Episode 103: Where's Briana

podcasting 2.0 for September 23 2022, episode 103 Where's Brianna? Hello, everybody. Welcome to podcasting. 2.0 is your weekly board meeting, podcasting? 2.0 everything that's happening in the podcast space, whatever we got going on with the namespace controversy, things to learn fun stuff. And of course, all of the information and knowledge that

flows over podcast index dot social. I'm Adam curry here in the heart of the Texas Hill Country and in Alabama, the man who knows if you've got music in your feed, say a lot of my friend on the other end, ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Dave Jones. Man, so beautiful here. So, so nice. Like, low 70s. Outside no humidity. Yeah, it's just beautiful. Yeah, I have to say I was in Georgia last week. And it was warmer than it is there now today where you are. But it was also really

nice. Just a break from the Texas heat was very welcome. Let you get lucky because South Georgia is usually like the surface of the sun. Right? Oh, hot there right. Now it was it was really good. I loved it. And I made about you, you sound like you had a good trip. It was a really good trip. Particularly all the stories of

this was the beef initiative food intelligence Summit. And this is a lot of people who are a lot of people who are understanding what it is to live on a diet of pure, you know, grass fed, grass finished, most would say, depending on your taste profile, animal protein. And so besides you know, and really connecting ranchers, to a new audience, in this case, Bitcoiners, because Bitcoiners are willing to try anything and they got money, basically, I think that was the initial idea.

But it turns out, they all kind of understand store of value for the rancher, it's in the cow, the ranchers checking account if he has one as a processing plant. So then there's all these all these these similarities, but ranchers have been in America have been systematically pushed towards the commodity business of look, you just raise it, you ship them off to us, and then we'll chop them up. And we'll do whatever, mainly, you know, ship that over to other countries. So, you know, in

America, we're not really even eating our own beef. You know, it's from South America, Australia, but also the health benefits, which is, you know, I don't even know where you stand on that. But it's been quite amazing to see people who have had issues for 20 years start to clear them up, and like two weeks there, followed this now, do you know the meat only diet? Do you know? Yeah, the corner of the carnivore code? Sure. Yeah.

So I followed this guy years ago, when the doctor whatever his name is, no, this guy, no, this, this is just a just a dude. And this dude. Just the dude, you know, he decided that he was going to eat just meat, only meat. This is before there was a mean, like a carnivore diet. And he kept this journal. This is probably I don't know, eight or nine years ago, he kept this journal of of what what happened to his body, how he felt all these kinds of

things. And he was like, I think the age was, I think he was around 60 or so. And so he was like, you know, I'm just gonna do this and see what happens. He was sort of one of those experimenter and have one guy's and so he starts doing it. And he the ordered, so there's a place out in Texas called Slickers. Yeah, which is like a grass fed beef. And they got more than just beef is all grass fed. It's all natural stuff. So he orders there is like, half and half like a hat, like a one

to one ratio of regular beef. That was like, ground beef, like 15% fat, and then their dog food beef. Oh, yeah. Was there it had all the organ meats and everything in it. That was now being consumed by people again. Interesting. Yes, exactly. Yeah. So he's like, you know, it says not for human consumption, but it's the same stuff as everybody else gets. So and he ate it raw

dough. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, now it's what I heard a lot of these right and I'm gonna put this clip in the show notes. It's about three minutes. It's Texas slim on the higher side chats and he explains it so well. In three minutes. It's it's phenomenal. Did he name that thing that beef? Dave and telefoon intelligence. It's all him. It's all him? Because that's a great name. Oh, yeah. No, this guy's listened to a couple of couple just for a

little bit of this. This guy's a born but now he's a rancher. fifth, fourth or fifth generation, West Texas. But he also worked right after college years, which he didn't graduate. He just attended college in Austin. Just all the rest of us. Yeah, exactly what he just audited. So he has no degree. And he I think, right on the.com, boom, boom, boom, he was involved in telecom and other things, but he's a rancher at heart. And also rodeo guy.

Let me see. So you look out, you know, we're going through hyperinflation at this time. Well, you can look at bitcoin is basically a store of value that will fight hyperinflation, and it's happening right in front of us right now. And people say, well, it's too volatile. No, it's not volatile. It's gone up 100% its lifespan for the last 11 years in and I use the

comparison the same? Well, you want to look at volatility. You know, I was in big tech, I was in.com, boom days, I was younger, and I was in innovation at that time, and you don't wanna talk volatility? How about Amazon crashing over 80%, over nine times in its history that's volatile. And you look at a stock like Apple where you couldn't even trade for it. It was against the law in Massachusetts to buy Apple

stock. You know, you've looked at the stock market, you look at our financial systems and Bitcoin, a lot of people don't understand it, because it gets a bad rap. Because what they're doing is they're doing a prohibition of really understanding what Bitcoin is, because it is a decentralized currency that has a store of value that we've never seen in a digital form. And, you know, you look at my grandfather, he understood what Bitcoin was, he just didn't have it. He

understood what a store of value was. And he had that store value in his land. And the cattle itself goes on. It's really good. Yeah. If I saw something in the, in the local papers about a thing called the beef initiative, food intelligence summit, I would go right. Yes, definitely. I would go. Yeah, exactly. It was really good. And it's also I mean, it's amazing how little people know about their food, just in

general. So it's a great educational, you know, it's but But it all comes down to value and people who understand value and you know, actually, value for value, he kind of borrowed that and adopted that to the beef initiative. And in turn, I stole the New International lifestyle. I'm like this, I'm taking that bitch, that's a good one. Like that. And we become really good friends. And I've met all these incredible ranchers and their story. I mean, it's just, it's

phenomenal. You know, some of these people were stockbrokers, boom, change, you know, 20 years ago, 911, boom, done, go do something else, and then also heal themselves. And it's magic, David's magic. But you know who else is magic? My new hero, my new hero. And I, I liked him from the get go the first time he showed up in the group. When we hung out at podcast moving like, as guys cool, he's got a lot going on in his brain. But little did I know that he was such a troublemaker, and a man

after my own heart, in a very subversive way. John Spurlock is just he's the shit. John Spurlock has done something so cool. The listening to pod land and God bless Todd, from blueberry and in the new media show. He is so honest, and so open about his feelings and his rattle off Todd. So Oh, yeah, his response to OP three, the open podcast prefix project was, I mean, it was just beautiful, because it showed me Yeah, it

the genesis of the podcast industrial complex. It taught me a lot about what they're dealing with, or what they've dealt with how captured it all is. And in a way, it's funny, because I don't know if you if you heard the whole show, and I've I've heard most of it at this point. Most of it. Yeah. But I want to make it clear that you know, this is John Spurlock put this together this is not necessarily podcasting. 2.0 is direction or vision or, or we're gonna build a stat service or anything like

that. But it was it was that interpretation that really, like holy crap, I had no idea that this is this is what I loved hearing about. Oh, yeah, the history there. Oh, yeah. And the back rooms and the emotions and the months of negotiating. And then at the end of the day, we you know, everyone has to pay a $50,000 membership fee to be in the club of the IAB. And by the way, I I have no problem with with with

IAB or anything if in case there was ever any, any confusion. I really don't know enough about Alright, I understand the concept. Now I know a lot more. Wow, this is great and that they everyone, you can have IAB certified numbers and still have different numbers from podcast host the podcast host. Well, this is all of the the the whitelist, the black lists, the amazing what they have gone through in a closed system.

Really it's been that must have been very painful to put that together and it shows and I don't know about you, but I got the feeling that even though I don't think that's it's certainly not my plan. But you know John Spurlock's plan, I don't know, I don't know what anyone's plan is. I don't really care. But it felt like oh, wait a minute, because even Cridland said, Well, you know, if they can get some IAB certification, I don't think it was set up with with that in mind. This is just

a data service that, you know, you can muck around with. And if you want, I guess you can put together stats package, you know, or something I did I misinterpret what this thing is for. is a platform for development, right? If someone wants to create a stat servers, they can do some PRs and put together a stat service. Is that my understanding? Is that correct? I think, you know, I don't know what's in Spurlock's head. I know why I was excited about it.

Will Tell me what you were excited about. Were on the doll that excites you. you point that out? Right in the front. Row, right there. Right there. I don't like I don't want the index, or podcasting 2.0 or anything like that in the stats business. Oh, no more. I don't think anybody really wants that. I mean, that's, it's just there's too much. It's too icky. Nikki, I'm not. I'm also not really interested in it.

