Episode 111: Pod Molly

podcasting 2.0 for November 2022, episode 111 pod Mali. Well, hello, everybody, welcome once again to the weekly board meeting of podcasting to point out that you find out what's going on. It's here that we find out what's going on. It's why it's a board meeting, let's all report to each other. See what's happening in podcast index.org, the namespace, lots of development going on with podcasting, and of course, everything happening that's being discussed at podcast index

dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama. Ladies, he's the dream of the Macedon scene. Say hello to my friend on the other end, Mr. Dave Jones. I'm just gonna go ahead and take a victory lap on this Mastodon thing. Yeah, oh, it's sticking it sticking? You know what? You know who? Stan a sticky, huh. You know, you're gonna rub it my fix? Okay. Yeah. You know, it's been fascinating to watch. It's journalists who

are sticking? Yeah, they're setting up their own instances. And they're doing all kinds of you know, and they're trying to figure it out. And, and you listen, you listen to journalists speaking on different podcasts. And there's, there's definitely a lot who are saying, well, it's really unusable. You have no algorithm, you can trick the algorithm to get everybody to see my stuff. So it's useless. It's useless,

I'll tell you. But then you see the end. This is very much like my one of my favorite news podcast is called the news agents thing. We've talked about it and never heard it. Oh, it's a bunch of British journalists who are well known journalists who have interviewed the the big of the big ones of the earth. And they kind of discuss the news. With some, maybe they have a little snippet of an interview or some reporting from one of their people on the scene or whatever. But it's basically

just a conference call. And they talk about what's happening from their perspective. So it's kind of the stuff that you would never hear about, it's happening in the newsroom. And it's because it's British politics. It's fun, because, you know, I have a lot to learn this American politics with British

news, I should say. And so that's kind of the vibe that I'm getting from these journalists groups who are setting up their own instances to learn from the journos jet journo dot host, I think is one and now it's the typical schmucks who are driving it, you know, all props to Jeff Jarvis. Jeff Jarvis. Yes, he's me. He's, he's he is, if you said show me a schmuck is Jeff. Jeff Jarvis. I don't know why I don't know the man personally. They have been on the show with him on a panel with him once.

What is the what is the definition of a schmuck, schmuck? Like, what does that actually mean? Does that have a real like a real defined definition that goes back in time? Let's see schmuck definition. Here we go. A foolish or contemptible person is the first definition that pops up. Like it's Hebrew in origin, like it's Oh, yeah. Oh, no. yudishe? I would say, yes, it is. Yes, it is. 100% Do not be the poor schmuck who runs out of gas and is stranded when a

natural disaster is about to hit. Wow, that's a pretty clear definition right there. Or be Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's not what you want to be. And don't, don't be the poor schmuck who runs his own Mastodon server, with only like 10 gigs of disk space. Well, everyone's going to learn and their services. I mean, we've been running on Mastodon hosts since day one. And, you know, we I upgraded to bigger services and searchable because, you know, of course, you got to pay for more, more CPU power and

some disk space. But we've got a nice little community, what do we have maybe 1000 people on? How many people do we have on the instant more than that? Oh, really? It's more than that. I think it's like, we lose like 1200 I think, okay. You get much bigger, like, no agenda is capped at 10,000. And it's real work for Matt, you know, he's doing real work, keeping that thing running, making sure there's no, you know, the vulnerabilities because of course, there are vulnerabilities always.

Yeah, it's a full time job shoved into a part time job. Pretty much. Yeah. Into a hobby, more or less. Yeah. But yeah, and the fun thing is to watch people like Dave Weiner go, does all this were like, oh, yeah, has been around for 10 years. Yes. Welcome to Yeah, welcome to 2012. I can't find that there's a page on here somewhere that shows what how many users you can, and I can Yeah, I'm looking forward to I see What is this? I tried slash about that active

use about 301 active users today. Today. Oh, that's active just today just like, posted or something. I don't know. I think it was like 1200. But let me how much do we pay for this? What's the what's the cost right now? I think podcast index dot social. I think it's 20 bucks. 29 bucks. Is that it? Much? I think so. I mean, I'd have I'd have to check my bill. The bill and it's like, 150. Well, here

pricing. Let's take a look at what they got. Now, man, where we have the Yeah, we have the star level because you have moon planet and star. Now, we started with the nine month $9 per month planet. Although I think then it was five euros. Inflation people? Yeah, the $19 a month star, which gives you medium Federation capacity, whatever that means. Processing. Oh, eight processing threads. Okay. 10 gigabytes of database, 100 gigabytes of media storage. And 100 active users. Oops. 100. Oh,

no. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, I'm sorry. No, no, no, no, we're here. Here we are. We're in the galaxy. I'm sorry. No, constellation galaxy. That's the highest. That's at nine a month. So we're at 90 a month. We're at 90 bucks a month shoot. That's on my my credit card. Yes. I have a sneaking suspicion that you have not been paying attention to this. This is based on prior experience with how Adam looks. Which is basically you don't until it gets shockingly high. And then you're like, Oh, crap.

That's right. Well, that's usually the AWS Bill was like, wow, it's like $1,000. Dave, what can we do about this? Yeah, it's like, it's like, oh, it's been it's been five or 600 for a few months. And now it's just getting ridiculous. I'm like, Whoa, 500 is already ridiculous, brother. This is why I'm not a billionaire. That was my entire reason for bringing that bringing this make you go and check your credit card stuff. But you know, there

really needs to be some sort of light. There needs to be an in between. There needs to be something that is is what's that thing you showed me last week was pinafore that needs to be something that's that's just that's just the interface. Yeah, yeah, there needs to be something between pinafore and Mastodon and like that, where it's just where you take like something very simplistic like a radio to or a freedom controller

type thing. And you just be just you just put in a, an activity pub, your module to it, you make it look like Macedon on the on the front end like the pinafore, something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Because then you don't you don't worry about like, cross and it's called cross app comments. I'm awaiting for two years. Comments across app comments done right. Could turn every podcast app into a mastodon, or TC MainActivity pub client app?

Absolutely. I've been I've been waiting for it. I mean, I'm growing cobwebs here yeah, that's that makes me Well, that brings up a little item that I have on my legal pad here. Oh, yeah. Which is yellow legal pad. Oh, yes. Yellow. Can you get only one talk? Can you get? Can you get the notepads? Because I cannot get them? They can't get them in yellow anymore. You know, the ones that I mean? It's like the it's not the legal pad, but it's kind of looks like a tablet. Yeah. Can you get those in

yellow for me? Yeah, can you take some some of the office? They're positive anymore. Do you want to read stapler? Can you give me a red slave copier paper? Just now I can't get any. You can't even get an Amazon. It's not. This one is like from the 70s. It's that's the kind of like that's exactly the kind of like, you got that little margin on the left hand side. You can write

some doodle shit in there. And then you got your liable red double line that goes down the left hand beautiful thing, analog baby. You know, this whole Mastodon thing makes me think and we discussed this briefly last week. This idea that the people are now podcasters are now in the mastodon soup, the activity pubs soup, without knowing that they're in it. I will Wish we had cross app comments ready? We would be blowing people's minds right now. Sorry.

Well, that's what I'm that's that's what I'm trying to say is. So if you had if you're a host, this, this is for podcast hosts. If your hosting company, you could imagine immediate win with cross app comments by doing a connection, an OAuth connection. Yeah, you're so right into your UI, say, Oh, do you have a mastodon account? Because Mastodon is popular enough now? Yeah. Looked at looked at journos here. Yes, the girl there journos?

There's one right there. If you if you had if you had this interface like oh, do you have Mastodon connect your Mastodon to your podcast hosting account? Yeah. And then whenever you put in makeup, whenever you make a post, it will automatically cross post over to Mastodon to your account. Yeah. And suck the URL back in as a post. That's Wait, that's another one that another journal got what? Got him? This is this. Some people may not know that.

But that just makes perfect, by the way and who have you already threatened that they have to do this? This was the initial thrust. Okay, you heard our AK right people. That's when we do have journalists gunfire. We have gunfire at our disposal. If you go to like bullying people in podcasting, yeah, this is highly effective. Wonders. Based on this track record this essentially. Anybody are secrets? Yeah. Right. It's it's more it's more like it's a combination of spoiling and badgering. Yes.

Like that is a bit of the New International lifestyle. Have you ever heard Dvorak excoriate the donors? Yes. Which is funny, by the way, love it. It's just like, it's like cats. The more you the more you you know, abused them, the more they love you, this journalist or the media, abusing them where they love you. Maybe one day we'll get rich off of this idea, then Dave, nothing's worked so far. very doubtful. This is the most this is on par for all of our projects. When it comes to find out.

