Oh, podcasting 2.0 for October 14 2022, episode 106 steak and eggs Hello everybody, welcome once again to the official board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 It's the podcast, podcasting 2.0 We discussed everything going on with the future and the now of podcasting. As right what's happening with the podcast namespace Who's In Who's in even deeper? And of course everything happening at NOVA at Fun cast index dot social. I do too many
podcasts. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the man who deals with taxes twice a year. Say hello to my friend on the other end ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Game Jones. Yes, what was sitting on my door? Step or stoop or whatever you wanna call it when I got home to for podcast lunch today? Another chicken No, no. Opposite of chicken. Yeah, a Oh, Your. Your your beef up from your big box. Beef box. Where do
you get it from? Yeah, from KNC cattle. Oh, man. All right. Yeah, the OG I get the OG beef box. Yeah. Did 2020 pounds of ground beef. Nigel went down. Rapid rapid. Very well. Like well packaged, taped up, you know, dry eyes the whole the whole thing? I'm I was stoked. Yes. Very happy. You know, Christina have been eating KNC cattle grass raised in beef for? Oh, I don't know. At least half a year now. Maybe a little bit longer. And in the last two evenings because in
Yeah, she's been doing this program. So we've been eating a lot of beef for breakfast for lunch for dinner, just beef beef V which believe me is not a hardship. And they were so twice we've been to a restaurant good restaurants here in Fredericksburg. And anyway, like, this beef sucks. Really, our beef is sick. You really like hamburgers? Are you kidding me? You'll notice the difference. You won't be able to eat a burger anywhere else. Or you'll be like, Hey, let me just
bring my own beef here. Why don't you want to cook mine up? It is a snub nose, right? Beef snob, big time. I'm looking forward to enough. I've spoken about health issues with me in the past to hear on the on the show. And like the one I've tried every dietary thing, all this kind of stuff ever. But like really, you know, sent this to you. This is the erectile dysfunction you're talking about.
Well dried into the you know, sort of like, I sent you this, these clips of a couple of weeks ago about from the Peter Thiel podcast where he interviewed this guy about protein, right. And I never realized, you know how low protein my diet is. Now I'm bad to not, I'm bad to not eat enough, just period, my calorie intake on a daily basis, if I don't, if I'm not deliberate about it, and watch myself, you know, I'll look back over a couple of week period of time, and I'll have eaten like,
you know, 13 1400 calories a day. So that's, that's just simply not enough. And so that's that's one issue. And then, but then I started looking at what I've been eating for the last few years. There it is. And I'm like, you know, I'm probably really deficient in basic amino acids and protein. And then I'm like, Okay, I gotta, I gotta work on this. And so I've been doing like, until I get the beef box, the beef box really going to be the core of my my dietary experiment here. But then it
started also doing like a pure whey protein isolate. Shake. Once once a day, you know the, that gives you like a good cross section of amino acids that are not synthetic baloney. And then, and I can tell you, man, it's it's hard. It made a big difference in the way I feel. I really think I was severely deficient in protein.
Oh man, wait until you start hammering this beef. I mean, the beef I've heard such stories of miraculous recovery people who have had issues for 20 years IBS diabetes in two weeks, two weeks of pure beef real good beef done no more symptoms, no more problems. So my question though, is is from a from a now seasoned beef expert, such as yourself and yes, yes. The petty or be snobs. Yes. How do you do? What is what is the proper way to do a beef based breakfast?
Well, funny enough, she usually makes hamburgers. And then the night the night before he just grab a hamburger. You know, pop it in the microwave, heat it up and just eat it like that. Also. It's hard to get but really well sourced. bacon. I mean, you can eat 10 pieces of of cooked bacon in the morning and be done until past lunch. Yeah, that's really incredible. You know one thing about bacon, that pit so beef, this turned into the protein podcast that beef, it ruminant animals to create their
saturated fat, their their their fat in them is saturated. It's almost all saturated. Because they they do not consume fat, they consume grass. So they don't eat because they don't eat dietary fat. Their body creates all their fat through lapping 1000s they actually create a more than goes in. I played those clips on the no agenda that were so good. No, but this is not about the protein. This is about fat. Okay, this is about the fat. Yeah, so the fat is saturated,
which is which is good. So then you but with pigs with pork, a lot of people don't know and I didn't know this either. Until recently that most pork is not saturated. It's mostly it's very high in polyunsaturated fat, because you think meat equals saturated fat, but it's really not that way. It's most important since they're fed with like slop, which is you know, just leftovers that's going to be dominated by like soybean oil and things.
The problem you can have a kind of pigs fed people are complaining in the chat room like what is this the protein 2.0 podcast? Yeah, yes. Yeah. Fair point. Is there podcast stuff going on? I'm not aware of this was a very interesting week for the value for value portion of podcasting 2.0 in multiple ways, with the PayPal acceptable use policy debacle? We were we were slightly victimized by that as well on this very show. Yeah, no agenda which which I think we'll be able to show how
this impacts things. No agenda has always solicited almost every single kind of of payment, you know, checks cash, gold coins, Zell pop money, you name it. And briefly Bitcoin for like, never Neverland, no, never, ever really know, people just sending I know what they do. And, but the majority is through PayPal.
So what happened is there was an interpretation by people, listeners, just regular old users, that not only could it be a podcast host just to keep it in podcast, and could be for all kinds of different content, but I think it's geared towards podcasting. But also, if you donate it to a podcast, and therefore was financing, misinformation, or disinformation, as determined by the powers that be, you could get dinged for two and a half 1000. So people had a very knee
jerk. And the honestly from from, from my standpoint is a very valid response, which was Screw you. And then they so they quit their account. But when you quit your account, you know that $50 a month you were sending us also quit. So that was about 250 300. accounts that closed, that hurts. That hurts. Yeah, it hurts. So there is not that there was not nearly like that with us. But there were still there were three that quit on us and
strike. I mean, it's not a large dollar amount, it would ended up being $25 a month total. So it's like a 10, a 10 and a five. But I mean, with our you know, our budgets are small. And so we don't that that is a that is a notable thing right now, now there's a silver lining to this. Now, first of all, DeVore and I have had ongoing this this conversation for several years. But also, you know, if you use PayPal, then again, this is the this is our weakest link this
and I'll be honest about it's very, very weak. And part of the reason why this podcasting 2.0 value for value system was developed was for just this very case. The you can't if you use PayPal, by the agreement, you can't say anything negative about PayPal. So really the Oh yeah. And that's most services. But you know, when when you know that it's a paper payment processor that's already a little volatile and doing and doing weird shit, then you're like, Okay, well, let's not talk
about it for a minute. Because that would give them a very valid reason to close us down. Now we've had nothing but good experiences. We have an account manager who was in call. All that's been great. I don't like any of the stuff they're doing either. But I also like being able to help my family and pay the mortgage. Yes, so the silver lining is John has agreed that as long as we can have instant processing, or settlement of the of any payments into US dollars, that we can now start accepting
bitcoin on no agenda. And this made me very happy in a sad moment, because this means that, and I'll tell you who I'm working with, and what we're doing in the moment, this means that once I just have the regular, you know, like an on chain and a lightning invoice type payment setup, then we can add Kison, then we can add booster grams, and we can talk about it on the show. And that will and that as you can see from my op, three stats might be meaningful.
