Episode 113: Substance Dualism

podcasting 2.0 for December 16 2022, episode 113 substance dualism. Hello, everybody. Welcome to your weekly board meeting. That's right. We go all the way up until the end of the year of podcasting 2.0. A Do you want to know what's ahead and what's in store for 2023? Well, we're not going to tell you we are the future. So you came to the right place, everything happening with the namespace, every single podcast index.org And of course, podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in

the heart of the Texas Hill Country. And in Alabama. He's making less than checking it twice. Say hello to my friend on the other end. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones. I did a dangerous thing. What did you do did myself during the intro, and just barely remember to unmute myself. Why would you do that? Don't I mean, I got I got you covered broke. I got you covered. I was I don't know. I think I was in a fog from enjoying my beef milkshake. Beef milkshake. Oh, that doesn't sound very good.

I blame you for this new dietary infatuation that oh, wait, you know, I was going to ask how is your beef diet going? My beef journey has progressed all the way to milkshake in, like Dan Benjamin sent me this. He's like, man, I've got this great like beef protein shake that I use. I was like, oh, and he? He said no, no, no. So it's like grass fed. But it's like isolated beef protein. It doesn't taste like beef. You know, he's like, it's like chocolate. And he's like, No, I

swear, here by it. And if you don't like it, I'll buy it from you. Like I just sent it to me know, do you use the K is the K and C beef in that? It knows. So I did the like, I ran out of K and C beef. And I had to order some and it takes like a week to get here. Yeah. And so then I'm like, You know what, I really need a fallback plan because my body is loving the like, the super pro to high protein diet is really like made an impact on the way I feel.

I love hearing this. I love this. You're ready to be on the meat mafia show now. Okay. Sign me up. I'll give testimonials. This is exactly it. And there was the answer was in front of you for all these years. Yeah. Like I know, I've said this before, but I didn't realize if you go if I go back and look. And you'll see in like, a lot of days I'll see like 20 grams of protein. 2020. Yes, that's for like two eggs.

No, it was shameful. It's Wow, everybody. And I'm like this is so I have to have like double triple quadruple backup plan emergencies. Oh, to have the patience. You got Jacob jerky and all kinds of stuff. Ready? Yeah. ingest ready to go? Yeah. Last removed. I'm so happy to hear that, man. I mean that I know that you've struggled with all kinds of bullshit, just health wise in that regard. And working out and like lifting weights and stuff. Man made a big difference. Yeah.

Now you know what's gonna happen? Chicks are gonna flock to you. We don't want any of that. I got the garlic necklace. Oh, I think I have a hernia. For real? Yeah, I think I think so I looked it up. I'm like, Oh, this is kind of like one of those hernia things. Go to the dentist and get some dental work and then come out with a hernia tell you man this like this is, you know, I don't want to complain. I really don't. But I was freaked out about the procedure itself.

And that, of course, turned out to be really nothing. It was almost like, Hey, I almost want to do that fentanyl thing again, that was kind of fun. Don't have no don't ever let me hear you say that. Well, we're doing it again, when the when the posts go in, but it'll be a couple months. When they say No, it'll be the healing. It'll be the healing like, okay, when you think of the healing, you just think of, you know, it's like, I got stitches as all the stuff

going on. They put stuff in it as healing, but you were you kind of don't get what's not in the brochure is his how much you use your mouth for functioning in the world. And when when when things are are missing or displaced and you know it's in a transitionary state. This is very it affects you in an odd number of ways. Mainly that you feels like you're wearing a mouthguard all day long.

Or we're breakages or what gives you this feeling is that the temporaries are yeah, oh yeah, because I have two bridges in my mouth and but they're only attached to the canine so you can't really chew and it's in an odd way. Let's see, I can empathize with people who have An artificial limb. Now it's functioning but you have no connection to it. It's prosthetic teeth. Yeah, yes, yes. Yes. Yes. No, but they're not connected to the bone at all. Even. Hey, it doesn't matter. I'm just I'm just

saying. It's like and then I and then I got this hernia, I think is hernia. Is it? I mean, does it lay hurt lay Hill every time you laugh? It doesn't No, not hurt like hell no. Okay. No, but if it gets any worse in mind, that's probably what it is. You don't you don't need to mess around with that. Like, you might want to go get that checked. It's like a quarter of all men get something like this. It's not bad. Unless unless it cuts off your, your intestines or whatever. Yeah, yeah. At all,

feeling kind of woozy? No, Dave, I don't know what to do. You wait your whole life with like, no medical things ever, ever. Now. They're all happening at once. Everything's coming together. Just just perfectly. Now you're in the system. That's right. Yeah, that's right. I mean, this is yeah. Yeah, well, it's all right. My deductible is like $9,000. So that's fine. Oh, yeah. No, you just take your car and you. So this is kind of near the end of the year. And I think we

actually we are doing an end of year show. And I'm kind of regretting not even ever wanting to do an interview show, telling me how many people have asked me to do a thing for their end of year show. And it involves a prediction and highlights from the last year. And I'm not one of those. Yeah, no, I know. I'm only half. That's, it's like pod news weekly, like everyone is on there, where their reviews and predictions. And I know why do

we die? Does everybody have to do it? I didn't do any of them this year. Oh, you didn't know I didn't get oh, Sam hit me with what was your highlight of or know what do you think's going to happen in 23? I was like, mental blank. I haven't. I don't know. I have no idea. Didn't you just didn't you just plug pod ping? 2.0. I was plugged it first. But I didn't know where the like what's going to happen? I think I mean, I was being honest. I think probably.

I guess my my prediction is just the slow march forward. Yeah. It's casting does it always grows with, you know, like, between four and 7% a year no matter what it is? takes time very slow rollout. Well, we can kind of review for ourselves. I mean, last year's predictions. I think we were right on every single thing. Facebook, YouTube. That'll be nothing. We both said it. clubhouse clubhouse has been rounded out? No. So we predicted

everything that would that would that would fail. We're pretty good at that. As a matter of fact, I don't I can't think of a single thing we've ever gotten wrong. Exactly. Companies running out of money predicted. People get fired. Predicted financial deep platforming is one of the reasons we started this. I will make a prediction for next year. I will I will. Oh, please. You want to hear me? Because I have to. Yep. Artificial Intelligence will suck and no one will use it

in podcasting. It's bullshit, though. I want to talk about I want to talk about chat. GPT by the way, yeah, let's do it. You know, what got me? Well, everybody's posting their chat be GPT screenshots and stuff. And, you know, whatever. So what piqued my interest in this was? Was it Oh, it's open AI? That is the people behind chat. GPT. Right. Yeah. And what caught my attention was they gave D script, which is, you know, the popular podcast editor thing.

They gave that company $80 million. Yeah, that's a lot of money. Yeah. And so like, this is not the end. I don't know anything about these screws now about the script. But these open AI people who are their investors, because they must have some serious cash if they can just part with $80 million. Oh, no, open AI. It's like, it's like the Linux Foundation. It's all it's all big tech. I don't think the Linux count Foundation has $80 million.

The Linux Foundation is pretty much owned by Microsoft as a way I understand it. I'll bet you they do have that kind of money. But maybe I'm wrong. Let's take a look at who who's who is open. I mean, I don't know. But okay, let's so I understand your your premise. Right. But this is not an I know it's just I know it's just semantics. Okay. Open AI RT. But this this none of this is real. None of this blows my mind here.

No, it's It's basically Amazon. The chat stuff to me is C Siri Alexa or Hey, Google, whatever you want to call it, with the same stupid answers just a little more embellished and flowery. word salad. It's exactly what it is. It's word, salad word salad. It's it's just all different variations of a fancy fancier Mechanical Turk. Yeah, exactly, exactly.

I think I guess the reason I want to bring it up, though, and tons of money around clearly, but in as this stuff gets better, I think we need to, at the MES think we need to remember a few things about that this is not this is not Intel intelligence in any manner at all. In any way. No, you know, so, but you know what happens? You know what happens with this, I'm gonna I'm gonna cut I'm gonna give you my opinion, real quick on this. What happened? I want to hear so people all

jacked and Jedi. Like, oh, it can, it can release, it helps me write my review, at least it helps me do my code. At least it helps me do my art. It helps. Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, you're this is a prison and you're helping construct it. Because one day you're gonna wake up and that same artificial intelligence is going to be making decisions for you. But not on your behalf. It'll be a government agency that has bought into it and thinks it's all great. Oh, yeah, it's

fantastic. So this is where the decision will be made? Do you get parole? You go to prison. And we all know AI is racist, don't we? This is already happening. By the way. This is not this is not fictional. This level this is if you think this is the best that AI has to deliver. Imagine how bad it is the stuff they're using in courtrooms today that are making decisions about people and recidivism, recidivism, recidivism, recidivism, you know, committing another crime

going back to jail. And we're trusting this level of AI on it if this is the best. So you're building your own prison, people stop it. at them, the scarier thing to me is medical decisions. Yeah, there you go. No, that's gonna you know, that's going to have an egg give you a perfect example, got a friend who, who's married to a pathologist, and the pathologist was had contacted the doctor, because they're like, looking at this

slide trying to determine what, how to diagnose. And she was like, you know, I need to know this person's medical history, because it looks, this looks like it could be X disease. I'm trying to be discreet here. And so in the doctor would like wooden wouldn't say, it has something that she finally figured out, okay, this person must be must be homosexual. And the doctor doesn't want to tell me. But what I'm seeing here is

something that's very concerning. And that and I need to know that information, because that puts, that puts the risk that changes the risk profile. And so they're having this, there's sort of this politics that came into this. And the pathologist was like, look, look, I don't care about any of that. I'm trying to accurately diagnose this person. And I can't do this without a full medical history. And what Tick, tick the box was, you know, oh, this person has had a

monkey pox vaccine recently. Yeah, she's like, Okay, this must be what's going on. And so she was trying to put all this stuff together. If if there was an possibility of a AI, that could just cut the pathologist all the way out, and all of a sudden, you don't have to have these uncomfortable conversations anymore. You just feed the data into the system, and the AI spits out the diagnosis, the pathology,

diagnosis and all and you know, and you're all good. And what's been lost is, is a full workup by human who knows how to read how to read this stuff and do it orally, medical history, and along with, you know, we're not talking about artificial intelligence, we're talking about artificial art. That's what people are showing me. This is an art that's artificial. This is writing, which is an art which is made artificially. This is a voice which is artificial. It's just artificial. It's not

even it's no it's it's no intelligence in this. Anyway, when I hear predictions, oh, AI is going to move into podcasting. Blow me, no, no way. Go away. Now, my final prediction of the two is ad based podcasting. advertise a podcast who exists because of advertising, ie, you wouldn't do your show for free. So there's advertising in your life. These podcasts are going to suck more and more, because there'll be less and less of them because of safety and suitability. Safety

and suitability. It went from brand safe to, I think, trust and safety. And now we're at safety and suitability. And and I have this information from pod news weekly. This is I think the founder of an ad podcast, ad agency, I believe called barometer Did you hear this particular interview? That's the only thing I've heard from so far, I didn't have chance to listen too much I have a clip? Well, what we figured out is that we have a certain level of responsibility

for the environments we place our clients in. But sometimes we limit that discussion to just what is said in the show. And as it turns out, there can be a lot of challenges for brands that affiliate with a show that may be safe, but the host is not for reasons that happen outside of the show. Oh, so we get a your emergency. And I love actually, I heard James Cridland acting surprised.