We have only person that gets rich by abusing journalists is Donald Trump. I think that's the fan Elon Musk is giving. Right? Alright, so I'm sorry to interrupt you. But yes, now's the time. You're absolutely it's not is it? This relatively easy to do, right? Well, I mean, we did and freedom with trailers has got to be easy. It can't be that hard. Yeah, that's right. Controlling you just it's the Oh off you just post and boom, they're done. And that spits back the

URL? Yeah, of course. It spits back the URL. Yep. Yep. And there's an OAuth handshake that song and dance that can happen and you drop it right just bounce it around and you're done. Yeah. This this is an instant win to me yeah. What I would expect the will say cat will cast upon did a different and went a different route they baked activity portfolio into their into their into their system but if you're like us,

you know who you know who will who will probably do this. Of course, other than Steven B which is probably already dying by the time but Dobie das over RSS blue this is this is right up his ride right he loads dive into loads of stuff. Yep. So that puts somebody do that just I mean, what is so cool is this interrupt that's happening, man that that that is what's so interesting to watch and I don't think it's lost on the technology crowd on the tech.

The tech journos is lost on them they don't they don't it's really beautiful. I am so surprised I just I didn't expect this to happen but the part of it's the just whatever people in their mind had a go I'm gonna leave or I need a backup or whatever it was they came to Macedon I expected so many to drop off many did of course because and some journals I've been listening to him like they're not getting the dopamine hit. But most people are like wow, this is really in use net.

You know, this has a very heavy Usenet vibe. I don't think that is going to replace Twitter. No, it's completely different. That's the whole point additive. I think it's additive. Yeah, you because you're gonna have the What you realize when you're on Mastodon or you're in the Fed versus the Fed versus when you're in the Fed averse, you realize that your signal to noise ratio is so much higher. Yeah. And so you end up having you, you have quality

conversations there. Whereas, so you but you don't necessarily abandon Twitter, you, you have to go back to Twitter to get certain types of like news. But then you're relieved to get to then close the tab in your browser and go back to mass. But Mastodon is you get to the message you've seen before you're done. There's nothing left to do. You can you can try and click the other tab or certain point you've seen it all

and the algos not going to spit anything new back at you. So the 30 and and also like there's a there's a visualization of the fediverse. And you can someone posted that I think on I think on no agenda social, maybe it was Matt. And you can see that we are definitely with no agenda social is definitely somewhat separated from the larger Fetty out there, because of the blocklists. But we but are only the universe is kind of like this, this ulcerous growth that's hanging off, hanging off

of the grow. That's malignant, clearly, that's hanging off the main glob. And if you zoom in, there's a lot going on in that glob. I mean, there's a lot of stuff. When was that? I think it must have been? I'm pretty sure it was. It wasn't mad at Aaron or I should say. Anyways, it's yeah, you're right. I am just really, really surprised at how this is picked up. And yeah, man, we totally need to take advantage of this.

What if what would be great to see happen, and I think this can happen is that you would have certain certain podcast hosts that would that would do a connector type deal. No off connector to an existing account and then other hosts that would just go in full bore make their make a commenting system and then federate that out with activity pub. Right. There's a lot of hosting companies that are Ruby based, that are Ruby on Rails based it's I don't know why they're, that's, I don't

know why that's the thing. But that was that was very modern back in the days of early days of blogging, Twitter, podcasting, I think what's kind of invoke, in fact, I remember was the thing with VCs, you, you build rubies or Ruby on Rails? Believe it or not, it probably probably came because of the podcasting demographic, the early podcast demographic was, you know, that MAC MAC oriented, and I think there's a lot of Ruby on Rails

connections with Mac, right? based companies because I think it came out of panic and it has, like, bus browser, Ruby on Rails based and Tom told me the history of at one time, it just seemed very much tied to like a whole Mac culture and, but but as but you know, mass like Mastodon is a Ruby on Rails app. And it just seems like there's a lot of it seems like there's a lot of overlap cross pollination between activity pub, the world

of activity pub in the world of podcasting. And like, I see them as a natural as a net sort of a natural marriage. It's just, it just feels right to me. And so you could have some, some companies that this a or some hosting companies that say, Oh, well, you know, look at all these we get all this activity pub, Ruby gyms and all this code this gets here, let's just let's just run with it and go straight off. You know, that'd be great. I'm, of course, rejecting my own desires here.

I love it. Hey, go to Fetty verse dot space. Oh, then he verse does space. Maybe we need a dot space for the stats like that. By the way, I liked that little JSON thing that you spit out there. The stats thing? Yes. Cool. So if you so you see the you see the cloud space right you type in no social.com And then is it all by itself? Nobody will federate with it.

You'll get to zoom in one click and you'll see real up in the top way the top of the cloud there's there's the little no agenda social is on an island but oh, it's totally and if you zoom in, I mean, it's connected to a lot of stuff. But it's definitely is not connected to everything. I don't know but only see podcasts. It's incredible to watch this podcast is not worrying about social justice something my fediverse Does space is something went wrong.

One of those helpful errors all right is anyway. Hey, yeah, it's something really wonderful happened that detail CSB. Comic Strip blogger has been now most a lot of people here, met him through this project and have learned to understand him. He's been around me for since man, early days daily source code I don't even remember. I mean, so we're talking probably more than we're talking more than 1516 years long time. 17 years, maybe even longer. And it's always been

very adversarial. I can't help but and he just has a we have met him once before. In person in London. Yep. So we met once. And otherwise he's just been you know, just kind of this always saying what I perceive to be rude things, you know, calling me out on stuff that he thinks is wrong. Tell me I'm full of shit, you know. But then. So he really drove the adoption of the no agenda album artists. We do a new piece of album art every single show and no agenda art generator.com people compete to

be chosen. And of course that'll all of their work eventually might appear in the chapter image art so it's a fantastic ecosystem. And we give them credit we talked about it we talked about the choice on the show and Commissioner blogger really drove the idea of getting these artists into getting a get Alby wallet and putting their get Alby address, you know their their get Alby or whatever username I'd get allday.com into

their profile. And so I started actually, the last three or four that we've chosen already had one, so they've gotten to 10% Split have no agendas, booths and streams, and comics or Blogger, he was one of the last four. And so he posted on podcast index dot socialist, and it was really, really nice to hear this from him. And it meant a lot to me, he says how the AC

thumbs up emoji. Oh, now that I'm in the value for value split for the latest episode, I finally and deeply understand why you are so passionate about Satoshi streaming per minute and other part of the for V apart from boosts and booster grams. It gives the impression of intimate connection with the listeners. It informs that people actually listen to the podcasts and not merely downloaded but maybe never listened like I do with some podcast. It's truly astonishing. It's an awesome feeling.

That's a That's a beautiful note, isn't it and from him. So that's the feeling that I tried to explain to people is when you see that, and honestly if you use the get Alby the Saturn stats package, you can watch stuff coming in live. It's something about it. I mean, we we have those, you know, one sat, transaction splits that we get for the index. Sometimes I'll just sit there. I'll open up zap zap wallet that does a good job. And I'll just hit on

the recent transactions. You just watch it flow in. Now I'm walking. I'm watching like micro pieces of a penny. But it's like someone listened for a minute someone listen for it. Oh, that's probably a boost. Oh, that one booster gram. So when listened from and it's just, I can't believe it. You're watching people. Listen. That makes sense. So it's it's a dopamine. It's dopamine hit? Yes. Oh, yeah. I mean, not in the not in the bad way. Like in

the it's a dopamine hit. I mean, not we that that whole idea has been sort of poo pooed like, oh, that's just a dopamine hit. I mean, like social medias. But, you know, I mean, it's not like, it's a bad thing in and of itself. It's not objectively bad, to head to feel a sense of reward and excitement for a thing that's happening in your life. I mean, dopamine hit is

not all bad. And so like when you when you produce something, stick it out on the world and then and then the little dopamine hits coming are coming back to you in this in the form of value. Yeah, this is a different kind of dopamine hit. Yeah, yeah, it's not because it's making you angry or making you anxious or pissed off or controversial. No, it's love. It's love. It is. It's love coin.

It's MDMA. It's podcast. Pod. Um, write this down podcast Molly is what it is basically that's that sounds like somebody from only fans podcasts. Don't do this. I'm thinking title. I don't know about you. Like as Molly. I don't. That's yeah, no, I think I think that's the waiting. I think that's a good it's what it is does associate that's that's one of those great uses where you see technology making your life actually better and not just feeling the outrage machine

just making you happy just when you see it. Even people that write that write you even people that are ugly to you in a booster gram still makes you happy. I know. And you can and I love giving you know James and Sam and all kinds and Todd love giving them shit and sending the money for it. Hey, let me give you some shit. Here's 25,000 Satoshis talk smack at you.

