Episode 114: Protoflexible

Oh, podcasting 2.0 for December 23 2022, episode 114 Proto flexible. Oh, hello, everybody once again, it is time to unwrap the real gift on your tree for Christmas. It's your board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 everything happening in this past weekend podcast index.org, the namespace pod being I mean, there's too much to mention because we are the news when it comes to podcasting. Of course everything happening at podcast

index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, where the wind chill was at minus three degrees Fahrenheit. Say hello to my friend on the other end. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones. Oh is surviving the Siberian Express. Yeah, so it's colder now where you are I think I think that the storm moves a little bit away from us and towards you. Think let me let me investigate man. Wait, man, I think no, I may have been a mid 18. Oh, I think

we have. Let me see what I have right now. Do I have 21 degrees? Let me say no. It's balmy, balmy 21 in downtown Fredericksburg everywhere. Yeah, it was 10 When I woke up this morning 10 degrees. I know it was crazy. Very very, very, very cool. And of course our central RH back is not working properly. Oh, of course. I mean, this You deserve this is the Tijuana Tempest the Texas to Texas Yeah, y'all originate all this now. I was needing aurka I need an ERCOT update. How's the grid,

the grid is holding a fight last night. We had four I'll have to call them glitches because they were really like out and then it was I mean, the the generators didn't kick in until 30 seconds for this very reason. Because, you know, it may come back on within 30 seconds. So you went out, come back on and of course my everything's going down. Memories, everything needs to be reset. Especially the Umbral nodes there one is really good and comes back and everything's great and the other one which

runs on the surface laptop is not so great. What are the power outage even though is the surface well always but it's a boon to and the surface because it decided that when the power goes off, it's on battery to save battery it should switch off Wi Fi now Whoever heard of that, you know because because if there's anything in a computer that uses so tons of energy it's got to be Wi Fi I mean that thing or that thing it'll make toast for you it's so much power so I'm

like what is this I finally figured that out this morning after the note had been off like has happened again I guess to to this morning something went off but never long enough to to actually kick in the generator which selfishly I kind of want to see happen if you don't mind you've got your it's like you get your you got your bunker and you need to use the you need to use nothing Yeah, I got a bunker and no atomic fallout in this isn't bad can have this

debit there's real trauma in Texas from what happened last year I mean, but but people are scared what was about it was two years ago two years ago two years ago well I had trauma that's why when we moved here right away I'm like okay, I'm not going through that again. And and we got we got as I was talking to Borik about he said no this is this is how it's supposed to work you get the generator and then your power never fails ever again.

This big middle finger from the universe. But what I did I sent you a picture did you get this signal? Oh, is it woof? Is that the ice on the outside of your window? That is on the inside? It looks like you live in a in the dungeon of a church is that possible? Yeah. Our house was built in 1892 So you can imagine the level of insulation that's in this house Oh my goodness. Can I put that in the show notes that's hilarious.

Well so that the the we have we have a propane or natural gas heater in in our living room area and the something about you know I'm no I'm no chemist here but something about the combustion of natural gas produces as a byproduct to moisture like water vapor. Sure it's humidity and so it parks this thing pumps out humidity which is actually kind of nice because you know forced air gas furnaces are notoriously dry the

air out Yes, yes indeed even Santas prompt. So this thing is it's humidifying the air as we as it warms us, but the side effect is it condensates on the window on our single pane windows dos Indane raises hey could you please Could somebody please boost for Dave's windows we need to get him double pane at least this is this is bad with that So that gas or that juice in there, the argon or whatever it is, oh, goodness, well, we've got lots of people pre boosting.

Very happy to hear those coming in. Hello, everybody. Welcome to the board meeting, the Board meeting where we talk about everything boring board board boarded, where we bore you. Here's what I've been noticing end of year. And next, next Friday, we have the final board meeting for the end of the year. Right. And it was James joining us for that. He is he will he will be joining us. Good. cuz I'll get him ready. We'll Yes, he will. And that's a

good thing. Another thing is, and that's, that's, that's the thing. That's a good thing. Well, the reason why I'm interested is I have noticed at this end of year, which is very odd, on some top top name podcast that I happen to listen to. Victor Davis Hanson, which is actually Tina, listen to that. So I listened through by by approximation by being around her Megyn Kelly, which I do listen to from time to time. And pivot, my hate Listen, all three of them. What a trifecta right?

Now pivot without a doubt is a very popular podcast. There's no denying that and Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway they've been promoting the their show and lots of people talk about it. Look, I listened to it, I hate listen to it, but listen to it. They were taking ad breaks that were empty, all three of these shows. They would literally go away. We'll be right back after these ads. And you hear blue, blue, blue, blue, and then blue, blue, blue, blue, then they come back. And then the show

continued. They are not there's no nothing to fill the inventory on three arguably two top shows near the end of the year. What is going on? On the on the mastodons. Eve EVO piped in with the thing that typically I typically hear this is almost always the response when when this is brought up that there was empty ad slots. That that, you know, you it's probably you because the ad targeting programmatic engine is targeting whoever you are, by

whatever means they target you. And they ran in in you have run out of impressions. So like, you know, they've already they've determined by some way that they've already targeted you X number of times and now you're not gonna get any more ads. I don't believe I find that very hard to believe that Unpivot are read by the hosts so they are inserted later. It's dynamically inserted. But But

Kara does and these are top these are top name sponsors. I mean, it's not automotive quite yet but it's recognizable brands and they both read them. And they're I don't I find that very hard to believe in. I found it very hard to believe too, until I read the variety interview with Spotify exec Dawn Ostroff have heard this name. And she is she comes from Hollywood. What is she? What is her? What is her title again? Spotify is Chief Content and advertising business officer.

Can I be that can it be that you are you are right now the the completely in charge of our content and business advertising. Congratulations. You can put that on your card. Dan Benjamin texted me this morning and said hey, your mark your art like logo stuff in this GitHub. This sucks. You know what? I was like? He's like, you don't have transparent black backgrounds on your there's no press kit. I was like Dan press kid. You've discovered that the widely known secret

that we're terrible at marketing or any of this. This is not news. But up stepping up. Dan Craig, get a press kit together for us, please. Yeah, yeah. So until I got to this part. In the in this interview, this is where it all came together. For me. Still, Spotify so far hasn't seen a financial payback on the podcast play. Oh, in 2021. The company's podcast business generated nearly 200 million euros in revenue up 300% year over year.

But unfortunately, the CFO Paul Vogel said the at the investor day presentation in June that the podcast segment had a negative gross margin of 57 to minus 57%. losses. Losses weight loss is projected to be even higher in 2022. Now Spotify believes that Podcasts can achieve potential gross margins of 40 to 50% within the next five years, which is 15% higher than their gross market margin target for for music, and here it is. Ostroff without commenting on specific podcast

financials, which they just don't do. It's so embarrassing, apparently. Obviously, quote, obviously podcasting for us is still a new business. It's still an investment business. What is a billion dollar business? How can it still be an investment business unless someone's full of shit? Let's continue and looking to bulk up its ad revenue. Spotify continues to pitch Madison Avenue on the unique attributes of its listening platform, including its streaming ad insertion si as

AI technology. When Spotify first entered podcasting, marketers had not embraced it as a general advertising medium. Is that true? I thought we already had at least half a billion. The company released Ostroff said the company recently commissioned a study from neuro marketing firm neuro insight for what Spotify said is the largest audio study of its kind, according to their new insights sounds like a CA. VC

MK ultra thin. In Q tel sponsored neuro insight study which tracks you which track the brain activity of users to measure engagement it's so bad at Spotify with advertising they have to resort to some bullshit company which tracks brain activity. No, no no no. It's how brain waves how many people heard the ad that's how advertising works. We know we have to we know we can't downloads are not in a good metric. No, we need brain waves alpha waves in the brain.

Like that's that's the next thing you plug into USB C to your dad's John's. German to Hillman. Oh, John Spurlock get ready. We're expanding. Oh, p3 with brainwave activity. Get on Yeah, you're not going to be driving it'd be self driving cars, you just stick the Hillman on and you get targeted ads.

Meanwhile, Ostroff sees a quote huge opportunity to increase engagement with podcast through through what could the solution be it's always the same it's always the same I went through the same thing when when podcast when advertising was not working at pod show because it doesn't work. What What was the

solution? Video versions of the shows video yes, yes. Alex Cooper, of course have called her daddy wants to do more video Barstool Sports more videos guests, including Hailey Bieber and Julia Fox recording Oh, Stauffer shows with video have delivered twice the audience compared to those that are audio only. I'm sorry. This article tells me that that advertising in podcasting is no market. And I learned and I'd like anyone to step forward and give me some real numbers. What give me some

real numbers, not the Spotify saying sorry. Yeah, we did 200 million euro. But you know, unfortunately, we lost. We lost 350 basically. So where is it? Where's this billion dollars? I'm just I'm just gonna keep hammering on this until someone comes clean. And that's why I can't wait for James next week.

That dance answer for your industry. This is The Billion Dollar like if you look at the Magellan thing that comes out every month which month which I do so that you don't have to look at this crap in it every I never can add up more than about 25 million in ad spend ad spending Exactly. Across the top and once you get below that top level, I mean it drops off like a rock so the number 25 advertisers probably I mean that you're that's low numbers.

So meanwhile, podcast bowel movement announced their first round of speakers for podcast bowel movement, evolution this podcast belma did I say that? I'm sorry, that must have been something subliminal. The hero is neuro and intelligence or whatever the way All right, what was it we have to find a logical in Euro insights? Let me just see. Is it your neurological and now I have to find it when I was in sippy Incipio insipid dose of neuro

insight. Yes. Neuro Insight's. Yes, that's a potential title. Neuro has because we, because we all know how trustworthy fMRI is. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So meanwhile, at the Podcast Movement, evolution speakers have been announced. Let's see. Amy Wilson. And Margaret April's is that her full name Amy Wilson Margaret April's of adolescent media presents sell ads. Okay, so there's an ad person letter named Angie Griffith. Let's see. Make a podcast that sells Okay.

Cameron Hendrix and John go forth a Magellan AI present podcast advertising. Danielle does designare Corbett how to stand out to potential sponsors and secure more lucrative brand deals Dierdre chin of capture the three tactics high income podcasters attribute to their shows how you can use them to how you can make more money with ads. I mean, seriously, when when we just give it up people, it's all ads. And I just I'm just not seeing it is exactly what you said. It's all pretty people selling

things. And then there's like this underbelly of just regular old podcast hosting companies, meeting people and selling podcast subscriptions. And and so what was interesting I don't know if I don't know if you saw this but we were or value for value was mentioned in a Bitcoin magazine article. I have a copy of Yes, right here. Oh, you have the actual Bitcoin magazine? No, no, I have a printed out Copy, print things.

