Episode 104: A New Dump

Oh, podcasting 2.0 for September 30 2022, episode 104 We got a new Hello everybody, welcome to podcasting. 2.0 everything going on? Well, you know what? Podcasting 2.0 It's the board meetings is where we come together every single week we talk about what's going on our dreams, our wishes, and we try to fulfill them all. Whatever is happening with the namespace out there in the podcast, industrial complex. And of course, podcast index dot social is where we have all the goo we like to talk

about. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and an Alabama, a man who was happy it's international podcast day, say hello to my friend on the other end. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones, you always fulfill my wishes, sweetheart. And right off the bat, we're back where we left off. At the International podcast, epi International, maybe your numbers are right, and maybe they're not Puckett who, who determines this to be international podcast day? I

don't understand. I mean, I wouldn't international podcast community. I was not consulted on this. So I don't know. I've never really observed it. I'm a non observing podcast. Did you see Jordan? Jordan? Seeker last names and Blair. So Ben Jordan, Jordan Blair. She's one of the one of the hosts of the Bosque broadcast. Yeah, Busquets. Yeah,

Jordan Blair. She tweeted the. She was so excited for international podcast day because she wanted to, I wanted you to land on we wanted Adam curry to land on a roof and give her presents or something. Oh, oh, all right. I like I liked the idea, actually. Oh, little girl. Let me see what I have in my sack. She said I'll be hanging up stockings tonight and hosted Adam curry fills them with audio gear. Oh, goodness. Okay. All right. So what does it signify the start of podcasting?

Is there something? Is there a date? Like something was born on this date? Do you know I mean, I just seems like, that's been a thing. I don't know if I had to guess what it's about somehow. It's about somebody making money. You Yes. Yeah, that's a wild guess. I mean, that never happens. That's just a wild guess where? Well, I'm glad he's making money somewhere. I guess we should just talk briefly about the Bloomberg article and the oh my god, there's gambling going on there.

I'm shocked. I'm very shocked. You got my clips, right? Yes, I do have your clip. Oh, do you Oh, you have clips about this? Oh, this, this in particular, but just about, about, about

other things that are tangential to this. Okay, so So let me start with just a little background Bloomberg reported an article a reported an article that I Heart Radio in particular, but it appears that there's some others who have done it, we're buying downloads from mobile app games, where the person would, you know, tap on an in game item that they would get a you know, a sword or a cape or something exciting, or, you know, maybe some, some, some other kind of virtual money,

whatever. And they'd have to listen to 20 seconds of a podcast would point over a minute, a minute or more have been downloaded, which and this is the the true amazing part of it, which according to the International Advertising Bureau standards is constitutes a full download, which is fascinating. But they were doing this to the tune of 6 million a month about $10 million since 2018. Up until today, and the way the industry kind of responded was well, you know, it's it's valid. It's it's

how it works. This is we all agree IAB says it's okay. And I am and I want to relate my own personal experience to this. Because it's, you know, you've never done something like this, but you've been affiliated with something like this. Here's how it goes in Silicon Valley. And I know this firsthand,

particularly with startups. And it doesn't matter if it's a podcast if it's video that you're that you're have advertisers watching doesn't matter if it's clicks if it's signups registrations, anything you can think of anything you need people for, there are companies who have these games. The one I know about specifically at the time was called monopoly. That was just the name of the company. I don't

know if that was the full company name, whatever. But you know, companies like this and so the base has bold, that's a bold name for your company. Thank you, but maybe that's just How they were listed in the special index.

And they will come to CEOs or CFOs and say, hey, you know, if you need some traffic or something, you know, you need some signups for the end of the month you got the quarter coming up, you got to show your board, you have a board meeting, you have a funding event, you need to show a chart. You know, you've got this money, so why don't you pay us $100,000 And, and you know, that will result in $110,000 of revenue. Because we will, we will charge you less than you're getting

from the advertisers. And they have to end these games. That's their workforce. You know, remember, we talked about Sphinx, where they have people in the Philippines, Philippines, who are you know, teaching AI is like, Okay, is there a man in this picture? This CC, you know, this closed circuit camera? Yes, yes. No, no, no. So teaching it, the same people are saying, oh, okay, I have to listen to this podcast now that now they're getting, they're not actually

playing a game. This is this is the part that I think Bloomberg missed. These games are not games to play, like, Oh, my God, the game is to get as much money out of the monopoly company. Because they're paying their people it goes down the line. And this is rampant throughout the industry. It started way back when with clicks, and and page views, all of this. And it's real people doing it distributed all around the world. And I'll just add to that. When, when you take a company public,

people will come to you who say, Hey, I'm a consultant. And I'm a consultant in your business. And I would like to have warrants of your stock. Now warrant is like a stock. But it's a it's a particular kind of stock, it has restrictions, but you can sell it once the stock price reaches a certain price with and that you can sell that kind of as an insider deals. That's what all the venture capital guys, they want a lot of warrants. That's

that's where the, that's where the big bonus money is. And they will say, hey, you know what? Your stock is? $5. Right now, when it hits 12, then our warrants will, then our warrants are good. Oh, that's great. What are you going to do? We're going to promote your promote your company, we're going to talk to people and we get them interested in the stock. And of course, what they actually do is it's a group of guys, and they're all They're trading the stock back and forth amongst

each other. They trade the price up until it hits the price point. They cash in there, their warrants. But but you're also happy because your shareholders are happy, your employees are happy, everybody's happy. And it's completely legal. So that's the same that has been going on. And I would say with and in this case, it looks like I heart. And this is this is the best part because we were just talking about loops, not lists. So all of these Rancors are basically gamed. Yeah, that's

like, and it makes sense. Okay, you and everyone agrees with us, okay, you know, I heart they, they spend the money, they get the views, they're top of the list. I mean, that's their prerogative, it's their money. It's like, Does anyone see the yumminess? And all this? So you're saying, if I understand the way you're describing this, right, you're saying that there are, let's just say their games on, like free to play type games on the App Stores, the mobile app

stores? That the, the 90% of the reason they exist? Is for is as cover for this thing? Correct? And so that, so that you can, it is a valid game. It's sure a valid thing that helps this and maybe some real people play it, but but its real purpose is for engineering, advertising numbers, correct. Or any type of numbers, any type of ranking, any type of action that needs to be that is repetitive. And bonus. Sometimes the game is a hit just because of the game. Right? Yeah, that can be your

bonus. But meanwhile, you make a game. You know? Yeah, it's got to be a free to play game. And I am and there's there's from the App Store standpoint, there's nothing that triggers there's no shenanigans. Oh, well, that's me. That's the amazing thing is I've listened to different people. You know, new media show and the one you were on, it was in the

pod, last pod land and pod news. I read around and you know, the basic consensus is, oh, you know, I mean, I know it seems weird, but you know, some people might actually be listening to those to those 20s. They might listen longer, they might subscribe. You know, clearly advertising works because you know, people keep doing it. And they must be getting an ROI. The joke in advertising is I know that half of my advertising is working. I just don't know which half that's the job.

So and you know, it's not all attributable it's not all you can't really track your ROI to where it's coming from. In general, it's you know, it's very hard. It's it's you know, IAB says, you know that I mean, I don't understand how that can be a valid download if it's one minute of audio. Well, we talked about it last it was either last week or the week

before we talked about and get that A B. In Geo. Todd was saying, there's some people who are hostile to IB and I'm like, You know what, from our standpoint, we don't truly care about that kind of thing, because that advertising is not our game. But it but it is, this is good. This is a really clear indication of how how inaccurate and just wild west that whole thing is to put

us sort of the IB. The way I see the IB is not necessarily with contempt, it's just with irrelevancy, because, like I'm I'm sorry if there's any irritation that I have with the IB is that they charge people $50,000 To put a veil of legitimacy over a thing that's completely This is not new I mean, you calm was at comScore, you had to subscribe to really participate in their bid list. If you're if you've got money, there's people are going to take it away from you for this very reason in this

all the time all the time. But you know, but here's here's, here's something with this knowledge now just like oh, no, okay. Yeah, like, oh, boy, surprise. And, you know, there's, there's some indication that Bloomberg themselves might have been doing this. But everyone does it. Yeah. And you have to understand it's like with all the unicorns I guarantee you that every single company has employed these at some point where you need a boost or your your, your your curve on your

your spend sometimes it's just you're not spending enough. What are you spending on? Oh, look at this at the marketing you know, the bill comes literally like, like webcam porn bill on your credit card, you know, marketing service. Like it Yeah. This got some clips. This may tie into a little bit of with marketing and advertising stuff. This was bought. So Goldman Sachs, they had their big conference. Recently, last couple of weeks, I think

was two weeks ago, I think two weeks ago. It's like calm calm aversion. I forget what they called us things something goofy. But they were just interviews with Bob back ish from CBS about he talked a lot about their about streaming services and about it was it was the name of their Paramount plus their offering and all this kind of stuff. We had a couple of things to say about

advertising. If you want to hit clip one this is because sort of his his his thoughts about what's going on with advertising now and soon. I'm not saying the world is as it was in history. But the notion of 23 is doom and gloom, which is out there. I think it's overplayed. So that's what I mean by the ad market weaknesses overplayed? Certainly for us, we're seeing a positive trend line in the year, Q will choose better than q1. q3 is better than q2 and q4 will be better than q3. Hmm.

Yeah. So, but Okay, so why do you think in the television streaming, advertising business? What could it be? That is going to cause him to be so confident? He's, he's confident his q3 numbers and that he's going to be very confident in q4? What I mean, what do you think's going on here in, in in television advertising? I have no clue. I mean, and I don't know, maybe television advertising is doing great. It seems to me like everyone's cutting budgets. I

don't know how he's gonna answer it. Initially, yes. And clipped to your old familiar buddies. So that's encouraging. That's a function of the share games, particularly the CBS broadcast network. It's a function of the upfront we laid, which was really all you up front, we sold significantly more inventory. So we're not that dependent on scatter. And it's election specific categories, obviously political. I like in the back half of this year, but also pharma, which was

a big category for us coming back. Pharma. Yeah, like coming back elections in pharma. So they he's confident in quarter four numbers, not because they had scatter as he calls it, but because they had too big too big industry buys elections, and pharma. That's the No no, well, no, we know what two things the That podcasting advertising does not have Yeah, a live podcast advertising is highly dependent on scatter. So yes, he's he's doing great CBS because they don't have to worry

about scatter wells what podcasting gets scatter? Yeah, he doesn't have to worry about it until q1 and everything. Then he's got some problems. Then he's just got Pharma. Yeah, huh. Well, no, I think Pfizer has done some, some Viagra ads here and there hypsi They do everything with the hips. No, they weren't. They weren't. It was Pharma. I don't know who maybe that was a. What was that for? I can't remember. Now, I don't get that ad anymore. When I listened to new media show now I get to nice

again, nice. Like some financial services I don't need. He follows it up with a little bit of talk about programmatic if you want to play yesterday, I don't feel like we're right now people think that the market is is weakest, they're worried it's going to become I mean, you're not really seeing a particularly weak ad market right now. Are you? That's another part of the overblown markets actually, pretty good. I mean, the programmatic side is weak, but the linear side is pretty good.