I don't care. I did homework, by the way. I did. I did homework, and I calculated every PM. Well, thank you. I come up with about 120. What did you come up with? I came up with, I can look him up with ad on one. But I think and I'll tell you my methodology in a minute. We can compare methodology? Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I'll show you mine. If you show me your round the front baby. Read the front. The front. I trust. As I want to say this, like, after listening to Todd. I

mean, I definitely. You know, we know these guys from the hosting companies and I trust under yours. Yeah. I trust their numbers. I don't like if there's any. I would never say that. I don't trust the download stats from you know, blueberry, or Buzzsprout. Or RSS. Let me put it this way. I have no distrust of what they're doing. None. When it comes to looking at my timeline of when people were listening and streaming SATs on the Saturn stat board from Albea. I have 100% confidence in that. Yes,

they will. Here's your difference. I don't. So I don't think any of those. I don't think that any of them are doing anything shady. I know that I be he's like he's he mentioned he said, Well, you know, Phil, like that in the 2.0. realm. There is general distrust of the I know, this. I think total, not caring. What does that word? Not? lethargy. There you go. Thank you. apathy. Sure. Yeah. So there's apathy. That should not be misinterpreted as

distrust, really. But there is something there. And the something I think is what Todd himself talked about, which is he you know, he recounted how he was shocked. That pod track was able to get a B certification because their numbers were so different from his own. And he knows for a fact that his are solid. Yeah, I'm sure they are. That tells you that there's some and I'm not saying that that doesn't anybody's doing anything shady? Um, no, not at all guidelines. And the Denley are so loose.

Let's just put let's just let me just put it out there. This is this is how it felt. Without anyone saying it. This is just my interpretation. I am 58 have been around for a bit. And Dave and I have no real dog in the hunt, which is the beautiful part about this project doesn't matter one way or the other. You know, we're not gonna even even know how many down I didn't even know how many downloads we

had until like, exactly. And I didn't have an idea until you posted a screenshot I'm going off of a screenshot here but that's But the point is when when this showed up, it's the response sell to me a little bit like, hey, I really love these podcasting 2.0. Guys, I really love value for value, but what what you're doing what will will will will, will, will will what? Who Oh, what are you doing over there was that's what what's pumped the brakes, pump the

brakes to porno boys. That's what it felt like. So I want to remove that fear because we have no interest in the business of stats or attribution or anything about that for me truly. I mean, I can, I can see all kinds of interesting reasons for it. But I just want to calculate a VPM. That's, and it doesn't matter what the numbers are. They're the number. That's, that's just

my number. And if that means there's bots in there, other than that's my number plus bots, but it's still the number, I'm just going to use the same number, the and in fact, to prove it that I don't care. And, um, this is also an ask at the same time, because if this screws up, it's a big pain in the ass. It hurts me in many ways. I just like to put the next episode tomorrow as Sunday's episode of no agenda, I want to put that into the OP three and see what pops up. I'm

interested. It may be it may be 40,000, it may be 400,000 may be 4 million, I don't know, at the same time that ever would divorce at first. I don't care, we don't care, we don't care. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. The only it doesn't matter. It's not going to change our income. Right? That makes no difference, it would be nice to know. And no matter what it is, if I don't like it, I can say well, you know, it's not a IIB certified. So it's a piece of Spurlock's little game over

there. It's not for real man, we can't trust that shit. You need to put it, you put double Asterix on it. And then down at the bottom of the page. The double asterisk says with bots. I'm very interested in just what it is. I mean, it's the system solid enough? Because it would be

better be I mean, like I would I would imagine. So. I would imagine if you throw a million, you know, a million downloads on it, it would it should be able to handle it because they handle, you know, 3000 times that on a regular basis. But do you ever script where you can go count it for me? Because I don't have any tools? Yeah, I got some stuff now where I spent some estimate some time

this week writing some code on that. And that's how that's how I'm able to calculate our VP that did to me that, like the fact that we could be a big show that shows some, you know, open numbers, open numbers, that's all it is just open numbers. It's like, it's funny, you say that we'll just talk it over with the vorak. We give the SEC, I'll just tell you the top 24 donations from Thursday's show, ranging from $1,000 to 200. And to 200. We read these people's notes, we gave the

number, the amount. So anyone can sit there and calculate what we're making it. I'm proud of that. And I'm pretty sure that people who support the show, we're also proud of it. So I'm very interested to see if my theory and so we have different numbers, I'd like to know what numbers you were working with my theory of the VPM that it holds true that actually when you have the smallest audience, when you wouldn't even qualify for dynamic ad insertion, you would you would have a much higher VPM

and you would also actually be making money right away. So I came up with 120 because I think I saw a 1475 number of downloads. So I recalculated this morning, okay, all right. I calculated do we want to run down do a runner. I was running down let's go bring it down. Come on, man. Break it down. This is by the way, this is all very gross. And I don't like doing any of this any of this stuff. This is beautiful. This is a cool exercise. I don't

ever want to do it again. So I here's the numbers. I worked on downloads, were 1514 Okay, for then and let me tell you where this number comes from. Well, number one 1514 downloads per episode we are on monetizable what's the I was quite monetizable. So the I only counted unique IP hashes for a range or for rent as one download for for range requests and get requests and exclude it. So if somebody did In 27 range requests from the same IP hash. Kids just counted it as one.

Okay. All right. So already, you're putting in rules. Yeah, yeah. This is what this is the whole point we can make our own rules. Or rules can be that we count Bots as Yeah, exactly as extra as bonus material. I'm not, I don't have to convince any advertiser with these things. So did the downloads. And then I, and then I excluded any user agents that were, you know, not a known app. So just known apps with single counts per IP hash, which could be under counting or

over counting, who knows? 1514 downloads. Okay, so you took your 4% from that number of episode 102. Now, I went further than this. I know I dug in deeper zaxy. So then, I went flipped over to do the boosts side of things, or to the to the SAT side boost. It figured out with six, four, and I only counted episode 102 streams and boosts in SATs. So this does not include streams and boosts that we got for the episode when it was live. This is only meant to

match the download numbers. Check. Got it? Okay, this is good. Oh, you. Why was I even wasting my time? That comes out to 629,798 sads. From and that is from the that includes streams and booths, how much they again, how much 629,798? Okay, so then I looked at how many individual donors that represents because this is the all this is in the TLV record. individual donors unique donor names 89. So we had 1514 downloads 629,798 SATs and 89 individual boost string boost

slash streamers. That if you take that 1500 14 downloads as unique listens, which we know it's there's a bits gonna be in the ballpark, then you're talking about 89 listeners sending SATs back is 6%. So 66% of the people who downloaded the episode. Ah. Okay, so that's higher than the than the 4%. So already a win over the Fiat version.

Yes, yes. Now, if this is my understanding of your VPM calculation, so I went through this, I say I took the 629,798 SATs and divided it by 15 114, which would have been the unique lessons. And that came out to 415.9 sets per download, which would be 400 415,982 sets per 1000 downloads in US dollars, and it comes out to $79 Z pm. I like it. I think that I think you had the you had all the right data. I was doing it on very, very broad numbers.

Yeah, we, if we drop it to 4%, if we say 4% VPN, with those same with that same rate, it comes down to $53 VPN. Right. But we actually know the percentage that's something right that's that's always just kind of like a well, that was not from download data. See with no with no agenda I have data on we have a rough number of ideas of what we have a rough idea of how many downloads we get, which should be interesting to see now versus the last time that we accidentally found out. You

found out you found out hey, look at that. How did that work last time? Well, it was through the image art because you put in your image artists, so it has to it had to download that was back with Apple podcasts and had to download before they centralized feed aggregation. So whenever you would put a new image into when we put it behind Cloudflare we put the images behind Cloudflare. And then so you would get it would tell you how many requests for that image were coming from Apple podcasts,

individual apps. So then you could take that and do the do the math there and get roughly, you know, million listeners, which I think it was at the time. I think it's higher than that now. But then, but then they missed that up when they went to decentralize. So now individual, the individual mobile devices are downloading. And then you were picking up the stats, because at that point, somehow you had rigged it for me. So it was going through Cloudflare. Well, it was an accident because Yeah,

exactly. That's the point I wanted to get to. I was an accident. Because yeah, because we put your put your show notes, aren't assets, pardon the audio clip assets onto a Linode and put it behind Cloudflare to get the caching. And then you up, you always uploaded the individual episode art, to, to, you know, for each new show, you uploaded it to the asset server, which happened to be behind Cloudflare. And then we started seeing those stats backs again. And what was the number you saw?

