Episode 108: Hard Out

podcasting 2.0 for October 28 2022, episode 108 part out hello everybody. And once again it is time for the weekly board meeting of podcasting 2.0 If you're a podcasting one point over you are welcome we're backwards compatible, everything going on a podcast index.org All the things that you need to know about the new standards, the namespace and of course

everything we're discussing a podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama ladies, they'll get to your email eventually say hello to my friend on the other end Mr. Dame Jones were early victims of the tredinnick not you know if only they had used tried Demick instead, they use triple Demmick which is dumb is bad marketing.

What would the twin demic was the one the previous one yes. So this is the I guess they couldn't they didn't set the standard with by by dynamic they had to go that it gets keep with the same off off label usage. So they went with try triple Dimmick. Now we discussed this on no agenda, and we decided that it was bad marketing because if you say dried Demick it sounds kind of scary. If you say triple Demmick it sounds like something you'd get at McDonald's.

Or a ride at an amusement ride. Yes, it's a triple Demmick I want to go on the trip with David daddy. The like the sense it's like a rat in The Simpsons area of Universal Studios. Exactly. Mary, Mary marigold my youngest my 12 year old she beautiful. Marigold. Thank you. Do you call her Mary for short or just hey, you know what, when when everything's when times are good. Yeah, it's Mary Mary and Mary gold. Yeah. Yeah, she woke up this morning with fever. Then my wife's coffin and

everything. Like oh crap, you see, triple damage down for the count. Super bug. We're all gonna die who has monkey pox these days. But it's coming. It just weighs it's gonna be the next big thing just you just got to wait. It's not here yet. Now just briefly, say my empty nester now, how you doing proper Alright, it's I'm getting there. You'll be laughing about this and it's six months. It's been rough man. I'm Miss missed the hell out of my kids. So you just had the one left?

Yeah, we spent. I mean, we spent 20 years trying to get rid of them. Ya know, in the trenches, I mean, like, not just not just with we didn't just have kids we like had day I had to manage them on a daily basis. You know, now then they leave and you're like, Ah, crap. You're like should we play a board game? What exactly should the little shit I know. I understand. We have that crocheted on a pillow the little shifts a little shit. Hey, nice to see the pod verse livestream page.

That was kind of a cool idea. It's a very cool idea. I mean, pod verse.fm/live streams I think let me see. Let's Yeah, it is and there we are. We're live it shows us live and it shows us pending before and it shows the 100% Retro stream live it shows curio caster live which is I didn't know Steven B had a stream I didn't I think that may be the in a stream I don't think that it actually him let me see because I leave it in it. I told you it is thinks that may be the in a struggle you better cut

that off its inception. We're gonna we're gonna die. Melt the internet. Well, that's that's okay. So I have a good question about this right off the bat. Is this a value for value? Just check. There's a link to the live stream things it's like a May it's a first class citizen right there on the left hand side of pod verse that FM

Oh, yeah, no, I know I saw that cool. But so Okay, so this curio caster stream now this is interesting, because I think it was Chad F who said to me hey, can you make a feed of the no agenda livestream? Like Well, that's cuz I did the feed for 100% retro, which I love how curio casters promoting it a little little banner there had you heard it yet? And I said, Oh, that's a good idea. We should do that. And then as I was thinking about it, this is an interesting challenge.

Because the no agenda stream is used for podcasts, and increasingly more live shows. I'd say I don't know what the ratio is. But there's a lot of people going live particularly since the lit tag came into existence, because there's boosting and there's interaction that's fun. And man that is it. Is a bowl for bowl who have you know, you trigger a certain amount of SATs and a goat sound goes off and No, that's, that's behind the behind the schemes, right? So yeah, Insanity is

beautiful. But if no, I love this, I wish that was packaged, I wish I could use it. I mean, I love those things, those little breaks, I'd set it really high and like I want the bell to go off and fireworks and so all this stuff. But if we do it on the stream, and then people are listening to the no agenda stream, the feed that I set up, that mean, there is currently no way to dynamically switch the value block based upon metadata coming from the spring from the stream or something else.

Because otherwise, it'll just go into whatever splits or whatever I determined. And I feel it'd be beautiful, if somehow we can, we can. It's kind of follows on what we talked about. On the last show where 100% retro, they want to be able to trigger pod ping events. But it's kind of more interesting, when you can trigger just based upon the metadata of the stream, a switch in the value block. I'm not sure where that happens or how that

works. But you understand that the basic issue why it wouldn't be right for me to have an overall stream whereas it would value for value. And if people are listening and curio caster and the listening to you know, Jean and and Darren and they want to boost they'd be there wouldn't be boosting them directly. If that makes sense. Yeah.

Yeah, I understand exactly what you say. This is the thing that I brought up last week that you told me was no problem because icecast had metadata and there's not a problem. Right? But I mean, it has metadata data, but how do we how do we catch it? How do we how do you dynamically change the block? How does all that work? I think that first thing wouldn't be pod pay, I mean, pod pain, makes sense that there would be a pod paying event that

fires off. Like that we'll see. So what you're doing like this, the, I guess we get about it, let's let's let's back up here for a second. So there's like a bunch of different things that we need to talk about in around this entire idea of stream of feeds, with things in them that don't have items. So we won't have I have items now. I mean, I feel that you should have items. And I didn't do that initially with 100 with 100%. Retro and now

they actually cutting promos every week. That's, you know, this week on 100%. Retro and I make that an item? Because I don't feel like you should have items. Okay, I disagree. I don't think I didn't put it in and it broke a lot of shit. So that was my that was my cue. It was like, Oh, I think I need items. Right. So let's go down there reference eight. So the I mean, the first I think we talked last week. I think Harv has right, I

think the chat. I think we talked about somehow attaching a chapters file. Right? Right, right. Live chapters. Yes, we did talk about that. That would be one way to do it. But then again, I think if you if you if we if we, you know, rewind here, if we go back to the original concept of a live item, then the live item is not meant to specify a stream, it's meant to specify an event. Yeah, event would be the change of DJ or the change of show. So you would

have a feed that would have multiple live items in it. All with pending, except one of them is live. And then the next one, that one rolls off in the and the next one goes live. So like your so that's the way it's supposed to work. And then the value block changes automatically. Right? So you would just need to send another pod ping to say live, and it would reference the same stream and then things would refresh writing in the value block would come through.

My My head's exploding. That's very cool. We basically have all the bits there. Yeah, I think it's already it's the problems already solved. The issue is that nobody's doing a feed that looks like that. So we don't see. Like, like, we don't see it. Okay, so perception issue, right. So what would basically have to happen this case? So if I put in 24 hours of it, by the way, I have no commercial involvement. I just liked this guy. I've known him for 100

years. He used to book me on gigs in Belgium, and, you know, he's just, he's just a dude trying to do something different. And I appreciate it. Could I would fill up 24 hours which would say be like five different blocks of, you know, or six different blocks of four or our or something like that and put them pending in the feed? The only thing that would then still because the feed will read them and we'll know okay,

that one's dead. This is this is the next this is the next one, but somewhere it has to flip to live in the in the feed, so that that would be a logic that logic would be on the publishing side. Yes, that's right. You know, actually, I think, do you think Stephen B is already built it? I mean, he's getting just excuses about being cut up and stuff. But um, yeah, I mean, like he got, he got knifed in the gut 20 times or something like,

Oh, my goodness, I'm so happy. He's okay. We got real quiet around him like, oh, no, this is not good. I'm looking at live on him real quick, because I find out if I remember, I find this incredibly exciting. By the way, I don't know why. But I just and I still am not getting Todd's new media show. Live pod pings. That assay this time we'll see. I'm trying to look and see what the attribute. Okay, so status start and end are all required.

Which is real easy with a with a linear radio stream, you know exactly when it stops, which is kind of cool. And that could be CMS can just drop that thing. Well, you could also it could be automatically generated by their playout system. So yeah, just come just straight. And just to try and just translate that right into XML. Yeah, they have, they have a full full scheduling system. With all the metadata, everything's in there. See, this is what Sam says he needs for his river radios.

