Episode 105: Bombshell!

worried that? Podcasting 2.0 for October 7 2022 Episode 105 We got a bombshell. Hello, everybody. Welcome to podcasting 2.0 The weekly board meeting of exactly that namesake? What is happening? How do we do it? What is this value for value thing? Do you finally think you could give us an update about the namespace? Or, hey, why don't we all just go look at podcast index.org and see we can do this better. This is all that we

discuss here in the board meeting. Podcasting 2.0 I'm Adam curry in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and an Alabama the man who feeds sheep with Bitcoin say hello to my friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones at the International namespace day. Alright, let's mark that down October 7, International namespace day. I mean, everybody, everybody, just evidently there's this, the wild west out there, you can just make anything

International, whatever you want to date. Mark it down October 7. I know I'm always surprised this international podcast day and then it's podcast birthday. And then and then I realized, you know, I'm, it's funny, you bring that up, cuz I was gonna, I was gonna talk about this eventually. Like, I hear so many people in the industry, the podcast industrial complex, talking about you know, how young the industry is, we're

just getting started. I'm like, wait a minute. It's almost been 20 years and we still haven't figured out how to really measure downloads. You know, we're still having these discussions and arguments and now and, and it's a young knowable and young industry but you know, 1010 Spotify shows go away and maybe a small percentage of their overall but you know that what is that maybe a million dollars worth? Because, you know, they just pouring money in everywhere.

It's not coming back. marketing marketing budgets are being slashed everywhere. And I just I'd want to be a little realistic with people is like, I don't see it. I don't see it. The Yeah, The bleeding has started in earnest. I mean, not just not just in podcasting, but across the border. Everything. Yes, everything Yeah, but even out now you're gonna see the cracks are starting to appear. Oh, God, we we got to make a profit. Oh my god, what are we gonna do? I mean, well,

that's exactly the problem. It wasn't it was not a problem until we had to show profit. I was just listening in the in the car. Lift. Lift is like they they spend 125%. So, so they'll never be profitable. And everyone here the analysts are saying, well, you know, we just don't see much upside because it

doesn't look like they can ever make money. Yeah, and that's because, you know, the capital markets were there and freely available for very, for very little, you know, we're gonna see another rate hike, obviously, that's, it's, it's

out of control. Nobody knows what to do. But what everyone's trying to do is sit that's what Bitcoin, like Bitcoin goes down, because the dollar is the most desired thing right now in the world, because everyone knows the interest rates are gonna go up, and they have loans in dollars, they have to pay off. So it's, you know, the, the better, the better get those dollars now.

So, landing is the name of a company that was there's a local guy, I think his name is Bill Smith, very, very generic name, but he's kind of a big deal locally in Birmingham. So Bill Smith, created this company called shipped Shi pt. And yeah, I've heard of this. Yeah, they're, I mean, this is the standard grocery delivery type deal, you know, but they started local and they had to deal with Publix grocery stores. That was their first big partnership. And

so they were like exclusive with Publix. And you will target came in and bought them. I think five years ago, maybe four years ago. That target bought them for like $550 million. The so then he left? Chips, you know, he got his exit after he tested or whatever. Yeah, he got out. And then he goes and he starts this

thing called landing. And landing is this company that is like a national network of apartments or temporary residencies for people who are bouncing back and forth between between residences and like, so then they, as they started this thing, well, they just announced today. They started it, I think two years ago. It was headquartered in San Francisco. Then it moved the headquarters to Birmingham. Long story short, they're laying off 110 People today because I mean, the You

know, everybody's got to show profit. Now. This is not, this is not how the exits work. You're not supposed to have to show a profit. You're supposed to get out early. And it just is like things finally caught up and it's like, oh crap, we profits not in our none in our business plan. Yeah. And I think I warned for this very scenario. I said that this was coming. Yeah. Because people forget I'm from the future. How many times do I have to remind you? Well, so so back

to podcasting. I've been listening to different interviews and you know, just you know, I listened to the regular stuff, but it's, it's really been a lot of interesting

things to take in. And it finally, it kind of hit me I understand now what the industry is the podcast industrial complex, and why there's a call for equity and all of this because if you look at this Hollywood, Hollywood Reporter most influential list and podcasting limits it's where it's you know, it's where all the money is it's literally where all the money is centered. And the weirdest one in there as Joe Rogan he's also not very high on the list that put him in

the middle somewhere. But you know, it's and it's all you know, people especially on the industry side, coming from Amazon coming from NPR and you know, it's, it's like and they kind of brought in their their Hollywood newness and their and I'm sure money as well came with them people following this talent, but I don't think they're really seeing the ROI

just feels like that to me. So it remains very, very small and if you look at the if you look at that's where the money is, that's where this billion dollars is that I keep hearing about. And it's you know, it's not you can't just start your podcast grow your audience and then the dynamically inserted

ads pay your rent is just not like that. And that's admit but that's admitted, you know, it's admitted and tada Todd Rundgren, Todd Cochran would be would he be the first to admit that you know, and he's no he actually thinks that's very important that people have realized realistic expectations but you know, in that group Yeah, that's a very close click and they're calling that the podcast industry and outside of that is where it really all the all the beauty is where all the

beautiful things live where all the fun is and sometimes the danger and you know it's it's it's outside that portal where it gets really interesting look looking at this list we'll see the first is will our net Jason bay that means a very very, very funny podcast by the way and we have listened to it once or twice very funny I get the jokes not really from me. But you know

money Oh, yeah, they got big contract to do that. Sure. And you have you know, Team Coco bought for 150 million Yeah, so there's a lot of you know, this is why you get some some of those players on the inside you know, buying now admitted pretty much scam listens inside game apps which are intended for the purpose, you know, to keep this facade going and you know, the advertisers are kind of being suckered along for the ride. They maybe make goods and some of these radio dual plays. But

it's, it's kind of pathetic. And it's really not at all what I feel. I mean, even when we first started off and NPR and everyone's kind of on the same level, and you know, in trying to pull it towards their own platforms, it's just become incestuous. But I think they're gonna discover it too. You see that with Spotify is like, Oh, crap. We can't pull this shit off. Anyway, these were gimlet shows and he's not supposed to be the creme de la creme

like, well, gimlet, are they so did gimlet. Are they part of the whole? The Union thing? Did they unionize? I think so they were right. Because that thinks that's going to destroy those companies. All those companies that unionized are going to I mean, they're gonna collapse. At some point. I mean,

well, well, thank you. You make a good point. The best podcasts in my in my opinion, I'm not talking about audio products, but the things that excite us the things that we find your gyms that we have build community around, that aren't necessarily mainstream, you know, done differently, or the Kara Swisher said it's just radio reimagined. How about I've got a I've got a print. I've got a gift for you. Oh, you do? Yes. It's a clip. Is it is a clip from Prof. G. Okay, is this Can I unwrap it now?