And this was lightning. paywalls versus value for value asks, where lightning powered micro 10 transaction paywall beats a value for value Bitcoin asked a nuanced breakdown. Now nowhere in the article did I see where lightning powered micro transaction paywall actually beat value for value because I don't think it exists. Looking for the print where was the exhibit a I didn't see that anywhere in here. But but the the author who is will shul cop show cop makes a

good point. Let me see what is he doesn't say what he does. It's a guest post anyway. So we'll he says, hey, you know what, the thing that that doesn't work for everybody with value for value is the ask, acknowledge, repeat, which is exactly what you need. You need an ask now. He's, uh, he said, I'm an author, I want people to pay for each page. And I'm thinking, you know, if he says, there's no you can ask for, you can ask for a donation if someone's reading page by page,

but how you can't acknowledge them. This is static content, etc, etc, etc. And I just wanted to point out, the fallacy of this article, is the author thinking that the apps you use today for reading a book are appropriate for value for value, they're not an excellent example of value for value was an acknowledgement that does not require a new episode, or a new book or a new magazine to be created, is a leaderboard, or

what's very effective is crowdfunding. What is great about crowdfunding, you get to put a comment in Hey, everybody, I love you. Here's my $100. That is the same. And then people can comment, hey, that's a great donation, leaderboards, comments, Tally coin, enables that these are all things that can work in the Ask acknowledged repeat model. And all I know is I just looked at our value for value. And maybe it's because it's year end, but I see 555,555 sets from Dred Scott. Twice. I

say another 333,333 from Dred Scott all in the last hour. I see one and a half million SATs from Arrow statica. I see 777,000. I mean, it's it's insane. The amount of SATs we're getting for an ask and recognize and a repeat and acknowledgement and repeat. So I don't know. I don't know what everyone's doing. And I appreciate that the that people are at least thinking about value for value. But man, they really are light

on going unreal. I mean, I think there's so many preconceived notions, then people just haven't really tried it properly. As it I just have a fundamental disagreement that there's a there's a difference between what what we conceive of a paywall, and like, and maybe there's maybe that's not the right way to describe it. What I'm trying to get at is, I have

a recent experience with with a subscription. I don't love I've subscribed to the Peter Atea podcast and the reason so this he he does it very well and it's, it's basically it's is most of the way there to vie for V with but it's missing one is missing two critical pieces, but it's It's most it's most of the way there it's V four v inspired. V four v adjacent. is V four v adjacent. Yes. So, that didn't mean all of his main

episodes are free. With, with some, not ads, it's just more like a bunch of asking for for you to subscribe so all that stuff's gone in the end. But then there's these other episodes that you get in the feed, where it's like, it's like an Ask me anything, it's like an AMA, it's like a, I think it's like a every two weeks or something like that. The AMA is you don't get unless you subscribe. And but they but they still drop the A, they dropped the first like five minutes of

the AMA just give you a little preview into the feed. And so you're getting you get a full understanding, you know, by the time that you hit the subscribe button, you know what you're going to get once you get behind the paywall. I don't. So what I'm trying to say is it's it's, it's V for V adjacent, because you're getting the content, you're getting a full experience of what that content is going to be. It's just not, although it hasn't gone the extra step to say, here is all of it and you

can give me whatever you want. Because he's still he's limiting himself to like 19 bucks a month or whatever. But the spirit of what is is there is the only way this works. The end, that's what's missing, I think in a lot of the these sort of constructs

is like okay, V for V versus pay wall. It's like the idea that you when you say that the idea that you conjure up in your head is okay, here's the here's the for V on one side where all the content is free, there's no restrictions, there's no ads, and then you just give me a donation. And then at verses, you can't even read it or see it or hear it or anything until after the fact you've already paid for it. And I don't think

like that. And I think that's a sort of a false, like a phony mental model, because, well, I think what we're seeing is the subscription model paywall model is moving more towards V for V than PE, maybe people realize because that hard limit of you can't even you cannot even sniff my content until you pay me up front. That that's a tough one. That's a hard sell.

Well, he's the author. He's and by the way, I want to make sure that he said very clearly my aim is not to attack anyone personally, I'm using quotes, but my intent is to respectfully challenge ideas. So we're not attacking him either. But what he says is as a content creator, in my case, a writer, this problem with the internet hits home. And he's talking about GGS article, the freedom of value where he says, the problem with the internet is that information wants to be free. And this is of

course, completely true. If you write something dynamite, it will be copied and stolen. I don't steal content, I pay for content as much as I can. But if I go to Bloomberg, and I'll see your story, and it's and Bloomberg is super paywalled. For me, I will search with the title of that story and I will find an outfit that is apparently licensed the Bloomberg article so I can read it there and I'll read it for whatever basically from nothing but I'm not stealing it. Right

but information wants to be free. If it's really good. It'll get copied and passed around see torrents see you know, whatever you look at search for movies on podcasts index, if we haven't started, we haven't cleaned it up today you can find so as a content creator, He says in my case, a writer the problem with the internet hits home, it's a lot of work to write good content subjective, subjective, and I don't work for free. I

look to be compensated for my proof of work. As the Joker says if you're good at something, never do it for free. So whoever said any whoever said V for V was worrying we don't work for free give it this is so Exactly. He feels that if he is not charging something for it, it is free. And what we say is no. Ask people what it's really worth to them. People who find it worthless are not going to pay anyway. They're not they're not

going to pay for it. The people who freeload, they're freeloaders and all you can do is keep asking and shaming them which is interestingly in our business, it will add value for value where I started with with no agenda. The people who were paying for it or found value in it and return value started calling out the people themselves. I did not make up the douchebag thing. This is this is something that that people themselves made up about other people who they felt were

not pulling their weight on on the Wii for Wii donations. So As many ways that that happened, but the 4% that do donate of every single project, I would have to say, you probably wouldn't get 4% Buying your great content, either of all the people who come across it, it may even be less may even be 1%. And then that 1% is funneled into one price, I believe that you will always make less doing it that way.

That that's that's the way that. So that's the erroneous belief that if you put a price on something, it keeps people, it keeps people from getting it for free. Or if you put, if you put a price on it, it keeps it makes it to where everybody has to pay. But all you're doing is you're just low, you're your art, you're artificially limiting, who can see your

content to people who would have never paid you anyway. Because like, if somebody passes by, if, if you put it in physical goods terms, if you set up a booth, and you have you have t shirts, and you mark them at $15 a shirt, you're gonna have a certain percentage of people that buy it, if you put it put, if you move it up to 25, you're gonna have a smaller percentage, or some other different percentage that buys it as the price if the price does not get you. Like, it's it's a, it's no,

it's not a different mechanism. If I listen to your stuff, and and then pay you after the fact, pay for it before the fact you didn't get a bigger or larger audience because of that. You just got a different amount of money because of that, right? whatever that happens to be. That's, that's in the realm of psychology of market psychology, I don't know, and neither neither do they. If you put I mean, if if, if I put five bucks on it, you may just say, Well, I've just dropped my

listenership by 78%. But you still haven't increased the amount of people who would have paid you anyway? Correct. You're not really not improving anything is what I'm trying to say. Correct. And when I reading through this article, they talk about the empty X problem, which is the mental transaction paradox. The most? Well, it's like, do so as like, Okay, I'm being asked to pay for this. How much is it? Is it worth it for me? Do I want to

pay for this? The friction, it's friction. Exactly. And the article says, Well, this, you have this friction either way. It's just you're you're you're paying it at a different point. And I say no, I say no, it's not. It's just it's entirely different. You're saying what? Hey, was that did you like it? Yeah. Okay, what was it worth to you? Do you want more? It's that simple. As we move the boot up, the boost button is right there in the app?

Well, of course, you could have and you know, what we're about, we're about to get a real world challenge, as I believe now, I've seen it happen on GitHub. It looks like Al Albie is setting up LSAT, which is something that you and I looked at three years ago to do just this. And to add a second payment option for well, it will be for podcasts, I believe, and

Brees is implementing this. And I think it'd be very interesting to see if this is going to be for like recurring subscriptions or something. Do you want to listen to his podcast? You have to pay? Yeah, pay pay? Listen. Yeah, well, that's gonna be in. If that's going to be an A B test. We'll see. We'll see. We will see whether or not podcasts that put themselves behind a pay for play versus play for pay.

We'll see what the results are. And I don't think though, I think I think for big shows, if you if you get to a certain if you get to a certain level, and I'm not going to I'm not going to name what criteria that would be like like whether it's audience size or audience, you know, commitment or, or niche level or something like that. There's some level that you get to where you could be considered a maybe a quote unquote, big

podcast. You have a lot of momentum there. At that level. I don't know that there's going to be a whole lot of difference between the number of people willing to pay, but there will be in my I predict there will be a lot of difference in how much money the Creator makes. The V for V will result in much more, the high end Ceiling is much higher. Because you're not let you're on artificially limiting. I could not pay Peter Atea more money he just said $19. Right.

Exactly. That's it go away with your money. Yeah. Well, we'll see. Well, it all remains to be seen. But when I see dystopia, for instance, you know, I wanted to send some musician somewhere where they could get set up value for value. I couldn't I couldn't with a with a with a clear conscience and then to dystopia, because when you hit dystopia, they're all about web monetization and what is their other? What is the other thing?

I thought they had an ABI integration, but they may want this but when you go to their website here we go. Music podcasts, video, audio books, merch designed for dreamers powered by your audience. Get started today. Okay, so you go in one platform, and then it shows you all the things you get the bandwidth, and it doesn't really tell me how I'm going to make money. Let's see. So it already it's like, I don't really understand it. For creatives, here we go.

podcasters. No, I want music. Sorry. podcasters. We know. So already, I'm kind of lost here. music artists, here we go. Perfect for artists, musicians. Pay per play right there. We will pay two pennies for every true play. No need to calculate how many streams or album plays we pay when it's played? Period? No, I'm done. Yeah, that. Okay, so that was an episode about this, because I

discussed it with these guys as they were building it. That that was their original model that was meant to be sort of like the Spotify, you know, David versus Goliath model. And their idea was, you know, we're actually going to we're actually going to pay you real meaningful money not not pennies out, you know, out the pipe six months from now. And so that was the original model they've been layered on to my knowledge, I'm almost 100% Sure this is correct. They've layered on some

Alby integration. Now, for V V for V. That's the best recent that's been within the last couple of months. So I think what I think what you're seeing may just be, I don't think you're seeing the full scope of what oh, it's completely possible. But until it's there, I can't I can't send an artist over here and say, Oh, value for value over here. There's, there's no, there's no writing about it. So that's just when they're ready for it. They'll be brisket impressed.