Well, this would be the same exact scenario you just wrote, he just run that playout system into XML to generate the feeds, I use em air list. And that's something that's highly configurable, you can do script some stuff. So that might be some of the low. Well, okay, so this, but on the broader, sort of, like on the on the bigger view here, this brings up what we were talking about while ago, which is having a feed that has nothing in there

has no items in it. And this this can, if you will permit me, I would like to also bring in a discussion of the podcast remote item tag, which is phase six. Yes, of course. Because I think they are tangential to one another. So the just don't use don't use big words like tangential me just hit me like I'm five please share. The podcast remote item tag is going to suffer suffer the same

sort of limbo as as a feed as the live item. Because what you can imagine is a we'll go over remote on a second, but you can imagine is a feed and RSS 2.0 feed that has no item tags in it. And off the bat that is fine. According to the according to the RSS 2.0 spec, it's fine to have a chance to have an RSS feed versus 2.0 feed with just a channel that has zero items in it. It's just

a parsing issue and decision that the client makes. Yeah, in the language says quote any the channel can have quote any number of items. Zero. Yeah, so that means if any number or zero is a number so we can have zero with a zero exist. Zero in Infinity do not exist. Yeah, but they are numbers. Oh. So this so it's valid XML it's valid RSS. And so that means

it's it's okay. So if we put in a bunch if we have a feed like we're talking about with the 100% Retro a feed with a whole bunch of let's just say for the for our blocks has six live item tags in it that all rotate and move up as the thing goes through. That's fine. I just it like the problem is the podcast index website does not recognize is not displaying remote live items yet. So it looks like that it looks like the feed doesn't have anything in it. That's Yes, it does. So that's

that's our course. Our parser decision Right exactly. In that in those lot of those live items are actually in the database. We're just nobody has a website. Nobody's right. Nobody has done that. No one cares. No one wants to help and lazy when when I say nobody that's a deflection that's pointing the finger at somebody else besides me. Because why would I ever do something like that? I'm telling you man, never never ever such a lazy guys are in here. So explain to me remote item again.

Okay, so remote item. And he just, he just updated the spec for it. This is Alex's proposal remote item list, I will read from our read from this proposal. The intent of this proposal is to provide a tag that allows another item to be referenced without outright copying it. This shouldn't be an item in another feed entirely. So this is like a playlist. Gotcha. Yeah, that's, that's really what this is supposed to be, um, you can have a remote item. It's perfectly valid to have a remote

item in a normal RSS feed that has items. But you can really see the power of this that that would in that scenario, me back up in that scenario, that would prevent you from doing things from hand to do funky stuff like air dropping another person's episode into your RSS feed. Right? So the the item to be inserted can be an item or even a channel can only be an item itself. Yes. So you would have an item in let's just say, Oh, perfect example here. Immediate show. The there live episode from

Podcast Movement. James was a guest on that show. So he just used that episode, Todd said it's cool if you just use this episode and drop this enclosure into your foot whereas it would have been easy for him just to say remote item boom and points to that. points to the media show feed and that good and he doesn't have to drop another person's feed enclosure into his I mean feed item into his RSS feed. So what you automatically want at least what I automatically

want? No, Nevermind. Nevermind. Um, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm just trying to think, Is this more? Because you're James is I'm just going to guess you would not use that in that case, because he wants his own branding around the episode he wants to explain in his words, what, what what this episode is about. And so in that case, you really only limited the mp3. So this seems this remote item seems more applicable to music for creating playlists than anything else. Because then then

you really want to give the creator of that item. The full control over what how that surface is not just the the media file, but also the album art and transcripts, which might be lyrics, etc. That's where it seems like super important. Yes, I think you're exactly right. I think what, but Alex designed it with that in mind. Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah, it's exactly what it was for. The remote item has utility outside of a playlist context. But play with

play lists are really where it's distinction. I think we should talk about it in the context of what it was designed for. So it's not about James dropping in an episode. It's about me putting together a mixtape from my lover Dave. Oh, sweet. Yeah, bro. is what I was doing. I was I was laying out the, the use case where everybody would be like, then I was gonna follow it up with with the right hook playlist. And everybody's gonna be like,

Okay, well, you got me, you got me? Yes, I was there. I was there. I was there, I just jumped the gun. I'm sorry, I didn't realize there was a punch line. The the first section of the proposal is cross app playlists. And this is as this allows one to provide lists of other items, which one does not own copyright to, such as playlists, and various different types of audio video mediums, in combination with list mediums, and we'll talk about the rule, we'll talk

about that too. One can use a theme made entirely of podcast remote item tags, to share them in a manner that allows applications to recognize them as playlists. So then you get into the reverse issue, are you ready? I'm gonna blow your mind. So let's, so let's say I can, I can envision a world where making playlists of remote items with a very, you know, simple tool becomes incredibly fun. I mean, I can

see exactly how the app taps into the index. It's you know, you can even drag and drop and all this stuff is the whole experience is very clear in my mind, and that all under the hood is you basically building up a feed of remote items. So at a certain point, some people will be very influential. And and people will, they will want to take advantage of that. And I think other people want to get on their list and there can be an economy there. If we can figure out how do you get that

list? Creator into the remote Item Value block so that they can get a maybe it's a maybe it's a slug, a placeholder. Something like that, you know, here's 5% from whoever puts us into a playlist. Does that make sense? Yeah. The that I knew you were gonna go there. And do you prep do you use? Do you lay awake at night and think about what does Adam going to say about? First I'm gonna suck him in when flame Boom, baby, boom, I'm gonna need a whip. I do have a whip.

Sorry. Um, yeah. So. So that brings up a good. That brings up a good point. I think in the original spec. I don't see it in this one I may be overlooking, I think. Alex said that the value blocks that this should not contain value blocks. The remote item tag? Oh, why? And I think we'll see what here it is. An element defines a remote item one or more may be defined per channel. It refers to an item outside of the feed. This should

only be used for list medium types. We'll see. This should not utilize any value related tags contained within the feed. Only the value tags on the referenced feed should be respected. So right, like, right. Yeah. So that you're that and then there's the problem. How do you how do you get the how do you get? How do you reward someone for creating a playlist?

Yeah, no, no, because because there'll be the DJs of the future, you see, and we need to cut them in because then it incentivizes people to do all kinds of cool stuff and promotion around it. And that and, and, and the tide lifts all boats. See, here's my, here's my, you know, don't say fear. Don't say you can't handle that. Here is my anxiety, anxiety, oh, my god, okay,

that's even worse than fear. So, in one sense, you can say that making playlists and becoming a playlist, Curator or creator, or whatever you want to call it is awesome. And that should be rewarded with value. But then in the other sense, it feels like That way lies madness, because you could imagine a popular playlist curator, be like throwing in an EPA in reference to a remote item to let's just say no agenda every single week.

And they're getting a cut, even though they're not really doing any work. Oh, nobody. I disagree. I could not disagree with you more. I mean, like the fuse, let me have it. I see that as value. Thank you for exposing me to your audience. As you can see my remote item. Thing about Bob Snicket Joker. I have reserved 5% for anyone in the value blog for anyone who puts this as a remote item into their feed. I don't know how that happens, but that's what I want. I see it as added value. Not not like

they're not stealing from me. I want to I want to cut them in. Okay, just like an app. Okay. Oh, okay. Well, there that may be your that. I think you just have it as habit as a fee. stumbled upon the answer there. There could be a there can be an entry. That's a certain type of entry in the value block. This says this that is for this this for it just a placeholder and it

says remote. I have no idea what to call this. But when you parse it, you say, Okay, this podcast podcaster has just specified that whenever somebody places a reference to their episode into a remote item list, and that's the source, they get X, whatever it is a value, whether it's a percentage or hardcoded amount or whatever, they get this so so then you it's almost like a variable. It's, it's what I call a slug, like insert your, your value block here.