I don't think he was even I think he was sincere email that hosts were sponsoring was caught wearing a shirt that said something controversial in the wild. And all of a sudden, this is a topic. So if you thought that you're only responsible for the show, you are not you are responsible for the behavior of that individual, to some people to some stakeholders. And so really important that you get visibility into that as well as what's in the show itself.

Wow. I mean, other other any examples that that that wearing a shirt can't be a proper example, can it the second part of this, but this, of course happened on Patreon. We saw this happen a while ago, and Patreon came on the scene as a value for value type proposition. But not really, because you know, if you did something nasty on YouTube, then we're gonna throw you off Patreon. Because you are an undesirable. You're just not even if you have a wasn't even

in your podcast. So you were a guest on someone. This happened several times where people were taken off Patreon for this reason. Yep, that's, I think that this might be the best. Like, what do you wanna call like the best evidence for why? It's fantastic that Twitter is imploding? Because if you can, you can do all of the if Twitter if not Facebook, not anything. If only Twitter did not exist, there would be absolutely nothing. Here, there would been there would be no story, there would

be no brand safety. It's all a bunch of Twitter nonsense. Like it's the Twitter mob in the Twitter mob is like creaky and cracking. Now, as they get splintered into the diaspora it like this, all of these things begin and end on Twitter. And I for 1am Glad to see the whole thing just kind of crumble, because it's dumb. I think Todd Todd Cochran is right. He says, you know, he's been railing on brand safety, algorithmic brand

safety and that kind of thing for a while. And his point has been, it's just targeting, it's targeting under a different it's, it's, it's ad targeting under a under the guise versus brands. It's reverse ad targeting is what it is. Yeah, it was you're literally, you're not you're not targeting to an individual group. You're saying we've pared down the group? Here you go. Yeah, okay. Yeah. It's a it's a fill its filters. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. You want to hear this? The second part here is one rod lifts up. Yeah. No, that's a real example. Absolutely. Yeah, there was a podcaster, who wore a shirt that didn't make any sense to me. Not something I would have recommended that they were but they were wearing it and someone snapped a picture. Somebody put it on the internet and Twitter was a blaze. So it's not the

only example. We have a truly people trend for all sorts of reasons people get upset with a personality for all types of reasons. And, you know, I think in the early days, we might have imagined that it was exclusively about what sit on air and then their personal life as their personal life. But we don't live in that world anymore. Oh, and so that's not to say that we advocate for disassociating with programs because of every behavior that a talent is accused of conducting or

conducts. But but it's helpful to be aware of it. So sponsors and listeners, I can be eyes wide open with their affiliations and what they're consuming. So it's fine. You know, I don't mind. Everybody can do whatever they want to do. But you just need to be aware of the fact that this is basically mainstream media. This is what I lived with, for most of my entire life, but certainly half

of my professional life is the context the morality clause. And you even have I was offered a book deal for, for my book morality clause. Now I'm not interested I'm not interested morality clause that's, that's when you become the slave. And I'm drawing the Express analogy to Kanye, or even Prince, if you want to take it to that level, when they have you by the balls like that where you cannot behave the way you Dave Chappelle, where you cannot behave the way you want to who

you are as a full person in your full self. Because they will hold that over you and all it takes is a to n. Twitter mob, I'm not necessarily going to agree that it's only because of the Twitter mob. This is this is everywhere, in life in general, but it is the virality flowing through the Twitter and believe me, Twitter's not falling apart. That's a whole nother discussion, but it's not falling apart, it's going to be something else. And you're not going to have this much fun or

that we used to have. But this this idea of being captured in the advertising model is something I would like you anyone to consider carefully before you get into it. Because the worst thing that can happen is you're successful believe me. So what's the prediction? You This is a you had this as your prediction was? Where's the what's the what are you predicting death and destruction? Saddam Sodom and Gomorrah of the ad based business now I put my prediction was it's going to be

boring. It's gonna be boring. It was it was gonna be boring. And one has to be boring. Don't wear don't wear that crazy kooky t shirt. No, no this and that, that is now being baked into into the industry. Now people, I just feel so so bad of the hoax, that there's an actual ad industry and the people are making lots of money. It's not this very small groups, I think very, very small groups. Look, if Spotify can't even make money, the 600 pound gorilla. They can't even make it work.

Where's the ad business? Right say I wrote down on Monday, December 2023. Adam content will be boring. Ad based content will be boring ad bed based ad based content. Meanwhile, everybody else live in value for value is having a good time we got the champagne we Okay. Okay. It's more like Prosecco. But you know what we got Prosecco. And we're having a good time. We do this why Zinfandel? Exactly. We don't we don't need your crystal. Okay, because

we're free men and women here. We're free. We're free to do as we wish, no one can tell us what to do. And we're supported. And we're loved at any given moment, by the SAT streamers. The mic, I think my example to Sam was HTML. And II, like, I've got this folder that I keep around this got a bunch of old web browsers and every every now and then just for a kick, I'll just go like fire him up. Now that's doing runs on your machine. And if to run that, in a virtual machine,

does it runs like I've got a copy of IE one? No, it's just it's a single executable in that funny. I mean, it's like a single one meg executable. You just double click it and it fires up. I mean, like, you can't do anything. But HTML one, HTML two. They had like seven tags. No, yeah. Oh, yeah. You know, it was like it was like nothing. But back in the day. Well, that was that was JavaScript.

You will, when you first saw those early web pages, you had to think okay, you here's companies like Adobe, over here that are that are behind things like postscript. And you have to imagine that they looked at the early web and they were like so stupid that you can't Are you telling me that thing is going to take over our industry? Oh, like, that's the reaction. I'll take you one further. Craigslist was very clear.

What's his name new mark. Craig. But anyway, Craig knew. Yeah. He he went to all the big publishing houses and said, and most famously, what's the what's the one in Chicago? The Chicago publishing his Publishers Clearing House. Whatever it was, they said, Hey, we're going to take away your business. You should probably buy us now. You know, for like, and no, it was Hearst. Actually no, I've heard the story from will Hearst. Yeah, you should.

You should buy us now for like $5 million in that one. It's true because the business model of newspapers was classified ads, that's where they made the money. And then when they left him out of the room, yeah. And later, later, they came back to screw him with. With that bet

with that. What was the back page, the back page Backpage legislation that you know, you couldn't have, you have to vet every single personal ad and so they basically put Craigslist out of business, which he could have seen coming to. So that's my, been my prediction for the slow march forward of podcasting. 2.0 is bait is based on that, you know, this, it's easy to look over here and say things like, up. Nobody wants this crap. You know, and no, like, who cares about comments,

and you put in your podcast app and bobble in are so easy. Look, yes. Look at my spear look at Spotify. It's perfect. It's a full stack. Integrated, we know when you're in your car? Well, I know and all this kind of stuff. And I have to remind people, you know, software is hard. It's hard to do so. And when I see someone posting well with a fountain app is going to be glitchy of dump at switch to another app. Don't do that? Don't be a dick. Do you have

anything nice to say then? Don't say anything at all? It's not easy. No, but then you look back, don't you look back in a few years. And it's going to be you'll see clearly the transition point. When things begin, I will combine I'm going to do I'm going to do a trickier kind of I'm going to combine my prediction with your prediction to make a third prediction. Oh, it's a mega prediction. It's meta meta prediction. Here we go. Here we go. Yes, yes.

The the ad based content business will become boring, which will drive people away from boring content and therefore increase the pressure to come out with cool features to bring people back to content which will further podcasting 2.0 which will create and make content even better. The pod sage has spoken all I had man and just pulling stuff up again. Yes, this is a this is a grant. This is a great thing. This is a grant prediction, more ad based content. More brand safe, more

brand safety and suitability. Yes, since shoot ha man I'm gonna write this down these horrible things, say shoot ability. Suitability, suitability what how many? How do you base suitability AI will take care of it. Don't worry. The this is it. So I guess on the same topic, a little bit because the here's the chick from the Brookings Institute. The anti podcast lady. Yeah, the anti POCUS issue back with another another article.