So you so it may be worth it. So John, John's, John's concern about Bitcoin is really purely like a, just that is a is a financial instrument within the united states within the United States illegally. He's just concerned, but he's been concerned about that aspect of things, like not muddying the water with IRS shenanigans and things like that. Is that Is that fair to say? That is exactly the reason why we had an audit early on. Not
well, not early on, but when it went when an audit mattered. And the IRS was very confused about a business model, you know, all they saw was big amounts of cash and just hundreds of checks. And like, what, what kind of business are you running here? You know, import export or something? So, yeah, so we set it all up. And you know, and it's a good system is like, you don't want to rock the boat, because, you know, I've been through so many IRS things that really sucks.
And you're a small business. That is always not like, you're always going to be the one that gets the hammer, the short end of the stick when it comes to anything like that. Yeah, I mean, it's the it's the entire business right there. So we've, we've been very well we have an agreement, you know, we each have a an equally valid veto. If we don't both agree, then it's a veto, we can try and convince each other we can yell whatever, it doesn't matter. Veto was veto. And that's been
his veto, and I you know, I respect that. But I keep trying. And I think there's another aspect to it, he's really angry at the Bitcoin for not seeing its value and Pooh, poohing it and never getting on board and he thinks it's too late, and he can never jump on the train. And it doesn't matter what I say, he won't do that. But this was also a special moment of weakness. You know, now all of a sudden, it's like, oh, shit, you know,
this could go south. And, and it already is. So, you know, here's a way to circumvent that whole problem. We're just, it's just like any other payment processor, we're getting dollars in our account. And we get an accounting, we, you know, we get a note we get a user name or an email address and, and the payment, and that's it. And so and he's like, Okay, let's do that. So I'm really excited and so actually a slim Texas limb hooked me up with ibex, I think it is ibex, IB, E X.
Two it is let me just check. And they do the whole system for the beef initiative. And so I talked to their representative. They're very very active, which I like a lot. I like when they like call me like, actually the Annalise the woman. ibex, yeah. The woman who's the account representative she was at at the Oh, the Holy
Holy Cow ranch. staying for a few days with is it Walden and and I think by so the you know, they're ranchers like Kane See, she's there to learn the business so that they can do even more for them with their with their financial products. Yeah, she's embedding old school. Exactly embedding years.
I think they're from El Salvador they have an office in Miami, but it looks like one of these outfits that maybe started in El Salvador so I said look when the banker in the back in the days when the banker used to come out to your business and look around to get an idea of what you're doing you know, so they know if you really need a good for the loan and what your needs might be wasn't always just good for the
loan. So there's another thing about Pay Pal which I didn't realize was because I said to John, I said, you know we should get stripe or you know, let's get some one of these other things on board. He said, Yeah, just believe me. I've been looking for six months. What do you mean how hard is that there's lots of alternatives and none of them Pay Pal is unique with subscriptions. is unique. Yes, they are a bank. Yep. Just taking the They can do a
withdrawal. Yep. Cuz you set up, you set up that subscriber agreement and you're agreeing to allow them to deduct money automatically from your bank account. And that that is not what stripe is.
Exactly. So. So I, so what I started off with the ibex people is, and we have a meeting, I think Tuesday, call with the whole team, I need basically a Pay Pal drop it, you know, it's term I learned from you with the block tag, like I need to drop it, Pay Pal dropping, so I need to go get my partner ID but he has to be able to make a link, just as with a button, so that he can have that in his newsletter, nothing complicated, just drop in poom, it has to do all the same stuff Pay Pal does,
you know give us the same, you know, four basic fields of reporting, who it's from, you know, their location, if they want to give it email address, you know, whatever that is. So we can identify multiple donations and the message and the payment. And then for extra extra bonus points, can we do a subscription? You said yeah, we're working on a couple things with that. It will work. I mean, obviously, just like with Pay Pal, the subscription payment fails if you don't have enough
coin in the in the can, so to speak. But they say they're working on something like that, I'd have to see how that works. But anyway, I'm really excited about that. Because you know that that'll really open stuff up. You know, when people boost enough that it'll get through to the donation segments, we'll be able to promote booster grams. And it was a great week because this not this was a topic in a lot of places. And a lot of people were tweeting you know, value for value, who everywhere
value for value. This thing has just gotten got a life of its own. And I was listening to pod land, which does Sam Sethi produced that. He produced that thing. I have a feeling he produces it. You when you say produce you mean like it's like oh god, like Yeah, like puts it together and does the editing. He seems to do most of the interviews. I thought I thought James did that. I think he does it. Because he I've heard him talking about doing this stuff in Hindenburg and all that. I may be wrong.
What happens is, yeah, you may be right. I see Sam Sethi on Twitter late his time UK time. Yeah, where's the show? Hey, man, this show is late. The show supposed to come up Thursday. Now I don't get it until Friday. And I was wondering, you know, like, whose is He? Is he up late doing it? Or is it is James getting up early to do it. Anyway, doesn't doesn't matter? Oh, yeah. And one other thing. I can hear the D script editing, I don't like it. people's words off yeah,
editing speech. And this is my problem with AI generated speech as well, in general, you know, those subtle little pauses and sometimes you want to leave a little extra in there, you know, or you want to get a little a breath, you want to leave that you want to get it right at the right moment. And I hear it I just hear so much too tight. And it almost sounds like it's time compressed sometimes. That's just me personally, that's a professional opinion, audio editing opinion.