They need a press kit and some transparent logos. I mean, come on, together over there. I did. Someone did reach out to me that I spoke to a long time ago. And it was the Oh goodness, what was it called, I think was the Dutch outfit. And I met him at I met this guy at I want to say South by Southwest, maybe 10 or 11 years ago. And how does it get his PhD? It's called What was this thing called? It's some Free Music Archive. That's it.

The Free Music Archive and in that brings a band in the 10 years since since we met this thing has really grown up this this Free Music Archive. And I was connected to him by Dave from automatic. Oh, okay, who you know, we're still on their radar. Apparently. Music archive.org is the name of this. Yeah. And so they have Creative Commons licenses. And I haven't looked at it too much what they're doing these days, but it makes total sense. This could be this could be a great match.

This is a great this this was pretty cool. I should put it in the show notes actually. Free Muse will archive that leads that leads to a discussion I know we want to have which is about the 100% Retro chat stream. Yes. This was

a this was a fun. This is a fun project. And it was I mean it's a little cheese, you know, just kind of but it was nice to take a break from sort of from pod ping the lower end work and do something easy PHP and just all you know simple but you know so what we have it's it's opened it up it's not a beautiful script or anything but it's just you know, it's it's a want let's explain what this is. So we had so okay, there's a guy I know in Neville in Belgium actually, I got in touch with

him a year ago. So a mutual friend I know this guy because he's actually a booker of artists across the Benelux. So he's, he's my age, you know and he's been around for a long time he's booked all the basically anything that is a 6070s or 80s or even 90s band he will book at festivals and do stuff and DJs and whatever so that yeah, he's a he's a promoter, basically a concert promoter Booker for clubs and big venues. And he's

been a looks Benelux? Yes. Well in Belgium, Netherlands Luxembourg, Ben. Okay, like that Texarkana. But yes, yeah, the tri state area trashy? Yeah, it's like New York, New Jersey, Connecticut. Idea, only much smaller. You know, like half half the amount of people. So he was putting together a radio station online. And at first it was called, was it called something? It was like, tomorrow land or something like it? Well, that's great. No, that's dumb.

And Disney World, and I can't remember how it came up. And I don't make any money with this guy. I'm not a paid advisor. I like him. I think it's interesting project. And I don't want any work. I want to not have to talk to him if I don't feel like it is the easiest way and not working for you. But if I can find something that will work for both of us, I'll set it up. So he's streaming this thing. He's got a full on schedule. He's got people doing it. I don't think they're live. One or two may

actually be live like some some of the morning shows. But a lot of it is tracked. And it's you know, it rolls out automatically like most of the radio stations you listen to, but it does have a very specific music mix. And he has talent all across the world to hit different time zones. And he has a whole concept of how that works and listening to it. At my age. I enjoy it. And we were listening to what we were talking about Mott the Hoople, all the young dudes before we started the

show. So stuff like that, then, and somehow we came up with the name 100%. Retro. And I say, well, let's put they they pay their ASCAP, BMI, BMI stem, right, all of that stuff, they pay for it. So it's all legit. And I said, Well, why don't we put this stuff into, into value for value with with the lit tag, and this was just when lit was starting to come together. And so I set it up. And then, you know, when I showed him how I was listening, and he saw in his Albea wallet, SATs come in, and

I was like, What is this? I said, Yeah. And he said, Wait a minute, so I can show this to my investors and say, you know, we have money coming in already. So yeah, absolutely. Not a lot but

and so he loved it. And then you and I start brainstorming and then you come up with a with a generator that creates the feed for them because I basically started created the first feed did it and sovereign feeds that takes their their electronic programming grid there guide as to who's on at what time, and you create a new feed with a new lit tag whenever a new show starts. And you're linking out to the art of the of the air

talent and little blurb and it works. And so I get a notification, you know, maybe seven or eight a day, depending. I'm waiting for the weekend because there's there's actually one show that I really want to hear but I don't know when it starts it's been leibrandt He's a friend of mine. He does massive DJ mixes really really good stuff. Oh, that guy? Yes. I saw his name in the list. Yeah, so I'm excited for his trip. I think it's Saturdays so he'll

pop up and then I'll listen to it. And as we're looking at this like Okay, now we really got something now and what he wants to do you know, and we'll talk after after the holidays, is he wants his his air talent to be soliciting booster grams. He wants some reading booster grams. He wants the chat room, all the stuff that we've talked about. And you basically took a couple days and set most of it up.

Yeah, yeah, that's like that's, that's exactly right. So this, what I wanted, this is called it the mega cron, because this is like the, you know, cron job on steroids. Some things I learned here. If they do a form of one of these midnight format, format changes I'm going to I'm going to go and beat somebody with a hammer. This this so the what what I wanted for this. Oh, also Yeah, I agree with you. It's some of these I don't think some of these DJs are actually they're

just like, well, like Kim Wilde. She just does. She tracks it in the studio. Someone else puts it all together for I don't think she's sitting there DJing live for sure. Because it'll come on and be like, you know, they'll play of track and they'll be like, big Steve Kelly on 100% retro and then we'll play another track and and then we'll do that for an hour and I never actually hear back Steve Kelly saying

anything? Oh, really? Okay, yeah, well, maybe Steve Kelly wasn't there for this particular show that does happen, or he didn't get his check. I mean, maybe he's using the bathroom, I think we really want. And they're not, they're not sending that metadata where their feed yet, but I think that's what you want you want to do it from that we get the metadata, the metadata changes, you want to be able to say, Okay, this, this metadata is this portion changes, I need to create a new feed and a new

tag with this. So that they, so they exhorts not on a schedule that could change and would mean that we'd have to change. What the script is doing is it's take it we, it's got a big scare, it's got a big schedule, which is essentially a an associative array. In the the array, the top level index of the array is the day. So it's numbered, like day of week, like 1234567, in cron, job numbering. And then the second level index of the array

is the hour that the show starts. And then the in then within that index, there is a set of properties for that script, then title, the show the description, who the DJ is their bio, their image, blah, blah, blah, how and how long and the duration, how long it lasts. This is pretty, pretty straightforward. The longest amount of time was just taking in building that huge schedule array instead, but in the reason

I did it that way. Like, because I think it's instructive because this was meant to to open like, say this open, there's a repo in the GitHub now, I think it's just called 100. Retro. What I want is something very simple and easy to read for pretty much any programmer to say, okay, here is how I can take, as long as I have something that looks like this, like a schedule that they will recognize the format of, then I can plug that into a

script that looks like this. And output, this feed that is going to be podcasting 2.0 compatible, right, something that can be replicated somewhere else. Yes, it's going to have a lit it's going to have all the live item tags. It it takes the current at that you run into the top of every hour, it looks and sees, okay, what is the currently playing show, and throws in a live item for that

with lifestyle with status equals alive. And then it just runs through the next five shows in the in the schedule index and adds those as pending, with start and end times. That's, that's all it does. It just runs once in once an hour. And if there if there is no show that hour, then it just doesn't do anything. So then it builds the coffee. It builds the feed, pushes it up to object storage, our feeds dot podcast, index.org

bucket, and then sends out of pod ping. Beautiful. So that it's got oh gosh, a bunch of a bunch of 2.0 tags us a medium live item. Location, person. Gu ID. It's got a march I listed them all out. So this you could take in you could say because of the Locate like the location tag goes in there, and you in the location for since it's a global radio station location tag, there's one lady in South Africa, I think there's someone

there's other whole city. Yeah. And then you there's a guy in Australia like you could, you could slice and dice this all kinds of ways. If you're a podcast app, you can you could say, okay, if I'm, if I'm a podcast app that wants to have like, really good, robust support for radio streams, then I could say, that's why I haven't seen it. Okay. But,

you know, it would be silly to say that. It'd be silly to say that radio stations haven't been doing podcasting because they they have, except they haven't been able to be full participants because of they've got all these licensing issues. You can't create correct downloadable episode of a bunch of songs. Correct. So this is a way to get it to get radio, the radio industry to be a first class citizen within podcasting by bringing the live item to them, this is something they can

use. They can now they can now be in a podcast app as a as a legitimate thing. Because they have the thing that they need now, right. And it's also musics, you know, it can be music centric, it emerges music into podcasting in a natural way, which is the radio way? I guess I'm I'm fond of things like this when you say, okay, hey radio is time to get on board with podcasting, like in a legit way. And here's how you

can do it. I'm really fond of these things like where you build a protocol or technology that allows people to come into podcasting or whatever this this this space that you're working in, without having to like do a total upheaval of everything they know, right? Like, you're lowering the bar, the barrier to entry. It's interesting, you bring that up because they the 100%, retro, had someone working on an app, and I think they have an app.

I'm not sure where it's available. But know, what basically comes back to me is so we spend all this time and effort on an app. And you're telling me that we automatically are now available in all apps already? Yes, yeah. Yes.

Correct. That is pretty much it, right. And so unless you want to stay in radio, like this is our you know, where you want to keep everybody and lock them in, which I don't think is a great future, then, you know, with your own app, so it's only and we even have the Wii, and although not quite sure how it'll work. But comments are the social interact, which, which Alex gates correctly pointed out. So what exactly how exactly

does that work? Because the way it's set up right now, if I make a comment, it's it's a comment to something to a piece of media that doesn't exist. It's just a comment thread from a certain point in time. Is that does that sound right? Yeah. And I see the I definitely see the issue there that you're you're basically commenting on what he called an ephemeral item. Yeah, that just disappears.

Yeah. And then I know, I get it, I totally get that. It's more like just a, it's an x, it's a way to show what's possible, I really just did that as more of a tech demo of here's, because I don't know what the future is going to look like when it comes

to this kind of cross pollinates with this other. I don't know if it's a push or more of just an exploration of ideas of Mitch was the last one to mention it. But it's been mentioned before by by Christian Decker and other people in the lightning side is splitting out the messages from the payments. That your so that your booster grounds are going over activity pub or XMPP or

nostril. Reuters. Right. But then, but then the actual payments taking place on line nine running and then you do it's, it's a way to sort of split the data from the payment, which is, which is not a bad idea. It's not a bad idea. As long as it's Yeah, go ahead. Well, well, the there's pros and cons there.

And the the Pro is you have unlimited space. Now, it's not really about Unlimited, unlimited space, it's about the fact that within a booster gram, you don't know how much space you have, at any given time because the onion size changes, right? So you could be working with 1300 Bytes one minute, and then you know, it could be 1100 In the next Yeah, just just because the routing of the payment. Yeah. So it has it has to be short no matter what.