Oh, no agenda. Yeah. It was right. It was right around a million for over a seven day period. For so for an episode or that two episodes. That was for like, the most recent couple of episodes. I think that's, that's total, because there's always people that are behind and lagging behind. Yeah, I think I think that's it's been, it's been like a year and a half ago. So it's really interesting, because we have Thursday numbers, and we

have Sunday numbers. And you know, that Sunday is always lower, which I think is logical, because people don't typically donate twice a week to a podcast many do, obviously. But also this rotates, you know, it's like, people will not donate for two months, and then they come back. And so it's the overall percentage, the number of people who we know actually don't know what maybe we'll get somewhere with this. I'm very excited to try this. I think it was just do it. Did it do the mp3 dot dev on

doing on Sunday's episode and see what happens. Now, if people can't get it? Or if it gets blocked or anything I'm gonna be, you know, I'm going to be excreted. Maybe Spurlock can chime he could verify, yeah, he could clarify if we're good to go, then I'll just do it. Because that will be fun. And you have no agenda. I think it's I'm proud to be a part of an open and open project. Let's learn something.

And that was my that was my thing is that, you know, there's, there's clearly a, because because Rob on that on new media show seemed very befuddled by the fact that we're while we were even doing, and why are we even talking about it was I think was a bigger thing. Yeah. Yeah. And, and I think, I think it's because and we've talked about this before, bringing the open source mindset into podcasting.

There's friction, there. It's not normal. People in podcasting are not used to, or not used to. I don't want to I don't want to sound this. I don't want this to sound too broad, because I don't mean it that way. But I'm really talking a lot about money and statistics. People within the podcast industrial complex, are not used to there being radical transparency around money in

statistics. Right? I don't ever, you know, I don't think that's a natural thing that everybody has become accustomed to, is there is friction here. But there's clearly a is a set of people that jumped on this very quickly, us, James at pod news, transistor, Justin, and John over transistor, David Mitas. And there's a lot of people who are going to jump on this early because it's fun. As long as the transparency Yeah, it's fun.

The openness is, is a sort of exhilarating thing like, like, I mean, we talked about last week, I will end up putting this I'm going to consider that I don't have to do math anymore. I'm going to end up putting that code together. And just I'll just push, I'll just make it public. I mean, Nord VPN will be like, yeah, constantly updated. Yeah, of course. It's like, I don't care people. I mean, people can listen to the show and hear how much money we get to the show. Yeah, why the hell

did I care whether it's on a website or not? I mean, like, but I don't think people are used to that in it. No, no, of course it does. But I remember in the 15th and we're coming up October 26 15 years no agenda almost coincides with episode 1500. But I remember early on, you know, when people like these guys, they're just a scam. It's a cult and making you send your money. Like we're really powerful with MK Ultra over here. You're and they were I think it was like no agenda.

numbers.com Let me see if it still exists. No agenda numbers.com This guy was so pissed. Look and how much money they're making. And no one cared. They were like, whatever. It because it's a good show that's like, yeah, I don't know if there's something's really this way we made this point with causality when John when John cIgi was on the show, if it's a really good show, I'm really happy to hear that they're making a lot of money because it means they won't go away. Exactly.

Because the last thing you want, if you're really love a show, is for them to be struggling. Like, I don't want that. And it's, I've been doing your Tina's has been very helpful for me this is, you know, she worked in nonprofits. So she understands a lot about gifting, donating and subsequently value for value time, talent, treasure I got from her. I totally stole that. Also, it's biblical. Yeah. So it's very pastor, Pastor. Yes, it was, it was funny, because I was talking to Texas

slim. Yeah, he's, you know, I gave you his profile to me, you don't have your ask down yet. And it's very difficult for him. Because this is not how he was a lot of people, right. And so I helped him with an analogy of a barn raising, and that works for him. But also I said, Man, you've seen so many pastors, you know how the pastor seamlessly transitions into the, hey, it's

time to pony up. You'll get that way. But look at him. And it's not about why you have to give, just look at the ease at which the pastor transitions because the pastor is open and honest, and is saying, we need this help. You're not saying God is mad, but if you don't pay him, he's, you know, he's, this is for the church you're giving does this and you know, of course, churches typically do a lot of good things with with the money. But it's it just look at that. And that was very, very

helpful to him. But I guess the whole point of value for value is so opposite. I mean, even, it's funny, I look at it, and I love where they're doing it fountain that and I think it's really creative. But when I see a list of who's making the most Satoshis, it's like, that's, it's not so interesting. And I know it inspires a lot of people, but personally, I'm like, that doesn't really matter. You know, the list is,

you know, okay, whatever. It's a list. It's a list here, that could be another list over there, and everyone can have a list. People are so inspired by lists. But in reality, that's not what makes doesn't make anything flow. You know, our our, our board meeting, our weekly board meeting, we talk about the project. It's making it flow, and we're surviving. I mean, so what do we do a month we do about 1800 a month total with our with our very generous $500 A month Fiat donors.

Yeah, if you add it all up together, it's just sounds about right at 1800 2000 was somewhere along those lines? It fluctuates. Yeah, sometimes it's lower. Sometimes it's 16 1614. Or 14 To me, just depends on what's going on. But like those. Those baseline PayPal donations, you know, pay all the bills and then the SATs are what fluctuates? Yeah, a lot. Yeah. Go ahead. No, absolutely. Bottom line is we get exactly what we deserve.

This is what you get exactly what you deserve, what what we put into it, we get out of it, what you put into it, or conversely, what you get out of it, you want to put back into it. It just it works. Anyway. So I was gonna say, we've been discussing all these different reasons why people donate. And we've been asking people, I've been talking to people, and I'd love to know why people support podcasting. 2.0 Because there's eight basic kind of, you know, you have to go into philosophy

for this. This is, you know, bunches, why is someone give them besides, first of all podcasting 2.0 value for value, we've removed almost all friction, which is the beauty. The beautiful thing is it's like you want to you want to support boom, you're good to go right there. No, literally a button is a button right there. I mean, that's, that's magic for it for any anyone trying to raise money for anything or, or or exchange value. People do it for social reasons. Now, this is your

feedback loop. So that makes a lot of sense. People do it. There's really a top three, the one that I liked the least which is the most effective is what I just call the sad puppy roll. I mean, it is true. If if no one supports us, then the index goes

away. I mean, it's that simple, and boohoo won't that suck. So that is the most effective from all types of nonprofits is you know, it's like hey, if you don't give money, these kids and their families won't have a place to stay could be you one day and that's kind of the the American who was at the kennel club or whatever the AKC the what's the one with the pets where it shows all the horrible dogs being mistreated. St. Peter, whatever. Yeah, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. So there's

that. But there's also well, that kind of flows into over to the other one, which is it resonates. So something about the Ask something resonates with people, and they're motivated for their own reasons, which could be, oh, man, you know, I wish when I was a kid, there was a resource where I could mess around and develop an app. And you know, it could be any any personal story. So these are the main the main reasons. Well, cotton, Jen said it reminds me It reminds me of the

90s internet. That's why I love it. Well, do you remember this openness? Do you remember shareware? I mean, the idea was right, but we didn't have the mechanisms in place. shareware involved you writing a check, putting it in an envelope and sending it to somebody, you know, five bucks to say, thanks. I use your software, then. And a lot of a lot of people did very well with shareware. And now you talk about friction. Now that's some friction that's

bigger than the you know, you gotta go get a stamp. Again, envelope you gotta read check. I mean, this. That's, that's that's the biggest friction. I mean, I think that the rethinking of paradigms, just talking about OPC. Any sentence that starts with a rethinking of paradigms is just dynamite. It's always valuable. We I mean, we may find, we may find it. I don't know, we may find this six months from now, that op three wasn't, didn't produce a lot of value. You know, maybe it wasn't

that big of a deal. I tend to think that that's not going to be the case. But you know, we always think that about the stuff that we that we're involved in excited about. But you know, we may think this is not may ultimately may prove to not be that that big of a deal. But that's what the mad scientist laboratory of podcasting. 2.0 is about? Yes, exactly. Without trying to figure out crazy stuff, paradigm breaking things that challenge, the challenge, what's already

been being done, and seeing if it has any value? And if it does, it'll bubble up. Yeah. And the cream rises to the top. If it doesn't, it'll go, you know, it'll, it'll fall away. And, you know, it may like cross app comments. Stop, I have a thought I never thought about that. I don't want to interrupt your flow, just so that, you know, it's the visibility. And to me, the power of the the thing that got me excited, the most about op

three, is the visibility outside of the bubble. Is Yeah, is having the numbers show up outside of, you know, your hosting dashboard, or whatever. Because then you can do things like, as well, let me back up for a second. We know, or at least I hope we know. And I'm the I'm using the weed to include everybody. I hope we all know that. On a long enough time scale IP, IP addresses, as a source of information of reliable information about things that are going on is probably going to go away.

