so he says, Well, you know, for long running, let's just say, you know, jet stream hunters and retro these sort of 24 hour live streams that, that never stop. And what do you do
with those? And so that Alison told me is like, well, you know, why don't we just come up with a new medium, you know, call it whatever I mean, you know, radio or whatever, just give it some name. That indicates that this is a continuous live stream. And I mean, I like that idea. I think I think having it as a medium is pretty elegant. Get because medium feels like one of those things that it it solves it really exists in a space. Within the within the infrastructure of podcasting. It
has always been needed, but but it was squishy. Because it's like it's not a category. And it's not a different tag, like it's not a it's it's not something other than an episode, or excuse me an item, it's an item. But it's like it never there's never really a good place to stick this and medium is so elegant. Because you can say you can do this, okay, well, this is a different type of thing. So having a long running 24/7 stream, you know, found that less you as, as the app
know, okay, well, here's, here's this unique thing. And here's how we're going to know how to handle this differently than then a normal episode, which is a download, or a live stream, which is a, you know, moment in time. piece of content. That's that's streaming, though. Okay, well, here's a third. Here's the third thing. This other thing is something that just never stops. And so you can tune in and tune out. And as we'll wait, does that make sense to you? I think it does.
Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense to separate that out from the, you know, single Live episode. Yeah. Well, that, are you. You're probably really not even looking at medium right now at all. Because you really don't have a use, you know, you don't have none of your features require that right. Yeah, not not right now. But obviously, yeah, I plan to support that in the future. Since this is of course, my one of my my, my pet little project
slash peeves. So I someone was kind enough to give me your, the fountain ID address. So I'm all I already put a 1% split in for podcasting to point out. The replies I mean, I'm just going to say it again, another two weeks gone by nothing on cross app comments. So how do we get replies that are boost replies? How do we get those across to other apps? Is that even possible? Have you thought about it? Have you talked to anybody about it? Yeah, great question. And it's a big question. I think we
definitely want that to happen. But I think is is as you guys have talked about over the past week or month, this is the most difficult tag and it's the most difficult thing to do. I think there are a few different options. And I'm kind of just waiting to see what
happens. I think one option that you guys have talked about over the past few weeks is bridging booths into activity pubs so essentially, creating, you know, and I'm not that familiar with activity targets, I might be using the wrong In the terminology here, but essentially creating a kind of route, comment inactivity pub for each boost, and then letting people reply off of that. That's one option. Another option is Noster, which is obviously, you know, it's a whole different
thing. But I do think it could work. The only thing I think that's potentially missing there, or who's potentially missing from all of these options is the ability to kind of, you know, associate a payment with that message in a way that isn't just in the text of the message. So yeah, I think there's a few different options. I just think that it is unfortunately, just going to take a bit of time. But yeah,
I'm definitely everything that we do in balancing. I'm thinking about how can we apply this cross app, because ultimately, we're competing against Apple and Spotify. And thank you, this is the killer feature that is going to, you know, help all of the forecasting 2.0 apps take huge market share from Apple and Spotify, because they're never going to do that. You know? Yeah. So yeah, I think it will happen. It's just a really difficult thing to do. That's a great way to look at it. Yeah.
All of the excitement, for me is really in that. And, you know, I set up a friend of mine and his wife, they're doing a podcast. And he immediately said, Oh, I'm building a community on fountain. I'm like, that's fantastic. No, of course, it's unfortunate, because it's only one part of his community. The other ones are just kind of left out. But it's definitely where there's excitement. And, and I'm just gravitating towards where things are working. I think you and I talked briefly or maybe it
was a suggestion that. So for podcasting 2.0, we would be able to make the booths public after we do the live show. Is that Yeah, have you put that on your list somewhere for us? Yeah, that's on the list. I haven't done it yet. But I don't know. Because I stand by it as a podcaster. I've been doing it for a while. There's nothing more exciting than adding a split into my value block and that activating a
service. It's just so sexy. Yeah, it's like, I put a split in to my Git Alby and, and now I have two different I have contracts, and I have the Saturn stats package is I mean, that's a huge, huge value that I'm getting, just by adding 1% into my value block. I mean, this as a podcaster. It clicks, like, I don't have to integrate with API's, I don't have to
understand any of that. I just need to and thank God for really thank God for sovereign feeds, where I can just say, Oh, this is the get Alby address, clickety, click, this is the fountain address, clickety click, it resolves everything, don't have to think about it don't have to look up any, any IDs. I mean, it's getting so beautifully simple, that for a podcaster this is exactly what you want.
