Episode 112: Respect The Splits

Oh, podcasting 2.0 for December 9 2022 Episode 112 Respect the splits. Board members Hello, assessors. Hello, witnesses up there in the stand. Welcome to podcasting. 2.0 The official board meeting of podcasting 2.0 Find out what's going on with the podcast namespace. Everything at podcast index.org. And of course, all the shenanigans of podcasts index dot social. It's on the fediverse I'm Adam curry here in the heart of Texas Hill Country and an Alabama. Here's the pings

to every woman's You can't lie to me like that. He's the pod to every woman's paying say hello to my friends come together. And ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones. Still can't help it. What happened? I stepped out for one moment and mayhem mayhem mayhem, I tell you, the chat room go that goaded me that goaded me into. That was no. So that you have to understand that arrangement of

my house. Where our podcast from the room that I podcast in is, is directly across the hall, this little short hallway from the bathroom where I go to the little podcasters room for the show. Okay, so I am like, okay, Adams going I'm done with my tweeting and tooten I'm gonna go over here to the to the to the bathroom. Oh, in NP before the show. And you had the door open and the mic on?

Oh, yeah. I mean I didn't know both doors were closed but we have very thin walls in the nose like I get back I get back and blueberries like lol in any says the stream is strong with this. So I'm just like, given every tweet out here less shows love and then everybody tunes I didn t stream I think we have just received some audio. This is a live stream in every sense of the word. So Oh, goodness. Okay. Early. Yeah,

you get the full string. Well, for those who are using one of those handy dandy podcasting 2.0 apps with notifications, which is one pod verse, pod verse will notify you that we're live and you can we do some reliably informed Good. Well, of course, PR curio caster has all the features, but doesn't have the alert system at being web based. And there's another one coming up. Yeah, fountain city is going to do it. Oh, I did not yet. I'm sure he wants to do it to know how far

they were those everyone's working on stuff, man. There's a lot of work to do an app. You get. You gotta you gotta go heads down and and get some in start right and write some code. It's not easy. Not easy at all. And let me tell you, so let me tell you something. So Tina and Tina switch to fountain. Some time ago. She was number she was a big pod friend user. She liked pod friend a lot that she liked the whole experience. So she moved to another she's my

canary in the coalmine. Mine is looking at what what she's doing. And I think the most recent release came out and I said, Oh, hey, you know, there's a update, just make sure that fountain is updated so that you get that and she says, yeah, they sure needed. That was about time. I'm like what? Oh, hater. What you know, here's what I've noticed. Typically, I think it's by default that, you know, that fountain will stream the podcast. I don't think it downloads at first, I'm not

quite sure what the cache is on that. But for sure, there are spots in the house where and actually when she's driving, she's driving from Fredericksburg to Austin, there's going to be a spot somewhere where you just kind of lose your your cell phone connection. It's you know, it's this hill country, Texas. So there's a couple of spots where

it may drop out. Immediately fountain sucks. So what So is the I heard Marco in a recent podcast saying that if he could do anything over again, when it comes to writing overcast, he would eliminate streaming and just do download only? And 100% agree with that. I'm 100% I totally agree with that. I mean, because he like the the building I work in. Every time I go into the elevators, the elevator or a stair with the stairway shaft that cinderblock.

I lose, I lose connection. So like I hate it. I mean, it's like it drives me nuts. The whole promise of podcasting was that you get the full delivery ahead of time, so that you don't have to worry about well let now let's be honest about it, because the only thing that really changes that is the notification system. So if Marco decides tomorrow, like, Okay, why don't I just not notify anybody until it's automatically downloaded onto your device?

Problem solved. I mean that that is the true way to solve it. And I think that should be an endless that's the, as you write the original blog post was the original. The original concept is have it ready for me? When I'm ready. And let it come to me. There should just be it's very simple, just an old school toggle mode. It's like, Hey, you want to you want to this old school and the way it was intended. And they will just notify the people after it's downloaded. And it's an auto

download situation. That's all I don't think it's a hard thing to implement. I don't know why. People, some people seem to be just a real, real download haters, they just really want they think the whole thing should be streamed. This is OCD people. And I will say that Tina is probably one of those if she knew about it, if you said hey, by the way, all these episodes that are unlisted, too. They're actually sitting there on your drive in your memory not being used.

She's Dave, Dave, my wife deletes text messages. Probably I don't know, she's one of those. Hey, hey, don't be a hater. There's a lot of she's like those. It's I think it's a woman thing, too. It's cross gender. Gender. Like you go, there's so many things, these are the same. I'm going to predict I don't know this for sure, I'm going to predict that Tina also flicks her apps to kill them out of memory. Oh, 100 100%. But it's not five min. But it's not to get it's not to get them

out of memory. It's just to clean things up. For real, she also will delete photos off her phone. And yeah, I rarely don't need this don't need this one. This is why and what she keeps is very necessary. But you know, know, your customer, people know your customer here. Yeah, I think there's a lot of a lot of assumptions being made, which makes an ass out of you and me a lot of assumptions about how people use this stuff. And as we know from the data that female listeners women, I think is what

the term is used. A lot of them listen on just a website with a web player. So know your customers here. Female listeners also known as well. You gotta you gotta hate whatever the data was. You want to have it correct. I don't think it was the same women and female listeners apparently not the same in the data anymore. So just saying. So let me know. Like, I haven't. We haven't even done an episode in like three weeks. So what how great. I need a girl report. How's the grill

the grill? The grill is doing fine. So it was kind of severe, the whole thing was a five and a half hour operation, or procedure, I should say. was interesting that they use fentanyl on me which didn't work all that well, because I kept waking up. And they kept saying and we have enough immunity to kill an elephant to kiss ChatOps go to sleep. They didn't use the Mexican fentanyl. They use the mill. He's the bargain basement. So are you Irish? I said no, I'm not Irish, red, red hair, red

hair and the family. No, no, yeah. Because you know, gingers have no souls and no. Others and typically, you know, that's a that's a genetics that people need two to three times the amount of sedation. And then we just all chalked it up to my education in Amsterdam, you know, I might have some high tolerance for some reason. You're hitching. Brene Brown bringing the lowlands in general, it feels like I was hit by a bus and real slow motion. So you know, the impact is

there. I don't really know what's happening. Then three days later, your whole face swells up. Now it's gone down, I can actually start to eat some solid food and very small bites. And now I'm feeling the soreness of where they put these temporary three millimeter screws to help my bone grow before they go with a full. That's titanium. It's very cool technology. Right? Yeah, that's the same thing that same thing grants gotten his leg got to touch.

Exactly. And they enter they take some of your Bloods and pig blood and some other crushed up bones or something from some witch doctor in New Orleans as a witch's brew. And then they paste that all over and actually that's a plate on my on my bone. And then this will grow. That's where the two screws are. Then the bone will grow around that plate. And then in a couple of months, they can drill some titanium posts in there and put my real teeth in. In the meantime, be I spent a lot of

time effort and funds to create a temporary set. That sounds good. Oh yeah. You sound zero different. You sound no different at all. Just like you always did yesterday, the tarp flipped out at the end of no agenda. I mean, literally, it landed on the on the podcast decimal point. And no, no, yes. I finished it without the tarp and there was a little difference. It's like those little chatter teeth, toys for teeth.

But what they are, is they you know, the use of vampire teeth you buy for Halloween, you slip them over your own, it's exactly like that. Except they're only slipped over the two canines, upper and lower because there's nothing more in the middle. I know less Billy Bob. You know, the front teeth. Exactly. Ladies, I know. It's a visual that just gets you all hot and bothered. I know. But, you know, they're basically 3d printed. And so I got it. Ah, because it's one piece. I'll have to

ask. I'll have to ask my guy. I should know but it you know, it's all compute. It doesn't right there in the office. And so I'm thinking now now that this fits, because you know, get it it's very precise. I made it fit right away. And of course, you do have to put a little bit of Geriatric paste on it to keep it in, which lasts 24 hours, hence the don't go long on the podcast, they might pop out. In fact, I got about two and a half hours before I'm do

what you asked me how long we wanted to give. Yes, exactly. I want to know, do I have to reapply before the show? We're at the 15 minute mark, I gotta get my colleague or whatever. It's exactly what it is. It's, it's so it's so harsh. It is Polly dent. Literally. I'm thinking maybe I can get an endorsement deal from him. Anyway, I totally can. Yeah, so I want to see can I can I get a QR code version with a QR code? You know, 3d printed? Can I get one with literally would like

some some gold grill? I mean, there's you interchange them, you know, it's gonna be a couple of months. And they were How about just real fangs, like, real code. Imagine this QR code is the missing, you know, like, the black and the white blobs of the QR code are just missing teeth. Like, you know, I was thinking because when you know, these, these teeth look amazing. People had no idea these were temporaries like, they're like really, if you look really close, you see

that they're not actually separated. But if you sent me a picture and they looked really real true. Yeah. Because a lot of times what you see with do with the like partials and temporaries and stuff are is that they make they sit unnaturally some people's lips like kind of pushed by poof out. But it didn't look like like these look totally normal.