Yeah, I would say so. I mean, we've already you know, we've begun to see the very the the the infancy of this with Apple private relay, and that kind of thing. Tail scale. Yeah, exit nodes. Tore, every, there is a lot, there's a ton of, of mental pressure being applied across the open source world and not in and the proprietary world as well, with privacy, caring people. There's a lot of mental pressure being applied to how to get rid of IP addresses as a

source of yucky information about people. And that's going to happen. So to me, the what I care mostly about op three is not just a retread of what has already been done. Even though I think it's valuable to have numbers in the open. I mean, that's what we're about. But combining it with the ULI D, to me, that is the ultimate goal. That that is the that is the ultimate goal. Ul ID again, is that's how that's where you create a random number. Your app creates a random number applies

it to this episode. And anytime you listen to that episode, right, then it attaches. Yeah. Right. So then we know that that's you picking it up. Yeah, we you know that every unique UL ID is a unique list. Right. So So what this does, is it inspires app developers to add stuff like that add to the ecosystem so we have more fun. Yeah, right. Yes. This is the sandbox. Yeah. Can you is? Is this is OP three, does it? Is there a

benefit with IPFS? I don't know. When not interesting because one of the main problems that Cameron has told me about IPFS podcasting is if you go full IPFS protocol, IP address colon, slash slash instead of an exit node of the you lose all kind of trackability. Yeah, which makes sense, which makes sense. So you can't you can't do stats right now. He has download stats,

which he gets from the network somehow. But if if you could use this with IPFS with the protocol, that's an interesting thing, because if you like my firt, your first your first instinct would be to say, Okay, we'll put it through a redirect. Yeah. OPI three redirect and then somehow bounce it to IPFS born I'm handed IPFS redirect. Who and IPFS redirector. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Same idea for IPFS Oh, man, I love it when your brain starts cranking.

The you know, the other thing I noticed was about the CPM VPN thing is if you look at so I pulled up advertised casts page about and they give the latest CPM rates. And their little chart here. Little chart shows one, it's got three, three rows, and it says this verse 62nd, ad CPN. Between 1009 between 1009 1999 listeners is $26 CPM. Hmm. Interest between 10,090 9999 is 24 CPM. Oh, yeah. And 100,000 plus is $20. CPM. What is this? fuckery.

So your CPM goes down, the more the more successful you are, what is this one? The more downloads you have? Does that make sense? I don't know. Generally, but be just one CPM. You know what the debt you know what the doesn't go down? VPN. No VPN does go down, the larger it has to go down, the larger your show is 4% is 4% 4% of a million is four is right. You know, you know what we're gonna find out. So, alright. Okay, so I love this. So no agenda when I say it's

like 30.1 or something? 30.5. But I don't but that's my old calculation. So I'll be very very curious to see. Now Now we can't do it one for one actually, because we don't have any any Bookstagram data. We only have Pay Pal data. But you know what? Let's just do it. Let's just see what happens with an episode of the numbers itself and we'll check it out. I will provide I will provide the numbers to the to the shield. On op three. No, no, no, don't

give any dough. No, no. No, no, no, don't don't involve anybody. Okay, this is supposed to be on the Qt bro. Okay, I will not provide the numbers to anybody. No to me. Just tell me what numbers you see. I will I will get I will. I will send I will send one episode and one episode only. I don't want to get burned. I don't want to get caught everybody listening. Don't be a narc. Don't be a narc. I will send you a paper airplane. With the numbers tucked discreetly. Yes. Interesting.

Wow, man. The chat room was a punk. I'm a punk rocker here this is come on man. 2.0 was punk rock GABA GABA. Hey, okay. Let's do it. So cross cross cross app comments I have on my list, because you're absolutely right is one of those things. It's just not. It's not working. It's not we don't have the spark in and I'll be honest, that when I look at comments that are working, that could be cross app today. I have to say the lightning comments work. Yeah, I was not a fan of it. And I'm

still not a fan of it. But I would rather have active people using Lightning comments, because what I see in Fountain is impressive. Now it's it screws up my my a helipad with all kinds of little things. But that's also kind of cool because Oh, someone's commenting over there. Then I'll pop over open up the app. I'll go in I'll I'll reply. Maybe I'll give someone a little boost there. It's a very pleasurable way of interacting with the audience in a in an app it would be nice if it could be

cross app and it seems like that's the easy part. So I'm just identifying something that's working I'm not saying we all have to do that I'm just throwing it out there as I'm I am willing if there's enough steam to capitulate on this one I it's sad to me because we have such great infrastructure but why is no one picking it up? What is happening? I have thoughts okay. The I think I'm not set in stone by the way this is not I'm just throwing it out there as usual.

I think the reason why fountain come while the lightning comments are showing activity is not because I think it's purely because fountain gives monetary incentive for that to be the

case. So they pay they pay you for listening and comment and boosting I'm not so sure when it comes to the commenting but I have no data okay, that's that's my understanding of it and then on the on the flip side my these are my these my initial first thoughts I didn't know you're going in this direction so I hadn't in my thought on the flip side is the reason people are not commenting on on non lightning is because nobody

gives a crap about commenting generally speaking. And that is ended the comments that we see about podcasts on thing things like Apple podcast reviews, if you want to call those a comment for the purpose of this discussion discussion are mostly because people beg them to do it in the show. Hey, Gil gives it

gives a review. It helps in I'm with you on that but I guess my point is, we have people commenting on these comment threads that we put as our because our base post in podcasting 2.0 I do it I know agenda. There's lots of comments in there. They don't serve us on any app. People are just on the mastodon commenting back and forth. No one's even sucking that in and displaying it via pod

versus. And pod friend. Those are the two apps currently pod verse pod verse shows the cross app comments every show, you can go and expand them on the on on the website and and in the app to. Okay, because I've really gotten into the pod verse app, so I'm surprised that I that I didn't see that. It's, I don't remember where it is on it right here. I'm gonna see. Okay, so you don't ever get to swiped or you got to swallow swipe. Maybe you can swipe left or something. That's if I don't like it.

Stop, stop. Okay. Chapter chapters, clips, comments. I know where it is. I apologize. I apologize. Okay. Yeah. So that so the obvious, yeah. Okay. So this is great. I like how it's done. And like how it's implemented. I can't add to the thread. So all it would take would be reply. Post, you know, so it hasn't been? I mean, it leaves the pod verse app if you tap on it. So that's something it takes it to the to the to the core post. That's totally appreciated. We're so close yet. We're not there.

Yeah, because it's hard. I know. It's hard. I'm just just saying, okay, hold on. I'm in prime and I'm impressed with POD verse overall. And I want to say that I think it was a misunderstanding. It's a technology early technology choice player issue is why pod versus not doing per minute streaming SATs yet. James had some questions about that. And I think that's in the works. It's not it's not because Mitch has decided that's just a sheet idea. No, he's not he has not made that.

Oh, and I do have to give James props because he said something very appropriate, which we do need to talk about briefly because we're gonna talk about music as well. Okay. I agree completely on legality. So if RSS blue or anyone else is offering music uploads to be flagged as music in the podcast index, and we hope you have an update on that. I agree that's a very very dangerous thing to do see Spotify, who have just opened up you know pirating of movies to their to their video

service. I mean, it's who would have thought that would happen. And the better idea is, you know, SoundCloud, they already their members are already screened and cleared and there's, we know who has rights and registrations any existing music service that knows how to do that is a better bet than, you know, stepping into it. Just like, Oh, this is cool and doing it because you're gonna get burned, you're probably gonna get burned. It's just gonna suck for you. It's gonna be a lot of

work. Unless that's your business plan and then you know, we will support you 100% But it's very is very, very dangerous venture to do that. I'll get questions about this. This is good, good discussion, because where I'm at right now is I've got the downloader working, that is downloading, it's slurping down. enclosures. Yes. What's it called again? slurpy slurpy, right. Yes, I love your names. It is it is slurping down enclosures. It's apt to produce

like, get about 100 It's done like 180,000 so far. enclosures. It's about a day and a half I mean a terabyte and a half of them all down it's actually downloading them all locally. Yeah, yes. That's right. It's so it's going through the with the latest weekly data, massive dump and downloading the last enclosure of each podcast Are you downloading the entire podcast universe? I don't understand I just saying download everything.