It's certainly not a really efficient way of using the Lightning Network. It's not the only you know, the cons are the constant splitting them in these aren't you can't discount these. And this, this goes back again to lowering the barrier of entry. It's common, now you're adding some complexity. You split. It may not be ideal, but I'm not sure we would even have booster grams yet. If we had set out to do it that way. I completely agree. 100%.

Because if you're saying if you're saying okay, you need an AP, you got to have AP, you got an activity pub over here. And then you're gonna have to have Lightning Lightning payments over here. And now you're gonna have to have a payment, a proof of payment mechanism that goes between the two. Like, I think that that is an aspirational goal and an important one that that needs to happen, but it could not have happened at the beginning. I don't think it would have gone I don't think it would have

I agree and ground. In fact, let's let's remember the Genesis was Sphinx, the Sphinx app. And they they were doing boosts or boosts and did the booster gram come while we were taught that what did they have that already or do we know I think I think was built into their system, they were already using the TLV for just for chat pieces. Right? So you, yeah, you would the TLV carried the short message, I think

you're right in the TLV. In the TLVs. Registry, there is a sphinx registration in there for payment information, like there's a TLV already, so they just switched it. Okay. I mean, like, here's, here's the way that it looks to me is you need more. You need more interested parties pushing the in the same direction, in order to go from the level we're at now to the next level. And that's another reason, you know, I mean,

bringing it back to the radio thing yet again. There are once once we get to a certain level of momentum, you know, maybe radios, maybe radio stations begin to come into this party, I don't know. Once we get to a certain level of momentum, then you can say, okay, at some point when it makes sense, and you have a lot of people that are saying that are saying, we're willing, you know, we want to push us back forward, then we

can say, okay, v2. Now, now we have like all these people willing to get on board and push, push this push a new spec, a new flavor forward. And, to me, that feels like the right thing to do. Because, unfortunately, the Tech Tech doesn't exist in a vacuum. You know, I've said before, you know, half of our half of the stuff I do is not even it has nothing to do with code or anything. It's like, responding to people's emails responding to like helping having a phone call

with a hosting company. It's like evangelism. Yeah. It's 50%. Tech and 50%. Evangelism, and you can't, like if you just projects die when they don't do the evangelism part, when they don't work with people and that kind of stuff. So if we have, it doesn't matter how good the tech is, you have to sort of meet people where they're at. And then I feel like that's the way forward because I want I want to get that part done. But I feel like we need some more. I don't know there's some there's a

missing piece here that we needed. There's not a missing piece. But there's there's missing parties here. Because the lightning people there. They're not interested enough. We're having to do all this crap ourselves. Oh, no, they're not interested in micro payments. They're not at all at all at all. They don't care at all. That's frustrating. They don't actually most lightning people also don't care about value for value is my experience. They really want

transactions fast. Lots of them got big enough numbers that they that it makes sense for them. I don't see any real from that. When you say the lightning folks. I mean, like lightning labs specifically. They don't care. Yeah, they told us, they told us flat out on a phone call one day just just do bigger payments, get bigger payments, if you want it to work. We're like no, not the

way this works, actually. And so of course, when we get a big payment, this is what we learned from Arrow statica, who boosted 2 million SATs on the last show from from fountain fountain only had a 2 million sat channel with us. Which was you know, was 1.8 million was on our side already. So yeah, that's gonna fail. And so we didn't we didn't get it. We couldn't announce it. Luckily, the two people we had in our in our splits got, they

got their their portion, which was great. But there yet there's an interesting reverse of the whole problem where we've been focused on micro payments, just making it all work, very small payments, you know, with the fees and everything to keep that kind of flowing. Someone comes along with a reasonable sized payment and we fall down. And it didn't get to us through any other means either because we got lots of incoming liquidity, but it just didn't get to us. So you know,

what, a two amp amp is going to solve everything. Yeah, and Bolt 12 Bolt. Like I keep seeing Bolt 12 github messages so they're working on it. I don't know if that'll ever happen. I've been doing on the cross app comments from I've been spent some time researching noster da I had this on my on my list last I wanted to pop it to surprise you with it. I've been spending some time on Nastar myself. Okay,

let's let's do it last then let's get let's do it. Let's suppose we get other stuff talking about All right, then let's process comments because it leads into it. Right? Yes, I had I had an experience which I wanted to relay. Yes, please relay. So a lot of things happened since we were last talking about this. And one of the things that came back to me when I'm I'm planning I'm saying giving up. We're publishing social interact tags, which is quote unquote, cross app comments on every show

I do. And what came back to me was, well, you know, what you're using on podcasting. 2.0 is broken you using the slug, it never should have been used, even though I was told specifically to use it. And so that delta is basically holding it wrong. Yes, it's exactly what I felt like, Okay, I'm holding it wrong. I'm sorry. And that wasn't malice on anyone's part. But I understand how these things work, which is why I was I was kind of saying, Hey, I'm just gonna give up. I'll keep

publishing the content. But I don't, I'm not I'm getting tired of asking for someone to implement it. And then it's like, well, it's all kind of there. You know, it's you just can't, you can't log in from an app. And so I let me go try this. And I know that Caitlin is like me, he's putting his social interact, tags him. And so I on pod news. I on pod verse, the pod news, I go to go to comments, I tap on the comment thinking that I shouldn't be, you know, that I maybe I'll have

to log into my instance, once. But no, here's the here's what happens. You go to that particular post, which is the route post, okay, you're in, I'm in the meat. Let me make sure I'm tracking. You're in pod verse. I'm in pod verse. And I click on the post, and it opens that post, I think in a browser in the app. I like it pops, like a

web view. The web G Correct. Okay. Okay. And there, I'm greeted by, if you want to reply to this, you have to copy this URL, go to your own site, search, put it into the search box, then it will pop up, and then you can comment on it. And this seems to be a thing. Whether you're in an app or not, I don't see the problem. What's it what's wrong with this? You don't see what's wrong with this. Every single. Okay, thank

you. It was a very bad experience, you need to queue up that ISO, by the way, because I feel like we're gonna have to use that a lot. I'm ready for do you need it? Now? It's needed. Now. That's not entirely true. That's a good one. It's not entirely true. I'm gonna use this. The. So I think why that is happening to you. And it would

make sense that it would happen on every mobile devices. Because when you when you open up a web view from inside another app, it's sandbox you don't have it doesn't inherit your cookie collection and things like that. You're not logged in correct. Make sense. But when I logged in on the same app, and I did, and I went to my own site, I had to do the same thing. Right row, I think I think you're gonna do Yeah, I think

you're gonna have that's going to be a problem. That's why the cross app comment reply, activity, pub replies need to be baked in to the app itself, and not a WebView. I don't think the the WebView is not going to work is not going to work. It's not good. It's interesting that I'm the only person who actually tried this apparently, I don't think a single person in our group has ever actually tapped on a comment and tried to comment in the app. And that was a huge letdown for me.

This that is not entirely true. This is this is the conundrum of cross app comments, and I feel like cross F comments boils down to one issue. That really ultimately there are there are sub sub issues, but the one made major issue is it's not, it will not gain traction until it becomes visible. Yep. I agree. It's, it's completely hidden. The replies are not showing up. Because I noticed that their replies I

find today I did see my reply. Interestingly, I guess James is using the same route post, I'm not quite sure, because it showed up on the new episode of pod news. And it was the comment I put in two days ago. Regardless, there's two things it's not showing up this is why the booster gram interaction on fountain shows up prominently. So you show that guess what people use it. Now they also have a vibe notice fountain if it's not a value for value enabled podcast, they have

something called comment. I have no idea what that is. I have no idea. I'm sure it doesn't go into the social interact tag. So you know that that thing is very confusing to me. Now, I think we I think we had a good solution or not as not as it's not a full solution, but I think we had a good Wait is to do get more visibility and traction, which is, you know, cross pollinate the two cross F comment technologies together so that they both live in the URL. And I'm gonna go I'm just gonna

go ahead and go into the nostre thing. The did some did some looking this I get it noster makes some sense. I want to tell people what noster is because I'm not so sure people understand. Okay, not noster is a protocol by the same guy or guys that did Ellen URL, I'm pretty sure. And it is supposed to be what is described as a censorship resistant pronouns gene

protocol. Yeah. And the idea here is that you have noster relays, which will relay messages back and forth, you know, essentially gossip them around around the their noster network. And everybody you know, you get a public, you get a private key. And every master message is signed with the private key and can be verified that you know, you are who you

say you are, by public key authentication. And this way, it's supposed to be censorship resistant because as opposed to something like Mastodon where you have different we have we have instances that you're you are a my my account on podcast index dot social is linked intimately to podcasts index dot social. So there's somebody blocks our instance I am blocked as a as a result than being sort of like, in the nostril Ward, you would each each entity is is stands on its own. It stands on

its own. It's not, it's censorship resistant in that way. And so the censorship resistant part, I didn't get that marketing, I don't care. I see it as something this is not us. So, of course, what's going to happen? Because this is how it's been launched this protocol, everyone's going to see it as a censorship resistant Twitter, that is already the marketing and that is just completely incorrect. What I like seeing is

Chester, which is a chess, it's a chess app. And you and you literally play chess against other people through noster. Because Okay, noster is the way I see it, of course, like with everything, oh, yeah, it's censorship, resistant, decentralized, but you need all these relays, okay. They're really easy to run to the relay thing is like, it's to me, it's like it's little it's its own little mini activity, pub, and

you can run your own. And that's where you'll have censorship or not, in fact, I would probably want to make sure that if I got a whole bunch of porn stuff that it doesn't spam, if I have, if I'm looking at a firehose, to me. noster is a protocol that, I mean, it would be more interesting to see pod ping rot. And I didn't want to bring that up, because no one wants to deal

with POD ping for the next month. But it would be more interesting to see pod ping being published on it and being ingested than any other common thing. Does that make reading mama? You're reading my mind. Okay. And so the NASPO to me, noster is it's fine, what it for what it wants to be. And I don't necessarily have a problem with it. Except there's a couple of the I don't see how it's any different than, I don't see how it's going to be any different

than Tor. Because what you have is these relays, essentially our exit nodes. And then, like, if you just all of a sudden start spewing out a bunch of a bunch of illegal materials through one of these relays. Like, How's that different than just getting the tour, you're gonna get, you're getting all sudden, you're gonna get really starting to get blocked, you're gonna have a lot you know, in every time if you if you if you sell

this as censorship resistant, it's a huge mistake. It's going to hit every all the bad guys are going to go there and they're going to start doing a bunch of crap that you that what's already happening. I mean, someone literally sure spammed the entire firehose of a whole bunch of relays with Asian porn. And so relay started filtering that out. This is exactly what this so it's all the same. What I like about it, is you don't

actually need to have an instance. So instead of you having to sign up somewhere, and I believe you can even just use your Albie wallet or your your lightning address. You could say hey, This is um, generally I'm using this lightning node ID as my identity. And what they have done or what I'm seeing is that, and I think it's mainly Jack Dorsey who was all over this thing. I mean, I logged over noster Oh, I logged on right away. I'm getting Hey, Adam. I'm getting you know, hang 10 Emojis

from from Dorsey? Because he has invested in an app I think that uses noster. Of course, yeah. Well, you know what, that's okay. If he wants to criticism, no, no, in fact, I think that's great, because it probably will never come back to him in any in any fashion or not for a long time, if it's an investment. But I kind of like that idea that that you don't and you can use one identity for for anything, essentially, within within the nostril world. And I mean, I see it as a, it seems like a very

interesting protocol to look at for things. Forget cross app comments for a second because right now, no one's demanding it. No one's sending me emails. I'm not getting any FedEx here. Say, Oh, if only I could have comments. None of that. Yeah, so Spencer said that Dorsey put he gave 14 Bitcoin to fiat just nostril foundation. Okay, well, good. And yeah, it basically subsidizes censorship resistant, except when you post porn, we can easily sit straight without much resistance.