Is there ever been anything like, I'm struggling to think of an example of something like this, where you simply sit begins sending somebody a payment, and the service just activates? I mean, like, like, from the, from the sender side, you know, like, traditionally, you would, uh, you know, you go and you register, and you set up a payment from the, from the provider side, and they're gonna take, they're gonna pull money from you, or, you know, on a regular basis to pay for the to
pay for your use of the service. I don't, I'm not sure that there's ever existed a way where I can just from my side, from the consumer side, I can just begin paying you at random and the service just becomes available. But I can't think of any analogy for that. I don't think so. Obviously, it does something wrong on a
second. Thank you. The only the only analogy is sending an email somewhere that it's not a payment, but you send an email, it'll show up in a form in a list or something like that, that that's pretty much the only the only glitch based service activation is not something that I think has ever exists. No, no. That's kind of exciting. I mean, it's, it's it's kind of exciting because it solves so many issues. security, privacy, these things. I mean, like you I can't think of
anything else like it. I don't know just just thinking out loud here. No, not at all. There's nothing like it. This is why it's so beautiful. And I like the, you know, I like this. I liked the idea that, you know, your podcast and 2.2 apps or as a group are competing. You know, they're competing really, it's almost not even with Apple and Spotify in, in these almost a whole different level playing field. They're competing with malaise.
malaise? Yes, yes, they're competing, they're competing with, with near, you know, just just like, like they're competing with an entrenched average user listener experience. Yes, Wallah. That's why I liked the activity lightning timeline so much. It's every we've got stuck in this inbox model in day one from day one. I mean, I always like to kind of river of podcasts, you know, which is your unplayed episodes, which is works very well, I think almost every app has a version of it
now. But we are all stuck in this, here's your podcasts, you know, this is the ones you subscribe to or follow, let's, let's all have that not be the same. I'm looking at you ask her. And, you know, just something new, something new and exciting. And that's, that's what I'm seeing. And it shows in the results. Yeah, I think because with podcasting, the fact that in every single app, you really have to subscribe to a feed or follow it depending on what language you're using. And that
makes the barrier to listen to the content really high. Whereas there's so much incredible content out there, that's probably you're going to find so interesting or entertaining. But you're never going to subscribe to that feed. And right now, there's not really a way other than outside of the podcast that just in, you know, word of mouth to discover that content. Now, when, okay, so if a new user comes into fountain, the
activity feed is not assumed because it's a glow. It's a global baller boosts curated feed, that that new users activity feed is not blank, when they show up, it comes in with with a lot of stuff there. Yeah, so along with the, there's, I guess there's four things that go into the activity feed. The first is activity from people that you follow, which will be empty, if you're a brand
new user. The second is the $1 boost from the last three days, which you will always see that'll be in there for a new user. And then the the third thing is clips that are that have been liked, you know, a lot in the last, you know, whatever time period, so you can see clips because we want to introduce the clipping feature to new users. And then the final thing is promotions as well. So that's what you'll see. And it will be jumbled up in the feed.
So that is my next question is Is the activity feed available in some external way? Like, could I, but I look at the activity feed is you have there's an API or something that I can look at that? Or is that still private to the app? It's still private to the app right now. But yeah, as I said before, I think, you know, the real power of these features is if they work between the apps. So the only reason that it's still private is because we haven't figured out exactly how
we're going to share that data between that. But yeah, at some point, I envision that, you know, you'll be able to read that data, you know, for us, because we also have the show feeds as well. So if you go and find the show, you'll be able to see the feed for that show. So, you know, if, if another app wanted to read the show feed from fountain, they could do that. And hopefully we could read that same show feed from another app and we just all merged them. Now that's not a bad idea.
Yeah, cuz that you know, like that. They've been forever obsessed with trying to get trying to get data about what shows are being listened to popularity, things like that, like real real popularity, not, not charts, not not things that you know, oh, Apple says these are your top podcasts or Spotify says your top podcasts like real data from actual people listening to stuff and sharing it, clipping it, boosting it,
whatever the signals are. And you know that If I had a way to just, if I had a way to, to see, you know, the 100% anonymized data just like, you know, hey, this show is just really, this episode is really popular in our app right now, you know, I get, I don't give two craps about, like, who's boosting it, or who's sharing it or clipping it from us from an index directory standpoint, I just want to know what it is, you know, I want to
know what it is. So that I can say, you know, so I can in an hour, you know, crude ranking, give that higher priority, because clearly, it may be something people are excited about whatever this is, in that may be across, you know, five or six different apps, you know, I would love to just be constantly polling those, those sort of popularity feeds to say, okay, these are the shows episodes and feeds that are that people are listening to the most now, to have a recent list because I'm
not happy with the bias. Every every app has bias, you know, our directory has bias. Because, you know, we see so much activity with podcasting 2.0 oriented shows, and Bitcoin oriented shows and things like that. So, you know, that's not necessarily representative of what's going on across across podcast, what is the what is the output you want from that, Dave?
