Episode 107: Clippy for Developers!

podcasting 2.0 for October 21 2022, episode 107 It's plenty for developers. Well, hello, everybody, welcome once again to the official board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 everything going on with now and the future now and the future future of podcasting, as because this is where it all happens, where the directors come together and discuss what's happening in podcasts. index.org the name space and of course, the

creative genius of podcast index dot social. And I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country in an Alabama with a promise to keep us on the namespace rails today. Say hello to my friend on the other end, Mr. Dave Jones. I feel like I'm gonna have a lock up today. I feel like I'm gonna have a boot. That's gonna happen. I rebooted before the show. And everything is Yeah, everything is five by five. I'm in the pipe. But But I have this sneaking suspicion. I have a I

have a a what would you call that? Like? What is that where you look at superstition reminisce from and yes, I'm premonition. lysing, that I'm going to have a boot. You know, in the, in the old country we say the Schumacher scheme that I hate high school now. I said that this morning? Well, you basically just did because the shoemakers children have no shoes is what it No. I sit in the bathroom, though, when I was like after my first cup of coffee.

So I mean, I just want to point out that you know you as a guy who actually keeps systems running professionally. I mean, you've you've let this particular machine just mess with you for months. Is there anything we want to talk about something? Show me where on the screen that computer hurt you today. This this. It's after my I have two philosophies with that with there's two competing philosophies hopefully within

the mind of every IT admin. There are two competing priorities priority number one is, don't is don't let things get too far behind. You must you need to stay up to date so that you can get patches and stay current with you know, fixes and improvements and security patches and that kind of thing. Priority number two is never changed something that is that is working. Yes. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Yeah, that I mean, it's so I am firmly between a rock and a hard

place with this computer. When it's working. It's exact, it's great. And see this is all plays into the unreal because this is also my Umbral and so this is why it's a problem. Yeah, you should really separate those two that's that's the issue. Yeah, don't have separation, proper separation of concerns. And so it's bugging me now. Now this is this is a very bad idea. You know, that laptop, the Surface Pro six that I finally got the tumble working on fine.

I mean, that one actually upgraded 2.5 beautifully. I just haven't touched it. I haven't breathed around it. I tiptoe past it. And it's been I'm gonna I'm gonna knock on wood right now, because it's been up for months. Now he just screwed it. Why did you even say this? I'm awful. I like running with scissors. You were firmly doing this and doing that. Exactly. I mean, like, in 100 different ways. We're running with scissors. I live updated the API this morning with a cool with a new

property. There's no production. But by the way, there's no there's no difference between production and development environments with podcast index. There. It's all production, all production there. In fact, if you do a pull request, it just goes live. Don't even worry about it. Boom. Somebody said, you know, people will make comments and stuff like Spurlock did just was like, wow, that's fast. Like, yeah, there's a reason I didn't test it. I did actually test it.

What actually was this? What was this update to the API is returning the podcast Gu ID in the search results now, which I didn't realize it wasn't doing that which is critical for OC three. I guess I'm not sure what he's doing over there. I guess he's rolling things up into a GUID. It's so funny, because because I also don't really know what he's doing. But I feel good contributing my data twice a week.

I feel so I feel very out of the loop this week. It's been tied up with a lot of personal stuff and the job you know, we hire so I hired a new guy, a third IT guy to help me at the office and event like long term, it's going to be great. He's going to work out just fine and it's going to take a lot of stress and workload. You have to shape him and mold him in your image. Yes, that's the hard part is the have, you know the weeks and weeks of training that has to happen? So that's that's been

chewing up a lot of time. My son moves out tomorrow. He's moving out on his own. Oh, and he's 18 is He? Is he working or going to school? Both working and going to school? Good boy. Good line. Yeah. No more. No more motors welding program, no more. Cool. co2 Mainly are all kinds of welding. He's doing every, every time he's doing stick. TIG TIG pipe welding. Can you get to get a hold of a thermal lance for me? I have some ideas. What is the light you can cut through the safe?

Oh, plasma cutter or whatever. One of those. If there's one in the shop, just let me know. Yeah, it is bittersweet. Steven. You're right. Yeah. A bit very bittersweet. I've been I've been we've been hanging out a lot. We haven't we? We hung out it and you get my clips by the way. I did. Of course. Yeah. Okay, so we we had a Me, me and my son went to the movies last night. We just been hanging out a lot and getting getting some time in and stuff before he moves out.

And so we went to the movies. In the theater, they have this thing called it's a pretzel. It's like a giant pretzel. It's called the Bavarian legend. The greatest name ever forever for a pretzel. This thing. Okay. Get there's a picture of it. In the clips. If you know you know me. I don't look at stuff like that. You don't let me Okay, beforehand. Legend. I see the title. Yeah. Okay. Bring it up. Oh, my goodness. It's one and a half pounds of pretzel.

They don't even know what a pretzel is in Germany. They've never even heard of a pretzel is one and a half pounds. It also has 1940 calories. And 339 carbs. Oh my goodness. I'm going to put it in the show notes. So people get that your is that your dog? growling? Oh, yeah. Actually, Hang on. Let me get let me I will return a very legend. This is too good. Is a beautiful piece of pretzel work. Very, very professional. That didn't know you can hear that. Hear what I can barely hear the

dog. I'm used to because usually it's my dog. And we're looking like she's not even here. So you've tuned in like, Yeah, well, she's she's an early warning defense system. I let him out without any consideration whether there's chickens loose out there. So and it's their own. They're all they're all on their own. They can't figure it out. So you know, besides the fact that you know, of course it's bittersweet. Your son's leaving the house. He's flying the coop

so to speak. Now the the the real downside is? It's uneven. It's two chicks against you. Oh, yeah. Yeah, this this is this is that just means Dave gets more alone time. Y'all want to go shopping together? All right. See you guys later. Yeah, very misogynist of us. I don't know about you feels kind of good to finally be able to talk about pocket Pocket Casts being open source. Yeah, that was killing me. I wanted to tell about 25 people,

but I cannot say a word. So and I think this was probably, you know, a well kept a well known secret in the last month or two. But we had I had a chat with Matt, what was it? Like, three, four months ago? Yeah, yes. Yeah, something like that. And, and then he connected us with the whole team there. And we had a nice chat with them. And I mean, you want to me, what was interesting is that, not only Well, first of all, that's when they say, you know, it's not public yet, but we're going

to open source it. So that's what we need to do first. And then they were like, I mean, Matt was like, How can we not be all in on this? And then the team itself was like, Yeah, we love all the extra extra features and stuff. And but there's value for value that we're really drawn to that.

That's what took us both fast surprises that we were, we always I guess it's just the nature of people who believe in you believe in the utility of credit of crypto or digital currencies, is that, you know, you expect pushback from

everybody all the time. And so you always kind of tiptoe into it, you're like, you know, there's this, there's this way you can you know, we also have this other thing, whereas this way you can do electronic payments, small small payments to him for you know, and you expect it's like now, we're not interested in that, you know, but they were like, Yeah, that's cool. Tell me more about that. We actually left that, as usual to the end, like yeah, we'll

talk about that later. And then bring that forward. What was that? Yeah, they're like, Well, no, that sounds great. But tell me more about this Griffin, you know, this Bitcoin thing. It's like okay, now I know Sure, I know you've been busy. So I don't even get an opportunity to look, I certainly haven't. But I've been

reading some of the reports. So from what I understand the open source, open source the the code for the app, but that the app relies, of course, I think, like almost everybody's app on the back end. And the backend consists of their database. It consists of their user database, and I'm sure some kind of, you know, system where user data is stored is now is this something? What is the intent of this? If it doesn't have kind of a description of what these I guess API calls do? And is that

replicable? Is that you know what I mean, it's like, it's a little confusing to me, I guess I didn't really consider it. Yeah, I've been keeping I haven't been interacting much on the social this way. But I have been best doesn't mean keeping track of everything. And what what it looks like is they released the source code for the Android app and the iOS app. So

that's what their main release was, which is great. And I think Mitch was saying, Well, you know, they don't they didn't release the code for the API, the website, the desktop product. And so it's not a complete open sourcing of everything it's in I have to, I don't know what they're gonna do. But I mean, there, this is WordPress, they, they were they open source everything. So I have to think that eventually, over time, they will open source it, but at the same time, I

mean, wordpress.com, like they're still there. Their official hosting platform? I don't think that is open source. I think it's just the community product. That is WordPress. That's right, or you can run a WordPress standalone, you can fire up this app, you can't write Yes. So you'd have to have some sort of back end that you wrote yourself at home. I mean, so with stuff like this, I wouldn't expect that people would just make a clone of

Pocket Casts. Maybe I'm wrong. I mean, I just, I can just speak for myself, if I was going to do something with this code. I can't imagine that I would just like rebrand this and sort of white label this and read and compile it and go, I feel like what the benefit of this thing is, is seeing what is getting pulling code out, in being able to like, fast track your own app with some stuff that you're struggling with pulling this

code in. I feel like it's more of a pure open source play in the in that sense, rather than, like, Okay, here's a, here's this app that everybody can just kind of put their own logo on and read, compile. So here's my thinking about it. Depending on, you know, what their system does, it seems perhaps worthwhile if there's this. Yeah. And there's more than one. But this is a you know, a lot of hands have been on this app. i A lot of people

really like it. They're kind of if if there was a way to say, Okay, you you, whatever, was connected to Pocket Cast HQ. Now, connect that to your own server. And here's the index part. Obviously, the a lot of those calls, probably we have already is that Then something that can be used as it as like a template that that actually can let people just put their logo on it? What's I'm not necessarily against

as possible. I mean, the one thing I don't know, because I have not looked at the code is, I don't know how much of this is legacy code might be a mess. Who knows? That's what I was thinking. It really could be a mess. I mean, if you've had, if they've been pulling forward code for how long has Pocket Casts been around 10 years, that's a lot of different hands. That's the thing. Lots of different people there might be like, on the iOS side, there can

be tons of Objective C code still in there. For things like old classes that they never really touch. It's like, okay, this thing just works. And we don't, I mean, we're not going to go back and rewrite this in Swift. There could be this could be a mishmash of all kinds, there can be C code in there.