But it's more people are talking negative about the ad market valuations metrics have come in. And people are talking about an extended slowdown, which again, I just don't think I don't know. You know, it's a prediction. But what I'm seeing I'm feeling better about 23 than then the general narrative. Yes, approach programmatic is weak is what he said, you know, he doesn't he's by his numbers, because he doesn't have scatter. These are all podcasting, advertising is on the wrong side of all of

these things. Yes. I mean, that's why, look, when I figured this out, you know, when we started pod show, the whole idea was to change advertising. And so that's when you know, we're doing and wasn't like a big change, because it's been going on and radio for a long time. But you had the additional, you know, now you had an interactive part where you could send people to a website and use a promo code. And, and that was that was kind of working, it surely would not scale the way you would ever

imagine. And then, you know, and then we started, brands started dipping their toes in, and they're having a real hard time. And look right now, Twitter. I think it was at Nike, and like two big brands pulled all their advertising, because there's some, you know, kiddie Porn was discovered on the platform. You know, yeah, it's a nightmare. This is always a nightmare. And you know, he says, Yeah, linear is doing okay. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I think this, I think it's a

problem. Advertising is important. I'm not sure. And I don't care. Let me let you before we play the last clip. We don't even have to play it if you don't want to, but you can. Don't feeling froggy. No. So we, we did an experiment. And I added the no agenda, Sunday and Thursday, show to Opie three, the open podcast, pre prefix, Project projects, thank you. So we could see what's going on, and see how it worked. And the system held up and there was just a lot of cool looking

charts and numbers and big numbers and smaller numbers. And so the, the reason why I felt okay with doing this is because I don't really care, it just doesn't really matter. But what I noticed is, as you know, as the posting goes back and forth, and you're drilling down and look at this, I'm like, I'm getting, am I getting more and more interested about how many people listen to this, I had to stop myself, it's like, no, because you'll never know, you'll never know you're just

not gonna, and then I flip over to the lb stats. And I can see that, you know, on this show. Seven minutes in, there's 59 People who are streaming sites, you know, that just shows me that right there. And I, and I'm really good about that, like 59 people are listening at that very moment. And someone sent to boost here. And look at that line barely, barely tapers off. Have you seen our that we just had some stats in the I haven't had the evolution? I should

look, it's very exciting. It's so funny how and you don't like I just don't care that much about stats. But these stats are cool. You look at that. I mean, because that's actual data and it shows that people are listening pretty much all the way through the through the show to the board meeting. Which was nice you know, what's funny is the the only thing that we can say for sure after after one round of of the no agenda show being on op three.

Is that the lit the number of listeners is somewhere between 90,700 1000 Yeah, that's kind of the impression I got plus walk where where that is. I have no idea If Well, if the total amount of listeners is 90,000, then every single one of them has way too much dispensable income. Yeah, that that can't be the case can't be right. It's way north of that. The weather how, how far south of 700,000? It is. I don't know, I've been looking. It's this has been a pet project

all week of, I thought you didn't care about stats. And now that this is the priority to hear you our stats, but like on our show, that I was talking about stats, okay. Now be stats stats is also our stats. Yeah, no, well, I'm like, this is more this is less of an interest in like stats for the sake of figuring things out for myself. Now, you're a horror data. Don't ever date a whore?

Yes, the data whore. And so I'm like, you know, I just want to see these numbers that I can't make any sense out of. I just want to make some sense out of looking at them. And so I'm like, Okay, let me let me figure out a different way to slice Oh, no, I know. Now, this is what's irritating me. I can feel you doing this. And I know that it never ends. This rabbit hole does not end with meeting Alice. It ends with the IAB with some compromise. Yeah, that's what it

ends. So I just hope you don't spend the rest of your life doing this. No, I'm, I'm slowly getting bored. As what's what is happening? And, you know, I was like, I'm marginally interested. But you know, obviously, what's what's what's happening here is this. There's nothing that's really of interest to me if there's a chart that I could look at, but that's kind of cool. But again, I know it has it has no relationship to how I feel about the program. How we did you know?

Now, I don't know, I think the value value is just a lot a lot better. For me. It's like, okay, we didn't get as much. Maybe we didn't do something right. Let's talk about everyone. Okay. All right, move on. Do better. And it works. And then look at the dashboard. Now that's pretty that's pretty solid. I mean, I know. People don't drop off really? Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, there's like, it's pretty, it's pretty good. I mean, like, there's just like this. ever so slight dip.

Towards the end. That's, that's about it. Yeah, no, I don't the winning so naive. I will. I will echo Todd Cochran ins, you know, warnings about stats in calculations. And I think in retrospect, I should take his warnings as this is not fun. He's trying to figure out what comes from what and what's the target. It's never ending. It's never ending. But what I like and what I would love to have, what I really enjoyed looking at is all the refer.

You know what apps they are. That's cool. That's really that's interesting. I got people listening to me on the Roku. Yeah, yeah, that's funny stuff. Yeah, the Roku. And also stuff. I've never heard of stage fright. What is stage fright? Right? I mean, and these I think are, maybe they're, what do you call them? What's the what's that open source? Everyone uses it. You can you can load it on the Umbral now. So it's a media server, media server, and you can load

different apps. Apps on it. Yes. Podcast, like Plex or something. That's it Plex. Okay. Stuff like that. Yeah, that was kind of fun. Yeah. What you see quickly are in the numbers is like, okay, clusters, clusters of downloads coming from, like big clusters of downloads coming from a single IP address, but different apps. Yeah, you're like, Okay, well, this is a this is a VPN. Yeah. Okay. Well, that VPN, you'll never know what that means. You can't pull numbers

out of that. It's just a big blob. And it's a big, inscrutable blob. So I mean, you just like you just give up. It just solidified that this is the podcast industrial complex and the numbers. It's been 20 years. It's still a it's a cluster F. It's the same with Nielsen ratings is the same with everything isn't then I'm just not getting the value out of out of the hole. It bugs me more than anything. It's like that just No, no. I drilled down on one IP, one IP hash. It was one

IP hash with an apple podcast user agent. And it had something like 40,000 range requests. I'm like, this is not possible. What's your range request our array of you were you we're downloading little bits and pieces at a time partials, partials when you're straight, you're just streaming and like, well, there's no way that somebody listens to this podcast at seven times in a row. Right? Right here doesn't make any sense. Yeah. So but that's exactly it. And you, and I've

been doing this since 1990s. Five, with the advanced statistics Analysis Program ASAP, where we did web stats for Yeah, grep, basically. And it's always been fluffy at best. You know, is there a lot of validity to having this data and not looking at it as stats for advertising? Oh, hell yeah. I'm glad I can contribute. I think hopefully, it was helpful. Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's fun to look at and try to like, I see it as a big. Here's another.

Here's another way that this could go. You know what, actually what we should bring our guest and that way, because I think this may revolve around him too. I'm glad you reminded me. I've forgotten him twice already today. Just kidding. He's asleep in the lobby. Welcome to open up the door. Welcome to the board meeting. Co Founder of iv.fm. Mike van Haida hide, I did it. I screwed it up, even though I knew better. Mike van Hyde. Hey, Mike. That's great. Thank you very much for having me.

I'm sorry. It's the Dutch in me like I want to say, as my fun hi to Hey, Michael. Yeah, that's what I want to do. Your original pronunciation? How Dutch? Are you, Mike? I mean, how far does that get back in your family? Oh, wait a long, long way. So it's, we know it's probably Dutch, but I don't I don't know that we now you know, trace it back to Europe or anything. Oh, so you haven't been to the Motherland to go.

Oh, goodness. Okay. Well, welcome, Mike. And I think maybe we should just start off by you telling us about IV dot IFAM, which I haven't used pretty much at all. But I understand this is a great way to search and to keep track of things, all things podcasting. Is that fair to say? Yes, I think so. So iv.fm, what we're trying to do is to sort of understand exactly what each episode is about what people are involved with topics, and then let the listener follow or explore from

there. And so, as an example, you were on Glenn Beck a few days ago, and someone that was listening to his podcast might not be familiar with you. And so you would you would be right there. And think like, oh, Adam curry I liked I liked this segment. And then they could click More and follow you and see all the podcasts are associated with all the other interviews you've done. And it's we have a million topics that we follow. And so you can follow any of those the same way you

would follow a podcast. Wow, my popularity peaked around 2021. That was probably a Rogan episode. Could I drill down into that and find out what was so I was so popular. That's just kind of cool. We did what's on the website is cash, but I could definitely send you the for the full list. That's That's really interesting. Can you make it so anything people search for

brings up me? That would be okay, I was looking I was doing some searches a couple of days ago, around in the app, and I was looking at things that how do you I mean, you're you're really accurate with pulling things out. Like you can follow a person down to shows like with title in the description. Are you using like a machine learning model? Or what are you what are you doing there? i It's hard to say the heuristics get complicated and more complicated. And I

don't know at what point they become ml. But we do we do have a system that is proprietary that we built it treats every field in the RSS separately. So there's a one thing that's working on like keywords in person tags and other thing that works on the titles and other on the descriptions. And then the idea is just sort of all those work together to sort of identify all the pieces parts of the of it. The main thing we don't use this may be surprising is the

transcript data itself. We've looked at that a bit. It's just a little bit messy. But I think at some point as we might incorporate that as well. This is clearly your your wheelhouse is is the search and like key. I hate to call it even keywords because it's not really keyword you're sort of like taking taking bits of data and making sort of making tokens out of them. It feels like exactly because it's not it's not just people it's also you know, the the, the you know, hash the hash

topics, hashtag people. This is interesting. Oh, Um, what are you pulling in? Are you pulling in the person tag or location? Like, what tags are you consuming? For this in particular? It's the the title, the description, the keywords and the person tag. Okay, okay. Amen. My, my podcast with my wife isn't in here, you're not you're thinking, Oh, man. This is no good. So you don't you're not pulling in from the

index, then we pull some from the index. There is you mostly aligned with apple that we do have pot, obviously, we have this podcast, we have some other ones that are not an apple. Apple helps us with some popularity measurement. So that's, that's sort of why we like to do that. But we'll add anything. There's no, there's no like allegiance to Apple or anything. Now, let me let me ask you about that connection with Apple. So how do you get that data? Is there some kind of

developer program that you can hook into their API? No, I mean, it's all sort of public. And so we pull in a number of sources to try and understand the listening guide, as best we can. Our you know, our, we're pretty small. So our listening data would give you kind of random results, I think it would be very skewed. And so this sort of, I think it was Kennedy original topic, when you when you open the podcast is probably directionally correct, maybe, but it wouldn't trust the

numbers. Exactly. And are you worried about Apple ever waking up and deciding to not make that public? I think that's a possibility. That's what we're trying to pull from a number of sources besides apple, but Right, so far, it hasn't been a problem yet. But we're we're definitely expanding beyond beyond apple. Now. Is this a company? Are you guys making money? I mean, what is what's the business model? So we do not

make money, we lose money. The company is this, my wife and I actually podcasting my friend. Podcasting will make it up in volume. We're looking at some ways to make money, I think the data itself is actually boost, I can see of avenues where it would be really interesting to folks. And then there's, you know, probably ways

that we could do things. There's certainly the value providers, something I was hoping to get before before we talk today, or in some edge cases, and I'm terrified of taking people's money. So we we backed off for now, but that is something in the works. But there should be like avenues to help advertisers. Identify podcasts. And we think there's a lot of a lot of angles here. Just typing some stuff in I'm very impressed at how the how the search works. I mean, that's cool. And then the

results you get back at I see. apologizes hadn't haven't had an opportunity to really mess around. And I'm just doing on the web. So I can imagine the app is a million times more interesting to interact with this cool, man, I really like it. Thank you for the interesting. So the trending topics I'm seeing it's at least on the side, I'm not I don't have my phone next to me.