Yeah, no, it's it's a lovely things. But that. Speaking of well lately, on CSB this this note also firmly confirms my suspicion is CSP has a much better or command of the English language than he likes to pretend that he does. May have been correcting some of his English on the fly. Oh, okay, I got you. All right. Now he's the real deal, man. He's the he's the that's it. He is what he is. He's the real deal. I just want I'm sorry. No, no, no, by all means.

Well, I had a kind of a weird thing happened that feels like a bug, but I'm not sure. But I want to make mention of it for the Opie three community. Are you down with Opie three community? I love following the conversations. I've no interest whatsoever in the results personally. But I do love. Well, that's not true. I love learning about you know how this project is basically kind of forcing people to take a look at the

referral agents make sure that everything is set properly. So we're getting better counts, I think it may be shaking up some players in the industry who may or may not want to implement this in their own software. Who knows, you know, other interesting things that are taking place. And here's something that happened. And I don't know exactly where the problem is, but it may be something that op three could should be aware of. And that is the last no agenda show I

published. Everything was fine. And then I was alerted to the fact that I had not put the ID three tags into the mp3 file, which I typically do. And mainly the main thing being the image if you don't make the image and there's a number of podcast players out there, which will not show the image, even though it's in the channel, RSS channel, feed all that stuff. It's just that just happens to so of course, alright. Oh, okay, that's kind of dumb, too. I wanted in there. So I go back, I

bake it properly. Now I've learned that the best way to do it is to delete and then upload the new one. And that goes pretty quickly. And then that breaks the cache. That breaks the cache and it's just never been a problem. And I've had to I've had to replace files. It's never been a problem. Google podcasts shit the bed? Oh, no. Well, at least that's only 2% of the more than I thought more more people than I thought it more than dog catcher, but not much. But like say double dog catcher.

A double document your double the dogs that maybe see Yeah, maybe 1213 People immediately ask what's wrong with you? Why are you using Google podcasts? Yes, stop. Just stop it. Stop it. Yeah. Why would you do like being old fashioned? Yeah. But I even had some some very kind listeners, delete the app and reinstall it. And still it wouldn't work. Even though if you went to if you went to Google podcasts on the web, it was there fine and played fine. So there's something with the

Google app. And I don't know. I don't know if the Google podcasts app. Yes. I wonder if they're, if they're caching something somewhere, because that's kind of what it felt like to me. And I don't understand and that could be in the app, but if it's at some, some head end or something that could affect the numbers people are looking at. I can't imagine what that would actually be. So when you replaced the enclosure, it had a different file name, file name.

Same for I can't imagine what that could possibly be Google unless, and the only thing I can write, but just I just thought I'd throw it out there. Now now that you know these things like things like this oddities like this bother me mentally, the only thing I could imagine is that somehow they're doing some sort of pass. They're doing pass through. And but they're cashing in then they see there's some sort of like, cash patch mismatch. I don't know what this is. That's weird. Yeah.

Well, only Google or maybe now I think was Google. Is there any is any other? Do they have any device? For some? I think there was some other reporting. It's just like, oh, that's a Google. They're probably using Google system. I don't know. It was weird. Yeah. Well, that'd be one thing on op three front. I was listening to Todd and Rosli said in the media show, was that a new one? Is that the one they did last week? It looked like it had a new name, title.

It was a new and it threw me off to I think the title was like almost the same or something. Not listened to it because I thought it was somehow something had messed up. I know, Mitch, I did two sync problems with POD verse and thought, oh, maybe whatever. Oh, man, go God. God said sad marketing, you know better than this, which is You're better than this. Todd. You scared me away from a brand new episode, and I was looking at I listened to pivot instead.

Okay, yes. Here's the problem. Here's the problem. Last week show the title was podcast ad rep companies in big trouble. The title of this week's show is lazy podcast advertising. Rip. Okay, that's so that's what threw me off. It had linguistic foo in there that was so similar. Yeah. That it threw me off too, because I almost deleted it, too. I thought it was a rehash. I thought it came back from the dead. Okay, so when was that he good? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it's good. So the one you know, number one

here is his liquidity was drained. So we you you opened a new channel to him, we got the open up, I think, a 2 million Satoshi channel. And me and like 10 minutes later, hey, I'm going over to get lb saw that? Great. Because I was trying to boost him he was he was on the show. He was like, man, we must not be having a good show. Because nobody's boosting this. And like, we can't, we can't boost you. We're out of money. Sure. out of out

of liquidity. Yeah. But anyway, so no, it was a good show. But one thing that he talked about on there talked about a lot of

things that interested me. But one thing is, you know, I've been trying to say for the last few weeks, that what I would really love is an open is that is the podcast hosting companies to make some, some sort of data public, of trending shows, or, like, show lists public, so that we don't have to depend on the apps themselves to release trending and whatever you call it, like trending data, or top chart charts and things like that, like I want, I would like to have recommendations of shows

that are that are coming from the hosting companies themselves. Like, it doesn't even have to be trending or top or quote unquote, top shows. It could just be, here's a list of shows that we we want the world to listen to. It could be just whatever criteria that the hosting companies want. I just want lists, I want lists of shows that can be they can be treated as recommendations, so that we can build open, decentralized recommendation points that are not based on

Apple, Spotify, Google, these big huge companies. I think the hosting companies have this data. And I would like them to give it to the community in some way so that we can the pie. The podcast industry should build the solutions not right breach, but companies but so the key word here is what is

trending. What I mean you just want list, but what data and I can already tell you that this needs a steering group, it needs a nonprofit it needs it through your mind need a C four just for the lobbying and Congress to understand what exactly the data is. How's it compiled? Those are those guys jackin their own show Oh, I can go on like this for ever on this. I know I got a guy that can do a 990. For us. We get no, I don't

even kit. Let me I want to be really clear. I don't I personally do not care if it's a chart for top shows or trending. None of that bothers me. I just want lists of shows. So, to me a list could coming from blueberry would be something like, here is 400 Great blueberry shows period. That no no metrics? No, no. Nothing like, here is the 400 top blueberry shows by

download, like, I don't care about that. It's just actually the more ambiguous the metrics, the better, because you're just like, they can be a rotating list where you say, but it reflects the the hosting companies preference, whatever that is. Yes, it reflects, it reflects some sort of quality signal within the hosting company where they say, the here's a batch of shows that we consider to be really good quality shows that are on our network. And that's the only that's the only signal

you get from them. You they don't tell you what the metric is the the shows could have 12 listeners. Okay, I gotcha, that will get we will circle back to that. But okay. But here's what Todd was talking about he he was saying that specifically, they do not want to release their top shows, like a list of here's our top shows by download. Because his words were immediately everybody was start poaching his shows. But what to what end? Okay, I just got to go back to first

principles. What what is the point to what to be able to say, here's a list of cool podcasts to listen to, how can that be relevant to me, I hear about cool podcasts from you on signal, or I read about something or I pick something up. That's this, it's mythical to me, this this podcast discovery and you know, the best and this is not about it. This is where this conversation goes always inside. It's, I don't want to be more clear. It's not

really about discovery. This is more. So we imagine this scenario. And this is really more of a programming thing. Imagine this, here's the scenario that we hit during freedom controller build, somebody installs a freedom controller, they set up a new account, and there's going to be

a news River in there a river of New Thought news items. Where are those feeds coming from, there's got to be a default list, there's got to be something to start with, like a seed, a seed OPML, where all these feeds are going to come from? Well, you know, we had to build that. And so we built in, there's a default list that you start with of about 50 feeds.