Yeah. If I should they're well aligned so I can put them together and that could and then all the whole teeth could have a full QR code in four quadrants. With with error correction. Speaking of as we move into some more important stuff other than my face, I had the presentation meeting with Ibex today I BX these are the these are the kids who are doing the Satoshi receiving Satoshi lightning and sending it to the company in Fiat for no agenda.

So give me give me the guy is Can you reveal the report with the minutes public for this? I actually I tweet Yes, I can. Actually a tweet tweeted, I tweeted a QR code and and it works right now you can it's basically an ln URL. And where did you Where did you turn you turn it on? I did a I did a Yeah, I did a reboot on podcast index or boost

I should say. So yeah, anyway, it works because people are sending it to me and you can even have a link that creates a link or QR code that has a predetermined amount so you know exactly the kind of stuff hopefully I'm gonna give this to Devorah because that's the same way he uses PayPal when he does

a link for the newsletter or something like that. And then people will be able to donate with lightning and for tax purposes because we know there's issues and reasons while we don't want to have Bitcoin hitting a no agenda account it is settled in in Fiat in the currency of your choosing right into the bank account through what is it the overnight automatic ACH what does that yeah the yeah the wire transfer. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's what it's called. It's called something else.

What's so what is what is this QR code? What am I what am I seeing here this Ellen URL but for how what you can use to hit it with strike and it doesn't do anything? No, it may not work with strike or cash app. It's uh, you need you need breeze or What else? Do we have? Blue wallet or wild of Satoshi? Okay, I'll let them breathe. And I'll try. Yeah, breeze will do it. So it's basically just an open send send money.

Yeah. So it's an open donation. And what's cool about it is you put in, I mean, it's, it's nothing, it's nothing special, the special part is on the back end that you can determine it 100% Or a sliding scale of how much you want paid out and Fiat. And that's, that's the thing. That's, that's good here, because this is what a lot of people want. And it's much easier for your accounting you have, you have a little spreadsheet export, which is perfect, just like heli pad. And

it's only 1% fee. I think that they're charging. Yeah, that totally went through with breeze. 1000 1000 SATs. Yeah, awesome. Yeah. So so the next step is to make it case and enabled. So that's what they're working on now. So then then we can use it as in the value block and talk about it in the value block on our agenda. Hello, hello, this is why I'm doing it for this. So beautiful. I love it. And the third, which will take a little bit more thought and

discussion. And of course, the elusive Bolt 12 would help but no will when hell freezes over is some kind of subscription type mechanism. And with that, I mean recurring payment, not subscription. And I there's, this has become a thing that is, is floating around about having recurring payments done by a service. Right, I'm hearing different versions of it, and I think is becoming really, really confusing. So that's, uh, you want to delve into that.

But I'd love to hear your your what you're thinking about it, because you know what I'm talking about. Right? It's like, yeah, absolutely. Why do you I mean, I do this. So I mean, I'm I would be hypocritical if I said that, that, you know, sending automated payments is, is BS. I mean, like I cron job payments to, to shows that I listened to. And the odd reason about the reason I do it, can I ask you a question before you continue? Yes. Do you use

all of the splits in the value block when you do that? I do not. Okay, so this is my problem. This is, that's where I have a problem. Yeah, I do not, I do not do that I quickly hacked it together. And it's been on my radar to go back and do it that way to like

to modify it to where I'm doing it the right way. But when there and the correct way, right way is to do it with a you query the value block as it currently stands, and then, and then send just like a normal pay of value for value, lightning payment to all to all splits all receivers, Bob. And so I hacked this together because I went through a period. And this happens to me so often, every so often, where it gets so busy, that I can't, I

just don't have time to listen to two shows. And so I went you know, three weeks without listening to the intergalactic boombox. And then I was like, you know, I've got to, I gotta make, I want to make sure that I'm at least supporting these shows that I love, because I don't want my lack of luck, what I want is for when I return to that show, for it to still be there. And that means you got to support

this is not this is a very good point. And that was the point that the devil's advocate raised on on the pod news weekly, is that people definitely want to make sure that you have ongoing revenue, even if you the listeners tuned out and I think it's fantastic. I think that's really the only thing I would want is a it has to be open, voluntary from the sender side

and it has to respect the value block. Otherwise, you know, that's I mean, that those are the things and that's I think it's a great idea. Yeah, that's exactly what it's for on my side. I'm just doing it the wrong way. Yes, shame on you. I know. And I feel ashamed, I feel a bit deep but I did I had my own discovery because on the Umbral now they have something called the oak oak node and I think I may have installed you're gonna saw that

I mean, it's it's really it's very, very cool. And it uses something called Bikram so instead of using a clock, it uses the the kind of block clock of Bitcoin, the estimated every 10 minutes being being a block and you can sketch It has little handy calculator. So you don't have to think how many blocks it will be to do a daily or a weekly or a monthly recurring payment. And actually tried it out I sent. I think I sent like, was it 10,000 or 24,000 SATs so 1000 SATs an hour to James

Cridland, which he never acknowledged by the way. I'm looking at and I'm looking because yeah, you can schedule that. And interestingly, one payment failed. I see one payment failed, I think, easily a thing that could be done by a fountain or Alby just hanging out, and I wouldn't be able to know and I would gladly pay them a 1% fee on top of this to facilitate and automate

right on, I think that's the way it should be. And then as long as we're respecting the value block, which would be a guest retrieved through the GUID or if it's not if it's not in a podcast app, but if it's in an app already, then you already know what podcast it is. I would support that, too. I think it's

a great idea. But I just want to make sure that people don't get ahead of themselves, because it's already go and we're going to integrate this and that's it but not seven, SM se like it has to be like you have to sign a document that they can take it from you. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, there's not going to work this the wrong way around. We don't know contracts. That's no, no. So I would say breeze could do this too. In its future incarnation. I don't think they

could do it now. But like when they on their next generation of service? They could do this too. I would think absolutely. Yeah. You know, as you'll have like an always on now there are people are going to developers have to start thinking about stuff. Because you know, it's real easy to drain a wallet if you if you mess something up, you know, so the UX and, and taking all stupid use cases into account I think is important. Sup Yo sup? In the chat room, he says maybe setting a monthly set

donation limit, like a million set. So I don't I just see what he's saying. And I think that's also another possibility. Of course, you can say like, there could be like, so we've talked about just pure V for V at the moment, you send a vault, you send a manual payment each time. And then we've talked about like, setting a per minute amount, and then it goes up to a

certain limits and stops. Well, the the the sort of third variation of that, is that you say, Okay, I want to send, let's just say 50, set a maximum of 75,000, or 100,000 SATs for this particular show that you like a lot each month. And at the end of the month, if it's not, if you haven't sent it all, it just sends it sends the rest of it. Yeah, that's another that's a third option. I mean, it's, it's, it's clearly a podcast app feature, a wallet

feature. It could be it could be a service, which would be some kind of custodial thing. I mean, there's a lot of different ways to do it. I really liked the oak node. And I just haven't gotten around to but I made a note to myself to reach out to the oak node folks and say, Hey, exact same thing. Only I want to get

it, you know, just hook it up to this API. And I want to be able to select the podcast, select the do all the rest of the stuff, and then just in and just let it go from my from my current wallet or whatever it is. Good speaker. Speaking of splits for a minute, can we throw I would like to put in Alex gates for 5% For this episode and Steven crater for 5% you down with them? Of course, because Alex helped me it's so much dig with the pod pain dot cloud stuff he I want to give him some

documentation again, of course, right? Stephen is like the he's like the left hemisphere of my brain. Like he just does things before I even know that I want that I need to do them. He'll come up and just like eMERGE some pull requests and like, Oh, crap, thanks. I didn't do we have lightning addresses for these gents? Yeah, I'll get them for you. Okay, yeah. But that's I just didn't want to forget that. But that's, I think that's I think all of those things are on

the table. All those variations of V for V isn't the V 50. It's a part of the spirit of values values that it's well it's voluntary and overspent yes and open Yeah, exactly. So So monthly if I choose to send you monthly a specific amount Well, I miss my choice and that's just as fun as doing it any other way. You know Roi. Roi of breeze he he tweeted, let me see what he tweeted here. He tweeted about the millions Yeah, status screen

from from his breeze account. He says hashtag V For V works, I've boosted over 1 million SATs to podcasts index.org show this year, which is more than any subscription I have. And it's true. It's about the it's about the open net. It's like, Ah, it's the open nature of it. It's the open nature of the you will have people who give 10,000 times more than then then 90% of the other. But it starts to equal out stick with it people. I listed new media show live the other day. Yeah,

I missed them. They were they just gone off air. And I'm like, oh, man, I missed him. Yeah. Boosted him because I was like, finally, finally it worked. Yeah. It was like, Yay, there's just this this sort of like sense of euphoria. And I wanted to be part of the show. Yes, exactly. That's so true. So true. But the cloud working good. By the way, the new version rolled out. Well, yes, sir. That was five in the pipe. That was actually first on my top of my list is pod pink 2.0.