Okay, yeah, and then this is just like a place a placeholder that can be that can mean anybody that does this. Yes. Anyone who anyone who is using this as a remote remote item, you get 5%. And okay, so this is where it gets beautiful.

One of the things I've been looking forward to and comics to Blogger brought this up is to have no agenda producers uh art producers, I want them when we check pick their art I want them to automatically be added into the value block into the into the split, that with get Albie addresses this is really easy

every artist can can sign up for get Alby address. And what comics or Blogger did what I asked you said, on the Art Generator putting your profile there because I looked at the profile, I get the name, I have to put that into the credits, put your lb address in there and then boom, if you're chosen, I'll put you into the into the value block. So same way I'd love to. Maybe it's overkill, but it seems like there's an opportunity there. It's all dynamic stuff, basically. Right?

So maybe we're just making life harder that way? Well, now, because I'm thinking I was thinking put a slug in for the art and then that fog it I'll do it myself. I'll copy paste. It's easy. Let's get the remote item thing fixed. And I'll copy paste until then. Well, I think what you're thinking, recursion as everyone always, yeah, that's what I'm looking for. It's like what we did with free material editor where you could put these variables in there. And you could just generate a

template. Yeah, it would be which I still use twice a week, but what more than twice a week, several times a week. And so that's, that can be I think we could forge a way forward with this one once we get the remote item in place. Because this doesn't really have to be part of the remote item spec. Well, but here's here's the next thing because I think this flows into in a weird way. Podcast events. Now we're gonna have John Spurlock on next week to talk about that.

Oh, good as well. Good. But I think Sam Sethi is doing some praise, like hinting about it on Potlatch. Oh, I got something special to talk about next week. Oh, cool. Yeah. All right. Yeah, let it slide it up, Sam. Okay, good. Well, I'm excited about the podcast events that I'm starting to think about what that can

mean, I think it's gonna be very invigorating. And I certainly when it comes to audience doing stuff, and I see it from music, too, I see all kinds of great things that can come from it. And I want to thank all of the developers for creating all those great music apps. You really, really right on point. Okay, oh, music. Yeah. Well, we're not done with remote remote. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't I was like, Okay, done the cross that

off the list. I was I'm going to come back to I'm going to come back to music mark my sheet. remote, remote, yes. Just due to flesh this out. The current is like, imagine a feed alright. Do you have pictured in your mind an RSS feed? You bet I dream of this all the time.

Okay. Inside the channel, you know, you have your various things like title, description, Link, language generator, all that kind of stuff well, in the channel have have a playlist of what is going to be considered a playlist, which is, you know, just an XML feed full of remote items. You would also have a medium in there as well. A medium tag. Yeah. So that that gives you so here's, this is the other part of this issue. So part of the struggle the apps have is when they hit a feed

that doesn't have any content in it. Like content being defined as item tags, ie an anchor show. Sorry, man, I just got to contribute to the conversation somehow. No, I endorsed this. By the way, what happened to anchor it? They don't know. Nobody even talks about it's like they don't exist. All they are is just a counter for the Spotify press release. How many? What's the number? What's the number anchor? Puppet puppet puppet? People what's what's the number what you got up there? I

got it. That's all in it. Spotify doesn't even talk about anchor anymore. It's like they don't exist now. So the podcast like you can imagine that you would need or it would be very helpful to have a medium designated for this type of thing. So in this feed, the aggregator sees there's no items in this thing. So there are you know WTF. So then the chat the channel tag within this feed can have a medium of something like

music L and the L means list. So there's a new set as part of the Poke podcast remote items spec There will also be an update to the podcast medium tag that corresponds to new types of mediums. And the new mediums would all be an L version of an existing medium type. So you can have, you would have music l podcast, l, audio book, l net, the elders means list. So this feed, if it has a medium type of music L is a playlist, a music

playlist. App can expect when it parses this feed, it can expect to find a bunch of remote items in here that are music that are of the medium type of music. Okay. So that that's going to help because right now, right now, you just don't decorators that haven't any, it doesn't have anything to add does? No, it has no context it does. There's no way I can know because the medium tag is channel level, you need to have that item level for the remote item.

Right? Yes. So that's, that's the idea there and then remote. So here's something that needs to be discussed. It feels like there needs to be a new medium of live, live brand and live L. So for a list of live remote items, you get a remote, remote item could reference a live item, which would be you maybe you have a playlist we are literally building an automated radio station playout system. This has literally been developed in detail. It's this is like a deep like the chef's have like

deconstructed chicken salad. Yeah. deconstructed playoff system. Yeah. Okay. So that's what this mean? Do you agree? I mean, if it feels like, I'm with you, and I'm gonna keep going, keep going. Yeah. So if you have a list of, if you have a medium type of live L, then you have a list of risks. And then people could curate lists of lives of live streams that they listened to, or that are interesting, or related, or whatever, and share those things

out. And then you can have, so it would be almost just like the pod verse.fm live streams page. But you can handle you can curate them yourself, and share them. And if you're, like we were talking about with the value stuff, if we can figure that part out the fun, find new live streams and get value for it. I mean, you can also see if I have this right, you could literally program a station, which consisted of individual

entities wherever they are. And as long as they have, you know, a stream, you can literally be listening to one, one feed, and it'd be switching between these different live streams. Yeah, in real time. Yeah. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. Yeah, you can do and also it becomes like a, like a radio dial. I mean, like, you're you have a list. Yeah, you can just and you know, what, what a concept to do a dial instead of a list, just as a UI UX moment.

Yeah. Yeah. What they call that skeuomorphism we can just go back to this. Yes, make it look like a radio dial, that'll work. In the, like, you can just literally, like pop back and forth between between radio stations in real time. On the podcast on the podcast app, you know, I gotta tell you that 100% Retro guys there beside themselves with with joy about this. Because, you know, some people are boosting to get a little boost here and there.

They definitely see the stream stream numbers, you know, this is very few. But you know, and I see people even tweeting about it like this kind of cool, what the hell is this thing? So it is live and more as most of us live, some of it may be tract but it has a live feel to it. Are you going to put in are you going to rearrange the fate so that has a bunch of live items? Are you going to try that technique? Because it feels like your feed is just a mad laboratory of trying things for this.

Well, that's my life. That's the lifestyle I've chosen. Stephen B he posted he posted something that some generator that is his brain is already working. He's listening so he'll come up with something because the whole thing is I just need a programming thing. You know, that just fires at certain times and then hits the pod during the live update, we'll discover and fades. Can it handle multiple live items? And yes, it can. Okay, I'm good.

But I still need to hit turn it live, I still need to switch it live and republish the feed. That's right. It's right. Or orc. And that's something I would enjoy. Hey, I put curio caster and sovereign feeds in my splits. You know, maybe they'll have figured out a way to automate that for me. You know, it's, it's feed generation logic. Could you do it? And this is all off the rails, but could you do it from the icecast metadata? When you see that change, that can regenerate the feed?

That was my that was my thinking of after the fact. Well, but But yeah, yeah, exactly. And I'm also thinking, it makes so much more sense. If we have an ingest format, then people who use these playout systems can just export, their their schedule. And it should, and it lines up, I mean, obviously, if they get out of sync, then you know, that's their problem. But the whole idea is that it stays in sync, and then it I mean, it could even trigger, it could even trigger the pod ping, I

mean, we have a way to go. But we'll get to that source where I think it will just generate a feed, upload it that make the changes, upload it, pod, ping, boom, good to good to go to that. So the playout system, their playoff system, we just export, like a structured file, whatever, whatever we need. Yeah, whatever we need to ingest to make it work. Will it be JSON? I gosh, I hope so. But, but I'm also thinking, why couldn't the playout system just generate the RSS feed? FTP at pod ping?

