Episode 102: Down With OP3

Casting 2.0 for September 16 2022, episode 102 We're down with OB three Hello everybody. Welcome once again to the board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 Everything that happened this week in podcasting 2.0 Of course all that's going on with a namespace value for value. All the groovy stuff happening in podcasts index dot social. I'm Adam curry deep in the heart of Georgia and in Alabama. I'm waving at him right now. He feels SO CLOSE say hello to my friend on the other end. Mr. Dave Jones.

I can see Georgia from my house. Is that the Yeah, there you go. Sarah the callback? Yeah, that's a good one. It actually never happened like so many of these things. Well, you actually can see Russia from Alaska just maybe not from her house and she never said it. She never actually said it was What's your face the actress on Saturday Night Live. It was the thing where was that that that effect where you remember Mandela Effect? Mandela? That's it, man. Real man. Real man's real man. Yep.

And they're staying bears. So I'm go ahead. You're in the you're in the enemy territory. So Oh, I see. Yes. from Alabama. I gotcha. Well, it feels like I'm not at all in enemy territory. Although it may sound a little bit boomy. I'm in the kitchen of a cabin here. I literally do do do do do I have not heard banjos? Yeah, so I think we're

well you're you're in South Georgia, not North Georgia. So you're saying well this is Bluffton, Georgia at White Oak pastures which is pretty famous if you're into beef and regenerative farming will Harris is the is the owner of this has been in the family for since 1886. Or some crazy length of time. And this is the Big Beef coin. Beef coin, the beef I need to write that one down. Okay, basically, coin I gotta read it before the day is out.

There will be an old coin way that name somebody will also launch a beat Bitcoin blockchain. Let's do funny. Yeah, so it's not beef coin is the beef initiative. And it's pretty dynamite. You know, maybe 100 People here but a lot of ranchers and Bitcoiners some famous Bitcoiners even so I'm here with thanks a slim. We're shacking up in this in this cabin. And oh, cozy. That's Q

banjo. And. And he's actually upstairs on the balcony doing a podcast with Robert Breedlove. So it's like it's like this. It's very odd. Very odd situation. Will there be bandwidth concerns with dueling podcasts? We hope not so far. So good. I mean, it's it's actually pretty, pretty decent here. And I flew in from San Antonio to Atlanta drove down for about three hours. And now it has everything I want to fund drive. You know, that was 185 that was a great

drive. I mean, really? Yeah. You put on the cruise control. I mean, 65 on the speed limit everyone's doing at his blast and down as beautiful as it was the one that goes all the way to Orlando from like Atlanta. I don't know. That might be 85 but 185 it was nobody there's just nobody out there. Now he's I was going to Jones in first muscle speed down the street down that highway. Yeah, well, you I mean, you're you're doing the tour of the

South. I am you're trying to mate. You're trying to hit every every every point you've been what Nashville just this year. Nashville. Georgia, South Georgia. Wait, did I go to Nashville? I thought you went to Nashville for meetup. No, no, no. I got COVID And then it was at the skating rink and instead I dialed in, and I spawned records like that. 70s Disco records. Dynamite oops, sorry about that. I'm gonna open up the heli pads so we can hear when we get some live boosts. We

are live of course we're lit. Just noticed in pod verse that when you hit the when you hit the live notification, it pops up and it has the album art the album art that you specify for the live show. So this is a an opportunity. I'm very excited about the next show. Now I want to put some really cool in there.

Yeah, so the this has to be new because neither one of us remember this happening before this this can't I don't think I've ever seen the Albemarle show up on the notification unless I'm crazy. Well, I'm digging it is really really cool. And today we also have the the opp Oh, it is so I don't remember what it stands for. But I remember opp P. It's the original podcast prefix party. There you go. I don't know what they got. I have no idea what they don't remember what it is either, but I love it.

So I think we should talk about this real quick because I immediately went, Okay, I don't know what it is either. I want in I'll do it. I think I understand it. And then Stephen B, immediately put the functionality into sovereign feed. So all I had to do was check a box. And boom, every single enclosure has the opp juice. Yeah, okay, so this Yeah, we need to discuss every bit of this. Steven B is the as the fastest fingers on the planet. To me, it was like two hours start to finish. Boom, done.

It's our fan and it works. I mean, I love Steven B. Sometimes, you know, he does that and it doesn't work. So I love him. I love him for that. As it is as it will. It's not a slam dunk still best. I mean, hey, you run with scissors. Sometimes you get scratched? Oh, yeah. Yeah, sometimes you get one in the jugular. It just depends on Oh, I just said it's picking up the episode. So I'm actually going to put that into the into the show notes.

And you opp the last stream too. So yeah, yeah, fully Good. Cool. Is this where as opp that you can possibly LP PP. O Opie? Now, I'm not sure if the I don't know if it works on the light. I don't have that yet. I don't I don't know how this thing works. I don't know what. So the so I'm studying for the show I was doing on Thursday

night, I'm studying for the show. And then. And then John Spurlock post this thing, which blows up my entire show prep, because then I have to just go, you know, a Mobb Deep trying to figure out what this thing is that he just posted in in and then when it when it hit me a couple of minutes into reading what it was, I was like, This is big. Okay, this is this is really big. Do you have any idea what we're what I mean, here the idea at all? What this is?

Yes. What I think this is, is to be able to, in an open source manner, see exactly how many people are downloading my enclosures. And give me all sorts of details like you'd get from a hosting company, except it's raw data. And does that make sense? Yes, this is this essentially, like, this is essentially like pod track. are one of those services. Yeah. Does it accomplishes. I'm not gonna say the same goal because it can do a lot more stuff. And his aim is different. But it but it can do

the same thing in ED his base at its core. Yeah, meet us said Spurlock maybe loosely plus not me too, but I'm losing sleep right now trying to understand how I can use this to my advantage. I mean, I liked it. I just I'm not quite sure what it does for me. Okay, so actually, I do. Sorry, I do know, and I just got really excited. Okay, let's go. I knew he was building something. Because he went

silent. He went radio silent. Usually, usually, if a guy like Alex or or Spurlock goes goes, they're either dead or they're working on something. Yeah, we're both both. Hey, cloud. So Cloudflare is what he's using for this in the sense it you, you put this prefix on to your enclosure? Yeah. And so the first so what it ends up being is HTTP s colon slash slash op three dot dev slash, ie slash, and then the

full URL of your, of your of your enclosure. So that so that it hits the OP three dot dev server first, right? And then it registers basically your user agent, information, user agent and anything and any URL parameters. And anything else that's in the header. Okay, so basically, it has that has full access to everything that's in the HTTP request. And it's not tracking IP addresses or anything like that.