Not entirely about half of the entire podcast universe. So anchor is excluded because they don't allow music by policy. Right? They only allow Top Gun and other brand new movies, movies. Yeah, but don't pirate music. Yeah. So they don't allow music. So we exclude them that takes you know, half the index away almost on automatically. Not half but about a third. The take away Librivox just it's and other ones that are just like clearly they're not going to

have any music at all. So you take that all that away then you also filter out anything that is just an arbitrary limit of two hours or less is still I still alive I'm

kidding. You do that with a head with a head or get request or something ahead request just to see the file length now just looking at the duration because the duration duration of course is in there you already have the duration to the download to the massive dump we aren't we already have that we already have the don't we have duration data already for everything?

Yeah. Yep some of the older some of the really really early stuff in duration is messed up it dumps they call them dumps big massive dumps said so many times I had to Yeah, so as I was triggering you know I was late actually yes you were late so the the filtering out some of that stuff and I don't remember how many it came back with but it's

downloading a mall is one at a time. Excuse me known to 2023 at a time that's concurrent that's what Slurpees forest down leaving give it a number of things to download how many you want we upgraded an extra $80 a month for for the head done that yet. Oh, that's for actual business. That's a real business or real podcast. This is just on my local computers. Jim, aka Peter on doing this. This is not even this is not on us. Oh good doing this from my house. How big is your hard drive?

I've got it hooked up to a four terabyte drive. Okay, an external drive. Nice, sweet. So then we scuzzy drive is not a scuzzy drive with frozen garden hose is not that I love that shit. Connect those were the clips. With you remember? LVM it was the real thing when the No, it was like scuzzy three I think I remember Apple talk. With terminators, you have to use terminators, no Terminator. No, no joy. Yeah, the whole network goes down wouldn't work. So the it's

downloaded a bunch of stuff. It's downloaded. It's, it's downloaded a ton. And then there's this Python script that Alex has helped me tweak around on that will that actually does the analysis that looks and tell and looks at whether or not this is speech or music. Now, it's, it's not. It's not 100%? It's not even close. But in and I'll tell you that the times that it gets confused as when there's somebody with a bed of music behind them,

right, that's where it falls apart. Sure. And there's actually a lot of those where it'll be 45 minute episode of somebody talking and there's a bed behind him the entire time and PR. Yeah, there's some of that. There's also, if the audio is crappy enough. I think it gives us enough background to make it sound like it's a song to make the waveform look like is music? Yeah, yeah. Wow. It's like I think it's just the background noise makes it look like it's continuous ways.

No, this is what you need to remember Paul, you toy used to tell us how sphinx was being used in the Philippines, they will be used to train AI and machine learning. So that show, you know, you'd get your show picture and say, Is there a dog in this picture? Yes or no boom, you answer and then you get 10 sets. Next picture. So when you don't want to do that, yeah, we have a version for that for this, like, Is this a real song?

Yes, no, I want to do that, like, so what is doing is the python script is running the analysis, using the GPU or the video card, running the analysis. And then if it thinks that is, if it thinks is there, there's an 80% or higher likelihood that it's music. It we'll just create an empty file with the name of the podcast index ID in a directory. Okay, so then hold music, right? So then you can go in and retrieve that,

right? So when it's all said and done, we should have a big long list of, of all of the episodes of all of the podcast IDs that it thinks are music, podcasts, then we can wrap that up into some sort of, you know, script or something. And then we can crowdsource it, to say to have people actually listen to it, and say if it is indeed music, or just a false alarm. So the out of 46,997 podcast that it has analyzed for. It thinks 804 of those are music podcasts. So that's about 6%.

Is it? Is that what that is? No, I have no idea. I'm just throwing that out there as you like to sound convincing. You did math. I'm just throwing a number out. See if you had done the math. No. Like holy crap. Let's see. Four divided by can't even give you the stats, the dollar amount. I can think in dollars most of the time. Looks like this. Alright. 2% That's, that's pretty Yeah. Okay, well 1.7% All

right. So what's the next step in the procedure once once you've once Slurpee has done its job then what? Well here here's an example and here's an example track so if you go to podcast index ID you know 44955 And there's a little bit I put a in the clips today if you got my clips I forgot. Oh, yes. Thank you got an example tracking Oh, here we go. Wow. Yeah. Sounds good. You know what that sounds like? Wow. Oh, my wife. Yes, yes, yes. Oh, no, I gotta do it.

You love the wife I've had loved the Hawaii Five o thing where's my Hawaii Five Oh, you don't have it on a pad on the road test. I'm bad I'm not that bad here Okay, so that's that's a jam right there. It is a found that on that is from that is on PodOmatic hosting company and it is from 2013. So it's been there for nine years and this is why we should have done that properly. Yeah, that's the crusher from Briana Roy. 53 second track. And there's three tracks on this podcast and

they're all of this. They're all like this. It's an EP. It is it's an EP No, no dynamite good find flip the bit make it music. Brianna. We need to find Brianna give her a split. Yes. For him. So I don't know where he got him. them they didn't they so so here's the here's the kosher part. Like if they here's this thing that's been out in the in the universe for nine years publicly on the internet. Yeah. How about Yeah, right. There's, it seems to be just some original dubstep something.

It's a jam. I'm like, well, there's no iTunes owner tag. I have no idea how to get in touch with Brianna. Rihanna, Roy. Have you know podcast rise and who have not Google for Brianna. Is there no link in the in the RSS feed? It just links back to the PodOmatic page and doesn't link to a personal side of anything. There's no podcast license tag or Rihanna ROI YouTube. Oh, there you go. Let's see brand. Let's see. Do you think that can't be the same? Brianna Roy, you take LinkedIn

that's DeVore X jam and that's not me. Let's see. This. I don't think this is the same Brianna Roy. Does she do dubstep on Twitch? Go good. I am that. That may be no I don't think so. Now. Dubstep. Is there any lyrics with that thing? No. Okay, well, she she's a singer. Oh, boy. Don't maybe she upgraded. Doubt it. So, so what will so here's the question Where what are we left with with Brianna's tracks? Are they? If there's like what what

legal status? If we want to if we want to take this and drop it in as in the show mix? What are what is that going to do? Like what how does that work? Right now we have no idea. We really couldn't do it because we legally you can't do it because we have no idea who owns the royalties rights, etc. If, if she would claim this and say yep, this is mine. This is my feed. And I warrant that this is

my stuff. And here's my split. I would say at the one hour and two or one hour and one minute mark, there would be a split there which would send off a significant portion of the show to Briana Roy's wallet. That's what I'm that's what I envision. Yeah, like split in the chapter maybe? Yeah, I mean, we haven't quite figured it out. But that's the dream. Right now. We we need to find Brianna Roy. That's the title right there. Show. Find. Brianna. I'm

Brianna Roy. I'm making I'm doing it. That's hilarious. How about or where is Brianna? Roy? Brianna? Okay, where's Brianna? That's better. Good. I love a great title. Yeah, so like I bet you there's tons of these. Yeah. So I don't I don't know what to do about that. I don't know what to do about it. Other than make it available as a music track in in apps that wants to show that in? No case the roster I guess. At least we have a nice base to start with.

There's also one is this one this is a wrote down 469-914-6991 And it's brianna is Brian A it's br A and A maybe it's Brian Brian A Roy who knows. This is another one there's a podcast. index.org/podcasts like 46991 Do I feel like this is an unless you want to that's another just as another example of a music feed that that this thing found. And that is from what what was it? I'm sorry, what was the number again? The podcast ID is 46991469 or

nine or one? LB keeps pop? I find myself having to log into lb a lot. Me too. Using a little annoying a little a little much dude, I'm liking it. What is this? Testing 2.0 2.0 Dynamite because of that stuff, so that yeah, lots of DJ mixes and stuff. Sure. You know, I just had a meeting today with the owner of 100% retro and 100% Retro is a streaming radio station from the Netherlands.

Belgium to be exact. And I'll play it for you. So they're 24/7 they have this guy's pretty he's hired Kim Wilde and all kinds of legacy people to talk and it's basically let me say and they have a whole that's what I was put you know, there's it's it's retro it's a Dutch station. That's all English was. Its international languages as the clock moves around the globe. They get clever. Yeah. And so he's like, I want you I want to

be on the live stream today. Okay, send me some promos. You know, so the The feed will be filled up with highs as Kim Wilde, whatever, listen to my show, and then it'll be continuously lit. That's a 24 hour stream. So and we'll flip the music tag the medium tag to music. So when you're in a music app and you're going through the album's you'll see 100% retro and you'll click on it and you can listen live or listen to whatever else they're going to put into that feed.