I don't know you know about those play out. I mean, do that. Why would they have all kinds of stuff like that built in these days? Consultant let me let me if only I knew a radio consultant. Yeah, I bet you don't know any of those. I do. James Cridland he's the radio consultants. Alright, James marching orders. Isn't he the radiologists? Let me see layer process strong. Oh, I would strongly recommend you do not use this configuration program will play out as running

continue anyway. Yes, of course. Of course. What could go wrong? My pussy? Yeah, let me see remote controls. That's the MIDI remote control what else kind of remote control by okay. Let me see advanced it has these things. Let me see the logging database. I mean it has it has a whole database you know, you can you can get into a database and just export it well, that I mean, that's just Well, there you go. I mean, I mean, everything's there.

Yeah, you couldn't oh goodness nearly done in there last year. merilis. So you can do you can connect to an iTunes database you can connect to Sam broadcaster V four, which then will pass your meta that mean that's that's like an ice cast streamer. So you can then stream the metadata from your system. You can just a script whatever that is. Anyway, I get some info this Yamo Eric PP No, no, no, I handle please. Discard all changes and close. Yes. Okay. Does this. Oh shit.

Oh, fuck. Honestly, do I spell Dr. Pepper hora. Oh, that's really bad. mush. Oh, no chips. Yeah, it's in the keyboard. Oh, oh, no. Disaster. Yeah, hold on. Oh, I could doodle do. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, did you like that was that was a good? I mean, I thought I was gonna have to play the show out myself. Let me just rub this. Okay, so yeah, I think rub it out. Just rubbish. I'm just rubbing one out here. Dave. Give me a second. The show is

off the rails. And we have a heart out. The other day I spilled. I broke a wineglass and it spilled over it and it was kind of made my midi controller a little wonky. Built it in the keyboard. You both Yeah. Oh, that's very keyboard and I have backups if I need but we're gonna have to read it. We're gonna have to take away your drink privileges within the my own damn fault. I was horsing around I shouldn't have done I have special spots for drinks. It's almost like a cup holder.

But do I use it new love course now. Okay, let me see you soon. scissors. Okay, we're back. We're back in business. So yeah, okay, so that's so that's something that can be worked on. I think we need to get the remote the remote item squared away and that'll start to play out and we'll we'll get there when it's time right? Yeah, was that a Diet Dr. Pepper no straight up Dr. Pepper the real things straight. It was a small can one of those little minis? Because I don't

like a 10 ounce or something? Yeah, I don't really want the poison. But to do this show, you know, I'm stoned all day like I'm gonna go sugar on the phenol kid in neuro whatever. Yes, yeah. Yeah. So we can do that. Yeah, that's that. One interesting thing about this is that in we're gonna see more of this over time, I believe. And so we've got to figure out how to go down this road at some point. Is the podcast good? So the way these remote items are referenced?

Oh, yeah, I have your own. I have a bad good. Do you? Oh, yeah. You're in Korean. The keeper? I don't know how that happened. But yeah. So you the what a remote item looks like, is it is a it's got three attributes. Two of which are required ones. One's optional. So the it's got the item good attribute, which is the GU ID from the feed that is being referenced. That's fine.

For the most part, because you know, that's the I think, as an industry, we've pretty much with Apple coming on board to require Gu ID now EPS enclosure episode level Gu IDs. I mean, you can just say, Well, I mean, if you're not putting goods in your feed, you know, you don't get to play at the party. Right? The feed Gu ID is the one that's going to have to be dealt with over time, which in the feed good is a reference to the podcast co lon Gu ID tag

that thank you for doing kolam. There's nothing in Britain. So the podcast guid tag is actually been adopted quite a bit. I mean, it's getting some reach. So it's really, it really needs to be promoted as the ISBN of podcasting. And people should do this. I mean, and then we can market it that way, people will say, Oh, I really need to get that. So that also means we need to surface easy to go in and say what is this podcast good.

In that that's where I'm headed. So what? That's what there's already in the API, an API, there's already a podcast by GUID. API endpoint that will give you that result. But it feels like there needs to be it needs to be something. This almost needs to be a stand alone type of thing. Where you can just ask, you know, ask a where you can easily just grab a feed URL of a Gu ID and not even not have to necessarily use an API call. I mean, it'll ultimately it ultimately everything's sort

of an API call, right? So in a script, you just say, podcast GUID, this, and then that, and then the script knows how to get that information? Yeah, yeah. That's one of the things it's really just for developers, because you're lazy to type all the information and you just want to token Am I right? Am I right? Yeah, yeah. So it could be something as easy as a service, where that's called like, I don't know. That's good podcast, Gu id.net, I don't know. And then you just give it in a slash

into GUID. And it just returns nothing but the end, it just returns the feed URL. Like, like some simple result, like a resolver, not an API call. I feel like that's probably the way to go with this thing. Because the GU IDs are going to become more of a thing. And then we're going to start referencing them more in these tags. So are we going to be the centralized resolver?

Well, I don't want to be the centralized resolver owner on a server but I mean, we could set up some sort of system like I don't know if clubs or workers are single, whatever we do, whatever we do before we make any decisions. Let's make sure we run it past GG Yes, yes, God knows. If you don't, there's hell to pay. That's my one joke for today about it. Okay. Yes, we must. It must be fully decentralized. Whatever in whatever way that that means whatever week way that that

means. So anyway, I don't know about that. I'm just it feels like I would like to hear here's why. here's and here's a weird thing just just because I'm weird could I make my my podcast good? My lightning node or my bitcoin wallet? Address? Not the cording taka unit and the year on let me look at the spec Arnie does it have to be a certain number of numbers or patches or salted? It's it's supposed to it's supposed to be a V five Gu ID excuse me a V five UU ID?

Oh, you know, you the composite of a UU ID is different from from a cryptographic address. Right. Yeah. Yeah, it looks a lot different format. And I think I'm afraid that if you did that, it's not going to follow the format, then it may get cut off in certain databases. Okay. Yeah, I don't think it's probably just better not to do that. Good. Yeah. So I'm thing is, I think a result, I would like to know if other people think a resolver of some sort is

probably the way to go. And then how to properly properly go about that in a way that we liked. I really liked the idea. And I think it's critical that that we get that up and running. Because that is when you do that. Then you can also have a GUID for albums, songs. These are all these are all important things to have that people can confine them based upon that detail. Yeah. There's enough there's enough spread. Now. Buzzsprout includes Gu IDs, who was cast dos includes goods and all their

feeds. I have to look at the list. But it's quite it's, there's quite a lot. So I feel like we're there. And we're ready to sort of like flip the switch and take the next step on that. And then it will I mean, we'll have to because in remote item will need it right. As long as we put it on. As long as whatever form it takes is on hive, then there won't be any push back ever. So we're good to go. Yeah. I don't want to so funny. Okay, so I think we're good on remote.

And I think everybody probably understands what that does. Yeah, I like it. I really like it. These are exciting things. So how does this move forward? Just this is the basics just progresses. Okay, good. Good. Yeah. It's on it's on the list. And we're so in Well, one of the things Alex is finishing up the, the 2.0 version of pot of the pod paying hive writer, and that's going to have this stuff

in it through the socket. So we can we can specify these mediums, these list of mediums and that kind of thing as part of the schema. That'll be in there. So we'll be good to go. Nice. Yeah. I don't want to keep going if you've got some you got anything else that you want to insert? I don't want to just steamroll. Just Just go on a different topic for a minute. Go for the squad cast patent, I think you and I have different ideas about that. I wanted to see where where you were at.

I just don't like it. I don't like it feels and I could be completely wrong. I don't know this. I don't know those guys at all. Other than Harry Duran, I know him. I was on his show. And he seems like a really great guy. I think he's like an advisor or something. But I don't really know anybody else there. Well, let me ask you this. How did you interpret what you read about it?