Right. But But yeah, but for me, it's much more interesting, because I think, look, we're right now podcasts index the node that functions as a very important piece in in, in providing liquidity from left to right all over the place. In fact, more than more than most people know when you when you look at what's really running on stuff that we're that we're providing. So it would be very logical for us to have a relay and us and a network of trusted relays, you know, you don't have

to be part of one huge network. As long as we do what we've done so far, it's all kind of the same thing. And I feel that, to me, personally, noster has a place in podcasting 2.0, where I'm not quite sure yet. But But, but I think it has a place in pod pain. Yes, it does. Well, that's what I'm saying. I think it has a real good place with POD ping. I just didn't really want to bring it

up. Because if I say pod Fang and you know, it should be a nostalgia, we can complain a row like not everyone's gonna hate me. No, no, here's, here's the. So this is why I said while ago, you read my mind, because the here's here's, I don't flee, I don't see how you break out of this problem. Every one of these technologies is going, whether it's Tor, or Noster, or activity pub, or IPFS, or Lappi, to P blockchains. They're all going to have ultimately this problem, which is, how do you keep out

the truly terrible stuff? Because Because as soon as that stuff begins to come in, and it will, they're all it just makes everything bad. I mean, they it attracts heat that nobody wants. And that's, that's just the reality of the world that we live in. Agree. And so to me, what is the only way to truly be redundant in a way where you can say we're not putting all of our eggs in one basket. And this is what all of the prod pink 2.0 work was built on this idea that we are going to support multiple

protocols. So that's the truth. That's the only way that you solve this problem is you. You don't you don't say okay, we're going to, okay, we're gonna solve this. We're not going to do hive, we're gonna do noster No, no, no, we're gonna say, you say no, we're gonna do, we're gonna do hive, we're gonna do noster we're going to activity pub, we're gonna do IPFS we're gonna do object storage, we're gonna, we're gonna do we'll have 10 different protocols that are all that are all doing. pod bay.

And you just, if one falls down, you flip over to the other end. To me, that's the only solution for true redundancy. Gotcha. I agree. I would love to see. And I'd need more. We need more analysis probably I certainly have not been all I've been been able to do is just see that it works. I've been able to try, you know, move to different interfaces using just my my private key. You know, I have a real good understanding of what the system is where exactly what you said where the weaknesses

are. I've that said, I've had a really good time because there are people on noster that I know a lot of people and they're finding me I don't know don't know exactly how. But so it probably because it's still relatively small. I would love to see it integrated into into pod ping and perhaps the app side so apps can receive pod pings and make their own decisions at that point. Does that make sense? Yeah, well, yeah. So the it needs to be protocol. agnostic.

Right. And, and flat and protocol flexible. Proto credit. Proto flexible. I like um, this is a new word. protozoan. Flexible? That's a gender. It is. It is proto flexible. Yes. What? What are your pronouns for proto flexible? Nut? noster? hosters. Shuster? hoster. noster? Yes. By the way, I couldn't resist. I had to register noster dot dog. I don't know why it was available. I just thought it was funny. Dog. Dog. I want to be the noster dog. Naughty Dog. It doesn't look great dog name anyway.

noster coming austere. That to me, to me, they all it's just one. It's I'm not enamored with it the way some people are. But it it is. It can just be another thing in the stack. So what you're saying is it should it could be another thing in the it could be another protocol in the social interact stack? Yeah, possibly. Why is why? Why not? Why? Why only possibly? Because I've yet to see somebody actually do it. Do what like do any of it. Like because this? Now, I mean, a lot of times

people show up. And this was not the case here. Somebody mentioned nostre. To me with social interact. And I and they were, they're truly willing to build it. But really, a lot of times, people Oh, with the end of this should be nostre. And then just to never do anything. So like, I mean, right? If someone shows up and builds it then yeah, of course. So I just want to make sure whoever is interested in building this it we're open to that, I would say but jump.

Here's is that uh, no. You went, huh? What did this? I don't know. Did it? I don't know. I sound we're open. We're open to building a new mine, huh? That was involuntary, dense, diverse, sensitive, darling, to what you to all of your noises I so that's not entirely true. Because I had very similar thing. I was like, oh, okay, this is the new matrix. And that turned out to be a total flop as far as I'm concerned. A total mess. How many of these are we had? I'm just I'm so burned out. I

agree. I we should do so. And so because I'm just like, you know, matrix activity pub noster XMPP. It's just like, I mean, this making my head spin. The reason a light lightning comment. So Oscar, to his credit, built a fully fleshed out functional system for lightning comments. He put his money where his mouth is in his not his money. He put his time where his mouth is, is built a thing that actually works. How about this? Can I interrupt you for one second? Yes, yes,

yes. What if Oscar took his lightning comments system and duplicated those comments in noster. So they could at least show up in other places, without having because I've been racking my brain, you know, without having to put a split for every app out there. This might be an interesting way to replicate the light lightning comments to other places, other apps other places you got you essentially get to the same the same place you did

on my sheet here just says bridges is the solution. Yes, Bridge is the solution is the solution. Okay, well, here's how you can go Why don't we go? I should just let you do the show which say the same thing. Why am I why are we wasting our time here? We agree on everything. You send out minutes. Right? We'll just have some chat GPT right up. Right up the meeting the meeting minutes everybody noster bridges adopted. That to me, that's that's your activity.

Whatever the parent protocol is, doesn't doesn't necessarily matter, it can be activity pub, it can be XMPP, it can be noster. It can be whatever lightning comments, whatever. But it just need then it needs to bridge out to the broader ecosystem. So that if you try to if you build noster you need to also bridge it to activity pub. Yeah. Yeah, that's where people are. Yes, I agree. 100% agree.

In the other way or the other way around? If you I mean, if you know that you're a lot of your audience are Bitcoiners. And they're high on noster. Right now we'll activity pub bridge out to noster. I mean, like, I just want to see this. Well, the main the main thing, the point you made earlier, is the main point, lightning comments in Fountain are surfaced right there. Lightning comments in pod verse three swipes over. And I will say if I look now look at the no agenda

episode from yesterday. And I always start the route post with no agenda episode and then the number of comment thread. So there's three or four replies on that. And it's showing up. But you know, it just it shows up and you know, and then you tap on it and says, Leave pod verse for website outside the app. Yes. And then I go. Now this does go to no agenda social.com in the in, and I'm already logged in and authenticated. But that's but I have an account there.

Maybe we made maybe we need to bolster the visibility of things. Yeah. With something. Maybe that's well, and so again, I'll tell you, I'll tell you because I remember everything, the pushback, mainly at the time. I think it was Martin. It's like, well, I don't want to have an

app that sometimes has comments and sometimes doesn't. And that's exactly what fountain did, they created this new category, which is comments, which cost you 10 SATs to post and there's a whole nother section of people who think it's wrong that you charge money to post. And we don't even need to go down that road. Because that's just an opinion. And then there's going to be another whole crowd was like, Well, what if it's on noster? Or activity, but can you delete it? Can you

can you actually get rid of stuff? So you know all that's the conversation I don't want to have anymore? And neither do you. If it's if if we're totally unprepared to proceed in this fashion mentally. If two years from now, we're still talking about cross F comments and visibility. I'm, I am prepared to declare it as a dead idea I declare to get on the last board meeting. Well, I'm not going to read declare it. I'm going to say it

is dead. In the sense it is dead in the sense that it is it will be clear at that point that people do not want comments in their podcasts. I think that's clear already. Honestly, I think it's clear. Okay. i To me, the lightning comments is one thing because it's booster grams, it's always positive. There's no, I've not seen someone boost anything and say this show sucks. Yeah. Or

even even, I haven't even seen anyone do spam. And you know, which will be interesting if you pay to pay to play spam or ads or whatever. And it goes both ways, Dave, there's zero demand from listeners. And there's really very little motivation from app developers. So and I'm okay with that. Maybe people want comments in their social media apps, and they want podcasts in their podcast apps could be totally true. But that's very possible. I still

think there's an interesting place for noster. I'm not quite sure where except I came up with the same thing, pod pig. That would be very interesting to see just, just, yeah, just another member of the pod paying family. I mean, I could see someone build a podcast app based on noster. If you haven't been you haven't, if you have the appropriate bridges. Why not? Oh, I mean, you could have a noster publish your RSS feed? Correct. Like the entire thing over Nasr, the whole URL or the I like the

XML content of the feed? Mm hmm. Maybe? More or a link to it. Those? I don't know. I just think that I'm just I am not viewing noster as a social network. I view it as a whole different beast and the chest thing Chester? Ornette, ah, yes, c h e SSTR. That kind of got me right Oh, you could have any kind of application. And you can communicate to a whole bunch of people. It's, in a way, it's a little bit like IPFS I guess. Not the storage side, but the

notification side and the subscription side. These are this is not bad. So the this solves a similar, it's a, I keep fall starting here. Okay, here, here's, here's, here's, here's what I'm trying to say. There is a push back against blockchains from the Bitcoin community right now. The Bitcoin No, no, no, no, no, no, there are Bitcoin Maxis, who are assholes. And they run around and they tell people that they shouldn't be doing this and shouldn't be doing that. And they're assholes

about it. And it's very disappointing that people do that. That's what you I'll just say it for you. Because I think that's what you want to say. And that's so like, you hear people say, in this I was listening to I think it was the Kevin rook show. And they were saying, you know, not everything needs to be a blockchain, not just not Kevin, but his guest. Some lightning developer, not everything needs to be blockchain. And that's true as

100% true that that is that is incontrovertible. But I think this just the nostre thing has taken everybody because it's sort of like the first expression of this this from within the within the club, so to speak. And he has really taken people but you know, by storm, and people are wanting to find great things to do with it. And there's money there and that kind of thing. And it's all fine. It's all fine. It's all

fine. I'm, I'm fine with it. But I just I'm just, I'm tired of putting all my eggs in one basket. I hear your brother. I hear you. Yeah. And so So I came up with one final thing. noster might work might work well, to either bridge for a lit chat, or be the live chat. Because not everybody has an IRC server what we're currently using, Oh, get on to it for further ephemeral. Yes. Yeah. Okay, that that, I think because you can have that in the app. Here's

your chat room for this podcast. For this podcast. Yeah. And then maybe if it's a femoral or not, I'm not sure. Maybe that can stick around and can be attached to the episode. I don't think anybody wants their chat sticking around. I think everybody wants it to just be ephemeral. That's not entirely true. I, I want it to stick around. I like it. I traverse ISO me. I like it. Because I've I've always enjoyed watching a replay of the chat in real time. YouTube does that often.