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hopefully, how we can reach even more fans. And also be sure to say the reason you tune in is solely because of Scott Galloway. Okay, thank you very much. Oh, my goodness. This is it. This must be the news. Silicon Valley is this new Silicon Valley thing is like, feigning contempt and dis disinterest, that's, well, that's really him. Because he can't live with him. So he, this is a typical example of someone who can't ask for something sincerely, he would never make it in value for

value. No, actually, I want it, I wanted to talk about value for value per second, let's just leave the add stuff for what it is. Plenty of other people can talk about that. People really don't understand the ask, you know, they're struggling with it. And why don't we just use this, this podcast as an example. Now, in this case, we have a project attached attached to the podcast. So this is very specific way of doing it in some ways, it might actually be harder, in some ways, it might

be easier. But once you lay out the ground rules, and we say, we believe we've created incredible value, and you remind people of it, that's when the lights start to go off. And something happens within the human psyche that I can't really explain. But there's you know, there's, there's a lot of what makes people give and, and what motivates them. And it has to do also with community and with emotions, and your own past your own history, etc. Your childhood, how your mom psychologically abused

you. It's okay, sweetheart. And here's tissue so so I believe that people support this show what you and I are doing and this project, because of the value we've created, not because we're funny enough, it helps not because we're good looking, obviously, that helps. A lot. But for the value we've created, let me just give you just in what is it now two and a half years? And we have we hit two and a half

years, we hit two years? To over two. Yeah, wherever to you look at some of the value of created this podcast index.org itself, we kind of just talk about like the index. But you have created this, this incredible. I mean, it's a hybrid type beast like a chimera, because it lives publicly and replicates itself. You know, and it's fused away, but you can tap into it and suck off of it all day. I mean, well, that's explicit to you. But I'm envisioning like a monster, you know, but it's not

really it's a friendly monster. And it's this oozing ball of stuff and, and plop, a blob goes off once a week, and people can use that and create their own monster at home. Biochemistry speaking, it replicates by budding. There you go, there you go. So we've spawned out of this. Besides the obvious fun and creativity, we have people who have built services and apps have added to their I mean, hosting companies have have an add new competitive edge. There are investors and

advisors, and new customers and new audiences. All these things came out of the value that we started to put together and then people who receive that value. And that can also be people who use podcasts, people who podcast it's, it's the entire universe. There's something inside that goes, Oh, yeah, that's valuable. And I like that to continue. And I know that, you know, this, I do this and whatever that is, for you is exactly what it is

exactly. Right. And somehow is, you know, no one can explain it to me. I can't explain it either. But for some reason it works. And I could we could probably make a biblical argument. I can make it like a universal life force argument. Give us the give us the Scripture, Dave. description that explains this. Yes. Second Jesus, verse three. Wouldn't that be cool if you went oh, well, Adam is right here right here. I mean, so Twitter on Twitter,

there was some conversation like what? Okay, the different tweak tips in value for value. And you know, I gave it a shot and then you came in and said, we'll do the same thing you just be your wealth. What did you say exactly? What was your exact wording? I don't have Twitter in front of me. Oh, it's the exact same thing it asked for tips, you get tips ask for value. And all of a sudden the magic happens.

Right? So the in the value the thing that we you know, we there's the technical side of this podcast and then there As the value for this podcast is an ongoing ever arching you know ever never ending try attempt to explain the value for value concept. It's also a it's also the only meeting we ever have. It is everything else is just hey, how you doing? Here's a link yeah, great love you Love you too have a nice day at work. It is. It's like, Hey, did you see Allah sent me this

thing about sheep eaten Bitcoin feed? Pretty much. Which, which, by the way was awesome. Can I please build that I really want to build it was kind of weird because so what we're talking about is this, I guess it's lightning enabled. And there's a camera and there's a sheep and then when someone pays for the invoice or you know, sends it Satoshis then some some feed drops out of this little pipe out of the wall. But the thing is, the sheep knows now he just has his mouth around the pipe it

was highly disturbing to watch. And then you hear the you see little Bitcoin logo, ching ching ching. And it's wrong. It's wrong in so many ways. This is hilarious. And I want to do this animal cruelty is what it is. No, it's not they love it. They love Bitcoin, their Max. Max. Max is the in so you feed the you scan the little QR code and and and Alex sent it to me. And I was like, Are you

kidding me what the eff is. So then I come back. And I'm sitting there staring at this and there's no way this works. And I scan the QR code and it's like it just spit out some feed. I was like, Are you kidding me? So then I'm like, I respond to respond to Alex. I'm like, Man, I can't help it. I did it. I had to do it add in an Alice replied. And he's like, he's like, Man, I did it like this sheep, the sheep are in a grand experiment that they never say they will never understand.

It's like, you know what it reminds me of the early days of the internet. And we had webcams I had the Empire camera in my office in like, yeah, it was the 1990s. And, you know, so I had like a Logitech one of those ball cams. Yeah, took a shot every, you know, every minute or whatever. And then you just posted that with a timestamp. And you had all these different cams all around the world. It's kind of that that early vibe of what kind of you know, of course, even before that, you

had the internet coffee machine, which was hooked up. University was hooked up at and you could see the status of the coffee. If it had to be made or not. I'm thinking we need to do this. I mean, like there has to be this has opened up so much creative juice. I mean, like you could scan you know pay to have I got it. I got it. Okay, there's it's the jukebox, the internet jukebox. So you can

have the weed at the podcast you box. Somebody needs to build this for the hackathon, the podcast, you box, you scan a QR code and that gets in then you have a suggestion that you want to queue into the jukebox like Graham, Graham, boost the podcast index ID of the one you want to queue up another episode, you want to queue up next. I mean, there's like a million this programmable money makes things just and I'll say that not everyone agrees with with exactly what

they're doing. But I think fountain is Oscar and those guys are having a good time with with lightning. I think they're doing really in. I'm not an advisor. I think they're doing really interesting. I'm not an advisor. I want to disclose that. But you know what I mean? It's like, there's lots of great. That's another thing I want to say. So the most enjoyable for me has been a lot of things have been enjoyable. I really love all the developers, developers, developers, throwback to Steve

Ballmer. Anybody know? Yeah, Ballmer is the developers of so interesting. And I love how they think I love how they communicate. I love what they build. It's like I feel very privileged to be in the middle of artists. And I think part of the value of what we've created with basically an API that costs nothing. You please come ahead and use it. Is it for podcast developers, then? You know, you were using the Apple API. You I know in the back of your mind,

you felt kind of like snooping. You know, it felt like kind of weird. I'm sure it did. And now it's just like, hey, you know, it's like, you know, you're not going to kicked off and you know, we're all Playing in the same sandbox here where everyone's keeping it fair. I think, you know, we have API abuse. But that's really from bots and other crap. I'm sure it's scammers and spammers, but you know, and people are really respectful. And it's such a beautiful way of working

together. It is, again, one of the most rewarding things for me personally. So I know the value I'm getting out of it. But I think that, you know, on mass, that's why people continue to support it and continue to move everything forward. That's an interesting way to describe it, that you feel like with Apple's API, because it grew up out of this sort of weird nobody ever said you could use it, but you use it thing.

It's like, when you go and jump over somebody's fence in the neighborhood and swim in their pool at night, when they when there's when that venue and you just hope they don't wake up and find all right. Yeah. Yeah. Like this is like, no, no, everybody come in, get a drink and get a pineapple drink with an umbrella. Grab a towel. Grab a towel, do the big beach beach ones getting in just have fun. Yes,

cannonballs, belly flops are encouraged. Yes, you have always loved developers, there's something about you, you've always loved working with coders, because I know how hard it is to break through to where you're actually a developer, I've never achieved it. And I can see the ceiling and I just recognize where my limits on what I can do. And I've always felt like I'm, I'm probably best suited,

translating between different worlds. No, I think that's what daily source code, I was kind of telling the world what we were doing. At the same time talking about what to develop without really being a coder or anything or a software engineer. I understand the concepts, you know, you can walk me through something, I'll get it. Something was gonna say about that? Yeah, well, me You've always you've always been able to, you may not, you may not read the code, but you understand what's

trying to be done. And that makes it that makes it easy the translation layer, like that's what makes people if you're talking about value. I mean, I don't know about, you know, necessarily off the cuff, how to translate that into what we're doing. But from, at least in the business world, and I think this

applies to many other worlds as well. The having somebody who's able to do the translation is that is alone is very valuable, because you need, like you see the people within it, or within the just the world of technology in general, who in the business world who are able to interface between management, and writers or management and developers, because there really is it's like two different worlds, you need a liaison or somebody to