So that's where it gets fun because it is track it. So what it does is it you hit you hit the OP three dot Dev, I'm gonna say server in quotes, because it's not even really a server.

In the traditional sense, you hit mp3 dot Dev, it registers the download records, all of the information that it wants and trans trans, you know, magnifies it into whatever and Then it forwards you at three, it does a 302 redirect to the final destination so that you this or that you get passed off to the correct conclusion. Ah, okay, so I'm seeing here time you UID hashed IP address, ah hashed IP address hey now cool, right? No, that's hard. No IPs.

But this is unique. Of course, this this hashed IP address is a unique IP address. Yep. Of course, we don't know if it's a NAT or if it's some, you know, some other type of hub thing. You never really know what, what's behind it. But I guess that I don't know what I'm talking about

was told me to shut up. Now the source notes a good point, because these are this is what things like the AI based specifications, tried, one of the things that I tried to do is look at source IP addresses and still do some filtering, when it comes to collecting stats from them so that you can say, Okay, this IP address is corporate. So most likely, there's like 150 users behind this. Yeah, exactly. We need to treat this differently from a residential IP address, blah, blah, blah. So

there's an aspect of it, because so so that still exists. And that still has to be dealt with. And, and he's going to say he is open source. So that's the first thing to know all of this is open source. Anybody can contribute and make these changes and help him make these changes. So it's purely open source, meaning it is also auditable. It can be audited, and he said he's triggering the deployments to Cloudflare from GitHub, so that you know that the thing you're seeing on

GitHub is actually what the live code. That's cool. Cool. So it's really just a Cloudflare hack. So it's not really you said, it's not really a server. I mean, we don't need to go too deep into it. But it's See, this is the thing with Spurlock, he walks around and he's, you know, he has a little you think he's a little goofy. And then he's, like, this guy is a genius. I mean, I would love by the way, you know what I mean? He's just unassuming very nice. I mean, doo doo doo doo.

And, and then this holy crap. He's got some weed that he needs to share with. This was there's there are there are geniuses within podcasting? Oh, heck, yeah. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Like legit genius, real geniuses. Yeah. And somebody, you know, somebody like Alex pops out with a pod ping, you know, with a pod ping Docker that you can run on Google. And it's like, what the,

you know, it's like, this is one of those things. So if you it's running running on Cloudflare workers, which are sort of like Amazon lambda functions, meaning that you can you can run JavaScript do a very one function, only one very small instance for Yeah, I got, yeah, one font, yes, one function and it spins up the runs the function and then goes away. They're ephemeral effects, ephemeral code that just runs valance on Cloudflare is infrastructure

cool. On but it runs on the edge, meaning that it runs in the local data centers where we're where it's triggered from. Yes, I see that as an edge colo parameter that's passed off and I see a lot of Dallas Fort Worth, and I see a couple of SUNY Atlanta, there's like 200, and something novels dop, listening Cridland go to bed. There's like 200, and something. Edge data centers for Cloudflare. Because we're global. And these things run locally, so that you get by default, you get region you get

region coverage. So you can say I've got this many listeners in the Atlanta region in Fort Worth, is there an export to Excel option? Yes. Know, yeah, no, I love the JSON. But it'd be nice to have an export to XML. Yeah, that is coming down coming down the pipe. So and then you have he's also he's storing it in I forgot the name of it. It's like there, it's not there. key value store, durable objects as it Cloudflare durable objects, which is a distributed database

across all the colos. So I mean, this thing is, is very lightweight from an from a from marine resources standpoint, yeah, it's heavy on Cloudflare system, but they, but they have the bandwidth to do it. And they make it available so that it's not cumbersome for you to run as an administrator. Where do you think edge CoLo? Y Y Z is located? No, that's Toronto. Oh, you know what? No that no. Because you're the pod sage. I don't have to question.

No, sir. Our, our, our guest, I think we have a guest in the lobby. Our guests can back me up today. That is the origin of the song. Why was he by rush? Oh, do we want to bring our guests in already? I mean, our guest doesn't know how to talk. I mean, he's not going to be a dud. No. Yeah, I would it can we send Can we send Travis out there to get our guests on a second? Let me see if I can ping Travis. Okay. Do you like how I used a used a male reference name to for the assistant instead of

open the door Travis. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the official board meeting of podcasting. 2.0 The man who you thought you knew from his podcast, but it turns out, he has a Wikipedia page. This guy is unbelievable. And of course the host of the intergalactic boombox, please say hello to Kyle ybert Hey, hey. Oh, there he is. How's it going, Kyle? Hey, it's going great. How are you guys?

Yeah, we're good. We're doing good. I'm amazed that this is working at all having having all these different, different streams coming in at the same time. Oh, yes. Yeah, firstly, in feed. They do so we do use clean feed as part of your professional work. Actually, I don't sometimes I've used different things like Zen caster and things for like podcast interview type stuff, but for myself, I'm all 100% Post produce, so it's me. Yeah. And Adobe Audition. And you're aware in Burbank?

Yeah. Burbank, California, everybody now How long have you been up? There? I am. Sally, because I live I live there I live right near Burb? I live in the hills overlooking Burbank. Oh, nice. Yeah, like at the top of the hill is that that radio tower and on the other side is the Hollywood sign. You've got it all man. You've got the dream. You live in the dream. How many homeless tents are there? It keeps growing every year. It's amazing. I'm telling I

moved out. I moved out here in 2005 from Dallas. So basically, I'm a Texan even though I'm from Louisiana, Lake Charles with a bear is a common name like Smith or Jones, though. Sorry, Dave. Yeah, you gotta you gotta come in last name. I do. Yeah. Yeah. When I told when my wife we met. We met in Moscow and came home and she said, and she said, Mom, I told her mom, she's like, Mom, I met a guy in and her mom was like,

Oh my God. And you know, like, she met a Russian. She's like, No, no. She was like, no, no, no, he's from he's from here. His name is Dave Jones. And she's like, tell me the truth. His name is Igor. It's such a generic name you know? So I've been told that the way you properly address Hollywood people is to say Kyla, love your work you have to add a man to the end there it's got to be more love

your work man. Really love it. They still say that? They still say it that way they do i i make more of a living going to conventions than I do for actually recording vo but yeah, there's a lot of people that will say you're the voice of my childhood. Because I started back in 2000 with this little independent anime show or a little tiny called Dragon Ball Z. And it's it's it's fandom is stronger than ever because the movie this summer Dragon Ball Super superhero was number one I week it

was released. Congratulations. I got a lot of questions. I have a lot of questions about your career if you don't if you will indulge I know it's a little bit outside the boardroom we'd like to know our board members and see it as you know depending on your answers possible increase in benefits so you so you're I mean, and I put a link to your wiki pedia because people got to see this. Your filmography is an you know, that includes anime live action series, animation, film, video games. It's