Oh, yeah, this has got Darren Oh, written all over it. I totally. Oh, totally. Exactly. Did you hear Todd on the new media show say that he had set up an audio, and I'd be willing to share it. I love that that was great. Well, then it shouldn't there be in that scenario, should there not be a split, split? Or split? Of course, like I'm gonna pay, I'm gonna pay you a little bit in order to you to rent your stream

for a little bit. Right. But I mean, that that can also just be I mean, the simple sneakernet version is hey, man, let me use your stream. And I'm going to put you in the value block for the Live episode for the lit. Yeah. Totes. Totes McGoats I can't believe you said that, shall we? Shall we thank a few people who have sent been sent diligently sending comments feedback in the form of booster Graham's first show. I think it's time now Chimp, by the way, is no slouch. Chimp comes in

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part of our very coveted VPM. And soon we'll learn more about that. Yes. Thank you for being a VP VP M algorithm. Thank you for being a number. Yes, coming. Yes, was gross. I hate this stuff. Now I know I really dig it. I'm very excited. I'm very excited to learn just learning more. And now obviously, I see that it could be that people come together and say, Hey, we like this rule or the here's our whitelist or here's our

blacklist, and they put all together in open fashion. And they come up with something that, you know, that works for their system. I don't you know, I don't like the math. I don't like the math behind it. It's not just that I don't like math. It's that I think the math is is inherently flawed because the bigger so, you know, we talked about this with the podcast consultants who say okay, well, you have this many downloads. And here's the

current CPM rate. And if you increase your downloads by this and your engagement percentage by this, and here's the formula, and this is how much money you're gonna make. And that's, that's a complete BS, play it because in this is what's in my opinion, in my opinion, this is what is going to happen with programmatic. The more by its very nature of supply and demand by economic law, the more people who enable programmatic the lower the rates are gonna get absolutely

no, no, go ahead. Go ahead. I have something to add to that in a minute. Okay, it's as you if there's 5000 podcasters right now who hasn't programmatic turned down? If two years from now there's 200,000 that have it turned on your rates are gonna go through the floor? Kinda everybody's gonna make less money Yeah. Now bill rates are gonna go down the down the crapper, everything is gonna, it's gonna fall apart. I don't know. I think the fill rates are pretty open as it was.

It was really odd because both pod land pod line does mid rolls from Buzzsprout. And blueberry. They were they with who does blueberry have doing their their dynamic ad insertion? Sound stack? Does that sound right? I think I wrote it down here. Yes. Sounds good. Yeah, there's sound stack and advertised cast. Those are kind of the two players I believe. So now I've been receiving whenever I started the new media show an ad for nice and ice.com. Not quite

sure what they do is not appropriate for me. It's okay, they're short. Now, they're really kind of non intrusive. They're almost like very short radio ads, which is kind of the problem that I had with it. Because the one that I got today as I was listening was for a promotion for hepatitis C vaccination. Oh. Which, which, by the way, you know, that's foreign. My money. That's pretty good. I mean, that's that's impressive. That's that that's advertising out there. But it

took me to a place that I wasn't prepared for. I was ready for laughter known to lie. Taught and wrote morning, in the afternoon, then and I got to know, are you? Are you seething with hepatitis C? Bones coming out of your nose? No, of course you don't, because you're gonna get vaccinated with his Hep C vaccine. So it was just jarring. That's all. But I, what I was going to add to this as we I received our podcast evaluation for no agenda. Oh, pencast broker for the sale. Your pocket.com?

Yes, yes. What was the wait? Can you share it? I'm going to absolutely. I'm all ears. I'm on my toes. So podcasts broker.com I really liked this concept. You can say, hey, I'm tired. And believe me. DeVore. I've mentioned these numbers on no agendas at work. And I retired. Yeah, we're tired, man. Should we punch out? Yeah, we can sell this thing. Really? Yeah. Apparently we can. Now the podcast broker gives us an honest evaluation. And you know, that still has to put it

out in the market. But I think the podcast broker would hopefully already have an idea of potential buyers. Maybe not. It's an IPO. It's an it's an initial podcast offering. Well, in a way, except the except then the host don't get sold with the show. Yeah, y'all have to get out. You have to leave. That's the point. So and they don't want you this. What's your domain names your catalog, you know, all this stuff, everything. Now, besides that being I think pretty much impossible because

we don't own anything. All the stuff was done by producers of the show. Yeah, and that we probably never would. But it was fun to find out. But not for this money. So we I gave them some honest but general numbers. And the net present value at sale, do you want to guess the no agenda show what that would be worth to someone who's going to buy that? Without us? Just the nature of what this thing is? I'm gonna say that it's going to be something absurdly low. And I'm gonna say

I'm gonna go 150 grand. Oh, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. 15 years, man, almost 1500 shows now $1,846,611. Which is not enough for us to give it up, obviously. But here's what's interesting. So they say no, and it's a very short note. It's nice, it's formatted. But then it says on the right on the same page, it says potential annual programmatic ad revenue. Wait, you get a residual?

No, I think that this is how they would sell it is like this show with this audience has a, a potential annual programmatic ad revenue number. So again, the net present value, if we sell it, if someone would buy it is 1.8 million 1.85. Roughly, the potential annual programmatic ad revenue should you buy this fantastic property without the host? Or more importantly, and I think that was the message. Hey, why would you sell your podcast

when we can get you this money? In programmatic ad revenue? The number Oh, good. Okay. Now this makes sense. The number is $2.4 million. Well, there you go. I mean, before I get a value for value, stick it up your butt. We'll take the two and a half million bucks. Yeah, I mean, all you got to do is drop some Pepsi. Pepsi, you're a millionaire. You can move to Beverly. Yeah, you change nothing about your show. Except every every once in a while. You just say Hey, is anybody Hey, John, have

you taking your hypsi? Yeah, yeah, did Dad um, it was great. Man. It made it made me feel all tingly. And I thought oh, they got all freaked out. But then I thought you know what, this is kind of chill. The sad thing is both of us are very capable of doing that. We have done it before. We're very, very capable of it. Not a problem. So that was I see this. I see this now. Which I don't I still don't understand this whole, like, so. So the real for most people.

It's not about selling your podcast. It's about it's about oh, hey, you can get more money through programmatic ads. But if you got offered 1.8 million for a podcast where the host aren't there anymore. I don't understand. And this doesn't make any sense. All I was thinking was house podcast, the host or the show. I was thinking if I just kill off Dvorak, you know, the show has to end anyway. Boom. 1.8 mil for me, baby. Yes, right. You don't have to share that at all. No. Screw that.

I know I don't, I just don't understand when I actually think about he might kill me off. I gotta be careful. The funny thing would be is if somebody whoever buys no agenda, they're gonna get in there and be like, Oh, okay, Jim, contact us no agenda shop.com. Guys, let's check out that contract. See what it looks like. There's no contracts or

what? Yeah, actually, that's funny. You mentioned that. For the 15th anniversary, what I want to do is have a list of all the stuff that has been done by no agenda that has nothing to do with us. But all the you know, how many T shirts have been sold, how many artists got paid for that? How many meetups were there? You know, all there's so many cool metrics that we have no idea about.

You can imagine somebody doing the same thing with you by podcasting 2.0 show, and it's like, contact the OP three dot dev team, and let's get them in here for voice like, get them in here for a code review. So code reviews, you know, they they're their own thing, right? There's a what? Well, so that's one other important thing I want to say. Because it's, and I was gonna do a clip, because it was but then again, it was about a cast laying off, you know, 70 people, or 15% of its staff.

That said, it said, I don't want that to happen. No, of course, it's sad. But I do want to remind everybody, this is exactly what I predicted this is going to happen. Because for all of the billion dollars that is floating around podcasting, not a single one of these companies, except I guess parliamo, maybe that may be a different deal. But apparently, none of them are able to make profit. And a cast is public, which makes it even more. So it's unrelenting. If you're and I've run a public

company, I've run companies with 700 employees. And it sounds really harsh. And that was the worst part of of the job. And in this case, it was and it's very similar, I think, with advertising. Because we were in advertising, we lost the client

or the client, cut their budget. Well, there's a team. And depending on what you can do can move someone to other teams, can you replace him with a new client, which is usually the first thing you try to do you always have a pipeline, but it's not a team has to go that's that's the nature of the business and the advertising businesses the same? Whether you're in print advertising, or podcast advertising money on all sides of the equation. Yes. But I just want to remind everybody,

the core problem is the central bank rates. This is the core problem for most people who if you're now in your 30s Butoh, no, it was like before free money, the free money came after the financial crash, which is how they didn't fix anything. But how they made it groovy for everybody is the investors could literally banks could literally get money for free and invest it anywhere and go for growth, young man go for growth. And now

that's over. And I know how hard it is to actually make money in the advertising game with podcast unless you compromise to the degree that you're a making podcast for the advertiser and then supporting that with ads around your network. That's typically what happens happened to me. He's no shame in it, but it's annoying. Or the reason why I left my own company was I felt like I was building NASCAR's with great drivers, except here came the commercial guys. And they put stickers all over the