help plug those two things in. And it's not easy. So like, I've really realized that this is an interesting discussion, because I realized the other day, that those are the podcasts and the things that I enjoy the most, or the or the podcasts that I feel like are the most valuable, or when I'm being explained things when I'm listening to somebody who has that interface property

about them. Yeah, now that I mean, like, I'm so apt to give money to give money and to support those docile types of people because they're rare. So I remembered what I was going to say that with my infinite translation skills, I really messed one up good. And it's really only become apparent to me now. Maybe because I'm involved with so many other apps individually. Now, it just does

so many apps. You know, I'm using almost every single app and I tried to keep tabs on what everybody's doing and their stuff is escaping me just going quite fast. But the middle when I recently had a cock up with an upload I might as well take a minute thing that Yeah. Yeah, it's so painful. What? What happened? Tell me about this eight minute thing. Okay. And the remind me to come back to why I was telling this story. Oh, no, no, no, I don't want to break your flow. Go. No, no, no, no, I'm

gonna do it. Alright, it's worth it because people don't people. People don't understand how this works. So actually, I can tell the story after I tell you the problem. So here's where I messed up. The majority of podcast users who listen to podcast in their mind and their mental map their mental image of how this works. After I'm done with the show, I upload it to

Apple. I upload it to Spotify. I upload it to Google, I upload it to Amazon, I upload it to Julio Castro, I upload it to overcast, I upload it to all these different what they call platforms. And and so they will I mean, the language is all over my Twitter feed is all over my email. Hey man, did you forget to upload the overcast or I can't believe the upload worked on Apple, but it just fill in the blank. Really interesting.

So here's what I did wrong just to give you because people, people don't understand the mechanism, they really don't I don't know if we have to explain it to them. But here's the problem that I had. And a lot of this has to do with the caching on our server. So for some reason, my upload of the mp3 file of no agenda broke, and I didn't realize it, and I thought I had just completed. So I spin up sovereign feeds, I do a Save and then export file a public show. And then I upload that to

the server. And then I, I catch my my error. Before I've you know, quote, unquote, pinged anything but you know, now we know how this goes with caching, like, Oh, crap. So I, I removed the RSS file, and then I, and then I re uploaded the mp3 file. Got that. All right, and republish the RSS, but for some reason, it had cached that the show was only eight minutes long in the in his head, you know, like the length of the file

length. Yeah, yeah. So even though during the duration duration, right, and so and I later corrected that, but by that time, you know, the amount of caching going on an apps and you know, being able to time, the cache Buster on on my on our CDN, to, to a pod ping, it was just it was a clusterfuck it was Phoebe. She doesn't like it when I swear I'm sorry. No, no, yeah. Put your money in the swear jar. swear jar.

I'm here. Yep. So anyway, it just I'm just saying that as a point of reference that, that in the communication of how podcasting works. That's generally how people feel about it. And that's the mental image they have. And I'm not saying that's bad. But it's something you need to need to bear in which is okay, yeah, she didn't like me swearing. No, she's okay. Yes, I'd love the swear jar. Thank you. Thank you, darling. She's not Oh, it's Phoebe being escorted out.

Yes. Yes. He removed Yeah, she is. From the she just been led into which is interesting. No, man, that's, that's shameful. Just getting the walk of shame. I mean, well, you know, this is okay. Wait, wait. But um, before I change gears that you need to you gotta go back to your other story right. Now. That was the story about the Okay, sorry about the upload. Okay. The, you know, I've learned something as well. So we need to talk about podcast namespace stuff. That's, that's

important. We got to do get to do that. It's on my list as we talk about faith, because you got face to face six, but I want to I want to do a precursor precursory. Is that a word precursor? It is now? Okay. precursory. Man, I invented a word and rehearsal day on the same day precursor. You can have a precursor. So I guess you can do something. precursory. It's, this is precursor Oriole. Nice. I'm making it better. The net. So this is about naming things. So

I know you're long enough. Okay. Yeah, I'm ready for the floor is yours, sir. Okay. I learned something about this. And it was not something I was looking for. But it's one of those things that I was thankful for. Oh, and you know, you know, well, my stance about the names of things. My standard answer is I don't care what we name it. That's all that's always been the thing I've done. We it's kind of like, I don't care what color it is. As long as it's an m&m.

Yes, yes, exactly. As long as it's tasty and melts in your mouth, not in your hand. I don't care what we call it. Good to go. Good to go. So, I was talking about this with Melissa. Because we had a new wind that we've been discussing this proposal for the TX T tag, or the text tag. And Daniel popped into the thread and said, I don't think we should name it this I think we should name it some The nails, which he is apt to do is one it's one thing that he does is he talks about the

names of things. And so we went, we went back and forth and back and forth. And at one point I got frustrated because you buckled. No, I did not bow I did not buckle. I did not but you named it too meta. I'd well I did name it to meta, and then, okay, well, maybe I buckled okay, I named it the meta. And then that was universally hated, it seems. And then, so I said, You know what? Via you know, Ted, Ted Hoffman from Apple brought this tag to the to the land of the living. He can name

it. Because it's his baby. He gets the name this thing. That was my solution to the naming issue is to divert it to is to make a direct eye. Yeah, no, it was good. I followed this. He had an argument which I found compelling. Can I introduce so the argument that I saw was, well, this is a familiar field for DNS records. And that's how it felt to me. I'm like, I've done so many authentication things. I've done lots of DNS. Oh, that makes sense to me.

That's it. Yeah, that yep, that's exactly right. And that's so there's, I can give you the arguments for why the name of anything doesn't matter. So the name of it, this goes back to, you know, rules for standard makers, the names don't matter. Because we're developers, and we can learn to use anything.

Developers, these tags will never be seen by him by actual human beings, they will only be seen by meat eating dungeon dwellers, who are creating software, which is exactly what Apple said, when they created the iTunes namespace. Yes, the. So the perfect example of this is Apple's use of this new property in their AV kit library. It's called something like a V URL HTTP asset user agent key. Okay, now, nobody, no human being can actually remember the name of this thing.

But you don't have to. Because it autocompletes in your ID. You can do Command F Ctrl. Yes. And then you hover your mouse over the name of this thing, and it pops up documentation that says, here's what this thing does. And by the time he in no human being will ever see this thing. Wait, what Id do you use? I use PHP storm Docker. Thank you. Yes. And so the, the idea here is that no, but no, by the time that humans aren't interacting with the TX T tag, they're interacting with their

hosting company, right. And their hosting company is translating the things that they see on the screen into in the background, what becomes a TXT tag. So the names of these things don't matter. We could literally call it Ice Cream Sandwich. That can be the name of the tag. And as long as we all know what it does, and that a version of Android Ice Cream. We could call it Bitcoin goat feed. And that would be that would be absolutely fine. Okay, that's the that's the that's the

argument here. But here, here's what, but here's what I discovered though. So I'm telling my wife about this. And I'm like, Okay. Was there there's as I told him, like, you know, all this bickering about naming things. It's just, you know, get on my nerves. It's annoying. I'm, I'm distracted. I hate I hate this. And she said in her simple question to me was, well, if you don't care about what's nice about what the name of it is, well, then why do you care so much.