Some things look to the like, they look to the waveform, like they're in a or an ohm or something like that. And it chops it. Yeah, I like it. You got to have some of those moments. And also you're not a robot robot. Okay, here's So Todd Cochran was on. Okay, and we've already seen we've seen a change in our child recently. Todd has really changed behavior big.
So Todd, he's, this is what I love about him. And so we celebrated 18 years and like 8 million episodes of The of his podcast and and astoundingly, he's since the days of Chris Redlener. I think her name was he still has GoDaddy as a as a sponsor of his geek News Central. It's amazing. Yeah, that's it's a staple. It's, it's really Todd's a phenomenal guy. And when he digs in, he digs in, he digs in. And so he has, you know, I would say, almost like a come to Jesus type of moment,
where he's just like, holy crap, this is the way to go. And he tells a story about how he's been thinking about it all wrong. And he was he was actually listen to our show. And it just hit him like a ton of bricks. And so he's all in and just I wanted to play a quick minute here of what he feels his
role is in two podcasts in 2.0. With blueberry depending on how you want to put it, I have to bring these podcasts 2.0 features to the platform in order to educate the podcasters so that the podcasters then will demand of the app device Well, uppers to please implement this, versus vice versa. I think I have. And I think we work at both ways together with app developers implementing and hosting providers. And you know, don't get me wrong, but sprouts here.
rss.com us, there's a few others that are being very proactive in thinking about podcasting. 2.0. And I think that it's critical for us to think about how we're going to not only serve listeners going forward, but how we're going to help podcasters you know, my part of my company, a mantra right now our theme is
publish, analyze, grow. And the Grow piece is probably 80% of that mantra, how am I going to help podcasters grow because this is what they're asking me every day, I'm gonna want to grow my show and Chroma show. So, I like what Todd is saying, because I know what how Todd is with the educational piece of the business, which is really not quantifiable. You know, they, they have to it's built
into the deal. But I think for all the, all the great work that the hosting companies who have come long before blueberry and implementing this, and really leading the way and getting it to a point where Todd wakes up. I mean, that's really what it was, like boiling and he admits it. So first of all, that's just a beautiful moment. But I think on the education side, you're
gonna see blueberry doing a lot. He understands that he you know, he understands, like, we need to get better, we have to focus not just on the apple on the Spotify, Chiclets everywhere of then, you know, he's, he's a real, he's like OCD for detail on that kind of stuff. And I think he's gonna show everybody else like, here's how you can really push this from the pub from the podcast hosting side to get people interested, find ways to explain things to them. And that's where the second clip
comes in. Which was, this is a beautiful moment between two men, Todd Cochran and Sam Sethi. It's a beautiful moment here. Listen, he's shilling value for value based upon the the PayPal events podcasters got to be able to own their stack. And just like this little thing that PayPal did the other day. Yeah. Pay Pal said it came in an honor and a up said, Hey, if you say something, that's misinformation, we're going to find you $2,500, for instance, and of course, they had massive
pushback. But I talked about on the tech show, I'm thinking, if they had continued that and put that into policy, I rely on Pay Pal for my business. And for my podcast for years, where do I go? What do I use? What do I ship to to protect myself? And I don't know if I even have an answer for that right now. But podcast 2.0 has the potential over time to allow content listeners to make micro donations to the shows that would not be possible for someone who wants to send me two
bucks, it's going to be 50 cents of processing. Exactly. So I'm not a Bitcoin Satoshi investment expert. And I don't claim be by its as a donation model, it works good. If people can just think about it as a token, a token to a podcaster, that value is going to go up and down. But if you don't really think about, you buy the Satoshis and get so many for a value. But in the end, it's going to be a number 10,000 Satoshis. I don't even know what that's worth is that a buck or whatever it may be? If
he has to make a contribution 10,000. To me, that is the numbers 10k, it's not really the dollar amount, ultimately backs out the dollar, and I can cash that money out. But as a host, and I understand this now, but I gotta explain this to a podcaster that doesn't know how to right click a mouse. The same way, if I want to send you 10,000 SATs, I just need your lightning address. I don't need to know about the various
ways that it's going up and down and back and forth. And whatever it's doing raise rates, maybe in six months time, I think we will be there. It's happening fast, but it's maybe a little bit too early still. So it's just one piece. That's just one thing of what three things that are being worked on the lit tag, the the cross app, comments, all that stuff is there's just a whole bunch of
stuff there. So you basically our approach is we're going to you know, in be honest with you, it's simple to implement some of this stuff is just a textfield. The key really is though, is making sure that we have the education, the back end process to make the listener or the podcaster. Understand this is why we're doing this. This is something you can opt into.
Here's the information you can put in and so you know we're all in we really are and I laid the gauntlet down a number of times on the new media show encouraging other platforms to get involved. So I liked it there abstracted Like, I really don't give a crap how this works, just make it work, so I can explain it to the rest of the dummies like me. Yeah. And that's perfect. That's this is such a beautiful moment, this is really, really good. And
I so agree. And, you know, we got our heads way too deep and channels and lightning and core lightning. And so these guys, they just go way above that go, Yeah, I can see how we just do this email address thing. And, you know, it's up to us to make that work everywhere, down under the hood. But, and then obviously, you know, Todd hasn't quite seen that, Mike, a whole
bunch of micro payments can make a macro payment. And we've seen that on this very podcast, we've gotten 5 million SATs and a boost previously. Yeah, I was gonna I was just gonna say that it's, that's interesting that we market so hard that it's micro payments, that I can see the mental block that well, clearly, that's not a good way to send
$100. But it is, that's the beauty of it. And once you once people are into the ecosystem, well, then you can add an On chain QR code, or lightning QR codes, a lot of different things you can do. But, you know, I, you and I even talked about it. So after this, after the Pay Pal pocalypse, it's like, you know, should we increase our channels, and I took a look. And you know, we're pretty good with the with our main partners like, you know, fountain and of course LM pay runs on on our on our
system. Breeze has opened big, big pipe to us. So we're pretty good. But But yeah, people can send 567 million SATs into single boost if they if they want to. Yeah, that's that's one thing is that the amounts that are available for routing payments on the lightning network as a whole have gone up a lot, if you just in the time that we've been
doing the podcasting to put in a project. So if you go back to August of 2000, your ability to route them, it was dicey, if you're gonna get 1000 bucks through the system, very dicey. Now, I mean, this the way it is now. I mean, $1,000, that's pretty solid, I mean, you're gonna get that through, I feel
very good about $1,000 payment going through. So that means anything less than that is on really firm footing, you know, the, the issue is going to be with with failed payments, really the issue is going to be with people who run their own nodes, and are early adopters and don't understand the liquidity provisions there. So they don't, they're not monitoring those channels. Now that there's a lot of those people because a lot of people did want to just be an early
adopter. And they're not going to have $1,000 of liquidity on their node. But the the, that doesn't mean but that's that's a separate thing. That's like a side issue. That's an issue of a of a of a technology adoption curve with a certain segment of people. Now, for what and what people have been saying all along is, well, there's going to be there needs to be broader adoption. Well, that broader adoption is for certain going to
happen with custodial solutions, things like fountain owl be. Now what I'm not going to put LNP in there, but other other payment platforms and custodial solutions that come about breeze, let's say breeze, also the hybrid model where it will be a will be sovereign. So you will be the only one with the keys. But there's a cloud component that will help you receive when you're when your keys are not available to sign at that moment.