No, no, no, no, no, but I heard it. She's not she's not bad. The last one was, the last one was late. It was late. It was yeah, that was obvious. And that wasn't obvious, just like sucking up to some political bullcrap. I only got mad once. And so I'm like, This is stupid. But I've got a I've got a clip. And this is just so we're all on the same page about what the Brookings Institution itself is. This is an old an old lecture by Jeff Tucker, back when he was at the

early days of the Mises Institute in Auburn. And he's talking about he spent time in Washington. I don't remember what I don't remember exactly what he did there. But he spent time in DC. And he's this the larger speech is called Washington warp. It's like how the culture of Washington DC basically just changes you and morphs you into some other

creature than you were when you got there. Oh, yeah. And so this but he in here he drops, a little nugget about the origins of the Brookings Institution, provide the Progressive Era, new rationales for state power has grown and become far more sophisticated. Now the government needed to exist and expand the pursuit of a social science in the name of government management. That's the phrase public policy for the first time was born. And what is

this thing called public policy? It was supposed to be some third path beyond pure scholarship and, and mere political agitation. Its purpose was to put a smooth and respectable glass on a power grab to achieve social management in the name of science. And the nation's first think tank, in fact, was founded

in the height of the progressive era in 1916. As the Institute for government research, it was initially funded entirely by the Rockefeller Foundation to carry out the dreams of the Ivy League political science profession for scientific public policy. Here's how the Institute for government research came about. And President William Howard Taft administration, group of these broad progressive political science and municipal reformers.

were charged with a way of coming up with improving data collection techniques data collection as a function of the modern state commission recommended that Congress form a consolidated information and statistical arm of the entire national government that's at the heart of this statistic farm would be the budget division that would present a quote annual program of business for the federal government to be

financed by Congress. A bill was drafted and went to Congress but Congress said no way and deep six the whole idea on grounds that it seemed absurdly socialistic, disgruntled members of the committee set up the Institute for government research. And later a certain St. Louis industrialist, an educator took over the job of financing it, his name was Robert S. Brookings. After him, the Institute for government research was eventually renamed to become the Brookings

Institution. Now, the reason I tell the story, the Brookings Institution is show that that the the relationship between the think tank in Washington and the government has always been intensely close, it can't really be any other way. That's always been the function of public policy research institutes. And and some extent that well, to a very large extent that survives

to today. The story of Mr. Brookings itself is fascinating in its own right, and World War One, he was called to Washington to be the commissioner of finished products and Chairman of the price fixing committee and the War Industries Board. In short, it was a he was a central planner on a totalitarian model, a man who hope that many more could follow him and enjoy the thrill of fixing other people's prices and running the economy into the ground.

Right. So this, this makes total sense. Of course, this is why the Brookings Institute institution that wants to have some kind of moderation policy for podcasts because they can't control the message in podcasting, which was pretty much our mission statement. I think we in fact, at one time wrote down make sure government can't fuck with us was not a part of the mission statement. Remember that? It sounds like some food, right? Explain Jeff Tucker, for people who have never heard of him.

Yeah, Jeff Tucker, he was the he may have been the first president of the Mises Institute in Auburn, it's in his he goes back to this era when the Mises Institute is an Austrian Austrian economy, basically an Austrian economics Think Tank. And they got offered, if I'm, if I remember the story correctly, when when Tucker was was leading that group, they got offered to, I think it was by the Koch, Koch brothers, if I'm not mistaken, they got offered to be well funded millions of dollars in

funding, this was maybe back in the early 90s. But the one caveat was they had to move their, their facilities to DC. And they in the Mises Institute said, No thanks. Not doing it. We're staying we're staying with as soon as we move to DC, we're going to lose all of our principles. We're going to we're going to forget who we are that sorry, they turned down millions of dollars basically a free ride a gravy train on based on principle and that all pretty, you know, pretty much was under

Tucker's leadership. That's the guy he is so I mean, you know may you may not agree with everything that he thinks but he is a person of principle.

So here's this is interesting that you bring this up so I'll just give you my my Twitter pitch because this flows right into it because Twitter would be exactly the platform that he was talking about, but the Brookings Institution would be involved in and this is perfect for you know, canceling shadow banning whatever whatever kind of control you know, obfuscation all of it, but it was kind of funny to see on my I have a private little Mastodon instance that I run just to subscribe to

people so that I have no noise just all the signal and all the journalists are just outraged. I can't believe about about Twitter policy you know, it's like they've always been blocking, obfuscating. Nothing's really changed. It's well it perception is it's shifted but doesn't matter. I just want to point out this is all distraction. This is all a big smokescreen while everybody is running around with their heads cut off. The stack that's being implemented is payment

authentication. Twitter has applied for a processing license, they in essence will become a bank. Elon Musk wants you to put money into Twitter and Twitter will give you interest payments so it'd be like a month The market account. So wants to run all of your finances, this is why it doesn't matter at all, how much he charges for the Twitter blue.

That is it is about authenticating you with payments, authenticating with payments is very critical, because then you can get a monthly confirmation that your data is still valid your address, etc. In addition to that, if you've noticed, there's a big policy around your screen name. So if you have, if you have a blue, then it has, it has to be your name. Now, you may, you may be able to put in there that you're with a certain organization, but it will be

your name. So it's a lot less fun to troll and, and mess with people, when your name is your real name. And your data is who you are, is traceable, easily traceable, because there are free speech or not there are laws against slander and, and other tort laws. So it's going to be parents scuze. Me, it's going to be it's going to take all the fun out of it. But it will and this is what I believe he's betting on is he will have

the two things that are necessary. For the central bank, digital currency, wherever the world goes, in the future, you will have the digital ID and the payment mechanism with the appropriate licensing and oversight to do it. And it's not going to be Dogecoin and it's certainly not going to be Bitcoin or lightning and stop wishing that he's going to do podcasting 2.0 Because it's not going to happen. Go look at

WeChat that's what he's building. That's what he's always said he wanted to build, and everyone is distracted by this free speech thing, which you're gonna get exactly what what you asked for it will be free speech, but you won't be able to hide behind any fake name or pseudonym. So the fun will go will die. This all the brands, brand safety, content moderation. Ai, they all feed into the AI you know, you heard in that pod news weekly interview, they're talking about their AI and their

product and they can do all this stuff. It all goes back to this AI which is essential, which is just skip logic is yes, it is skipped in COBOL. Exactly, you could you can run it on as 400. I'm not impressed. But that all goes back to data collection. It's all about data collection. And that's what that's what the Brookings Institute that's what these places do is data collection, that this it's not a it's just running algorithms over over a

data set. That's not how intelligence works. That's not intelligence know, that. One of my favorite, philosophical, probably a person whose philosophy I've built. Most of my own philosophy on that is at least metaphysically is Gottfried Leibniz. And he's, you could call him a disciple of Descartes. But he really had a lot of his own thinking he just sort of fits into that mold. Because his, you know, he's essentially a substance duelist but he's not making that his

thinking. A substance duelist you gotta you gotta get Yeah, well, like, you know, it's you have a physical it's that you have the physical world and then the spiritual world, and they're in there two different substances. They're there. They're two independent, independent things, you don't have a it's not a it's not a unity. And so he, you know, he, one of my favorite things he wrote was this, I think they call it the mill

argument. So his, it goes like this. It's a, you know, philosophers like to do thought experiments and possible world scenarios, of course. So he says, it's like, imagine that you have a machine and this machine can think, or whatever that means. And so he thinks of it like a mill. He says, Okay, imagine that. Did you have this, you know, this mill and you blow it up big enough to where you can walk into it and see all the parts. You can see the wheels pushing on on other wheels and

the gears and all these things that make the mill function? He said, No, no, take no, do that. Same. That same thing. Take bit now take the brain and imagine the functioning of the brain, whatever you think that looks like. Extreme below it. up large enough to where you could walk inside of it and look around. What would you see? What would you see that represents that is? That is the thinking that is happening. You can't envision the push, I think he's calls it the pushing and pulling of

mechanisms and parts that create what we know as thinking. It's not trying to get their brother. Good. And the reason is because thoughts and perceptions are different from representation. So you can say, a perception and a representation, a perception of a thing, and a representation of a thing or are different. The perception of a thing a thought, it's a single, it's a singular, it's a single thing, it's a

unity. You can't subdivide it into lesser parts. But everything else that then including AI, in these things that pretend to be intelligence, you can always subdivide them into smaller, smaller components. That's physics. I slipped perception is not physics. Perception is metaphysics. They are thoughts and ideas, and, and intellectual objects are all singular way he called a monads are things that

cannot be subdivided into smaller parts. I mean, if they represent a book that you sent me, Oh, no. That's a different book. I'm digging it all though. I'm digging it. I hate what you're saying. But this is the only reason I bring this up. This is important to remember because this is all the artificial intent. Like, I recently watched that thing with John Carmack, this interview this Lex Friedman interview with Carmack, I think we may have

played a clip. And he's real bit him. He's just so high on this idea that we're gonna figure out intelligence man, we're gonna it's just gonna be so simple. And we're gonna have a general intelligence engine. And that's not the way this works. This is the one this is why metaphysics Trumps physics every single time. The physics gets you so far, and then it just stops and

you're stuck. And if you can't go, if you can't understand the metaphysics, you're just you're just at a wall and you'll never, you'll never get there. No matter how smart you are. I think we need to keep that in mind. I have. I have high school intelligence. And that's about all I got. The rest is from the streets of Amsterdam and New York. The streets of hipsters, and all over the for the canal. That's

right, the old and the old streets of London as well. All I know is that I can spot AI from a mile away, especially when it's art. Any form of art. It's insulting that even okay, I posted this and that's okay. That's why I brought it up that I'm glad you said that. This is why I brought this art this sometimes I bring stuff up and I'm not sure exactly why this book because it's important to remember those things. Even when it we get to

the point where you can't spot the difference. When we get to that point, it doesn't mean that that that intelligence has been achieved it still this thing because the intelligence is does not fit the description of what intelligence actually is. Pa doesn't hurt what I can still say yeah, I just gave you a swift kick to the going. Oh my goodness. Okay, well, that was the sorry that was worrying. No, it wasn't it was deep. But it's okay because now comments

your blog. Hey, if you if you disagree with with the pod sage, boost us boost us with your grievance. All your grievances. We want to hear them please. But I did bring something that I think will it is your favorite topic. Okay. Stats, we yay. Hello. Well, actually, we did have a little conversation about stats. We had a back room meeting. Should I tell people about our Back Room meeting? hoping I was hoping that you would do this? Yes. As you know, I've had very little affinity with statistics

of who's whose podcast app is is on the leader. And because all I hear is everyone's podcast is number one. That's an every everyone has a list where their podcasts are number one, so I I put very little faith or any anything and these are never podcasts I'm interested in listening to interestingly enough now Um, so I, you know, I think I contributed 70% of the data in the OP three system. Everywhere we can and we are

contributing data, I don't really get much back. And then you gave me a statistic which I liked, which was, hey, because we changed a few things are Thank you very much. You saved me now. 30 minutes per no agenda show, certainly. And probably for most others by adding the web hook and, and moving the no agenda feed out of a horrible cash situation. Now you're going to you're going to say what we did or you want

me to tell it? Yeah, yeah. Just can you do it in a little shorter than done the whole AI thing? Man, Merry Christmas to me. Thanks. Good. Okay, let's see. Short, short, short. Okay. We moved, Adam is now uploading his feed to a CDN that we control, which is in object storage, which behind CloudFlare, and the the normal Feed URL for no agenda is just a 302 redirect to that URL. Okay, go.