All kinds of things. I don't I don't know. You know, as a matter of fact, it just seemed like the like the overall messaging was, you know, this is a great way for people to help with bugs and request features, which I think arguably, that's, you know, I think they've got a lot of people helping with that a lot of people who are very dedicated to the app. Now, do they charge for a premium experience, or is it free all the way around? Yeesh I don't know. I hope I hope they charge. I don't know.

I don't actually know. You I don't either. Pocket Casts iOS, I'm just looking at the iOS thing because I don't I don't know anything about about and the Android side. There is a little bit of Objective C in there. Oh, 97% of it is swift. So that's good. Yeah, they have Pocket Casts plus. Okay, there you go. That's there. When do you get from Pocket cash plus? Yeah. So it looks like a lot of their objective stays see stuff is is it's just utility code. It's chapter reader. media

metadata. Watch app extension. Yeah, like, this looks like a relatively well kept code base. Like it's pretty modern. It seems. Yeah. $1 a month. 99 cents? No, I wish people would charge more. Yeah. Anyway, okay. Well, good. Yeah. So we're very happy. And I'm gonna do I'm gonna do I'm gonna circle back, I'm gonna circle back with Matt and say, Hey, got a pin in it. Hey, man, congratulations. Great release. Now, what's the word? Johannesburg?

Well, I think the, I think, yeah, I think it's time to, to pick them up and see what's going on again. Yeah, I think that's a good idea. What do you what do you think's gonna happen with this with this code? I mean, I'm exactly so you gotta you've got to what people have been wanting for a while is like a real good 2.0 reference app that has, that has a lot of modern features, combined with a

lot of well established features. So some of the some of the knock if there is one on 2.0 apps is that quite a few of them grew grew up that were born as new abs in didn't have as, especially on the mobile side. So they they're trying, they're sort of playing catch up with some of the more well established, like, tried and true things that podcast apps do. And so they have like new features, but they don't have

one thing, you know, things like pod friend. So I could think I could see this as being like, a way to just short circuit shortcut, that whole thing where you go, you go in build this app, play around with it, begin to see how it's put together. I guess I could see this and then like you said, attach a attach

the the index on the backside of it. I'm hoping to see right out the gate, I'm hoping to see pull requests submitted back to them to have like, me, just does it PR, it has a PR that says Add cloud chapters. I think that that's feels like that's what's destined to happen, because there's not enough people who read like

Pocket Cast, that, that the PRS will be for 2.0 stuff. And I think that over time, it's going to take a while right that it's just going to take quite a while before you see that starting to show up in the in the production version. In the meantime, you know, there's there's a lot of, I mean, I use all different apps

for different reasons, none of them really has it all. So I think that if you want to be on the cutting edge, and you want to have the, you know, the current features and the new features, kind of always, then, you know, there's many other alternatives. So I was really wise of them to not commit to development under 2.0 features until after they open sourced it, because then that may just save them work. Well, of course, that's the whole that's the beauty of it.

And you know, all the extra, like, look, they're charging for all these great features that people like so you know, I don't even know if those a bit they didn't open source, the Pocket Cast Plus, there's a lot of features that you get in Pocket Casts plus, so that's their sauce. And that's kind of how it should be. And I was like the if if like if cast, thematic had an

android version, I'd be pretty interested. You know, I'm very interested in the in the actual sound, but of course, that could never happen because of the iOS libraries, etc. But yeah, I don't know. I think when I hear people say people say I'm like, I don't know, a lot. It's very, very personal. I mean, see how long and how many people were using dog catcher completely unsupported piece of crap, ultimately, because it just broke. I broke, I broke it. Well, now at least we broke it.

We broke it. But how many people really like it, and probably still use it and probably get another app just to listen to this show? Or whatever. Whatever was breaking it. Yes, sir. Sure. I really don't know Somebody on Twitter was dogging out the one of the app developers in he was like, Yeah, I came from I had to come over from dogcatcher. I'm like, oh, man, you're talking out and ya know, I told him pump the brakes, buddy. Yeah, was that turned out to be okay. And Mitch jumped in. And

it was pod verse yesterday. Yeah, I was like, Hey, easy, does it pal. But yeah, I don't know. It's to me, it's, again, it's what what can you create? That is of value in your in your app. whatever that value is, you got to remember to find a way to ask people for it. And now I see very elegant solutions from curio caster and pod verse on how to support you know, then there's premium versions. And so you know, there's I think there's, that's where the focus

has to go. I mean, you need to understand the type of person who uses your app. I mean, someone was asking me the, the Oh, the meat mafia, we're here. And so you're talking about stuff. And they say what apps it is, there's so many different experiences, like there's a huge, blind and poorly sighted community, who of course is well served by pod vers. Pod verse right now is this funny guy to mix his like, Hey, why is why the why is traffic up for pod versus that because people are

interested in open source? And and I've looked around for apps and found a pod versus maybe, maybe also because I keep promoting it on no agenda as the app to listen to the show live with the troll room? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, there you go. Maybe, maybe, maybe. So perhaps the so I'm just saying it's like, you know, I just don't buy into the apps are behind or they're immature? Or I think that's an opinion. I still use curio Castro the most. I don't know why.

No, no, it's the web app. I would never use the term immature. I think. I think here's, here's the way I see that, that develop that idea develop is this. People get it here, here. And here would be the here would be the thing. Somebody looks at Freedom controller for the first time sees sees the way that it does RSS feed, news feeds, and says,

Yeah, I really wish this had an inbox view. Right? Like, that's, that's the type of thing you get, it's like, well, that net doesn't mean that it's behind, it just means that that's not what we do. I mean, that's not what I want the product to be. And so like, there's, there's this idea when the developer has a vision, when you come into a market, into an existing market, where there's already a bunch of players that have been doing things a very similar way, RSS feed readers are a great

example. Things like news, Ben and Feedly. And those kinds of things. And once upon a time Google Reader, there was a certain way that those UIs developed, and people, and then one person would do one thing would add a feature. And then they would all have to copy it because they need, you know, they're scared that they're going to be taken away from where everybody's copying everybody all the time. Isn't before long, you know, after a decade, you end up with a whole

bunch of apps that look almost the same, really. I mean, they don't, they'll have slight variation between them. But the things they emphasize, but for the most part, they all have the same feature set. So then you have a new thing that comes along like 2.0, where apps are like, Okay, we're going to embrace this fully. And we're gonna go we're gonna start an

app, that right out of gate embraces this? Well, they may not even those developers may not care so much about this, conforming to the legacy mindset of the legacy milieu of what these other apps did. So then. So in other people interpret that as a will, it doesn't it doesn't even do so. Yes. So case in point. Pod vers de No, I think clips the way pod verse does their clips, and surfaces them clips of other shows or shows that you're subscribed to or not subscribed

to. That's not something that you can get an every single legacy app fountain. I have to say that Tina really got into the social networking aspect of it. She's like, Oh, yeah. All right. So she found a clip. It was a simple one because she found in here you open it up, you get a clip, she found a clip, he said, who did this clip. Oh, was Chad F. So then she follows Chad F and now she's like, Oh, this is cool clip from a different podcast. And then she starts to listen to other

podcasts. I mean, I saw it work. before my very eyes, it's not for me. You know, because I look at that little alarm bell, and there's 50 in there and I get anxious and like, yeah, now add can handle that. That's like, as long as there's a Clear All button that you know, so of course I don't use it. Sometimes I'll dive into Explorer. So that's something very, very different. But yeah. On the other hand, you know, there's the Android Auto doesn't work,

you know, so, yeah, I think what you said is correct. It doesn't even do CarPlay. You know, where's that's, that's quite, that's quite specific, but this functionality is coming up. And these to me, it's no different than one man rock bands. And you're gonna have your, your, your core core group, and they're always going to buy the merch, and they show up for every single release every single show. And notice the similarity for the release. You get groupies, but usually pretty poor quality.

Voice. You get that thing at like, here's an example. sleep timer. There's a lot of apps. A lot of podcasts apps have asleep. Yeah, that was missing from curio caster for a long time. Yeah, I don't. I have no earthly desire to ever have that in half. There's, I'm never gonna go to sleep to a podcast. That's just not that I would have never even thought to suggest such a thing. There you go. And then And then other people are like, Oh, this is a deal breaker. You know, okay, okay.