That's what I want, I want a default place to start. Because every podcast app, no matter what it looks like, is going to have some Bootstrap, that it has to have, where when you go, when you open the apps, you don't just get a blank screen, it always comes back to share your OPML always says this. And that, may I make a suggestion, that's where you want to get your list from. You want to get your list from individuals, and that can

be aggregated to every single thing that works. Okay. So I understand what you're saying was, I'm not quite sure why but here's what I here's what I see a benefit of is that share my OPML I think is what is basically it's your subscription list. And, and I find this to be very valuable. And I would love and you know, this used to be a thing, it's like you used to have a blog role and be on the side of your page. And these are

the things that I'm the blog's that I'm subscribed to. But your actual feed subscription lists which people typically use to export to go from one app to the other, that's actually valuable

information that can be shared and aggregated. What you're proposing when it comes from, for example, a hosting company well, I can tell you right now, and I'm I'm a pretty honest guy, but at a certain point, I think some marketing might show up that would say, hey, we can even get you noticed, you know, because yeah, put you up put you on the list and put you in the rotation. So you know, that creeps in I've worked at MTV, so I know exactly how this works. It's not people aren't evil, but

it just kind of you know it okay, but that's okay. No, it's I'm not saying is not okay. But isn't it better to get it from the listeners themselves and I can identify with this is part of what I like, although they haven't figured it out yet. Fountain is getting close to that. Except they're, they're matching people up with clips and stuff like that. But it's really like, because you and I listen, if I were to put our two, we should like we should do this, I will export my OPML and

we'll put them next to each other. And there's going to be some interesting overlap. And you know, and I can learn about some things that I'm I Adam curry might want to listen to not some just default stuff. Oh, oh, I just had I just I would like, okay. We, if everything ultimately ends up being, if all good ideas ultimately end up being share your opinion. time every time. If that just let's just start fighting it and embrace it. So let's let's do this. But why don't I put in something into

the into the API? That's an anonymous OPML submission. This non cast event obviously, moving could be yes. And then we'll, we'll have it in den the apps like pod verse, curio caster, they can just they can submit with their, you know, customer client class approval with their listener listening list with their listeners approval, an anonymized OPML list back to the Index dairy and then we will index those anonymized lists and just make the in convert those

lists into a public list. That's that can be used by anybody who wants to have a getting started. Here's a podcast use your starters. And now you have a public way to circumvent the most irritating thing in modern user generated content. Add like and subscribe. Now subscribe will actually mean something because that subscribe will show up publicly and we can really see who's subscribing to what. Or at least what's being subscribed to. We don't need to

Doc's. Anybody Hold on a second. Dave coming at you right now. Brother. Look at your signals. There it is. There's Adam curry subscription list. You just signaled it to him. Yeah. You did that while you were talking? Oh, you have no idea what I'm doing here while I'm talking. Yeah, this all the all the apps if I understand, right, all the all the 2.0 apps will get your OPML Yeah. Okay, I'm doing something else here for a second.

Share your bone. Okay, so if all the if all the 2.0 apps, and I think they all do now support OPML export, they have that code in I'm already now. So they, they should be able to do that I need to tell you a story about default lists, just so I get it off my chest, I have to absolve myself of this detail. Radio userland was the aggregator slash blog client that Dave Weiner wrote. That's how I got interested in that's how eventually that collaboration led to podcasting.

But even before that, before, before we started working on that, probably couple of years before I don't remember, I don't remember the timing exactly. I saw this this aggregator like this radio user land like, wow, I want my blog to be in that first list of, of 20. Of 20 blogs, and I gave him $10,000 to put my name in there as a default. No, I think he's told me that I was on I was on the default feeds list in a lot of podcast app for a long, long time because of that it paid

off. But I'm just saying that it still feels bad. Many, many decades later. It's like taking wooden silver like I can at what you can eat Okay, real. It's the real OPML lists from this is what from the user this is what I like I think this is a very exciting idea. Yeah, you in the listeners have, you can have that side of things. And then you could also have the host side of things where they have their lists that they

put into the way but yes, we can put it all together. I mean, but I just think like this, you gotta have I would drive it from the listeners have have anyone can contribute. Why not? Why

wouldn't I mean? Why wouldn't an app itself so here's just your right we can have what is share my OPML that's, that's the bottom line doesn't matter who you are, what type of entity You are as long as we can all share it and then we can aggregate it and come up with some fun stats or, Hey, we got we got a lot of

people, we just need to have the data. I'm sure people like, you know, there's some AI MSL KYC AML people out there who will do something really cool with it and come up with some, some cool charts and graphs and maybe recommendation engines. I don't know. Yeah, that's this is this one. But it's a machine readable. I thank you for saying it. Let's not let's stop fighting the joke. Just embrace embrace this world embrace this brave new world of

hope in this brave new world of OPML. That's 25 years ago. Oh my goodness. That this, this old professor of mine and took took a classroom called extraterrestrial life. It was in in college, one of the funniest classes I've ever had. And he he made the statement that all you know, all the best scientists eventually become astrophysicist. They eventually turn their turn their focus to space. And yeah, all the best ideas are always eventually

become share your OPML so let's just do it. Let's just go that way. Well, and let's just be careful here. We're doing cuz you're right. All things. Just the tip, Dave, let's be careful. It's not not go all the way. This is easy, does it? What was the beauty of Napster? Was it just that you could search for something and download it? Or was it? Hey, I'm downloading this thing. And let me see what else this dude has on his drive.

That exploration was part of the beauty of it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, because you can see the whole collection and not just the thing you want it. It's like I would love to have access to now I'm gonna get fancy here because I would love to have a true OPML file and have it foldable by whatever. Like an outline. I think James Cleveland's OPML will be pretty interesting to look at. Your This is crazy. This is crazy talk. You want actual valid OPML

I know. I'm sorry. Instead of just a subscription list you and I have you haven't right valid OPML but Okay, what else? Yeah, exactly. Yes. That's the crazy talk. I'm talking about the only person the only person younger than then 50 Besides us that cares about valid opium mill is Christopher ICs. Right well he right now he's like well, he can't believe his luck. He by the way he he is share my OPML this what is his name? That's his middle name is share European.

I just does he have an API to his stuff? Because he's got a lot of stuff going on and OPML I don't know he's runs like a runs like a rack of like 20 year old servers in his garage differ. This is up your alley, brother. This is the stuff you know about. That, I guess they call this a cool idea. I like it. So on the well, quick update on pod ping dot cloud. Yes. This seems to I'll be honest. It's given me a little

bit of a reliability issue. Feelings anxiety. No. Well, I had a misfire with no agenda. How did that Oh, I don't know. So Mr. Id three tags. So head on. May have been you. Wow. Thanks. IT support. How you help everyone at the firm day. First thing you do is blame the user? Of course. It's never my fault. Check the caps lock you Dumbo Castle hook. Yeah, it's a problem between the keyboard and the brain in the brain. But I don't know I don't I don't think

is there a reliability issue with puffy? No cloud on it? Well, okay. Okay. To me. Todd hasn't successfully done a live pod ping in his life. That mine mine failed yesterday. What's going on? And all I see is Brian of London going Yeah, look, I've got to 8000 things going on and and Facebook. I can't tell you why. How rich I'm going to be off of them. And then Dave comes in and goes, well, this one broke and the AAA dot two and the BB BB is running

fine. But meanwhile, Todd has Ivan. Here's what's happening. Todd is trying to reach me with his live pod ping. And I'm not getting them so I'm missing the show. And not only that, but he does a dumb title and then I missed the show. You're breaking up our relationship with this pod ping issues he's trying to reach is a long distance relationship and I'm interfering with this. It's like a channel it's like a lightning channel being down when the when the connection is broken. You feel that

I cannot. I cannot explain why Todd cannot send a left HUD. No, I don't know what's wrong with this, but I do. But, but I know what the solution. I don't know what the problem is. But I do know what the solution is. Now, for instance, oh, no, I'm sorry. We did get a live ping for podcasting two point. Okay, that did work. Yeah, yeah. And what I see right here on my phone, what's, what's the solution?

The solution is the next version of pod pain dot cloud, which we are working to get, because once once we get lot of reason code support in piping dot cloud, then then we don't have to rely on these alternate solutions. People can just send what they're used to. They can just send there's their thing. They're paying to pop into a cloud with a lot of reason code. And, you know, and all these other hacky side solutions, have they could they go away? Right. So I think that's really

ultimately the fix. And we're getting we're getting there we we've got the back end and front end talking to each other now. And thank you to thank you to Alex for rescuing me from my via from trying to take figure out how to take this protocol buffer and send it over the socket. In a way, it was driving me crazy. I'm like, I know, this is it, I know, this is the thing that I

got to sin, and it just would not work. And so he looked at any in, he was like, oh, you can't send this in pieces, it's got to be, it's got to be all you got to send the whole buffer at once. Like, oh, for me, I was beating my head against the wall. And then he also found that I was not wrapping it in the correct type. So anyway, he was able to spot some put fresh eyes on his spot what I was doing wrong. So we got that working. Now it's crashing, on the on the back end on on the

hive writer. So the ultimate. So we're trying to do this in a way that's modular as well, because ultimately, we want to have more than just the hive writer, we want to be able to have other back end writers where this where you send a pod pain to piping dot cloud, it gets written to hive, it gets written to IPFS, Pub Sub, whatever, you know, all it can blast out into a whole bunch of different backends as appropriate, okay. And so that's we're sort of trying to solve all these things

at once. With by by designing the correct architecture up front. And correct architecture. Is this one too many socket? Yes. You're doing this in your spare time as Alex as is Brian. Yeah, yeah. And I love you guys for this. Getting close. It's getting close to the holidays is made things hard. That's what she said. It's so I'm sorry, I'm real punchy. We started an hour later, Dave. I mean, it's your fault. Basically. It's too I blame retro you had way too much.