I interpreted it to be that they were trying to hit a broad a patent for something broad, that would be a natural evolution of any product like that, in order to carve out some mark in order to code like basically put a line in the sand for their market share, because that's a crowded market. There's a lot of people there's a lot of players in there like Riverside, clean feed shoutcast Did you have an opportunity to read the patent?

I read I read the the first whatever you call it, like the the initial sizes, summary, probably summary, or any reasoning that he was like giving us like something like more broadly. And I can't remember the exact wording and that's what gave me pause. I was like, Oh, wait, whatever the way that it was worded made me think, Oh, they're going to try to come after anybody who He uploads parts of a file and stitches them together later in a way that doesn't lose the

timestamping. Like, well, I mean, that just, that's the word, but he's had to do that. So the way I read it was, here's these problems. People have solved these problems in certain ways or not. We have solved these problems in this particular way. And we're patenting our solution. I don't think you can, you can patent the time to drift. Because there's too much prior art and people have done it. But just like Apple, they didn't know Apple patented, have passed podcast patents they patented. I

think their namespace so. And I read through all the blog posts from squad cast and in what they were doing, and it was it seemed to me more really about the actual technology that they've or the algorithm or whatever they've developed than anything else, because it it, their way of doing it is apparently very lightweight. And now you can do a lot more on mobile and other things that you couldn't do before but I did not read that they were patenting the process itself.

says in the description, it says the invention in one form is directed to a method that ensures that recorded all the Indian males are always except a method a method. Yeah, not the method a method. Okay, and so it gets in, save it has saved the file. Okay. Well, I haven't read step by step through this. And I may just be ignorant about what can be. And I understand that the knee jerk reaction, I'm not I don't,

I don't participate in the patent system. But I'm certainly not anti patent, I feel I am anti the abuse of the patent system, which is what you were referring to. But my initial reaction to that, I was actually surprised when I saw all the posts about fuck these guys. I hate patent trolls like hohoho. Have we read this thing? And it to me, it was just like, Okay, we figured out some some new ingredient of how to do something that other people are doing, but our way it no one has

done. We want to patent that because we want to take commercial advantage of that moving forward. But I didn't really get any of the feeling that they're out to potentially protect their turf or squash others. It seems like this is an innovation, at least what I read that it's an innovation on what is currently being done which you can patent. So I guess one, I guess one way to think about is what? Why

would you in this? I'm not saying this the right way. But why would you patent something where you can't know if the patent is being violated or not? What do you mean that this is exactly what patents are about? Look at Silicon Valley, look at the look at the lawsuits that did go back 10 years you used our code here, you use their code there. That, of course is why I don't use the patent system.

Well, I guess what I'm saying is like what? Coke, okay, so in this instance, if they've patented, if What if what they've patented is a specific algorithm like, like step one, do this, do you know, do this function on this part part of the audio to do to look at this step two, blah, blah, blah. So if, if, if that's if they've essentially patented, what will

what amounts to pseudo code on how to do a thing? Then how can the only thing the only way they can know when they see let's just say that clean feed does the same at some point in the

future. Also, on the fly, upload audio to a Citroen to back to the mothership, and stitches it together, then squad cast is going to have to sue clean feed in order to get discovery on whether or not their algorithm is the same as squad cast, which is a very risky business to be in. Because if you if you have a frivolous claim, then you can wind up paying for everything

first off the bat. And then there could be a counterclaim, if there's any suspicion that you were doing this on anti competitive grounds. Okay, all right. So that's so would that be what it would be? will students be anti considered anti competitive? What if if, if they if they just start suing people look if you if you sue people and you're wrong, you definitely have to pay the cost? Right off the bat, right? Yeah, pay for the damages or whatever.

Well, you got you got to pay lawyers fees, court fees, and then that can be that can be inconvenience fees, and then there could be Hey, wait a minute. Do you guys want to after us for no reason, I think really what they're they're trying to protect. And I don't know, I don't use squad cast, I use clean feet, I like clean feet, I certainly wouldn't want anyone to have any, any

issues. I just think that they have created something that they're saying Holy crap, this is groundbreaking look at what we can do in a lightweight and even mobile environment with this stuff. And there's very, very specific about about that. And so they want to protect their competitive upside, which I think is marginal. Now, it could also be, just to be honest about it, that they're raising money. And, and you know, the final thing they had to do was show some patented technology.

This is not uncommon. Yeah, this is not uncommon. Oh, look, we got we got into it. So they have some patented technology. And now yeah, now you're better for some investment. I mean, these, there's a lot going on. I just, I'm a conspiracy therapist, and when I see one where I just think, you know, everyone's kind of going off on this. And let me see what's happening. I just felt like you want to look at the other side, you want to look at the other side, I always try to look at all sides. Yeah,

whenever it'd be, you're essentially a betting line. When everything's on one side, you look at the other 100% That's the gig. No, I think that's I think that's fair. I mean, it you know, I think I grew up, I grew up in the open source, generation of Sun Microsystems coming after everybody has a

patent troll. Oh, sure, you know, with the, with the SCO, Unix junk, and then, and then the podcast, that podcast, patent troll from, you know, seven or eight years ago, it's like, you've got so much of this stuff that use it a bad taste in your mouth. As soon as you see it. It's like, don't, don't do that, you know, Dave Weiner, and I didn't patent anything on on RSS, sort of not anything on podcasting, none of that. If we had you, and I most likely would not be sitting here talking and

the people might not even know what a podcast is. And what I've discovered is I like the, the open way I like, you know, if you want to call it Foss, but you know, whatever this project is, because I know that just from the experience of RSS, throughout its its inception, I've made millions of millions of dollars, millions have spent more but millions of dollars. And I don't think I ever would have gotten that in any in any patent fees.

No, no, yeah. Not at all. Well, kind of in a related note, if we I chose licenses for the namespace I saw you got that much. The choice I made was literally with I mean it was it can be boiled down to just rolling some dice. And just seeing what came out the other end I have no idea. I just use the same thing that I always use, which is first things like this. I think it was the Creative Commons. It was the one that basically does everything it puts it in public domain but

in a safe way. It was that creative commons one is the Do you think that's the right one to go with? I as you know, I've defended Creative Commons in court and I one where do I see the license? It's on the on the podcast namespace on GitHub. Let me flip back up here. It's on the right hand side is the CC zero dash 1.0 license I see CCS zero what is it? CC zero 1.0 Universal license point oh, I see what it entails Yeah, let me go let me see public let me

just see what the protection is no copyright. Okay, the person who associated work dedicated the work to public domain waiving all of his rights you can copy modify, distribute in no way is in no way or the patent or trademark rights of any person affected unless expressly state otherwise versus power by bah. So where's the protection this this is just it's me You can copy modify, distribute and perform the work even for commercial purposes all without asking permission.

I mean, that sounded like the way to get it because I've always heard you don't want to actually do you don't want actually want to use public domain you want to use a license that gives you public domain in a safe way. Yes, where you you can say I have this document that says I can use it. Yeah. It says limited permissions commercial use modification, distribution, private use limitations, liability trademark use patent use and warranty. Where's that?

I don't see that. That's at the top of the page like it's GitHub giving you like a little a little rundown? If, if you're on the live if you go to podcast namespace slash licensed.md That's the Oh yeah. Oh, this is actually the whole thing is pretty long. It's good. Yeah. No, that's good. Okay. That's what we want. Yeah. Here no trademarks or patent rights. Yeah, this is good. Okay. All right. I think that's perfect. I love Creative Commons. I'm a I'm a fan. I think it's it's the way to go.