unbelievable. And I've and I've tried, here we go. I have tried for four years to break into voiceover work. You clearly figure it out. And it has to be it has to be for the voice as you can do because I mean, that's you have so many different I mean not just Voices sounds you can make. This is this. Yeah, you've been doing all your life. I have. And ever since I was a kid watching Looney Tunes and my dad telling me about Mel Blanc, it's like, oh god job I want to

do that. So growing up in the 70s, I'm taking a little cassette recorder I'm doing you know, silly voices, fake commercials playing DJ with the turntable playing kiss records and all that. So I was always fascinated by theater, the mind stuff where I could entertain, and entertain without being seen because I was really shy and really introverted and everything. So I turned, you know, the shy kid who just keeps to himself and grown up during the high school years being all

about metal and Iron Maiden, Judas Priest. Yeah. All that good stuff. Yeah. How old are you Kyle? I'm 53 Okay, so we're in kind of in the same vein, right? Because I have a similar story from started home, you know, with with a tape recorder very interesting. So Dragonball Z, that was your breakthrough. That was the breakthrough in terms of voiceover. I was a DJ first on radio, Disney. And I was already on this. So you got the programming. I got

the programming. University of North Texas I got a bachelor of arts and Radio TV film that turned into a internship with ABC Radio Networks and was going up and down the hall over on various formats from top 40 to classic country to heavy metal to kids radio. Oh, dude. Finally, I meet another DJ who made it out. doesn't happen often. Usually they die with a U haul attached to the truck. Oh, they do. But the great thing about satellite radio is, you

know, it was it was it was stable. I mean, yeah, the local level. We're sending syndicated national feeds. This is years before Sirius XM. And it's aimed at small and mid sized marvels, dude, I'm telling you. I mean, I used to send out CDs every week for my top 30 hit list. And before that, of course, it was records. And there's always some dude who wants to be a DJ who have to get up at three in the morning on on Sunday to go into the station

and then put my show on. And that was our Cintiq. And it works. You know, it's distributed throughout the whole country. That's right. And you, you know, on the local level, you'd be like, You got to have your FCC license and you mow the lawn, and you're the program director slash, you know, Mark, to juggle everything. Back in the days when mom and pop operations were a thing. Good times. Yeah, good times when when radio was still radio.

And with podcasting, we've we've approached the same kind of need from a different angle somehow. Maybe it's modernized. Now the radio is so much the car I think in general. Yeah, yeah. Oh, when? When you basically kind of reinvented radio for the internet. So when podcasting dropped, it was like, Hey, this is radio for everybody with an internet connection around the world instant distribution for free. You know, none of this and no money. FCC lies and no one no money. It's just like

real radio. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Monetizing. What's that page? One more question about this. How do royalties work with video games? There are no royalties. We call it residuals. There are no residuals with anime or video. I'm sorry. Yeah, residual. Yeah. Oh, no, no worries, let's buy out and shut up. And that's it. That's basically it's like, here's this really obscene ly

low fee. Now actually animes, the obscenely low fee, you can get as low as, you know, 50 bucks an hour, and you're done recording in a couple of hours unless you have a recurring role. And even then you can't really pay rent on that. So the people that are making a living with anime usually are going around the country or the world sometimes at these conventions, you know, selling autographs and photo ops and they're able to monetize that way. So I call conventions, the residuals for

anime and video games. And so now, are you allowed to use the brand name in your appearances? Ah, yeah, don't ask Nortel and one of those tricky things. Yeah. One of those tricky things. Man arts. Yeah, right. It's a gray area. I bet there's dynamite groupies at those conventions. I'm happily married, but I'm very happily married. We can still talk about dynamite groupies. Come on Kyle. They're all there. But the thing is, yeah,

the real group is pulling eyes for the female characters. Those are the groupies. That's true. That's true. And back in the day, you know, conventions Comic Cons, comic conventions, anime conventions, was almost all dudes. Yeah. And then in the 90s and 2000s. It started becoming appealing to younger ladies. And I like to say that was just because these dudes that scored hot chicks ended up just dragging them kicking and screaming to the bed what you're doing this weekend.

I got a, I got a fun idea. Yeah, you're dressed up as this, like who's this and like, trust me, you'll get it. You'll get attention for it. And then suddenly they liked it, you know, way before selfies in social media. It's like, oh, you walk two feet. People want to take your picture, walk another two feet. People take your picture. You don't get anything done. But yeah, so it's so you do intergalactic boombox, you showed up pretty early and really with a with a great podcast for the mission.

First of all, you're super talented. It's 10 minutes. So you just want to listen to it every single time. And you're using all the 2.0 features. How did you? I'm sure this was obviously not your first podcasting foray. Um, the that's I say, right, right. Dopo keep that on the agenda the other day? Oh, God, I forgot the question. All right. Yeah. Is this your first question is, is this your first podcast? And the comment is surely not.

No, no, back in 2005 or six. I got so excited because I was listening to Adam on daily source code and learning about podcasting and everything. So So me and my buddy started the big ball broadcast, which was geek News Central, we just go back and forth talking about geek news, because geek podcast are, you know, a dime a dozen. And so it didn't, it wasn't really successful. But you know, we learned quickly that you don't get into podcasting to make money, you do it because it's

fun. And, you know, if you can build an audience, that's, that's icing on the cake. So I did that for a few years. And then you know, just like anything else, you get a little tired of it, you step away, and then step back in, but God as soon as you guys started podcasting, 2.0 the podcast, I was glued, I was listening. It's like this tech, I don't understand that at all. But I really want to be a part of this. So I would listen and do research about Bitcoin and the

Lightning Network. And it started to click like, almost a year later, but it's like, this is a reason this is gonna light the fire to make me want to come back to podcasting. I want to be able to do something. I'm a voiceover actor. That's what I do video games, anime, and we do live action Dubs and feature films and all that we come in and we're anonymous, basically, you know, we're not the celebs we just come in, and maybe you might see a quick, you know, additional voices credit. If

you're lucky. You have to pause it these days. What bastards? I like watching credits because I know some people in in the business. And it's also I mean, if you watch it on TV, they throw it in the corner, or they roll it at 20 speed. It's really rude. Yeah, and then the screen minimizes and it's like, it's getting ready to go to the next episodes. like wait, I want to see I know people don't count you don't count. They don't count. That's my daughter too much waiver. Oh, we

went to see Dragon Ball Super the other day. Great. You did awesome. Man, you Yeah, we loved it. And so we were looking at were we waited, watching the credits. And it was all the all the Japanese names, just all it just just showing up for the entire credits. And then there's like it ended. And then there was one still shot of all the American voice actors. Yeah, that's all. Oh, well. One shot or at the end.