Yeah, and that's a three reason there is custodial. I don't mean their custodial with your keys, I just mean their custodial liquidity. They're gonna they're held up in your liquid and met Yeah, managing liquidity on the back end, which is exactly what a lightning service provider does. That's what breeze does, in fact, and voltage has a version of it, too.
So if you look down the line, I guess what I'm trying to get to is if you look, let's just say you look down like Sam said six months, he mentioned that timeframe in that clip. Sam was clueless. Yeah, for people who don't know, that tongue in cheek, Sam is very clued in and he plays dumb, but he knows exactly what's going on. So he's six months, you know, he gives the terms he uses six months. Let's just say okay, so let's broaden that, say six
months to a year. Okay, well, then I'm thinking six months to a year, you definitely have firmly established custodial solutions that can handle large payments. Huh $1,000 will be no
problem at all. So if you have a concern if you're a podcaster and you're like well I want to do value for value and I want to be able and I actually do have people that are going to sit and read you know, send me under 200 $500,000 within go do a custodial solution do a do an lb or a fountain or one of these custodial things or whatever emerges it later and then run take that or or do or do a breeze wallet and then and then offload those that those sets off to somewhere else after the
fact you don't you don't have to keep just because you're custodial in the transport doesn't mean you have to keep it there you can then you can then shuffle that those sets off into another war that you know the keys for me are for instance the ibex solution they're developing this with podcasters in mind so this is this is a perfect get together it's completely custodial but for people like like ourselves because it's not just John I mean yeah he's he's been the the
the friction but we're in it together you know the you have no exposure to volatility in the market and you get swept out you know, so you almost have no risk at all except maybe an overnight
of some payments if something went wrong. And they're gonna I think that they will probably integrate heli pad or you know, who knows maybe they buy Alby and squid and put the Saturn stuff and I mean that's what I love so much there's this whole other space that is just waking up to this going crap we can we can create services for these people yet you know we I also I was on John CI G's pragmatic show Wednesday we recorded Wednesday, it's not out yet. But we were
talking we talked a lot about Bitcoin there. And I'm a made a so I made a sort of a statement or discussed a thing where I said I'm not a maximalist a Bitcoin maximalist. And you know what I'm this I think this is apropos to what we're talking about because what I mean is that like, if I was having a discussion with a big Bitcoin maximalist said, you know, over a beer, and I think everything we would we would talk about, would be like, yep, yep. Yep. I agree. I agree. I agree. But
that when it's like, Are you are you a Maxi? The reason I would say no to that is because I don't know the future. And I don't know that I tend to split Bitcoin into two different things. And I lied and I like the way that Sam and Todd were discussing it there because you know, the you have Bitcoin as money and then you have Bitcoin as a financial transport or a monetary transport layer. Yep. And I see those things as really being being two different things. So you have if if you
would say Okay, are you a maximalist? I think most people come at Bitcoin maximalism from the standpoint of a really strong desire or they see a need for hard money they see the problems that we have with this fiat money world, they see the pain that it causes the core inflation yesterday was hot as hot as a firecracker in this these things, people are really getting hurt financially with the fiat money system that we
have. And so, you know, I agree with all of those things, but the the problem is like orange pilling people into into finance you know, into a certain financial thing. I think that that is not necessary in order to have adoption of the Bitcoin as transportation is the Bitcoin as a financial transport because that's what you have here it can be I can have a system where and we do where I can get paid in Bitcoin using the Bitcoin stack?
Are the lightning you know, the lightning is transport and the Bitcoin as the as the monetary instrument. And then once I once I'm paid, I can move that in and out as as I will. Is this not exactly what Taro is going to do? From lightning labs? I think it's that's exactly the point. Is you you can say, I want to send $5 to to Adam. I want him to receive euros and it goes through broker one then through the lightning Network out through broker to and then into your pocket.
That's That's my understanding is that it is sort of like an onion, it encapsulates this other asset. And then it goes, it goes in as one thing it pops out is that same thing? Yep. So, yeah. So that would that's, that's, yeah. And that's probably the version that will have adoption most quickly. I, you're absolutely right. But just like, that's, well, you know, because our conversations, but they become so conflated. What prompted it was John was like, you know, we were talking
about what was going to happen in the future. And, okay, well, you know, what would happen? You know, let's just say 2050. And it's a Bitcoin ecosystem, like, how do you? How do you pay for things? How do you pay for this paper? And I was like, you know, I don't know. I mean, I just don't know the answers to those
questions. And the thing is, what what we do, what I can see happening, is that, absolutely, there there's going to be the transport mechanism of Bitcoin is, is already established as a fact of life. And we're, this is going to be part of our future. All of us. There's going it's it's too it's grown too fast, it gets too big. And to stop it, the the Bitcoin as, as the hard money, that in how that applies to everybody's daily lives. And let's just say 2050 I'm not saying it's not gonna happen.
I'm just saying that that's why it's just much murkier, and I don't understand how that's gonna look either. Oh, yeah, well, I'm like you I am from the future. And here's what I have to say about it. Saying that all hell is gonna break loose and you're gonna need a Bitcoin. Every day, evidently, I am a big one mask because I agree with that, like, you know, he asked me is industry in question two is, is like, what other what other cryptocurrencies are free
of any sort of corporate control in that type of thing. So, like, you know, Ethereum Solana, I mean, all these cryptocurrencies, they're all They're all like pre mined, corporate controlled the smoke and mirrors? And he said, Do we know what which ones? Which ones are not like that other than Bitcoin? You know, I can only think of the only three I could think that I could Bitcoin, obviously, Hive, and Athena. And
I think that was an accident. The Hive ended up without corporate control and being decentralized, a Dao decentralized thing, just by accident of history, from their fork split, or whatever that happened, and then Mineiro those are the only three I can think of that don't have corporate corporate control days at podcasts, index.org everybody or No, just a booster gram booster gram to tell us how wrong we are. Because, you know, you know, that's common.