You've been heads down with Alex Of course. And and Stephen crater on the on the transcriber. Dude, tell us what's going on what's happening seems like everything is working, what has changed? Do we need to know or just it says what it does was says on the tin. Some of that, I mean, like some of the stuff at the internals is

interesting. So the, the, it was a long way to go on the back end, just to get a little bit, just just to get something small on the front end, like in so like, what we needed was the ability to send pod ping dot cloud. And let me let me briefly review me, let me go by please. And pod. So pod paying you, you send your ELS to it. And then people can watch the pod ping system and, and see those URLs within a few seconds after you

send that and do whatever they want. Right. And so there's right now there's one backend writer and that's for the hive blockchain. So we what we need it that's a complex thing to do, no matter what Brian says, that is a hard thing to do. What is yeah, what is the hard thing to do the high the high, getting set up with hive, posting keys and setting up the, the script to

the hive writer. And I was like, that's, that's not for the it's not something that you just jump into without knowing know, which, which is why we had a basic endpoint, right that people could hit. Yeah, so we started, that's what poppin dot cloud was meant to alleviate all the pain of onboarding. So we do all that on the back end, as sort of a master host. I mean, you can either run your own Mastodon or you can fire up a $10 month

master dose. So that's what we're doing, we're doing the pot where so poppin dot cloud is the front end to the to the complexity of the back end of what popping really is on the public on blockchains. And whatever else we do in the future, which should be a gossip. So I've been other IPFS things. So that that's what popping cloud is. So a read of the original incarnation of it was you send, you just send the feed URL, all you're doing is you're letting the in the world know

that data, right. And now we have reason codes, I think origin there's a new format that that comes along with this 2.0. So we have two extra URL parameters and pod bean dot cloud. So you sit you still send your URL equals the feed URL. Now you can also send two extra parameters with that. Reason equals and then a reason code. And those reason codes are either live update, or live end. And there will be new ones in

the future. And you all can, you can also send a medium. And the medium is there's like medium equals all the available mediums that are listed in the podcast namespace. And then some that are that are new that are coming that are the L versions of those mediums, which are lists. And this is to save people the hassle of looking up what medium said feed would contain. Well just get it right away. It's it's more of a dis the medium aspect of this looks,

looks down. Looks down field a little bit. So you're it's more of a heads up to an app. So imagine in the future, right? If switch switch, switch to music. We got music incoming. Yeah, yeah, right, exactly. So that's what I mean. So instead of them having to determine that they get the information right away can switch UI. And they can Yeah, they can. They'll like if this if this app really only cares about live music. You you want them to be

able to filter that always out right? In only see music streams that go live. So, so just adding those two URL parameters that that seems like a small thing, but it ended up being a big a big lift. No kidding. Because the front end, Alex had to re engineer the back the back end. And I needed to re engineer the backside of the front end to speak. Cam proto over these over the socket.

Okay. And just briefly, because I remember you were very excited about Captain proto along with your captain crunch in the morning. So what exactly this is Captain Pro? Let me ask you this. Has Captain proto lived up to your expectations? Oh, 100% 100%. What's the one time all right i So it totally has. You. So you, you're familiar enough with? Like TCP sockets, right? Yeah. So imagine that you imagine I have Mission video Computer A and computer B, and open a TCP socket between

the two. Now what you just have it you have you have? You have a pipe? And you can put anything through that pipe? Yes. There's no, nothing is gonna keep you from doing from sending anything and everything over this pipe? Which is chaos. You have to agree on a protocol. Yes, to some degree. Yeah, you have to

see, see buffer overflows, see how this chaos works. So you, you have to agree on a protocol on both ends of the pipe, the protocol, we agreed to, in the first iteration of pod paying dot cloud, was that all that's going to come through the pipe is going to be an A null terminated a new line terminated URL? String. That's it. That's all you get the pet the dog, you know? Yeah, I'm there. I'm gonna get I'm going to receive it. And

then I'm going to send that over to the back end writer. Well, we now if you got reasons and mediums and stuff was just, what are you going to come up with a stupid copy? No, like complex String, String thing where you have like, comma separated or something like that? No, that's this, this crazy. So. So Alex was like, let's let's use Captain proto, which will allow us to create types, typed messages, strongly typed messages, that has enums in it, integers, strings, you know,

whatever. And so that's what we did, we created, he created a schema, using the captain proto message form a strongly typed message format. So we're gonna now we're passing those back and forth. And it's beautiful. It's beautiful. It's so efficient. So crack open a colon. And so we, we, we had this thing working. But it was, it was slow. Like, it was like, the problem here is

the is the Z MQ, which is the which is the pipe. We're using the Z MQ socket, doesn't handle multi threading, who will on the rusts on the rusts. IDE, and I don't know if that's a limitation of the C library that has this wrapped? I don't know. But but you get, it's just not where it doesn't work? Well, we were limited to just a single thread, right? And so what's going to happen, you know, what you have to do is you have to

send a message, and then you have to wait for a reply. So something is going to block each time, like you're going to be waiting to either send or reply, or receive. So there's this this weird, it was just really slow to finally we were like, we kept debating this and making little small incremental improvement

improvements. And then also, and then I was like, okay, look, this is what I'm going to do, every time we send for every URL, I'm also going to attempt to receive, and I'm going to set a 500 millisecond timeout on the receive, so it waits for half a second. And if it doesn't get a reply, it just moves on and sends the next one. Okay, that started working really well. And then, and then Alex. And I was like, Okay, this is great. I

mean, we're sending like, This is going really fast. And then Alex was like, Oh, you don't need these like you 500 milliseconds wait too long. He's like just said for, like, 10 milliseconds. So I dropped the thing down to 10 milliseconds. Oh my god. It was like, we threw 10,000 phase out and it was one of these things. It's 30 seconds. It was amazing. And so So then, of course, then we get addicted to and we start thinking today Alex is like don't 100 Edit, go, go go and

100,000 feet 100,000 phases. thing and Brian's asleep in Israel. He wakes up the next morning and his little chart thing looks like, you know, it looks like a bomber, you know, attack the city, because he's, you know, he's stats chart. And he's like, Oh my God, what did y'all do? Like we ran the test net out of resource credits or whatever that means and all this kind of stuff. And as I was throwing 200,000 at it, in the end, he was like, brown welcome was like you, whatever you did

don't ever do that again. Anyway, what does that actually do on Brian's and what did it did? What did that do? It just basically just, like, blew the hive thing up. I mean, like, it was just like rocking that thing. Like, it's fast, it was saturated as fast as it would go the blockchain. So we're basically we could not feed it any faster. So our our side is as efficient as it can get is what that translates

into. So then you just multiply that times we have five, five, load balanced wrapping cloud hosts, right, right, you know, and we can go, we can go 25,000 Feed URLs, you know, a minute. So these now these the pod Pink Dot cloud hosts, those are just regular servers that are Pat, they're synced together that are serving that to each other what exactly is happening on just so I understand is hive still the backbone of the system? Yeah, yeah, it is. So we have we have five servers. And we have

and each one of them has their own set of posting keys. So each, all five of them can post simultaneously. And it just gets load balanced between every request and where do they post they post into the into the hive blockchain. Yes, around. That's right. Yeah. So but one of the RE architecture, one of the aspects of this re architecture is we want to also have, we want to do other backends. So we want to have, like IPFS gossip sub. And also, I want an object storage IPFS gossip sub?