windshield, so my driver couldn't drive. Could you see and couldn't see out the windshield. And I quit. It was just it wasn't fun anymore. It was not funny. No, no BMW, though. Oh, they heard something on this podcast and Maj. Weinstein says something wasn't even advertised on that podcast, but as part of the network, I mean, it's a never ending, Nightmare nightmare. They want to be in control. They want to

know exactly what's happening. The ones that aren't are going to be you know, you're just not going to have enough of them at the low prices. They will actually settle for I mean, there's, I think I sent you a link there's companies who are buying up rendement advertising already and giving out great deals to people just you know, like Ricketts is a typical advertiser. I think they do. They own lots of small fast moving consumer goods. Like allergy stuff Zyrtec might be

there's Yeah, we're so products. You know they'll they'll buy remnant inventory just blanket the landscape. But you know, you got to think what you're doing when I when I put into the mood for my afternoon delight with A little bit of hep C jarring man, I gotta I gotta be honest about I'm okay. I'm not hurt, but it was jarring. Yeah. You know, I don't think the time to get out. If you were gonna get it. Do you think this is fair? In the podcasting

industrial complex? The time to get out with an exit was probably a year ago or two years ago. Yeah, well, you trigger something with me. Because when Joe was Pete getting out, really that also started a lot of other things. No agenda is completely inappropriate for no agenda is always going to be what it is until we're no more and then we'll see what happens. It's like Rush without no part. It's just not gonna happen.

Right? Exactly, exactly. When I hear that Spotify has now so they do music, they've expanded to audiobooks for which they

have oh, the prices are high. Well, they have prices. I have to say, you know, I saw this right away when they launched podcasting, when you go to put your, your work, your love your value, your your heart and soul, your emotion, your laughter, whatever it is, you're putting that into a podcast, and you're going to sign up with Spotify. And you literally take the box and give them the rights to everything and they pay you nothing. What is wrong with you people look at what they're

doing with other types of content. Why do you consider yourself to be less? Yeah, it's crazy. That's what it sounds as Spotify doing anything for for podcasts? Are there any advertising deals? Can you sign up and get ad money from them? I don't think they own megaphone. Okay. Now, I think they bought them maybe last All right earlier this one? Man, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But I think no, but I think you're right I mean think engine in

general. Taking your content and making money off of it and you get that goes back to the CPM thing. Why did my paper but the CPM thing, that CPM rate that 20 You know, whatever it said on there, like three, five and $12 for a programmatic? Five and $12. That's five and $12 total, that you only get 70% of that? Oh, yeah. Oh, there's that? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it goes to the, to the agency. So like, I mean, that's

that $5 CPM, currently, which may be $2, in five years. I mean, 1000, downloads gets you, you know, dollar, but whatever, you know, 70% of five bucks is, you know, 350, or whatever. You think that's not great. I love the vulture article in I guess that's part of New York Magazine. I haven't read that yet. It's very long. It is fantastic. Because it shows you it describes to a tee, the podcast industrial complex 100%, and how the people inside of it think. And it's it's all hits, it's all

hits driven. Oh, you know, we'd haven't had a hit like cereal for years. You know, it's like podcasting is just radio. Now. It's been ages since the last blockbuster narrative show. What does that mean for the medium as an art form? And what they're stuck in the the author, and a lot of the people reference here is the idea that, that you have to have a hit that everyone's talking about. But you don't you could this this show right here

is a hit. It's a hit in our industry. No one knows about it. You can get it on Spotify or Apple podcast. I know someone did upload it. You can't get it. On pirated us there. And that's interesting. We don't care. It's all about No, all the numbers are down. It's only 30,000. Now I like to care if you like and I really liked this podcast where the where the crawdads sing but but there's not enough people listening to it. Who cares? Did you like it? Were the curl deaths?

It was it was there was something? This is the Alex Bloomberg co founder of gimlet media, the ones golden child with a podcast business that was sold to Spotify in 2019. What does he say here? Oh, yeah. So in other words, immediate business. I was asking him is this all going to end up shaking out like radio? In other words, immediate business that mostly revolves around high profile Talking Heads Rush Limbaugh,

Howard Stern, Joe Rogan, Alex Cooper. The trio Will Arnett Jason Bateman and Sean Hayes, who reportedly signed a deal with Amazon worth as much as $80 million for it's all whole circle jerk. And they even say, you know, we've built Hollywood but you know, there's no content is no hits. And and it's the exact same problem is what you said about programmatic ads, there's a lot of podcasts, and they each have their own little audience and they have their own value structure and their own

value chain, and they're gonna be just fine. They will get

exactly out of it what they deserve. And that's and that's the future that is the media, you beef initiative, Texas slim as a podcast, it's really important for you know, hundreds of people maybe 1000 That's it to them that and that's beautiful, and there's money flowing and there's rancher selling beef and people feeling good and they're getting ended, the whole thing is, is is organized around a podcast that's the future that's the future of media we're living

right now this this idea of you have to have the be number one on the chart. It's It's ludicrous, you will lose only two people when and one of them was always Beyonce. You know, you know, this, this podcasting 2.0 in Apple podcasts that how we've been put in there. You changed the live image today, so that it did I just wanted you in the push notification. Again, I got I got a push notification.

Okay, so this is going to be in you have inadvertently done an experiment, because we don't know how this podcasting 2.0 Running with Scissors art got into Apple podcasts. Because that that art only shows up in two places in the feed. It shows up in the live item image tag in one episode, probably. And no, it shows up in every other episode, but only as part of the

images tagged the podcast colon images tag, Oh, interesting. So that means the apple podcasts directory, their aggregator is either running through the feed and looking and finding the first image it in hitting the first iTunes colon image it can find in grabbing that irrespective of XML structure, which would pick it up from the live item, or it's interpreting

the podcast colon images namespace tag. Well, I guess the third option less likely is ix. It's interpreting the podcast live item tag, which I doubt but who you know who knows what they're doing internally. So this is going to be interesting because if the image that you changed in the live item becomes the apple Podcast Directory image for us, we will know that they're picking it up from the live item. It doesn't, I'll get I'll give you another scenario. Here's what I think happened.

Okay, so you can so this image is just an episode image and I put the one of Phoebe in there with the value for value logo around her neck, which was done by Mark Don, thank you very much very funny. She got a little booties on. So I didn't sync that with the channel image. So it shows up in the notification shows up if you're playing the Live episode, the lit episode. It's possible that I that I synced the running with scissors image at one point during an episode just I think I

did I recall syncing it one. So it was the the logo. And Apple has a very stringent Rule No 2000 by 2000 Minimum image, you're not going to show up as an image. I'm pretty sure that I never bothered to make our channel image 2000 by 2000 pixels. So it must have picked up that one that was the channel image it is 2000 by 2000 I believe or bore larger. And so anything else has come since then it has it's just rejected it they won't change it. This is years of experience talking.

Yeah, I have to say sometimes I don't sync the channel image or I or I screw it up and I put the wrong image that isn't the 2000 by 2001 into the no agenda feed. And Ted horseman always emails me man. I love that guy. Hey, man fix should fix your image 2000 That's easy. I really tried to not mess that up there and to see how big this one is. This one was not your right. It's 530 for about 504 Our current one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dang it. I thought I thought we may have uncovered a secret tag use with a secret podcasting namespace tag with an Apple ID doubt it. I'm sorry. Hey, should we thank some people here, Dave, who have been supporting us so nicely and we're moving up on a buck 35 So we probably want to let people know the doughnuts are a little stale at this point. Cold coffee doesn't bother me. I'm alright. Yeah, sure. Wait, let's do. Let's do some safehouse first, we get big

week. Big paper week. We got Marco. Oh, $500. Every month he gets a big baller for that. Shot Carla 20 his blade on? I am Paula, thank you very much for our VPM increase. Yes. And I've got to contact him. I gotta contact him this week and ask if he needs the episode, the mimic the iTunes API mimic stuff. Let him know that that stuff was live. So you can use it as a fallback. And I need to contact him again to see if he needs the episode lookup. Okay, because that's part that's

another one but it's going to be a lot more complicated. If he doesn't need it. I'm not going to do it. Okay. Buzzsprout rally dollars. Play on am Paula. Big month. Nice. Thank you, everybody. I sent I sent Tom and Kevin a couple of our units or even in the index bro T shirts on my own. Oh, cool. I just got to order mine. I love those. Those are so so awesome. I wore mine at the at the Podcast Movement. Yeah. Did you get any comments on it?