So I don't know about the app yet. But and I think it was the same this morning on the app to a hurricane in hurricanes, Joe Biden, Russia, Ron DeSantis, cue, like, these, these trending topics? Are those coming from Apple? Are those coming from your own analysis? No, no, these are all from our own analysis. The trending is sort of we take what we know, we know about how many episodes should appear for each topic. And so to the extent that there's more than we would

anticipate, that's how we sort of ranked the trending. And so that's where you see Hercynian and Nord Stream, being sort of the top two, and then we're trying to provide more context like, Well, why are those trending? And that's where we do

keywords that are trending with those. And that's where you get, you know, hurricanes trending with Hurricane Ian, or Joe Biden, or Cuban or Ron DeSantis. And then off to the side, we're also pulling in 10,000, New sources, because they're also RSS, so it's easy to kind of do the same operation on so we can give extra context of like, you know, why is it this thing? trending? Well, because, you know, a lot of this thing can be

an expert in everything. And there are things that come up here, and I think, oh, there's a bug or what is that weird thing? And then nobody is wrestling or it's something else that I'm not, you know, this not in my wheelhouse. Okay, so that's, that's interesting, because on the on the app, you don't get I didn't see the news. I don't guess

that's in there. It's good for screenspace. That's true. You know, the app is something that we need to circle back to, and I think probably needs a complete rewrite. Most of our development, attention has been on the website. So question, since we're kind of talking about stats and stuff to bring it back to that. And I have another idea about this for later. Would it be helpful if you could get maybe it's a 1% split that you could get from a number of podcasts that would send to you so that

you could do more precise tracking? I mean, we're talking about all the stats right and what is really, I mean, download Some partials and range requests and everything. Whereas I look at the get Alby stats, I'm gonna like, okay, of the people that are used listening to my podcast and value for value, which, whatever that number is, here's, here's the, this is actual listens per minute. Wouldn't that be, like a fantastic data

source? And I mean, I could see where, I mean, I've put us percent split in there, so that you can do some stuff with that. And it just seems like such an obvious thing. And you contribute to the to the service, who's providing the stats? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, maybe that could be something that would sort of jive with the with the LP three stuff. But yeah, we track actually every 10 seconds. So as people

listen, so that's helpful for our own internal usage. But right, you know, it's still it's kind of bias to what people are listening to on IV. Right. I was just thinking that when an opportunity, you know, or maybe there's so many cool services, we can do. I mean, I was, what is that? Someone posted to this open source transcription software, which apparently does okay, like 85 90% accuracy? Every day, I think. Yeah. I mean, the Whisper, whisper. Yeah, whisper

Yeah. So Well, I mean, if I, if I haven't, I think if I were a developer, I might possibly say you don't want to set up a service here. And you get your transcript in return for a split. Done. Okay, this just fits into something. So I had a phone call with the guy yesterday and guy about a thing, a guy, a guy. And we were talking about this about transcripts and chapters, in a way, too, because they have some ideas for for providing transcripts and chapter services.

And the discussion really, kind of stalled because we were think we were just brainstorming, how you could link up these things between a hosting company and, and the third party service. So you have a third party service is going to provide you let's just say transcripts. Well, and then you got a hosting company where the podcaster is going to create their episode, they pumped they they launch, they record their episode, upload it to the host, publish

it. Now you've got now they want to use this third party service to do their to do their transcript. And the idea is that you would have the ability to post an episode, and then just do nothing. Like you're you're done. You don't have the story. Yeah, no. Three, has the transcript automatically generate on this third party service? Yeah. Then no, then somehow let the hosting company know that it's finished. And then it gets pulled into the RSS of the episode.

Well, like that's, you could make an integration. There's some sort of API back and forth integration, but you know, integrations break and, and who knows if this is much of a moneymaker. And like, things like that, there are things out there like the like that in that category of, of a want to do.

There are things out there like that, that I feel like there's needs to be some sort of loose connectivity between between parts almost like, because everything is decentralized, and you want to maintain the decentralization towards decentralized nature. You sort of also want to decentralize the connectivity between things, I want to be able to say, well, here's my, here's my podcast, over at over at blueberry. Yeah. And here's

my hosting, here's my transcript company I want to use. And then here's my chapters company, I don't want to use, which is another one. And I want to like, link all this stuff together, where it all works. But I don't want to require that the hosting companies and these other two companies all do a bunch of back

end API integration. There's got to be a solution to this. And I feel like I haven't told you a little bit about pod pain, meaning, I don't know if all the solutions need to come from the hosting companies. No, I mean, I mean, there's slugs, there's all kinds of things that I mean, hosting companies. No, it's, I think any

hosting company can see just look at the namespace. There's your roadmap, choose which order you want to do it in, and how and how and for them, I think the way Buzzsprout does, it makes the most sense. And others do it, of course, is you know, contract out to a transcription service. I mean, now I think we

got Rube Goldberg machine. What I'm talking about is I don't have a hosting service or just whatever whatever it is, but even if I have a hosting service, and here's a here's a cool add on that I don't really have to involve my hosts In service with at all. Okay, perfect example here op three perfect example because op three exists. It's not going to be a moneymaker. I mean, it's not in

desperately not as intense is intent. So but you want people to be able to use it without having to email their hosting company and ask them to integrate like, there needs to be see what I'm saying there? Yeah feels like there needs to be you're you're trying to fix a problem that you can't fix, we can in some cases, like the shim for the value block. Again, a centralized solution for really a distributed problem.

Yeah, it will, you know, it feels like there ought to be some sort of protocol, linkage protocol, where, where two parties can can do a thing together without having to create API integrations, and do a bunch of work like that, where I can, where eyes, the end user can say, Okay, I've got this service. And I've also got this other service. I'm making a link between them myself. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, that's not that's not always good. That's not always going to be possible hosting companies are in different stages of development. Yeah, so I'm just talking generally, I'm not trying to solve for the hosting company's business, or anybody's business, I guess. But I like I like the idea that a new servers could be set up

and how that integrates. I mean, I mean, it, I don't know, somehow just felt to me, like, there's, there's gotta be a way to do it, this transcription service someone, you can run it yourself, which, you know, I'm looking, I could probably run this myself, it would take me a day, and like, I'm not gonna do that. I got to do other stuff. But if someone said it up and said, Okay, I can take, you know, X amount of clients, and,

you know, here's your slug, or whatever. And then, you know, we we just need to just point it to this, and that's where your transcript will be. Now, that would be cool. I mean, that I would give up honored for that, you know, no problem. And maybe that's, maybe I'm special special. Because I, I use, I'm spoiled because of sovereign

feeds. I'm a spoiled brat. Yes. See, that's what we were talking about in the call yesterday, it's like, well, you know, we can do this so easily, because we control the feed, but like 90% of podcasters not they don't have this luxury now, and they're not, you know, that there's been something like that also applies to, to like you with IV Mike. I mean, like, you have this ability to with your in with your engine to extract

all this. All the keywords and tokens and people and you've you've got all this information, somebody may want to hook into to your service. And like pay you to be able to pull that stuff out and put it into their podcast as recommendations or some some other thing. Like, there might be some linkage in the future there. If we can sort of crack this nut is this where that that? I'm sorry, go answer that. Mike. I'm sorry. I just

jumped in front, just as being rude. Yeah, definitely. We're definitely looking to open up the beyond the UI and make it make API calls for all this stuff. So that somebody could hook in? Yeah, because because you can imagine the podcasts are wanting recommendations on what, you know, what keyword should I use? What, what's the keyword? What's the volume on those? Like, how many other people are talking about this? And who else is

talking about this? And we could tell you that in in almost real time? Yeah, it'd be cool. Isn't this? Isn't this where that LSAT comes in? Isn't LSAT meant for this? Is anybody using LSAT is? Yeah, I think I get a read on it. But you know, Well, Dave, we picked up on on key sand, which nobody was using, and we turned it into a powerhouse true. I just don't I don't know I've always hear you always hear oh, you should use LSAT, but then I'm not I don't see anybody

doing it. But we could give it a shot. I mean, the the really boils down to for me is what what is making podcasts and 2.0 work and and I want to hear Mike I want to hear your opinion on this is obviously there's Hey, there's features, we have hundreds of 1000s of feeds now using these new features. So there's content to be consumed. And you know, this data is just

sitting there. And as a developer, by the way, Apple should be embarrassed of themselves, that they haven't implemented at least one of one one piece of the namespace because I know that They know the developers, I'm sure the team feels generally embarrassed that they cannot even keep up with, you know, with, with the simplest of of web apps that are just showing more data from podcasts, and they just can't do it. I mean, I know that they will, Apple will implement namespace tag tags for sure.

But the scriptable money part, that's the part that brings it all together. Because even if you, even if you're not in this for money, and most of us aren't, just seeing those those bits, you're part of the network or the physical network is a payment going, people are sending value, you're getting it, you're receiving it, that's exciting. And there's always the possibility that this will grow. And lots of people will do it.