Which is great, because now I don't have to do everything by hand and literally wait until the cache on the RSS feed is done for to hit the pod pings all this stuff. So it's beautiful. 30 minutes is a big deal in my life, when you can remove that off of production pre or post or combined. You showed me your pre post checklist. And it was ridiculous. I did that. So I don't mess something up. So anyway, so this

now put us in the, because we don't run any stats on that. And so now we have Cloudflare cloud, yeah, Cloudflare stats, and you said, Oh, man, the no agenda feed has been checked over 10,000 times in the last hour, lol. And I'm like, Hey, let's track who because everyone who's using pod ping is not wasteful. Because you get the you get the pod pin, you know, and you don't

need to pull my feed. So why don't we use the statistics for something other than podcast consultants and you know, people who just want to know how their own companies are doing, I want something for me. Finally, here's a stat I want so I can name and shame the people who are killing our Earth with an unnecessary, unnecessary polling of feeds. And I asked, I think I asked, is it just head requests? Are they pulling in the whole

feed? I'd like to have a metric so we can see how much energy will well we'll boil it right back down to true energy, or these platforms or apps or organizations wasting and I'm going to have a personal blacklist, which I will publish. I will publish and we'll give annual awards are going to have an award, which I will try and get into the the Podcast Awards. I lent it killer award.

Yes, the planet killers of the Year award in podcasting. And I'm hoping that maybe you have some data for us today. I do have some data. The biggest planet killer by far is podcast addict. Wow. Okay. In 12 hours yesterday. Podcast attic pulled the feed 13,000 The actual feed not just a head request, but a full full Paul. I didn't go that far. I just I'm just showing purely checks. I don't know. Versus because that'll make a big difference, won't it?

Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah. Will. The sea antenna pod checked 2.6 1000 times. So 2600 times podcast guru Jason coming in hot. With 979 the wrong way around. You got we already blew the number one. Okay. All right. So I supposed to go bottom up. That's okay. It's okay. I'll cut it out. No one will ever know. Start at the bottom. Right. Oddly enough, overcast was very low 214 times in one hour. So that's in one hour and then it No, not in one hour. Now. This isn't 12 hours.

Oh 12 hours? Well, because overcast, they probably he has an algo running. It's like oh, publish around this day wrong this time, because I know he has that. The AI today. I know. I think that's mL mL mL that fit into the AI. All right. Okay, good. Well done overcast and a gold star gold star for Marco. All right. I would like to say that for I looked for the podcast index aggregator and it didn't show up on the list.

We have podcast In this right you know how many times we hold hands in 12 hours 00 times. All right. Okay, so zero it's overcast with 214 which is very low luminary that 424. Can luminary even even play my podcast? I don't even know what I didn't even know. eliminare was an app. I thought it was a production company. Maybe nearing the probably stealing my content. Okay, next. putting ads in there. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna throw cast ematic out of this list, because Casta Matic is owned as on

device. So they have no choice. He has no choice, they have to do it this way. It's on device. So there's no central server polling. It's just like, whenever somebody opens the app, he's got a check. Franco a go a pass. But hold on a second. How does that work? Then? In the future? Will apps be able to just access pod ping? Or is not the way it should be done? Just go and say what's updated? Look at? I mean, how will that run in the future? If it's on device? If you have

no central server? Getting you can't use pod ping? Now, I think we're we're working on that that is that's gonna be that's gonna be a future phase. Is this is to make is to make this accessible, easy, more easily accessible to the, to the apps where they don't have to have servers. For now, they're, they're stuck. Okay, we're getting we're getting we're getting there that we're gonna there's a bunch of browsers and stuff in here that I have to just think these are fake.

Because it's just like browser, like, I mean, is Mozilla. I mean, it's Firefox checking you 3000 tosses can't be right. It has to be like fake scrapers or something. Maybe I don't know. But okay, so that's, that's the that's the the list there of people of how many times people pull you. But then you have this is this is just sort of a side thing. You know, that overcast does this interesting thing, where he puts in the user agent,

how many subscribers your feed has? Hmm. So in his user agent, there's a in parentheses, it says, X number of subscribers. So you can find out how many people are following you on overcast by just looking at the FA user agent. And so what does that say for me? Did you did you find how many subscribers I have 7786. And only 14 accesses interesting. So just doing it smartly? Yeah. So now there's 707 8707 or 86? No, Jenna subscribers on overcast. And if you look at pretty much every stat chart,

you can find bus routes a good representative. It's all overcast always appears to be about 1% of the total. How about that? About 800? Yeah, that kind of is what we've been thinking. Right? Right. Like a million a million and a half per week. I think it's what we came up with about seven 800,000 subscribers. Wow. Cool. Podcast. That still is a meaningless number by the way. Go podcast. Go podcast. I feel good about myself. I love one day when when James Cridland says my law that's a big podcast

that no agenda that's big podcasts. That's right. That's right. Look at my big one over here. This this you know what? This brings up a separate thing though. You haven't finished the list? You haven't finished? We haven't? I did. Okay, then after that. So then it's a podcast. Everything else was just a an estrus cast, and then it's into antenna pod. And what was the worst podcast? Podcast addict? Yeah. Wow. But you know, but where's apple? I don't understand. Where's apple in

this where Spotify? They no one on Apple listens to my show? Well, you mean your show shows up late on Apple anyway? And maybe because they're not taking the mainframe much. Do they show up at all in the list of checking the feed? I'm not seeing anything on here that shows apple. So this was before you publish? Yeah. I don't I don't know. This must be all on device. I don't know. I don't know. If I can't shame apple. What's the point of my list?

Okay, I'll come back next week with a new list that has apple firmly at the top. Thank you. That's the way lists are made when we do PR. Okay. Good work. Good work, Dave. Thank you. Well, I don't I don't work for Brookings. So I didn't know what my marching orders were in advance. I brought real data not not data. They said what I wanted to, I want to remind people that there is a, this ties into your

stats. There's a value for value dot info if you're looking to explain what value for value is value for value dot info, and that was that's a project that Gigi and I have been working on. It's it's a work in progress. And it was kind of fun, because he has in there, how many, he has an updated stat of how many value enabled podcasts there are. And, of course, we update everything through the GitHub just to make it really, really like really cool, man, like, update on the GitHub. Hey, my

PRs ready GG. And all of a sudden I see him with a PR and it's it's he's now he has a bot that is automatically updating the count. And he's pulling from the new our stats. Oh, oh, that yeah, the new package. Yeah. Because all sudden, I saw the JSON pop up in in the GitHub, like, oh, that's where he's getting it from now. Cool. That's good. That's a good way to do it. Because that's it. Whenever you see somebody know nothing about our the length of

the programming language. Whenever you see somebody do doing work in art, you're like, Oh, that's it. That's a data scientist. Yeah. Huh. Sexy. You can just you can just use that if you like hanging out at the cafeteria at MIT. Oh, yeah. Oh, for sure. If I could find someone an associate to work with the on my our stats package. Every year, you just need a t shirt. Or someone who's single and can work late nights. The is, you know, one thing that this is not a prediction. Is it?

No, it's not a prediction. Or a B? Can we just say that? This has been a bad year for IB in general. Because I hate these maybe download things suck. Oh, if? Yeah, we can Dalvik the Dalvik thing with? Yep, prove once again, after 18 years, we do not have a business model people. You don't have something that is reliable. We don't have a model where everybody to the story behind the Dalvik Samsung thing was that, you know, oh, it was a bug in Samsung. In Samsung's

player. But the it was only vaguely mentioned that on a couple of times. On a couple of podcasts. I heard that these were again, again, these were all IAB compliant downloads. Every one of them every time one of these things happens where you have the game ad podcast in place and in the buggy Samsung app in the you know, the buggy. Apple app. It's always a be compliant downloads, these numbers are complete trash.

I want to Okay, yes. And, and I can even you know, the stuff that Spurlock is doing is in that regard, great because you know, the Opie three playground is that's totally going to discredit and ruin everything that has ever existed in advertising. And it is, for podcasts. It's an immeasurable thing, it you should, you should give in go value for value value for value dot info. And, and I will, I'm not stupid. And I've been in media all of my life, you just heard we have about

800,000 people subscribing. If I could make shitloads of money and not have to care at all, by running ads? I would. But what I get out of the value for value for 15 years is better. That you can quantify that however you want. For sure. 25% of it is I don't have to have a single meeting within a hole about what I said or how I read the copy. Or could you back off on that? Or could you punch that up a bit? And could you just mention that instead of this? I don't have to do that.

So that's worth it late is worth at least 50 grand right there. I'm just saying is 25% of the of the joy that I don't but I had a lot of meetings. So I mean, newbies, you still might like meetings and think you're important, but you're not me. That is something I've also learned about during the podcasting 2.0 Well, you've become a podcast or you you are a podcaster and you understand now how it all fits together and how it works. I mean, you you grasp that with two hands.

And one thing I've clearly learned is that meetings make you feel great for about five minutes and then you realize that nobody's ever going to do what they promised you they're going to do in a meeting Yeah, exactly. It's like it's just all it's like, oh, man, this is great that you know, it sounds like there's really some momentum here six months later, nothing. Oh, yeah, I forgot on one other prediction in that vein, I predict cross app comments will not happen in 2023. That's my

prediction. It's my prediction. Something else will happen. But it's not happening. I can see no one's doing it. I don't know if I'm getting and don't know if I'm going to join on board with this prediction. This This seems this is my reverse psychology prediction. Oh, okay. Yeah. Of course, I should have known this. This is you this is you baiting developers and doing what you want?

Yeah. Now developers either do it or they don't. And whatever reason, even with the I thought you were right, I thought the mastodon influx, you know, people are now interacting.