How long does things how long? Do things stick around in noster? That's a good question. I don't know if there's an expiration on? I don't know, is it? Is it like Snapchat, where they hit it? Just? No, I think I think it depends on the relay that you're hitting. The relay will have rules and stuff set up. But either way, good point. That's a good that's a good one though. I like I liked that I did that make you know,

honestly, that Roy had mentioned nostre to me the other day? That may I was interpreting his his comment is his talk with me as cross up comments. He may have been meaning chat. I'd taught him about I give him a call. Oh, this he doesn't call me anymore. No, is he just blows me off now. He's too busy doing conferences with with Ben Brown of London. I mean, what he's doing and Brian of London is speaking at a Bitcoin Conference with Roy in some way. It is what Brian said.

All right. Is this all of these please tell me Is this a virtual one? I mean, is Brian gonna have a bulletproof vest on? You better walk walking in with a hive t shirt? This is great. To have a helmet and by the way, who do I see on noster? Brian of London. Oh, is he on the Oh yeah, protocol. So that may be an interesting way to do it to tie it into lit that might like that, that might be something worth doing. That might be something worth doing because that that could be just

something that that just flows along with the app. You signify either a relay you signal relay, or I guess, some some noster ID or something. Well, global identities bother me a little bit like I don't I'm not that seems creepy. And but but in this context That's probably not as big of an issue because you mean you X sort of salt serves the role of of a nickserv within us. Exactly.

Exactly. You don't have to reregister. Yeah. Or you can register a separately on every single show if you want to be a different person. Right, this and that's this. Yeah. This is a good idea. I like this idea. Okay. Hold on a second. Where's that thing? Where's my gavel? In the minutes? Just put in there. That is ephemeral. Chat. noster. Adopted. Okay, ephemeral him 12 chat, pimp. 12. Adopted. Okay. Okay. What the hell we just did, but okay. Good to go.

Just a general comment about the slowdown in the pace of namespace work. That's intentional. I'm sorry, I'm not ignoring the namespace. But I see the discussions happening there. But I feel like this is another one of these periods. We've had these before. We need to slow down a little bit and let people catch up. There's been a lot, there's been a lot of stuff. I mean, we're writing feeds generators for radio

stations to try to get them to use. If we just keep pledges plowing through and creating feature feature feature feature for you. I mean, like it just, we, we need a little bit of we need a little bit of breather. We need a breather here for a couple of months. I agree. I agree. And then bring back everything. We push the TXT record fast. So we're, I think we need to slow down just a bit, and wanted to welcome a new developer, David Foley, also

known as Grand Duke, David Foley. Come in, and he is creating a 2.0 app for roku. Beautiful, nice. Yeah, the first thing he said was, Hey, man, these images are pretty big. They are you know, and thank Thank you. James Cridland because James jumped in right away and gave all the infos Well, here's, you know, we've wanted this for a long time. Here's, here's how I do it. Here's how you can get the smaller sizes. I was beautiful. So now he's off to the races.

Yeah, I'm gonna grab Nathan to be on the show with us Nathan gathright Because he's, he's built. He's got two or three projects, 2.0 oriented projects that he's got in the fire. One of them is an image resizing service. Finally, you know, we've been doing that for what forever and he's also doing a transcript that steno.fm Transcript service and that kind of thing, so we need to grab him to get it get on how

do we how do we integrate? Can we put the image service into a split or is that actually something that might work better with an LSAT just actually almost texted him the other day and asked that same question. Can we pay for this with with with a with a split? Yeah. Okay. We will get him on the show. We'll password we are so thinking the same? Yeah, it's Christmas. Just Christmas spirit. It is the Christmas spirit. We're also Dean Martin and Barolos. Know, what is this?

Yeah, you know, the the Christmas music was just was get everybody thinking in the same direction. Christina and I are watching one Christmas movie every night. When Okay, give me your lineup. Well, it's it's a lot. We're trying to watch ones we haven't watched before that she had never seen White Christmas, which is well worth watching. I thought you know, and it's been Crosby, Danny K. Clooney, Rosemary Clooney. is black and why you know, it's it's just the whole thing is it's also

Hollywood studio is so obvious. The backdrop. But yeah, but big Crosby man. He does have a smooth, beautiful voice you listen to him saying it's like I the guy could sing too bad that he was I think he abused his wife thing was a wife beater. No, no, I didn't tell Tina that we're watching because I knew we'd have to turn it off right away. We also is and who's the other crooner? Guy, Andy. Andy Williams. Anyway, EMS Yes, Andy Williams. And so there's a new one with Will Ferrell though. I think

it's called spirited. So we're watching that tonight. The Christmas movie? Yes. Yeah. Yeah, he has a new Christmas movie. So you know that's gonna be spirited will will. Me and Marigold washed Krampus the other night. Also a good one is good. It's just good. Like, no. You're just like, who cares? It's just a good like, goofy watch. So spirited. Spirited is Will Ferrell Ryan Reynolds right there. That's enough for me. Yeah, you sold me if you throw

in some Tracy Morgan just you know for some diversity. And I think it's like the Scrooge story, but it's a musical. So it'll be great. Can't wait to meet the old Bill Murray Scrooge. That's a classic bathrobe. bathrobe VCR, VCR. That's how I did it this year. VCR, VCR. Bitcoin wallet. Thank you, brother. You sent me a Bitcoin wallet in the mail. And I got it. It is the Oculus. This thing is is beautiful to look at. Well, you shamed me because you sent me a beautiful book. We

haven't exchanged gifts ever. And ever and all of a sudden out of the blue, you send me a nice gift for the flag away the lives we don't do that we will. We will Reese will stop this. We will not do this again. No, no, I like it. I had fun shopping for you. Like what was it to get Daler wallet? This thing is so nice. Yeah, it was beautiful. Well, it's a badass. It's a you know, basically. What is it near field communication card looks like a credit card. And that's

your, that's your key. And so you lose that card, or you lose the phone, either one, you're back to your seeds, your seed words, then you have triple authentication. So it's the card. It's a biometric. And it's a pin. So you can set it up. So you can look at what you have and accept and receive. But you can't send unless you have all of the pieces put together. You can leave the card at home and your vault, you know, then it's

basically a cold wallet. I love that thing. And that's kind of my main my main wallet now that I use, I think I'm going to use it as the cold card. It also makes you feel like a total badass character from Gattaca or something like that when you use this thing. Just tap myself in Yeah. Does it have that vibe to it? I agree getting on the rocket to go to space. What is your what is your favorite version of Christmas story? Because there

are multiple versions of Ma. I'm am not a purist in the sense that I like the colorized version better than the black and white. But it still but it has to have the part that they removed. Now which one are you talking about? The It's A Wonderful Life, which Oh, It's a Wonderful Life. Okay. Yeah. I like the part that like, you know, they removed that part where she's hiding in the bush. Oh, I didn't know any of that. Didn't know that was censored. Yes. It was censored.

Like, you know, the part where he's still the robe from her. Yes. And she's hiding in the bush or whatever. They cut that part out. It was in Italy at some point, like maybe in the last 1015 years. So I like I like the pure there, the uncut version, but colorized I like pure I like pure, pure black and white. Yeah, black and white, for sure. 100%. But really, there's only one Christmas story. And it's the one that I have read to my daughter, and was read to me every single Christmas Eve for

as long as I can remember. It was the night before Christmas. And all through the house. Not a creature was stirring not even a mouse with my minor in her curfew for me and my cat. We had just settled down for a long winter's nap, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. I said no, I love that. I love Christmas. Christmas is a good vibe. It's a good vibe. And Happy Hanukkah, everybody. While we're at it, yes. Day five. I think of Hanukkah.

Do we want to thanks thankful people? Yeah, we do have some booster grams that have been coming in. So I'll hit those. Right off the bat. Hold on a second. Let me get all set here. Where are we? Okay, here we are. We got Dred Scott 3333 boosting for the Roku app and another Dred Scott 3333. Pew pew pew. Yeah, you could do some news for you. No problem. Steven B 1111. You know what would solve this cross app comments thing? Dot dot dot hive. I did want to mention how

we got a note from Ken the code did you see this from Ken? Ken has set up hive the hive tube? Yeah, I haven't. I haven't played with it. But he has Hi dash tube.com Okay, hey guys, we're listening to you for the first time loving your show referred to you by Brian TGIF and Hollywood, Byron, TGIF and Hollywood. He lives in Acapulco I've built hive too but does audio video podcasts, audio books, music, live streams

movies, it'll wash your car and do the dishes. It also uses activity pub with the hive blockchain and of course for user commenting a voting tipping even automated recurring tips which is my Patreon killer. I have not looked at this. He also wants to put live online radio stations on hive tube so we know this is something to just want to mention hive to hive dash tube.com That'd be pretty not a hive guy but I love it when people build stuff me too. I get it Stay for you, man.