I'm not really kidding. When I say this. There are software developers who I follow. I follow them for their art for their, for their creations. I'm fortunate enough to work with a bonafide genius. I mean, Van Gogh level, Dave Jones, and Van Jones. Have done but Alex, but no, but I'm just saying. I still follow Dave whiners development, even though there's a lot of issues and a lot of chuckling. But I fall and I think that, you know, Rock Band. Yeah, I think there's developers who like

Marco, he's also a rockstar in a way. And I hate saying that, because the next one is ninja and all that bullshit Silicon Valley talks about developers. But I'm really making the true. The true comparison. And software developers in fact used to sell software in little baggies with a disc in there, very analogous to drugs. But you can also say it was records or

CDs. So getting to know your audience, your people who feedback your users, you know, you're almost partners, they're going to help you make the app better, is something that, you know, I'm sure a lot of people do it just subconsciously makes kind of sense. But is it? Is it a? Is it just a GitHub feedback

loop? Or is it a real conversation that you're able to have surrounding the software to get noticed, and I'm saying I mean, I don't see it any different than a soft than a podcast product, that relationship and that's going that ultimately is going to get the value that you just feel you deserve? Or that you put in to the to the creation, no matter how the money flows, it will happen if you if you can build that kind of communication? Well, I feel like that's probably the same. That really

is the power of open source. When you open and I guess K Pocket Casts will discover this over time, when you open source something and that's why I'm addicted. I'm going to use the word addicted. I think there is a real mindset shift that happens when people begin to open source things. You do kind of get addicted to it. Because there's a

it's like, you know what I mean? Like you finally you be like looking around, you see, no one cares, you take your clothes off, and then it's like, wow, how come I haven't been doing this all the time. And next thing you know, you're in the supermarket at the deli and you're swinging in the breeze. Yeah. And the woman Yeah, yeah. There's a there's a real sort of addictive quality to throwing

things out there and creating a feedback loop. It really isn't isn't exciting to throw something up on a public repo and see the comments come back, see people making suggestions, pull requests, those things are those things are real help and it makes you feel like it's not just you going in alone and I and in there it generates excitement about out things. And this is something I wanted to throw in just before I

forget, and I'm not sure if it belongs here. But I was thinking about like if the way people can help and participate in invest in software, I'm just taking this analogy further. And I was thinking this morning, like, I need to remind people that you can actually go to some friends and family and say, hey, you know, I need 1000 bucks to start a podcast, I can buy some gear, I can get going, do a little bit of marketing, have a website, get a host, etc. And then you know, I'm from day one, I put

you in 50% of the value split. And then you know, it's all transparent. And then by that, you know, when you see where you need to where we need to be, or whatever the number was, then we reduce that, etc. And it's a really nice way to have people help you out and get started with an immediate, many investors love that when they see money coming back

immediately, even if it's the sat at a time. Same Same goes for software, I feel that you know why if you're doing 4% on an app, and you need some, some cash to not have to work a second job, and then you could put an investor into a split right away. I'm just my mind is just running rampid with ideas how we can reform the whole the whole way we work and podcasting 2.0 is I think a great example of just that. You you want to play this this might be appropriate for this

clip. There's this so and in Greece, oh my mind because my son's moving out into an apartment. This this. I don't know if you've seen apartments lately, but the rent is outrageous. $3,000 a month. It's just a starter. Yeah, here in Birmingham. I mean, like it's, it's no joke, two grand, this is a small market. So it means two grand for, you know, for a decent two bedroom. So it's got like, they got below that but the you know, the the amenities are what

they're selling. It's like there's, there's everything. And now you will own nothing. Yeah, in such a play to get a get rid of this clip. I saw a leasing offer online, it popped up on the screen for new apartments near a college campus. And their luxury apartments there obviously for rich kids to go to school. And they feature a coffee shop, a rooftop pool, all these e electronic sports area with all this stuff, and free gaming and

Wi Fi and all these things. And it said podcasts studios, they've built podcast studios and apartment complex because the kids all want to do podcasts. They have a selfie screen, a green screen where you can do all this electronic stuff. This is what all the kid every bit all the young people all want to do this. So the running joke and what I do for a living is there's a million people, there's more than a million people out there doing podcasts. Everybody's doing it.

You guessed it, it's not very good. That's funny. I mean, like, it's just I was thinking when you were talking I'm like, Well, okay, you get the podcast studio just have a default split in there for the for the for the apartment complex or something like that, that you get you you repay yourself for the investment of the of the technology. Sadly, all of this is going to come crashing down upon itself. All these other entities are going to go away. It's going to

be empty, empty racks. People will not there's going to be rats in the hallway. My kids can they both work and go to school, but they both have good jobs for their age. Like they may they both have well paying jobs, part time jobs that they use to help get them to sell through school. And if they can't even afford these places, then it's outrageous. It's not going to last Yeah. Because nobody nobody can know that we will we've been through that they're free money is over.

The you know, there's another I've got another clip in here and I think this may be more. I'd like to maybe get into the namespace when we'd have to definitely. Okay. So this is from coder radio, and they were they were talking about some other things like get hubs copilot feature, which is, which has been a lot in the news. You know, do you even know what that is? Oh, no, I don't. Okay, so copilot is a GitHub thing, where it's sort of like auto complete for entire sections of code.

Okay, it's supposed to be aI driven. And the idea here is that like, Okay, I look it's like clipping, you know, clip. Oh, it looks like you're writing an essay. Alright. Would you like an HTTP request? codeblock. Exactly. That's exactly what it is. Exactly. It's it's, it's exactly as clip, as keeps Clippy for developers. So you can say, you know, functions base, fetch HTTP, and it's like, oh, boom, autocomplete. Do you want this? And it gives you a whole

function, this does an HTTP get request. And you're like, okay, and you hit Tab and you've got a function. So and it's supposed to be like aI driven. But then what happens is, people start noticing this code looks really familiar. Of course, they would, of course, this is gonna happen. And then there's like, supposedly, the setting in there where you can go in and turn off certain licensed software, there's a GPO, I guess you can just set your restrictions of how it filters in certain

situations. You can you auto complete this thing. And it is exact code out of people's repositories. Like it's just life and just code Oh, just pulling it from anywhere that it knows that it lives inside its repos. And then it just like, boop, autocomplete that oh, that's, like identical, like I did this guy shows like screenshots of like, Hey, here's my matrix function or whatever over here on the left, and here's what GitHub copilot suggests, and they look identical.

So here's an open source the code, he's just using GitHub right? Now, can I just say, Does this surprise anybody, we knew this would happen. We knew that eventually it would get evil once it was sold. Hello. So anyway, they that's the topic they're on. And they get on to this, this thing of how to how to handle GitHub issues. And, and I go and just go and play and then we'll comment on

every project is unique. Everybody has different use cases, because you could argue that also in a free software project, people open up a lot of bogus PRs, and a lot of bogus issues that the projects never going to touch. And they pile up and they pile up and they become overwhelming and demotivating to the developers, because they have hundreds of open issues that they're never going to touch, but they don't know what to do. Like we have a small GitHub for Jupiter broadcasting.

And that's already come up a couple of times, as like, what do you do with these issues that don't really fit here? They're not really a problem. They're more of somebody's opinion, like, what do you do? Do you just close it? Do you do say thanks for your contribution? Then close it? Do you just let something come along and clean it up? Like there really is never a right answer? Oh, yeah, I know the answer. You just swipe left. That's it. We have this issue already on the

horse, of course. And I think if we didn't have podcasts index dot social, I think it would have been a lot worse, a lot worse. Yeah. And there's 133 issues open in the namespace now. And he and I want to emphasize the thing that he said, which is, there's no good answer to what to do with some of these. There's like, you go back, and then let's just let me just flip through here and see if I can pick one at random. Okay, well, here's one for podcast ID feedback from, like

December of 2020. And, or here's one from shared and subscribable, block lists from Brian of London from December of 2020. I mean, I don't know what to do with this. It's possible that there may be content in here is useful. But then again, I'm like, Well, I mean, if nothing has been done with this in two years, what am I supposed to do with this issue? And the the point he makes that when new people come to the namespace repo, and they see 133 open issues, it looks like we're not

doing anything. It looks like progress is not being made, because there's just this immense amount of open issues. You know, I'm not asking your advice. Maybe we ask people to go review their open issues and prune self prune, maybe rewrite. I mean, it's going to be a small group, I would say, Now, how many 133? You said, magic number 133. How many of those are Daniel J. Lewis? About 100? Daniel J. Okay, Daniel's a perfect example. Thank you for bringing

him up. I don't I don't know what to do with a lot of his issues, because they are more like, a lot of them are more like commentary than they are, like, action items. Right? Some, some of them are but a lot of times it's like, here's what I think should be, you know, changed or what? Well, how are these? I'm sorry, you know, how are these candidates fries? Can you categorize them? Because if you look at it, I mean, so their suggestions, you know, gets a

ranking. Probably a low we're ranking their stuff. I mean, there's obviously there's stuff that that isn't an immediate benefit to someone or a bug. And bug is, of course, clear what needs to be done with that and needs to be put in the bug queue. But can you with GitHub, can you rank that for a view somehow that we can just find out what needs to be done? We need a secretary, we need an intern. There we go. It's yes, we need an intern. I know, I know as I get it, yes.

You have to read the issues. Understand that as keep suit and like, in the problem is, okay, here's the issue. I don't want to come across as a dick. You know, I don't want to be like, Okay, well, I'm closing this is I mean, yeah, well, that wasn't important. That issue was important to me. I spent well, then why are you worried? Why are you worried? If people show up and think that out? They don't respond to anything. That's people who haven't actually looked. I mean, that

seems to be the core problem. The problem is we look like we're not responding to what's your taking? Personally, I think, maybe me and maybe, like, I don't want to be the the dictator that's like No, enclose it now just close it and then sign it as James. Oh, that's a perfect, that's, that's like a perfect weasel solution to this problem. I love it. James do it. Alright. But I understand and I think that first thing is, everybody can just go take a look and see if

you're open issues are still relevant. If it's really an issue, has it maybe been hashed out somewhere else? And then just close it? Close, close your closure stuff? Okay, that's a good way to have because Helford a round one, round one. Everybody closed their own stuff. If they're not, if they're not super proud of it, or if they don't really, really believe in it strongly. And then I will go through and make make the aihole sweep in and start cleaning stuff up.