This problem is it's not me. It's the dirty the dirty chat room. Oh, they get you fired. I read your quote in the chat room and you'll understand. Okay. Yes, yes. Yes, of course. Of course. As you guys. They baited me Good job, boys. You got this. See this is this is what I do. I do double entendre Yes. Without realizing it does actually trigger me through the chat room. You're so brilliant. So my my my most famous example of accidental double entendre is

me and my wife went to Logan's Roadhouse. I don't know if y'all have those in Texas or not. I don't think so. It's like a chain steakhouse place. We get have a beef snob. I don't go to chains. Yes, yes. But we went there for out on a date night or something like that. And we have, we had a couple of steaks and then and I'm so full. I can't I mean, I can't eat anything else. But this waiter who's like, I don't know. 19 years old. He comes

over to the it comes back to the table. He's like, Hey, can I can I get you awesome dessert? Well, my dad, for my dad has always he has all these these sayings. Like he's just famous for these sayings. And one of these, one of his classic sayings is when he's really full and somebody asks him if you want dessert. He's like, I'd have to rub it on the outside. Because no room. So, so this 19 year old God it says do wasn't desert. And I

said, and I flubbed it. I flub the joke. And I said, you'd have to rub it on me. And so the look on his face when I said you have to rub it on me, man. He went, why does this sheet thought, oh my God, these are some sort of this is some sort of creepy swinger couple or something. He just he just turned around and walked away. Yeah, that's the only appropriate response. Then Then, when he brought me the check, like, he was like, an effing ninja when he brought this check. I mean, I don't know

how the check even appeared on our table. It was like he was I mean, it's like he didn't even want to get close to us. That's too funny, man. I forgot what I was even talking about. I don't know. I'm looking at these, these stats. And I thought this was a great little colab. And I heard I heard Todd and Rob talking about add, the stats are not useful. We need them three 710 14 3060 days and need them right away, though. Yeah. Todd was not happy with my stats.

No, he was very demanding. But now I have a question because I don't quite understand it. So I'm looking at the JSON. I got the feed count total episode. And now it has two categories has feeds with new episodes. Three days and new episodes. Three days. What is the difference? Oh, where you're looking? You're looking at the thing I posted? Yeah, the JSON? Daily counts dot JSON. Yeah, which is, which is immediately not not the right

way to immediately a bad file name. Because it's not a daily it's an hourly, so I've already screwed that up. Well done. Thanks. I'm trying to find the link so I can even see that podcast. index.org/daily_watch Why are you laughing at me? I'm just laughing because you're having to tell me what I did. It's okay. Slash pockets and dinners daily underscore count dot JSON. So stupid. I don't even know my own files. Oh, yeah. Okay, sci fi, total count episode count total. 100 16 million. That's a

lot. Feeds with new episodes. Okay, so feeds that have posted a new episode within three days. But what is new episodes, three days? That's how many new episodes have been posted in the last three days total across the board. Oh, okay. So oh, so in the last three days, it's pretty much double the amount of episodes as there are feeds with new episodes, I saw that so many feeds would have more than one episode. In the past three days. Okay, that's, well, that's very interesting.

New episodes. So over the last 90 days, there's been 5,685,338 New episodes, right? A little bit over. So I like seven days, because that's, that seems to be the biggest. That's a big number here. Just makes sense. Because 10 days, it drops off. So it feels like there's probably too, I'm just gonna pick a number in between this probably 250,000 podcasts that update on a weekly basis that we're aware of. Does that make sense? Well, it should be right there. What's that number was? It was

11,000. So yeah, 77. Yeah. That's your count right there for a seven day period. That's how many shows have posted at least one new episode. And someone's making a lot of money for that billion dollars that's flowing around this business. Right? It's gotta be one guy in there. One guy in there is making $900 million. That's a billion dollars divided by 211,000. That's a lot of money. Which one is it? Yeah. Who are you guy?

Okay, so that's these numbers, man. It's so so doable to get in there and get something done in there? I think so. I mean, three OSI 338 to 5,685,338 episodes, divided by 487,236 shows to over nine over 90 days. That's averaging. Excuse me, that's 11 New episodes per feed over a 90 day period. So yeah, so a little more than ones like 1.7 1.4 A week or something. Yeah, feels like I don't know what I what it feels like I find

I'm bored. Now. You know what it seems like it seems like 18 years later, and this is the amount of podcasts that are really active and we still haven't figured out how to do advertising. Get a clue Got feeds with value blocks. 10,495 Yeah, this is my favorite. This is my favorite. My favorite number, and then feeds with transcripts 22,058. Of which most of it Buzzsprout, I believe. Yeah, I would pass a yes or half, I think. Yeah, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. I like that.

Look at the episode numbers, episodes or transcripts? 534,202. That's all me this year, at least a third of them? A lot. But I think these are great numbers. I love that. No, I loved it. Don't change the name to hourly or lose it. These are good numbers. I really never find it in this updates. Let me guess every hour? Yes. That's why it's called Daily, because it updates every hour. Okay, I'm gonna change that name. But if we can just

add more stuff. So, you know, once you go down this rabbit hole, you can just stat all the things so you know, like feeds with fees with chapters. feeds that are music, medium feeds and podcast follow up right there. How are we doing with Slurpee? We did a big import last week is not called a slurp it did us a spit as a slurping spit. Sure it wasn't a song, it was just a specific topic. The I'm gonna have to limit your 100% of retro time

before the show. This is the reason why I say that makes you to spice and when I had my company think new ideas. It was a big company 700 people and so we had put we put these processes together to run. But you're basically building websites, you know, but for big companies, Budweiser, Reebok, you know, stuff like this. And we would and we it's kind of up to us, we could create whatever we wanted,

within reason with the client sign off and back end stuff. So we had the system, which we literally called the process. And at the time staging and production, so you'd have client services, who would be you know, on the staging server with the client, the client checking it all making sure it's okay, good or good. It can go to can go to production, and they literally had a suck order. That's what they have stuck it over to send it live. So that's where that comes from.

So you'd have to put in a circle with a quarter. Yes, exactly. You want to know who devised the system? Oh, yeah, that would have been 100%. You people love using it, though. See? So I had this. I had this. Yeah, we're the meat, the music thing is going it's continuing to go as just takes forever. Because yeah, don't analyze all this stuff. And I don't want to pay $900 a month for a GPU instance on Linode. No, no, no, but we have a man. Okay. So do we. Yeah, that would

be the one I'd love to see. Next. We'll have the harmony news. Yeah. Did we talk about that last week about the different search endpoints that there are now so I don't think maybe, that people can use now if you're for app developers that want to index they want to be able to search music. There's a search, there's

more, you can search only music podcast. Now if you want to only find, you know, music, music stuff, you want to search within music stuff, and it'll just return only podcasts that have been tagged with a music medium. That's that's pretty powerful. I like that. Yes, it needs me to use it. Well, well, okay. It's, it's chicken in the egg, it's always going to be that if we put on our homepage or on our stats page.

This many feeds, you know, that music enabled or whatever the terminology is, and published that people will start like, oh, that's just I can go to the value for Value tab and I can get the value for value podcast. You do it for music. And that'll get me really interest rate or On Demand.

Right? Yeah. And then Okay, so we'll just have the traffic for now because the only other thing the only other app that does music that I'm aware of is curio caster, so we'll just we'll just keep that we'll get that started. Yeah, I thought about putting a little proof of concept a little demo app up that would just do Oh, that's even better than just a one single page Yeah, you know, little nothing at that that nobody's ever going to want to use as their Yeah, just as your daily show a

different layout. And by the way, grand dukes or David Foley is remaking the no agenda Roku app, which guess they upgraded to the version 2.0 of the sparkle schnitzel, whatever, whatever code you have to use for the if it's not schnitzel sparkle 2.0 Then they took that off. So, you know, some some great developer put this together years ago. So we got taken down and we can't find the guy he hasn't, you know, we don't know where he is. So David's gonna make a new one.

And he knows how he has all the 2.0 she Parkinsonism sparkle stuff. And but he's I know he's listening. He's also then going to put a music thing in it's going to be interesting because the Rogan i It has audience, I got people saying, what happened? I always listened to the Roku. It's weird, but yeah, they're doing a great music podcast, the Roku app would be really cool. Oh, yeah. It's like screaming for this integration. Oh, I would I would use I would actually use that a lot. Because

we we do that a lot here in the house. We take you know, we'll use the Spotify app or Pandora or something like that. Just have music playing in the background. Yeah. Oh, I would totally do that. Well, you can also do it. All we want is one for value for value, though. And David's got to put that in a note you mean I want to I want to see confetti spewing on my TV screen from a Roku app. That's what I want to see. Oh, you boost straight from the remote. I haven't able mocha.