Hello, Sam Saffi Hello Sam Sethi. 100,000 SAS just came in very nicely and Tom Jones The Indian Tom Jones. I don't know why you said that, but I like it. He referred to himself as that on the on the pod news weekly. Oh, no, I must have missed that 3333 From chat F verifying my account on noster he sent his public key Thank you very much. austere dot directory Martin Linda's code rush boost 2112 Couldn't mass of WordPress Tumblr Pocket Casts fix the

cross comments thingy? No, no we have Bhumi 21,000 saps can't listen live want to stop by and wish you guys happy holidays looking forward to the next great podcasting 2.0 year and I could not agree more. All of the good Albie guys great to have you in our in our in our sphere. Really enjoy it? Yeah. striper boosts from Eric p p 7777. Merry Christmas to you guys. Thank you

very much Blueberry. Blueberry 22,222 That would be a super row of ducks and definitely deserves a little bit of document they're meant to have more SATs on the last one. I guess he boosted gram before here's an ISO for Dave. Okay, hold on a second. Need to random audio from a booster gram always always great. Let's see here that's not entirely true. Okay,

boy, I know we're all over the place. Number 2112 from Martin Linda's code come on back Dave boot Yes, that's when we when you dropped out earlier I'm 5554 from Dred Scott boosting for the boot when you're gone we were entertaining ourselves Martin even though it takes forever for me to realize I'm gone and I'm like you're on a roll it out and then I'm like wait Adam is really solid Oh 6969 from blueberry my two cents on paywalled shows as we talked

about earlier there's only been two I've paid for upfront to access the second half one being the higher side chats and other is Great America outlawed awesome shows, but I don't care for set it and forget producing the other foot is I assume most paywalled shows will never be live which is kind of you know, not lit. Yes. We got it. It's kind of not lit. Yeah. 10101 from Steven Be Merry Christmas podcasting. 2.0 was like a subscription to the jelly of the Month Club. It's a gift that

keeps on giving all year. Beautiful Man. Thank you. Then we have 33,333 from firms sir Spencer, long lived value for value. The most detrimental effect of the paywall. Patreon model is the ceiling you put on yourself. We just read a $100 check in the mail last Tuesday in the week before we had a $122.22 cent donation for our son's birthday. These types of donations are not even possible outside the V for V model. V four v is tough to grok until you participate on both sides of

the value exchange. Good point. That is a good point. That's why few understand all caps. Merry Christmas, Dave and Adam. Thank you Spencer. I'm going to add this to my arsenal. You can't understand it as a podcast or until you've lived it as a listener. You get to understand it you got to do it. Very astute. Yes. 3333 from Chad f this is why I love streaming

sad so much I pay while I listen and we love it as well. 5555 from Dred Scott another pew pew 3333 from servo I have nothing interesting to say but sending an empty booster Graham feels wrong. Yes it is. 77,777 SATs from Mike Newman. Thank you very much Mike for Christmas Hanukkah striper boost wishing Felice Navidad to the boardroom and we appreciate it then we have just the absolute Allah Sakala 20 his blades on am Paula dred Scott's booster grams check this out. 555,555 cent from post

ematic my first boost failed due to index node busy. I don't think so. Boosting for the generator trauma and for Dave's heating Merry Christmas. Yes. To melt the ice from the Windows side of the windows 3333 from en for VX PC 202 The moon thank you for your coding and there's another Dred Scott I think this is the one he thought

that didn't send I don't know. Oh, he sent another 555,555 with the same note boosting for the generator trauma and then we have Drib on pod verse with 333,330 Three boosting for the generator tramo drip, if you'd like some of these back, we're happy to send some back brother because I think you might have and I've had this happen with fountain where I split it down. No, no, no that's that's breeze breeze you hold the button down. You're just you're spewing SATs everywhere. It's like it's like

an Uzi of SATs. Coincidence. And no, I think you get a phone call. Yeah. Hey, this show has precedence. No on fountain it happened twice. I send a big ass boost a b, a b, two. I think it was pod news. Pod news weekly review. And the app said sorry, something went wrong. Check your wallet, checked a wallet. I saw nothing went back did it again. Then I went back to the wallet and saw that I had boosted the same amount twice. So there's something and that was I don't know if that's found an idea.

Or an idea. For a sanity check. There would be very good idea. Keep the last. Keep the last boost or something about some sort of hash or something if it ends up if the app tries to send the same thing again. Yeah, like warn the user like are you sure you want to do this? It looks like this may be a great idea. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. That's a good idea. We have tone wrecker. 1111. The Art of Noise style percussion jam pre show roll was loopable Well, it's a lot of words and that boosts I

know. I see Brooklyn 112 Big striper. 77,777 Merry podcasting. Here's some candy Oh candy canes. Yeah. Oh sevens are candy canes. That's a good one. I like that like that. The NA Millennials 16,630 Happy Festivus hope to hear some cross app common grievances being aired well we did deliver didn't weigh or whatever we delivered. Blueberry comes in with the counterbalance to the striper boosts This is the 66,666 Boost Hello Satan. Okay, why do god knows that hatchet and Katana

were ordered? We ordered finally arrived now when you boost 66,066 Live to BTS you have one of three ways to murder a goat sorry forward slash me check notes. There's four I got the chain Sword came in late last night. Nobody called the police because this is very legal. Wow. You if that had come in in anything but a booster gram I would not have read it. No and you would have done and they would have gotten $2,500 deducted from their pay pal

can No kidding. Yeah, right away. 2112 again for Martin Linda's coke Mary Yuletide and has a whole question about what music we listened to during the holidays. Yes. Dave listens to rush. I listened to Kylie Minogue response. You know, the John Denver Christmas album rhodamine. Chris Dobby does, from RSS blue.com 25,000 sets and to us from Brees. Merry Christmas. And thank you very much. And I think that is pretty much what I have. If anything else came in overnight. I missed

it on my node because of previous power outages. And maybe we should just head over and thank the people that you have on your on your list. Dave have got a gotta make good boost from last week from chyron. I think I cut off the timing a little bit too quickly. And so I didn't get his boost on there. But it's 2222 and he says if when I start a podcasting 2.0 Colt, this will become one of the tenets probably closer to when I solemnly swear to respect the

splits. I solemnly swear to respect the splits. Were happy. Yes. You must proclaim allegiance to the split. That was the title of the show. Yes, respect this. We got two of ours. Every month big donors Marco Arment $500 Merry Christmas to us. Sakala 20 is Blaze own Ambala Thank you, Marco. Really appreciate that man. And that's value that is very, very much appreciated. I'm really hoping that live item is one of the things that comes

into overcast. It makes a lot of sense and makes sense for him to show yeah, the live show exam because I see now on Monday now that they've moved all their stuff to Mastodon I see the posts they say we're going to be live in 15 minutes, right like that could just just make so much more so much sense. Buzzsprout $500 Thank you The boys Sakala 22 Is bleh on I am Paula and of month value for value is heartwarming. Yes. Thank you so much guys. You are on their video thing.

Yes Did you Did you like it? I've only watched the first minute or so and I'm gonna finish it up now they didn't use my joke. What was the question was What do you think

about the t x t thing? And I said well I'm so happy because we did this for one person only we only did it for James Cridland said I liked getting the spam though I enjoyed getting I enjoyed learning about how I could make money with advertising and what great guests I could get but you know we love James so the whole industry made sure that we would remove spam from James and I had a great rap about it and they I don't think they used it.

Merry Christmas DJ we got some boosts Roy scheinfeld 54321 Yay call me Roy you know sometimes He's Just Not That Into You he's noster is different from AP matrix etc it's really simple and super powerful hope you don't mind if I explore it further not we don't mind at all. No put it out of court. Hey Roy well here's what you should do get some lit stuff working in your app boots and then and integrated this I think we basically laid it out for him

right? Yeah, it's a perfect way to do it perfect waited and we love the work that you're doing on Pog so I just a little little side note. The Johanna who cuts my hair cutting my hair for over a decade is Johanna Johanna Johanna. Okay. She's actually she's Syrian of origin. And so Johanna, I've known for 10 years she's cut my hair and I still go to Austin to because I like chatting with her. And she always takes her her payment through Venmo. And of course she's now by cash,

like IKEA. They're gonna start to taxing everything that checking the $600 limit, not that I don't think she was futzing anything with her with not paying taxes or anything but it's oh it's irksome. This $600 thing so you know what, let me

set you up. And so I set her up with breeze. I put I put 500,000 SATs on there I said this is your Christmas gift and all gratuity I'll pay I'm going to pay for my hair cut through through Venmo I have one phone here at home and the iPhone seven that has I don't want Venmo on any of my devices except that one which I don't use so I'll pay for the for the haircut but all gratuity will go through and I showed her I showed her what is it the bit refill? Bit refill? And she's

like this is great. And then she's looking she said What's this podcast thing is Oh, that's all the cool podcasts apps that you can support with she's like this is interesting and she is not a podcast listener not on apps she is a click play on the website so this may she may be a convert and bring you on boarded you on boarded her breeze i did and it was a very I've had some bad experiences onboarding to breeze in the past this was a very very

pleasant very pleasant experience and it worked right did right there in the chair and the the the the bad the bad part is that breeze no longer heats up your phone so I know it's no longer a foot warmer for me right yeah it's bad time of year to switch onboard to switch to hurry we really I really do miss that heat and loss of battery power I miss you too can convert lithium ions into into warm needs Bitcoin miners when you've got breeze?

That's right, but not anymore. Not anymore. Cohen McCormick 2022 through fountain he says hey, I love you guys love These meetings. Oh, I will be making the move to self hosting America plus before Castillo's charges me again soon in 2023 will be me building a node as well. The future is in the value rocket ship. Yeah. Bruce well see I don't know where you're gonna host Oh, Sal, oh, self hosting sc sc 2222. No note from Mike Dell, or brother from

another mother at blueberry indeed. Oh, and he said he sent us another 11234 SATs through pod verse and he says I predicted that ads suck. I predict that as well. And Mike whoosh Yeah, we have the same prediction. So funny do is interesting that way. SLC 12,498 SATs through fountain and he she says Pupu Musk is helping them My relationship with MPC family members, they're surprised that I don't trust him. And I explain

what WeChat is. Why are why are so many blind to this nonstarter because people are too too enamored with the distraction. Oh look, the FBI was D platforming people no shit Sherlock really can't believe it boost boost boost that special announcement, no agenda, February one, it will be accepting bitcoin for value for value and we should have it plugged into into value for value booster grams, et cetera.

And this will be great because everybody who wants to use this system can can determine if they want it to be sent to a bank account in US dollars, or Bitcoin or a combination you can actually slide back and forth and we'll probably have one of the ibex people on once that's all working to talk about because I think it's a game changer for people who want to get into into value for value with their podcast. And just to get started have a plop right into your bank account.