Yes. So it's like Pub Sub over IPFS. It's using live lib p2p protocol. So yes, that thing I showed you I gave you. It's is that anything like this hole punch, keep business similar. I don't know enough about a hole punch to know what that even is yet. Me neither. It's like, I set up a room, everyone joined. And that was the end of the test. And I'm still in there like, hello, hello. anybody doing anything here? My buddy Tim. He's really good. He's been sending me stuff about

key in hole punch for a few months. He's really into it. And that's the first time I've have been in a room. And like seen it because someone sent sent that to me. And the message was like, Excuse me. It was like, pull punch. Check it out. This is what cross app comments. file hosting. Everything will be on

this in the future. Like okay, I'll check that out. Now, I you know, it's basically a messaging system that ties into lightning and some DHT, which is distributed hash tables, I think DHT space. That's it. That's the thing is I don't it ties into lightning for micro payments, but it doesn't use lightning for his communication. No, no, it's just in there. Just and I was glad. Yeah, when I, when I first saw it, I was like, oh, no, they're

gonna try to use Lonnie for chat, which is not good. But yeah, so I mean, we want to have this stuff. Were you able to play that file I put in there. Oh, I didn't see a file. It was a player. It was a no agenda episode. Oh, I hadn't you haven't? I didn't see it. Oh, it will still up on my screen on my other computer. It was probably in there before. Before you logged in, I don't know. I don't understand. I don't understand why. I like it.

If it's true, but you know, I like IPFS too. There's all kinds of cool stuff. Alright, so it's open now. So it can be other back end. Interesting. All right. Good. Yeah. Yep. So and hopefully and I think that's necessary. I mean, because yeah, you know, you never want all your eggs and eggs in one basket and you want to diversify. So we're gonna, I want I want that object. I want to have it on object storage every you know, every few seconds to read a new object storage block. You know,

tell me about the object storage because that's what you want. So I'm paying extra attention to maybe it's a stocking stuffer or something and get you for under the tree. Tell me what you want. Give me an s3 bucket and my stock. Yeah, that's yeah, that's

the basically just just in a bucket. You know, like an a public bucket goes back like they may have like the last Half a million blocks of feed URLs day, and somebody can just watch you know that if it because, you know, I mean none of these, I still don't I still understand what blocked object storage is. Well, so I mean object storage is just like s3 bucket s3. I gotcha, I gotcha.

So we'd have a, we'd have a file that just rotates every, you know, every few seconds, that has a new that has the new stuff, and then people could just pull it if they wanted to. It's funny to think about, you know, there's no need just thinking about all these different options. It's funny you say that, because, you know, I've always been like an object storage guy. I always like the idea of tiny files in folders that you can, you know, access easily. It's just, it's so easy

to kind of maintain. And I installed something that I popped up on the Umbral, maybe it always been there. It's called Trillium, t r i, L I, um, so it's one L, that's critical, because there's some other things out there with Double L. And this, what is it, and it's, well, it's a server. So you can access it through a web browser, but you can synchronize, I think they have a I know they have a Windows client, I'm using an A Linux client and some experimental Mac note, no

mobile. And it's, it's kind of like freedom controller for the rest of my life. And as I delve into it more, I realize it's actually frontier, in but written in proper database, with modern with modern languages, because it's outliner based, and the nodes can have properties. And the nodes can also run JavaScript. So you can you can run and compile a JavaScript that does stuff as it makes the application useful. And it has a database back end. And it actually integrates almost

perfectly with freedom controller. Were it not that the export of all versions of OPML that they claim is 2.0? It's not Yeah, you know, it doesn't include include the link property, it's all and of course, which is like, it's so close, you're so close to the property of the note, and they have their own properties to all kinds of source, it's open source. And, and it's, it's, it's, I got to tell you, man,

this thing has changed the way I organized myself. Because you know, an hour Lilla you know, don't want L one, l one l look, it's endless, because I understand outliners. And so it lets me work, it has all kinds of good shortcuts and tools for Outliner, which really is creating, you know, having a UI for creating different types of nodes. So there's a node that becomes a folder node, that's a link, a node that to to do,

which you know, is taken from, from org mode. You know, it, it has a beautiful editor in it. This is this is the main thing. So every node, you can edit the, you know, with a full on wiziwig markdown, and I just have I've been holding back on this just to tell you how excited I am about it, because it's kind of something I think you might like it. I mean, it's, it's it's really changed the way I organized my life. And Tina has gone. Who are you? You remember?

You did this at 7am. You're like you already had all that change and checked what is going on? Yeah, it's really helping me get things done. TriMet says Trillium hierarchical notetaking application with focus on building large personal knowledge bases. Yeah, this guy's got kick ass search, which is, you know, one drawback of most of these systems can import OPML. Yep. Yeah, yes, it will. It will suck. No, it will suck. It will

not import the properties. It'll import basically, the node structure will import the links at least No, no, no. Why would it do that? No. Why would it do that? That would be completely well, it's probably just a small fix. You know, it's I'm not quite there yet. But I'm committed to the system. And then they're there UK, their Ukraine flag on their GitHub repos as big as the screenshot of the product. Yeah, I kind of I just, I just looked past the Yes. I would love to

support the developer. I'm not going to support Ukraine. Okay. That's not going to support the military industrial complex. That just check it out. Something to have a look at. Okay, here's a question. Oh, no, no. Well, okay. Yeah, I just I just saw my monitor over. Yeah, I'm good. So real lot of excitement around. Mastodon, a lot of exciting development people are discovering activity activity. Pub Sub hub thing called cross act comments. It's now or never.

And I just want to understand why it seems not to be happening. It could be it could be because people do when people go into this, I think we need to accept this as a possible as a possible reality here. Now Now, whether or not this thing I'm about to say is true, does not ultimately decide doesn't bear on whether or not the social interact tag or the way that we've built it is needs to exist, because I think it does, regardless. Isn't it's never a bad idea to have a good protocol for a thing.

Right. But it could be that most people don't want anything social in their podcast app. Okay, so here's what I think. I think first of all, there's only I know maybe there may be some cast apod feeds out there. There's every single one of my feeds no agenda, and if you want some traction, please go look at op three and tell me if you think no agenda has the traction for you to try something. I

always put a route post in there. There's action on the route post because people respond to that in the no agenda social Mastodon so it's a not being surfaced. And there's no one has a log into your Mastodon to join the conversation. And so therefore, in my mind, that's how we move things forward as if and this is down to the app developers has to come first in my mind because I already have that we're creating the content

with enough enough users for it to not be a dead feature. And then only then will hosting company start to consider adding that themselves. For the for the larger audience. This is what we've seen in the past two years. This is how it works. But for some reason people and I do blame a little bit on Cridland with pushing the the booster Graham calm comments in, in Fountain, because fountain is just that's their ecosystem. Now

fountain almost can't do cross app comments. They've kind of painted themselves into a corner, which I'm not against. In fact, I like it very much. But But if if no one is going to pick up the cross app comments and activity pub, I'm going to go full in on on doing it with lightning whatever fountain is doing, because my content is not not being surfaced. Will so who who would do it? Who would like so What app do you expect? would do cross F comments in

the breeze? Fountain, curio caster cast a PA? Cast thematic. Okay, and I would hope this would be a great thing for Pocket Casts. Yeah, Pocket Cast course. They're going all in on activity pet pub, so let's please let someone else go first. But I'm asking our group. I would think that the tip to me Pocket Casts makes the most sense for this feature. Man, maybe I'm nuts. But I mean, to me, it just it just seems like it's right in their wheelhouse.

It's an open protocol. I mean, they're all about social and about, you know, I mean, it's owned by the company that created WordPress. Like that's, that's in WordPress is all about interop. And, you know, they sort of in in not invented but absolutely popularized the notion of having comments on a blog post. I mean, all that stuff just makes sense that Pocket Casts would be the one to do cross app comments and surface them in their app is in there. And it's open now. So

somebody can go at it. Now that's a complex feature, probably require some back end a they would want that, that at least as far as the UI goes, I mean, that could that could be helped by the open open developers now. I'm just I'm not condemning anybody. I'm just I don't

understand. And we have a real push a real push. There's, there's developers, there's users, this real users coming in and and, and I'm very excited about the differences that the fediverse has in a just how the culture is and the vibe of it all and so perfect to do this. Now, and I just checked on curio caster, I can't find it if the comments are there. I don't think pod verse surfaces them. Um, yeah, commercial app and the with Missy pod pod verse. It's in both, right, but I can't let me say

swipe you swipe to get to and upon verse on the app. Okay, let me see. So I'm playing it here. And I swipe Well, I don't see how I swipe on not on the web app. I don't think oh, no, you're on the web app. Yeah, now it's on the mobile app. It's, it's there. Right? You swipe over to I think you swipe left to get to it. Okay, I just opened my pod verse and it shows a little live emblem wrapper. So you gotta love. Right? But no, but no comments there. But I want to just on the

last one, I'm sorry, everybody. I'm doing this while you're listening to me doing it, which is kind of creepy. It is on the web app. You just not like you don't swipe. I think it's just on a different location. Like the comments are collapsed by default on the pod verse app. So you don't you don't like you don't see it unless you Oh, expand the comments. I'm probably not logged in. So that may that may be part of the problem here. Let me say podcasting to

look at ours. Now. I'm going into and I see the live live works is so beautiful love pod Molly. Yeah. So if you if you click on pod, Molly Yeah, no. comments there. Transcript comments, chapters, clips, and I have no comments. Oh, yeah, there's no, I have no comments. And the second it takes a second hit it, it takes a second to play, it has to go grab all the comments. But anyway, like jokes there, but you can't respond. But you can't respond.