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So, you know, it's interesting, because I found that what's really happening or what I, what I've always wanted, and what I see is happening is much less focused on the Bitcoin and its value for value, the value for value is the is the hope so when you have Bitcoin and you know 21 million and Fiat versus Bitcoin and hard money, etc, that's over on this side over here, we've got the practical beside with lightning mainly, but the value for value where people are starting to understand that
there's a different way of creating the market, that it doesn't have to be based on paywall on access that you purchase. On on pricing that you didn't have a say in. And so I forget who tweeted this out, but this this is a value for value. 2.0 podcaster, BTC, June and BTG. June, this is the that puro signal I think is the title of the podcast. I've just got to play this guy's opening because he gets it totally based a little bit differently. We do think value for value.
Yeah, nice. Man. put a price tag you tell me what this is worth to you, my brother. And that's how we all play this thing now. But this is a two way street. And I operate high level on this value value economic model. To hear this system, we will say powers that stands in our way. This is the centralization. Power of decentralization is fear I mean, doesn't get much more beautiful than this. That's, that's, that's all in that is all in.
I love it, because it has this weird mix of, you know 80s Like really bad as synth pop is, but it also has this kind of Malcolm X Che Guevara. The revolution will not be televised type vibe to it. Exactly. This is beautiful. I'd love it so much. Let's do it. I love it. That's the Yeah. See, that's that's what you don't I guess. I guess I get bogged down in the in the in the debates and in that kind of thing about about the Bitcoin stuff. And I think Bitcoin, Bitcoin is important to me
personally. Finance, you know, financially, I have my own financial things that I do with it. But if I step outside of Dave and step out into, okay, what does the industry need? What is at this moment in time? What does what is a problem that needs solving within podcasting and within media itself, that Dave says, The the eventual currency in the way that it lands doesn't matter as much as the ability for it to be
transported, without, without limits? Right, the transportation to me, is the critical thing as this moment in time. The other part will, I think, will resolve itself. So that was a couple of things happening. That's important to see if we can have any influence on it right out of the gate. So with just purely the utility of so what I mean, are we okay with leaving the Bitcoin conversation where it is, and just continue
to talk about the utility of the network of lightning lifting. So we've gotten to this point by choosing this particular system, where we have incredible interoperability. And I mean, not just the technical interoperability, but we've gotten it to a level where we have a language, boost booster gram streaming payments, everyone uses them universally, no one's gone off and done something else, eat right down to confetti, which is try and plant put that into your
business plan. Oh, and by the way, all these independent developers will all use confetti, like know that you would, that would never happen as a bullet point on your slide. Yeah, you know, so. So all these beautiful things and it interrupts were a breeze can can immediately start using it. Fountain was able to build an entire business on it. That was a lifestyle. I'm not an advisor. And, and then Alby comes in, and they've got the wallets and they do a hackathon. And they've got
stats. And so I'm seeing these, these, you know, this is, this is a, like an NBA dream, you know, a business degree. Students will be like, holy crap, this is so amazing what is happening. And then I see something called Get mash, get mashed.com and I'm excited because there must have been a tweet somewhere or something. And, and right there on the page that you get to the overview, it has a boost button. I'm like, Oh, this is cool. That is, you know, they have some system from
boost. I'm like, okay, and I click it and it's like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you can use this ended with another lightning client. So it wasn't it what these fuckers what they've done unless it unless I misunderstand it, is they've created a closed system where you you pay 3% of all Satoshis you earn up to $25,000, then you pay 9% for the privilege of having, you know, they're using their system, and I just don't
understand it. I mean, if you're creating a node or something that you know, where people can receive payments, why don't you let it so everything you're gonna if you're going to use the term boost, why did why doesn't it work with Alby? You know, why can't and Albie person is saying well, threes? Yeah, Very odd. So I just wanted to point that I may be missing a completely but when I see a boost button, and I hit it and it says Now you need to you need to get our wallet Yeah, that's lame.
Consumer wallet Here we go. That's That's lame. Miska is supposed to the whole this is supposed to be open with you know, there's no there's no like trademark on any of this stuff but bow there there can be. There can be shade, we can throw, we can throw shade mark. Why anyway, so I just wanted to point that out that we're we're in such a beautiful here boosts Let me see. Okay, so here's what I'm talking about. On the boost page boosts its tips with just a tap
booster scam. That's what net Nez booster scan. I mean, seriously. Yeah, I don't like that. Well, here. So there's this boost button on this page. I hit boost. Sign up with Google put me know now pass. Anyway, so just you know, you know what, where we are right now? I never I never would have thought we would have gotten this far. I mean, not actually I did. But I didn't have a timeline. I could see it.
And I could see where we needed to be and and just the acceleration of development within the hosting companies. The accelerated development the I would say the depth of thinking now that's going on about many of the namespace elements and in how we can be inclusive all different kinds of business models and ideas. All that's left now is Libsyn. integrator die, bitches. Lipson, what did you do? What is wrong with you? Like, just just pod ping, just start with POD ping. Give us a
get request if I have one. If I have one thing that I want to beg Lipson to please do. And where's Lipson headquartered at? Where are they in like the Pacific Northwest somewhere? Aren't they Chinese? Oh, now is a Beijing ethics? I don't think so. I don't think so. I think they I think those guys they get they get really got out, they got out of that right.