harsh, harsh reality of a heritage woman? Is that look, I hear this tomato now. It's good now heritage woman. You want one of those? Okay. Oh, God. Well, I got one. Yeah. And I know you do. I know. You got one. And my response was, No. You got me. You got me Nailed it. Nailed it. I'm glad it's t x t though. Okay, so I said, I don't care. I don't care what your wife says. She's not my wife. Right. So I said, Well, you know, that's a

good point. Actually. Maybe I do care. And I've been in I have and I've been deluding myself. Ah, the monkey comes out of the sleeve. Is that is that a saying of Confucius as the saying of the Dutch the OPCOM that the Mao okay, I thought this was like, Man was Holand pocket feel cookie all day close. That was Um, so I said, I was like, okay, you know, I'm busted here. I've been in you to use your parlance. I've been de Kloet. Yeah, yes, yeah, maybe I'd maybe

actually do care. So I had to I had to spend. It's been a good day and a half. Yeah, that's, uh, that will mess with your mind, man. Yeah. So that, you know, thought, well, I finally came to this conclusion. I was like, You know what, I think I do care. But the reason I care is that I want people to have ownership over the things that they create, to some degree. It's sort of like giving credit where credit's due. Okay. That's, that's a very reasonable argument. I mean, he

already had me back at hay. He birthed this to life. So he had to get to name it. Well, you know, so I brought up and I will get into some of these tags in a second. But I developed another type proposal this past week called podcast, colon state. And Daniel said, Well, I don't think we should call it stay. We should call it something else. But you birth it tag. You're it? Yeah. And, and by the way, without even looking, I know what it means. What do you think

it means? Is it is it a free test account? Or is it a paid subscriber? Basically, yes, that's exactly what it is. Yep. Yep. That and this, yes, that's exactly what it is. And, you know, in my response to Daniel, when, when this was mine, this was my tag proposal. And my response was, you know, you can I give you carte blanche to name this tag, whatever you would like, Daniel. I mean, you. I'm giving you this. So you name a gentleman. Very nice. Yes. Yeah. Okay, now, I mean, all

right. What am I Swiss cheese? No, no, you're the interface. So as a unit, okay, so what so what is that? So what is it now? I don't know yet. He's not. Oh, okay. Oh, I'm excited. This is this is very interesting. If the gun with our little family here, Dave. And blow by blow. We wreak rave. This is long form, recruit recounting what happened in GitHub issues. So this is something that riveting Okay, now, just as a podcaster back to that, that was really

beautiful. Man. You were really honest there. I mean, not the non honest but you were you went above and beyond and then you, you actually gave away something that you cherish so much forsake of of all, good and harmony, and Daniel's quaking in his boost, like, Oh, crap, and I gotta come up with a killer name that everybody goes, Oh, yeah, totally. Yeah, this name has to slay, to be amazing. No pressure, no pressure at all. That was like, you know, I was like, you know, what? I'm gonna

give I'm gonna give this name away and and such. In the future. I think that that should be the standard is that the person who creates the who brings the proposal, they get the ultimate say, on what is named. And that doesn't mean that you people can't suggest do suggestions or caveats. Okay, I'd like to caveat. So people, so you basically gave it away, but ultimately, you're the boss. No, no, that's not what I say.

I misunderstood. I don't mind if people are like, hey, maybe a suggestion, we should name it so and so. But when the guy that created it, or the girl that created it says no, I want it to be this case closed, everybody, everybody just shut up, you know, and stop and let's move on to bigger and better things. Right. And so I think that moving forward, the proposer is the Neymar unless they give that right away to someone else, right? Yes. Now, is

this in our Constitution? Or is this in our commandments? Death lately? We don't have any of that I'm gonna forget that this even happened like a week from now. I'll remind you this is what I mean. We all work should be like this. All projects should be like this. But Englewood, incredibly disorganized and crazy fun. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I like running stuff like that. It's not for everybody right. Blueberry added putting everything Oh, dynamite

everything. Yeah, across the border. Yeah, Todd man. It was so cool to listen to new media show. So you see he's all he starts off and he's jacked and he's talking about his booster grams and, and he's like, Adam, send me your address for your stickers, and I and I boost him with a The another Maxi boost with a stick with this with the address and like, where's this going to WHO CARES is on lightning guide take it a

boost that docks myself on the Lightning Network. And then and then he went into like an hour of stuff about advertising numbers and IAB and you fell asleep. Ah, it was just like I was so excited. I understand. I understand. Before we get into namespace there was one other little piece of news I wanted to throw out there. I can't remember who was on podcast index dot social said he's doing a value for value plugin for peer tube that oh really connecting to Aldi. Yeah.

Oh, okay. So this is going to be something for peer tube proper. Not not just in a tube, I guess. Yeah, I guess that's what he posted. Oh, that that's an that's an SSS needed and that's really great. Yeah, I didn't I didn't see this. So who was it the posted I must have missed it. I can find it cuz I was talking to moe. We've been working on

some stuff. All good. He's like, man, every YouTube there already that just look at everyone's starting to figure it out, you know, the, he gets screwed shadowbanned de platformed et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And you know, it just needs to be we need to tie a few things together just a few things to people and they will come and they will start using it and

let's start using apps that support it. But that's the I think the main thing is what I'm worried about is they come and we don't have the actual peer to parts set up everyone's just you know sucking off a one or two pipes I mean, that's not going to work that's too much is way too much that's that'll crack that'll just bring the whole thing down video so heavy but the the whole idea of the chat of the booster grams of the live we have it all we're doing right now you're soaking in it

maj we just don't have the video component and it's not necessarily simple to set up. But if it gets a little bit more if the process becomes a little tighter everyone knows how to do rmtp streams and they do that from stream yard and all this stuff. But it's just these the last few things. Since it's here it is her head. Okay, okay, I'm in her head and you know

I'm working on. I'm working on a peer to plugin. To allow the for V with video and audio, all the creator needs to do is put a lightning address like her [email protected] and the description or support blocks of the channels or support support blocks of the channel slash account. Then viewers from an instance that has the plugin will be able to send SATs. Okay, currently, the test site is working with the Alby plugin to send booster grams, if any peer to creators add the address to

that account, let me know so I can send some test sets. So that's not quite the same. So it's not a back end module. It's a it's a browser side. Seems like is that what I'm hearing? Okay. I mean, not ideal. No, no, no, no. And I was like, Alex is busy. Now he's a busy man. He just started a new gig. So he's very busy. And he also doesn't want to get screwed. Yeah, I don't blame him. I don't like that. He's no meanie that says like, I'm very, very protective of it.

Like, yeah, me keep sending me shoot videos. Is she? Oh, do you wanna? You want to do some talking about the sovereign nation? We got to do names. You want to talk about the event then? In a way? Yeah. Events. Let's talk about the events. Okay. Proposal. Yes. Who was proposals this? This is John Spurlock. He proposed podcast. CO lon, like James would say podcast colon events. And this is basically it defines

a web hook for a URL and API URL of some sort. That is going that the host host or publisher of a podcast has set up in order to receive event messages from other parties that are about this show or this podcast feed. So things like his only example so far. Is the Listen, cousin kind. These are the kinds of events you can have. So it's a Listen, let me just interrupt you because I read through this. So

you didn't, okay. Yeah, doesn't mean I understand this. So the idea is this is being sent from the player from the app back to the feed owner. In the, in the case of the Listen kind of event, that would be the case. But it doesn't mean that it necessarily has to come from the player because I think, I think in his mind, he's thinking that it would probably come from a proxy server that is serving the player and not the player itself. And that's the

way I read the documentation. Okay. Because, because it needs a JW T signed by a private key, I have a couple here hold on a second. Best Phoebe take them out of the room. She was munching on the private key can't really it can't be device side, it can't be browser side or any of that. So it really is really has to be on a server level. To talk about it for it to just read what he

said. He said, allows podcast feed allow podcast feed publishers to define one or more server endpoints to receive incoming events from other trusted third parties regarding the show, represented by the feed in question, guys, this is also gonna be rating, it could be reviews, just call the simple shit. Yeah. And so like, my first it's a nice proposal. I mean, it, it makes a lot of sense, it seems to be. I mean, it's well put