I think that's fair. That's fair. I mean, like, because they always be reopened, they can just, you know, they can always be where you guys reopen it, you can you can petition, you can petition to me or James and say, hey, you know, I spent two hours on this proposal and I don't you know, why, why did you close it? And lo, okay, we'll reopen it. Before we get into the namespace, I have a specific thing to discuss about pod paying live and the reason codes

and everything. I guess that is kind of namespaces and is the reason code. Reason code is namespace now, that's popping. Not namespace. But that's okay. We can bounce in and out. Okay, yeah, right now it's confused. Anyway, here's what I was thinking. So I got this 100%, retro station, and they're up and streaming. And so now they, you know, they have probed, actually, that they have special promos, and they have things that they announce. But they have personalities. And

these personalities start at a certain time during the day. So let's say they have over a 24 hour period, there's probably four personalities that do a NEO total of half of that. And what what they're about to start streaming along with their stream is metadata. So I was thinking, Is there a way to have a reason code for a live a live station in this case, where you can send out an alert when the when the host starts, you know,

so you're already live? I mean, maybe it's just you just ping it live and say, you know, and you title the episode differently. You say, Here's Kim wild or whatever, she happens to have a show on a station. Does that make any sense? That's a really interesting idea. I like that a lot. So it's for long running live, where you want to be notified of things that happen inside that. Yeah. And interestingly, the same time when you know, so they have

their version of a newsletter is a promo. And I'd be like, this week, you know, it's what was it? Whose birthday was it? There was a Darren Darren even played a hole but not anyway, so. So it's birthday week, and we're gonna play different songs. They have little promo and so you want that promo? I mean, that that just goes in and as an episode. And I mean, and so now, the question is, do you notify people of the promo just in the regular way the podcast would, which I think is yes. Or do you

also hit the pod ping about that? I mean, that made me too complicated. But for now. I'm looking to figure out how I can take metadata because they have no technology. This is just me help. And I'm out just dreaming shit up because it's cool to do, right. That's why I want to have extra stuff in in 2.0. So I've just figured out a way to get this metadata to filter it, and

then have a list of names. So when it pops up, Ben Librans in the mix, live now, boom, that's when you want to fire off a pod ping in, you know, new host, or whatever the reason code is something that maybe, maybe it falls under the same stuff, or maybe there is a reason to give it a special reason.

Okay, so here's how here's how to approach this from, from an idea, or, here's, here's the the mental framework to approach this from a pod ping, in the things that happen within pod ping, are meant to reflect things that happen in the feed. So the feed if the feed doesn't change, right, and there shouldn't be a pod pain in any way. So the the pod ping, pod ping is supposed to be an alert system that says, hey, an event

just happened in the feed, go check the feed. Right. So if you that's, this is appropriate, though, if the event that happened is that the person tag changed from host, Kim wild to host that Dutch name you said that I can't pronounce. That is an event. And that could be a reason code, it could be something as vague as metadata change. Or it could be really specific, like host host swap or host change or something like there could be or just person or something. So as long as there

as long as the feed had a change to it. And I would think that in this in this regard, we would want that to happen. We would want there to be in the live item, a person tag that has the current host in it is that as long as there's an event, as long as the feed changed in some way, yeah, for sure. So my old pod ping makes sense. And my ultimate goal with this, of course, is to is to get their

on air talent. And and I think most of them actually do it live to get them to interact in real time with with booster grams. I got you, I guess. Okay, so anyway, well, it's the you know, like, Stephen, use this example of no agenda live stream. As long you know, it's 24/7. And so there really could be, there could be a feed for the in a stream. And it could do this exact same thing. That may be a way to sandbox this,

play around with who I liked that idea. Now you're talking in the it could be value block updated, there could be a value block in the live stream that updates in their pod pin goes out for that along with the person change, or some you know, like the metadata change. It makes sense, I guess we'll just

have to come around. I don't know on the fly, whether it makes sense to have just sort of done something that's generic, like that falls under sort of a vague, this type of thing updated or to get real specific with a general generally speaking, it's best to be as vague as possible with these things. So that you know, like you instead of going down four levels, you may maybe you stop at two. All right, well just wanted to throw that out there kind of get us started.

That's a great idea. I dig that a lot cool. Because you can see the you can see the usefulness of it. Because if you if you go out months or however long this this thing takes Can you imagine that you know live streaming becomes more and more of a thing within this you're going to run into this issue and there's going to be things like this where you're going to need to signal a change midstream. Yeah, dig it as it is great. That's a great idea. Okay, so I made a their own chat room.

So when you well what is it IRC or? Yeah, it's just it's just another room on the on the void zero dotnet server. are they interacting with like live are they? No, I don't think anyone No. Not yet. Like the owner, the guy, the guy who owns it, he's still his head is still reeling because I set him up with a with a get Alby. Now, I'm maintaining their feed just for now because they got nothing, you know. He wasn't ever expecting to go in this direction have this as some

additional thing. So he's out there, making advertising deals. And I say hold my beer Hold on a second. Let me just put this in here and I show him a booster Graham. He says why? So yeah, that's my list. That's money coming in. Look, I'm just listening. That's money coming in. He's what? He's already like, he can't wait to show his investors. Like, yeah, we have we have revenue. We have $3 we have revenue. Yeah. I like it. Okay. Yeah, that's, that's really

neat. The namespace, more namespace or the namespace, see where it will go with their name, you're in charge of the name. I said, you keep us on the namespace rails today. Z. So there's one thing is is speeding up speeding up to the TX T. Adoption. So I think that if nobody has anything else to add or or any showstopper ideas or anything like that, I think we should go ahead and formalize or, excuse me, not formalized. But finalize, the podcast TX T. Tag is like soon like the like

maybe November the first? Yeah, I'm good with that. Because it's a simple tag is really not. I mean, it's truly not much to it. I mean, it's just a text box, essentially. And then there's, there's already prior art with DNS. So we kind of know how these sorts of things are supposed to work. And it's been like in the works for a long time. And we've we've been talking about it, not necessarily on the GitHub, but way before it was posted as a proposal, we already sort of

knew what we were, what we were after. And then the other thing is, like, are early next year, Apple is going to start recommending officially that people take email addresses out of their feeds, we really have to have something there sort of in play kind of quickly. And we already know this, some hosts are ready to go with this thing. It's like yeah, I'm gonna, you

know, I'm going to support this day one. I mean, as long as there's nothing no big you know, showstoppers, I think we should go ahead and try to do is do we have enough? hosts who are who are going to make this switch? Because, you know, Apple be damned as far as I'm concerned. Is it right time for us? Yeah, I mean, like, Justin, over at transistor, he was like, Yeah, well, we'll be there day one. Okay, you know, so, so that anyway, so we have, we have what's, you know, the criteria

that we've got to host this says they're gonna implement. We've got at least two we have at least one of those. And we have at least one app that's going to implement it, which is Steven B. Because he implements everything he's Mikey he's all he's, he's the he's the guy in the back in my back pocket where I can always say, oh, yeah, we got we got one app, because there's always gonna be Steven. And then we got to and we will do it as

well and podcaster Wallet. So like, I feel like we've gotten broad promise of adoption already. And just like you can say, Yes, D to B will do you always know that. That Casta pod will always be their new feature cast a pod has it cast the pod is like it's like that car with a million clowns come out of it. You open the door this is features man puppet boop boop boop boop boop whammy brew in the reservoir shut the door like three seconds. One another

one pops out one final. I like it. Yeah, this I mean, I think I'm, I think I'm comfortable. I don't like speeding things and rushing things like give things time to bake. But at the I think this one's best was ready. That's what I've always liked about you, Dave. Nice and slow. Let's not rush this. Let's not rush. We have we have our whole lives ahead of us. Just I mean, I can I can stick a toothpick in this one, and there's nothing sticking to it. We're good. Sounds good to me. All right.

All right. The so the other one. I think we just need to get John Spurlock on to talk about the events tag. I don't want to do this really without him because I think no, I think you're right. And we need to schedule for that. Yeah. Which, which is my way of saying you're gonna schedule like, yeah, this I picked it up. I think we should have our own response natural responsibilities for the production of the show. It works out. You deal with meat people.

Let me tell you, the math the meat mafia guys and they say 28 year old man I love these guys this is the neat mafia exactly who are these people?

It's these these two guys and they were both college athletes and after college, you know, their bodies start to give up on them a whole bunch of weird shit and, and literally like massively weird shit like stomach issues and you know, 10 years of problems and you know, the commercial on TV, we always see the lady like she's about to go into the lawyer's office meeting and like, Oops, sorry, I gotta go take shit. Or like, a singer isn't there to sing, you know, it's like, where is she

and then the bass players like all moods are taken to shit. So and actually, they presented in in Bluffton, Georgia at that beef initiative Summit. And their story is, you know, like, they just, were kind of out of ideas. I'm just gonna go try this beef pure pure grass fed, and in their case, grass finish. And within two weeks, they started to heal. And so now, you

know, so now they're on their own kind of mission. They're also, you know, they're not just about beef, but they're about healthy living, etc. But it's just, it's these two millennial guys. And they're, you know, they're, they're figuring it out. They're doing value for value. They're making a living, talking about whole food and in heat and natural healing. Sounds like misinformation? And disinformation, the mafia. Yeah, for sure. Am three the information Mark,

did we start this thing on time? Or what Brother? Was our timing? Impeccable for once mine for once. But what what of a dozen possible things? Are you referring to? The index the index? Yeah. And the and the and the streaming sets, you know, the value for value is like, every single day, more and more people are starting to see this as the as an option? And certainly, the index itself, what an what a valuable piece of work that you've you put together here.