I've used it I've again, I've I've used it to defend assholes against the assholes. I mean, oh, and it worked. Yeah, it was that the Dutch photographer stuff? Yeah, they, yeah, they took pictures from my Flickr at the time, which were all in Flickr, I put them on Flickr, because you could mark them with a Creative Commons license. And, and you're printing them on the front page of the gossip magazines. And I said, Well, what are you gonna pay me? They laughed, I said, Okay, I sue

them. Now, you know, and you have to understand that in a socialist country, they're not going to give you some big award, but I said, Look, this is what I think it would be worth. And so they gave, they gave me no reward or award. But if it ever happens again, it's some ridiculous amount of like, 10,000 euros per copy per day, you know, I would be a millionaire. Brian of London level money. I basically don't show up in any magazines ever again, like

curry. He's like kryptonite man, which is, which is mission accomplished. I would say mission accomplished. Yeah, that's, that's That's it. They beat the intern. But if he tried if he tries to push them then on the CMS Yeah. Buzzsprout removed all the email addresses from their feeds. Would you say that? I saw the announcement. Yeah. Yeah. So that there's like, click here or forever hold your peace? Yes. So I feel like that means a couple of things like,

well, there goes half my income. How are we going to spend podcasters with my great deals? Oh, I know, I know with with your beef initiatives that you're clearly a founder of Yes. Oh, obviously, the Oh coordinates. Yeah, I got I got points and everybody's deal. Sure. That's me. I'm not an advisor. Actually, I am an advisor. I'm an unpaid adviser of beef advisors. Right? That's right. So pod ping allows it so the way they're doing it, I thought this

is interesting to bring up. The way they're doing it is they're removing the The email address is not going to be in there. And we made a change to the lock tag, because previously email address was required for the lock tag. Not right. We made it optional. And I'm not really sure why we ever made it mandate require just went in there. And without a vote you just willy nilly change something in the in the holy namespace? Yes, excellent work.

Somebody stopped me. And I was like, wow, I kept thinking, I was like, there must have been a reason there must have been reason we did this. It made it required. And for the life of me could not check and can't remember and require and required things are like kryptonite anyway. So that you don't, you don't ever want to use them unless you actually have, like this supreme reason that makes sense to everybody. We can remember if we can't even remember them. It's

ridiculous. Yeah. So remove that. And that allowed them to take that out of the law tech. So the, the pot, so they're going to remove that. And I'm just saying they can, they're not going to be in there. But then you're gonna have the option in their dashboard to turn it on for 24 hours. And then we'll put it back in there, send a pod ping, we will report the feed, suck the email address in if it's if we don't have it. So the neat there's like a filter. So I think we need to

clean clean the database. When an email address is removed. I don't think the code is currently doing that. Oh, yeah. Well, of course you want to do that. Yeah, well, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, we don't want that if we don't want it otherwise. Or Or you still have some value. I'm good. bundle that shit up. Yeah, so yeah, we can make playlists out of it. Just you know, get get websites for spamming people's email. The Yeah, so that I think that's a Oh, one other thing I did. And

this may be interesting. I started sucking in some music medium tags for this long running music analysis project. How many how many days is that been running? Many? I don't know how. I'll bet you you're probably like 30 or 40% through it all. If that. I don't know where else Alex is on his because we split the load half in half. And I'm wondering what you're doing just so everyone knows.

Yeah. Okay, so we're, we wrote a tool called Slurpee that will bring, they will suck down all of the enclosures, it'll suck down all the the most recent enclosure from each feed in the database in the index and save it as an mp3 file in the file system. Then another, a Python script comes along behind it, that does like a machine learning algorithm to detect whether or not the mute the audio in that mp3 is music or speech in and then it flags one or the other. So it just goes

through and does that all through. It actually gives it three categories it gives it it gives it classifies it as either music. Maybe, which is kind of like maybe music but I'm not sure time to review or nothing. Yeah, or nothing. Yeah. So the out of I am on podcasts index IDX 628,774. So I'm going through up to 2 million. And then Alice has started at 2 million and is going to go through to the end. There's a lot I'm looking at the curio Castro music tab. There's

more in here. Okay, definitely more than than the last time I looked. Let me see. Let me see how many there it looks like I'm missing a few like where did April Kirby go? Oh, yeah. Okay, so this is yeah, this is from what I started. Yep. Yeah, this is me putting these these in here. So what I'm started doing this morning, is let's just say you queue stories. The key is, we're gonna have to, we're gonna have to as run some sort of verification on this. Because I'm already seeing

a few that may have been misclassified. You mean conversations with a chef? Let's see what let's see why the AI this would be one of the reasons let's see how long the intro song is. Hi, and welcome to another episode of conversation with the chef. I'm Joe Ricci. And I love sharing with you the conversations I get to have with talented and passionate chefs. Interesting she had to mute her mic is so tinny sounding it almost sounds like it's part of the part of the song

I wonder if you keep going in that episode. Is there a Music Bed through the whole thing? I'll bet you there is not much and although we'd like to sit Yeah, absolutely not the whole thing but the first and then lots of background noise for that that first few minutes man ai i can't wait until it's controlling my car so good machine ml everybody machine learning jealousy there's a bunch of things are clearly music but yeah, wrapped out radio was wrapped out radio everybody.

Let's check it out. Ooh, they talk to me. You talking about talking about dropping a beat baby go home picking up. Yeah, nice, man. It's good stuff. I gotta listen to I'm already digging this. There's some good stuff. I'll bet where's this? See what's the what's the website? There's, I wonder where it's coming from? Is that coming from SoundCloud? Some of the stuff.

Yes, all of this is actually coming from SoundCloud what I've done what I'm doing right now in in in in an effort to get some content in there for people to start playing with for music apps. I'm trying to go ahead and suck in some some of these ones

that we feel pretty good about. But to make that even more accurate, I'm just I'm only doing the ones that are on SoundCloud for now if they have a SoundCloud URL, I'm going to mark those with them within if they're on SoundCloud URL in the in the the the machine learning was really confident that it was music. I'm gonna I'm gonna mark those right, there's about nine

out of 628,774 it has found so far. 9775 So, I mean, this is really just I want to say that we we know from talking to some other people that there are definitely going to be music podcasts coming down the pipe soon. Oh, yeah. Let me just check this thing. What is this? I? Yeah, we back. Me and Darren. Interesting. I got to say, Oh, this is because people haven't entered To bite length I get zero minutes one second but it's an hour. Oh, I see. Yeah. Anyway

okay, Dave I love this stuff man. I love this stuff I love this this is so cool ending on random music interface for a podcast app or a music based your life just got a heck of a lot easier as what we're saying yeah, you got content now and then if you even if you have even thought about doing that I encourage you to please go ahead and start coding something because it's gonna go fast it's gonna have an influx go ahead and say we're gonna have an influx coming

yeah that's not that's not just a prediction That's for real Yeah. Blood force locked down rested volatile mix cool super duper I love this what is air you on the curio caster pages that were Yeah, the music and music Tennessee number three from the Top Gun. Guns you underground radio? Sure do. Let's give it a shot. I'm Joe hippie now. Gongfu short Dushane mix present day present time nice man, people doing some creative stuff. Oh, yeah. This is a way to get out there. This is really cool.

All new opportunity. Man just think anyone could help them. vie for V enable their feeds wouldn't take much they can do it themselves. They can go to podcast a wallet.com I don't. I don't know if you've. Let's see. Is there anything else on music? See? Now Oh, yeah. Well, here's what I guess one more thing on music is? How do we want to go about there's gonna be some cute human validation of these things to weed out the ones that are misclassified. And how do we

want to do that? is sure to be a UI for that or what? Well, podcast events Oh, this this song is is this this feed is misclassified? Oh, okay, that's a good idea. Actually. That's why I'm here brother. Sir, you've you've proven your utility should we think a few people considering Do we have a heart out in 45 minutes? Well, we do we have a heart out we have we got stuff to do. I can't believe we you accepted this invitation time we should

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don't have 52 Do do you? We got to have cut offs. Dave 16. Too many too many. You got to cut off man. You got to start cutting off at 10,080 I'm trying to add up all these streams 12345 streaming, what streams are you doing? I thought you were adding up number of donations and like we can't do ad donations. No. I mean, there's there's Okay, that would that was 90. Auburn citadel. Sin us. Okay, we're gonna have to come back to

this. I'll do pay pal. First he he's got his stream amount set to 3333 He's streaming is 3333 a minute. Just do you think he realizes this? And he did it last week too. He's got to realize it. Surely he's done because he'd have to reload. Holy guacamole is crap. I will we'll do math on that in a second. Let's see we got some. We got some some papers starting off Buzzsprout $500. Ah Sakala 20 is blades on am Paula so appreciated. Caller thank you so much.