Okay. It was actually inserted in other countries that don't even bother us like they throw up a JPEG of the American people, you know, do this standard. Yeah, yeah. Sadly, like dub cast for for taking American shows and WM into French or Spanish or whatever. Those guys get credits. But for some reason the American cast is kind of tossed to the side. They're an afterthought. Now I get it with Dragonball Z and anime stuff, because that's primarily

produced in Japan. And we're just doing an English version for people who speak English and don't want to read subtitles. So I understand. But yeah, it would have been nice to be like one one singular credit roll with everybody, you know, because there's so many 1000s of people that work on these projects. And at least Marvel got it right. They'll get people to sit through credits to watch you know, posting. Yeah, I agree. That is a good development.

Like, don't leave you're gonna miss out now. But you were building your own feed, I guess because you were so early. There were no podcast hosts that could do a feed with all the features. Yeah, I trusted my friend to kind of look up how to do an RSS thing. And we hooked in through iTunes, of course, and I don't

think there were very many other outlets back in the day. And we used archive.org to host the files and you know, it never became an issue because hardly anyone was Sit and have I don't know about for intergalactic boombox. I have since learned some things. Oh, here we are I I heard about you guys talking about different hosting services and I ended up being with Buzz Buzzsprout I really liked what

they're doing. I listen to buzz cast and all that and I liked that they've integrated the images and chapters feature which makes it very easy for me to to upload that stuff. I just type in the info and there's probably easier ways to do that. But I'm not a programming guy. So I don't know how to do all the all the fancy stuff and heli pad and all that in hosting your own node that's above my paygrade so I did I hooked into the telegram with the Satoshi stream.

Yes Satoshi stream first Yeah, and then got in with Oscar and then with fountain it's like we can host your feed like Oh, okay I see what's going on here. Excellent. Yeah, that a cast of Whoa, lo she got he admitted fountain. Eggs. No, of course. No, I love all of our apps. You know, I love helping people onboard through fountain but I also love to date someone said, Hey, man, I really love fountain but I can't I got visually impaired I can't see shit. And I love being

able to say Oh, check out pod verse. Mitch has actually done a lot of accessibility stuff. I mean, I love all these options. That's what makes it so cool. Yeah, and I plug new podcast apps.com Like, like a crazy. No, you do. You do. Now? Have you ever monetized before with your podcast? I love the word. Have you ever monetized? Kyle? I love monetize everybody. No, no, that was that was back in the day when it's like, here's her Pay Pal email. And it's

like, crickets for years. That's like, okay, yeah. But I admitted myself, I was a fan of all these podcasts. And I didn't donate to anyone. So it's like, how do you how do you do this? How do you try to. And then came the concept which you guys, of

course, invented with value for value. And that concept kind of started sweeping and hearing about it more elaborated on with your various guests of all these wonderful apps different for different read great for different reasons about value for value, and how you're trying to get your audience on board with this great concept of hearing. If you like the content, what do you think it's worth? And yeah, Apple and Spotify in them. They're not paying attention to that. And

it's like, okay, but look at these developers. They're doing perfectly functional apps that do things that the big guys aren't doing. So it's like pulling teeth though, getting people to try new apps much less try new podcast, but oh, yeah, no, it takes forever. In fact, with Korean the keeper. I mean, we're at the these, this is a group of people who listen

to that show. They don't use an app. They Oh, yeah, they just, oh, just give me a link and don't just click it and then just place and, and so I've been arduously have been onboarding

them. And you know, it happens often that Tina will get a text at 10 at night like okay, how come I can't send Satoshis from the strike from the strike wallet into the pod verse is it's hard but that was the same 20 years ago with podcasting 1.0 And we had to literally walk people through how to Subscribe to How To Find The feed which involved a website Yeah, and and now is the uphill battle of trying to convince people you don't have to convince them the value for

values a difficult thing to understand but trying to understand Bitcoin that took me years to Yeah, and unfortunately the the fandom that I speak to on social media platforms, they're all very anti Bitcoin. It's like, oh, it's a scam. Rip off this like, oh, yeah, they're, they're not into it at all over there into NF T's. No, they're very anti, as well. Really? That's funny, I would have thought that the you know, that the enemy crowds, you know, who would have thought that

those was made for nfo? Yeah, that seems like a natural fit for some reason. Yeah, some of my colleagues have tried to do in that and they got so much hate that they instantly pulled out of NFT projects. Well, I think I think it's probably the nature of people who are really into anime and this type of stuff. This genre and yeah, and I think for them Bitcoin has just been branded as toxic toxic bros, you know, they they they make crypto kitties. Yeah. Kind

of like that. That's a feat. Does that does that ring ring true at all? Yeah, like there's a vision of 20 something 30 Something hipsters that that. Like they just walked out of high school. They're millionaires and they don't wear socks and don't wear socks. I hate that look. Yeah.

By the way, I have to read this book. histogram from blueberry 33,333 SATs we are actually on route to a convention crypt crypto crypto calm right now saw Dragon Ball Super Hero super superhero was it super superhero?

Yeah talking about super super hero super superhero in theater and wow this movie had one of the all time greatest scenes in the series as a whole when go hunt go hunt that's your character go hunt Yeah, was informed this daughter had been kidnapped holy bejesus, I was clapping Yeah, Gohan has been a character has kind of been in the background teaching and being a good husband and a good father and all that but the crux of the Dragon Ball is Who's the

strongest character those strongest fighter and go Hans always had this potential. He was strong as a kid. He defeated one of the big bad guys sell back in the day and fans have been waiting for go on to be great again. So for years I've been saying when may go on great again, because he's not the main character. He's the son, the grown son now of Goku, the main character, but Goku and this other character Vegeta are kind of like the big stars of the show.

And while he wants to explain it all to me, that just sounded like Shenron the dragon that thanks, grants or wishes, wishes when you gather dragon balls together, I can have a career in enemy. Yeah, yeah. Well, as long as you can do that, yeah, there's, there's all sorts of tricks. We remain anonymous. And people are like, you're doing this voice, and you're this voice and this voice and this voice. But we always try to tell people it's

not about doing voices, it's about being a good actor. You're a good actor, and you're not a douchebag and you show up to your sessions, and you're good, and you're professional, and you're directable and all that fun stuff. You know, put good karma out Good Karma comes back your way. It's hard to break into its it is just looking at your your credits. Man. It's amazing. What a career. It's really phenomenal. I'm very, very impressed. Thank you. And it does take 10 plus years to be an overnight

success. Yeah, of course. Of course it does. Well, it sounds like you what you did was you took your your early days of podcasting of geek news, and all that kind of stuff, and 2.0 and the researchers to come back, and you just kind of merge them into into a thing that it was just for fun. It doesn't sound like you're trying to make this. It sounds like what you're trying what you have now. But what you've what you've built, I

mean, you were 65 episodes. 66 Yeah, we're now at 70 just posted today, Saturday, okay, to say, after 70 episodes, like what you've ended up with, is a really great mark, you know, marketing mechanism and, and, and channel for you, for your fans specifically to hear more of you on a weekly basis. Where it's sort of a, it's not really it doesn't seem like to be a monetization thing really, for you. It just seems like to be more of a connection mechanism and fun.