And it's, you know, all trends point that way. But it's when you really stop and think about scriptable money, how that solves so many of these problems. That's why I keep coming back to LSAT. It's worth a shot. Yeah, it's worth I want to try to explain it what it is. LSAT, if understand LSAT is is a token that you get this like a got a lifetime. It's like a, like a macaroon kind of is is not? I think it's good. Yeah. And then allows you to enter to interact with an API. And it's a

way to get like, the predefined you're charging for the API. For for access is to sort of like Open Graph, and I think pod chaser does something. Yeah, it's like this HTTP, HTTP plus macaroons plus lightning. That's alright. So you set your permissions, you set that, and it works on the old, what is it? The the error of the error code? Was it 402 payment required? That's the HTTP spec.

But that was a hack. And we had long discussions with, with some guys there in Austin, about how to use it and that kind of thing to begin with, it ended up not being, like I'm doing right from year one, right for us, because we want to do it in a charged API. But that, I mean, it's us, there may be time to revisit that it could, it could, it could be an interesting play,

worth thinking about. Because you authenticate, you know, and then there's a payment and you can, you know, totally set that, you know, it's like, Okay, for this or for this particular transaction, this kind of transaction, this length of whatever. There's, like, another thing, in Mike, you're getting your training data, or some some of your, in

the sort of seed data from Apple. And this is the thing that's really been on my mind a lot lately is, is we have to have, a lot of a lot of people end up doing that, because it is a is a reliable source of data. But just like the directory, it's, it's all centralized in this one gigantic company. And, you know, as big as Apple podcast is, it's also not necessarily representative, the representative of the whole world,

either. I mean, like, the thing is, you look around and you see, within every app, you're gonna see, you're gonna see their particular flavor of trending shows. So if you if you open up overcast, you're gonna see a lot of shows like accidental tech, irreconcilable differences of people in that sphere of the relay FM Mac world, that's always going to be at the top, because they are heavy. And that

group is heavy users of that app. Same with the podcasting 2.0 apps, you're gonna see, if you open up pod verse a breeze, you're gonna see podcasting people, no, no agenda, pod news at the top of those lists. You go into Apple, you're gonna see a lot of NPR and a lot of that can. So it would be really helpful if there was if there was a distributed system or some protocol to get

trending data from the hosting companies themselves. So like rss.com, transistor, blueberry, Buzzsprout, Captivate, they could all they could all publish maybe to us, like completely anonymized just lists, and, you know, numbers. It's not like, you know, they can just publish whatever they want. They're like, Okay, here's, here's the shows. Here's some public listing of shows that we think are important. Who the hell even knows what I mean?

Like they don't even have to be like, some kind of rancor where it's like these are the most popular or these are trending. They can be whatever they want. I mean people in their hosting company, people, their customers

could pay them and to be on these lists, I don't care. But just some sort of way to have a broad D decent draws not coming from a single source not coming from a single app, way of aggregating a bunch of this, a bunch of this data together so that apps like IV can pull that in from from the decentralized network, and not be realized so reliant on one source like Apple, I think that's a good idea. So far are we get from Apple is

just like their ratings and reviews. And that's how we can kind of extrapolate that into what's what's popular and what's not. But I think the Opie three stuff before, that's where I kind of asked in the in the Macedon, you know, what if all the players just put that prefix on everything?

Because then I think that does get get sort of what you're talking about, where you'd have sort of an open list of what's popular, and it wouldn't be biased towards any one particular source, especially if lots of players would do this. I think I think you'd really be able to see amazing stuff. And then you'd be able to see what people that listen to this one, listen to that one, you could kind of make those connections, you'd have to do some pruning the the VPN example that you

gave us a really good one. So you have to be a little bit careful not just kind of take it without looking at it. But I think there's a lot of a lot of possibility there. Yeah, I think I think that that's a really good use of this data. I'm really liking that idea. All in all in on that. Oh, yeah. All in, of course. I mean, just when it comes, if we continue down the road of what is unique, what is this? What is that? It's death. I mentioned this, there was a question optimistic. The

podcaster might not want this available. And so maybe there'll be like an opt out or something. But I think if you if you did it from the standpoint of an opt out, instead of an opt in, in, you would get the data that you need pretty fast. Yeah. Which, which will require an eight slack threads for four months of

everyone agreeing that that's good or bad. Well, so everybody, including, including John Spurlock has been saying that, you know, no, the podcaster should control this, the podcaster should control this. No, I'm not so sure. I'm just I'm not. I'm not saying that. I disagree. Let me let me just preface that strongly by saying that when I say I'm not sure, I truly mean, I don't know, I'm

still trying to figure out where I fall on that. Because if if, if a bunch of apps did what you what you mentioned, and you, you know, Steven Bell mentioned this as well. He was like, you know, always put this prefix on everything. Well just look at it. Well, I mean, I can under a definitely understand the sentiment of podcasters may not want their numbers to be public.

You know, but I haven't I'm not sure we've really fully thought out sort of the ethical landscape of what that means that may not be as cut and dried as well, that we think the question is, for what reason is, is public, and the only thing the industry has ever focused on is Rancors. And CPMs. I will say that, I think John Spurlock was correct, but he

wasn't entirely correct to undo what was on pod land. He said, Well, you know, having stats used to be the unique selling proposition for the hosting companies now it still is, we have the best stats, we have the most accurate stats, we have the it hasn't quite transitioned yet to. We have all the podcasts and 2.0 features and maybe maybe stats is still what what you sell people on. And I think there's a genuine fear by hosting companies to

give that up might be that might be their secret sauce. You know, the interface though. Excuse me, they will still get to have like their interface so they can still sell like we have the best stats interface and we can do interesting things with that data the best I you know what, I can't speak on their behalf. I'll bet you they're all laughing at us right now even talking about it, because we

don't know what we're talking about. But I hear the passion that Todd puts into his his whole being when he's talking about the stats, and there's a lot of love and hurt behind that to get to where he's comfortable with what they're doing. But they laugh at us every week anyway. In the hell yeah. Like the I think, I guess Okay, here's something to flesh this out a little bit more. It's kind of coming to me. It's becoming more clear as I hear this discussion.

I think it may be okay in this instance, because, like, the hosting company is still the first party. Download and measure. It always will be so the hostess Let's just say this is we're talking to Mrs. Todd is so vocal about stats let's let's take blueberry, blueberry is still going to get, they're going to get all the stats. They're gonna get everything no matter where it's played, regardless because it always because they're the source of the audio.

If, if apps like IV, curio cast or pod verse, if if apps like that, let's just say we get 567 podcasts into porno apps. To implement this, it's going to be obvious that this is not a complete picture of the stats. So it's not going to be an issue where people are like, You've made my stats public? Well, no, no, because you're not if if 90% of your plays are on Apple podcasts or Spotify, these stats are irrelevant. They're

not even close to being accurate. And everybody understands that they're not going to be even close to being accurate. Dave, good luck with that. It's, it's the programming is too deep. I feel you. I think I agree with you. I'm like, I'm not gonna die on that hill, getting people to allow podcast apps to put a prefix now know that they're gonna ruin their everyone's gonna ruin their business. It's so it's so it stats have become such a protected thing.

Now, it's like, this is your gold. This is how you get money to grow your show to have higher stats to get money. No, you're so Scottish. Right now. You're from the highlands. It's not gonna have whiskey before the show. It's not gonna happen. Well, if that is there to get an ad, you're probably right. I give up easy. You're probably right. That's, well, in that case, hosting companies. Give us give us opens give us some open netstat. So give us open open rankings give us open list? No.

I mean, what I think I want it for the index. Yes, no, I understand how, darling believe me, believe me, I know you want data data. title of the show data hor. Dave, the data whore DDS, D where it proudly, son? Yeah, this should be like, Would you like to send anonymous stats to the OP three open project. So we can so we can add to the data to make podcasting better. And by the way, I would like to receive from somebody a definitive list of benefits that I can get for doing that.

So while you and and John Spurlock are all Jeezy and JD about about the data, I'm like, Okay, well, I got five different numbers, I got a chart. It's cool to see people wake up on Monday, and then they start to download. But I mean, it's not going to affect my programming. It's not going to. I'm not, not once in my life, even though I've created I've funded creation of stats within my own companies. I've never gone back and said, Okay, what happened at this moment? Oh, I'm going to do

more of that. It's a lie. Okay, I'm just going to say it. I've said it myself a million times. You know, we have the booster grams at timestamp. Now in Alby, I'm like, Oh, so cool. Now you can find out exactly what you were saying when the booster gram came in. You know what it doesn't work? Because you have to go back. Well, the boosted Graham came in, it's usually unrelated to the topic at that moment, timeline. So you wind up not doing it. You say, Well, was it

me? There's really, it's fun. I like to know the overall trend, where people like a no agenda were the stats that we have, you could see the drop off first donation segment, and then a number of people, you know, a significant portion coming back. That's fun to see. But I've seen that before. From the apple player stats. What else is there that's really going to excite me other than it's enough to get ads. Seriously, oh, look how many people are listening to me from

Colorado? Yeah. Or look how many people are listening to me in Japan? That's exciting. Yeah, in 1993 serious look seriously. At of all the shows that publish, and there's so many of them now. I mean, 110,000 over the last three days, 110,000 podcasts have published an episode over the last 10 days 246,000 Out of all those shows, attacked us not tiny but a very small number of those shows truly care about making money.

They do like they do like status. They just they do want people to know that people are listening. That's all they really care about. Right? Okay, everybody want everybody wants to know that they that they're kind of being heard and being listened. So is it gives you that excitement. Okay, so let me let me tell you a story. Let me tell you a story about a woman I know, gonna climb up on your knee.