Yeah, maybe you can do that. I don't know might work. And then eventually we'll get them to put a boost button on the remote. No, you don't want to sit on that. You're talking now you're talking I like that idea. Ya know what you mean Ice Cube soup about proof of concept apps. But but if I'm making if I make it crappy enough, nobody will want to want to do so. I can solve that problem. Wow, that's exciting. Can you also be also gonna put it in this in the stats somewhere put the music feed.

Okay, let's do that. Let's drive we got to drive demand. And once you here's what happens. Everyone's sitting around waiting for us to do a tape. Just how it works. Which means we just got to do it. Which means no which means you got to do it. This is the problem. There's only one of you know, that's how I started then Alice rescues me and then and then we and then we have a product this is pretty this is how this goes every time well there's a lot of smart people out there who I'm sure

would love to help with some time and talent. True. So we thank a few people who have been boosting us live it's been the numbers are big today. Something's going on something in the air. Oh yeah, sure. Yeah, that'd be great. I'm not quite sure why but people are just oh wait yeah, Bitcoin of course was Bitcoin. They're boosting. Boosting the dip is what they're doing chat F p back a p bebchuk. There you go. problem exists between chair and keyboard. That's that's what

we're looking for. That's 20,000 SATs. Thank you Chad. 11,111 from na millennial. I wish I really wish someone would automate the pod ping process with a simple scripting language like Python. It has been there's an example in the repo. You don't even need Python. You can do it with the command line or the shell script shell script. Yeah. So take that booster lujah booster. This is 111,111 Satoshis from source D lit sticks Archie. Thank you very much 1212 from

tone wrecker. There's another source D with the same 111,111 Satoshis I think at this point I'd call out 20 is Blaze only Impala more sticks and says go podcast go podcast now we have 100,000 SATs from Sam Sethi stars star of many podcasts including Sam talks tech that is what it's called yeah in star of many buckets including ones that never published an episode like the off the mic one which was off the mic had never even published it was aborted before it was even born Sam says I would prefer

activity pub was defined as a listener to listener messaging protocol get slash post and booster Graham's were defined as a comment from listener to creator Oh, that's an interesting point. But agree adding Mastodon addresses to hosts should be a no brainer also add rel equals me to profile for verification. Or inside of podcasts. txt or podcast person tags. Yes, I think Sam was seeing how things are fitting together. Yeah. Is he you know everyone's talking about his secret project.

He's supposed to my understanding is they supposed to unveil say That secret project at Podcast Movement evolutions like when I don't know when that is but it's I think oh will it be with like like a party and a DJ and drinks no booth babes I don't know that we call that entertainment it's that's where the billion dollars in podcasting is going right Brando sellers 25,000 simple old boost what we love that sorry boost boost boost Brian of London 1948 I hate to say but we

could do everything we do on Mastodon on the hive community. Yeah Is there really? Yes if you get Dave Winer to set up a blog on hive I will do it too. Right it will challenge Okay, what else do we have here we have the striper boost 70 777 from Pfeiffer booster bust, and a test boost from me. Oh, here's Dobby das from RSS. blue.com. Yeah. 21,100 21,001 Thank you prime. Prime boost. There you go. Thank you very much. Very cool. Todd Cochran. Whoa, 180,420 20 blades on I am Paula.

So it's like code man. This theory is proven. is proven fully. I mean, you You abused how you talk shit about Todd and he sends us 180,000 sets. I mean, it's just this like, it's not it's not just 180 120 130,000 for 20 Get it, though, just change to get Alby because my node continues to have routing issues. But as Adam recommend, as Brad Adam recommended, I'm going to try that for a while Dave. Looking forward to the new

pod ping enhancement. Thank you for providing the stats output we're looking for this is going to prove to be very valuable. Hence the nice Satoshi boost today. See this is that thank you. That's value for value. Beautiful. Thank you very much. Glad glad to do it, Todd and anybody else that needs I mean, if you need stuff from the API, just ask. I will always do my best to get it to you. I think that's what we have. From the Live booster grams. I

think blueberry shows up on your sheet. So you want to thank these people in our value for value proposition which keeps the entire shebang running, including $90 a month for apparently. On house. We've got let's see. We got to pay pals. Fiat Fu and fun coupons are always appreciated. One is from our buddy, Franco Celerio from Casta Matic. Hey, Franco decent 6969 Nice. He's he says thank you, Adam, Dave, and all the podcasting. 2.0 gang. Thank you, Franco,

Franco, Franco, man, let me give you some noise for that. 6969 He didn't say it, but I know you wanted to hear it. Oh, yeah, he wanted to $25 from Lowell. I'm going to try to say his name. Lowell. brillant, b r i l l a n t e. Thank you. And there's no note but thank you lo really very much appreciate it. We've got we've got lots of booster grams, but this is going to be a challenge because I am but it solved itself. It fixed itself. My email wouldn't open. But now it's

oh, you know what, you know what's gonna come next? We moved. just moments away from that. From that happening, we're ready for you. rebooted right before the show. So it's fine. It's not going to do any isn't there's going to be zero problems. I love the stability of your Linux. Yes. Chaos. 99 90,000. SAS to fountain Thank you. He says boosting the NCAA discussion. We'll see now there you go. I know it was boring. But we got a nice boost for it was my

discussion of the NCAA of college football. I didn't think that was boring. Did I say it was boring? No. I said it was boring because I was boring. By the time I get to the that's pretty boring. If you're boring yourself. That is an issue. Yeah. Thank you chaos 99 appreciate that. Donkey gave us 100 SATs and this is below the limit. But he says I was wondering if I could also put my fountain wallet address in the Art Generator. Yeah. What do I need an ABI wallet which I don't

have. Yes, you can put that in the wallet. Yeah. If it's your username at fountain [email protected] Then that's fine. I think so and you do this also. Answer CSBs question because he was asking about whether or not you could whether or not there was a you could also use other wallets besides lbu using the landing address format in Fountain is one of those well, as long as it has it, yeah. As long as a wallet exists, well, as long as it has the known URL, thingamabob setup.

I think it does. Yeah, no, it has your Yeah, it has to Yeah. Because that's how I look up. You know, the custom key. Yeah. Gene Everett 3333. And he says, boost give me this one. Sorry. That's no good behind you. Yes. Up in 1984. Sin is 3000 SATs and he says, to clarify on my boost about financial ramifications, the tags discussion gave me an idea to avoid those financial ramifications through automation. Human error is currently costing the company

Fiat fun coupons in this idea would reduce those errors. Also, the idea has maybe a 10% chance of being implemented but there's an r&d position opening up soon so I'm trying to get on management's radar ahead of the competition. booths, very small card. Mere Mortals podcast or buddy Karen big real estate's 11 111 through fountain and he says Good riddance to all the good jokes. Yeah, dabba doo bows, the Bozak send us 1500 says through fountain No, no, thank you. Oh, here, we gotta

gotta read this one. It's 777 s below the limit. He says Venom's black metal album was one of my favorites back in junior high. Thanks for the nostalgic moment. Great. Franco Celerio also sent us 6969 SATs. Whoa, whoa. And what else would he use besides CAC asthmatic goes to grams, the latest two booster grants by Franco Celerio. The ones without a message were not set by me.