Wherever they wherever you are, wherever you are Lipson, I will drive to your headquarters and show you how to send a GET request to the web server, because that's all you have to do. And you don't have webs, you don't have anything that will help please just do pod paying for the love of God. See where they're located. I will drive there, I will drive there and meet personally with everybody named Rob, who works there and can then end and everybody named Dave That was their
only see a boot. I mean, look at a boot. The boot doesn't say where they know they're Canadian. I'm Canadian. No, then actually, that's not they got a long history here. But I think the reason why it just kind of hit me the other day as I was, as I was, I was listening to it, the reason why they're a little bit of an outsider is they may have started their business model much more as a podcast network, kind of like we're gonna, you know, like the content is not
ours, but like they were closer to it maybe in the beginning. So there's some really big shows, you know, Marc Maron, Rogen, and a lot of really big shows that were on there. I don't know I'm not I'm not quite sure what maybe what it just feels like they come from a different angle, which is fine, but come on, man. I mean, you can also look at like your competition is he's now a solid 12 months ahead of you. Yeah, they're eating your lunch. And this, this has to you don't
have to you don't have to start taking Bitcoin. This is this is not you don't have to do that. You can, you can start by easing your by putting your toes in the kiddie pool and throw in some some pod things. Because it's something you need anyway, the fact that you don't have an early warning system for feed changes. Like they there's nothing there. And that really makes things difficult. And so like do that first and realize that it's great, then we'll convince you to do all the other stuff.
Exactly. It's that simple. And and as you you might have heard we're happy to come and talk to your team. No charge. Well, if it's on Zoom don't make me fly somewhere. Yeah, I will drive there. Don't Don't Don't tell me I will drive I would rather do we want to do we want to talk I mean we got two ways we can go here we can Talk namespace face six, because we still got stuff to talk about from last week. Or we can talk, pod ping live reasons in the heart and the hive hide for hard
fork. H F 26. What I have on my list is I had to think about the podcast events tag, which is part of V six, I believe, or is it is just a proposal? PC? Phase six, a six. Yeah, phase six. So the events and I was like, wow, there's this is really an interesting, an interesting tag, and it opens up so much possibilities. And we left the last show with your question, which was, Is this is this if we're talking about a message bus? Is this not just something that should go through pod ping?
Which, which threw me for a loop? I'm like, Oh, this is it? That's a? That's a good question. And I was just thinking about different use cases. And you know, you we probably should explain what events is again. But I think that it to me, it feels like pod ping can be a method of the events tag for certain types of data. But I think there's other things that you just wouldn't want on the open blockchain
regardless. Which is kind of the whole point of it being a client to trusted party server that is sending this data, which is the way I read the spec or the read the proposal. Do you want me to simply give a brief overview. So the advanced tag is a way for you, you as the podcasting platform. So I am, let's just say that I am Lipson and I'm going to open up an API endpoint, an open API receiver that expects to receive event messages about things revolve relating to podcasts that I
publish. And I'm going to put that the URL for that API endpoint, I'm going to put it in a tag inside all of my feeds called podcast events. There's going to be podcast colon events, your set, you should call on a seriously bro. On purpose purposes, I want to make the British podcast colon in the URL and then a URL attribute equals and then the
URL and then the URL to the open endpoint. And then that exists in the feed in apps, platforms, anybody who ingests the feed for whatever reasons they have now sees that, okay, if I have certain events that I want to let the publisher the podcast publishing platform know about, here's where I should send them.
Right. And so that's that's the basic idea. And those events are the things that we discussed last week, they could be things like listens, or somebody just started listening, or somebody subscribed to the show, or somebody or your artwork is broken, or the XML won't parse, or like you could be lots of the Enlow your idea was or a survey it just started using the show or whatever. Or worse a survey, can you do that too, with an event? Like an app based survey?
I think I think once the events, once the endpoint is in place, you really could do anything. Yeah. And of course, it doesn't have to be the hosting company. It can be a third party, you can you can decide, well, I want to fill out this field with this with the OP three gang, who were going to parse it and give me nothing, because that's what I get from you JS nothing. Oh, well, once in a while I did. I did like the pretty graph. No, that was Gene J. Bridgeland.
Cridland did a pretty graph this morning. I'm like, 75, no agenda 75% of Opie three data? No, it was 90. Was it 90? Yeah. It was 90 According to the double asterisk at the bottom of the page. So yeah, I think you're I think that your instinct is is is right, because I discussed this with Alex offline. And we were like, you know, and he in he had some good points, valid weights, the podcasting 2.0 consultant. Yes, right.
Yeah. And if people don't know people don't know Alex makes the makes his money by by fixing people's broken stuff. Basically, he goes into charges a lot for it. The AC goes into a system and he's like, this is a disaster. Here's how you fix all this crap. And they any wires at all makes makes them use standardized protocols. Build schemas. They basically makes all their stuff work like it's supposed to. And so when it comes to protocols
and transport, he's a master at it. So I talked to him about it a little bit. And he's like, Yeah, you know, this probably isn't is not appropriate for pod paying. It sounds like you said some of it could be. Because, you know, some of it could be necessarily like public is fine, but there's a lot of it, there's probably just, you're really wasting the blockchain to make that stuff public. And it probably miss some of the stuff
people may not even want to be public. So I think nothing. I think it's probably the right way to go to have that be a just a back end API and not something on the blockchain. Okay. I think you're right. Yeah. And I have we did I read somewhere that someone had, Oh, was it the WordPress plugin that was going to work with web sub so the cross app comments could kind of be bootstrapped again, that I read something about that? That's a WordPress plugin for activity pub. Yeah. Activity is
supposed to Yeah, I suppose. Well, it already works. But it was supposed to enable one of their new feature releases was going to enable posting back and in in Nagi, I haven't heard anything from it. I don't know. It hasn't been released. I don't know. Why don't you know what's wrong? Because there's things I don't know. Alert? So the thing that happened this week, that really was kind of like a big deal was, Todd was trying to send out a live pod paying for Geek news,
right? When he went live, and it didn't work. I didn't get it now. Yeah. And we're trying to figure out why. But it was thinking has something to do with sovereign feeds. But we're not real sure. Because the sovereign feeds the wind when he posted his command line, it looked right. So I don't know. But anyway, the bigger issue was the hard fork with hive and Brian was running around competition was head cut off trying to get everything
situated. And we got he was, he sent me some stuff to upgrade on the pod bean dot cloud servers, in a data one of the servers to make sure that things were going to work the way he thought they would, and everything was fine. And I don't, I don't fully understand exactly what happened with hive. But that's that's his job. And so we really need to move forward with getting live reason codes and pod bean dot cloud, that can be used, because it really needs to tie it shouldn't have to be relying on
them. It's fine to rely on its own third party platform, that's fine. But they've already blueberry in and PowerPress already know how to speak pod paying to popping out clouds. And that that really should be where the solution is there for those guys. And that we need to do that. So me and Alex are working on. On moving forward with that, if I understand, Todd was, was using sovereign feeds with the pod paying there to hit the hit the pod being served, and it just didn't work for some reason.