So I've been working with this guy, this Belgian guy who I we have a mutual friend who's a entertainer in, in the Benelux and he's you can you can see what my buddy is doing. And he started this thing called 100%. Retro and it's a live radio station, it only available on stream, then he's done quite a lot of work in the global nature of it by hiring people all across the globe in different time zones. And he's done. This comes from kind of trickery to

the playlists. So during drive time in the US, you won't get some, you know, some weird song maybe that's in a different language. But he has Israel, South Africa, England, New York, Los Angeles, and if anybody's got Kim Wilde doing shows for him and Ben libram mixes and so and he's shelling out a lot of money. And so he's getting ready to start implement his advertising, which means he has to you know, look at how many streams darts do you get? And I and I'm not I'm not compensated,

I have no stock or anything. I just like the guy. So once every couple of weeks, you know, we talk on a Friday for an hour, I talked to him this morning. And I said, Well, I think we're close enough I'm going to put you into into podcasting 2.0

Live. And so I whipped up literally this morning whipped up a little a little feed in sovereign feeds, and I threw his stream URL in there I opened up an Albea wallet connected that in the value block, but a bing bada boom and, and so so we get on the Zoom, call the video call and say okay, here, here's curio Kassar. And I was showing him because I was doing you know, screenshare and I but also showed him on camera. The same

with POD verse. Thank you very much, Mitch and everybody for rushing like mofos to get that done. And I kind of follow is a great little demo. And he's a friendly guy, but I'm just trying to promote this concept. And so you know, curio cast, you look for 100% with a percent sign retro. Yeah, and it pops up and hit live. And the chat works and the wallet works. And then and so I'm saying okay, now look at Albie, and he's looking at Albie at the live and you know, this

thing is just spurt and confetti everywhere. Show and 200 SATs a minute streaming and I'm showing the booster grams. He's tripping out he says some people are sending money right now just for listening. So yeah, man, that's the whole part, the whole beauty of it. But you can also just look at the trend of who's listening when they're listening. And he thought that

was spectacular. So that's so much better than the stream starts because you know, in the streaming radio model, they also have all kinds of bullcrap numbers, and they still can't get it all exactly right. With streams, so they do stream starts, okay, partial downloads, range requests. No, but when you have an actual payment going from A to B, doesn't matter what the number is. I mean, as I said, we had like, what do we have on our get Alby? It was like 57 people streaming

SATs at that moment in time. That's, that's super exciting. And it happens from the moment you launch. I just sent him 1000 says, got to the 100% Retro live stream so I got really distracted as we were getting everything set up but I want I have it in as a clip and pod verse and I want to I'll just hit play and hopefully it's very risky. But I don't know exactly if it has all the pieces in there I want but I was

it was my hate. Listen. The liberal intellectual elites Kara Swisher and Professor Scott, Scott Galloway, who got their got their feet hijacked by the way. They got their feet hijacked by the new the New York time when they left. They she went in to some other I guess she took she went to some Wall

Street Journal. Is that where she went? She went to some of the places left in New York Times verge sway large sway laws in New York tie, and she left her feet behind and they converted they just took her feet and converted it into a different show. They actually she mentioned they were going to do that. Yeah, evidently she was not happy about well, it wasn't hers to take with her. It wasn't her field. So no, all right,

well, whatever. So they have on Jessica Yellin Who I guess she was a mainstream news reporter very season she's been around and she started a the while she's I started a media company but she really is doing a lot Podcast. And it may be video as well. But I think it's audio called news not noise. And it's become extremely popular. And I'm not sure exactly if it's all on this clip, but she was talking about the weight, you know, because of course, like

why do you make money on this on this podcast? And, and she's? Well, we'll see if her answers in here. Hold on CNN where he used to work is pushing, you know, and again Chris Cuomo is at this news nation, which is a project. Is that the right direction? Do you see more of this? audiences? You know, yeah. Kara Swisher sounds almost exactly like Hillary Clinton. Say millio Baby, say million? Tell me I'm wrong. Boy, that sounds really close. I thought that was Hillary Clinton as a

guest. Sorry, what do you think my startup does that Hillary Clinton? It sounds like it to me. I'm not sure if this bit is in here. But she says she makes money from she has partnerships, which means like brand advertiser, she has. She gets payments from some of the platforms. So I presume this like YouTube or whatever. And she also takes donations. And I'm not sure if she says it in this clip, because it's more

about what Scott Galloway says. But she at one point said she really wished she had started earlier with donations from the audience. Now hopefully it's in this clip Fox is only growing with their anger machine, their persistent rage machine? Well, I

think the answer is yes, I do think it will work. And it will keep audiences I think that you have to shift your expectations when I was growing up, and I watched CNN, you know, in the Tiananmen Square moment, and it was just the centerpiece of the world to me, CNN drew huge eyeballs at major events, and accepted that they would get less audience in between. It also became a place where you could actually reach independence and swing voters, which is enormously valuable and

profitable, right, you can charge more for that. So I do think there's a space for that. I think, listen, when I started on Instagram, I was one of the only people doing what I do. But now there's a bazillion people telling you what matters in the world all outraged and, you know, dancing and screaming about how awful this party is or that so there's plenty of left right content out there. And I think there is a whitespace sort of that attracts the people who feel a little homeless right now.

And I don't know, you know, exactly how CNN is going to execute on that. But I think that Chris Licht in particular has a track record of making very watchable TV, and people should just give him a moment to do it. Yeah, Scott, last question. What advice would you have if you, you started this new media company, and you've done it yourself? What would advice would you give to somebody who's wants to start a media company? That's news centered here? What mediums

would you use? Business model? It sounds like you've already said go right to I mean, is it fair to call it tipping? I don't know what you call like the the telegraph model of the Guardian model. What advice you're starting to sort of clean slate, how would you do it? I like this. Tipping the telegraph model, the Guardian model with Guardian has a model now. I mean, Dane is just dripping off with him. When he says tipping

fig. Let's just roll that back. It was so nasty how he said that, but she actually has a great comeback, very watchable TV, and people should just give him a moment to do it. Yeah, Scott, last question. What advice would you have? If you you started this new media company like yourself? What would advice would you give to somebody who's wants to start a media company? That's news centered? When mediums would you use business model? It sounds like you've already said go

right to I mean, is it fair to call it tipping? I don't know what you call like the the telegraph model or the Guardian model? What advice you're starting this with a clean slate? How would you do it differently? I guess I would start with platform outside of any of the current social media platforms, and consistently drive to your own website, or your own newsletter, or whatever the thing is, you're doing outside the algorithms from day one. Have super high numbers.

And just really focus in on what the audience is responding to. And continue to deliver that. It's this conversation. I think, you know, everybody poopoo is web three, or where's it going? But the thing that I find interesting about web three is it's this ongoing, circular conversation. And I do think conceptually, that's where the media needs to go. And those are the businesses that will really excel because we are sorting into sort of I call it not like minded but like valued

communities, and so lean into that. Yeah, that's absolutely, that's too bad. Because before that she she actually, you know, she went through this whole rap like if I had known what now what I knew then I would have started right away with the audience, but she's saying the same thing we're talking about. It's like it's a circle. You know, it's a loop, you know, the donation the booster grams, that's the loop. Which so you You're, you're saying that we are a like valued

community? I would rather rip off my nuts than ever describe us is that mission accomplished but in their world in their worlds? Yeah. Yeah, like valued community. Yeah, I think that makes sense. Okay as an app as an app, Mike, what, you know, you've you've constructed this, this system that pulls out all these relevant bits, and it does a really good job of it. The thing that's sort of missing, I guess, per step two would be pulling in, like taking signals from the from the listener

as to what you know, to that. So you have the circular thing there is that what may be already doing that? What and how does that how would that fit in? Yeah, I think that would make everything a lot better. Wait, now, because of the data that we have available? All we can really use is sort of the supply of podcasts. And so we can see, like, how many have this? How

many podcasts have this or how many episodes have this. But yeah, having that sort of listening data, or even just the download data is as messy as that is, would help us a lot. Yeah, that'd be what do you do you trigger off that at all right now? Or he's purely just like, the the content side, you're taking all your signals from that from the content itself? Right now? It's all from the content itself.

Okay. Oh, does that mean that? I guess the the, you know, this, there's a big if there's a theme of what we're talking about in general today. I mean, really, it really is like how to get how to get a better signal from, from the, from the audience, from from listeners. And from the in from the hosting, like, how to how to get better quality signal in here so that everybody is, you know,

there's this, this stupid idea of, of discoverability. Where, where's that it's just something I'm not that concerned about. But it does, like, if there's the word of mouth idea, which is still king within podcasting, like that word of, I feel like that word of mouth idea can be converted into an actual signal that, that apps and an index and everything that we can all pick up on, except it can't be done with clips and clips. I like I like where you're going, how about I connect my podcast or my

listening wallet, to a data, dump wherever. So that you can at least I'm perfect, I'd be perfectly happy to show you my category one of payments, which is the streaming data, I'd be more than happy to send that to, which you know, I know how that comes in is a lot of nice data in that I'll send that to to Opie three or to IV or you know, someone who's, who's going to be open with it. Now, I think now you're talking about it. Now you're talking.

Listening to I will send my listening date. I'm happy to do it. I'm going to make that make that a box in the app. And you know, I don't want booster grams going all over the place even though they do kind of but not the message is just just the amounts just show Yeah, well, not not even the messages. No, I'm talking about. Look, it can be Yeah, I don't want my messages going all over the place. I just think that's Miss No, I don't I would want

to look it's all open. It doesn't matter. Make it selectable, you can do only streams boosts whatever however you want to do it. I'd be that was kind of where I was going early. I'd be happy to put in a 1% You know, if if, by doing that I get recommendations back. Well, you know, this guy over here listens to the same podcast you listen but he also listens to her. So why don't you check this

out? I mean, that's something I think is fantastic data and bypass and the users can can bond together and make it happen we don't necessarily need anybody else. That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking it's not like and there's no algorithm in between it's just it's you know what this is this is it's just like share your OPML it is exactly share your OPML only done with money plays Oh on am Paula. Yeah, it's share your lightning is what

that is Chain Lightning. That's it. Chain Lightning. Lightning. So you know And, and I would do that. Okay, so IV, you you said you're working, Mike you're working on, on putting in value for value, right? That's right. Yeah. Mitch has an open source to JavaScript file where you kind of take this blob and drop it on the page, and then the JavaScript just turns it into the form. So we demonstrated some experiments with that. And that was super helpful in bootstrapping that.

Because if you had, if, if you admit, I made a modification to that library, where I could choose to make my to, like, share my boost data out, hit that check box in a heartbeat. Yeah, I would share it back out, share, share it, you know, I mean, you you obviously already have it, so you'll start getting those signals immediately. But like, I mean, I'd share that with the world. I've been a lot of people would, where should

Where should it live? I mean, the interesting thing, Dave, we have that data. Do we? Yeah, we get 1%. On the Endo. Yeah. Yeah. The index literally has this data. It's funny that I didn't realize this. I mean, why am I this? Guest? We don't have to develop anything in a meeting adjourned everybody beautiful work. We have data not shady, this is how not shady we are that we didn't even know. So son get to importing into into MySQL. I'm on the dip. I got it. Get that thing? And what's that?

What's that? That platform that? Gosh, a lot of my ex employees went there. Or my old employees went there. The it's like this huge flat, flat database concept. You can then they sell it to companies throw all your data in there and they can dig out whatever you want. lunk Splunk? Yes, this Blanc, it will throw it all this will put it on a big Splunk. Yeah. No, not do that. But think but think about what we could extract anonymize. But you can because you can hash the user names or whatever.