It's not it's not prominently featured. And of course, if you want if you want to, I don't know, I think Misha has seen an uptake in pod verse users. And why is that is because it's the only podcast that gives you an alert when no agenda goes live. And so what I say is, hey, you can go get to go get pod verse, If you want to be alerted when no agenda show goes live. And you can get right into the what we call the troll room. And the comments are just saying I will promote everybody's app.

Okay, well, they think you just answered the question. What causes apps to implement features? This goes right back to what we've known the whole time. apps won't implement features that don't have content available to certain that it can surface. As I said, every single one of my shows, has it and has content in it historically, for many shows, right? But Pocket Casts is not going to do something that's only on one or two podcasts. Why not one more comment? Why do you make that assumption?

Because they're a big app, and they don't want to spend time on something that only has one or two buckets? I think that's presumptuous. I'm not so sure. They also made it open source, you know, like it's a big app. And by the way, it's open source. I don't know, I'm not so sure that they wouldn't want to implement that. I mean, I think they want to implement it. I'm just saying it's probably a hard.

Okay, but am I okay, back to my original point. If we all want to wait until Apple does it or Pocket Casts or someone big? It's disappointing to me. We've kind of went away. No, I'm just saying we've proven I'm not saying this to you, we prove. We've proven that when we show more than one app doing something people start to take it up. Transcripts is a great example. It's a slow lift, but it's getting there. And eventually it will just become standard. Which brings me to the

inside we can leave this brings me to the next piece. Did Apple just accept using the podcast namespace by accepting the TX T record? or is this some back end deal that transistor has that isn't really using the namespace? No, I think it's I think it's I think it's been sanctioned. But is has there been less it hasn't been a press release or as someone

acknowledged this? No, but I think I think it's so if I make a feed with a TXT record to be verified on Apple podcast, I will put that in my feed in the TX T tag. Right hmm yeah, so I think I think what they're I think Apple's push the way I understand it, Apple's push and I sent you a screenshot but yeah, I got I got to thank you. Adam getting would really is that what the screenshots like? Is that all? No wonder. All right. So we can have Adam getting wood clips, but we can't have

comments. Okay. All right. All right. All only children, only childish people get move the world forward. Yeah. Okay. So I think I think apples. I mean, I think they're going to the way I understand it push hosts to adopt the txt tag for verification. So can I say, in my own marketing materials, Apple has adopted the podcast namespace with the first tag, which is the TX T tag for verification. I think you can say whatever you want. I don't want people I don't want people get mad.

Well, I mean, run it by run, run by Ted. So hey, Ted, can I can I say this out loud? I don't think in public. The point X No, the point is, alright, fine. I'm not gonna beg anybody. I just want to know, I mean, if if Apple actually is recognizing the namespace would be nice for them to say it. Okay, if they don't want to tip, I'm looking to say it out loud. I'd be very appreciative of that. I'd be super appreciative of it. But it feels like to me, it

feels like there was this thing, Apple's gonna do this. And everyone's talking about it, and, and they're gonna announce it, and there's no announcement. And I'm like, okay, so what was the big secret about did it actually happen? Is it true? To me, it feels like transistor has just some API thing on the back end. So they don't put an email address in and they hand it off properly to Apple, it doesn't feel like well, now they're putting the TXT record in now. That's, that's

it's going in the feed. They're doing it I'm transistors do it. 100% did it the right 100% 100% They did it the right way. And so and, and I think my understanding is Apple has had what at such a time because you know, the Okay, I think the the the the mix up here is that? Yeah, Apple has, as press forecasted that they are going to in the future, deprecate the iTunes author, iTunes owner, TASH are sure so but they

haven't done it yet. They said early 23. So my, you know, I would, the way this would go, I think is that they would say, here, you know, on the official day, when they actually deprecated then they would have a thing that says, and here's what we recommend you do instead. That's a bet you that's the way that is going to come down the pipe. I do not see a single TXT record in any feeds.

Because you don't because nobody's moving you only use it when you move your when you can train and you need to verify. Okay, it goes in there when you verify I'm just suspicious that's gonna be that's gonna be the subtitle of your autobiography. Adam curry it's Adam curry held hostage by my hair. I'm going abroad stats by the great because I have some questions about that. My mommy, I'm interested in your stats.

I just get this is something I've been wanting to add some been in my craw for for a while is you know, Spurlock publishes these monthly stats. Where he goes bang is like the you know, the number of new episodes. I always wonder. What I've always wanted to dig down on is how many of these new episodes like he's, he'll say, here's the here are the hosting companies that published the most new episodes for November. And I've always wondered, how many of those feeds that published a new

episode? How many of those were existing feeds versus new feeds? So how many of what percentage of those shows that published in November? How many of those was how many of those feeds was that their first episode, if that makes sense, so indicating that it's a brand new feed that's never existed before versus an existing feed that is just publishing another episode. So in November, the number of unique feeds that published an episode was 366,849. So that's pretty I mean, that's pretty

good. That's that's in line with what it normally is. Of those 366,849 shows that published an episode. Anchor represented 96,391 of those. So That's 26%. So 26% of the feeds that published a new episode 26% were anchor, and this is in November. So if you've drill if you if you sort of get down further and say, how many of that 366,849 feeds that published in November, how many of those feeds were created in November? It's 9% 34,188. So just shy of 10% of November's feeds that

published an episode were brand new. There were feeds that had not existed before. And then if you drill down a little bit further than that, you can say, of those escaping out of those but but but anchor feeds that were created out of thin air in November were 10,032%. So it 13,032 So 3% of the total, were brand new phase, created on Anchor so. So the way we take it as a third of a third of the new feeds that were created in November, were created on Anchor is basically what you can say.

That's pretty. That's pretty good. I mean, like, and let me explain what I mean, by good. I mean, obviously, anchors this huge Gen gigantic free hosts, so you're gonna they're gonna suck all the air out of the room most of the time. But you really are, you're only looking at a third, that means two thirds of all the brand new feeds in the month of November came from other hosting companies that were not anchor. So that's, I mean, that's actually encouraging to me.

Can I ask a couple questions here? Yes, because I see a lot of this work going on. I see. We got some kind of stats package that some, some new developer came in and was really introduced that it's always nice when when a developer bursts a new project into the world. Yeah, I enjoy that. And so I have a couple of questions that roll into one. And it really

that my main question is, what is the why of this? So you You're guessing to new, you're gonna see well, I'll expand a little bit and I just want to understand, besides creating endless content for pod news and and reports for podcast consultants, I think the stats are interesting. But what is the objective? And what is the analog in the radio or any other publishing industry? I've never cared what television people used to watch me or what radio device? Is this for hosting company marketing.