Well, everyone has put together of course, well, as long as I don't break it with love of dating. We're good. That's part of the charm. Now that's part of why we're here. Right in the rocket rod the right, you know, do you know the end of Dr. Strangelove? Yes. Run the run the nuke? Yeah, I think. Yeah, I think we just need to have John on and talk about talk about advance because I already had some conversations offline about about it. People

have some ideas, people have some concerns. And so like, rather than try to like, rehash everything here in this slow motion thing, I'll just, I'll schedule him. And we'll have a whole episode dedicated to just like hashing out what that would mean, a whole episode. Oh, 15 minutes? Come on. We're running the show here. Okay, we will have will, you can pencil it in and then we'll we'll send out a pod ping when we switch topics mid show.

This is very, very, I'm very, very curious about the about the immense thing that'd be that'll be good to dig into. That's great ideas. What is live streams? Okay. You were talking about switching hosts and everything. Could a live stream have chapters? Cloud chapters? Yeah, whoa, yeah, you can send metadata. And you can change the metadata. Like if there's a new song. Yeah, technically, that's exactly what it is you're sending. You're sending track

data, I think is what it will be called. In this case. Yeah, I know you're, you're talking about in the mp3 header. No, no, no, in the life frame there live stream. Yeah, that's it streaming mp3 chunks is what it is. But what I'm talking about is, is what I'm talking about is in the chapters cloud, could it have a cloud chapters file attached to the live stream, and you're updating the cloud chat the chapters JSON file.

And the point would be to have I mean, it's already happening when you you're listening to a stream, the art of the album, art will change and everything changes. So there's your mechanism just how do we tie into the problem? Could be here that that had to look at the spec, but the problem here can be that the chapters specify an offset. But what what is what is the point of the chapter because it

won't be for lookup it'll just be to switch something. I understand well, I'm not sure if if chapters is the right way to go. Well, I'm talking about like for for all the things champions do like image showing an image at a certain moment. Show you know Showing having a link is all the power of chapters but within a live stream. Yeah, I understand I understand. The issue here is it does specified as offsets, though,

because like the chapters are like, start time. And it's a number of seconds afters. What I'm saying is, there's a perfectly functioning system in place. That works really, really well with live streams. So I don't see why putting that into a separate chapter file is going to make it any better, it would still be the same thing. But whatever, I don't know what you just say so so like if I want to say if I want to send some. Alright, so let's, let's

say that I'm on pod verse. And I'm listening to this live stream right now. How is pod verse going to get a chapter image by changing the image from a podcast in a live stream scenario, to get the streamed data that is being sent by the stream already? So the street you're saying that, then in the ice cast server in this, in this scenario, can also send chapter art? Yes, a URL, I believe I can want to take a look. Because here I have, I can even do it. I think I can even do it here. On here,

metadata. Okay, you can do ancy, UTF, eight and that automatically. So you can send it you send the information to your encoder, which you are, which you're streaming from, and then that gets rebroadcast by your server? How does it broadcast, it was the, it encodes it in the stream. So the audio was going and a metadata stream, and it will have a URL for an image art. Okay, so this is icecast metadata. I think that's for now playing information. I think so. Yeah.

Okay. All right. I need to need to look at that. Because I'm curious, because I think you guys are going to be at your station info, which also shows up in certain places, including an IRC channel, by the way. And the metadata? I see. Because I'm wondering if you can, okay, this may be the ice cube soup says it can send arbitrary text. So if that if that arbitrary text can be like a JSON blob or some sort of schema, ID, metadata structure, then then you could just send

the chapter data in its standard format. Yeah, you could do that along the stream in Yeah. Okay. So you can just like, you just have a rolling chapters file, rather than having to specify one static file that lives somewhere else. I mean, typically, the way it works, the way that most encoders work is, and it none of it's applicable for what we're

really doing. But you fire up, you know, you have a playlist of songs, that's what they think radio is, and and it plays the song and it takes the mp3 ID three information from the mp3 shoots that through it through the encoded stream, and then it pops up with a image with with text, album, artists track.

Alright, so that that's a point of research for me then, because I mean, there, if you can do that, then you can also send emails and lots of things through that you can listen to lots of, of, of metadata, structured metadata, for things like chapters or value blocks, or whatever,

I would not want to get too deep into that at this point. Seeing as there's really only 10 people doing this, and we have a lot of other namespace stuff that it may take precedence I'm just trying to, I'm trying to say is, I don't know if that's super important. At this juncture, it's good. It's fun to look at, for sure. It's just like, I'm not sure what it's I'm not sure. I don't know, I

guess. If I were to prioritize things, I would much rather put effort into seeing how we can get peer tube to work in apps and so we can actually get some video going for the live stuff because that's the audience that's waiting to leave the video streamers Oh, yeah. That's, I mean, the YouTube Super Chat. We have it all, but we don't. What I need I need, Alex gave me an image of the hive writer or a Docker image of the hive router, this got the captain proto

socket stuff in it. So as soon as I get a chance, I tried to work on it yesterday, but it didn't just get caught up. But as soon as I get a chance, I'm gonna get that working hope that's, we gotta get that one out the door first because that one's important. And then then once because that gives us live reason codes, then then we can move on to something else. But as on the pod on the pod ping live front, I guess that one really has to has to happen pretty quickly, right? Yeah, okay.

I'm just trying to back your way from too much work, brother. Gatchaman. nerd. I'm already afraid of the events tag. Yeah, yeah, that's a scary one. Do we want to say, Yeah, let's do that. That's a good idea, a value for value proposition. This podcast is and the entire project. That means that we ask a simple question. Did you get any value from this show from what we're talking about, from any of the guests

from any of the information from the entire project? Because of course, we have servers and stuff that needs to run and his upgrade needs to grow. Just put that into a number send it to us? Let us know exactly how valuable you think it is. You can do that at podcast. index.org. We still do accept the PayPal fee at Fun coupons. And is our is our QR code showing up again. That thing is elusive. Let me go on the website. Yeah, yeah, cuz it was not. No tally. Tally coin is

like I think tally coin might have done something different. I gotta check around see if that's us or them. Anyway, the way the way you really want to do it is you want to get an app with a boost button that I liked the way James positions I think it's funny look at your app does have a boost button. Oh no. You need one new podcast. Here's a couple of the boosts that we've been receiving during the show and just prior some pre boosts. There was a well as a competition. I'll read them in

reverse order 17,776 from blueberry. Who says it's okay I'll look like an ass. The apps I do my serious listening on have got to have lit no question about it in my mind live shows make up the vast majority of my listening catalogue. I wish more apps would take lit seriously okay. Then meet his comes in with 17,777 had to one up blueberry. We encourage this by the way and there is Dred Scott the Bruce Wayne of podcasting. 2.0 was 17,778 sets joining the one up club and blueberry boo

furry I'm sorry boo flurry. That's his brother came in at 17,778 SATs as well. And there is a brand new one from chimp 13,005 79 eating sushi and boosting live boost boost boost it's I love it when it's a game boost boosts. 9999 from Burberry as well, let's see we got we go down the list here. Dred Scott got us going one time for the one time he says 33,333. Boost boost Exactly. See servo 3333 boosted from the from the cron tab. Nice.

Oh, we got it. We got in some week. We we slid up into somebody's Cron. We did it's from the boost CLI I had the little logo here. And it says boosting from the cron tab in parentheses and Friday October 21 1033 dot o one PDT. 2022 cool. I like that's like, that's the subscription. That's the subscription. Yeah, we we have one subscriber that we like a lot like sliding up into some nice crontab sounds dirty? Yeah. Then we have Lyceum with 2222 and a rush

2112. Let me see. This is of course, Martin. Martin Landeskog. Do you think that the open source version of Pocket Cast will add podcast 2.0 and value for value features? How do you think automatic that is linked to WordPress could support a diverse ecosystem of third party clients? Oh, this is a quote. Oh, that's interesting. You know, I think I heard this so apparently they say they had a quote. They meaning pocket like a Cassie I think automatic. Okay.

They like to support a diverse ecosystem of three Third Party clients, I'd have to read the whole quote kind of, maybe they just want people to tie into their back end our podcast index possible. Possible open source. Could be could be anyway. That would be they'll be interesting to see if that happens. Maybe.

There was a I know they have their own, they have their own directory and the day was it is the guy's name Phil up in there who were talking to one, I think his name was Philip, that we thought we had a call with that day from Pocket Casts. And here's the Australian guy, wasn't he? Yeah, that was the original owner. I guess. Maybe not. I think I think he was co founder. Yeah. We just see. Yeah, okay. Well, here's here's the quote from what Martin is

talking about. We believe that podcasting cannot cannot and should not be controlled by Apple and Spotify and instead support a diverse ecosystem. Oh, clients. Okay. I stopped. Stop stoking up trouble, Martin. Yeah, it's all makers roll, man troublemaker control. So but when he when we were talking to him that day, he you know, he was like, you know, yeah, we run he was asking me a lot of stuff about the index and how we do our directory and that

kind of thing, because they also run a directory. Yeah. And one of the things we briefly chatted about in he was interested in working on in the future is, is a way to share on the back end, you know, share ride day, like we do with Marco. Yeah, exactly. So that we're not all recreating the wheel independently in five different silos. Yeah, we gotta get back. We got to circle back to that. Yeah, let's do circle back. circle back. All right. Who else can we thank Dave.