I want to I want to be able to amalgamate all of those things, you know, I would love to just have these have these feed activity, so that then I could produce an in a single endpoint that people could pull, that would say, Okay, over the last 30 days, or less, seven days or three days, these are the fields that have been that have had just tons of activity. Okay, because that's, to me, that's a good, that's a the most organic discovery mechanism that you can
find. I disagree with that. But okay. Well, I mean, I guess the most organic is word of mouth. But like, yes, what I mean is like, when it comes to algorithmic, that's as close to organic as you can get, is, if you're saying if people are when people start following, you know, following shows, listening to episodes, and that kind of thing, is that data comes back out of the app. And, and I can see it, and then disseminate that back out to, you know, everybody else.
That's, that is sort of, it evens the bar, it evens out the bias, it levels it out to where there's there's everybody's biases are becoming equal, which means you have normalized and this is interesting. I personally, I think the app itself has bias built in. So fountain is clearly an app that has a certain user group, because of its because of what it's been doing early on. And I think found pod bursts has, has its own user group,
which is very different. And I'm not so sure that I mean, I understand what you would want to see it, I just don't know if I'd be interested in a feed that is from all these apps. And it's to me, it's more interesting what you're listening to. I want to know that. I hear you like snap some data, I get it, I get it. Well, normalized bias. That's what our MPP That's right, normalized,
normalized bias. That's what I want. I want normalized by the way that you will see, you know, because I guess you okay, here's my concern. And this, this leads into a bigger discussion. I put in this thing today into the stats, a tweak the stats, and then now has an extra set of data in there. These are the hourly and daily stat counts, that people are pulling from the Todd wanted days, and so we've produced them. So this is like feeds with new episodes every three days, every seven days, 10
days, blah, blah, blah. What's bothered me for a long time is that anchor skews, these numbers are so hard. They they have so many junk feeds on a daily basis that it's it's noisy, it's it's pure noise. So what I've wanted is a way to, to have stats that exclude that. That is, first of all exclude anchor just because it skews things too hard. Right now it's a virus in the badass
industrial complex. But then, on a bigger scale, hopefully we can get the new tag that I've proposed that allows hosting companies to indicate whether or not a feed is paid for or free. Yeah, so I would like to produce two different One sets of stats, essentially, one that's just totals across the board totals no and no, nope, cherrypicking. But then another set of stats that says, These are the, these are the feeds that people have paid for this appears that, you know, they've gone to a hosting
company or they've done something. Basically, there the feeds that don't, don't have that are not labeled by the hosting company as a free or trial account, which, in my opinion, 99.9% of anchor should have that tag within it. These are all free or trial accounts, essentially. And so that's, that's what I want. Well, that. That's the bias. That's an example of the type of bias I'm trying to control for here.
Because when if you take something like fountain, the understandably, in it for a good reason, and it's beneficial to be this way. There's a strong bias towards Bitcoin podcasting there. And that's, that's good. Except that law, I guess, I think on a long enough time scale, you don't want to be hamstrung. By that bias, you want to, you want to go above
that bias. And the same thing with POD verse or any of the other apps, if you if your bias becomes too strong, you end up limiting your audience because they think a book is going to get in there all they see at the top is just this one flavor of show. And I'm not saying that you don't you have that as part
of your as part of your exposed data. But then it would be really nice if you had this other more normalized set of data, that you could say, Okay, well, he and you can mix that in so that it doesn't look like your bias doesn't stand out as much. I'm gonna ask this question, and I'm trying to sign sound as kind as possible. Thanks. No, don't don't do that. Who is the intended audience for the steps? Because I, there's so much
energy and effort goes into this. But the main users seem to be Todd, and James, who I'm just trying to understand who is this really for? Is it is it's for? It's for everybody. It okay, there's so a two part answer. Answer number answer. Number one, is, it's for everyone. Everyone in the podcast industrial complex, to see what some actual real numbers may look like that are not, that don't, that are not influenced by somebody's agenda.