together as most of you know, all of his stuff is. Mike has blessed graphs, he has nice graphs and stuff and example, pictures, pictures, and the JW T is the right way to go in this circumstance. So this will come from a service basically that you then this service, whatever it is, that's the trusted party, and you are a user of that service in some fashion. I think so. And then you would have like, for instance,

overcast? Or I'm trying to think of other apps that have servers, server backends, pod verse, things like that would have their server would know what see the listening data, and then just communicate this back to the hosting companies in point ah, um, in, in batch in batches or something. Right. So it could be a whole host of issues, which Oh, this is very, okay, hold on a second lightbulb moment. Okay. This sounds a lot

like the beginning of I will share my data with you. And I'm going to determine exactly what I want to share and with who, based on maybe even keys or I don't know if the trusted party is trustworthy enough. But and this is kind of the first permission driven loop that the user controls. I think that's, I think that's a fair assessment. Yeah, knowing knowing, knowing knowing J S, that's what it feels like. Because he's good man. I think that makes a lot of I think that's a good way to way

to say it. And I can see, here's my here's a couple of his initial feedback. And this was what I was afraid of his This is not my concerns, and these are not, this is not my feedback. But these are the feedback that there's the feedback I saw straight out of the gate is this has been tried before with NPR and red and the red specification, and it didn't go anywhere. And you know, we need to be careful with that. That's

fair. That is very that is a fair criticism. And except I think strategically, this I can see what he's trying to do here. Events, and events style web receiver. Makes a lot of sense. But I really think in order there's the there's the squishy part of what you just said something like write down event events and dial web receiver is what I heard. Is that what you said? Yes, that is sexy. What is it? It's this thing, it's podcast colon events. It's I have a webstyle

event style web receiver. Every kid will want one by Christmas I promise you that in a that in a human you there's the squishy part of trying to sell this and I used to assess a sale and air quotes in I think out of the gate hitch. I don't think this should be the I don't think the example use case of this should be a to report It listens. No. How about this? How about I report my email address to this podcast, I decide, hey, I want my email address to go to them.

It comes authenticated. They know it's me, they know I'm an actual listener. And then they can put me on a mailing list or do something with that, you know, the number of things I would want to give to them in some automated fashion. I see a lot of use cases for that. And I think this just device is sociis. A cluster for trout, you know what I mean?

Does that mean and that's the first thing that came to my mind, the keeper is as you trust his guests, and their hours thinking there's something about goats that I had to bid on that was right there with you has fallen. The innkeeper is as he treats his guests. So everyone's going to, you know, this is for tracking this, but let's not use that use case. Let's use and one of the many. I'm sure there's there's many other fun ones we can come up with.

Is that sort of like what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Is that a similar type? It's not quite as mean. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I'm thinking that let's listens is going to bring up bad juju across the board for many reasons. And in I think that this thing that I think of pod ping, but with you have to establish this as a valid thing that has lots of beautiful use cases and what would be a good word, use cases. And can I give

an example before I forget, give me hit it. This will be an example we just just one example. Because you are completely agree with you, I completely agree with the commenter's nonstarter tracking problem at that all kinds of issues. But if we make it fun story just came to mind which I can't tell you privately, remind me to tell you the story of the cream. So if we, if we make it fun. How about this? I have a

page. Maybe it's a chat. And on that is a it's like a little little board little LED of people who are listening at that very moment, and lights up. Just so you can see that. What other people are listening could be a handle doesn't have to be your real name or email address. Just something fun, so that people on the other end can say, oh, cool, man. Look at all these people. Maybe it goes right back to the app. Who else is listening right

now? That that's an example that I think people would think. Oh my God, Jesus. That is actually really cool. That is very cool. Yeah, cuz you get that gives you the sort of live feeling without having without without it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I like that a lot. And we'll call it we'll call it ping. Is that such a good track record? What a great. You're so good at branding. Isn't it? Isn't that? I mean, it's kind of the kind of does

everything right? It adds an incredibly cool feature shows that we can think out of the box because that's, you know, that's what, what is the that's what shaming everybody to shame isn't all the cool stuff we have. You know, there are developers in this world right now probably listening going. Oh, man, I wish I I wish I could work on that. Yeah, instead, you know, it's like, Oh, got it. Got to improve the signup page. Got to work on the flow. That's fun.

And not knocking people have to work because we all have to do crap. Obviously. That's a beautiful idea that I love that that is a way that you can Yeah, that's perfect because you can you can sell the benefit of having this type of system without the without all the baggage and all the crap that has gone you know, that everybody's like the you know, that starts arguments and everything. Well, it's already starting sir bemrose in the in the chat room

says fascinating use case. I can't wait to spoof it. But yeah, thanks. Thanks. Thanks. bemrose. There's, there's always there's always one. The, you know, so there's others. We can think of lots of different lots of different events that could happen in in the use of a show like I could think I was thinking of error reporting on the lace. Tim, you're all you have like all the fun stuff you had And I'm like, Yeah, you're doing you're doing Oh, when someone's pissed off use

this cool use. This is the pissed off namespace element that we've just created when you're angry at podcasting 2.0 Use this element in this. So like, if I doubt it, okay, so the eight minute thing. The you your feed was reporting incorrect or a messaging bus? Yes. Yeah. Before? Yes. So I can You can report back to the host, hey, this this, there's something screwed up with this feed the feed won't parse, that we'll have to restrict that so that it doesn't become a

messaging bus for people to send messages. You know, it has to, it has to be kind of like, I mean, that's to be talked about this. Because before you know what the next thing is, and you got to pay in SATs, you know, let's keep it simple. Yeah. So none of that and have that. So just maybe the idea of what pops up is people also listening to this podcast at this moment. So the the other thing that happened that happened in Reno related to this was, it was the antenna pod guys. And evidently

didn't know this was happening. But they had like an open API discussion for sharing data between apps, like data portability between apps. In so in general, I think this is all

it's all related. Oh, really? Cool. Yeah, this is really promising really great, because this is exactly this is what we're talking about last week, we were talking about the need that there there's a big need for an open standardized way to pass information back and forth between disparate parties within the podcast industrial complex, who there has to be like, ways to push it like, Okay, I've got some data here. I am pod verse. And I know that a bunch of people are listening to this

show. Did blueberry and I want to let blueberry know that that's the case. Yeah. For a lot of people, here's, here's a better one. Here's a better one. And this is another kind of event that can be done in this reporting followers. So the apps know how many users are subscribed to a show, but the hosts don't know that they only see downloads, they they may want they may find it, find it very useful for to aggregate

into except an event in point except subscriber reporting. Or things like we can we can think of probably we could probably get to get, you know, sit here and think of 12 different it all. It all boils down to share your OPML you know that, don't you? It's always the same. Yeah, sure. It's always very open. It's always defaults to that. Okay. Yeah. So J s just posted. Dave and Adam are getting it colong. It's a general purpose channel for receiving unforeseeable events from client apps.