We can thank Marco Arment for a $500 donation that he does every month with. Yeah, bolo. Sakala 20 is Blaze only Impala. Thank you, Marco. Thank you. Yes, thank you very much. The search endpoint for the Apple mimic API is is finished in a shot of an email about the other day because that's part of that fallback mechanism he had in place. Now he's got it, we've got look up. We've got the

iTunes ID lookup. And we also have the search endpoints. So those things are for people like Marco, who rely heavily on who rely exclusively on the Apple API, the iTunes look up API. If you want to what you can do without having to change any of your code, you don't have to switch over to use the podcast index as your as your API back end, what you can do is if you can remain using Apple, and then you can put us as a fallback, and you can just basically, if Apple's API goes down, all you

do is change the host name of the URL, query. Everything else stays the same. And you start getting traffic again. And then as soon as Apple comes back, online, flip switch, you're back. You're back on Apple. So that's what that's intended for. And so now we I think we I think we have most of the coverage that everybody would need. How much is Apple going to donate for us having their back here? Let's see. Oh, I added it up this morning. It's zero. Of all the things they could support.

We've got Jennifer never it. I'm gonna say never read instead of never read to Jennifer. If that's wrong, please let me know. Jennifer never it says she sent us $17. Again, this was she sent us money last week. Jennifer appreciate that. And she says a certain value to y'all. To show my appreciation is oddly satisfying. Why $17 For the 17 years of joy being a podcaster has brought me Wow. Again for the thanks again for the breath for the breathing new life into podcasting. I'm as

excited today as I was back in 2005. When I heard my very first episode of The Daily source code. Keep on keeping on. Gee, oh, gee, Jennifer Nice. Wow. Um, thank you. That's really appreciated. That's very nice. That's our pay pals for the week. She's been with us a long time Dave. She has Jennifer good old Janice remember it? Just like it was yesterday. Like yesterday. The very first podcast? Yes. Okay,

Auburn Citadel on the boost front. I don't know what's going on but Auburn Citadel sent us seriously like 1,008,333 said boosts Oh, did he have a stuck? boost button? I don't I don't know. Oh, I don't know, but like, okay, but certainly not a million. How many if you counted them? All right. 1-234-567-8910 1112 1314 1516 1718 1920 2122 23 What 2930 3130 330-738-3940 goes 4041 42 4340 440-548-4950 So these are all 8333 says 50 5050 That's 50 So far, so there's another 1-234-567-8910 1112 13

Let me get another teen. Yeah, so 6315 1617 1819 2021 2223 So 63 No. 73 He sent a 73 boost of 8333 That's 584,000 Satoshis Oh Sakala 20 is Blaze only Impala I'd say. It looks suspiciously like $100 donation is what I'd say that is perhaps even t shirt worthy. I think that he may have been trying to sneak this sneak this pad this may be Satoshi laundering. He may be sneaking this past his wife. We got to KYC Yes, sneaking. Sneaking a pass. Oh, honey, I

just tripped on the boost button. Don't worry. It's only 8000 SATs. Oh, no. No, my fat finger. I did it again. Yes, it's fine. Which app which app was it? Till man? Link it back in look, it was fountain. Okay. All right. Well, I think you know, because Felton doesn't doesn't do like hold down and it does mega boosts so I'm thinking oh, I know what this is. He said his is per minute. Oh goodness.

28333 Because this Yeah, cuz I'm looking at the timestamp minute 30 I mean, our 30 minutes our live we basically drained drained his wallet after 63 minutes. Oh, no. Well, maybe Okay. Didn't know that on accident? No, we'll be happy to send it back. If that was if that was a an unfortunate user error. But if not, thank you very much. We appreciate it. But we're happy to send it back. The cat fell asleep on the key. Anything's possible. Yeah, no, no, you need to trigger garden these things. Yep.

Gene Everett gene, also known as gene from our mock 33 333. And he says boost Yo yo, thank you very much, Jean. Appreciate it. Mike No, Mike Newman. Hey, Mike. longtown se SATs 5047 through curio caster. Thank you, Mike. Mike again. 1658. Thank you, Mike. Nice note. No, neither one of those though. Oh, the tone record since 2052. With no note. Thank you, Tom. America. 1000 SATs for PTC. BTC June. And the messages that's love bros. Let's

go. He's the OG he's a leader in this space. He's a leader in the space in the Magic Quadrant. Yeah. Merlin. Merlin sin is three 535 40 SATs no note 80,000 SATs from Gene been to cast ematic. And he says here's a little something to help offset the Pay Pal debacle. Thanks for what y'all do. Oh, thank you. Thank you. That's really nice. Appreciate that. Boost. Oh, Roy scheinfeld. Look who showed up. Oh. Four 321. There you go. And he says, I need to share with you all the story behind

the boost confetti. Oh, okay. I would love to hear the story. Oh, Tina. He didn't write it. He just said I need to share the story. He said I need to share the no, there's no there's no. He says I need to share it. Well, we need to have Roy on again soon because he's been updating their podcasting app and breeze as well. Thanks. Yeah, we also it would also be good to have him on to catch up with some of the stuff that's been going on the Lightning Network stuff in general. Yeah. Yeah.

Tomorrow and all this stuff in the green light. Okay, yeah. Oh, Colorado. DS laughs 333 says boost equals love. Oh, it certainly does. Hold on. I have a boosting loving I should have one loose all this kind of Sir. Bucha very sappy, sappy de Bozak since 3333, no note thank you to Bozak 8334 from mere mortals podcast, everybody chyron through the fountain app and he says 1300 or 1400 calories a day. Somebody gets this man's beef So that is yes, indeed. How's the beef doing? Are you feeling good?

Oh yeah, I'm doing I'm doing a lot better I'm in than working out and I'm feeling I can tell I can really feel the benefit of having high quality protein. Like, in a way that it's, I can't really describe it. It's just like, I don't. I can feel that my muscles are getting the things that they need this I don't have the fatigue is a lot better, actually. And you feel more caveman ish. Yes, right. Am I right? And yeah, and just just keep eating that man.

And we just got some raw milk. Actually, the meat mafia guys brought a like a two versus a three gallon jug of raw milk. Goat milk or cow milk cow mill. Oh, man. That's all WestEd grass. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And it's, it's from LaGrange, Texas. It was almost like a milkshake. Oh, well. So is it the kind whether it is the non non homogenized where the cream floats to the top and you gotta shake it straight from the cow.

Oh, love it straight from that. Yeah. Yeah. They used to we used to buy raw milk up in Woodinville, which is about 45 minutes north of here. We used to live up there. And we would buy raw goat's milk. And on these pastured goats, it was delicious. But they like to get around the raw milk rules. The very late called Yeah, secret handshake. Everything they had it labeled that a sticker on everyone that

said, not for human consumption. Oh, of course. Yes. Exactly. God no, no, I'm buying this for my doll for the dog. Exactly. For the chickens. The chickens? Yes. Cast VLAN 3690 Because it's just a boost. Thanks for fixing the world. We love just the boost anytime but mere mortals podcast 12 3453 from chyron. He says as much as

I love Bitcoin and all the amazing work on the tags. The idea that stuck in my head and made me have some sleepless nights was V for V. The exact reason I decided to create a whole show around it. That's right. That's right, we get value for value podcast. And we we love that show. Gene been with some late 1337 sets their cast dramatic and he's got more coffee. Sorry. Me coffee.com Does subscriptions and is backed by stripe, assuming I understand things correctly.

Yes. So I had my meeting with the ibex team. Yeah, love these guys. So right away, they set me up, you know, so now I have a right now, I just had the basic system so I can generate a QR code on chain or lightning it when it's paid, it goes straight through and goes into the bank account. So that part works beautifully. Now they are adding the the guess there's a whole nother piece to it that they have that they now connect to it where you get the gist encode the just write the URL like you

would a Pay Pal link. So that that's gonna work and, and lightning address. So you know, yeah. And, well, the wood well known thing, the dot well known thing, and they totally like keys and totally, they're gonna do it all. There now of course all jacked up. Like why should we be providing stats? I said, I don't know, man. He's what I'll be doing. You know, here's what heli pad does maybe accomplish some great idea. I don't know. But it's it's pretty decent. It really is the but the team is

great. There's just a doozy ASIC to build this. Here's what they should do. Should I don't like that word? I should take that. I should take that word away. Yes, yes, yes. Okay, here's what they could do. They could make a general purpose API, where you as the podcaster can authorize other third parties to give you stats, so that you can get Oh, sure. Yeah. I'll be great. Yeah, great. Well, I'll recommend that to them. I mean, for me, I'm sorry,

the reason why we're discussing it was the subscription part. So they they already have a product in the works, and they will present to me when they're ready. But I think no agenda may be able to receive on chain and lightning in the next week or two. That fast Wow. Well, they're only technically it's, it's working. It's, you know, just need the

URLs to encode. And, you know, for for no agendas purposes, getting the keys and working which I mean they are they they pretty much have all the pieces, so they're good So let me let me make sure I understand they, they are going to have a key send a Kison enabled wallet there. And they're going to, they're on their platform and they are going to settle it into US Dollars immediately.

So you can set a slider, you can say I want, you know, like 10% Fiat fun coupons and 90% keep it in Bitcoin or you can slide it any way you want. And so that, of course, it's very inefficient to do direct for small deposits through the A was an ACH, the Clearinghouse, yes. So they'll do that once every night, they aggregate all the payments of the day, and then put and then send them over.

And they're gonna give you a separate metadata file that has all of like a booster gram donations and stuff. Well, again, it's not it's not going to work with KY sand off the bat. But when they get that part when they get to that, yes, I believe, I believe so. And if I look at the if I look at their interface now give me a second I can tell you here's what I get from them now cuz I did get the Excel sheet it was because I'm like, You got to have an Excel export or I can't

live on a second managers accounts. Right now I just need to do this two days earlier. Okay, let me see. CSV. Let me just see transactions. Let me tell you the fields that it has now, which was very encouraging. I recall here we go. dispersed date, date created date, settled account, information, account name, total. millesime, that's total amount, currency currency

conversion. Oh, even put the fees in there. And then they have invoice fields, memo, field, Name field, all the stuff you want for, you know, to be filled up with either donation node or a booster gram. So yeah, that point will take a little bit, but once we get this part going, then at least we can we can have it you know? Yes. So that is if somebody wants to be donate, I think it's

was like 250 or above us dollars for executive producer. Yeah. 200 on the budget, and then you would have like, they could don't, they could send they could ki send you through a podcast app, one, one and a half mu or they can just 1,000,005 SATs or they can just go to the donation page and just scan the QR code. Right but either one word that the goal would be either one would work Correct? Correct. Sweet. Okay. That's really fun. It's really neat.