My interest in this is purely to get a sense of the overall health of the podcasting. In the independent podcast hosting ecosystem. Well, you you can't determine health without knowing if what is what is coming out. It could be love. It could be shit, you don't know what it is. I mean, you don't know the content of these things. You just it's just random. To me. It's the other side of the

Dalvik issue. I mean, the podcast industrial complex fell so flat on its face, once again, when anybody can just use some like Samsung use some user agent and it it screwed up all the charts all the rankers it completely defrauded advertisers

at some point. I think this whole thing is broken. And it just to me is feels like the only thing I can see is that perhaps the John Spurlock sees this as being some type of open system that advertisers, some advertisers or some sponsors may ultimately use to some degree, but I just don't understand the why of this project. This is not these stats that I'm talking about. And the monthly stats from John these are not download stats, these are these are feed stats,

but it's all part of the same thing to me. No Well, yeah, but that's disagree because because the the feed stats the download stats get into all the achiness and the yuckiness of of advertising and in and reach and we agree on that but um, but all this other stuff, I'm just like, Okay, let's see the so when I say health I mean like we're talking about capture I don't you know, we don't want one behemoth company a hosting company to essentially capture the entire

you know, suck all of the podcasting into itself and so they can they then begin to dictate term okay. God So, a and I'm not fighting I love you, you know that right? I'm just this. This is highly interesting to me because I see all the energy that's going in, I want to figure out, what can I do with this energy? Is it useful? So if what's the trip wire when what you just said, Okay, someone's sucking all the energy out of the room there's somehow they're they're

garnering too much power. What is the trip wire? And what is the resolution? What is the action we need to take? Then that's when we that's when we trigger the this top secret weapon. Okay, so I think just as I thought it's useless exercise. You have no, you have no answer for my questions. Dave Jones, I want you to enjoy, I want you to enjoy doing what you do. I really do. I just I don't know if I'm supposed to be paying attention or not. I don't I don't know. It's hard because

just like, Okay, I have boundless energy. I don't have cross app comments, but I know exactly which hosting company is doing well, as well. But okay. All right. Let me let me take that. Let me let me take that ball and run with it. You know, exactly. Which which hosting companies are doing well, well, now. That's the pitch. No, that's a little bit of a misnomer to I mean, I'm sure anchor is losing money. So they're not actually doing well.

Good point. Good point. You can't look in someone's pocket book for sure. Yeah. So but but this also tells you whether like this gives you ideas about whether or not certain about whether Elissa well here's here's an example. Here's an excerpt from the chat room. Ice Cube soup says, I think some interesting stats would be feed which published its 20th, episode 50th episode at cetera, feeds, which published an episode three years after its first published event, five years, etc.

And I'm saying interesting in any way. Thank you. This is my point. Where is the interesting data? Where is something that will interest me? Let me let me say that but you imagine that we did this, okay. Imagine, imagine that I brought these stats and instead, instead of the mundane stats that I gave you a while ago, if instead what

I what I what I reported was that. Okay. 366,849 feeds were published a new episode in November, and 50% of those were new feeds created on Anchor. Yeah, all of the sudden, you're like, No, okay, way to say, Oh, you'd be the proper response to that would be there, is something majorly wrong within podcasting. I don't know. Why would he be wrong? Why would something be wrong? What is wrong? They mean, I don't understand this. This is exactly what I don't understand.

But what would be wrong would be you would be right to conclude that, that very few people are actually signing up for new podcast, and most of them are just dicking around on Anchor, but it's not a bad thing. Yeah, it would be a bad thing. Why? Why is that? Why is it a bad thing? Because it would be hard to go out and convince people to implement new namespace features. If they if the hosting companies are actually looking at their books and being like,

Oh, my God, we can't pay the bills. Like that. To me. That's what I mean by health like, right. But if you if you have an industry, where you have a huge VC funded player who was giving away free stuff, your industry may be in trouble anyway. Right, but I don't I don't know how much trouble there. Okay. You should write up a report. And you should, I think you should do a sub stack. Yeah, I think it's a good idea to do a sub stack. And here's this. Here's the health of the

industry. I think it would be a hit. I do. Don't done. I'm telling you. Damn. Listen, Daniel J. Daniel J. Lewis, point of personal privilege is going to do this now that I've given this idea. health of the podcast industry. It'll be his next episode. Yeah. If you're loving those stats, I'm happy. I just I don't know. I'm just going I don't understand. I wouldn't say I loved him. It was actually painfully boring. To the show database was there and it needs to be mined. I get

it. I totally understand. I understand that. I understand. Oh, man. There's some new app popped up which I didn't quite understand. castled you take a look at this. had not looked at it yet. No. Castle is an interactive podcast player for people who want to go beyond listening. Transcribe save, share and search podcast content all from one simple platform. Castle's goal is to bring scripts is Bring the next level of collaboration and learning to

the podcast world. Hey Castle, guys, why don't you do some cross app comments if that's your goal? Oh, yeah, totally. So sure like I said Greenfield project get you could make it right in from the beginning, right? Perfect. Yeah, good time to do it. Oh, man, oh, man. Oh, man. Oh, let me let me just let me just say that I've been Somebody contacted me through email and did a sort of an in depth

analysis on the index to find duplicates. Oh, and what he found what he sent me though his methodology and everything which is sound is good. It's a good it's a good way to do it. He found 50,000 duplicates index. Well, wait a minute. That's That's what 1% Yeah, that's 1% that's pretty. That's pretty good, man. Congratulations. I feel good about this shirt. Holy crap. A virtual Well, hold on I need to have this thing a little more. A little more

standby. 1% 1% 1% is gratulations. Man, that's really good. That is really incredibly good. Do we? How about the Slurpee, the slipper Slurpee that was still going we're closing in where you'd like 50,000 feeds of music. I think you said or posted 44,000? Close? That's not bad. Yeah, that's a good start. And you know, dystopia unleashed their, their, their value block integration in their, in their? Their medium tags. So we got to

get them on the show. Have you ever seen anything show up from them on in the index any feeds with? I'm gonna look for I'm gonna get some. I'm gonna bring some stats next week. These are stats, I'm very interested in day. Oh, goodness, no, thanks. Yeah, definitely, let's this is value for value, by the way. And if you would like this to continue, not just this banter, but the whole project, which seems to kind of

be centered around podcasts. index.org. Most of the people who use it like to support it, you never want it to go away. It's to say it's the other side of the conversation about regular payments that you want to keep handing off to a podcast or sees the value block. It's it all makes total sense. This is and I like I love that what you said earlier that, you know, it's all value for value. And there's many different ways we

can expand that and I completely agree. And so one of that is recurring donations, which people do with us right now by by force, it has to be through PayPal with the Fiat fun coupons, but we also get lots of boosted grants. And if you want to support us go to podcast index.org There is an on chain QR code there or at least a link to one that you can can hit if you which no one does. Or you can just use the power button.

And of course get a modern podcast at podcast new podcast apps.com and boost us boost away so let's we who do we have to thank today. Oh, we get we get we get? We have? This is from like two weeks since we were off. Yeah. We've got coming in right off the top rss.com The boys in the boys and gold they're $1,500 Wow. Shot Caller 20 blades on am Paul. That's what I'm talking that's some value for value, right is that that's the thing. It's the biggest baller we've ever received.

We had one bigger baller than that. And that was the anonymous cash donation in the pod. Yes. That's right. Yeah. That was pretty cool. I was Sir omnibus wasn't it? I think that's I think that's the speculation. Yes. Ben, Ben in Alberta said to Dave and Adam and everyone who has worked on the mission of the podcast index in 2022. Thank you for all your

time and and talents this year. Because Because of you all podcasting is still open and free Happy Holidays and Happy New Year from the [email protected] Thank you guys so much. I got to hit this 40 podcast. Thank you, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That is that's our month. That's a month right there. Straight up. Thank you. Thank you. We also had Marco coming in with 500 again this thank you I'm gonna give him a shot call off 20 his blades only him Paula

thank you very much Mark. I highly appreciate and of course for him also value for value. This is what you're seeing. These are people who have a business. And so I don't mind if you if you placate them with your stats Now now that we have now I understand why you do this. Okay, I got it. Yes it works good. Good work Dave more more hosting company stats. I think it's working. It's it we'll do it we'll do a feature every week. I love it.

I love it. The the live item tag and that would be a really good fit for overcast I think it makes a lot of sense. I lit we get Buzzsprout coming in with $500 Wow, this is Blake on I am Paula day if we shall have some some bacon with our girl. I mean, like we should take two weeks off more often. This is the way you do. All right. I was making money while we sleep everybody. This fountain coming in with $200 Thank you, Oscar. Thank you guys. Thank you so much. It's so cool.

Yes, and we thank Tom and Kevin in the in the guys over there Buzzsprout to very much Joe. I actually hit the live boosted grams that came in while we were yakking. Let me let me do these two other papers. We Oh, sure. Sure. Sure. We got two more. Emilio Kondo Molina sent us $20 A pound, no note on that. And basil Philip sent us actually a new automatic payment subscription for $25 a month. Thank you very much. Especially those those monthlies, man, it makes a big difference.