Yeah, yeah. From Tom and Kevin there was like on the way man on the way you couldn't you should expense that to the index when you don't have to pay for that. That's fine. Now let's gates he gave us $100 As a one time I appreciate that. That's very nice. Yeah, very, very kind of of Alex and appreciate dearly to help with Python because I'm a I'm a Python idiot. I know nothing about. C let's do some booster grams. We got a chat Pharaoh 3333. Through fountain note. Thank you Chad.

Chad Pharaoh again. 25,000 SATs and he says Adam and Kyle make ice making ISOs while Dave was rebooting was podcasting gold. It was it. I had it here. I still haven't heard that. Oh, there we go. But you haven't your computer hasn't crashed yet, but when it does, I'll be ready. I rebooted the computer right before the show. went ahead and got it that means nothing. Trust me. I know how this works. It's coming. froze froze here. Gave us 5000 sets. No note.

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Well, I've been trying to sprinkle in every now and then I'm going to try to do a value for value podcast or that's not necessarily technical. Just go for the show. Yeah, yeah, maybe you know, wants to everyone just wants to know, every great once in a while, throw in an actual podcaster like I want to get chyron from immortals on the show at some point, just because it's really helpful to hear the non technical podcasters point of view, when it comes to how to handle all this stuff. And I

think I think that's a valuable perspective. Completely agree. Yeah. Roy Schonfeld. Hey Scheifele Roy, how you doing? 54321 And he just says great episode. How you doing? Thank you, Roy. I while we were in Georgia, there was a lot of a lot of lightning activity. They had no they on boarded the white oak pastures. And so the general store had a had a lightning checkout terminal and people know it was cool. And I use breeze for that all I think exclusively. I love breeze just

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of like a Markdown editor. So you can you could click in there and you can and then it changes on the I gotta find out the name of that is really, really cool. So yeah, and he's moving everything towards matrix. So that's been my foray into matrix and so far no one else has shown up but Gigi and I very very few people as a couple but there's very few so join us in the it's on value for value dot info on that. Excellent whoopsie man everybody's doing XMPP I guess.

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And with a million splits with 24 splits and they all worked. That's fantastic. Like, does it also work on the on the streaming sites and by the time you get done doing 24 payments, your next payment is almost do is queued up. It's ready to go. Yeah, it's just it's gonna that's what makes it current. That's why your phone is hot in your pocket. is because of this. Yeah, definitely. Reason why. Brian of London and hive Dao re won 104,269 sets.

Oh, I think we got a baller for that Oh, shot caller 20 is blades on I am Paula says ketchup donation because last week I was in Amsterdam for high fest where everybody knows the name of Adam curry. Yeah, they, man I've had so many people, including the organization asked me to come speak at Bitcoin Amsterdam. What I'm missing is someone saying here's a ticket. That's a problem.

And this is what I realized with a lot of these are all conferences, of course, but the Bitcoin Conference, I think to a degree the podcasting conference and you know, these things should change a little bit. Because what happens is you get so many people who are in the business one way or the other consultants, etc, that it's their business, that they you know, they are either having an expense account or they're there

for their business. but then they asked all these speakers to come over for free and spend your own money like I don't even know if this helps podcasting 2.0 anymore I mean it's like well I mean when it was all said and done it's about what's it going to be for us about fifth 1500 bucks 2000 For what for that for both of us to go to Podcast Movement and spend the days there and just gas money and everything.

I didn't calculate gas money but it was like it was like two grand for our hotels and our meals that we charged to the hotel which was not much I mean, it was you know 100 I was too busy getting dollars a gas for me to get there and back. Yeah, I don't I don't know what I spent on that. There was other stuff is not insignificant. Now but even fly to Amsterdam. That's your ticket is two grand. Go. Yeah, yeah. And of course I require business class. Here it is required. Do

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Yo, thank you comic strip blogger. And I love comics for bloggers weekly contribution for a number of reasons when we have the delimiter. We know it's the end of the donation segment because he always posts when he thinks it is time. And he posts that he has posted and he always posted all the splits were were successful. And so that way I know. All the nodes are working. I don't have to it's really it's true. It's a great service. There's at least one one morning a week, I don't have to worry

about the nodes running. Now it it's not actually him posting though it's aI at this point, right. Comics, your blogger is i What are you talking about? Yeah, that's true. So I don't know if we carried water for Putin. But I'll certainly won't mention anything positive about Putin, if you start using the term pod. Very good. In a general observation from a native English speaker, it's just a general observation. You

do as you do, boo. When you post feedback publicly to an app developer, and you say, Hey, what's going on with your app? The app? I for some reason, I want to strangle you. Is that just me? Noise if you strangled CSB, I will help you. Whenever he's it's always like, why isn't your appy app in the App Store? Hey, yeah, I think I understand where he is. Let me not his intent. I know it's never his intent to insult.

Now this this, this is, this is the apps I'm 100% sure that this is the reason he does that is because he's trying to make it distinct from a web app. So he's saying this, actually. No, I like that. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Let's see he CSB die. He died like six years ago. This is all AI so the AI is just doing the best it can. Down in Georgia. Ai stands for salt melts. artificial insemination is what it stands for down there. It's basically saying thank you. Thank

you comics for Blogger. Just just constructive feedback. Just let you know something I can come across as a little weird yes without that native app yeah but now that I'm I'm registered here at pod was that pod kowski podcast podcast, podcast podcasting dot info go learn more about your wonderful language you're gonna you know run through that big playlist of Polish podcast apps how much it's a Swati these days I wonder if that equals one's

Lottie you don't as Lottie is it Poland doesn't have the Euro they have this Lottie still this Lottie that's that's like a that's like their version of the dirty Jersey horror. Totally hear this Lahti the official currency and legal tender of Poland. Let's see what is the current exchange? I always like to talk I always like zloty and I thought they were always super smart for not going with the euro. So they maintain their own currency. Yeah, they didn't get into the economic union.

No, wow, I'm good for them. I don't know. There'll be the monetary union the probably monetary economic union. Yeah. Monetary. That's Polish loss. Right. Yeah. Okay, now we should do digital zlotys. It just sounds cool. But just hey, man, how many losses you pay for that slave? Is it a pretty coin or is it ugly? I mean, it's Polish. Polish looks. The South African Kruger is a beautiful coin. The Krueger Krueger? Krueger? Yes. We all have a gold Krugerrand somewhere.

Oh yeah. Yeah, that's beautiful. As as is the Australian kookaburra. That is also a very beautiful gold coin. Yes. Face to have a couple of monthly donors before you before you do that have a couple of lives that came in 5000 from the east side, Tony, thank you guys for all the hard work. You all inspired me to start the defend the network podcast, high school podcast, podcast, and Dred Scott comes in

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enjoyed Adams value for value speech. Score again. Big score can Can I just say that? You know, John DeVore X an improved understanding of Southern accents. It's very nice to have. It's gonna get a beat up someday is what's gonna happen. It's us. It's totally says, By the way, the goose that accent of the get he was the director of the place you were at down in Georgia. Oh, will Harris. Yeah, that accent that's not a Georgia accent. That That's incorrect.

That's just an old South accent that if you if you transport yourself back to eight, you know 1840 You're gonna hear that all over. You're gonna hit South Carolina, Mississippi everywhere. That's not a Georgia he was born. He's fourth generation on that ranch. Yeah, that's old. That's old south. Yeah. And you usually hear that either in in old southern families who have money or have been in politics. Well, he goes That's interesting. So that that's yes. I can see that he that he's very polite.

Very polite if you want to hear John Denson has very similar he's a longtime Alabama Alabama lawyer in Montgomery which is the capital city that's that's usually where you hear that is by storied his history to families of the South. I love when you know to you attended the whole conference as well. And so it was okay I'm gonna have dinner and then he piped up and said just so you know. Down here we call it Sapa. Message receives, we call it sub. Alright,

I got a bunch more stuff but we need to punt. I gotta head back to work. Oh, that's right. The summer the summer of Friday. The summer tropical schedule is over. It's no more. Yes, it is. That's right. Yeah. Beautiful. Next week we'll talk about phase six next week because we get we need to discuss that. Oh, hot namespace talk next week was promo little promo, everybody. Ooh, nice. Now it's time for some hot namespace

next week. Next week, join us appropriate because I had a I had a phone call with Dame Jennifer this week. And we did a little hackathon. Oh, it was also available next week is going to be the board meeting of all board meetings. I hope everyone has enjoyed. Dave Have a great weekend, brother. You too, bro. And everybody in the chat. Thanks for hanging out. Thanks for being with us for the live show. And we return next week for the official board

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