Eric p p says key sindelle Feb one is that right? That's the idea. Okay, two one on 2121 Everybody Q one Q one is going to be great for no agenda. We just keep saying that in the hope that someone will do something. q1 or it's going to be great. This is the power of positive thinking manifest your own your own beauty. SLC again 12,498 Sastra fountain he says Damn, I never knew I played the sax when I was younger, but have but have put away creepy things though. Oh, that's our I think we're

ribbon on sex. Sex. All right. Let's see a boost grant from Bhumi. To the podcast index website, how you doing? 10,000 SATs? How much 210,000 Hello, come on. 20 is Blaze on am Paulo come on in Bhoomi when we bought our booming, big booming baller, go podcasting 2.0 You gotta go podcast. Mary Oscar, also known as Oscar marason is 2450 through fountain new note. Thank you Oscar. thank you Steven crater 100,000 SATs pod verse and he says Merry Christmas Thank you very much. That's so nice. How you

doing bleak? Appreciate you Stephen a lot. setups. You know what Steven did? He basically got 100,000 SATs from the split. That Rebecca gave it right back to us. I mean, I love you for that man as beautiful. Yeah, thank you. But But keep some for yourself. Stephen didn't please buy yourself some nice. See dubs 10101. Through podcast index website, no note thank you see Dubs. 6969. From a citizen through the pod first app, he says, you owe on part of the show narcissism. That's not entirely true.

This isn't great. Oh, Dave, my brother, what will happen we need to celebrate you and I. It's blood. It's public information. So happen. We, as of right now. Officially, we crossed the limit and crossed the threshold, we crossed the threshold podcast index, which started out with a $1,500 investment in whatever, I don't remember how many sets that was at the time. We have now gotten to one Bitcoin. We have a full coin on the node on the node a full coin on the node Bouverie says,

are you having a baby? Baby, we had a baby. Were 100,000 18,212 Satoshis. So we passed we crossed the one bitcoin threshold we cost congratulations, Dave. We're not gonna we're not gonna see any of that money. If we just leave it there. That's for liquidity people. If you need liquidity, let us know. We're here to help. It's also to pay for the node itself, which is $150 a month pretty much that bill comes due in January, I think. Oh, that's

right. And we pay that in Bitcoin, don't we? Yeah. It's like yeah, we pay it cuz it's cheaper in Bitcoin. Yeah. Yeah. I think if we pay, we pay in Bitcoin and works out to like, 1500 a year instead of, you know, whatever. It was, like 150 a month. I think it's a lot. It's like 1800 Well, to be honest, the amount of service we get, is pretty much 24/7. I mean, you know, I can ping Graham and say, Dude, I don't know what's going on. And he's always there. Always.

Yeah, I mean, when you're talking about giving birth to Bitcoin babies like this is important stuff he's like he's like the dot he's the on obstetrician, podcast index obstetrician, he's the midwife let's just be honest. Podcast midwife, Graham from now on you have a nickname my friend you are the podcasting 2.0 midwife Nice. Oh, what a great Christmas present. Thank you all everybody this is really appreciate it because it's your booths that have helped this project and, and I love that we

can just see where it all goes. There it is. Yeah. Scott Scott is Cora scutts. Scott's Acorah? Yeah. Scott's the chorus in his 50,000 says through fountain he says thank you for a great year of all the new developments you have made in podcasting. Thank you also, thank you for being my absolute favorite over my head and I don't get any of it

podcasts. Your enthusiasm makes it all worth it. Yes. You don't show up to understand it you just show up for the enthusiasm Who the hell no. Do you think I know what I'm talking about. That 2023 brings you many great new ideas fruitful developments in tremendously fun times enjoying that international

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watching and I think I think you're right. We wouldn't have made it without without anybody if we wouldn't have done none of this would be happening with any of our value participants in the entire project, obviously. Well, he he's like the it's not going to football team. The big fat guy that gets behind you pushes the running back over the touchdown like I like grits. trug grits. sinas are true grits. True grits. That's it true grits 1000 says through

fountain. He says that A is 400 joke really hit home with me. Oh, I'm glad you like he says I work for Costco. We still use this. That garbage system. Well. IBM as 400 division was my client. Really? Yeah, we built a website for them. That could not run on the NAOs 400. My dad was an ace 400 programmer for his entire career. You can still you can still have a career and as 400 programming.

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We're going about that too, is how offensive is Prosecco to an Italian is Just gotta be just the worst thing for a French Frenchman probably worse than Yeah, mere mortals podcast, boob donation 8008 nice mountain and he says a huge thanks to everyone for all their amazing work on P 2.0. Over this last year, has really changed my approach to podcasting and given me an outlet to behave in a more ethical manner has also inspired me to learn Python so I can

hopefully contribute more directly going forward. Go podcasting? Indeed, Brother Go podcast. The podcast, Project inspired Kyron to be more ethical, what kind of what kind of criminal was he? I'm confused by this and also by the fact that we would inspire anybody in a mall to be more moral than they normally are. I just thought I thought we had the opposite approach seems

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with Leland David. Our final episode will be lit on Thursday December 29 With invite everyone come to listen to the final facts go podcasting. Oh nice and thank you too for being a part of this as well. Very, very fun to have you in the podcasting 2.0 Space podcast. Family family is what we Man Yes, definitely. Tone Ricker 100,000 SATs through breeze and he says Minnesota is in a deep freeze but keeping warm boosting sets through breeze Merry Christmas will be for free friends.

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that is true. That is true. Well, I wow. I picked it up. We have any monthly back here though. Yes. We got. Let's see here. Pod news. $50. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, James. Shaw McCune $20 Paul Erskine $11.14, David would find $3 Michael Goggin $5 Charles current $5 kin glotzbach $5 James Sullivan $10 shown the way we already rich John Christopher Remer $10 and Jordan Dunnville $10. God, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you all so much. This

is value for value. It's a very, very simple system. All you have to do is determine if you got any value out of this podcast. I thought of the project if you'd like it, it could have been for a project you're working on it could have just been for pure entertainment. Maybe you got an idea maybe just felt good. Maybe a laugh maybe you haven't as 400 and felt loved you you can return that value whatever you want time talent treasure, we

love the treasure it is important. You can also send us unchained Bitcoin, which no one does, but we do have that on podcast index.org If you have a coin laying around, you know that's He tally tally coin. And that's all a podcast index.org Also for the Fiat fun coupons, you can do that through Pay Pal but we really want and really enjoy is when you use a modern podcast app, new podcast apps.com There's quite a number of them that you can use with more coming online every single

day. I believe we'll also be able to use the the boosting and booster grams from the Roku interface. And that'll be interesting to see how that works. And for that, go to new podcast apps.com. And thank you all so much for another great year. This is our now we're well into year. Two, right? We have two and a half years. I think that we're doing this now. My saying that row. Yeah, well, let me see. When did we first started in August of 2020? Yeah, yeah. The first show was August 28th.

Yeah. Okay. So we're a little shove a little shy of two years and a half years, two and a half years. Yeah. Well, it's the best project I've ever worked on. I've have not had as much fun doing this. And that includes everything I've done. This outstrips MTV by Miles was can you say what other project can you say that you actually birth a Bitcoin baby? None of birth shitty websites in my career. But never a Bitcoin

Baby, baby. So thank you all very much podcast index.org And of course if you'd like to join in the fun and join him the work that we do on the development you're more than welcome to go to podcasts. index.org and we'll hook you up with an invite come on in not if you just want to you know, just have a podcast. But if you really want to help with the development and you can read what's going on in podcasts index, dot social distancing,

get a flavor for it. Or if you have your own Mastodon account, you can follow Adam at podcast index on social or Dave podcast index dot social. Thank you all so much. And I think we ran a little long do you okay, we were in law. No, no, we're good. I'm off today. Oh, nice. Today, we're going to the in laws house here in a couple hours. Yeah. Is that you got family, you got Christine industry. Everybody bailed? No, everyone hates us know that now the kids

are doing their own thing. Of course, Christina's boyfriend slashed fiance still cannot enter the United States. As if you are a non resident alien or a non citizen, you have to have boosters and everything up to date. And seeing as he started to get heart issues after the first vaccine, he decided to stop work when you're required to have boosters. But there's, there's European countries that don't like Denmark that have stopped allowing boosters for men under a certain age.

It's a whole the whole thing is horseshit. And they make the airlines check. So the airlines just need to see some piece of paper they can say your whatever that's good here you're good to go to each wave it and easily wave in their face pretty much. Yeah, pretty much. And I think but that's supposed to end January. We're the only country in the world that still have really Yep. And I was talking to the primerica guys finally did their podcast,

by the way, where's the they're not like they're not lit. I tried to find it. And now that I know, I know. It's a travesty that we'll get we'll get them on board now they do value for value, but we'll get them on board with with the lit stuff. But they were like hey, you guys should come down to Texas. Well, if you change change your horrible border laws I'm like, Oh, that's right. You guys can't

can't come in because you Canadians. It's ridiculous. And I think it has something to do with the title 42 thing and the whole thing it's America you know what Why would you come Don't hit stones just stay home. We suck right now. We got to clean some stuff up here. Then we'll send out an invite when we're ready for y'all need advice? or CPE and evite right. So you're with the in laws for for Christmas already. This is just for today. You going up?

Yeah, we're just going to eat dinner up there. It's about they live about an hour away at north of us and then we'll go to my my folks tomorrow and then have Christmas Day here with with our with our kids. Yeah. Now we're tonight we have pastor Jimmy and Damon net. We're going to have dinner with them. And Pastor Jimmy is going to do a value for value podcast. Oh, Izzy? Yep, yeah. Oh, cool. Oh, nice. Yeah. He's very excited about it. That's fun. I have the

pod father producing so I'll get you set up man. He's a musician. He has all the he has. He knows how to do it. He knows how to just I just need to put all the pieces together for him. And then see tomorrow and then I'm working Sunday. No agenda goes on as scheduled. We work on holidays on Christmas. And New Year's Day. Yeah. Yeah. What's a great opportunity because all mainstream has gone you know All reruns and crap.

And that podcast and the podcast episode publishing rate is down almost 10% This week, like on your buddies publishing podcast, this is a great time to launch this is get to stage two yourself. This is a great time to launch your podcast people I'm just saying, Dave, have a very, very merry Christmas. You too, brother. Love and peace and happiness to the to you in the family. And we'll be we'll be working just before the New Year and that'll be the next the next board meeting and we'll have

curriculum with us. So that'll be fun. Yep, that'd be good. That'll be able to get you. Peace and Love to your family to and to all a good night. Yes. Good night, everybody. Thanks for attending the board meeting. We highly appreciate it. And remember, we're podcasting. next.org And we'll see you next week for the final board meeting of the year. You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcasts index.org For more information because they're cool. That's not entirely true. moost