They're enjoying it. There's, you know, there's, there's a lot of LARPers and Ron, but you know, there's, there's definitely got heat, you know, to be able to say, hey, we now integrate now, the comments, they, you know, comments in our app show up and other apps show up on your Mastodon, you can follow it from your instance, I can write the marketing plan in three seconds for you. But I know it's hard to it's hard to develop stuff. And people, you know, developers that develop

what they want to what they're interested in. They don't do it because they have to, it's because what they're interested in. And so if there's no interest, I know that just shut up and barking up a tree with no no bird in it. No cat, no cat in the tree. I get I'll get to you. They're not lazy. They're all working on their stuff that they want you work on what you want to work on. Right? Yeah. Yeah, you know what I'm working on right now. The 100%, retro, dynamic feed

they see in this, I love you so much. I know all I have to do is my my theory with developers, is all I have to do is I have to deliver the data, the content, the feed, if I can just keep delivering and I deliver a cross app comments on four shows 800,000 subscribers who could potentially participate in cross app comments? Yeah, maybe it's a driver would and will no, absolutely would do it.

And oh, and by the way, I just want to say yesterday, I hit up John C. Dvorak and said, Hey, tomorrow I want to demo our bit Bitcoin to dollar interface. Ooh, is that is it how is that like ready to go? It's working with key send? No, it's no not yet. It's working with right now you can

just pay with a with a with a wallet. The point is, it goes into no agendas account through ibex, IB e x, who built us and it goes with automatic overnight bank transfer in dollars it arrives in your bank account, which was a prerequisite to receive Bitcoin from people for my partner and we have 100% veto on each side. So no, no Bitcoin touches the LLC. Okay, so we figured that out. The only thing that touches the LLC is the dollar payment. And he's like, oh, cool, I can't wait to see

it. And he has everything I wanted him to have like he can make a little link with a pre filled out amount or an open amount or you can drop into his newsletter. So it's like a drop

in replacement for Pay Pal. And once that's working, which will probably start promoting in a week or two or maybe as of January 1, then Ibex will add the key send functionality because now they basically have to add that to their wood, whatever whatever sitting on top of their node, you know, because they're 100% custodial solution and then I would just be able to pop that in as a as a value ID for in the value block of the no agenda podcast

that yeah, so are you but more importantly more importantly tomorrow is that there is I mean a Sunday is that going to be the with the key send no no with the keys in both the other with the standard donation stuff probably not I'm gonna say this he's gonna want to play around with it and we got to get the back end there's an export and everyone has to get you know there's a process but we have we have we keep adding different ways you get turned the ship

Yeah, well, you gotta add this to the ship it's like these little lifeboat that's coming alongside we gotta get these guys on board. And but then we can actively promote my my thinking is I want to promote the splits. So I want to promote the and make sure that artists know that they need to get themselves a wallet somewhere and I will probably eat So you can use the existing wallet and the podcast app you have or you

might want to use the Alby or breeze or whatever. So we can, you know, there's a lot of people listening, maybe a couple will, will stick with you. Take advantage of it. People help. I'm trying to. Everyone wants to know, how can I market my stuff? Hello, I've got there's this there's a, there's a fleeting thought that is going through my head right now. It's, it's got something to do with combining the motivate. Okay, the cross app comments?

The I think this is suffering from a lack of narcissism. And this is not a criticism, criticism. Exactly. 100%. The same way? The the motive, the primary motivation for boosting is that you get to hear yourself in the show. I mean, let's just, I mean, that's that's 90% of it. No, no, I disagree. For boosting or booster gram or the histogram histogram, histograms, I can I would not I will not agree with with that percentage. For some people. Yes. For some people, it doesn't matter. It's

going to be different. I like to boost high so a guaranteed My my, my message will be read. But that's not because I want to hear myself. It's like I want to criticize, usually pod pod news. Yes, I sent 25,000 SATs like hey, I'm criticizing you. Please read this. That's silly. It's not always that. People. It's not that you want to hear yourself, it's you want. Let me try to clarify a little bit. Let me let me be less informal with

my with my language. As for me, I sent booster grams to shows in order to provoke a discussion point that I'm interested in. Oh, okay. Valid, same, same idea. It's not it's not the you don't need to hear your voice though. You don't need to hear your name. You just want to write get you want to be part of the show. Right? I want to be part of the shows. Yes. Thank you be a part of the show. I was like, I hear a thing. And I'm like, Oh, I

have this thought about that thing. I'm going to entice the host of the show to discuss this thing that I've my thoughts by giving them money. Yeah, that's, that's valid. Sure. And it's a very enticing way to do. So. He that mechanism does not exist with cross app comments. Cross app comments, has no guarantee of a feedback mechanism in the same way. So here, this this is my thinking goes that if we can combine the two and I'm not talking about lightening comments, I'm not saying if

somehow you can have this is sort of like Super Chat. All right. Okay, this is coming together. This isn't making more sense. Now. If you're in a super channels, let somebody on YouTube. You see all of those, you see the paid stuff and the non paid stuff in the same section. And that's what we're lacking here. The booster Graham's go to one place, the

the cross app comments live in a different place. If they were co mingled together, then you would you may have more enticement to cross app comment, because you have the booster grams that are starting the conversation or drive, they're driving the conversation. They're driving the comments section. And then other people pipe in to reply, but they don't have to pay.

They're just replying to the comment. So I guess my thought is some sort of gateway, where you could have a site where you can have a cross app, like maybe you put something in your split, and what you put in your split is a gateway, that where when a booster Graham goes to that it gets converted to an activity

pub, cross F comment and post it to the route post. And that is like it's, it's it's seeding the cross app comment, thread, and key and starting it, it's like lighting the fire so that other people have things to respond to. Alright, so I'm gonna disagree with you on a little bit of the theory. I understand what you're saying. But super chats are, as far as I know only really used in live environments. And, and not on just a podcast that Uh, that has two different levels of

comments. But you, you have made me think a little bit and success. Yeah, I think that what you have successfully done has taken me off cross app comments altogether, I there's probably and even what to who said this ice cube soup? Cross app comments will succeed as soon as there's sufficient desire for users to quarrel with each other. You know, that's true. I look at the lightning comments on on fountain Aina what I see, it's all except for mine, it's all positive. It's all like,

Hey, this is cool. You know, and people were responding that, you know, the reply function is pretty decent. You can you can boost someone a little bit? Who, who's who posted a comment, I have to say, I check that out after every show that I do, where it's enabled. And, and, and there's real interaction, and people are sending the show money, and all the other stuff, you know, it is probably more noise than signal. And, and

it's, it's not. And I think honestly, the fact that it that it doesn't have a lightning payment component is probably subconsciously, possibly a reason why developers are less interested in in doing it. Because you know, it's just more hassle in your life, the way I see it, Okay, I gotta develop this thing got to put it all in, you know, gotta go through the

whole cycle, I'm not really getting anything out of it. And probably what I will get is people bitching and moaning at each other wanting comments to be removed or whatever have to explain it. And only a small piece of my app will show that they won't show up everywhere. And there's not consistent. I mean, I've we've been doing this for two and a half years, and I've pretty much heard at all, I don't think it's going to happen. And I would much rather go with something like the

lightning comments if we could make it work everywhere. Because it's working when something it's the hardest thing when something's working. Now, we're not pursuing this one. It's working. But we're not pursuing it. And it kind of fills the void. I'm sad. But I'd like to move forward with something. Is this not the end result that I was going? No, I know, I know it is. But I'm saying this with love for the idea, obviously. But okay, here. You know, as I sent you in signal this morning,

I sent you a link to an article. Yeah. And you screenshot it back to me the first column LOL LOL look at the first comment that was not a paid comment. No, I know. I know. It was often oftentimes in YouTube videos and such, you go in there and you look at the video, and you get a good chuckle out of the first

few comments that are funny, right? Like didn't you look if you if you make it, if you make it all if it's pay to play you lose, potentially lose good content also, I mean, I'm in full agreement with you 100% 100% 100% No, I mean agreeing with you, but I think I'm just gonna stop focusing complaining whatever, I will not stop making my route posts. So it will always be there when anyone wants to pick it up. But I'm not going to ask beg talk

about it bitching moan that well that's my prediction. I'm not going to talk about it anymore. If it if it happens I'll be there and I'll be there to promote it and any apps directly that support it until that until that moment I mean what I'll where I want people to have a good experience here's an ISO that perfectly there's a delivered a nice of that period that perfectly encapsulate encapsulates this but yes, I would presume it to this one okay, whatever.

Yep. Oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna have to build something. I'm gonna have to write something. I can feel it already build something write something. Oh, we yeah, we need you programming. That's what I mean. That's a learning right? Don't Don't stop you're just you were you were so all jacked up and doing the 100% of retro retro retro fi don't stop doing that. I love that. I'm not gonna I don't believe in Hey, man. How bad is it that we lost Christine McVie?

Oh bandit they how much she was she wrote a lot of the song she wrote a lot of those hits. Okay, so this was about to ask her I thought that she was she was there from the beginning right she was she was asked to come in the band already existed when it existed, I think and I happen to look this up when she married to the bass player. Yeah, Lindsey Buckingham. No debate. Now Lindsey Buckingham is a guitar player,

right? Yes, you're right. The I see I thought Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks came in after the fact. You're right. Now let me see. I'm going to consult the book knowledge here for a second, though, that's NEC when she was in Chicken Shack. Oh, yeah. This dynamic ban chicken. That one. I think I know she was asked in let me see Fleetwood Mac. She was a fan. She was touring with Chicken Shack. And the two bands would often meet so she was asked if she was not

there from the beginning. Okay, she was asked to come but she wrote a lot of songs. Great for us. It's beautiful voice. beautiful voice. Yeah, she kind of they have a list of the song she wrote. I know that she wrote a lot of them. Why did don't stop believing. Reminds you of Fleetwood Mac, because it triggered don't stop thinking about tomorrow. Oh, okay. I guess you would, which is is embedded in a weird way because then I always think about the Clintons. And that

always creeps me out. Because that was that was that was Bill Clinton's campaign. Song with Al Gore. Is that the one where his brother George Clinton would come up and start playing the sax. The saxophone on stage. It's y'all know, I don't know. Who knows. Now remember that? He did. That whole sacks. vibe was creepy too. Of course. Yeah. Anybody that plays the sax is a little creepy. I mean, let's let's Can we just say that? Oh, yeah, I mean, Kenny G top of the list. Creepy Zoids