Yes, yes. Because the fans that go to conventions, they're they're starving to get to meet the heroes of the industry that work on their shows with not just voice actors, but artists, directors, producers, you know, music, people, all that sort of thing. They just want to feel closer to these, the people that

are blessed enough to get to work in this industry. So yeah, the podcasting thing is a great platform because I was very fortunate to kind of build a following on the convention side and the fandom side, and and tried to lure them over to something else because other voice actors have had success as musicians. It's like, Hey, if you watch me on this show, I do alternative rock and then suddenly their band is doing well because they got a bunch of fans and then they

Yeah, if I may. Yes. intergalactic boombox seems like a perfect place for Gohan to educate people in value for value and podcasting 2.0 particular really does particularly value for value I think. I think when someone says all people don't like Bitcoin, I don't like those of the people if you can convince them if you can show them the light. I would love to make my characters that I don't own a mouthpiece for such great.

I just met I met I meant in general just more I think that you can really do a lot of onboarding because you could make it really fun. Yeah, I'm trying to I'm taking the concept of a podcasting spaceship. intergalactic boombox is a name that I'd used back in my radio days. I used to pretend that I was on a on a spaceship and blasting heavy metal and I called it the intergalactic

boombox and I would talk to my own characters. I had an alien back in the day we use reel to reel tape here remember this

datum? Or do I'm sure it's splicing with a physically splicing with a razor blade and a grease pencil marking the exact points and get those like I want to hear There's a Metallica flyer and then I'm interacting with myself I'm scripting parts for my little alien character to come on board and I put the pitch up so it sounds more like you're beating a drunk engineer character that's low pitched and drunk but now all that stuff's here with filters and stuff on all these

different interfaces that and you know you got road caster Pro and can sound demonic on demand or like a chipmunk you do a lot of a lot of posts on the show on integral 100% Post Oh, yeah, yeah, I scripted first, and then I recorded Oh, yeah, yeah, it takes about between four and six hours I bet it turns your crank out 10 minutes then I'm going through YouTube and converting hopefully royalty free sound effects

we all do it brother we all do it. I love when when you're when you're trying to record something off of YouTube and all of a sudden like It's like sound effects from keeps coming in every single time. Yeah, you try to clip around it yeah, we've all done it Yeah,

yeah. But But keeping that that the love I've had since childhood for theater the mind love an old school radio shows from the day the shadow and the worlds and all that stuff and and now that audio books and podcasting have really caught off as a genre itself true crime and audio dramas to or Apollo app and all that. This is like a new golden age for radio for audio of the mind and everything. Do you think that I have as anyone really successfully done

a real proper radio drama? I mean, so a lot of the crime stuff comes very close. But but but without narration, you know, really just were you it's truly like a soap opera that is not narrated, it opens you, you understand the characters. There's dialogue and it closes and then you wait for the next episode. I don't tell you and even date you and meet us did Christmas Carol? That's. That's right. Yes. Yeah, that was that's what I mean. Something like that. Yeah. That

was fancy. Yeah. Yeah. audio dramas or radio dramas from back in the day because radio is, you know, it is what it is. Now, it's it's certainly not going to host storytelling. But you have, like I mentioned before, the Apollo pods thing is like this hub for audio drama podcast. And of course, they're all hosted on all the other platforms too, but just go to central place. You're

hearing things that tell a story. I think a great example of audio theater is Neil Gaiman's The Sandman, not even this is a year or two before the Netflix live action adaptation. It's audio. And of course, the script is adopted to you know, paint the picture, where characters have to kind of not clunkily describe like, well, let me get this paper. And now I'm going to write up and write a letter, you know, it's a it's not spoon feeding you everything. But with sound

effects and a great score. And, of course, a great cast who can act, it's not just about doing voices, you're you're you're making an audio movie. And it doesn't always work. But when you get the right team together things like the Sandman or all these other audio books that get turned into it. Star Wars was an audio drama on NPR in the early 80s. And it was fantastic.

However, there's there is there a difference between the audience is I mean, I know there is but I'm asking really for, for the technical side of things, because, you know, we have the medium tag where you can tag a podcast feed as being a certain type of content, music, audio, book, Film Video. It, would it is it appropriate to put a different medium tag of like, drama or audio drama, because it sort of stands as its own thing.

It's not a book. And it's not a podcast, is there a way that Chapters and, and other namespace features can be presented differently that would create a different experience for an audio drama? Yeah, that's a good question. And I guess my question always has has been as you guys have evolved, podcasting. 2.0 is, well what does tags what is the purpose of tags, honestly, because I I'm, I'm kind of trying to put it into my head is tag like a search kind of thing.

No, I'm sorry. So when we say tags, that means it's one of the features that podcasting 2.0 has added. So chapters. So that's the chapters tag, and that just means it's just kind of a plate. It this is interesting, Dave, take notes to take note of this. So that's when we say that on this show in the boardroom is really just the transcript tag. So what we're saying there is, how would transcripts work for you? That value for value, the value block is also a tag. So it's really when you hear that

out of our minds it just means feature. Okay. So in the x, it's on the XML, it's in the XML of the RSS, there is a, there's literally a, a piece of code in the XML feed. That's called transcript. And it references where the transcript file is. So that the podcast app sees that and knows, oh, this podcast has a transcript, it'll know to go get it. And every so you could like, the medium tag would also live inside of your