Because I really have none. I don't even care that much about the about stats. So I'm the perfect guy to put stats together, because I don't care about stats, that the second one is is for me, because I'm I've just I'm uncomfortable. There's something the what I see as far as numbers go, bother me on a consistent basis. Because, you know, it's like, it's like it is with, with with some? Well, it's like it is with with YouTube, you can say, Oh, well, you know, we had 20 million hours of video
uploaded every single day. Okay, well, if only if only 1000 hours of that videos ever watched within the number is bullshit. And I don't like existing in a place where I think the numbers are grossly skewed in a way that I can't get my head around what's actually happening. So it's more as more of a of an obsession to try to get some idea. I mean, we run an index of where we're trying to see every every podcast in the whole world
that exists. And if I think that the numbers I'm seeing are just flat out wrong or in are not indicative of what's really going on, because, okay, the discussion we had at the beginning of the show today about Google, Google podcasts and you know, okay, podcasting is starting to flatten out, you know, the grow, the hyper growth is not there, blah, blah, blah. I really would like to see that indicated in the actual numbers.
So again, I, as I stated, I understand why you want it I just see an enormous amount of energy going into this that is really only used for a headline in an article I as a podcaster. I don't I have no benefit. I don't maybe maybe it should hasn't presented been presented to me in a way that that is interesting. As a I don't know, if an app developer, I mean, it seems like hosting companies want this information for competitive reasons to compare to their own internal numbers.
How are we doing? And journalists? I'm just trying to understand the actual intended audience besides yourself, which is completely valid. If you if you just want me if you just let me give you this cool. Let me give you a comparison. So here's here's the numbers coming out, right, coming out of this right now feeds with new episodes, in the last 90 days 490,960. Fees with new episodes in the last 90
days, the Exclude anchor 359,815. So you're talking about 150,000 Less podcasts that have produced a new episode in the last 90 days, if you take anchor out of that equation, okay, to me, that's a logarithmic difference in the number in the numbers here. So we're talking about, we're talking about big differences in the numbers. And if people are just looking at, if they're looking at headline stats, it's sort of like CPR versus, you know, headline inflation or whatever. Versus
core inflation. Like, I don't I think we all know that, you know, that 7% Inflation is BS. Like, give me the real No, no, no, give me the real numbers. Okay. Right. But inflation is something different, because Inflation affects people. Well, they have a number of the number of episodes, the number of feeds on Anchor, that are, or the number of shows with more than a feed with more than it just doesn't matter to me. And that's what I'm just trying to understand
why I wanted you because you're not a hosting company. So okay, thank you. There's my answer. At the end, so the intended audience is hosting companies. And that's okay, that's, that's that was the question I asked a nut, not just hosting companies, hosting companies, into anybody interested in building a product within the podcast world. If I think I think it's nice to know real numbers, so that when you start to go into these things, you
don't feel like you're building a service. If you go in, you say, oh, man, there's a half a million feeds put, you know, shows posting new episodes every, every 90 days, you're like, Okay, we're gonna build our, we're gonna build our MVP of our new product based on these, you know, these big numbers. If the numbers are far less, if the real numbers are far less, you may not, you may decide not to even build that product. Like, I guess what I'm uncomfortable with is people are
starting to take our numbers. I see our numbers everywhere. And I don't want that to mislead somebody into thinking that the podcast ecosystem can support a product that they may think otherwise about. If they had better numbers, okay. Okay. General, I don't like aggregate anything. But I think I feel like if this one is going to be out there, and it's going to be people can download it to a database and look at it. I feel like we sort of owe it to people to give him the most accurate statistics
that are completely valid. Okay, cool. Solve now, because I mean, for me, I like the I like it. I don't like it in a way. I don't like leaderboards in general. But I'm always happy to see the fountain top 10 This week, or whatever it is, I love seeing that, just because there's excitement around it, and and it excites the podcaster and excites the people who are listening to those podcasts that that excitement is I really like
seeing that. So whenever I think stats, I think there was an interesting conversation on I think, the pod news weekly review, formerly known as what was the thing called again, I forgot what it used to be called pod lane, pod land, right? You know about length of time listen, which of course we have that information too. And there's, you know, there's two stats packages, I look at an A, it's phenomenal to see where people are dropping off and where they're coming back in or
at all and where booths happen. That to me is a podcast or someone who's producing programming. That's the kind of stuff that that really excites me. So I was just trying to understand the intended audience totally get it. It's mainly and I understand why you want it since we're producing stats, you want to have the best stats, I got it. It makes total sense to me.
Yeah. How's that coffee? Oscar okay sorry we get we get distracted with shiny things sometimes yeah we do we do but it's okay and and I saw the Spurlock page Pro I think it's from December from Livewire the way he laid out the stats that you produced That's That's sexy to look at man. That's really cool. But it but it missed the top was a called thing was literally called Top podcast hosting COMM Now that's not it which one was it the stats? Podcast index statistics visualized.