Either a rogue AI has taken control of cast ematic and began sending SATs on his own will, during my debug sessions, or somebody is impersonating me and sending his own money in my name. No complaints. V. O S. T. Bag. Yeah, I'm trying Karen Karen's back with another 111 111 He says unjustified confidence is actually way better than justified insecurity, you'll live a better life like that. Even if you get yourself into a bit more trouble. I have, I can't argue

with that at all. On that, when it comes to justified belief, there's a very good book by Alvin Plantinga, called warrant and proper function. I would highly suggest it if anybody can get there. And what's it about? It's about why is the philosophical foundations for being confident in a belief irrespective of how you get to irrespective of of the quality

of the proof. So you can believe how can we know say how can we have confidence that the things we believe are true in the in the capital T sense, even if they are things that don't have that sort of empirical truth about them? Sounds like a page turner. Yeah, if you're into epistemology, it will definitely be Karen again, he's triple dipping to 22 to 22 through curio caster, and he says, I watched the FTX debacle on many different crypto podcasts and videos and came away with a new

takeaway. Many of them had been sponsored by FTX. backpedaling embarrassment. Yeah. So the advertisement model isn't just since aureus, but also can the cast unpleasant reflections of association. And then midway through, they would start talking about their sponsor crypto.com or Nexo or another

custodial exchange. Yeah. I learned something just as as data continues to come in, which I thought was interesting, which may help us understand a little bit about the the reason why it could get out of hand like this. And all these so called sophisticated people had not really seen that there was no regulatory oversight. Turns out, they spent about $2 billion on acquiring companies or pieces of companies that already had regulatory approval. They even

had a heading forwards called regulatory acquisitions. So they were starting to pick up bits and pieces of regulatory approval by buying into or of wholly acquiring company needs that had some form or some version of it and I can totally see Sequoia Capital going hey, you know we spend this money but these guys are rolling up the it's gonna take forever to get regulation but with these guys are rolling it up into one ball

there'll be the do whatever they want something like that. So if you're buying your way into the system rather than building it, but basically the reason why no one caught it is because it's the same way Wall Street. This is the same way everywhere. It's all corrupt. Did you did you read? The initial is the guy that's the inner this the caretaker CEO right now that's doing all the auditing? Yeah, I know. He's the guy that that stepped in for Enron. Ron. Yeah. That to me,

says cover up. That guy that guy was pulled in within seconds. Oh, I wouldn't say though he blasted it from top to bottom. Makes me feel even more certain he's covering up something. He's gonna put the blame where the blame has to go. Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah. A lot of people did not go to jail in the Enron thing. Some people die in jail. He's there to clean it. He's the fees the cleanup guy. He's the hatchet man. No, he's clean. Oh, no, no, he's the cleanup. Yeah, he's cleaning

up the bodies. Yeah, he's rolling stuff up in carpets. He's chopping chopping limbs. What he says when he points the thing, his his humongous finger Aha. Is point gets pointed in the directions that it needs to be pointed at. In order for the parade. It doesn't get pointed that to not have to endure any real talent have any connection to the Democratic Party. We can't have any elite connections. We will throw celebrities under the bus. So

you know Tom Brady, you know, on and on and on. That's the distraction. That's what all the news reports are. Oh, yeah. And it's. And then on the other side, you have Mitch like Mitch McConnell taking donations from for his leadership campaign. It's all all over the place. But it's so beautiful because this this entire sham which was basically run by PR and people buying into the PR is now being cleaned and covered up by the PR of Oh, geez. Did you hear what

the guys sorry to make you sound dumb? Did you hear what the guy said? He was from Enron. It was all a mess. You didn't say it like that. But that's the trick. That's the trick is that yeah, you did. That's the way I sounded to myself. That's the trick. That he got me It sucked me in. Yeah, it's just practice. That's the only reason and you know what I'm doing a little bit of a dive on the guy. See what's going on. Thank you, Karen Kyron. Thanks for getting us on. That. was all about

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I've got one package left I've been doing. I've been eating a hamburger at nine o'clock in the morning every morning for less. How you feel? I'm feeling good. I think different windows made a big difference. Do you think you think it has made a difference? For your next order if I just try something different? Okay, if I can recommend holy cow beef, holy cow. They're in Lubbock, Texas. And they said you can buy the primal ground beef from them.

And that is ground beef, but it includes heart liver, the ground up all the good stuff in there, as well with organ meats. Yes. And we tried some the other day. We were both like, Oh, do you have to hold our nose? Nuts. It's just beautiful. You don't take this? No. I mean, don't eat it raw. But but there's no there's no real weird taste or smell or anything like that. And okay, both are really good after eating it. Yeah, yeah, I'll definitely do that. Alright, thanks. Cool. That's that's

for that's for the next one. And it's a different flavor profile. You know, they have different cows. It'll be fun to try it. It's a little more it's probably a little more irony is a little bit more of a livery type flavor to Tina. I know Tina made made taco meat with it. And it was just like great taco meat. Oh, sweet. It was spicy because she spiced it but you know, it was like, huh, tastes like spicy shit liver. No, I didn't have that. But not at all.

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account. What I found is you can toot mp3 on Macedon and have those appear in the index with enough nudging does producing a boost double toot. Oh, is that is that true? I don't know. But I'll tell you that what I'm learning here is that podcast index dot social RSS feeds are version 2.0. And they declare the Yahoo media RSS namespace they should be declaring the podcasts namespace well it's yes of course they should. Well I don't know exactly what he's what black voodoo he is

doing. But he for sure as gotten Toots to show up as episodes in the index. What I don't understand Ah wait on that on that that index ID Yeah, just posted it in the in the chat in the In the chat room that's the that's 57938960 Look at that I don't understand what he's doing here get spooky going around these here parts so that's that's what plays me bitch. Oh crap that's

interesting so he has two episodes. The first two episodes there's something spoken going and then it goes to spooked out social look looks like he's embedded something if I follow the mastodon Linko spook does social oh well he uploaded audio well let me take a look at this RSS feed is just crazy. When that'd be nuts if you can tell this page is not available. Okay, so he's hacked something nonstandard, I guess.

www dot feed up behind the schemes.com/bb fi dot XML Yeah, that's not as Mastodon feed. We're gonna have to we're gonna have to figure something out here. I don't know also, yeah, I don't I don't see these posts on his Mastodon per se. All right, Bouverie code or it didn't happen. Let's see. See Bouverie again. 80,000 Oh, eight big boob donation he says the podcast index boosted through the podcast index website. That's a massive boob donation.

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time ish playback of chess in a nude podcast app. This goes out the window if you skip around or listen at a faster rate. There's another link here so he's jacked this on pod verse oh man, can I love this this is this is oh there it is. Okay, so if I hit this was not able to prepare Okay, so then I should see this in the chapter and it should be my only logical cause to this shouldn't I see the chapters here somewhere? A chapter here we go.

This is not just scissors this is way beyond scissors this is like hedge hedge hedge hedge cutters or whatever you clip oh my goodness yes I see it you got a big is a 45 minutes that's got to be like a 300 meg GIF. I don't know can I save image yeah BTS chapter chess long was take a look. I'll tell you how big it is I hope people actually enjoy us doing dumb stuff. Six mags not too bad it must be Jeff Jeff chest Jeff is just about 120 it's it's a standard size chest Wow, that's a new one for me.

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time. So if you want to start an argument, then now's the time. Go I gotta I gotta get you back to the office. Man. You're busy, busy. When does this end? We miss you know, I'm, I'm off the rest of the day. Oh, the rest of the day. Oh, okay. I thought you started. We started late. But we got. We got? No, I thought you had to go late. Or you had to go back to the office? No, man, I'm good to go for today. I'm not and I'm off next week for the Thanksgiving. Which Which brings up a point. Well,

we're both not be having a show next week. Yeah, we will not be having a show for the Thanksgiving festivities. Quite honestly, I don't know of any corporation anywhere that has a board meeting between basically on Black Friday. Yeah, so So yes, there'll be no board big now. What's interesting is the week after that, I hope to be able to conduct a board meeting. I think we can and I think it's going to be similar thing to today. I've got to do a presentation, a actually a

Bitcoin presentation for a bunch of lawyers. So it's like a CPE thing for them. And so I'm gonna do I'm gonna do that. And that's, that's it like 11 o'clock. So I shouldn't be in and then just going to take the rest of the day off after that. So I'll be should be able to hit the show around two o'clock, I think and that is Friday the 25th. No, that's no idea. The second Okay, so the second so here's the thing. I may not be capable of doing the show. Because you're having your mouth surgery

that way. On Tuesday. Yeah. So we're thinking it should not be a problem. But let's just know that we might have to do it Saturday. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll just play it by ear as you feel you know, based on your health. It's just if I can talk that's all you can be so goals. Oh. I am so anxious about it. Like are you nervous? Or never I've never been knocked out. I've never had an issue. I'm more nervous about the anesthesia than about the

procedure. And then I know what the procedure is done then I just know you know, it's a process temporaries I have a bone marrow transplant because of bone loss. So that has to heal. So that takes two three months, then the actual implants come. So it's just a I feel sorry for you brother. No, I appreciate it. But I should have done this. Honestly is eight nine years ago I should have this is just hey, you know some people got a weak heart. My head's falling apart. We're

gonna everyone's got something this is me. This is this is my thing. This is my mechanical and mouth mouth stuff. But it's important that's what I have to do it because it's so important for your overall health. It is really affects your health in crazy ways. Now you're you're thinking you were told by the mother dental surgeon that this is going to help your sinuses too, right.