Yeah, I think I think Steven B has a system in there with the Google Cloud. Why they call their things a Google Cloud Platform. I don't know what the name of their cloud Google Cloud as your now that's Microsoft. Oh, Google. Beelzebub is that? Satan? Yes. So he, he's got a thing on there. It's like a lambda function type deal where it responds to an event. And it spins up since the pod thing and then spins down. Yeah. Okay. Because it has been taking longer. So I understand why. And
you also have to do that fun little math equation. Yeah, right. Which makes you feel really stupid when you get it wrong. Like, I can't believe I got through adding three numbers together. I got it wrong. Speaking of did we get the did you get the notification about love? Oh, yeah, yeah, I got it. I got to scroll back. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No question myself now. Okay. Yeah. Good. Yeah. GCP Google Cloud Platform. Yeah. So I think there's
something there. That's wrong. But so the the way that the pod Pink Dot cloud is going to is the way it's built. Now. Let's talk about that for a second. So the way it's built now is there are five pod ping dot cloud servers. Each one of these has its own hive posting key attached to the hive writer tool, which is a tool which is built in Python. So the hive rider is what actually takes the incoming data and writes it to the hive blockchain so that we can all see pod pings and have
fun. The Hive the hive run Lidar is running in a Docker container. And it's just basically a Z MQ socket. That is way this sitting there listening all the time. The the web, the front end of piping dot cloud that accepts the GET requests with the free feed URLs. And then that's a separate process. And that's a rust binary. That also speaks Z MQ over to the hive writer. So the rust front end is accepting these feed URLs, saving them in a in a in a static, saving MSSQL database.
And then once every few seconds, it's sending them sending them in batches over to the hive writer, which accepts them and writes them to the hive blockchain. So there's more there. Now, so that's fine, except that all it does now that that socket, that connection between the front end and the hive writer, that thing only right now is, is is passing feed URLs. It's just a feed URL and a new and a newline. Character feed new feature of video, he doesn't know how to speak
anything else. So with when when you have live reason codes? That's not enough. I mean, like you can't you don't know if the feed just updated. Or Or is it updated? Plus is live. Okay. Yeah, that has that has to be known to the hive writer. Yeah, the hive writer has to somehow be informed that this is not just a feed update. This is a feed update because of live, right. So there's extra, there's an extra bit of data. And there's also medium codes in there as well. All right. So we
need a schema, we need a protocol. So now this is the MQ socket needs to not just pass feed URLs, it now needs to pass a data structure. Sounds like a job for JSON. Oh, but it's not JSON. So JSON. JSON is fine. JSON is a fine data structure. It's very fine girl, but not for us. She's not marriage material. No, by Felicia. It is gasm JSON has some problems. So the typing in there can be unclear. So JSON just thinks of numbers. It just has numbers. It doesn't. You can't say okay, this number is
an unsigned integer. Or a 32 bit integer or 64 bit unsigned integer you it doesn't it's just ridiculous. And it's completely useless garbage. No sense. In It's fat, you have to you have to DC realize you're really shaming this girl. I mean, come on. This is good. Well, a little out there. Her name's JSON. That's kind of stupid to begin with. Right. So what So what are you what is the proposal JSON is not it? Yeah. So we're going to use a thing called Captain proto,
which is Captain proto. Yeah, Captain. Oh, Captain Captain proto, Captain. Captain proto. It's evolution of the protobuf protocol, which originated at Google. And that's what GRP protobuf is what G RPC uses. If you interface with lnd through the G RPC API. It's using it's using protobuf and cap cam. Proto is a is an evolution of protobuf. So it uses a but it's it's a binary format that has strong typing in all this stuff.
And so what you do is you pre compile, you can you can pre compile your, your protocol definitions, your schema and say here's what a message is supposed to look like. It's supposed to have this string is supposed to have a string here and its name is this it's supposed to have a number here. And it's a year so. So it's like JSON except it's binary. Yes, it's binary and it's precompiled into all the different language.
It's like Protocol Buffers but faster. It's 100% I'm reading from the page by the way this introduction I thought I was really good at explaining this crap. You are good you are good but I was reading along with their introduction because I was like Captain ProDOS like Captain Crunch and yeah, that's their logo is like the Captain Crunch
logo. I already like I already like this. Yeah, okay, so that so they so it'll be it'll be it'll be a binary interface on strong typing and the big benefit is there one of the big benefits other than just conformity to a standard is speed so it's very fast Yeah, speed that's very, very fast. So that's what that's what we're doing now. I'm I'm infinity times faster than Protocol Buffers is claimed here.
So if heard of I've been living in Captain proto documentation world for a couple of days trying to get my head on straight. Okay, we're getting getting ready to fire this thing up and go get it because once we have that in so here, here's the idea once you have the captain proto schema written then and it's established and functional, then when we add new things in the future is just going to be as simple as a schema change.
You just add the thing recompile boom done. You don't know more reorg Right, right, right. Right. That's so thinking forward. Yes, for sure. For sure. That's what it is. That's what happens when you get a consultant yeah knows what they're doing fancy ask consultant and they're very nice, shall we? Say? I'm gonna be a little careful of your time today because it is tax second Tax Day coming up so you need to go on time.
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We haven't received anything through tally coin since August 26. But it's still there. We should probably figure out why that are that so I'm not gonna fully blame tally coin, because you know, we do have the problem where once in a once in a while, the whole website just won't load because it goes widescreen on you. So that was because we're loading some weird JavaScript in the in the podcast box, but we're gonna get hacked one day, it's just it's all gonna come to the website.
I love your certainty. It's gonna happen. Yes. But you know, just to show that we were very reliant on PayPal, that has moved very quickly. Now our big donors are big monthlies are still coming in through PayPal, that's fine. But we know that it will also work through our through the through the booster grams. It's all good. We just appreciate everyone. Everyone supporting the show supporting the project and keeping us alive. Well, Todd, and the team from blueberry. They followed it up
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right here. How do you know this is where howdy Dave and Adam comes in please invite your audience to visit the URL era AI dot cooking era why he did that? I like running stuff like that. Not there's something not right about the interface because I can see where people boost and it jumps to the audio. But I have to scroll back to understand why they boosted at that moment. Because the moment they be the moment they boost is already after something was said. Does that make sense?