Yeah, that's the one that that's actually what made me do put this stuff in there. It didn't really take that long because I was I saw that I was like, Man that just looks, I feel I have got this gut feeling that is, this is misleading. Because I literally I look at I look at if you saw the river of nonsense coming out of anchor Yeah, you would be like, now, you know, I've actually thought about just not even including anchor podcasts at all. Unless they have an iTunes ID associated
with them. It's that bad. It's a river of garbage. How what is the discrepancy between the value for value page on podcast index, which shows 10,957 versus the numbers from December 3 In this live wire, which shows 11,280? No idea. Okay. I'll have to I will resolve this discrepancy. Yeah,
I mean, because that I mean, that's the number I look at. And so I from first from a statistic standpoint, here's here's the stats, I really am interested in love looking at value blocks, transcripts, funding tags, chapters, music, medium of music medium of video. That's the stuff that I would like. I would just say, when you're doing stats, as a participant, I would love to see that. That's interesting to me. Those are
really cool. One thing one thing that would be cool to see as well is you could have like a shame leaderboard for all the hosting companies for each tag, so you could rank the hosting companies based on the percentage of their feeds that implement each tag. I don't really like shaming people but at least know how you think Oscar real nice wash a shame activity feed. Like for all the for all the found
listeners that don't boost Hmm. There you go. This is the guy that's been at the spin on fountain the longest and has hasn't been has been boosted any. Yeah. Huh. Okay. You want to thanks for people? Yeah, definitely. We've been getting a lot of boosts coming in during the show. You've probably heard the little sounds. And that's usually when there's a booster Graham coming in. Let's see, Martin Linda's Coke is over boosting 1776 We have kinnexa 12345. Thank you very much. says Hey, Oh, cheers,
Rene. We got Mike dell 54321. Blueberries really close to launching a bunch of new podcasting 2.0 stuff next week? Yes. Todd has been talking about this. Do we have a an actual list of what he's going to be the crack and they're releasing the crack and they're releasing the crack and we have dreads Dred Scott. Hello, Dred Scott. 123456 Sakala 20 is blades only Impala and he just says go podcasting. Thanks. Yeah, thank you so much, Dr. Martin Linda's cog with a row of ducks. Martin I'm not
gonna read every single time you boost. Eric TP Eric peepee who has actually been quite helpful in the in the chat today. 33,333 Blueberry with a swing and a row of dicks another 117 1776 Live chapters he liked that idea. Okay. Martin says I wonder if I can listen to your podcast at the same time I'm writing the
show notes for episode Okay. I'm going to try and read the ones that are relevant is another blueberry and Oscar we're very much looking forward to going live and fountain there's numerous lit no agenda streams that are coming to chew bubblegum and kick ass now where's the GM? He says all right. Contracts was 6969 and we were talking what do we have a back and forth with them Was it more it's from, from get Alby about helping them morning onboarding? Yeah, that's that's
very What a cool idea. So the to do list him Yes. So the stat your stats package would actually help you onboard. And why not? Doesn't have to be an app doesn't have to be podcast or wallet can be any kind of service who can onboard? Yeah, I like that very much. Let me see there's Bumi still showcasing
booster grams with 5000 SATs two times. Five 5000 SATs Thank you Bhoomi 30,000 from the tone record so much info coming through in the past week with the medium music tag, trying to follow RSS feeds from the New Wave leg V four v music site helped me see how they coded my releases there. We'll be able to compare that against tone record tracks podcast feed, so I expect a full report for the board meeting by the next next time we come together tone wrecker. I'd really like to see it working
across the board. And I have no idea if I mean, the interface that Brees has is completely different from the from the web, and we'll have to see. Dobby does 25,000 SATs Thank you very much. We have lightning maximalists Oh, that's for no agenda. I'm sorry. 25,000 from bore log, Borlaug thank you for everything you're doing especially all the teaching
you're doing along the way. Yes, very nice. We have I think that is Yeah, then I get to the delimiter so that's what's been boosting live as we've been live for the past one hour and 36 minutes Shall we thank the rest of our donors for our value for value segment we shall the we get one new subscription monthly subscription on PayPal from Trevor at Z nor partners limited $5 A month thank you very much yeah that's that's a whole server these days.
Yes thank you very much Trevor. And we've got that was only pay pal we got in one off this week. We got a bunch of histograms though we got hard hat 33 Oh 33 No note from hard hat sorry about that some contracts in the background. Okay, we get are you sitting down we get Farscape Ian Yeah 300,000 says 20 is Blaze only him Paulo I think with the bitcoin price now that's a new car
fountain Speak of the devil love the show. Y'all may be interested in a project I've been working on called Sovereign stack and helps you self hosted Bitcoin only value for value websites. Check it out sovereign dash stack.org And yeah, I have seen him show up is very interesting. A lot of people will dig in the stuff he put together they're so nice. I haven't seen that nice package.