Yes. So. So all of that being said, I think it's fantastic proposal. My only you don't like to know. And then it should be called ice cream. But the the one issue that I have, and it's not really an issue, it's just a question. We already have a message bus and it's called pod pain. Why? Why do we need a separate bus? Is it it's an honest question, is this for privacy? Is it because of concern about overloading hive, I mean, because we already J WTS can be attached JSON payloads

can be attached all this stuff. All of this could be done through pod ping. And so I just wonder, you know why we don't just use piping and well, we need to build a separate thing. So that's, that is my only question. God, Dave Jones. This is why I love you. You know how you know how to bring me out of your foria Within just a nanosecond and make me think, as an excellent question. I only want one thing. All right. Please, Brian of London. Please don't post 5000

words about why it's good. We got it. We understand. We love you. D do a peak D article. Yes. At point two input and point to it. Yes. That's a fascinating question. And crikey, it While Spurlock just posted a link to a reply that I will read later, because that's boring content for a podcast. So I will read that later. He is probably got All right. Well, we can move on to the next item on the agenda. Oh, he says, Dave could create a bridge to pod thing in a

weekend. All right. Well, that is a very that is a fair enough. All right, well, you could have just done that without posting the link you show off. But, so that's podcast events. That's that's one thing under proposal in the basics, the TX D tag that its first use case, is going to be as a verify mechanism. So the way that Apple is all starts with Apple, even though lots of people could do it and do some and some may do it, but we know for sure that

Apple verifies feed ownership. They currently do this now. And they are definitely going to solidify this in the future because they're recommending the removal of email addresses from

RSS feeds. what Apple does now is they say, Okay, if you want us to do something with your feed, like included in Apple podcasts, or verify ownership, you're going to have to go to your feed and stick a magic number in there somewhere in your show in your description field or something show Yeah, show notes show notes. Yeah, well, you know, that's, that's ugly. That's very nice. I was gonna say for apple that is really, like super low grade. And that that's, it's, it's off brand. I agree it is

off brand, it is totally off brand for Apalis. Like even Google is more eloquent than that. Create this 40 character thing of gobbledygook and stick this in your show notes somewhere, right? Got it. So they would very much benefit from having a general purpose tag that would hold just random freeform UTF eight. Oh, perfect and perfect. And and so then that will be their entry into the namespace. And we would welcome them with In fact, I

have been keeping this bottle of a Bollinger on ice. It's I got some years I got some caviar, I got some hookers. I got some primo Columbian, you know what I'm saying? Ted Hoffman just changed the ice three times a day, that wouldn't be celebrating for that. Fourth, so the node value is purely what it says on the box. It's D, it's just like a DNS TXT record. It has its 4000 characters of free form UTF. Eight, can hold whatever it

needs, whatever you want it to hold. There's no limits. And there's one attribute and the attribute is a 128 character, string. That is called purpose. And so that is, again, free form. And the whole idea here is we're not there's no slug lists, there's no predefined. make decision parameters about what should be you know, it's easy. In fact, you could have someone say, well, we prefer for you to do that with your email address. You could put that in your txt field, straight up straight.

DNS, grooviness had TXT record. And what we saw come out of that was crazy stuff like SPF records. Oh, yeah. And that something that is something that nobody ever would have thought was going to be a thing. I mean, you know, 30 years ago, when DNS

was was being born. Nobody thought about the SPF record, but because it had this general purpose tag, it's essentially in it, you could do it this things could be created and 30 years ago, I didn't have to explain to at least one person a week why No, it's your mail server. Mr. Thanks. I keep getting bounced man. Yeah, you're misconfigured No, I'm not everyone can receive my email. Except other servers that are properly configured. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

I make no exceptions. I'm sorry, ma'am. Yeah, no, you don't need to. The so the TX T tag can serve this role as just a general purpose catch all for people to experiment with and all this kind of stuff. And in the DNS world, if you go and claim if you go and say, if you sign up for something like office 365 And you want to prove to Microsoft in the year The owner of this domain, they're going to require you to put a magic value into a TXT record

with Microsoft, put your credit card in there. That's the way to do it. And so that's the first use case of this thing is going to be as a Verification Mechanism and that will allow everybody to remove email addresses out of their feeds and we can all move forward and we'll also have something that's multipurpose we can do use it for other things in the future and again, it's easy entrant for everybody to be a part of everyone hates decided this system and so here we go. Hold

on Hold a beer. We'll fix it for you. Yeah, free of charge. Just value Yep, just in this boost. I don't know where we would what do we want to thank some people Yeah, he wrote now let's thank some people and then we'll wrap up with some more namespace first the what's been coming in during our lit the lit program here as we're live. Currently curio caster and pod verse are lit compatible. And pod verse gives you a nice little let me see did I get my notification today? Yes, I did.

Notification. We got. Oh, nice. We got 100,000 SATs from Linkin Park rule. Shot kala 20 is played on am fala Singh Hunter grant gets a big baller. XMPP is dope. Another protocol that was established a while ago that has yet to be fully utilized. JMP dot chat is a great example. Anyways, keep killing it guys sent via pod verse premium, premium pro verse premium. I like how it says I like a premium in the app name. That's cool. No, he he wrote that in

the message. Yeah, you should do that. Mitch, you should put premium I agree. Because that's aspirational. like crap, man. I wanted to say that I'm proud. I want to look like a baller. Yeah. And there is 10,000 SATs from Mitch. Thank you very much. Chad 333 Blueberry row a duck's always, always, always, always bring a towel he says. See Brooklyn 112 with 12345 Satoshis thanks for the Chimera blob go podcasting go podcast egg let's see what

else we're doing. 1000 and over 10,000 from Eric P P. All he says is pew pew there's Dred Scott with a row ducks pew pew Chad F for the 3333 servo with the same one a one a one from hard hat who just says the caboose boost blueberry with a super freedom boost 17,776 I come to chew bubblegum and boost SATs and either Bubba Gump Chad F with 3333 He's spacing his his boost really liked the lit image for the show. Yeah, it's only

new I didn't it somehow I posted the wrong part. It's like a vector image or something but you that did you change the image? Well, I always do a new one we for lit as a new image every single time now. It's just a lightning bolt. But there's supposed to be two V's and the lightning bolt that is a four. It's in the show notes. If someone can maybe someone can. How big is it? Is the apple gonna pick it up? Are you keeping it under? No, no, I don't. I don't sync it to the channel. Yeah, okay. I've

learned my lessons. And then Ted has to track me down. It's like, bro, it's not gonna update Ed. He might get that ugly. We still got that ugly ass art in the in the Apple though. In the apple podcast directory. I don't know. I mean, I don't know why that is. That makes sense. The one with the scissors. Really? Don't tell them. Oh, no, but that's because it's an illegal upload. Yeah, no, but but it's just there. It's bad. Branding.

Now this would be an outstanding moment to send an event message. It would be this image is wrong as this image is wrong. 54,321 from Dred Scott pre show boost go podcasting podcast. 21,017 Dobie Das, who just says a boost. Boost. Let me think. And that's it. That's those were our pre and lit boosters. And thank you all very much. You get it. You get the value and you're throwing it right back in our face and we really appreciate it. We have zero take house. We like one time pay bills this week.

Thanks, everybody. Yeah, we've we've transitioned fully to the Satoshis good news. All right. We have mere mortals podcast or buddy Catherine says 2222 And he says, Dave, the data horror has a nice ring to it. You're sick man Kira in my high school yearbook. That's what I said under my name data or. Oh, Justin Trudeau. Did you know he listened to the show? Yeah. He also maintains a channel to my Umbral note. I love Justin. Yeah, just a great one. Row sticks. 1111. He says go

podcasting. Do you know Justin Trudeau uses breeze because he wants to maintain beautiful Amande. anonymity? Yes. And custodial keys, just like, you know, just like the regular Justin Trudeau. Sir lurks a lot. Send us 11235 11,235 through nine verse and he says, Providence synchronicity. Well, like a good feedback loop. We must be resonating somehow you guys go ahead and milk those notes for all that sweet sweet

data. Slurp it up. I for one very, very, very much appreciate how thoughtful you are of listener privacy, not only with hashing identifiable data, but also giving thought to mitigating attempts to de anonymize ViaSat amounts. My numerology today is the Fibonacci sequence. The golden mean Oh, sacred geometry resonate Briley bros. Nice Fibonacci boost. L. Did you modify that on the fly? Yes, that was that was it live performance baby? Yeah, you just edited a ride and see Dubs. See, dubs sent us

10,000 101 through boost CLI. And he says, I have not decided how I feel about you publishing your boost feed data, regardless of your attempts to to anonymize it. As a general rule, I like this because this is like a counterpoint to to us or Luxilon. As a general rule, I don't like profiles of me being distributed online. If you used hashed usernames, you can still link the user to other datasets if they used the same username.