Oh, yeah. He just stares at you. I don't like it. You know, he has that perpetual thing where you can keep blowing up. He doesn't have to breathe because you breathe through his nose and he keeps he can keep keep blowing the SAS weird too. Yeah. I mean, there's even the fact that you can do that as weird Kenny G. Someone was someone once said to my partner, Ron Bloom said, man, you're so good at business you'd like you'd like Kenny G plays his saxophone. And Ron is also a

musician and it was not a good moment. Not a good perpetual bloke very good, very bad. I'm gonna just thank a couple of people who have been boosting us live because I think it wants to in the in the year end for end of the year end mood because we're getting some nice boosts here today. And we are lit of course contracts about that contracts the stats package boosts 10,000 SATs Thank you very much big big performance update for contracts

V for V dashboard dropping this weekend. Hello. No up next usage via value split 2023 will be the best year ever for independent podcasters I love what they're doing. contracts. It runs all in the browser which has interesting advantages and disadvantages. Advantage. No service. It's it runs in your browser. You know, it's kinda like a virtual machine. It spins up and runs a downside. You refresh your page. You're refreshing everything now all the way to the beginning. Go

back to zero. I can't wait. I looking forward I love I love the Saturn stuff. I love the contract stuff. It's fantastic. Then we have Eric Eric p p 33,333. No note 45,000 from Matt madeiros podcasting. 2.0 is my suitability. No casting podcast. See Brooklyn 112 40,000 SATs always a great board meeting. Thank you very much Chad F 3333 ai death panels. That's right. Yes, Canada. I'm sure Canada is already already using him. Hey,

it looks like this person should probably be recommended. Some euthanasia? Is the AI just it always just says euthanize doesn't matter what the input is skip logic just goes in a loop back to euthanize. I think there'll be fun euthanize Chad F 25,000 SATs listening live with a new pod verse CarPlay app and even posted a screenshot there. And that's right. We have brand new functionality from congrats to Mitch and that's to do man to get that to work. Guy

man, he's he's he's really I love how Mitch? And what's his partner's name? I can't remember. Sorry, you should know it. I love how they just dive in on stuff that they don't know anything about and just figure it out. Yeah, they just figure it out, man. They just get it done. It's inspiring a little bit. My only request for pod verse is but I still have to reconnect my

Alby wallet. Like every day, it seems for some reason they fixed a big one for me, which I really didn't make much of a deal of it but you know, it's like oh, I set the alarm and this this would be for pivot the pivot podcast. So when it when it drops, then you tap on the on the alert on your phone, it will just go to your collection it didn't actually go to the episode at hand I am that was fixed. Real real happy about

that. The next thing that is high priority for me because I don't use pod verse For for one of these reasons as often as I could. There's no permanent streaming that still hasn't been implemented. So like if I listen to he's working on it though, I'm sure if I if I'm listening to pod news, know someone who I care about then I even for the short shows I will use I will use a different app because of that. Then we have 10,000 SATs for Mitch Diego podcasts 10101 from hard hat Thank you very

much. 2800 from Eric from our podcast, our desktop here we go and quite a boost to note it is using pod verse. I'm so glad Adams on the mend. I know from personal experience dental work

can be painful. Thank you. Also thank you for the mini shout out of my pod index our package I released last week I'm eager to find ways of not only Quan quantifying the most meaningful stats on the index but also ways we can surface these insights effectively for podcast hosts listeners and hosting companies pod index are is one small step towards that goal go podcast podcast. Yes, well, I think I described exactly what I need today did no no yeah, you eloquently Yes,

yes. That's I want the shame list. The Earth killing shaming list as the only stats you're interested in or allows you to shame people yes, no, no, just anyone who I mean I hate them. No, I would like okay, honestly, I want some statistics I can use to shame apple and if possible Spotify I'll take a Google and Amazon. What I don't want to do is I don't want to have to be shaming an antenna pod. If podcast addicts you know that's like they should fix that.

You need statistics that allow you to shame Spotify and Apple if we're talking AI based statistics I can have those quit like we've already discredited them that there's still there's still it's still the quote gold standard so we're good to go we can we can we can get those going quick. When did you pull the most recent booster grams because I got something about up to three hours ago from Brees I got to do you have those big numbers? In fact, I know do you have tone record on your list?

I got I got double tone right. Okay, you got tone wrecker? And I think that if you got don't record we're good. We're good. Thank you all to these to these early boosters you can boost us live. Please listen with curio caster or with POD bursts. Both will drop you right into the into the live area with the chat room with the stream running the exact same place where you get the podcast. And thanks to sovereign feeds for making it all possible for me to create

all these feeds and all these triggers. And thank you Dave again for taking hours off of my week hours literally hours off of my week. That is incredibly valuable. I have a nice gift coming for you for Christmas. Oh, well as after you shame me by sending me a gift like fucking now I have to send them a gift. We don't exchange gifts in bag don't exchange now of course I do. I feel like a heel. Like you're thinking of me. A very thoughtful gift and like, Oh man, I gotta think

about my friend. I think I'm no way I'm such a douche. What did I do? Why did you why did you send me something really thoughtful stuff that we had this discussion with. With Melissa the other day she were trying to devise a way that I could get a couple of gifts for the guys that I work with. with it. But but you have to be strategic in order to make it where they don't think they have to give you one back. So it's like the dollar amount can be

too high can be too low. It can't believe she was like once you just do a bottle of wine. She's like but But it can't be like a real it can't be like a nice bottle of wine. And it's got to be not a nice bottle of wine. And it also has to be obviously not a nice bottle of wine. Like it's got to be noticeably below the $15 mark, you know, well. I'm very good at Christmas gratuities for people that we work with and work with us around the house and you know

from the garbage guy to the postal. The postal worker we don't say mailman we have a mail lady we call a postal worker. And it's an eye there I like the postal people I really do. You know, we have a but there's some guys like, you know, Tommy who comes here and who really, you know, when we have any landscaping to do like trees or whatever, you he makes enough money off of me and I'm not gonna give him that we would

actually be insulting to give him money. So buy him a bottle of like $50 weeks whiskey, you know, something that I liked, that's good. And his assistant will get 50 bucks the same thing. It's not about that. It's about the thought. And so you actually put thought into that gift from me and I can't I can never come back from that I can't recover. flattened. I have something in mind for it. It's she couldn't get it there on time before.

Okay, well, we'll do we'll we'll next day. I'm I actually dropped a couple more gifts into the mail for people today. It if I'm bad to do this, because I just want to if anybody gets a gift from me, please don't think that you have to give that it's not it's just not about that at all. You nobody has to give me anything back. It's not. There's not necessary if you get a gift from Dave, he's clearly shaming you. You're much less than him.

Yes, yeah. It's all about my own personal superiority, complex, dry strive to be as good as Dave Jones. I do. I do. Yeah, you're very, very, you're very nice, man. Very nice. Oh, nations from PayPal. There we go. This I got a couple of this is a value for value proposition. If you're wondering if value for value works. We never even submitted the show to to, to Apple. You know, we're just working with our little community here. And all we said

is, hey, do you like what what this what this is about? Do you like the value that we're providing? Now the mechanism is, is the podcast which also takes effort to do? And people said yes, we find it valuable and they support us. So it does work as long as you have a quality product. Jesse 100 think he thinks it's a quality product because he sent us $10 A suggestion Thank you. This is pay pals. Right. These are we haven't had any pals recently.

Oh, we will be we had a bunch last week. Not one off day. We had the monthly subscriptions. Right, right. The and Jesse didn't send a note but Michael olinger did and he said he sent us $20 And he said, Thanks for the index and the mastodon instance. Ah, thanks, Derek. Welcome, Michael. Wish I had to upgrade again. Oh, no, we gotta we gotta slow that down. Well, it's, you know, it's, I had to do that from my own

instance, as well. Because you know, the minute you start following a lot more people and people are boosting, it's all assets. It's all drive space. It's all bandwidth. And so we just have to go we just go up to another level. Now that tear, it's okay. How hard is that guy? That mesto dot host How hard is his life right now. He's, he's making money, but he's probably hair on fire, like 24 hours a day. He seems to be holding it together. I'm very proud of him. I think he's

German. And I set up a couple of different hosts now. He is sadly you know, there's some people who wanted to set up a host with like, an no agenda name in their domain name. And he refused them and cut them off and said go away. You know, you we won't have fascists and Nazis on my on my. Yes, yes. Yes. Yeah, because no agenda social.com was flagged early on, literally as k k k Nazi Cardrooms. Literally. Can we just say that? Can we please. I've noticed a lot of

people on the left calling other people Nazis lately. We just say that that roulette lessens the impact of actual Nazis. Yeah. Can we calm that language down a little bit? You know, it's I agree. I agree it it truly is calling someone a Nazis, National Socialists, so be careful. You know, the true Nazis were lefties. Yeah, because somebody likes you know, Trump or something like that. It's a little bit different than, you know, baby skin lampshades. And it's just

as journalists is journalists. Yeah. It's who use this these Nazis. Oh, yeah. I don't really get my hackles up about much of that. But that when it feels like it crosses a line, I think that just needs to kind of stop. Well, once they went all Hitler with Trump. I mean, it was the end of it. And that was seven years ago. It was seven years ago. So it has no way over the line now. Hold on one second. But did you see Trump's special announcement yesterday?

Somebody said, somebody sent me a thing is like it was it had to do with playing cards or something. He releases an NF T. Yeah. What the? I mean, I'm like, unless this is a long, long troll, which will wind up showing us how FTX and Sam bank win free you know, corruptly sent money to politicians. This is a dumb idea. Half the crap he does is a dumb idea. Um, so overhead. I mean, this is this. This was really like this was this head scratcher. That made sense.

I don't vote and I don't. And I don't know why if you don't vote, you don't get to complain. Right? I know what No, no, if I don't vote then then I'm not responsible for either one of them. So I get to complain. Okay, George Carlin. Okay. Yeah, sure. Sure. Yeah, anyway, just wanted to mention I thought, an NFT from anybody for anything at this moment is dumb

is stupid. And that's just a long line of stupid decisions that dude is make when the reason I said don't vote because when, when, when he first came in, I remember having a lot at least discussion when he first came in. I was like, Okay, I mean, the guys. He's got a lot of baggage, but he might, you know, it's always nice to see an outsider come in and you have this, this potential for them to like, you know, shake it all up, blow up the system, sort of. There's always that potential.