And lots of package talk today. Mere Mortals podcast 2222 Road dogs through fountain he says gotta agree with Adam, but put timestamps in my show notes in parentheses from my podcasts to satisfy YouTube and Spotify. This was when I first started off though and was desperate to do anything to make it a better experience for my non existent audience. Now that is in
reference to our stop molesting your show notes. Ah, yes. Cole McCormick through fountain is in his 5555 SAS he says mentioning the fountain charts I saw my show at number 39 For most supported around New Year's fountain is the way rocket ship listen to America plus rocket ship. Yes, America plus to the moon to the moon. Jean been 2222 through Fontanini says multiple years of uptime on Adams server is a good use case for the newest Colonel live
patching functionality. Most distributions have. That is a good point. Oh, very good point. Satchel of Richards from Joe W. 1111. Note. Thank you, Joe. Oh, boy. 54321 through breeze and he says Check out the new breeze SDK. Ooh, I didn't know that they have an SDK. Oh. Oh, wait, wait, wait. Whoa. Oh, we didn't get a moment memo about this. What's happening? Yeah. Yeah, he probably said it on telegram. Then I don't open telegram check out the new breeze SDK and making a note to
go check it out. And add noncustodial lightning payments to your app. Okay, well, we oh, here we go. Lightning as a service. Is this the long awaited Lightning as a service? I don't know. I'm gonna I'm gonna holler at Roy since you don't he says he doesn't. Yeah, please. Do you become a design partner. Oh, okay. Oh, this is this is it. This is the green light. Crucially, this SDK is an end to end noncustodial drop in solution powered by
Greenlight hub. Built in LSP, on chain interoperability, third party Fiat on ramps and other services, you operate the gap. It's everything. It's everything you ever wanted. I came for the apple pie and I got on boarded your breeze wants to help you thrive in the p2p Lightning economy. That's why we're developing this SDK developing keyword. It's the easiest way to tailor lightning to your own environment, letting your users send and receive p2p Bitcoin payments directly from your app. Cool.
Yeah. We're gonna let it ROI on the show. No, no, I'd love to have Roy on the show. Now, Oscar, you switched some of your back end or maybe all of your back end to Zebedee. Is that right? Yeah, that's right. So we are still we still have our own node on LM pay, which is, you know, it's our own node that we that we run, but using Allen pays software. But we have switched some of our back end over to Zebedee. Okay, so I guess was it was a good choice for you. And, like,
what? What benefits? Are you getting out of that? Like, can you tell me anything about it? Yeah, so I guess the main benefit for us as a business as an entity is the custodial risk. So Zebedee have the, you know, the licenses, and all of the, you know, legal stuff to, you know, legally custody people's funds. And so for us, that just takes a lot of the risk out of what we're doing from a business perspective, and lets us just focus on, you know, the
podcasting experience for users. And I think that's really important as we grow, especially with the amount of the volumes as they go up, you know, that was just something that was quite, you know, weighing, weighing heavy, obviously, when you're talking about moving people's money around, so that's the main benefit. Okay. All right. Cool. I love that you had done that. Yeah. I love seeing the name Zebedee show up in my Bible. I didn't know it was a cool name. First, second, Zebedee.
Yeah, but no, no, I've been reading news and Bible study. And I keep saying, Oh, well, this got this name for that product from this and like, all these different names that I see, like, I'm sure people like, Hey, man, we need to see if we can find the domain name. Let's check the Bible. Z Candela these eco wallet is a wallet. Oh, okay, Roy. Yeah, well, well, I'll holler at you, Roy. Very cool, man. Very cool. Dave Jackson. 10,000 SATs. Automatic. He says just got paid
today. Got me a pocketful of change. Go podcasting. Yo, yo, yo. Let me ZZ Top reference from de Jepsen. Yeah. Todd from Northern Virginia. 33 333 through breeze and he says, if he's up for it, would love to hear Xavier on the show about his plans for podcast addict and podcasting. 2.0 Yeah, I've reached out to Xavier before and he very politely declined. said that he's just not a he's just not the kind of guy that wants to go. Oh, that's
cool. So we love what he's doing though. I love what he's doing. Yeah, if you ever change your mind is a good place anytime. Anytime. Anonymous 10,000 We get that two times a mere mortals podcast long row of ducks Big O humongous duck 2222 is like mountain it's like a whole duck hunt. It's like the whole thing is gone nuts with the ducks. Crazy ducks Disco Duck.