Buzzsprout feed. And you can say, medium audio drama. And because in when the app like pod verse, or cast automatic are found, sees that, that tag in the XML in the feed file, it knows, oh, this is an audio drama. But this is not a normal podcast, this is this is music, or this is a drama or this is a video or whatever. So it helps the hosting service kind of curate know the unstart

really for the list? No, no, no, it helps the app, understand what content the this is a very good conversation, what it is what content the creators made available. So when you use Buzzsprout, an app, those are Apple, Apple go. But you get an app like fountain, he'll say, oh, okay, there's a value blog has got transcript, he's got chapters, okay, I know how to display all that. Here it is. It's really, it's really part of you. So when you publish, if you publish chapters, you know, that's you

pushing that out. Same. Same with all the other pieces, even, you know, a location tag or a person tag, all of that all of your content that you're creating at the hosting level, and the apps are the ones that receive it. And so what I'm trying to figure out, is, if you have a type of content that we already are talking about music, so you would have you use all the same things that you would on Buzzsprout even except, instead of show title that will be track title, instead of

season, it would be album title. And but because you put the medium tag in there, which means Hey, this feed is is music, then the app knows oh, I want to treat this more like a music

player. So that's a very defined example. But when we're talking about Yeah, enhanced video or audio projects, in that case, you may want the transcript to be more visible or not visible you may want to have characters pop up and maybe not go away from the screen I don't know I mean, I'm I'm just shooting from the hip it's so open and so wide open that it just comes down to

what can what can we dream up? Yeah, well, you guys talking about the music thing and whether it should be you know, findable in a podcasting app or whether it should be its own thing. I was thinking maybe it should be its own thing to for help people to go to one central location to find value for value artist. I talk about podcasting 2.0 It's some of my panels my q&a panels because I'm trying to you know,

spread the gospel. Thank you. And sometimes the Their faces look a little glazed over but I talk yeah, I get that at the dinner table believe me. Yeah, but if I say hey, you listen to this album, you love it. So you didn't buy it but you're paying a service to stream it like Spotify or whatever. But what if you had an

app that did the same thing? It's streaming you the music, but you say I love that guitar solo I want to pay that guitarist some money then you can do that you can use it there and donate directly to the musicians or the band and altogether and same thing with Hello. So I hit the mute button sorry. I like what just happened I'm pressing buttons here I'm like what did I do? What did I do? So we hit the impede the intergalactic boombox ran out of fuel there it is crashing from our stationary

orbit. But yeah, I'm surprised the the big of the record labels in the music industry haven't thought of this but of course they don't really think about oh please no you're not you're not surprised new I'm not surprised it's like no Taylor Swift we want to find another way for you to make millions Well, that's what so you can I mean, it's coming from the Hollywood side is interesting because you like this is part of that has been saying lately that you know what I got a clip oh,

let's go to clip EJ was to clip it on this now this is going to be interesting to you Adam. Because this is I'm just going to add forgot his name. But I'm just going to call him NPR dude. being interviewed and Sam interviewed him. Oh, the Oh, NPR. I don't know who the NPR dude is NPR. NASM Oh, yes, I know exactly. whoever you're talking about because I heard this reference, I heard that okay, I think, Okay, hit hit solve everything.

One of my many CEOs that I served with when I was at NPR, as last CEI service name is Dr. Oman, he had an amazing career in media. And he's to always have a phrase that he would use that I rolled my eyes at first. And then over the years, I found myself quoting it all the time, which is nothing solves a problem like a hit. He's like, there are problems with business models, there are problems with relationships, there are

problems with the ebbs and flows of business. But if you make a hit, a lot of those problems, either go away, or the options become much more interesting, and you have much more opportunity to figure out what the options can be. And so his saying that implied focus on making hits. And I think that's why is the advice that not many people in podcasting are taking right now. Because podcasting right now is a hand to mouth

industry. People are like, I need downloads, I can get advertising and I just need to shovel as much cash into my mouth as possible. But they're not thinking of like, very few, very few, I would struggle to think of anyone in the podcast space right now. We're just thinking of like, what do we want to be three to five years from now? And how do we make decisions today, that will put us to be the leader in the space we want to fill in three to five years. That's the type of

thinking that is missing from podcasting. Right now, for the most part, it's all quarter to quarter how do we get next year's buys? Or how do we even scripts and things like how many people do we get in? People aren't thinking about? Yeah, a couple things. First, so this is a he left, a couple

years back, Yarrow Mon. I know him very well. He hired me at MTV, only his name was not Yarrow mon and Carl, you might know him because he was a big guy in the 80s in Cleveland on the radio lemasters to remember lemasters a name a real top 40 Pure graden but a real top 40 pukalet. Everybody Yeah. Wow, whatever it was, yeah, pretty much. I liked this a lot. Because that of course, was ultimately what MTV ran on. Its business. And when I started pod show, which turned into me VO,

by the way, the what's the X anchor guy name? Who? Who keeps saying RSS is no good. There's no innovation was that guy's name? Oh, Manyana Yeah. So he said Oh, no, all podcast it'll all be video dude. been down that road. We did that. And guess what? No, we we switched a whole company from audio to primarily video. And now stick with a stick with audio. But this headspace business is exactly what everybody's doing. That's what Spotify is trying to do. That's what a cast is

designed to do to some degree. That's what I Heart Radio is doing. The podcast industrial complex is in fact, a hits driven business. And that's all they're looking for. And absolutely right, a hit solves everything, then everybody's happy. And you see now that after a while you get it you know, you get a hit like Joe Rogan, which they purchased, then it's very hard to get another hit. They tried it with the Obamas man wasn't really hit. He didn't really work. Till Yeah, that's a great clip.

That the the what confused me? Because he starts out by saying, You know what the hit the hit solves everything, the hits, you know, people aren't thinking about the hits. And I think what he was saying is, at first at least was, you know, three to five, you need to think three to five years down the line. And, and then, you know, you need to think about your hits. But we need to hit right away. Yeah. And I'm like, well, that doesn't work. That's not the way that

work. Works. Nobody's thinking three to five years in the future and will clearly I mean, podcasting. 2.0 That's all we do is think about three to five years in the future. Yeah. And so I think then you're on Todd Cochran said recently, and I'm gonna give him a lot of credit for this. Every time I can, as he said, You know, I've been thinking for the last, you know, 10 years about and building for the 97%. And he said, he now realized I need to build for the 3% because that's a forward

looking longer time. Yeah, there you go. I'm glad you brought this up. Because there's something that I've been thinking about and working on. And it comes on the heels of our conversation about dynamically dynamic ad insertion on the last board meeting. And we're saying, hey, is this a success? I mean, is it working? And so I've

learned a couple things. So you have your disparate people so so you know, if you take advertising Then you're going to be working with CPM, which is a very odd word, I don't know why they still use the M, it stands for cost per meal, which is French for 1000. I don't know why they still keep that in there. So it's cost per 1000. So that means for every 1000, in this case, downloads, I believe that's still the metric in

advertised podcast industrial complex, you get a number. So the, the more number, the more 1000s you have, the more CPMs you basically multiply that by the CPM dollar amount, and that's what you'll get, or you'll get probably 60% of that 70. So there was this number floating around 23 $24, which I've been hearing for a long time. Now it turns out and I've been listening to all I listened to pod land, I listened to new media show I listened to what's the Brian Barletta? What's that?

Sounds profit is profit. I'm sorry, I travel a lot today. And so that's for host reads. And the host reads, it seems like this people are trying to transition because brands are becoming a bit wary about the host read it, you know, it's great with a superstar celebrity, even then it can get a little complicated. They love anything that comes from a radio company, because they know the radio company has to adhere to FCC rules. And so they're not too worried about brand safety.