Well, we had we had a couple of 20 fives cancel cancel on the Pay Pal. Yeah, the Pay Pal. Yeah. Hey, pal, again. Yes. All right, hit it. Well, coming in 22 minutes ago 97,531 SATs from chimp who says love to have the duo back in action? Any updates on the hackathon game Jennifer working her magic? We have we have discussed and mandate Jennifer had discussed the hackathon. I think things just get too busy. But maybe the

new year I'll be picking up in January now. Okay. And yeah, I think we're gonna pick it up January Jim says can I get a go podcast podcast? 33,333 from Eric p p says welcome back. Thank you see Brooklyn, one 112 Back to businesses the booster gram 12345 sets. Tone record was row ducks 2222 pod verse alert hit for live so sending some welcome back sets. There you go. It works. Blueberry 17,766 Big

Patriot boost. Live is lit and all that shit. We got chip cost peatland noise that's now I'm in I'm looking at my helipad Nam into now. That's that's what we that's what we had for the live boosts for now. Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay. You know, I'm sending out a lot of a lot of piping authorization headers popping doc cloud this is this is good. A lot of we're seeing a lot of adoption last couple of weeks. Good. We got some booster grams from last two weeks we have

Mitch down a 10,000 SATs no note. Thank you, Mitch. Appreciate that. Oscar merry also known as Mary asked her 10,000 SAS through fountain ad says to add any fountain user to the split. You can find their value block info with the custom key custom value by clicking on the bolt on their Web Profile link and it gives the URL https colon slash slash fountain dot him but data.fm/marry Oscar and big, big props to Steven B's sovereign feeds Matt, he's this.

I love this program. So he's made it so that if you want to add something to the value block, and you do add new split, you can also use lb fountain or the V four V app to get the credentials just by using the the lightning the lightning address and it resolves it and pre populates the fields. I mean, it's beautiful. That's cool. And that's so nice. Yeah, yep. 2222 from John TMS.

No note. Thanks jaunty. WDS from Blue ours from RSS blue. sent us through fountain regarding episode 111 discussion on the formal definition of a schmuck. Larry David put it best. There are only two types of people poor schmucks and rich pricks there's no one in between. I'm down with that. That makes I like it. Yes. Right on Macintosh then is 100 SAS which is low but but he says he had a good note here balance of Satoshi sounds just like the type of thing I was going to code and never get

around to doing so glad someone is handling this. I'll check it out. Oh man, that program has been around for a while and has it's a lot of it's bulletproof. Is a Swiss army knife. Yeah. as it is very, very, very handy. Ralph he sent us 500 says it's a loss of love rohlfing Daylin send us 6500 SATs they found and he says, I don't have the dogs handy but Pleroma and it's forks, a coma and rebased which

are competing activity posts. servers with Mastodon already can be configured as an identity provider for other services. Futures now, guys, okay, cool. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Identity. Yeah, federated identity. I like it. George Orwell send us a row sticks 1111 through fountain nice says have you guys already looked into? noster and this just pop up? Where did I see this? noster business? Yeah. noster GG mentioned it. And Alex looked into it. Is this

telegram bot? Is that what noster? Is? Is noster a bot? I don't know. I have not looked into it long enough to understand what it is or what it's about. I don't know. But I have no start. And Oster is I'm just reading from the GitHub, the simplest open protocol that is able to create a censorship resistant global social network once and for all. And then it says join the telegram group. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah, you know what? It's like, oh, there's all this stuff out

there. And I'm gonna stick fast to cross out comments on activity pub until until it doesn't happen then I'm just going to gonna go with any wind that blows my way. I think Alex was concerned about it, because he thinks a system that let it enabling censorship in some way. I don't know. I'll have to ask him, but he's the guy to ask for sure. Yeah, yeah. But I don't know. I mean, I don't want to please don't take that as gospel because I don't know. Mere Mortals podcast 3333

through fountain. Kira, and our buddy over there streaming sets is a dopamine drip more than a dopamine hit. It still feels crazy, like crazy good drugs, but I'm not going to sell my imaginary children to get more mostly because I'm rich and SATs afterwards and don't need I don't need to boy Okay, boy oh, boy. Oh, our buddy Franco Celerio developer of the cast ematic

app. Hello, send us a boost of 1000 Sassy says debugging new code or report failed Lightning Network transactions to the user disregard this message no I'm not going to disrupt oh no no boost Thank you very much Franco Jean been sent us elite boost 1337 through cast ematic he says I hope Buzzsprout takes your idea on Oh authoring the fediverse Me to floydian slips 5000 SATs through curio caster he says I don't want to I don't always remember to boost but

when I do it's to bowl after bowl. But that you boosted does it really is a little low for a promo boost. My Dale our buddy over blueberry the Senior Vice President of

podcasting 2.0 relations. He sent us a first album boost the pod verse for 1000s in the in the chat room breaking news pod save Dave Jones condemns noster for censorship Now that's how you write a headline that's how you that's how you I'm gonna hear about that 7777 Ooh, from Steve welcome striper boost works striper boost through cast thematically says regarding Christian rock metal bands see skillet. S k i l l e t skillet I don't do you remember skill it never heard a skill it?

I don't think I've ever heard of me. Never heard it skill. Well, I have a feeling we're about to hear some i Well yeah. Are you kidding me? I mean, I would never give up an opportunity to play a little skillet for you all to see skillet psycho in my head. That sounds like a good little heavy. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. You ready? To stop singing that's not good. It was all fine until I started singing. I liked the ear daggers not to sing dynamite. 100,000 100,000 SATs. Oh, wow. Okay, Linkin Park rules

send us 100,000 SATs through pod verse. Hey, Adam and Dave. Have you checked out what Matt Odell has done with guys are fun for his V Furby podcast at adult dispatch. He has his node connected to the campaign. So the public can see all the boosts and says streamed in real time with a leaderboard. Oh, yes, we need to talk polls.

Polls boost boost boost. I think that the poll, I think Go went to that site I saw the announcement but I didn't quite get it but now if it's if it's basically just displaying his Lee's leaderboards and stuff is cool what was it called again geyser what was it called geyser dot fund slash project slash Citadel hmm geyser dot fund I feel like I felt like is it was missed here that Linkin Park rules and as 100,000 says it feels like a baller is not a baller

I mean compared to $500 This is a Bala you should play on Bala we see what he's doing here. Okay, so it shows right interesting play a part in world changing ideas by contributing to them and launching them on geyser. Okay, I see the SAT streaming in I don't know what guys are it kind of looks like a front facing helipad. Yeah. Which by the way I want people to know is still the best way to get the most accurate export from your node.

I mean, just just to be clear, hella pad has an API. Oh, yeah. query it if you want to get stats and display them on a on a public website. Yeah. And, and yeah, and I love Saturn and, and contracts, but they don't always catch everything. You know, there's still work in progress. It's beta. It's beta says it's all beta. Hello, or makes any of this show works. Hello. That's right. Yeah. It always it always makes me so it always gives me lots of encouragement when I see that. Like that.

Lightning Labs is releasing. Fixed lnd they d o v 15.1 Dash beta, like right now. And I'm updating always at midnight, you know, like here we go. Dave. You know, look, I don't look I just wake up in the morning and see the see the butt clenching are still working. Yes. Good. Good. Good. Oh, Mike Dell back again. 5000 SAS pod verse. He says Happy turkey day. Go podcasting. Oh, boy. Thank you. Podcast. Steve Wilkinson back again through cast. Manik he says

thanks for all you do for podcasting. 33 333 Nice. Thank you, Steve. Thank you, Steve. Gene Everett 25,000. SAS he says boost boost. By the way I'm back on Twitter, so follow me and no agenda and podcasting. 2.0 fam. Oh, we got unbanned huh? Gene, Gene every 33 Okay, cool. As he says a follow up booths of 3333 to correct a typo in the previous booths. He says I mean, podcasting. 2.0 not 2.9 No, gotcha. Nomad and nomadic coder sent a boost of 1555 He says earlier this year, you played

clips with James Montgomery Boice. In this week, you mentioned Alvin Plantinga. These are names I would never have imagined out here on an Adam curry podcast. Well, well, you never know. It's Adam curry, Dave Jones joint so that's why you heard it. You still wouldn't hear that from me. You're the pod sage brother. Roy scheinfeld. Hello. Hello, Roy. 54321 through breeze and he says I love Adam and Dave. We love you too. We love you too.

In a world where Roy loves Adam and Dave and Adam and Dave love Roy back. Showers and bros bro. What do you say, bro? Hugs bro hugs. We gotta get our ass over to Israel, that's for sure. Yeah, we gotta go hang with Roy. He's a party animal. That's a great trail. He calls he calls me like oh, I had said Adam I had such a I was partying all night. On Sunday. Sounds like Arnold Schwarzenegger was just like Roy I was partying of London in the hive Dao 118,596 knots 20 blades on I am Paula thank you.