Like that can be up for debate how we do that, but it doesn't really matter. You know, make that available. And you know, do the query or whatever it is, whatever it is, make it available so that people can then connect. Okay, this person's listening, you know, like IV connect, this person's listening to this podcast and this podcast, other people listen to that one. So check this out. This may interest you. I mean, that's that's the basic

idea of recommendation, isn't it? Interesting. Net, you've distracted me from op three, this is a success. You've you've successfully distracted me away from my work is done here. Yes, yes, it would also tell you, one thing we see a lot of is people click on a button to kind of going back to the how you opened it, people click on a podcast, listen to it, maybe they're

like, Oh, this isn't for me and close it quickly. And so you would sort of this would get it that that you made them a bad recommendation, maybe even really bad because they they wasted some of their time on it, versus having them listen to the whole thing. So that as as in terms of like, what, what's your, you know, when you're, if you're training a model on that, what's your objective function, that will be like a bad output, or outcome? If they if they only list a little bit of it? I mean,

make it in this data set in some available in some way, Dave? I mean, the ML AI guys would be Jide. I mean, think about what you can then go to amounts. Okay. So, which typically I don't care about, but in this case, you can see, well, this person who provides a lot of value back, you know, in doesn't provide any value to this, you know, so is that a weighting

system? You know, can you then weigh populaire popularity when there's a lot of things you can do to just try and get some some general behavioral information, but something that we can immediately turn around and hand back to the people, to the people, not to the government and not to creepy corporations, which 100% of them are to people to you know, do something that will benefit them, make their lives better recommend a podcast, find people who listen

to the saying, Can you imagine that? Would you like to connect with people who also listen to this podcast? Well, you can send them you can send them a message. Oh, yeah. And it's completely anonymous because I don't know who I'm sending it to, but they'll receive and send it to their Alby wallet. I mean, I can do this is what I can do all day long. Well, this is this obviously needs to be a week a new weekly, massive, massive dorms.

Yeah, with this, this could be another this could be a week, another weekly massive dump where we just a non memorize everything and you know it may be that we take this is probably the best idea. Take Take the messages out, take the take the username, hash the user names and then take the don't use the original numerology amounts use the post the post deduction access fee deduction that way you can't reverse like reverse people here see like 1,000,021 12 coming from me that

day right right right. They did dumps they call them dumps big massive dumps this this is this is this show is full of massive dump so we got some really it was like a few people since we're a buck 21 Right now I'd like to start with some of the booster grams that have come in. Oh my goodness pre show. Let's see. So we got here 17,776 From blueberry lavish and I went to I went to a convention recently and ran into a gentleman who runs both a heavy metal podcast and a radio stream. I got his

contact reach out to him about PC two. Oh, is there any resources guides written for introducing streaming sites to radio streams? Or is it the same setup as icecast? Well, to go take a look at the at the feed for 100% retro and you can get it in today. Perfect. It fired right up for me and I was able to boost it and I saw your booths coming. Loving the stream you said? Macintosh short roadex 2222 Shout outs to the best podcast 2.0 in the universe go podcast day go podcast.

Martin Linda's code rush boost 2112 Satoshis very much. Chimp 13,579 What did you eff up? What I effed up as I forgot to email Mike. That's what I effed up. Because everything was listening before we started the stream. Another 13 579 from chimp I wish they could all be Indiana girls, you know it. There's another 930 from Martin Lindis Koch, David Lee and Daniel J. Dave Lee and Daniel J. Lewis started the international podcast a great initiative. Okay, I didn't know that. Okay,

so just made it up. Cool. Jingle Bells Oh, this is blueberry 11,111 Jingle Bells Apple smells I heart laid an egg Okay. Sir Spencer 42,069 Happy International podcast day to the whole board. Lauren and I want to invite everyone to get lit with us. For bowls with buds this Sunday directly following no agenda we're talking to Bitcoin air. Author Eric yanks about his book The seventh property Bitcoin and the monetary revolution. Nice part of hat one a one on one. Thank

you. Hi, I've had Bhoomi Hey there Bhumi 2100 coming in from pod verse. See we have primitive one with 104,000 SATs. Add that in there and says deduce me or I mean keep up the great work podcasting to porno and impending pimps will change free

entertainment forever free as in freedom. I welcome all the check out the live podcast I do with my buddy chimp called Saturday night lit with Bitcoin only and 2.0 compliant but not yet certified cough cough show starts at 8:30pm Eastern time on your favorite live compatible podcast player or stream dot audio ghost dot Miami. Yes, we're from Miami. If you are to get in touch fellow Swamp Thing. Okay. Jad F 3333. No note 6969 from Spencer any node runners who are still experiencing all

these ongoing woes. I presume lightning nodes I want to suggest running your node in hybrid mode with Tor and clear net using a VPS via tunnel sats.com Boy Oh, do they have a great guide and I got mine up on Raspbian raspy blitz in about six minutes if anyone has any questions hit me up on podcast index dot social happy to troubleshoot with you. Very nice. Eric p p 25,000. Sats the best stats are SATs he says. So right you are then we have. Let's see. That's it. That's that's the last one

we've had come in. From the from the live show. Thank you all very much for providing us value. And we've been following along in the chat room. Nice. See everybody there. Are you I couldn't tell. Are you on Android? Mike? Yes, we had a little administrative issue with them. But we're back up on Android, Android and iOS. What was the administrative issue? There was something we had to like log in and do something and every so often and We get our stats through an alternate means. And so they

thought we were inactive. So they ended the developer accounts with the RE redo. It was kind of a pain. How much does it? Yeah, that so you lost all your I guess you lost all your reviews all your downloads? Ah. Oh my goodness. So you want to F Droid or is it just on the Google Play Store? It's on the Google Play Store? Yeah. Okay. Is F droid, does it have to be open source to be on F droid? Or is that just alternative store? Straight up? No, I don't think it has to be open source, does

it? I don't think so. Okay, I'm not sure. Are you? Mike? Are you what technology you're using? Do you like React Native? Or is it a native app? How's that? How's that work? It is flutter. It's that was were kind of a nice, right at once and deploy it

both? Yeah. Flutter is really like, I keep my My instinct is to discount it as a, you know, because here's, it's not because of anything they did is, it's just that we've seen so many of these things that have come and been cross platform, you know, mobile, right once run anywhere things and they always are like a flash in the pan. But flutter seems to really be sticking around. I mean, like it seems to have staying power, this may be the first one that really has kind of stuck the landing.

It was it's a little bit takes a little bit to get used to. But it wasn't it wasn't so bad. Once you kind of get in there. There are some things that I wish I would have known. I think this is the first flutter app I built. And so I think there were like fundamental ways of constructing the app that we need to fix in terms of, you know, to get the lock screen controls and integrate with Car Play and that sort of thing. But that's why I'm thinking at some point, probably in the next, I

don't know, I don't want to put a date on it. But next few months, I'd love to just kind of redo the the native component of this, we really focus almost exclusively on the data itself. And, you know, merging these things together, when they're synonyms and just just doing a lot of that kind of work. I think it's time to come back and work on the UI. So do you have? So how often do you have to drop out of flutter and go down to like a swift thing? Or the underlying OS level API's to get

something done? Is it is it rare? Or is it common? How's that work? So far? It's been pretty rare. Pretty, pretty well, I think it was Android, it had to do something weird. But yeah, it's actually been pretty nice. The the libraries that are available for audio are not bad. So I've been pretty happy with it actually. Did they just call the underlying OS provided libraries? Or do they have

actual audio engines that are themselves? It's my understanding that they all interact with the existing native components. Okay. And that seems to be like that. There's no that's not real buggy. It seems to work. Okay. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Okay. But I mean, everybody know, a lot of people using it, they need that anytime player uses it breeze, uses flutter, I think fountain uses flutter if I'm not mistaken. I mean, like, it seems to be, it seems to be the way to go.

Because the reality is writing a native app, like, you know, keeping track of two native code bases at the same time, and plus a web code base. That's a mess, man. I mean, you need a whole team of people to do that. So I'm glad that I'm glad that flutter exists. Because, I mean, the promises of that in the past have been very, pretty hollow. But it seems like this is actually legit.

Long ago, I worked for an insurance company, and we saw a competitor do something I was like, Oh, we could do that in PhoneGap. And no problem. I could do that in a month. And it turned out that one critical component was missing. And I worked like 20 hours a day for that month and make sure I hit the deadline. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's been so many promises that have gone home, you know, going empty over the years of cross platform, but I mean, that honesty is was the language. Is it this Dart? I

guess, right. It is Dart? Yeah. Okay. And is that is that it looks? I don't want to say it looks sort of JavaScript D. But yeah, but not if you know, JavaScript, you'll you'll pick it up in no time. Okay. Because I mean, is it is it typed is it I don't I know nothing about Dart is it's like everything is a widget so everything is sort of nested inside itself.

But you know, I think I think once you know, one language and the, you pretty much can can can punch through and do you know any other language pretty much okay, so that's what you're talking about earlier, when you said you were gonna like do a ground up rewrite of, of the mobile apps is because You've learned some stuff now that you did you, you've got technical debt, and you're gonna try to go and erase that.

Exactly, yeah, there's this, there's this technical debt that I think to fit, it'd be easier to kind of burn it down and start over than to then to try and fix it. And I think that would give us a lot of, you know, a lot of other things. Like just even basic things. Like my, my sister in law was like, Oh, we're not using your app because it isn't a 15 second skip and it's like well, like that's obvious easy thing that

we could add you know, even now without rewriting anything. But but it's like we need those kinds of table stakes features a new UI component because I think the dad is in a really good spot right now. And just like I said, getting those getting those UI things right, and then all the 2.0 stuff will go on there too. Oh, cool. Okay, shall we thanks some people DAVE Yes your

time to hang out Michael we do this. Absolutely. Okay. Yeah, I guess fate fails here we get we get Fiat and Fiat fun coupons fee us on coupons fountain slung some Thea fun coupons at $200 from Oscar in the gang over there fountain and we appreciate 20 This blades only him Paola. Paula. That's really how you do it. Don't go to the gas company. Send it to us. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Oscar. appreciate a lot of a lot of apps.

A lot of people use us even even a couple of bigger company non app related companies like media companies. I see them hidden API constantly, you know, pretty hard and they've never seen anything. They don't give a damn so no, it's always very appreciated when when somebody does that. Thank you Oscar. Interesting. The bigger the company gets the less they give a shit about you. Man. It's so true. John's Birla John's burlock

$200 Oh, crap 20 his blades on am Paula thank you man. Yeah, John says thanks for aggregating and aggravating and hunting down those podcasts dupes in the index You're welcome John. Love your project man love messing around with it. Yeah, always. Always fun. I always love it that you you led me down the rabbit hole I'm Adam is trying to de hypnotize me today your fix def clear the head $10 from Jesse Hunter. No note from Jessie but we appreciate that $10 Thank you Jesse.