And so now we have the dynamically inserted advertising, which it seems I mean, I not sure if I'm, if what I'm hearing is, oh, Microsoft seems to be buying a lot of that. And then it's like, Well, really, it's just all very kind of minor advertisers. Some it's still kind of direct response. The CPM for that is significantly lower. That's more I heard Todd Cochran say, between 10 and $15. And I'm thinking that's what they're hoping for I have a feeling it

may be closer to between five and 10. Right now, I don't know. So that we're done, and that's for programmatic, right. And so and the idea, and the idea is that everybody should be able to get programmatic. There's like, I should say, hey, I want to flip on some ads. I've got 10,000 downloads a month, that I should be able to get some advertising money. So if you have 10,000 downloads a month, that's 10 CPMs. That's 100

bucks, right? The 50. Well, yeah, could be Orpheus. So of course, that means that there wasn't that your your inventory was sold out. That means that you know, it was you have one if that's if you have one ad, if you can have four ads, I guess you have a midroll there's different prices for that. And it's very convoluted. Got a lot of different options here. So

you have to you have to make all those choices. But the problem with the advertising community, is they want to know, okay, I want to advertise on stuff, but it can nothing can be firearms related. You know, it's not like people are talking about killing anybody. But we just even if they're just talking about cool guns, we don't want to advertise on that. You can think of

multiple scenarios. So and this, this is what I was hearing across the board, these podcasts, brand safety tools that are in essence going to create a code for your podcast, you will be labeled, I heard it over and over again. Even though Todd Cochran says he won't do what I believe it. And it'll be green, if it's good to go yellow if there's sometimes some if you stop or read if you'll never touch. So this is the antithesis of what podcasting 2.0 is. But I'm trying to figure out a way

to bring your comparison into the money part. And I think I have it, I did some work. And I did a lot of number crunching and this is why I'm very excited about the Opie three dot DOS, I'd op three op three dot Dev, because now I can get a very, a much more concise handle on my VPN. This is the metric I'm launching. I knew this was coming by the way you did not tell me this, but I can just see I can read melted carbon, right? Yeah. Remember the force? Yes, the

value per meal, the value per 1000. So So, but it gets really fun when you do it. So if you take so that the metric is 4% of your downloads, that is that is the amount of people who are who are who are boosting your or sending you value. Whatever you get, you can safely assume that's about that's the average is 4%. So I did some work across all shows. I don't have all the

numbers. I do have some very concise numbers. I can tell you across this kind of with some very solid data and some other data that I'm guessing about, but I think, oh, op three dot dev will help my VPM across my, my podcast universe is $30.51. Yeah. And, and the numbers. So I would say it's safe to say, around $25. So close to a host read. But what's interesting is, you know, so the VPN is not set by an advertiser, the VPN is a

metric. So when you start off, and you have only 1000 people, or maybe 100, your VPM, depending on how well you ask, he's actually going to be much higher. It's kind of cool how you start off when you just start off with value for value, your VPM is incredibly high. And the more people you get the, that starts to lower off to taper off a bit, but yet your

revenue goes up. The whole thing is, once you do the numbers, and you sit down, and it works out every single time, the number of downloads, times 4% That's your VPM and you should it should be around $30 That's, that's what you'll be able to get. So if you have 10,000 people. That's so what's 4% of that? 4000 people is 400 people 400 And then you multiply by vs make it easy. 30 So now you're at 1200 say that right now 12,000 Now I'm confusing myself.

It's four. It's got to be 40 It's got to be 40. I can't be is it 400 math corner. See? Oh, I know. I'm sorry, I calculators I see. Yeah, no, I see what I did. This is why I've discussed this on the show. Okay, this worked this 30 Now, okay, this, this is where it gets this is where my my everything falls apart. I still like to bring in my, my 30 VPM is really runs a if you if you do apples to apples for here's a here's how I did the full calculation and then you tell me if we're gonna work this

back. Okay, I said all right, if you do a show weekly, and you have four ad slots so you come up with a number at your 24 That's actually a pretty decent number you're making some really good money the 4% of the of the downloads that actually that

turns out to be an annual amount or monthly amount. So what's the monthly versus the monthly but once you put it on the annual scale it's it's like it's predictable how you're going to grow and how it's going to work what I need to do is I need to get all the all the OP three data for this show so we can show it to people because you know this lesson we can gladly show you what we're making because we thank everybody with the dollar amounts you will see that you're you're so much more

profitable even at a very very low audience really with 100 or 500 people you're already making much more than you could with with advertisers certainly with ad insertion we should we should do that in software like autumn yes yeah to where it shows a dashboard we yeah yeah just like the Bloomberg lady we can have a dashboard and that shows instead of brand safety it just shows the VP the running VPM telling you that because we got we do now now

that we have we've gone off the rails Calif sorry now that we have the this the OP three and you marry that to the value for value yes yeah then you can calculate it coming in you can just click calculate on the fly. Yeah, because we because we have all the debt we have all the booster grams and all the streams for

luck. This is an Umbral app this is no don't do that don't don't don't get in that okay, you can you have all the booster grams and streams that are stamped with the podcast episode data so you know exactly which episode was donated to yep you can marry that up with Opie three data and you can calculate on the fly you can you have a running calculation of your VPN I love it and it will be something useful useful because you can then I

mean, goodness this the get Alby or this get Alby Saturn stats now that that's populated Holy Cow Have you been looking at it Dave? Yeah, well, I've been looking at it with my head and shame because it makes hella pad look like a chump. Well, just on the well just on the no helipad has look heli pads x unit you're trying to make me feel better night yeah

but it's true. Because I thought about this because you because you said heavy pads piece of shit compared to this you'd already mentioned was no because heli pad is it look heli pad first of all is real time as it comes in, get LB is, you know it's calculating, it's buffered, it's cached, it takes a while for stuff to come in. heli pad is a real time live experience.