I'm super excited because it'll open up a lot of a lot of opportunities for people who really just don't want to deal with it maybe at least not right off the bat I mean, that's what I liked about the slider was keep 20% in Bitcoin 3333 sets for mix through fountain no note and will thank you mix 1000 SATs for Mitch and he said pod version he says go podcasting. Yeah, thank you very much.

Make that 2000 Not 1000 submissions. He sent us a double slewed send us 12345 through fountain he says, Can I get a recording of day saying what is this? Adam saying? Hey baby, it's get it gets better love you mean. Go ahead. Do you do your Give me your lie? Oh, you're supposed to say yeah. Hey, okay. What is this? Hey, baby. Don't worry. It gets better. All right. Pretty sick, dude. How many SATs was that? 12345. That's kind of underpaid.

underpaid. Yes, that was high quality content. Scott Sikora since 25,000 SATs through found in any size this boost is to help Dave get to Pittsburgh to get Lipson to enable podcast 2.0 features if I'm not if I'm not I'm going to be moving over to hang out with Todd pew pew go beef casting booth that happened all at once. Let's see. Oh 1010 SAS from tester and he says test test testicles. Okay, okay, thanks. How you doing booster. See, get some anonymous boosts. Lots of

those. Thank you. Anonymous 500 says appreciate it of tone record back with 2052 Thank you tone record of get Brian of London in the hive Dao 52,842 sets Yeah. much Brian. And Brian says hi ho Hi ho. It's off to court. I go one day I'll be able to give a proper update on our Australian legal adventures. He's like a never ending nondisclosure agreement this guy that's how we met he laid out this whole story this you know he's gonna win $10 billion and he's all gonna give it make us a millionaire

just as all we need. All we need is a $5 million donation Brian and we've got 10 billion which need a $5 million dollar donation to the podcast index are good and and the yacht

okay, I don't want to get too greedy. Okay, 4 million and EI for me in any Lyceum, also known as Martin lindskog, sinister Liberty boost 1776 And he says it is interesting to see how players like striking Cash App or making it easier for regular users to buy and E wallets instant Satoshis talking to content creators as an American in spirit and rooting for European developers eg Albion fountain, so they could find

ways for users outside the North American market. Do you think Stripe will get into new markets come up with new features after the Pay Pal story? I think maybe you mean strike to give me an strike to Yeah, I don't know. Maybe? Yeah. I mean, it's I don't know what they're doing. I don't know. Nobody knows anything. Really. No one really knows anything. Other than that there's there's some gambling going on somewhere.

The tone wrecker send us 3333 through Fontanini says. Now testing previous record archive uploads from Bandcamp undertone record tracks and 2.0 RSS realm. Chapters for each track with beside record artwork is great so far. Did I see a brief curio cast music entry by Dave noting SoundCloud hook as a test last week? Did you think you I didn't I do have a SoundCloud test

feed? Yes, you did see that. That's interesting because someone else was asking let me see what do we have in the music tab isn't what's new. I don't know what you mean. Don't record out if you're on the mastodon to like tell me what you mean. Let's find out what's going on. Yeah, what do you do and I want to I want to know what you're

doing. Lyceum sent us a 2112 Rush boost he says it's great to read an article on podcasting 2.0 in the biggest tabloid in Sweden, it's the Aftonbladet yes that we got a man this there's a lot of music starting to pop up here. Sorry to interrupt just looking at the curio caster music tab. And it's October 17 18th there's new stuff coming up anyway. Let me see what that is. Stereo stereo on music stereo on music good scenario P pieces all right. Well, that's what a stereo on where does that

hosted? Let me see. That's on SoundCloud. Okay, yeah. Okay, so that's cool. How did they get anything good in there though? Let me look at SoundCloud RSS feed so yeah, I'm telling you that people are starting to figure out they can use their RSS feed and and run it through podcast or wallet or fountain I wonder if I did get an inside job man. Fake news. There's two in here well okay, well that's ours is blue. Okay, that's coming from our says blue I got you okay, that's Adobe

does. Oh. All right. All right. Mystery soft. Where was that? Oh, yes. Agree. Yeah, get on the get on there and tell us what you're doing. I want to know 2222 From Lyceum again, he says,

Oh, wait, you're we already read that. And that means that we're left with the delimiter Comstor blogger 50 No. 33 sets through fountain and he says, How do you Adam and Dave, your audience is invited to listen to AI dot cooking podcast about artificial intelligence narrated by silky voice of Gregory William Forsythe Foreman from Kent UK. Just enter AI cooking in your web browser or in your podcast player app. Yo,

yo. Just one quickie since he's listening live our our ginger fair haired Brit Sam Sethi is always listening. Is he in the chat room? I don't know if he's in the chat room percent 1947 booths So now we know the 1948 is Sir Brian of London with his Israeli independence Do you know what 1947 Represent? I'm going to guess that that is the year of independence of the of India from the British Empire.

Correct. You are sir dough. India independence boosts love the idea of pod ping to update any change in RSS and can't wait for Spurlock show as podcast events is super exciting, ready to implement? Nice. Were you ready to implement what I say? There you go. We got we got another week. Another one in the box. They're ready to go. monthlies. Okay, Tim Hudgins my buddy $25. David would find $3 Paul, Paul Erskine $11.14, Michael Goggin, $5 and Charles current, very $5. Thank

you all so much. And that will keep us going for for another week. Please consider us. When you're thinking about the value you'd like to return to the project. It's the only way it'll it'll keep working. And so far, two years. We're still we're still they're still doing it. We're not dead. We're not done yet. Podcasts index.org for your for your pay pal Fiat fun coupons and any podcast app that does value for value at new podcast apps.com. We may be old and creaky or not. Did

you have anything on your list? I'm just trying to look at the back. Do you have to go back to the office today? I do. But I've got a little bit of time. I don't know if you get anything. But let me see. I thought that was kind of the oral history of gimlet slow demise. I don't know if you saw that. Oh, here's some snack. Oh, my God, I didn't read the whole thing. It's, I can just imagine what it says though.

Yeah, it's pretty interesting. I mean, it was weird, because there's, there's these two threads that kind of intersected and I wasn't quite sure what to do with it. Because one is, you know, obviously, we're laughing at this $244,000 to create a podcast. And that was like this big conversation and somehow because of our comments about an edit and the way an interview was edited on pod land. That kind of got conflated. Somehow.

I'm not really Yeah, it was really odd. And then on pod land, they did a they did an interview with what's the guy's name? Neil. He's a he's apparently the best editor best audio editor in the world. I haven't listened to that. Yesterday's yet. I haven't. Yeah. So had made that for him. So then James did an edit of the interview which Sam conducted? In, I guess, what's that tool called? With the I'll use? The script D script. Yeah. And, and then after that, the same

interview edited by Neil himself. And I mean, it was that's at first, that's really hard to do. And I don't think that made no sense to me, because I just heard the interview. And it was, it was actually it was nice. It was good to listen to I, I went through all the, you know, got off track, it's back on track. And then Neil did it the way he felt it should be done. And I felt like I was running behind the story I couldn't quite catch up. It's like, hold on, moving

too fast for me. But the whole thing was kind of odd about. I mean, I just put it this way. If you find yourself editing out

your arms and your eyes, you just find a different hobby. The whole point is when you do this, and I have all kinds of arms and ahhs and stop words and think phrases, and it's either you gotta you gotta catch yourself that you need to learn to be better, because in all these conversations about production and executive producers and editors and mixers and recorders, I did hear many people talking about the talent on the show. And our even wasn't even discussed as a number that

you had to hire the talent. When I think the whole point is podcasts and gives people with different talents and opportunity to communicate. And I don't know if you need to cut them all up and make it I mean, in fact, as Neil said, the way you edit should be about what you the podcaster want to portray. And that's my point. Exactly. That's what you want. So I don't want to do an interview where it's going to be

cut up to portray what you want to portray. I want people to hear what I have to say and Joe Rogan, I know no one over there listens because you know he's evil. But you should listen to Joe Rogan because he is a very skilled conversationalist. And it's I think everyone should be able to learn how To speak better at divorce, Nick and I, we that's one of the main features of the show, he'll say you're smacking your lips. Or I'll say you're saying the fact of the matter too much, and we

catch each other and we stop that stuff. And we make ourselves better in the process. I don't, it's one thing to and again, you don't necessarily need to shorten time on a podcast, but okay, you have a budget of time that you want a lot. I personally feel that you should have done a shorter interview. That's, but that's me personally. And so I find editing a conversation. And it's not about context. It's about rhythm and breath. And I hear it all the time. Like, no, the

person didn't breathe in between those two sentences. It's not comfortable to listen to say, I don't want to dwell on it too much. But I was surprised what a big deal they made out of essence, editing is it's inherently I mean, we don't edit the show. And I'll make a little snip there to tighten up the spot when you went to let the dog out. And that's it. And everything else. Is that kind of the beauty of it? Don't we already have the perfect NPR the perfect, mainstream media that