He says in Israel if someone has crooked teeth as I do, the Hebrew expression is shunned. I'm anglais literally English I really should fix my teeth too. Well, I got a great address for you and before this is all over he'll be accepting bitcoin FYI. QR code for you go under That's right. Good to go. Mr. Curry. 100,000 SATs from Bhumi overdale Be nice. Oh, no, I gotta hit a ball every single play. Ball is my fault. The podcast index app. Oh, that's

us. That's the website and he says, oh, cool catching up with some of the past episodes after the adopting Bitcoin Conference. Cheers from El Salvador. Wow, he was no Salvador. Nice. So I got some reports about El Salvador. From various people in the media. If you're is if this is the Alex Trebek pronunciation. It's El Salvador, El Salvador. Well, there's a lot of cinema about El Salvador. And let me

tell you what the finance people say. Okay. It is definitely it's definitely true that it is, you know, that everything is alive and reviving. And the Bitcoin story has something to do with that. But to think that everyone accepts Bitcoin, it's all hunky dory and the Chivo, or chives app works is not exactly true.

It's all still a little bit as you would expect, buggy. But every single every report from El Salvador is, is always so incredibly positive that I'm like, so it's definitely doing well, but it's not quite up there with what you might expect. That's, that's the report. That's the report I'm getting. I mean, financially, they were in such bad shape. You gotta imagine it's just going to take a long time to dig out of that hole, then, which is just the Bitcoin beach and the infrastructure,

you know, it's like, yeah, it's getting there for sure. Because, you know, it's it's it's legal, legal currency. But very, very few people are using it, honestly, tourists are using it, which is good time. There's a anytime there's a there's too much government control, and too much government interference in an economy. There always is a thriving black market. So the because the black market becomes the black market is actually the real market,

because the the official market ceases to function correctly. So you'll never be able to tell the health and then economy by the official government metrics, because that's not the real market anymore. And why don't you get in there and let them know what the health is their economy, you can look up the stats package for it. I do abroad. wadded up dirt on the floor. Are you mad at me about that? No, no, I love that you love me is different from being mad at me.

Yes, you can be mad at someone and love them dearly. Absolutely. Bumi sent 21,000 SATs again and he says podcast and he says listening to you is so incredibly exciting. And it is so good to hear others having such productive conversations and caring about the values that make me work on open web stuff. Since ever. Podcasting 2.0 brings back a lot of my past excitement about the early web. Can I just stop for a moment and just stop you for a moment as

him I'd like us all to consider that it was only 80 years ago. I mean 80 years you know people who are older than 80 Right 80 years ago our boys were out shooting it their boys trying to kill each other in France you know, and it's just beautiful to see you know I really mean this I love seeing all these different maybe because I grew up in the Netherlands that I'm that I'm so aware of really recent history global history and how pissed off everybody was that we'd bomb each other and

kill each other and world war two and here we are all excited working together the technology has connected us just wanted to take a moment just want to say it's beautiful.

freedom and openness yes yes it created yields dividends right and let us let us be careful with that you know there's a lot of a holes in the in the in the liberal world order because they'd like to call it who wants to divide us based order the rules based order who wanted to bite us and want to make us mad at each other and there's no reason because we all get along and we love each other and we're doing good stuff we're creative together and so when he says how excited he is I want to play

that back and say you know we'd like you knew Germans you're good guys. You are Yes. And we're not bad either when the Americans kind of dickish here and there but we're working everywhere Pretty much yeah, there's a list Yeah, floaty and slips 2000 SATs there Curio caster. Thank you and he says, Just found your show. Listen to the last one and thought of a name for a full access show called ch mod 777. As funny

like that's a good one. Don't record 3333 He says the week seems bland when you two aren't holding a board meeting for us plebs to drop in. Oh no, wait, wait. We will take exception to that. You are not a pleb you are a full member of the board. Exactly. Board Member but on your business card. Put on your LinkedIn. That's right. Looking forward to the episode return and a hefty set of updates to catch up on speedy recovery has hopefully occurred for Adam already by the time the SATs move over.

Indeed, indeed. And I appreciate all the thoughts, prayers and everything everybody sent. It really helped made a big difference to me. Appreciate it. And following up with the delimiter is comma strip blogger Hello 33 015 through fountain and he says, howdy, David, Adam.

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supports. So cause as harsh as baby, you bet. Yeah, my mouth is a little askew now. Like, we got to wrap this, but they're kind of getting there. But it's more like the molars now have a different bite. As you know what's cool about what happened though. I put the headphones on for the first time on Wednesday, it had been a good week. And right away, I noticed my hearing has improved. Oh, and interesting. And it's it's all connected. And also my allergy. This is one of the reasons is

for health reasons. Also, because I had low grade infection in in the, in my bone of my upper jaw, which was starting to affect my sinuses, which is why for 10 years, I thought I had allergies, but it was really when I'm chewing so I go to a restaurant in Austin, and then we'd be having dinner, and all sudden, I get near my nose and my eyes are running my nose. And it's just disgusting. I have to go and blow my nose and all this stuff. And I thought it's damn Aaron Austin.

But of course it's the eating the pressure, it would aggravate the the inflammation. And so that probably also since it's all connected, affected my hearing. That's really odd that that is one of those things that you wouldn't that's just one of those things you would never like put the two and two together. Of course not. That's so strange. I mean, that's awesome. Because you I mean, your hearing is critical. Well, it's weird because what it is, is I really got I got more

high end back for some reason. Which is it's interesting. Well, you know this, they're not not really on the same base. It's kind of similar. You know, my daughter, my daughter, my youngest, she had a skin infection in her face. But about three weeks ago, and so like it was cellulitis so and they think oh, she's got braces? Ah yeah, they think they should get an old sir from her braces. And some bacteria get into her cheek, which ended up in a went up to her eyes below her. I was

very puffy. I was like, I was thinking of her because that could happen that could have happened with me the exact same thing. Yeah, and this cellulitis is I mean, that's like a big deal. But she was on some heavy, like shockingly high antibiotics like, like, to the point where the pharmacist was like, Are you sure this is right? She actually called the hospital really into Yeah, because she was like this is a lot. What do you know what it was a joke. Do you know what it was? What kind of

antibiotics there was? It was Bactrim and? And augmentin, but both doses were like extremely high. They were it was like every four hours. And it was that was the right one that was the right dosage. Yeah, they said that she they said they thought the effective. They said they thought that basically she was just below the threshold of having to do IV antibiotics and so they should still do oral. Yeah, it was the colitis is one of the more dangerous infections

to get. So we were kind of freaked out. Yeah. I know your mouth infections are no joke. Now. What's cool now is if I stand on one leg and I positioned myself a little bit north northwest, I can receive 60 meters in the air. Started 33. out straight straight from the Omnisphere two you're just right. This is incredible. It's incredible with modern science and technology can do. It's really amazing. We've got some monthlies. You want to run them? Yeah, of

course. Please, please, please. We've got let's see here, pod verse $50. Thanking bankers, pod news. $50. They dry Thanks, James. Yeah, Paul air skin $11.14 Michael Gagan $5 Charles current $5 Christopher Raymer $10 James Sullivan $10 Sean McCune $20 Cohen glotzbach $5 Jordan Dunnville $10 dribs Scott $15. Lesley Martin $2 Michael Kimmerer $5.33 Aaron Renaud $5 Pedro gone calvess $5 Chad Farrow $20.22 Scott Jalbert $12 Mark Graham $1 New Media $1. David metus. $10. Joseph maraca

$5. Jeremy knew $5 Cameron rows $25 Lauren ball $24.20 Christopher horrible Eric $10 and our buddy Mitch Downey $10. Thank you all. So very much. Remember when you're supporting through these methods, when you're supporting through value for value in one of the podcasts and 2.0 apps, you're supporting

the whole system. So you and today you're supporting Alex and Steven crater who worked very hard on getting pod paying up and running, you're supporting multiple apps, I mean, really, you're supporting a lot of the system and that works that way for this podcast, but it also works supporting your favorite podcasts and I think the big takeaway from the board meeting today was that it's all value for value as long as we respect respect the splits one way or the other.

And the teacher by the way, respect the splits thank you I needed a title There you go There it is. Yeah, respect the splits All right, well, maybe we should have another maybe another t shirt which is like I'll put you my value block baby too long and have to wrap around the bat just a thought just a thought anything else for the for the for the wrap up? I'm good let's not do it. Let's not wait. Let's not do this this long. Between shows again, though. It's

I'm sorry. I didn't know what to do with myself. Getting surgery. Alright everybody, we will be back here next week folks show with podcasting. 2.0 Please join us at the board meeting Dave we'll see you then brother. You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast index.com for more information. Cool.