Really appreciate your firm stance of not accepting sponsorships or outside money really does highlight how special this project is when everyone else is doing their Year in Review. Apologies if that for accepting money from FTX blog slot blog fi insert X here. You guys are amazing.
100 my eyes it was 197 Members of Congress accepted money from FTX almost a third of the US government of the lawmakers of the US government took money from FTX that's it and it's across the board and Republicans Democrats in I don't know about independence, but it's it really is. It just shows you how broken that is. Bro Yeah, you broke your garbage guy probably took money from FTX is that it's really incredible. Clark Ian 54321 through fountain and he says Keep up the great
work GG no re tabletop RPG podcast is back. Yay after a few months of winter hibernation. Good show. That's my buddy show. We plan to play and release episodes more regularly this year. Now that we're lightning enabled, we hope to educate and convert our patrons and drop Patreon altogether Give us a
listen. Yo whoa boost boost boost anonymous 10,000 sasco podcasting go podcast you know the anonymous I'm convinced that most of those are pod verse because oh really yeah I think we've been with an update somewhere I became anonymous to I sent like some monster booster gram to new media show like 50,000 Another 50,000 as like anonymous 50,000 Anonymous. Oh I want my name jacked
is may see 36,969 SATs from a citizen pod verse nice. And the note is need to reassure the listeners that Richard Stallman will not break into your home to break wind. Although he does cry every time a user logs themselves into a proprietary ecosystem does anyone still know the Richard Stallman legend at this point? I mean, he's getting up there in the years. PS I apologize to anyone who gets offended at some of my clips on pod verse. I just wanted to spread the
inspirational quotes that have given me hope. If I keep working and boosting hard, perhaps I too will be able to obtain wood when I'm Adams. Ah. Wow man that's like like this sloppiest backhanded compliment I've ever seen. I'm not sure it is a compliment, but nice. Okay. Yeah. Richard Stallman, man, the the epic story of of his Is it his contract when he does a speaking gig? You can Google that and find it online. Like when if he
agrees to speak you have to you know his speaking contract? The stuff that's in it is quite humorous. Oh, yeah. Oh, totally. Yeah, there's all kinds of thing and he doesn't want a hotel room. He has to stay with somebody. I mean, he got special food for his parrot. Yeah, that he brings those right. I gotta give him props. He's very consistent about that. I'm very high, high level appreciation for that. Follow up from a citizen 6969 through pod verse. He says I
didn't forget to boost last show, but I was bamboozled. I'm still on Team pod verse But sometimes the confetti is a lie. Regarding the episode splits are not supported on pod verse discussion. I take it to mean that boosting the lid doesn't respect the episode split. So Mitch did clarify this. That pod verse as long as it's in the RSS feed then it does respect the splits yet yes. Right. Okay. So wishes of always the always the source of truth. prospectus. Respect the split. Do I like that?
C dubs one a one a one binary boosts through boosts CLI and he's doing it old school. Boost bot is now on noster and he gives a long nostril address noster does ch slash blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Oh, cool. I actually so so what does that mean? So I don't know. Oh, yeah, of course. You know what I mean? Oh, here it is. Yes, it okay. Yeah, these put pumping out the boost the boost bot through noster Ah, yes. The emmalin let me see if I can find that. That's kind of interesting.
I clicked the link in it shows me all the boosts Ah, yeah. Alright. Anonymous 5000 SATs through pod version. He says send bitcoin boosts to your favorite podcasters with POD verse plus lb hashtag FOSS. Nice. Blueberry scheduler Richards 1111 through the boost CLI and he says testing Attention, please. Paging Dr. C. Dubs. Okay. All righty. 10,000 SATs from the market surfer through pod verse. He says my
first boost. Easy guys. It's my first time thanks to the entire community and especially Sir Alex and Mitch, go podcasting. Yo Yo Yo yo yo. 5000 SATs from anonymous again, and we got 20,000 SATs from Sir dug on. Own a fountain. He says thanks for the tip on loading up fountain using a debit card. There you go. It's a good tip. Oh, okay, Martin. Linda's code just just came into top everybody. Well, oh, not exactly what he did while he did what he did. He did throw out a 123456 you get a
baller for 20 is Blaze. Only him Paola. You got it. I got it. Boom, he gave us three three batches of 5000 says thank you, Martin. Let us go by the way. Yes, boom. Boom, he says us showcase things booster grams. I guess he's demoing something. And then he gave two more Is this still showcasing booster grams? Okay. I don't think we're seeing any curio caster boosts today for some reason.