Yeah, I've I've had we couldn't figure out why I was so allergic after never having that in my life and then moving to Texas and it was kind of coincidental. But yeah, I've had this, this low level kind of infection up near my upper molars and they have been just whenever I eat, which I always thought oh, I'm going to restaurant in Austin boy. Oh, there it is. I've got the allergy again. No, I'm chewing. Oh, and that's releasing the Yes. And that sends it

off and then you know then the sinuses start flowing. Then you're done. That's amazing. It's crazy how that we always look for things we look for. What are you gonna cut like causation? For correlate? You know, we're like, Oh, yeah. For years. Yeah, it makes so much sense that this was just one thing but it's not. And all it took was like a five minute CT scan, which I'd never done one of those but that's, you know you put your head in

there. Okay, and then yeah, just go take a look. drill right down through your head. Oh, look, there's the there's the inflammation right on an East Side view, rotate, enhance zoom, arrest him. Kill us up the address. Oh, wait, I see something in the reflection on the bumper. Let's see. But, you know, Alex Bosworth? Yes. From balance of Satoshis. Yes, the balance of Satoshis. The guy tool. If people don't know what balance Satoshi is, it's a it's a it's a, it's written in

JavaScript. But it's a command line tool to let you pull all of your transactions. It does a lot of stuff. I mean, it's like a Swiss Army knife of lightning Node Management. But one of the things it does it has an accounting function. So you can run baz the name of this named Toby OS boss space, accounting, space, and then a bunch of options Command Line switches to pull down your lightning know transactions for certain time

periods and things. Then you can also say, okay, resolve it to fiat, so it will produce this nice CSV file of, let's just say all the transactions for the month of, of of a dozen residue, if it doesn't run out of memory after three hours what exactly I did running everywhere that I gave up on balance of Soto's except for doing report, I think I think report just, I could get a report out of it, but nothing, nothing. I couldn't do anything else.

Okay, well, through working with him on that issue, because I was trying to, I will, on a monthly basis, what I do is download, I use bars, or was using bars to download all the transactions

out of our lightning node into a CSV file for the month. So as soon as let's just say if it gets if it's, as soon as the June is June 1 hits, I'll grab all of Mays transactions into a CSV ends in and have because that way you can have it resolve the Trent the SATs into Fiat, on the fair market value of the day that the transaction happened. Yeah, that's so cool. And boss does that right? It looks up does a date that even the time or just the day, close price.

I think it's the closing price of the day. It is through you can go through one or the you can go through coin desk or coin Gecko to resolve those amounts. Right. And it was working fine until April. Then when I tried to pull maize. This has been a few months ago. It just crapped the bed. I mean, like it. It crashed, memory exhausted, done. Okay, so I haven't been using it since. And I was like, Okay, well, at the end by that sometime by the end of the year, we have to get this resolved,

because we'll need to pull our accounting for taxes. So I just started getting in there while I was working. I couldn't get it to work. Through working with Alex Bosworth in the telegram channel. We went back and forth. And he he found the issue and fixed it. Really what was it? Yes, it was just a memory management thing. He was pulling. He said that it's got to do with the way he was pulling the transit the settled

invoices out. He was pulling them all at once, all at once, and then filtering, rather than pulling just the filtered invoices. That was That's my layman's understanding of what he was doing. But he pushed a couple of changes. Finally, we found the right combination of things. And it's fixed this and then I ran it and took about nine hours. Well, for what for one month? No for May through October. So I ran month 56789 and 10. So it

took nine and a half hours. And it produced. Let's see, two is like something like two not 2,900,000 transactions. Oh man, what's what version is? is updating? Do you know? It's 13 point 5.1 is where the fixes are. I'm on 11 How the hell did that happen? That's no yeah, you're way behind. I must have to get a different repo or something I can't find had the stats, but I can't find it. But I was trying to find the exact count. But there so it had I mean there

were there was a lot of transactions. So we're we're well over Are 5 million transactions now? In our l&d data processing crazy. What's even crazier is that no one no one in any of the initial development lightning labs anywhere, no one has anyone really considered that this will be used for I don't know, micropayments. Right. This is what this is, what gets me is just insane. But it works. That's the, that's the even more insane part, this

is how it works. Somehow these millions of transactions, it just keeps on chugging. Well, when you do not discount to the community. You know, I was, I've been reading a lot about networks, particularly, you know, my interest in networks has always been there. But, you know, kicking a G 20, Member off of Swift, you know, what kind of implications does that have, I'm interested in, in networks. And ultimately, the network is just, it's a network, but it's what's

connected to the network. And our nodes are peering our

routing with, you know, with the players with the players. We got the players, they got the swagger, you know, we have breeze, we got our B, we got an LM PE with a fountain, it's like, the the players are connected, and we got the, the smaller individual nodes, and there's all kinds of people like Orson Welles or whatever, Steve Jobs who comes in with 10 million sat channels, and it's the community that makes it work otherwise, and Trudeau Justin Trudeau otherwise, it just

wouldn't work at all. So chapeau Bye, everybody. Good job, everybody. That's a wrap. Well done for today. Else, I had another I had one more thing I want to throw at you ensure I feel like we can do some sort of lightning liquidity checker. Oh, yeah. You were paying me about this. I don't necessarily want to go too far down this hole. But I feel like that could be a thing that we have a thing that we

offer. Because in here, here's the here's the way it looks to me in my head, let me just let me just hit you with this thing. If, if we rule out the big nodes, so anything, we just look at, look at all the we look at the node IDs is okay, we're, we're not going to bother checking anything that's on LM pay for anything that's own lb, or fountain or whatever. Like we just kind of toss those out. What you're left with is going to be mostly private nodes. So people like Todd, who are

running their own roles and things like that. If on a periodic basis, I don't know, once every few hours, six hours or so we just do a test route to them and see if a payment would fail. We don't we don't even have to send anything we just do a test a route payment. And see if it would if it would not route. We display that status. Some were to them or I don't know, that's the part I don't know about is how to make that

public. But when we could make that have that information available is basically trying to give an early warning system to hey, you're having a liquidity issue. It's a nice thing to do. I'm a little worried that it's just fixing a an ephemeral problem. This is all going to fix itself. You know, Todd's problem fix itself. She went to UK he went to Aldi Yeah, I guess I just don't want to I don't want to force people to get a custodial.

No, no, you see, but Okay, so you but it's not our job. It's the umbrellas of the world to do a better job to start nines of the world. This is their job. This is their job. And this is their job. It's also breeze and it's also the with the guys. You know, the lightning service providers, those that they're ramping up, they're going to come in and start offering you don't have to this is what I love about the breeze wallet. I have $500 in Satoshis in my breeze wallet. And that's what I

used to pay for stuff and why do I love it? I don't have to think about the liquidity ever. It's just there. Yeah, yeah, I guess Yeah, I guess you're right. Well, I just we have so much to do and I know you just I know you as much you hate as much as I do. It goes like this. Post a

picture. Your shirts broken. Yeah. And you look at it and like well Well, you know that you gotta go through the dance, you know what app you're using where you're boosting from, you gotta look, where's your it's just like, it's all good, I think it's going to get solved. I mean, everything points towards liquidity being managed in an in a, in a self sovereign way, that you'll just be renting liquidity, but it's still your keys, you own the transaction power, etc.

Yeah. And if your liquidity provider bails or something, you just go get another one. Yeah, that makes sense. I guess this is building out so fast. I mean, I wish I wish I had time to learn to code. Because I had this. Every day I wake up, there's another, I was listening to some podcast. And this is actually may be the stuff that reminded me of, I think, what happened to Sphinx, maybe they were getting into this. And as a company that's now going to electricity providers. So like,

go to the co op here. And their pitch is would you like to get your money faster? Yeah, and they all go Yeah, because they're dealing with, you know, month long turnaround times, risk of people not paying after 30 days and not being able to pay. And so they're doing in essence value for value streaming of Satoshis for for megawatts, or for kilowatts, or for watts. And well, and so yeah, so you fill up your, you

fill up your energy wallet. And at the, you know, every single watt, I guess, every watt that you your whatever, I guess the VA, that's gonna want to be kilowatts, every kilowatt that you use, you pay your eight 910 cents in SATs at the market price at that moment, at the at the moment, you use it as an

instant clip, and it cuts out five steps in between. Because along the way, they've basically seen that you can do splits, because it's not just the electricity provider, you know, there's all these different pieces down the line, including where your coop gets their electricity from, so you can split it all off right away and strip out. I think they calculated between 10 and 15% money that's just lost that ultimately, you're paying for as a customer, because of the

inefficiencies of the system. So I just wake up in the middle of the night with these ideas, and my urges to call you and I think oh no, we already have a great project going What am I doing? I got a great idea. Let's do energy. All I want. My life will be perfect. If you too. Dave Jones could retire from corporate life. Everything else is fine for me. Yeah, work. I love you. Happy Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving to you my brother Happy Thanksgiving to everybody. Thank you all for

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