Thank you guys. Thank you, Tom. so much, guys. Thank you, Kevin. In the crew at Buzzsprout. Thank you every month for that. Yeah, thank you for thinking of us. Yes, we do. Yes we do. Also our buddy, Oscar at fountain

sorry. This is I just opened in the world. That's the that's the Alby Saturn interface you can go to live and so it's shows you boosts but it also shows you the per per minute so I was looking to see if I can see the 3330 there's I thought you're playing Subway Surfers to get us some more download numbers and this page has I have to say so massive, massive confetti flying all over it when something comes in it's it's quite spectacular. Oh my goodness.

Our buddies big spurt. Oscar and Nick over fountain gave us $200 They do this every month. I'll do we're very appreciative. Yeah, not an advisor. Not not a paid advisor. Thank you so much. Oscar. You have been chatting with Oscar a little bit about Bitcoin in the UK. He also said that they're once he's done with all this this most recent round of improvements. They're going to work on lit. Oh, that'd be good. That'd be good. That's a big missing piece

there for them. Yeah, it's because I messaged you because you don't if you saw it, the UK had some like they've had some regulations come. I was not. Not not followed or what happened? What was the was the rag? I asked him what he thought about and he said he thinks is a net positive. I don't remember the exact details. Take a look. Yeah, they he thinks that he thinks it was a good thing. Jennifer Navarette. She still has not said how to pronounce

her name. But she continues to come in every week. It's okay. That way. $30 this week, thank you. Very appreciated. First, thank you. Podcasting has new life because of podcast index and 2.0. Y'all rock. This 30 is for the 30 upcoming episodes of podcasting in the blockchain, which is part of the November 1, the 30th National podcast post month mush national

podcast post month challenge, aka not pod Pomo hashtag. I aim to teach folks a bit about the beautiful blend of podcasting 2.0 and web three, it's magic. Nice to hear. Thank you, Jennifer. Appreciate that. And we get $20 donation from digitex solutions. No note but thank you. Thank you digitary Which does help this just keep servers running? This is really appreciated. Yeah, we did lose. We lost a $20 monthly subscribers.

Yeah, people. Apparently PayPal just snuck their $2,500 fine right back into their acceptable use policy and just Oh, yeah, it's in there. Yep. Are you kidding me? No, no no news at all. They just came right back and no reporting on it as you notice. It's important to note it's important to note the under the Pay Pal terms and conditions you may not post right speak fart negatively about Pay Pal. Otherwise, that is grounds for them to cut you off. Just

letting you know. Yeah. Well, that's that's a that's long term policy. They've had that policy for a long time. Let's do a riff in this way. It is in sports, too. If you badmouth the referee or the conference that you're a part of you get you get heavy, heavy fine, like they can they can smack you down. So got on. Yeah, but 2500 bucks right out of your bank account is a little different than being smacked down. It's like, that's a lot of money.

Now, that's no, that's, I mean, that would be devastating. So we

don't yeah, that's like three months worth of donations. Well, it's not just that if you read the language, if you support something that promotes dismiss information, you know, terrorism, whatever else, you can get dinged as the financial year and you also get the 2500 hit you get the $2,500 hit it's not the recipient necessarily if you are funding that yes it's it stands me that they did it and then apologized and said oh no, no, we didn't mean to and then immediately went back and

did it again doesn't does it as does it really it doesn't really surprise you. That kind of does honestly that that does because they were so like I don't know they were so like anonymous apologetic but they were like oh no, no, no, we didn't meet that wasn't supposed to be that was just a draft proposal. Some wording. I don't think that no one does surprise me. Yeah. That they came back within just went right back in there. None of this surprises me. This is why we got together two and a

half years ago. Yeah. None of it surprises me all right we got any more prepare for the future but you don't like to see happen. I think it's exciting that even though we got her we got her pretty pretty good by by people canceling PayPal. Those are the Sustaining monthly donations they matter. They matter. Six by the way we celebrated 15 years of the it's the celebrate the 15th anniversary week this week for no agenda. Happy birthday. Thank you. It was it's it you know what the hard part about

value for value? It's hard after all these years and for all the value that people have provided. I'm talking and of show mixers, artists, I mean, you know, you can't thank everybody. And if you try you, you'd miss hundreds. It's possible. Yeah, but it's anyway. Yes. We made it 15 years, we're still alive. Do you have access to a calculator? I do. Can you calculate what 3333 times 108 is? Okay. 3333 times 108 359,964 Bagram citadel? Yeah. Oh. SATCOM Sakala 20 his blades only Impala

nice so I don't think he had the streaming set for that. I think it was just he was boosting without a boost to Graham. Every minute. Yeah, why not? It wouldn't it wouldn't show up in your list if it wasn't a boost you may be right how did he I'm gonna have to invent this this is calls for investing Where did he Where did where did he boost from what app fountain maybe just kept hitting it

huh? I'm gonna have this dis requires investigation. I'm gonna get to the bottom of the web, minus 30 minutes for your heart out. That's what that means speed up. Really Schonfeld? 54321. And may I say? The latest breeze update? Oh, my goodness. The Have you have you used breeze since update? I have not opened it. But I know that it notified me that I needed to because it said my chain was out of sync.

You will love it. It feels like a feather. Oh, it is so fast. It is it things are just it feels like it's like I don't know what, I can't even explain it. But of course, you know, I use all these apps. So you feel that difference? The payments work faster, or at least what's shown. It's good is and the podcasting features are kind of coming up there and is that really working hard or making a good podcast app in it? Okay, I just opened in Linux sync and then I'll use it on way

back to the office. Rosenfeld 54321 Thank you, Roy. Roy. Yeah 10,000 SAS from absurd didn't note thank you absurd isn't 2222 from coal McCormick, he says boosting while having my nightly dessert, frozen blueberries and raw cream from rural farms in Fresno, California. Ducks. 5552 from Satoshi stream will smiley face. And another one for 5252 Excuse me 5582 From Satoshi stream in the Gnosis speaking slowly as hard. It is. Mere Mortals podcast is our

friend chyron. He says long form and unedited are my favorite podcasts by far. One and I also regularly call each other out on and off air for the repetitive non useful words. Like is a serial offender for me. And the classic Aussie positive negative. Yeah, no or no. Yeah. Yeah, no. This I think relates to the conversation we had about the editing the decent roof editing tool, I think. Yeah. And

there's one of the things I wanted to mention about that. I hear in regularly, I'd say maybe once every 10 days out here, an edit that was not picked up, which I think is the fault of the script. And I'm not sure if it's a bug. And I and I hear James do it a lot. And I heard one on pod news this week. Yeah, I hear them all the time. And he'll he'll pick it up but then it wasn't corrected and the Edit wasn't made. And I wonder if

it's, it could be where you're if you're just reading. If you're just reading the transcript and you're making your edits that way it may be very easy to miss a double word, you know, end of end of previous line beginning of the next line. That's what it sounds like a little bit sometimes when you read it as a perfect sentence. Use your ears, people I like I like it when that happens because I get to laugh at him in the car while I'm driving. Why are we even that you're right our secret little

humorous? Guilty pleasure. Yes. ruined it ruined it. Okay. That was 22 to 22. From Karen. Thank you guys. Appreciate you all anonymous 1337 says, what if? What if you shift some of the opinions and thoughts on GitHub issues into GitHub discussions? I think that magazine trended Yeah, I think, given this discussion, yeah, absolutely. Good idea. I'm taking that that approach of feral apothecaries and as 1400 SAS they found a no note. Thank you, feral apothecary. True.