Did we let him I wonder if it was the Hawaii Five o that you played? Live in a minute. Okay. No, I said Maybe he meant toe ring not ringtone so sorry. Thanks, Brian. will say row sticks from Justin Trudeau 1111 in his messages, this is Drew Brees and his messages podcast. index.org Yeah. Okay. Thank you very much. It exists. Yes. exist. Yay. Roy Schonfeld. Yeah, hello Roy 54 321 through breeze and he says meet me at Bitcoin
Amsterdam. Well, Bitcoin Hamsterdam that's over and that didn't end I think it did answer Yeah. You know, it's, I don't want to understand is like this. But here's the problem with these Bitcoin conferences. It's like the people who go there and speak on panels they they have companies or they have lots of Bitcoin they can use to travel with no one's ever offered me like airfare. Yeah, or a hotel or something. Hey, come speak at our Bitcoin like Okay, that's
great. No, I don't have any plans to travel dot dot dot. That's, that's like when somebody in your family says hey, can you be in my wedding? And you're like, you do understand this is gonna cost me like two grand. Exactly a destination wedding thanks pounds 3333 from double double zek Bozek any new message? Oh, bummer. I was looking forward to hear from so we only had one PayPal. Wow, the trend that we had to know we had to we had a transition has been amazing.
We had in Jennifer never It is a fantastic transition. Roy Sheffield back again. More he couldn't get enough he gave it his 10,000 SATs. says thanks. Thanks for brief shout out Adam. You know what's happened? He's taken the What's that? What's that sleeping pill that oh, the Ambien Ambien doing Ambien and wine again.
That's gonna wake your ROI. Stop. Don't do that. You're gonna wake up Chantix he's gonna chant you're gonna wake up and you're gonna wake up and you've boosted your entire your entire node to podcasting 2.0 I can just see him then Ambien Hayes. He's gonna be in his he's gonna be in his neighbor's backyard. Make it hitting the boost button over and over again.
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don't think it's any violation for the listeners. As I'd like James Cridland saying, Wow, what a podcast I like I like that right. I feel like oh, the curry is not full of crap does have quite a quite an audience there. That was a good moment. I like that.
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podcasting 2.0 app instead of a traditional one. I think these really could be helpful for educating audiences. Right, but I think that should be the podcast apps who do that? Even I can't write it. I mean, I can but it's gonna be different for pod verse than it is for I mean, you know, granted it was a valiant Valley and go there by Alby you know, they're like hey, this is a good idea let's not only have confetti let's have the same explainer.
They're never you never know when I'm just messing with that. That's the the the, the thing that pops to mind is the slides that we did it the oh, we need to get those onto the onto the value for value page as a different guide because we have a guides page. I think we just put that up there just so people can get the full scope. I have a copy goes through every single one. Okay. Roy, Roy Schoenfeld, the Ambien way he decided to get back in for another glass of wine 5000 sets.
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are moving quickly go nerds. Yes, boobs. Okay. What was yes, boobs. Just popped up. Okay, let's see what that's the Oh, Marissa Brown of London and hive Dao. Oh 101243 Yeah. Hi. Blades on am Paula. He says you've been hard forked. back atcha and unlike the New York Times, and podcasting, people know, we actually know what a hard fork is. This is this really stuck in his craw by the way I read that and I also went Oh, man, what a bunch of idiots.
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Here's the so Brian. I'll read his whole posts. Can you believe that the two top writers at the New York Times actually named their show hard fork and defined hard fork like this colon. Quote open. A hard fork is a programming term for when you're building something that gets really screwed up. So you take the entire thing, break it and start over and quote. No, it's not. Oh, my goodness. How how I mean, that is just give me a boil. I mean, look, they had Kara Swisher in the tech category. So
yeah, that's true. I bet you heard Quinlan say, Well, you know, the Kara Swisher was a tech show. No, she's a political show of anything. interview show. Sway was an interview show. Gossip show. No does no sway celebrity gossip. That's what half of it is just like, are you talking about pivot? Because sway was her interview show? That's the that's the one that changed to hard fork. I'm talking about the one with Prof. G. Yeah, that's pivot. That's
not That's not the one that that changed. The one that changed was way. The one where she interviewed the lady friends. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, it's definitely not it's actually no, it's not. Blueberry 17 776 super limited boost in the morning, came across a group that can set up Federated Services like peer tube as your a cask matrix and etc. for podcasters that I would
like to shout out. Their name is Prometheus dot systems. And they are the ones who set up our new mesto server spook does social I would recommend their services if you are and that's all the message. The rest of this guy ran out. He ran out of space. This is kind of interesting is Prometheus systems. I got a badass website. That's kind of cool. Is that the actual URL? Prometheus dot system? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know that systems was a TLD. Everything's, I guess so interesting.
These boxes probably a TLD. It should be it should be. Okay. Interesting group. Very cool. lyceum. 2222. To Adam, thank you for your responses to my questions regarding wallets. If you listened to pod runner, groove electric, and the V for V Twitter handle. I will test to fill my wallet on breeze. I will talk with the folks that I'll be next week about a new feature. It is great to see the developments of the new features and the new podcast apps. Well,
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down. I love it. Look at the people we get to work where I get to work with Dave Jones, pod sage stop silliness this silliness as to stop it's to 12 You gotta go You gotta It's pumpkin time for you know like, yeah, I guess I got to it's we can talk about stuff
next week. I guess. I really we got we got to talk about remote item and ooh, yeah, well, let's okay, but stay man has guest maybe the podcast industrial complex cannot create any news for our next show so we can just get to it because they keep creating news that is great for us. Yeah, but we can't stop we get a waste distracting. We gotta work yeah. Well, we'll have Cridland put them on notice
Stop it just stopped going to stop going out of business. We we need to move forward stop canceling your shows. That stop that it's so sickening. No, I actually don't stop because it's really fun. No, it's not fun. It's not when people get fired that they're not that people losing their jobs. But the the exclusive show the exclusive content to doing failing. Yeah, I like that. Do enjoy that. Be a leaky bucket Dave Jones. That was born. All right,
brother. Have a great weekend and you to go podcasting my friend. We are where this is so we're kicking ass. It's just fun. It is just fun. All right, that's podcasting. 2.0 the board meeting for this week. We'll be back next week. Keep in touch at podcast index dog social support us and podcasting next door. Until next week, bye bye. You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast index.org for more information. Cool. Yes.