That is that is it for some papers and we get some booster grams. Gene been 5000 says through cast thematic he says I'm starting up a new podcast called volunteer technologist and trying to do so utilizing the things y'all talk about. Pod ping via Buzzsprout op three dot Dev and LB Saturn. I'm really curious to see how these tools and others evolve. I love the

refocusing on openness. Thank you gene boost Thank you Karen for the memory this podcast gave us a big lower row of ducks 22 to 22 through fountain he said would make my year to come on the show Dave hit me up anytime you know the going rate is 50,000 SATs to be just missed it you just missed oh hey Mike. Mike, do you have an lb wallet or something so we can put you in the split for today's show? I do I can get that over to you. Yeah, if you email it to me then

if you can, you can do that as quick as you can. So I can pump it out right away and get you in the split. But appreciate that show you what real men do. Show your real man split. Oh no, that was wrong. I'm sorry. I didn't mean it that way. That's it just came out. That didn't mean it. Not things that are not a show title. Sorry. A real man. Yeah, Karen we'll definitely have you on the show card. Don't be so easy to play hard to get. Don't be a pushover

forged forged foe. Give us a row a row sticks. 11 111. He says go podcasting. Oh, thank you. Sir lurks a lot. Give us 5000 SATs to pod verse and he says you might consider that listeners are looking for a signal to help them find good podcasts. Well, we just talked about that a minute ago. Its provenance. Its provenance. leaderboards are useful because you can presume that as the show gets a lot of support, then maybe it is worth checking out.

I also really like clips as their listener curated samples. Discovery is a signal to noise problem for the listeners. These things help PS I'm not a podcaster just a podcast listener who loves podcasting. 2.0 go podcasting. Yeah, cool. Well, you just go podcast. You just learned that A lot of that could be coming. We're sucking out the data the the node, we're gonna suck out the node and dump into the DB. Sir Thank you sir. Looks a lot 5552 from Satoshi stream and he

just give us a smiley face. Oh. Another 5552 Three from Satoshi stream and he says, You interface is not live yet rebuilding everything would love to talk on PC 2.0 Once we're live eta quarter five. There'll be ready quarter five. We'll have you owning quarter six. will be ready for you. Yeah, we're ready. Yeah. 2100 SATs from Bhumi over at the Alby headquarters, through pod verse no note from Bumi and he gave us another 2100 Thanks. Thanks,

booming thanks, boom. George Orwell gave us a row as a little row of sticks. One. C. One 11 was thank you for your courage. Thank you. Roy scheinfeld. There he is. Different. Here's a different one though. This is not 543210. This is 44444. And he says it's my 44th birthday. Oh, happy birthday. Happy birthday, Roy. He was gonna ride the lightning with you. Happy Birthday Roy 40 Forbes Shut Up Baby. Baby. I didn't know. I didn't know he was that young bastard.

I hope you have a steak dinner. And excellent hummus on your birthday Roy show not to I think I missed it. Shana Tova. What does that mean? Happy Rosh HaShana. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. Okay. Roy came in again with 10,000 SATs and he says his messages podcast index.org Oh, I know. She's like, Well, I was only sent 44 I feel bad. Normally I send 54321 So that's a big. I'm a big advocate of guilt. Guilt. Guilt is good. Yes. We need more of that. 30 c 3333 from Debow. Deb Bo's de

Bozek through through fountain no note. Thank you. Thank you to Bozak LLC nannies 9780 through fountain from Boris Gazecki. Yeah, Boris kudelski. He says you asked about Polish zloty. Oh, he's got actual letters in here with like strikes through them and stuff. That's cool. Yeah, you asked about about Polish as Lottie. Once Lottie is 978 Satoshi, so I just send 10 zlotys Oh, not much. Not much but power in numbers. Starbucks coffee is about to 12 zlotys cool right. We have no euro but we are on

the European Union. On the podcast dot info we have registered over 7220 Polish language podcasts with RSS word podcasting in Polish means podcasts. Thanks for V for V international lifestyle that's cool. Very cool. Well, you know I would I would love to

I mean, it's just such a cool name. If the I'm sure that they'll do a CtbC as central bank digital currency of this is Lottie key imagine boosting someone in zlotys I mean that's just Oh man you need all over me so CSV didn't give us a good rundown he gave us an explanation. Hey, at least I knew of the existence of this Lottie Yeah Oh, you were all over as you show me as Lottie I'm all over the Polish language. Lots Z's lots of wise Yeah, lots of

strikes through letters. Yeah, don't like I was writing this. Oh, what I thought No, that's wrong. Lash striking out striking. SLC, sent as 8008 sets boob donation to fountain and he says pouring out SATs for Brianna. Jean Everett sent us a row of sticks 11111 He says mini boost boost CASP eland Hey Cass extend is 3699 He says listen Oh God, this is Dutch. Like liquor showed showed you the leg like like I showed you. That's the whole message now there's more. Hello. Oh,

did I just lose my internet? I hear you. Are you there? Okay, Dave. I know what happened. Do I know what happens on a second? Boot? Oh wait no no when the full freeze okay so like a show just so it's a great show which is really a little more endearing the wither away. Okay, it's great show really nice great show really great show. Yeah, like a like a show with you. Okay and then been dunked but dunk thanks for for for Julie work for your work. Okay, ju li e usually your your work

you usually usually W E rk is your work. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks for your thanks for your work. Licorice liquor shows you the dogs voor is usually work. Yeah, exactly. You can get laid in Amsterdam. Congratulations. That's that's the goal. Yes, promise. As long as we have a focus here, people. Okay, cast cast peeling says get get divorce back on board fund. 3690 said good luck. With that, yeah, it's gonna take more than

3697. From time to time, I'll say hey, you know, there's this place and you know, and it's a bank and we could have SATs go there or Bitcoin. And they actually put it directly into our bank account. He just ignores those emails. You won't even you won't even acknowledge I sent them. They go to spam, or whatever. Yeah, relaxed mails in his 22 to 22 big road dogs. And

he's so fountain. He says do have a question for you. Is there a site for the super newbie trying to use podcasting 2.0 A friend Amy is wanting to use this, but don't know where to start. And I'm not finding any place that has all the resources to be able to easily learn how to learn the how tos. Also, no sir the relaxed male is not a MGT O W Site, nor is it a red pill site. The relaxed male is a site that helps men to take control of their lives without playing the victim. Find more

apt relaxed male.com Go podcasting. Yo yo go well, I was gonna almost so I'm not sure did you want to start as a listener as a podcaster I guess as a podcaster See, this is the problem. He said people say this sometimes they say how do I start with podcasting 2.0 And I don't know whether they mean like the tags and the namespace or that they mean value for value, I don't know right?

Be more clear and send another boost and we'll help you if you want to start with value for value if that's what you're wanting lots of good at, I would suggest to go to podcaster wallet and claim your feed and then there's a there's links there in the podcast or what dashboard to each of the services where you can sign up to do it and I would suggest you click on some of those links in just read because like Fountain has a really good

guide Alvey has a good guide to she stream I'll be in Fountain nice I'm here all weekend. Yeah, just click, click, click on this stuff, click on those links and just read about them and see, you know, they're pretty clear they'll tell you want to do that. Like if it's like the tags and things like that just post your question jump on podcasts and so social or whatever NASA will it will help you out or

value for value dot info. You want to learn about value for value the international lifestyle and there are some guides some points there to some guides. Stick I'm still laughing about that. Mitch says 3333 from pod verse. Thanks, Mitch. Thank you, buddy. No note, Dave Jackson from the school of podcasting podcasting Hall of Famer pod verse he says great show is always in honor of international podcast day. Any chance of hearing the daily source intro for old times sake? Oh,

I don't know if I have it. DSC opener. I will read that on a path to Redux. sysadmins is showing five nines on time 21st century of unknowing that is so young. You know what I should have done? Was it was Yeah, I guess it is No wonder where's my I screwed it up already. I can't I can't figure anything out anymore. Once you do, I was gonna do something incredibly cute and start a song but now I can't find the song. So so. Yeah,

Linkin Park rolls send us 10,000 sets. Thank you Linkin Park. No note. Oh jump jump of the live champ podcast in his 20,202 sets. At the pod version. He says pretty sure Obama was drinking hot dog flavored water No, I did well, let me let me let me try this. Do you mind if I just take it back? Well fix it and post no one will ever notice. Do it. Okay, all right, here we go. Just just for my own vibe. Sis admins is showing five nines uptime. 21st century of radio starts here. Live on noise carry

thank God, it's Friday, everybody. Turn up the knob and ribbon this oh man, you can't take you can't take the DJ out of the guy. You just can't do it. It was so good when I do that. You're just full of joy. You're so full of joy when you do that. I love it. I was that guy from the opening? Yeah. All right. Oh, sorry. Mike, you still there? Yes, it was great. User. Let's see we got a we got a boost 2020 52 through fountain from user 8879640 a 1264210. He says, Thank you for this early

work in helping build this value for value infrastructure. You've inspired our high school robotics team. Oh, Nightcrawler 2052 Here in Minnesota to start our own weekly podcast as a way to distribute information to our supporters and fans. Oh, cool. Nice. It is another exciting update in our learning process with new technology and the possibilities that opens up. Let me hear let me hear you. Holla. Hey, let us know when you're up. Yeah, I'll subscribe. And we'll promote it.

Oh, man, that's great. Nervous nother nerd podcast. Yeah, but who gets the sass the school system or the or the teacher? What has that word? No. They know that. Everybody? Everybody on the team gets a split. Yeah. Because that's what I would say. Mike Dell 3002 sets. He says a pod ping from power press boost go podcasting? Yeah, I haven't been talking about that. That's the I'm seeing the power press boost. I mean, power press pod things come through. Yeah, that's dynamite. I want to get to I

really want to get Horowitz on all this stuff. But yeah, that's well, because he's stuck in Lipson land, or I don't know if he's on blueberry, or I, you know, he had Feedburner in the middle of his chain somehow and a whole bunch of and so we finally worked it all out with him. But now I don't remember. But you know, his his he does everything on WordPress. And so, you know, that is kind of the downside, when you're using a WordPress with a certain plugin that works a certain way. You

can't just add something else to it. And then it will mess up the site because he likes to just make one post and it posts on the website and it does the podcast, but I don't know. Is he is he using PowerPress? Or what's the you know, WordPress? I'm not sure. Okay, he's using something that used to connect to feed burner for your pod feed burner. Yeah, don't even get me started.