doesn't fuck up and doesn't say the wrong things? Don't we already have that? Is it more fun to listen to authenticity? I have found myself speaking more slowly, lately. And it's directly in response to going back and listening to our episodes. Sure. And hearing how, when my mind goes really fast, and I try when my mouth tries to match the speed of thought that my head is going at my words, get all fumbled up, and I end up doing the arms and ahhs and I restart my sentences multiple

times and these kinds of things. So I've been hearing myself do this. And I've been trying to consciously, like, slow down the rhythm of my talk, so that I can so that my mouth doesn't outpace my mind. And you get that from listening to yourself and improve it. Yeah. Yeah. And it's really, it's really helpful because I want I've got these ideas, and I want to say them, but also want to say them in a specific way. Because just you have to, you've

got the idea. And then you've got the way that it comes out and gets presented. Yeah, they're both important. Like, really, almost the presentation is almost more important than the ideas so because that's really where it becomes a reality. So yeah, and this Yeah, and this is what the podcast Industrial Complex has become a bunch of creatives, who executive producers who come up with a show idea, they pitch it to the person with the money,

then they go assemble the team and get a host. Yeah, that's Hollywood. And by the way, gimlet and all these people, you play Hollywood, you get treated like Hollywood. I've been fired overnight, clear out your desk. No, you can't take your edit with you. Goodbye. Let's Hollywood. Ladies, we bought your show. We don't like you. You're too expensive. You're a pain in the ass. You want to give too many demands. We got new people for the show. You got no rights. We

bought that from you. That's Hollywood. That's it's such a it's a trap of ask so many people fail. It's not even just Hollywood. It's the broader media. Like, it's just it's New York. It's all the you know, look how many people bounce from like new station to new station, you got people going from one, you know, Fox to CNN and back and forth, and all these kinds of places like that. You just get bought and sold all the time. I mean, you just, you

know, meet some of those guys make lots of money. But I mean, you you're not you're not above being fired at all. No, no, absolutely. It's just it's so it's misguided. That's all it's just, there was a lot of money floating around. And now it's tightening up as I predicted. And it's just, it's only gonna get worse than the people who have figured out how to put a podcast together themselves. Maybe with one other person like you and I are doing that you're gonna make it

because you have to keep those costs low. You have to, and I'm broken record one of the last times I'll do this, because we never had the gear for podcasters and we're just now finally getting the gear that you can record something with your sound straight in. You know, like talented people, you know, who have a conversation. It's funny enough to edit the

fun into it. That's the problem is we created this. This generation of Phil Spector, a wall of sound podcast editors, which is well just give me anything give me some stock music. Give me some person reading a script. I'll make a great podcast, but it's kind of manufactured. A lot of it. Oh, straight up. I mean, like, I could think of If you want to do like me some people really like a true crime type investigative journalist one with a mic. Yeah. You know, yeah. And that's fine.

And that's fine. But you know, the thing about that, though, is, I really think that there is something special about a couple of people talking about a topic and hashing it out even so even those shows, even things like a true crime or an investigative thing, you get to you can have one person leading the charge and saying, Okay, I get it. Here's what I'm trying to say you could I can imagine sitting down to do a podcast, you have the script there, you have the thing that you want to say. But

then it's also collaborative. And so you're going through it, you can do that you can do that in one take. You can, you don't have to edit the bejesus out of that right? No, this is this is the travesty is people are so used to having everything the processing every wouldn't you just want to hear while you're speaking. What it's going to sound like on the other end right away. I do. I do. I love that. Anyway, yeah. So I backslash. I have no idea why I got on that rant. Other than I

truly, honestly prefer not hearing edited pieces. You know, and it's not so much like, okay, when I went off on a tangent, and he talked about ice bears for 10 minutes. Yeah, of course, you can make an edit there. But editing out arms and eyes and saying, Well, yeah, I mean, I heard entire pieces were not edited linearly linearly. The way Neil did it, he brought stuff forward and backward, like, Okay, you're doing a puzzle like this. You built the story. But it wasn't the story, as it was told.

That that comes out. We see that in like news media all the time you chip. keep chopping this and moving it around over here. And he's like, Well, now I'm not seeing that's that's almost like a, like a deep fake. When you when you rearrange the pieces like that. It's still the part it's the person, but it's not actually what they said. Because sometimes, like if you have an interview, and you go through, let's just say you go through

seven topics in an in a in 30 minutes. Well, if you take a response from topic six, in move it in front of topic two, or topic two, and the thing that I discussed there may have influenced what I thought about topic six. So now you're you've got it at an order. And it doesn't make any sense. And I may end if we had done it out of order I may have I may have responded a different way. Like yeah,

yes. And then just as the final point on this. So we have podcast creators, chopping up people and removing ohms and ahhs so that podcast listeners can then subsequently play it at 5x speed with volume boost and everything. We're gonna run into problems one day is going to be too much crap on both sides of the equation. The gap Zapper, I'm telling you the gap zapper is I don't dirty to me, it's just like it's a radio hangover. It's like yeah, keep it tight. Yeah. What do you gotta do? You

gotta hit the top of the hour. You gotta hit the news. No, no. Till you try this, if your guest is getting boring. Instead of editing out the boring parts, say, excuse me, that's kind of boring. Let's continue with this. Which is exactly what you do to me. You're like, Nah, I'm bored. Let's do some downtime. I do it more subtle than that. I hope you've done that a couple of times. But it's also the it's also the art of making programming your and I also I'm reading the vibe of the chat room.

Yeah, you're saying you're saying is boring. And that makes everybody laugh and that leads right into something that's not boring. Now you know all my secrets. Well, that's your only secret. Only when you hit the only one I have right there. That's all I got to happen. Where does that come out? What what come out? No, your bombshell did bombshell. That was me. Oh, that was good. I was like, Did I hit a button or something? Three that was a

good one. Very, very good. Didn't have the bush. So thanks again everybody for for supporting the show and supporting the 2.0 project. The hands down the best, best group of people I've ever worked with in my life. So exciting every single day just to you know when there's not a lot of posts on like a Wednesday, on on the social. Online I'm always bummed. I'm like, where's everybody? No one's out here today and no one wants to play In the sandbox,

we've got to go over remote remote items. So next week is remote item Awareness Week. Okay, on the show now remote item is where you can include something in an item from a remote feed. Is that correct? Yes. And this goes into a larger discussion of the podcast Gu ID tag, which applies to many things. I think it's a next next next week for sure. Because I have a whole thing written out

here that we didn't even get to about the good. So next week, we need to do podcasts in bulk, by the way, but we're not having any guests lately. For a few weeks. We just need to cleanse the palate because we're really not a guest show. I mean, we do it because we need too many people to today have their products out. Just just say, Hey, man, look, I'm really busy. You know, this podcast is a pain in the ass. I gotta fix the API. We've got no time for guests. Okay, we got no time.

For guests. Yes, it is boring. If I ever really said that was boring to you. They ever said that we use the Show said that. You said that on the show once did you take offense to it? No. Okay. No. Did you think that? Hey, maybe he's right. I'm just boring. Yes, yeah, that's when DeVore Act does that shit to me. Because he does it all the time. I'll come I'll roll out his whole spectacular sequence of clips. And he's like, yeah, it was a little long was a little boring.

Ya know, sometimes when I go on and on about some kind of intricacies of some, like, you know, I don't know, protocol or something like that. I bore myself. And you're like, This is boring. I'm like, Yeah, you know, it kind of is Thanks. Let's see where I need help. So I'll help you with the boring where I need help. Okay, there's that I get off. I start on a topic. And then I go off into Swaziland, and I don't remember what the original topic was. And then I'm swimming. And now I'm

just spouting anecdotes. And I'm like, Well, let me tell you about the time I interviewed Whitesnake, you get it when you gotta bring me back. This is where I go really wrong. And I also interrupt way too much. I've very bad throw you throw Yutani contain and in the life preserver and we've been really back in now. That'd be funny if she wasn't dead. Dave. She goes, she was dead. Yeah, sorry. That was passed. Sorry. That was creepy. No, it's it was alcohol. Unfortunately, that did redo.

Yeah. It was weird. It was one time. Funny story. Maybe you remember that show Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew? Vaguely. So you know who Dr. Drew is right. Yeah, the famous highly qualified doctor. So we had a reality show, which was his because he has a clinic, a detox clinic. And so the people come in and the reality show around it. And it was always it was celebrity detox. And on one show, there were three people on one show that I knew was free. It was like Danny Bonaduce, it was Steven Adler

from Guns and Roses. And it was and it was tiny. But it's not I mean, it's probably not the music industry is probably more aptly named the music and rehabilitation industry right. I can't wait for the first podcasters to be strung out on smack you know, just wait wait to successful driving around in the in the in the in the in the Bentley. We need to we need to send out good karma and love to CVV Yeah,

yeah. Hope he's feeling Yes. Part of my greatest hits album is what a guest Chapter Three of the greatest hits album this gastroenterological humor. And like when one time I was having like a headless in in a stool sample to the gastroenterologist, and it took like, it took like, days and days for him to get back. And I was like, You know what? I was getting kind of worried. Of course, yeah, maybe this means sometimes I call. I called him up and she in the lady was like,

Well, you know, we still don't have the results. You know, I'll call him and I said, you don't really need you guys to speed this shit up. Which I thought was genius. I tend to get upset. Joke. She didn't get the joke. I'm like, oh my Hey. I'll be here all week. Oh, all right, brother. Have yourself a great weekend. And what are we doing guaranteed next week? We're guarantee we're doing it Awareness Week. All right, everybody. If you're in the chat room, streaming and

boosting us live, we appreciate it. We'll be back next Friday for the board meeting of podcasting 2.0 If you have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast index.org For more information, boost boost boost boost