True ghee. True grits. True grits. Since 17010. That's the Star Trek boost was 1701 says you have got to bring Chris last from Jupiter broadcasting back on about this very subject of using the Lightning Network to transform software development. I know this is something that he has had a lot of thoughts on over the past few months. I always was glad to have Christmas. Yeah, for sure me. Boost. Permanent invitation. Farrell, apothecary 20 202 Fountain No, no note again. He's

got Hey citizen through pod verse 6969. And the note here is DROP TABLE gimlet semicolon we've got another one from a citizen 6969 says Drop tablespace podcasting underscore industrial underscore complex semicolon 16 I did a bit of a little bit of database humor there. Yeah, yes, yes, yes. Yes. 10,000 SATs from Sir. Doug go podcasting. Thank you sir. Coral hummingbird says 69,420 SATs through breeze. Wow. I think we should get a little a little big boost. Maybe a boost boost boost. Thank you.

Well, that matches up just fine because of coral hummingbirds node is developers developers developers. Boost boost. You felt it? I did I guess Steve Webb OG God casters 77777. Their fountain the striper boost. That's right. The work he says the work of PC 2.0 is changing the world at the speed of science. Yeah, we're getting the the oh what's it called Dave the family the family of ah, that huge podcast network they got 3

million Focus on the Family. Focus on the Family. Yeah. So we're helping them out a little bit you more than me because you know all this stuff better. But you figured out what their problem was? I didn't quite understand the problem, I guess. Yeah. Dewpoint no bringing bringing them along. That's a big God cast network. Congrats to everyone who has contributed their time talent or treasure to

make it happen. Thank you. I invite all to join me as we read through the Bible in a year at audio Bible dot link go podcasting? Indeed go podcast this is 2020 52 sets from the tone wrecker. I mean like record. That sounds like a like a wrestler like a WWE thing. Oh the tone. Thinking no note from the tone record 40 A 407 says from Brian of London and hive Dao and V for V app and he says I can't say much more but we largely won our little court

skirmish last week. Meta won't get too creepy personal details they asked us for are you better hurry up man that could be out of money by the time you win all that crap would that not be the biggest kick in the crotch? It would be horrible if they completely went bankrupt just at the time when and by the way, if Brian wins, they will bankrupt they will be big they will be bankrupt yes we're safe guys. We got $100 billion in the bank we got

injured the GM Brian comes along and bingo. Dobby dice 21 Oh 12 Oh nice. 21,012 sets the fountain and he says boost and that is a rush boost boost. It violates that is intended to be a rush boost. I've got a yellow card. That's right flag. There's like a row in there. Yes. And 2222 for Macintosh row ducks Macintosh. Nope. Got your ducks right here. And finishing up with the delimiter comma street blogger.

15,033 Sassy says howdy David Adam. live happy. And by the way, a warm humbly invite you and your audience to listen to the podcast about artificial intelligence neighbor narrated by the British voice of Gregory William Forsythe Forman, the TV show developer. Just enter AI dot cooking in your web browser or in your podcast player app. Yo. jasa, thank everybody. Thank you, everybody for your support of the show. Good numbers. Nice. Nice boost today. Oh, I love

that. Thank you so much the valley. And so this is the value return. And this is how it should work. And it's not going to be much more than three or 4% of the people who participate in the project, listen to the podcast, but everybody can participate in many different ways, providing value back to podcast and to porno, and thank you so much. We get some get some monthlies to finish that off. And it's pod news. James over there upon you send us $50 Thank you, James.

Well, Shawn McCune $20 Jeff Miller $20 And by the way, Jeff, I looked, Jeff has been supporting us with a $20 subscription since September of 2020. Hey, there's something wrong here. But I can't What is this? It's very sad news. I just got a live boost from Sam Sethi. 10,000 SATs. Another great show guys can't wait for the Spurlock interview. But it's goodbye from pod land episode 100. Next week is our last one. Whoa, what? I what I understand this is they must be I heard

him joking on the show. I'm like, maybe they're changing the format or something. Don't get me all. If this is your idea of some kind of promotional item where you get me all emotionally involved. Because I like pod land is one of the podcasts I listened to religiously. I'm pissed off when it doesn't come in on Thursday. Guys, it's it's October 28 is not April 1. This is not appropriate. Anyway, if it is, then you know, Sam, I'll do a podcast with Sam.

I have I have another I have a day somewhere don't I? Yeah. Wednesday. Thank you, Sam. Appreciate that. Cone gloss bucks in his $5 Christopher Raymer $10 James Sullivan $10 Jordan Dunnville $10 Paul Saltzman $22.22 Paul,

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Thanks, control room. Thanks, Rob. Just for just for giggles. I pulled our download numbers from the OP three. Oh, good, because I want to I had a question about that. Yeah. So what range and what did you do? What did we get here? And then while he's printed this out looks like just a few off

the off the cuff stats here. So we got our biggest podcasting two point or the podcast Nippon 2.0 app that people listened to us the most honest fountain and then we'll see looking through so we got this fountain will obviously apples to the Apple podcast app fountain, Google Chrome. That's number two. So Chrome is the second most it's probably curio Castro, but I would think so. Yeah, probably Pocket Cast is right behind that then antenna pod, podcast addict, overcast.

And how many Apple will see seeing an apple it's only up to seven. So it's very low on the scale. Is the Apple iPhone generic is probably the streaming so it's it's somewhere. I'm thinking that somewhere probably around 2500 app, Apple podcasts. And this is over what period? This is for. I just picked our steak and eggs episode one. Oh, just one episode. Oh, so how many total? How many total was flipped over here? 7355. There are 99 of those were bots. How many? Seven 7000 usin.

That's that's Total downloads. And so if you it's going to be rearranged is somewhere around 1400 I think and so I think the total true number is around 4000. Now sounds good. Sounds about right. This more than I thought actually get a little more than that thought to. But then our, our most will see we Chicago is still the first that's probably just an artifact within Dallas, maybe get some regional stuff is

cool. Yeah, just curiosity. More than anything, because I think how many episodes have no agenda have I put up there now? Quite a few. Yeah. We haven't that every week or? Yeah, every show. Do we have a month's worth yet? Oh, that we do. Do? Do we don't let me see. That would be we have to finish up. How does it work? You have to finish out the month right. So we may see favorite feeds or favorite feeds? No agenda. Here we go. Let me see. A month ago would be I think episode 1490.

That was on podcast index run now. Now that we need it needs to be 1491. Yep. 1491 had op three in it. Yep. Okay, so 1490 had it in it. And 1489. Right, right. But we need to finish out we need to finish out the month. We'll just do it over the date range. Not not the episode, but I just want to know how many suppose it so called downloads in a month. So not September 25 was the first episode that had mp3 in it. And so we're already past the month mark. We're on October

28. Okay. Oh, so we can pull that we can pull that data? Sure. Thanks. So we can calculate how much we would make with advertising. That's the only reason I do it. Get a kick out of it. But we look how rich we could be doing it right. No, we don't have we don't have an exit. We'll just go down with the ship. Let me see. I don't think I had anything else. That's all. I mean, at least not not that aren't longer topics to dive into. Oh, let's get some stuff.

I'm just looking at our 14 minutes we have left for our hurricane. Okay, I'm just saying. Like, nevermind, we got 142 on the clock, buddy. I think we're good. We've done it. Once again. We've gotten through a whole board meeting without fighting. Which we do so much. Thank you everybody in the chat room. Thank you everybody who's listening live. You can do that on curio cast or you can do it

on pod verse. But of course, all of the podcasting 2.0 apps add new podcast apps.com Nude podcast apps.com And if you want to join in, go to podcast index dot social and request an invite and we'll hook you up. Thank you, brother. Another great week Dave? Nothing but the future's so bright. You gotta wear shades. We will be back next week with another episode or should I just say another board meeting of podcasting? 2.0 Take care everybody. See

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