Frank Ducey. Well, I mean, he could claim his podcast and the podcaster wallet and be done with Yeah, but I don't want to help him screw him. Franco Celerio from Casta Mannix thank you everybody Franco's since 1038 sets, no note. Thank you Franco Bomer I was looking forward to a note from Franco, Brian of London and hive Dao 50,003 88 sets Z for V app and he says, Shana Tova and Mahatma Tova to all the shapeshifters in the audience I was touched on October

Yeah. So Shana, Happy New Year Happy Shana. Tova Shun. Not a lot, but I've always pronounced that Shana Tova. What about Gamar Hatoyama Tova G. Mar, I think I dated her in college. Wow, she's a wild girl. He is. Yeah, she's nice. Thanks, Brian. Dovid us through fountain of dividends from our system. Lu, he's not sure we 25,013 says he's not sure I agree on the extent of the problem regarding music uploads and legality. People could already upload someone else's content without

these new tags. Anchor is facing challenges because their service is free. Ours is blue is not free. But that means that we can not only afford to offer great customer support, we can also detect content uploaded by malicious actors. Oh great stead of using unreliable detection tools now. Hey, I'm all for it. Man. I love you guys for doing it. Don't get me wrong, I support you. 100% just just want to protect you brother.

Todd Cochrane 55,420 Sasser fountain Oh, hello. He says big thanks today for coming on the new media show and giving us two hours of his time. response so far have been interesting. Lots of things from independent podcasters but it's been pretty much crickets from podcasts companies still haven't had this much fun in many years with my clothes on go find castings it's so that so the livestream ended weirdly and I had sent three boosts I think he got them all did he read heard them all? Did

he read the last one? Yeah, where you said Take your shirt off big boy. Because he was like, this is the most fun I've had with my clothes. I'm like, 50,000 set aside to take. Take your shirt off big boy. They did read that. Okay. Yeah, he did. Yeah, you had that one to raise. That was awesome. Yeah. Thanks, Todd. It was great fun. Yeah. Had a good time. If you miss if anybody cares that we just went

through the whole No, it was a great episode. If you can watch the video, the whole slide deck that the Dave presented at Podcast Movement except for some Invalid XML on one of the slides that I caught. That's like, I I would never catch involved. I mean, how many times I've screwed up my RSS feed. Yeah, that's my job. But I know you put some XML on on a slide. Oh, wait a minute. That's invalid. Dave. I'm texting him during the show. Man. It's Invalid XML and a page bro.

Made me feel like a douche. But it was really it was very good. In fact, that's for our previous guy. Our previous booster, go take a look at that. Just just it's a great tutorial, great primer, primer, whatever you want to call it that just really kind of gets you into Alright, these are all the things that come again. May I just say I got blessed Todd Cochran again, man, he has seen the light he is he's, he's all in he's like, Oh, I think he's kind of like shoot, I should have been all in

already. And he says Make it as much yeah, it's good. Um, so and this is going to differentiate his company to say they're putting their money where their mouth is man pod pod paying through PowerPress Yeah, that's cool. That's that's that's not a small undertaking. And Castillo's did it, you know, a few months ago with seriously simple plugin. And it's it requires work. That's a real commitment in and I'm really grateful that they did that. Because that, that brings in,

that brings in a lot more feeds. PowerPress is got a big base, big install base. And so like that, that helps us so the pod ping not to get too far off the rails here. But the pod pod ping is a discovery tool for us. We and everybody I mean, not just us, everybody who watches the pod ping blockchain can find new feeds this way. But the fees that are really hard to find, like really hard to find our feeds that are independently hosted on things like WordPress, and they're not in iTunes,

right? That means you pretty much have to just randomly come across them on a on an internet crawl. That's not common. So having those podcasts and I've seen some of them come through things like like a Jewish. There were some one that came through the other day. It's like a Jewish podcast. It's not an iTunes. And it's like a it's almost like a local synagogue. I mean, we didn't have it. We didn't even know this thing existed. And we wouldn't have known it existed without

popping. So this is fantastic. I'm a really appreciate. Appreciate blueberry and Castillo's putting that into their WordPress product. Yes, that is very helpful scrim. Bouverie 21 112 Since a big rush boosts through boost CLI because he's old school like that, and he says, I think I know the answer already. Does rock Finn qualify as V for V. Also Adams thoughts about video podcasts are confirmed true. Audio Only is more mysterious. There's a mystique. The mental mindfuck can be nice.

Boost. I don't know about rock fan. I don't know what Ron Thane I don't know I think about it when there's some sort of tipping thing and I was watching. I was watching their show last night live stream for a while as I was prepping for the show today. And I saw the little tipping thing at the top and it and stayed zero the whole show. So tipping doesn't work. Yeah, yep, yep, yep. Brooklyn. See Brooklyn 112 gave us 3333 through curio caster, he says.

Happy International podcast day. Yes. Thank you. Thanks to Chris. Blueberry again 17 776 Mega Liberty boost. Through pod verse. He says lavish now went oh, wait, that's the one you read earlier. Yeah. Okay. Okay, well, then we got comic strip blog there. delimiter. There he is. 15,033 cents. Through fountain he says Howdy,

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Thank you. Thank you, Bruce. Jeff Miller $20 Michael Kimmerer $5.33 Leslie Martin $2 Aaron Renaud $5 and Pedro Gon calvess $5 That's our group. Thank you all so much for contributing value back to the project to the show. podcast index.org right there on the homepage we explain what we do we explain what the money is used for. Spoiler we're not getting any you can also find a PayPal link there and QR codes don't let's see if anyone used it after all those years of asking let's see.

Have we checked that recently? Usually there's nothing but I just want to make sure that someone didn't give us a million dollars in Bitcoin and we missed it that would really be sad. Spencer said in the chat he says a rock fan you check the quote these bros on my shit box to join. Okay, this podcast index.org sites not loading. I mean it's loading but then it goes away. It's like the like a JavaScript or something is hijacking it. See word up when it came up through?

Is it is it didn't it goes blank. Oh, yeah, it happened. That was to me to wait, maybe I need to block some. Yeah, my lb popped up. Could it be an lb thing? Let's see podcast. index.org. Get on. Let me turn on. Let me turn on, I gotta put shields back up. Shields up. Now, same thing, it's it loads and then then it disappears. At type air as a type error failed to construct media metadata. HTTPS can't be resolved to a valid URL. We have an issue. We have a problem.

What does that what is going on? No idea. This this is a bunch of stuff. Whenever it says there's a problem in bundle dot j s that's a that's like a web pack thing. I have no idea what it is. Well, I don't know. I think if we wait long enough, it'll fix it. Oh, no, of course it will. But I propose we do nothing. Now. What was I gonna do? Oh, I was only trying to find the tally coin address. All right. Well, we'll have to Okay. If you go to it's just the homepage that's

doing that the Apps page is okay. The stats page is good. I'm telling you it has something to do with the with this. It's trying to bring up the image in the player the random the rails show the slider? Yeah, I think that's a carousel. Here's a carousel because I see that loading and then it then it flashes away. Yeah, it'll fix itself. Yes. Let me see if I want to get to that page. I want to see what it's trying to load. I can't can't get it. All right. Nevermind.

What were we even trying to do? I forgot. I don't know. I was gonna look at tally coin. I was gonna look at Oh, yeah. Support cards, and here it is. Okay. And yeah, okay. Well, I should have nothing is usual now. Nope. Last one, from August 26. It was from Drib. Mike, how does it does it make money and are you making any money?

We're not like I mean, we are our costs are pretty low. We actually do a lot of the a lot of the computation locally, and then we push stuff up to Amazon. So it's a pretty low overhead thing to keep up. But now we don't make money yet. Well, how's your What's your plan to make money? Are you going to do charge premium? Or are you going to do value for value? Like, what do

you have? You have an idea about value for value, I think tooling for, for folks that are looking for maybe like, you could imagine an advertiser trying to find a podcast. There's, there's a couple of tools out there already for that, but I don't they mostly rely on Apple's 100 categories. And so I think giving somebody a million ways to find the podcasts that are relevant could be, you know, a big, big win. We're mostly looking at those kinds of kinds of models to make

money. Okay. Okay. That's cuz, I mean, we ever just put something in the app where people can pay you. We will, I guess there'll be the with the via, for you just just general like Patreon or something? Well, either way, I mean, like a premium, you know, purchase, like a, you know, annual subscription or something like that, or a value for you know, or taking a cut of value for value. Because I mean, all these apps, if you if you have a subscription, I mean, I'll do it

I do I do it with all of them. It's, you know, for support, and then I'm sure you know, it brings in with the search, because our IV is going to be on my rotation now, because I didn't realize until a few days ago when I started playing with it, that how strong the search was, and that's really valuable. So I know it's I agree. I agree. I think it's really valuable. And yeah, I personally, I like the value for value more than the subscriptions. Dave just wants to give you money. So just give

him a QR code. Yes to me. Yeah. Give me your ABI wallet, and I'll send you some money. Sounds great. Did you have a chance to send me your? Your your Albea wallet address? Yes, I'm sending it right. Okay, good. Good. Because we're nearing the end. And you know, I just like to get it done. Get it up, get it out. But But Bada bing, bada boom. We get we need to talk about face six. The namespace. But I mean, we might just want to wait until next week, or what do you

think? Well, we're two hours or two hours in? Do you have a job? I do actually have one. Do you want to keep your job? Talk about namespace things. Six and no. Yeah, jobs are good. So if we can have the podcast industrial complex, stop putting their foot in their mouth, we won't have to talk about him so much on the next at the next board meeting. That's true. And nothing will happen this week that will cause us to be distracted. So we can go straight. We can go straight to

the namespace on the next show. Yep, yep. Yep. Hey, Mike, man, thank you so much. And you and your wife for for iv.fm. And I actually tried to load it on my graphene OS through the the virtual store and I'm having some trouble. So I'm gonna see if I can get that loaded. But even but I agree with Dave, the search is phenomenal. I really liked that. And I appreciate that. And I want to check my stats. Um, I guess the stats,

like stats, man, I gotta go check myself as cool. The one you haven't, by the way, the websites back by the way, it's 60. So yeah, of course. Of course. My job here is done. All right, Dave. Everything good. We are cool. Yeah, everything's great. Yeah. Had a great time. Thanks, Mike. And, yeah, I'm good. I'm just heading for getting back to work. And then got the weekend.

I think I'm gonna work on cleaning up some of the formatting for namespace for the face six, and then I've got to pull in John Chinggis, soundbytes improvement proposals. And so hopefully, by the end of the weekend, I will have everything ready to go for namespace six discussions. And then I'm actually going to gonna try to carve out some time for that. For the massive dump of the boost as I want to work on that massive dumps coming.

All right. Thanks, brother. Mike. Thank you so much, man. So you'd say hi to the to your better half who clearly is doing the work. Alright. Yes. And thank you chatroom. Thank you, everybody for attending the board meeting podcasting. 2.0 We'll be back next Friday. Namespace six we promise See you then everybody bye bye. You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 Visit podcast index.org For more information Sakala 20 is Blaze on am Paula boost