Martin I wonder what Martin post what did he boost from pod verse a lot most this is pod verse, some fountain and the boost CLI. But not to know I know that people are sending him but it's not coming through for some reason. Maybe it's not coming through. I'm just on my note anything. Anything's possible. It's amazing. The shit works at all. It is what I keep telling my wife. She's like, you know, if someone had a problem, it's amazing. She works at all. I don't know what to say. Sorry.
Yeah. Be be in 2222 He says working on chapters from my podcasts past episodes was the best tool to build and deploy chapters. Well, I would say HyperCard like hyper capturing. Yeah, that's I love the cloud. The cloud chapters. I love that drab does this for all of all the shows I do and certainly for podcasting 2.0 Yeah, for which he receives a handsome split. across areas very, very, very handsome, split. lavish. 12345 through fountain, he says, You like space? Ball
against him? Yes. All right. Yeah, sure. The delimiter chemistry blogger 30 3015 sets do fountain and he says, Dave, Adam, the open source nature of your discourse is the most refreshing main course for the informed podcast listeners you have amassed with this fine product for dessert, perhaps listen to AI dot cooking, which contains a selection of curated
news items about artificial intelligence. CSB prepares the selection, whilst uniquely erudite glyph serves it up with a Plone yo, yo and thank you commerce, your blogger, the man who had never donated to any of my shows for almost 15 years and then all of a sudden boom he's on every single show. It's very much appreciated man love it. He's becoming an he's becoming a quite adept writer of the English language. By the way, these booths are getting better every week.
There's Dred Scott 1234570 Pete Martin's boots on am Paula. Boost battle commence. Yeah, I like it. We have monthlies. Yeah, we do. I had to grab them off of the table here, monthlies Tim's Tima Hudgins $25. My buddy, Paul Erskine $11.14. David would find $3 Jeremy gerdts $5 And that's our group for today.
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gladly give you an invite for that. And of course get one of those fantastic modern apps at new podcast apps.com Now with HTTPS new podcast apps, but what about new podcasts? I don't run that. I don't know who who set that up. Let me see you. Ah, Todd apps.com. works. It is HTTPS compliant. Yes. So you can hit it with you can securely hit new podcast as from any direction And tell your friends about it, please. I get oh, there's curio caster. Okay. Boo snaps Oh, Fatone record 403 SATs I guess?
I don't want to wonder why that is I wonder if it's just not coming through on my node? That's possible. Maybe? Who knows? Ah, Oscar. Are you still awake? Yeah, still here. Okay, good. Really appreciate you coming, especially staying up late and then coming through the coming to the board meeting with us today. Is there anything else we can do for you? Is there any support you need? You know, can we send you some hookers and blow? I mean, you just tell us what, you
know, I think all good. I think my only one request to everyone listening would be you know, now that we've got the on ramp with Apple Pay, and with Google Pay, you know, now's a good time to go and grab one of your friends or family members or colleagues, and just show them you know, podcasting 2.0 You know, it's much easier than it was a couple of weeks ago to get started on
fountain. So yeah, go and grab a friend. Grab a family member or co worker or something and just, you know, onboard them. Take Take your mom out to lunch a long lunch, and and show her how to use sound and get her on board. Yeah, exactly. Alright, Dave. Yeah. What can I do for you, brother? I've been doing the help desk because that's another week of help. Don't have it? Yes. You have. And it's been it's been fantastic. It keeps the wolves at bay. And then it gives me it gives me time to
take care of their problems. Never heard back from that from that takedown guy? No, you asked him to explain himself and he did not know I just said could you please tell me what your company name is? And just you know, show me that you are indeed you represent Fox News. And curious why you didn't do a the process that is published of a DMCA takedown. I wonder if he ever actually sin. I wonder if he ever actually hit Martin because he was referencing pod a pod friend URL? Yeah,
he was telling us to remove this account. Okay. Yeah. All right. Well, have you gotten any take? Have you gotten any takedown stuff? Oscar? Do you get pestered with those? No, no haven't received any? No, you're living the dream brother. How do I get signed up for whatever you're doing? All right, gentlemen, perfectly under the wire one hour 57 minutes. This has been a very very invigorating board meeting
Oscar congratulations on all this success. And you know I will be back next week with with more to discuss what what are we been missing? There's a lot of stuff I know we're missing. DAVE What are we not what are we not hit on today? So I can write it down? Oh, I mean, like, I mean, I'll have to scan my notes and send it to you. I mean, every week we only make it halfway through my page. Which is on the long list on the long list. All right, everybody in the chat. Thank you
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