True, true. So your point so your points will be probably these leave user names completely out of it. This is regarding what this is what we talked about last week about having like this way, like we like boost data. Right? Okay. Yeah, basically so people say yeah, and then I was saying like, we could just hash the user names and then use not the numerology but just the random

username doesn't matter. Doesn't matter. We don't need to Yeah, we which remove all that we just say remove the messages remove Remove everything except the sad amounts. Yes, I mean, that's all I was thinking of. Just the satellites.

Good thanks for that CTOs. Some se Oh, he's fallen out see 10 101 again and those one on one he says some apps already sent less fields in the boost when fee equal true in the split such as the message and thinking that privacy preserving apps should should redact all the fields when fee equals true or perhaps only the fields identify the podcast episode and app I think that's a good

I think it's a great idea. Yep, I totally agree with that. Yeah, if it's a fee don't don't send the message for sure. Great idea. How do we solidify that? We just did okay. Yeah, we'll be watching raw we will send events to the events in point when you've when you don't comply the event police is here. Yeah, this is this is what this is gonna turn into this is gonna turn into event police. Roy Schonfeld, Roy 554 321 A Roy and he gives us gives us three rocket ships and a boost

royal do it he'll do it. He'll he'll do this in no time. He'll have the fee. Oh, yeah. Totally. Up gene Everett 1234. And he just says boost boost boost for Borsen and boards and good labor. I don't know how to board blush fours and fours and fours and fours again ever since 101 says but he says what an intro You guys rock greetings from fellow German podcaster. Thomas. I guess it's Tomas Prado. Alright talk Tomas. Tomas.

Thank you buddy. Mitch there your life is lit from 10,000 Gene been you says to cast Matic he says, with the apps implementing Opie three help much if the default players on platforms don't also do so. For example, if the apple podcasts and whatever androids default don't support mp3 Seems like massively slanted data. You will, you know. But they don't need to support op three. I mean, that's up to the publisher, am I misunderstanding the question?

I think he's asking about like if apps just sent everything through OB three without honoring the prefix or whatever, in the in the enclosure if they just did it themselves? Oh, I see. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't think they should. I don't think they're going to. And so I think it's kind of a moot point anyway. But be general in generally speaking, though, this, this idea of every app has to do it or we don't, or the data is not accurate. I don't know that. I agree with

that. Because you can see, you can extrapolate I mean, statistics will allow you to get an idea of a small take, you know, take a smaller set and get an idea of what the bigger set means. I mean, it's not. No, it's not 100%. But nothing in podcast data is ever going to be 100%. I mean, we just have to accept that that's the fact. This is I'm still not sure what we're gonna do with all that information. Other than, Oh, here's the amount of people that we have no advertisers for.

Yeah, that's, I mean, that's fun. Gene bein, again, 1337. He says, For me, the hosting company lets me offload tasks I simply don't have time for and bandwidth to deal with Sure. Absolutely. That's the whole idea and they shouldn't be be edge you should be at feel like you're being educated. I know they do about new things, new developments, ideas. I mean, I think that's a big part of the appeal of all hosting companies. They also provide some nice extras I did. I couldn't do

myself, but would take more time and effort. That's right. Yeah. That's the whole point that it's abstracting all the yeses abstracting everything. So don't be like me where you mess stuff up because you're using you know, you're using stuff that is still being built as I'm you know, I'm driving the car while Stephen B is still building it. It's right. Get an egghead, send us 8007 SAS SAS landed boot

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value for value would be awesome. Along with that, a summary of what features end users can expect by using 2.0 apps instead of traditional ones would also be nice, and I refer you right back to the hosting companies. This is I mean, we can sit here and explain it. And we do to a large extent. But what you want is you you want to understand how these things work practically with someone who built an interface and can support you in learning it. I can also tell you how to fly a

helicopter right now. won't be the same unless you're in a helicopter with an instructor at a flight school. Yep, definitely hosting companies. Trent are the translators here? Yeah. You're paying for it. We translate to them and they translate to the to the podcaster so it's all beautiful. In Oh, whoa get Giga Giga Kapoor G G A G on a ma g a g k A he Yu Gi Shi i get good Giga cup Giga buchi or its age kappa G gauge cappucci will keep it I like gauge cappucci gauge cappucci Send us 200,000 SATs

follow 20 is Blaze on him Bala All right. I don't care what your name is. And he says in his messages, my first ever boost boosts exceeded. Mr. C. Thank you. It's very kind of you. Thank you, Gage. cappucci through fountain Oh Um, yeah, sweet. I mean a nice entry onto the dance floor 6969 from a citizen through pod verse, it says, For those boosting to the getting divorce back on board fund, it doesn't work. Doesn't work boost boost. It will never work.

You need to boost to the cut divorce from the split fine. There's no split split doesn't go to us. Yeah, there's no there's no he does not in a split. So mission accomplished. Now we both we split back to everybody who helps out that's, that's, that's the beauty of it. One day, one day, he'll wake up and say, Wait a minute, how much Satoshis are going to all these other people? It's like, I need to get in on that action. I'm serious. I'm dead serious. If it's serious money, like if

it's if it's something that would get his attention. He would. He would be Hey, I'm gonna do something with this. Because I'm, I know I love him. I know him. I know. That's how we operate. He'd be like, hey, wait a minute. What are we missing here? Anyway, Bailey bones 7500 SATs through fountain he says podcasting 2.0 is the next bacon. Thank you. You go that that's a bumper sticker.

It is a brown of London and hive Dao 49,817 SAS the V four V app, also known as the Rube Goldberg machine, he says what makes this show special its listeners like me not advertising. Isn't this sweet? Ah Bucha that's a that's a call back to his Professor G clip here.

I was thinking about about Brian because I was reading about by Nance I think and by Nance got hacked $150 million in I think it's apparently a lot of these exchanges have their own kind of stable coin or other kind of side blockchain that people can move stuff in and out of and they so it's literally a bridge to Bitcoin. So it's not you know, you're not like selling it on the exchange. But it goes in basically what Brian of London does, it goes into SATs and it comes out as hive. And even

those guys get hacked. You know, and that and that one sucked because that one, that's a sucky one. So I did the big one. They're a big player. Yeah. So I'm just I'm I'm always thinking of you, Brian. Always Thank you. Lots of firewalls, brother firewalls. The tone wrecker since 2052. Sets. He says through fountain he says, learning is accelerating an ocean of knowledge being shared by you both. Thank you some additional updates. Nightcrawler

robotics is an independent 501 C three public charity. Our team makes travel fees optional, so any students can experience the fun of FIRST Robotics regarding regardless of their financial position. Oh, this is reference to last week's boost. Oh, yeah. With about the high school robotics team. In this 2.0 space, we found how to add the lb wallet into our Nightcrawler 2052 podcasts at a ha time for building this week. Let me hear

you. Oh, let me hear you. Holla Nightcrawler Yes. A nerd podcast you know, so that's that's the kind of school that needs to look at the at the lightning sheep feeding machine. That's exactly what I was just taking biotics right that's robotics. That's badass robotics and and you make money to fund your you know, your your sock hop, sock hop in your your multi your malted milk there are no Yes or No get you you shouldn't you can have like a webcam but two

robots. Do those like battle robot things? No. And then if you if you QR code on the right, left up, down and you can run you can make the robot roll around by sending like 10 cents or the sad state whatever direction Yeah, I kind of liked the robot animal interaction personally. Okay, something really compelling about that. Or it can launch the robot can launch food. It can launch bait out of it like it at a rapid rate. You know, blow a big thing of food out.