And like, that's, he's just completely he's blown all that crap up. It's just not working. He needs to go away. That's my personal opinion. Okay. Since you don't vote, I don't care about your personal opinion. matter. Doesn't matter. But I do think Christmas gifts. Oh, no. Your Christmas gifts are the best. It's an NFT NFT. Oh, goodness. Roi. scheinfeld 54,321 says through breeze and congratulations on the new fundraise. Looks like breeze.

Would they post four and a half million dollars. So they continue and raising in this environment? Cache flush with cash. Well, I'm just saying congratulations. That's not an easy thing to do. Yeah, especially if you're not if you're more kind of the nerd. And not really the you know, yeah, it must hate doing that. I get you enjoys it. I get to feel any of those two. He says his notice. Adam is on fire today. That was last week. My mouth was probably literally on fire last week.

He he messaged me this morning, I gotta figure out. I've got work to do. On researching noster lots of people are mentioning noster. And I've had a few. I've had a few discussions with Alex about it. But I just I've got to figure out there's so many protocols. This is the problem. It's just like it's just, you know, every five minutes there's a new open source protocol. It's exhausting.

I I've been hearing about nostre for quite a while. But I've been hearing about a lot of things for quite a while, you know matrix. Well, it was gonna be matrix matrix matrix. And then it was not matrix and then it was well it's gonna be we're going back to XMPP and it wasn't XMPP and then it's well it's not for this not for that and this is enlightening is bad and lightning is good and telegram. No. No hole punch hole punch. Oh, yeah. Hole Punch kids. Yeah, exactly. Well, it's still working.

It's still working out. Alison. Good thing this morning. Do you know it costs $200,000 to be on the on the like voting committee for the matrix. Well, hold us we're supposed running Foundation. And how do we get in on that action? Close down that GitHub. Hey, you want it? You want to vote with us? Namespace $200,000 We should charge for the bit tube seal to do a pull request. We'll charge 150 Yeah, the the tone wrecker

row sticks 1111. Sending a new boost through while hearing you guys read a past week's boost of mine seems to be a powerfully weird time warp of support. The boosted booster gram and full effect. I like it. Nice. S cot T Scott's in his 1800 SATs now note. Oh, Scott again with 2000 SATs no note. Boris kudelski Send us 1000 SATs he says thanks for Central European standard timezone on podcasts. index.org. Oh, yes, this was a fun. Not fun, not fun thing to

have to fix. His feed came through. And I didn't know I didn't have enclosures, right? No, it had to it had everything was right, except that it was blowing up the aggregator was blowing up when it tried to interpret the timezone in his pub date on his items, because he was tagging them as Central European Standard Time, but Central European standard time had already ended. Oh yeah, it was It wasn't triggering because of the whole

man. I hate that it was the day the date parser just blew up and was setting it to zero. So the the episodes actually were in the index but they had a zero date stamp so they were showing up back in 1970 So they just weren't showing off. We should just go to the blocks block height so much easier. Block idea. Dumpster Eagle send us a row ducks 2222 through any just says podcast index.org. Thank you already sent it through

breeze. We don't have a lot of booths today. So I'll just do I'll read a 2222 It says I love how it can be completely out of my depth on the subject matter and still enjoy this show. Some deaths from some quack. We're we're completely out of our depth too. But we enjoy the shows. We're just here to keep the scissors sharp. That's all and handout bandaids. Yeah, I just gave my opinion about Trump, which is completely uninformed and have no value to anybody. So that's it's open to

everybody. Brian, we agree on the NFT part for sure. Yeah. Brian at top tier audio 70. No one sets at the cast Matic app. And he says I think there is value in having the streaming option. But I think the ones in the industrial complex who are most interested in pushing for streaming instead of downloads actually want it to save a little own downloads that might not be required, but mostly so that it's impossible to skip ads? Ah, nah, we forgot about that, didn't we? Yep. The whole the

whole. This is one of the reasons why downloads had to go away is for the dynamic ad insertion to target people with new ads at the right moment. I'm sure. I'm sure it had something to do with it. Yeah, and and because they want more accurate. They know downloads are crap. They know that I be certified download stuff is a big complete joke. And so they want accurate stats,

they think they can get that through streaming stats. And that's also I think part of it. And it's just all it's just all a big, it's a quagmire that we just terrible. It's I mean, the thing with television ratings is it's probably not much more sophisticated. I mean, yeah, they have set top box data. But a lot of it is still diary based. And it doesn't matter because the cartel agrees on the number. You know, and it behooves everybody doesn't have to be accurate. It just has to be the

number. Yeah, as long as it's the number every single time and it correlates with whatever the number is. Being seen big huge swings, then you're like, Okay, whoa, you know, and then they added the, you know, plus one, or the I think plus 24. You know, they had plus number of days for people watching it after the fact on DVRs. But in case you hadn't noticed people that that model is not not working very well

either. And people are now starting to regret they're, you know, taking the $4 cheaper option of Disney plus or Disney probably I think Disney plus and getting the ads that people are regretting this now. Netflix, it's a lot of ads. We cancelled our Netflix, which don't even have it anymore. We never watched it and I will tell you Yeah, then you shouldn't use it at all.

Yeah, I'm not definitely not going back to ads. Ahlborn Citadel, no 1998 through fountain no note and another 1998 from otters over Citadel no note thank you all for citadel. The obrah Brian at top tier audio he sent he sent a couple more 1701 boosts Thank you Brian very much. It's the 2222 row ducks from Mike Dale. The VP of podcasting 2.0 Blueberry guy yes he says welcome back AC sounding good. Thank you very much. I try 6969 from Hey citizen through pod verse no note vache V A

KE 2500 SATs through fountain no note. A lot of no notes today. People just busy just they're so fast and it's time to write a note just loose. Loose just boost them already. Don't forget move on. Boost boost boost boost power boost boost. Nomad Joe 5000 SATs and he just says boost yo orchid hippo interesting name 5000 SATs through breeze oh that must be one of those autogenerated names. This is testing from breeze fountain just doesn't

work for me. It's really bad. Oh, that's comic strip blogger. And we bought your busted comic strip bargain through your

orchid hippo. Oh yeah, we Su Su pipe pipe CD sent us he's trying to he's trying to like a remote code execution Amir so as you're trying to change change directory on my drive, he's just trying to drop the episodes table from the database he sent through the boost CLI app he says Z 13 337 Omega leet boost he says the hottest OSI talk always happens at layer one yeah you know it does you know it does

can always add BGP see I let that go. Because you said we were talking CSMA CD, and you brought him BGP, which is actually layer two, so Oh, please. Sorry. He says Archie pod verse operations. Okay, thank you. Thank you. Let's see we had 25,000 SATs from WDS at RSS blue.com. Oh, thanks. Nice through breeze and he says greetings from Lithuania. I'm bringing new international lifestyle of visa vie to Eastern Europe. Well, at least for a few weeks.

Tina has half Lithuanian. Oh, I didn't know that half Mexican half Lithuanian well there's a combo yeah so she she can be a victim and an oppressor at the same time because you know, Lithuanian has kind of backup Russians you know, so she can be a Putin Putin lover and a victim of all things. Black and brown people she loves it. Whatever the situation. Whenever Whenever you need it, just switch it on. Yeah. Yeah. Rosie get over 100 sets. Yeah, he says Hey, guys, keep up the great work.

Thank you. Love from the cast Coverage team. 17 776 Mega, super Giga Liberty boost. Nice blueberry. He's the boost CLI. And he says I would like to share one of my favorite Bill Hicks quotes. Quote, do a commercial. You're off the artistic Roll Call. Every word you say a suspect you're a corporate whore and into the story. Unquote. Gah Yeah, that guy was pretty good.

The tone wrecker sent us 100,000 sets the breeze and he says haven't figured out any way to change music tag from rss.com hosting side yet for all the tone record tracks episodes boost. Oh man, can we set that for boost? I thought I thought that was possible. I thought he did into dashboard. He said he hadn't figured it out. So Dobby das you need to tell tone wrecker how to do that in the UI. Yeah. Can you do that as an rss.com?

Is that is that an RSS blue I thought is what he said we're just saying RSS rss.com hosting side see you looking at the rss.com RSS ping. Let's see tone recur ping Alberto on the podcast index dot social and ask him you may be able to do if it's not a supported tag that they have. They may be able to add it for you. Oh here he has his next boost. Which is also a booster gram which is also 100,000 SATs you get that one?

Oh yes. This found sovereign feeds to explore how my releases appeared when exported upping boost as Dave had mentioned altering the medium. There you go. Alright. Can you set that in sovereign feeds? The medium tag? Oh, that's most certain. I don't know. But I would have to think though. I'm gonna be right now. Yes, seems like seems like stables legs isn't there but I don't know. No, I don't actually see it yet. See? I know I know. Stephen bees are working on something.

Steve visa chat he's got I'm sure can you tell me where man just tell me where it's in the it's in there. No, but I want Steven B to say here's the page because I'm looking at it. And I've got the under shown under Show. Comic Strip blogger 33,015 sets through fountain and he says Dave and Adam, You are cordially requested to invite your listenership to put a duck cooking into any web browser or

podcast app of choice. There in you will find a podcast about artificial intelligence narrated by IMDb credited thespian Gregory Forman keep it 100 Yo are 100 Yeah, it's on the show info actually. Okay, show info. He also says everybody send a nasty note to your app developer. No, he does not say that. No, he just did. He just posted in public that we didn't even use my eyes my other ISO Damn it got a big boost. Where'd that come from? It came from Windows week. I got a big boost.

If only they knew what it meant. They know. I'm very, I'm very proud of what we've all done. I'm very proud of yet another fantastic year of development and excitement. We have invigorated the entire podcasting industry, we have put the podcast industrial complex on notice, we're coming for them. We're going to overtake their awards with our shaming lists, our value for value, it's going to trump anything they could ever make with advertising, we will crush you.