Now you're talking all right now. Now you're way far away from the house. Okay, we got lyceum. He says 217 76 podcast, SATs and he says Adam will you get the Twitter handle V for V underscore info back when Elon Musk is taking over? What kind of rules did you violate Liberty, Liberty booster 1776 Satoshis Thank you. I've never owned that. And by the time Elon Musk if the sale goes through, and he buys it, I think I will have to depart the platform.

You know, he's very real, if he would really quit. Well, I'm pretty sure that they're gonna want me to send him my driver's license. Oh, that Yeah. I mean, definitely, his whole idea is based on identity. Verification, that's that, how do you get rid of Botswana? Or how do you deal with all the bullcrap, like, Well, okay, say whatever you want, but we know who you are. We have your, your, your details

on file. And if you say something slanderous, then we'll be sure to make sure people can get a hold of you. Yeah, so this this you know, Alex warned about this. A year and a half ago with Jack and Jack Dorsey with Jack Dorsey's side project of Twitter, the Twitter yes sky night something whatever it is, yeah, you know, Sky things guys guy. So you know, they were coming they came up with this big grandiose plan of they're going to have this decentralized Yeah,

actually read that white paper and understood it. You're telling me right, that crazy ass thing about identity? Yeah, and it was basically you know, you're gonna have a single digital identity across all these platforms. So I'm like no, no, I'm out okay, count me out. Yeah, I'm done. I don't I don't want that No, I want I want ended I want individual accounts on different platforms. I don't want some single unifying identity I'm not I'm not ready for the entire market the beast

crap. Okay, count me out. Let's move on with our boosts. Lyceum 20 to 22 Dave, do you have tips on electronic wallets for non techie users I have used blue wallet but I get error messages now as I'm trying to refill my lightning wallet with my bank card in order to buy gifts in the stream bits of Bitcoin it has to work in a simple and safe way similarly to a Pay Pal or or swish that's mobile payment system in Sweden transaction road dogs boost easily I don't have an answer for that offhand.

I don't I've heard people having problems tell you the wallet for Bitcoin or for lightning. My absolute rock that has over $1,000 at all times and it is breeze breeze this one I was gonna say we talk about it as a podcast app it is an incredibly mature well structured well run well managed MS and and the most sovereignty you I think of anything I can imagine at the moment there's no I don't want to get into arguments about that but I always always always that's the one yeah, that's my working

wallet for all things payments. All the time for sure. It is connected to moon pay and you can definitely use that yeah all over Europe and yeah, yeah. There you go fix that. They go Lyceum to send a rush boost 2112 Nice. He's still my beating heart. He says I am on my way to the podcast and 2.0 certified T Shirt Day USD $50 to go about getting DJ Steve boy yet on board who's DJ Steve. Crew creates a great a great creates

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Man, believe it or not? A lot of people get those wrong. Yes, after seeing the man on the street stuff, I would Yeah, go to podcast index.org Scroll down the bottom if you want to give us Fiat fun coupons or donate through a I should check that again. I forget to check all the time. Or if you want to send us some on chain coin, and some beef coins and some beef coin and get yourself something modern, a new podcast apps.com You will not regret it. And now we have nothing. Nothing new.

Let me see. I have a message from tally coin. The message is like nobody's sending you money. I'm sorry. ahead for you. This is 28th of September, anonymous sent 25,000 SATs but I don't know if that was for us. Okay, well, don't send that as anonymous and I can't thank you or send those anonymous I can't thank you.

Um, speaking of speaking of Putin, carrying water for Putin, the this this article from the Brookings Institution, the woman Valerie worshiper Schefter. She's back with more dashboards. And, I mean, like, oh, this This isn't easy. I figured it out. Go ahead. What what what do you what is on this? Well, the vibe on this is that she's you know, at first I was thinking spook spooky, but then I was like, you know, this is

kind of what want to be spooky. Cuz the, what she says in here is, while exactly who is responsible for the attack, this was just this. This article is about the dissemination of misinformation. The The title is us podcasters spread Kremlin narratives on Nord Stream sabotage. In the first paragraph says while exactly who is responsible for the attack, which European officials say was a deliberate act of sabotage remains unclear. Experts broadly agree that Russia is the key

suspect in the experts broadly agree. wording is a link to a

New York Times article experts. I linked to the New York Times, read the entire article in Nowhere in the news that is absolutely 100% Now what that article says, it says nothing of the sort is a matter of fact, by the end of the article, you're convinced that nobody knows who did this and the ones who do think the ones who do think they know think it was us I mean this this is this article starts out in the first paragraph with misinformation by completely lying about what this article

this she linked to said. I will explain to you what is going on here. It finally hit me. And the way is when I went into their dashboard. Oh, you got into you got in. Oh, yeah, I looked at the dashboard. Okay. This, this lady who now has a sidekick. She's a political operative. And what she's doing is because when it comes to perceived misinformation about Putin, Ukraine pipeline, et cetera. I think the no agenda show would rate very highly on the list of, Wow, these guys are

nuts. They're carrying water for Putin. Yeah, now we are not in their database. Now, I think we probably have a big enough size audience and enough people know us that, that she might have come across us as big disinfo people. But that's not what this is about. This is all the podcasts that are listed. I think there's 70 or 90 of the things 70 or 79 or something probably all Fox News people know all of it is podcast

industrial complex. So it is Dan bond, Gino, you know, stuff like this, and you know Ben Shapiro, and then they'll have in pod save America. So it's so obvious it is right left. And this is intended for one thing and one link one thing only to get the platforms such as Apple and Spotify and Google and anyone else they can get to throw those podcasts off. That is Brookings Institution. This this is a this is not this is a political move. That's what this this whole thing is about because you're

right. She's lying, because he's not sincere. This is not about any concern for the for the horrible public who might be sigh opt by a podcast. This by spreading the idea that the United States was in fact responsible for the explosions, several leading us podcasters have advanced the Kremlin's preferred narrative, while staying under the radar radar of researchers until now. Like, I mean, do me a break. me Give me Give me a break. I don't know.

The only reason that I care about these explosions in this pipeline is it's going to end up it's going to result in the harm to people that I care about in Europe. That's not cool. I care about that. But otherwise, this misinformation stuff is like we've talked about this before misinformation or in podcasts. Because misinformation is in life. There's all kinds of

misinformation maybe there's misinformation. In the news at the watercooler at the at your office at the dinner table, in church, in science in research, hey, go to the retraction watch blog. Oh my god, the retraction of all the scientific papers that's a another RSS feed. It's one of my favorites. It's multiple retracted, peer review, peer reviewed and then retracted later because his grace has often in disgrace. Yes, multiple a day. So I mean, just just get and just tired of this garbage day.

Ya know, it's time for the weekend, brother. It's time to kick off the weekend. Do you want to do another podcast namespace thing? Now we're 138 130 Yeah, what do we have leftover? Oh, I don't know say well, we get we get state and has guests now seem to float. This doesn't sound very exciting. No, I shot my wad on event. I mean, I gave an idea. We've got something new is it? Is it done yet? Have we developed it yet? Can I Can I see it yet in curio caster do I do is this available to me?

This this is yes. This is a good place to stop I guess. So we'll see. An open info sharing method. Yeah, no, I'm gonna stop in here. I think the problem was is we went there. You know, we went into the disinformation thing and, and I felt myself getting off track too. And I was such a high because I want to see who else is listening to this podcast at the same time. I'm listening to it. And I just want that now. That's all you can think about. Dude, we

can be the tinder of podcasting. I'm telling you, this is exciting. This is exciting. I'm telling you dating in podcast apps. It's all coming. Hit the ISO hit it, bombshell. Dave, I love you, man. Love you too, brother. we'll see everybody next week right here on podcasting 2.0. You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast index.org For more information The shell