That was, yeah, that was that was like a Mel Gibson, and also and also, I will not conform to saying follow. I will not conform just because two thirds of the apps say it will not conform. We were here before they were this. I somehow knew that you were not going to go along with this program. Well, you know, I was I and actually, this brings me to

another thought. Would it make sense? So Apple has they they say follow this podcast, which in our world is subscribed, so you get episodes, and I think subscribe is an appropriate term for what is actually happening. Even under the hood, it's called subscribe, but okay, whatever. It's a subscription on. Web sub, I mean, all this stuff. It's all subscribed. But so they actually

have subscriptions, which is why they need to change it. Is that would it make sense for us to provide apple with a spot or Apple podcasters? who produce feeds that go into Apple? Do you have to do you have to also have your feed go be hosted with Apple when you use their subscriptions? Or can you surface those separately? Because I would say why don't we have a spot where if if you're able to subscribe to a premium show that you pay for through subscription on Apple? Why don't

we have that something that we can surface on other apps? Does that make sense? Are you talking about us? Like the namespace? Yeah. Yeah. Open Yeah, open subscription is something that we've been sort of trying to work out. I just want to involve them because you know, they're not really participating. But if how can we help them and show them the way I know that they're secretly using the TX T tag? Now? don't announce it. Please don't tell anybody you're doing

that big secrets. I want to give them more to us because they clearly don't seem to like chapters or transcripts or anything you know, they they hate they really hate people who have hearing problems with it. They just hate or bias I mean, they like despise the earth by not using pod ping the despise deaf people. I mean, I guess I guess we I don't know. Is it just too much pandering? Even for me? Probably Okay, then. Nevermind. Let's Yeah, yeah, screw those

guys. In our relationship with them is better when when we when we treat when we treat them like douche. Douche it's the best way. It's the love. It's this adversarial relationship that somehow produces beautiful things. It does actually. Yeah. And I liked the individual people we've interacted with from Apple Of course. Of course. It's just you know, how does how do they do things over there? Not Look, I don't mind. Yeah, I don't mean that. But they could be so legendary once again.

Decker. I love how you're saying the the literally the largest company in the world. They could be legendary. If they only did the things we wanted. Yes, exactly. In the funny, but I'm laughing because I did I don't disagree. Exactly. Hey, I'm no longer an Apple user of stuff. You know, I walked away for a whole bunch of reasons. If they embrace both podcasts and 2.0. Man, Apple could really put their name on the map. Yeah, right. You guys could be something someday, or yeah,

maybe even released your apple podcast app on Android. So you know, so James Cridland will have nothing to talk about at the end of next year. Well, I mean, I just know that we have another 100,000 SATs coming which is a good thing. Yeah, I haven't seen it. But that was in the bag. Well, it's in the bag. We forgot monthlies. Yes, Sir Alex gates the official podcast intrapreneur consultant $25 David Norman of hyper catcher. $25 powers the powers

the back end of the show? Sure does. Tim Hutchins, my buddy $25 I'll see Oh, Paul Saltzman $22.22 Derek J. Vickery. Great name $21. Terry Keller. $5. Soren Miller $5, Jeffery Rutherford, $5, Jeremy Kevin all $10 Chris cow and $5 Daymond, Cassie, Jack $15 and Jeremy gerdts $5. That's it.

Thank you all very much for your value for value contributions, you're helping the entire podcast and 2.0 ecosystem, keeping it running, keeping it alive in the most honest way we know, which is without any venture capital, money, any type of advertising or sponsors or corporate money, and a complete vow of poverty from Adam and Dave, so we're happy to do that.

And thank you very much for supporting everything. Something I had a fleeting thoughts, which I can't quite recall, should have anything to do with transcripts, addition, additional properties on the transcript tag for auto tagging, when something is auto generated. That's exactly what it was done. You heard a new voice. I kind of liked I liked this idea that it was interesting. Whenever Whenever I see James post, while I was talking to a company, I'm

like, Okay, what does the company want? And so what the company wanted was some tagging of whether, I guess the accuracy is mainly about the accuracy and about the not stealing and what else? That's, that's that seemed like it to me, because it all revolved around the accuracy to keep people off your back in case it misses a word. And did the licensing deal understand the license part? Well, the point is, I do because see, when you live fully value

for value, you don't care. Let me explain. We have always said on no agenda, go ahead copy anything you want copy the show distributed it put it on CDs, cassettes, this USB sticks, you know, we had people may remember those little you could do a little drop a drop box that were you know, you you could plug it into a wall somewhere in a in a coffee shop and provide a hotspot that would only have like a file available for download. And what was this little then you have the little

note said drops? Yeah, well, no agenda CDs, we had 10s of 1000s of those. But also like to know agenda shop. It's like, hey, just don't put our faces on it. Now, no agenda and any logos. That's all fine. If you want to put curry DeVore I can No, that's just us. But anything else? Go for it. We know have no contract. They worked out stuff where the artists, they donate from time to time, please take all of what we have derivative works. Anything's okay. That's the full on. And that's, you

know, that is in the vein of RSS. It's all open. Here it is. I'm putting it out there for you to render it. Yes. Well, we do. Yes, what we do on the show, but when you are suspicious of people benefiting? So I think what I read into it was hey, if people show up and use our service, and they get really good transcript, we don't want Google taking those and using those for themselves. That's, that's what I read. Yeah, that's

what I read. That's what I read. Yeah. Now it's almost like, the next thing I expected was, we want to flag for DRM for transcripts. I was kind of kind of expecting that. brand safety. We want a brand safe. Oh, yeah, we didn't. Oh, yeah, brand safety tag would not be great. But a Garm would put a Garm code in it or whatever. They got the I think we should have an ESG tag. Let's just put it in there. So we can just throw an ESG rating for this podcast. It

what's the scale? zero to five, five stars. zero to five is completely arbitrary. Just like Uber you know. So everyone will basically have three and a half stars. That's That's how it always winds up. You went up to four, five stars. If you're listening to this podcast, please subscribe wherever you get your podcasts and rate us five stars. Now this is a great Oh, this is actually a great idea. This is a really good idea because you you can rate it based on if you're fake. This.

Got it. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Genius is coming. So this guy is not Lex Friedman. Who's Tim Ferriss. Do you know who? Tim Ferriss? Yes, of course. Okay. So his feed. I've never listened to the show. I didn't realize that he had been around long enough to have this much content. No. Yeah. But I've just heard his name. This guy's got his his feed is 22 megabytes. Try. It's gigantic. Yeah. It bit like broke that

aggregated. We have a 24 bit of a 24 megabyte limit on what we parse it And so it's like you know decompressed and all that stuff after you've after it's all said and done it was like tuned a little over 24 megabytes. And so I had to go fix it, you know, because this is stupid. And then so like, there you go, there's your issue here. ESG is like if you're Oh,

there he is. If it's more than five megabytes demerit, you get a demerit is that if you if you don't use pod thing another demerit yeah free Yes yes. Now if you have no no wait a minute where are we surfacing this in the feed yesterday just right just right in the feed it's got to be labeled clearly in podcast as right there over on top of the show or nothing but a bunch of white guys on the on the on the art you know, another demerit? Oh man, massive demerit. That's right. Yeah. Now you're into

your to star show at this point. So bye. Bye, Felicia, you're out. I love this idea. Oh, okay. Well, what a positive way to end our board meeting. We are just, we're going to slam people for the ESG scores. And both in your feed and in public. I'm so proud of us, Dave? Is the TSG. The PSGs. But seriously, great work on pod pink 2.0. I'm very excited about this. How can I promote this? And how can we roll this out a little further? And who are we targeting?

I wrote a blog post this week we can about the live the LIVE TAG how to how to be live, how to be live. Yeah. And I, I mean, that's the thing is we got to have more, we've got to have more adoption on the hosting side to make this easier. Right, that ace is hard to promote. If you can't, if the pieces aren't there. I'm waiting for that first host to jump in and give the soup to nuts. Have the whole so what is needed? Is the live streaming endpoint and chat room.

Do you mean you could don't really even have to have the chat room you could do? You could go live just with the just with the tag and a pod pain? Yeah. Kind of cool. Yeah, sure. But we have the chat capability in there, just for sure. For sure is like I think we have to so this is this is why I sort of stopped anything else for the moment and started working on the 100% Retro feed. Because if if we can get that thing working that's alive, beautiful demo of what's possible.

Oh, and being able to Oh, yes. And they're ready. They're ready. Like we can have Kim wild promoting our stuff. Oh, nice. Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So it's a great demo. And we can have the end. It's like it's a demo of the full complexity. Like it's not like this cheesy, simple sandbox demo like that has the whole shebang in it. You know, it's got you know, how you value boost you got, you know, the live thing we could throw it you know, it's got the chat room. It's got

everything in it. For the full monty. Yeah. And so and we'll have all all these different pieces firing off in automatically based upon the like, when Kim Wilde comes on. It'll be Kim wild Yeah, alive. 100%. Retro, but yeah, but what I want is I want her reading booster grams. For sure, but we'll make that happen. It's really an interesting project. And I have to say for a couple of dudes like us we do sing along with a lot of those songs when we're listening to it.

It's the curse I have all my there's no more room in my head. It's all song lyrics from 80s and 70s. All that it is. Alright, brother. So we have now next is let me see what is next week one just Christmas. Is it? Are we doing a show on next Friday? I mean, a board meeting. Sorry. I'll be here. Yeah. I mean, I'll be here. I just want to see what is. Oh, it's 2030 Okay, perfect. No, perfect, perfect. And then after that. It's a 30. So that's perfect that we get to skip anything.

Yeah, good. We got Cridland on the 30th we're going to do we're going to do a bash cred lunch. I mean, I mean an end of year show. will be prepared. James. We're excited to have you on none and now it'll be fun. Oh, we did I mean, we had to have a mon just so we have like a you know some pretense in order to collect your money? Yes, exactly. Although I think I boosted five times that amount just in the past month to their show. No easily. Become I'm

boosting last but I'm boosting big I'm going big. I'm boosting big these days. I'm boosting big makes me feel Good. Yeah. I want to hear my name on the podcast. We don't have a guest for next week. I guess it's just the two of us. We should have somebody on though. No, like it's it's too close to Christmas. We get it as they share the love. Well, let me let a little Christmas party. Okay, let me think about let me think about who we can invite

for for Christmas. Just just our pre Christmas eggnog that day I might have eggnog. Well, well, Russia. Hey, how about a beef eggnog better. Alright, brother, have a great weekend. Take care everybody. Thank you very much for being here at the board meeting for podcasting 2.0. You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 to visit podcast index.org For more information