heli pad has cool sound effects heli pad has really good. That's really good confetti, that doesn't that doesn't ruin your browser after three hours, like get out because they have confetti but jams your browser the memory leak, the fact that you're trying to make me feel better about it makes you feel good. I love you. Most importantly, I'd love you to most importantly, you have an export to Excel. So that is fantastic. Oh, well. I'm just going to claim superiority. Now, you're surely

about with products. But what I like with get LB is that and it's something that we've discussed, I think from maybe Episode 10, maybe even lower than that. We talked about this idea of a timeline. So you can see the streaming sites. This is really informative. It's really good. It's very interesting to see where people I think in some cases, jump into the show or jump ahead. Of course don't know exactly what's going on. But

it's it's phenomenal. It really is. And very mysterious moments are counterintuitive to what you'd think it's it's good stuff. Well, the best thing about the Opie three knots. Now I'm not going to boil anything down. That's that's that's douchey the one of the great things about Opie three is that he baked in ulit support from day one. So the ULI D if we can get if we can get all the podcasting 2.0 apps supporting Uli de mer that that takes it from now you're not talking about now, you're

not just talking about downloads. Now you're talking about something very, very close to actual listens, right? Because the ULI D, the ULI Oh, you can match that or you can match that to yes, no, yeah. And you can you can filter it down and say, Okay, I just want

to see unique UL IDs for this episode. Because the way the ULI D works is when I download if it when my app downloads an episode, downloaded, downloads the enclosure, it ran it generates a random Gu ID string and attaches that as a URL parameter every time that it downloads the every time it downloads or streams the episode. So that means that any, and in the future, if it ever read downloads that episode, it

will attach the same URL. Nice. So you can say if you just filter your URL IDs, you can say okay, everybody that every URL ID for this episode was a unique listener. And that's the thing that the stats industry does not want. They don't want those. They don't want listens to show up. They want downloads, of course, because the download numbers are way higher than the Listen numbers. Yes, sir. And we're not we're not here. We're not to crush the

advertising industry at all. Don't get me wrong. I hope everyone's incredibly successful. There's definitely a place for advertising. But I think you I think we'd be lying if we didn't say we want it to be a little more honest. Well, I'm just interested in the real data. I'm just interested in the truth about that. Yeah. Okay, more on No, I'm just we're not trying to be more honest. We're interested in the truth. Yeah, for yeah for I mean, like, so. Kaldi have any idea what we're talking about.

Let's see. He was there when something melts he was you was chatting with Yeah, I was trying to catch you off guard behind you. You did he was muted and he was leaning back. Yeah. Yeah, this is a trigger trigger very sensitive mouse here. It's like I click it mutes me again.

What you know the reason I brought this whole thing up with the clip and and all that kind of stuff was because you coming from Hollywood, podcasting as an as the podcast industrial complex, is trying to become Hollywood they really want to be Hollywood enough in I feel like, you know, like, like Adam says a hits base business. And they want to just recreate you know, we saw the podcast taxonomy where everybody can get the credits and all this because they really you're trying to

recreate hi in pod chaser wants to be IMDB. Like they really want this Hollywood thing to happen within podcasting, and it had an award shows they already believe it. They already believe they're there. They will start rolling But it's just based on companies that have made no profit or no firing their employees because they have no profit. So but from your standpoint, Kyle, I mean, like, yeah, you use seem to sort of escape to podcasting as a way to have some

relief from the Hollywood stuff. I mean, like, can you speak to that whole comparison there? Well, you know, just being a fan of the entertainment industry is something that I just love covering and putting my own spin on with, with what I do for a living and, and, and to make it again, a theater, the mind sign type thing. But I'm noticing that a lot of these conglomerates are very attracted to when celebrities want to do a podcast, you know, okay, maybe

it doesn't work for the Obamas. But it works for smartlace. With with Will Arnett and Jason Bateman and haven't things like that. And then they suddenly get a deal with Amazon and whatnot. And it's like, Well, okay, it's hard not to be kind of cynical about it going well, okay, they got an instant following, because they've built their whole Hollywood career as on screen camera people. Now they're working in the podcast,

but they happened to be good storytellers. And it makes good content, just like Team Coco with Conan O'Brien and everything, and Marin, and all that they happen to make good content, because that's what they come from. But it doesn't necessarily always, you know, turn into, you know, big, huge returns on on advertising and everything. And that's why it's a hard sell for, for the average Joe, or people that are normally anonymous, who happen to be working in a big industry like

myself, but you know, we're not big famous celebrities. So but this is like, if they don't have the numbers, this is the great news. The numbers game, the hits base business can happily exist. Yes, go at it. It's perfectly okay. You don't need homepage of iTunes, or number one in the Rancor, you don't need that you need to convert. Again, from the new media show, Todd said, Who was it that said that let's go and put up a white noise podcast and, and still had 400

downloads, you know, it's like, people will listen to stuff. So if you can convince a couple people to listen, and you have that feedback loop, which you know how that works with you as a radio guy. You and then with value for value? You can you can sustain. Yeah, can really do. My wife and I have the number two set sprayed podcast this week. We start with we're not on iTunes, we're not on Spotify. We're only in the index we you know, we we tweet before we start the show. We've promoted

nowhere else. I don't talk about it on any other this one I do. And it just grew. Yeah, it's your old washed up DJ, you know, I hate it. When people say, Well, you owe to you. You're already famous. Now. No one knows me. Yeah, but that's this great thing about value for value, you have this great infrastructure. And, you know, I wasn't getting a lot of hits and downloads until fountain started letting

people advertise within just on that. It's like here, we're gonna highlight your clip, or we're gonna highlight your Yeah, and they're getting Satoshis for it right when they make the clip. Yeah, incentivize. There you go. I mean, you gamify it like that? Yeah. Okay. Listen to your podcast on this app. We'll pay you. Yeah, that's why I think it's easiest to try and onboard people by saying, all right, you don't understand Bitcoin? That's okay. Here, go to fountain.fm.

Download this app, start listening to your favorite podcast. Okay, well, now you've accrued X number of sets. Now, how do you want to spend that? Do you want to just take it in and pay yourself? Or do you want to give it to someone with a value for value enabled come podcast? Nice. Hopefully, that sounds attractive. I mean, it sounds like a great deal. And it's such a different model that maybe people are trying to have are just having a hard time putting their head around that

it's like, Oh, so you guys don't have ads? It's like no, not necessarily. We're trying to Yeah, well, but again, it's it's the relationship between the podcaster and the audience, the the listeners, or as I like to say producers, that that's what it is. So, I mean, for instance, we can with certainty, say that y y z as a colo location is based upon the airport code for Toronto, and a great rush song. Excellent. Excellent, there you go. That's how we really know about it. So

we thanks, people. burn out. Let me do some of these live boosts. Oh, here we go. So let's see what just Yep and well getting well it's it's it's Darren O'Neill. He comes in with 101,010 SATs I have Oh yeah, we'll give him a little big baller for that. Shot Caller 20 his blades on I am Paula. I have the perfect face for podcasting. He says oh, here we go and please order all of your listeners to tune into planet rage this week Larry blender and I have a lot of fun and have

just hit 50 episodes. So there you go. There's some advertising there's value 5050 Indy metus 10,000 SATs and he actually was watching the chat. He says that his daughter Leila. You know they do the show together. Fun Fun fact, Friday that she here I'll read it to you verbatim. Leila just realized the skills she has learned from the show. They do the show together have real world value. She's reading at a college level in seventh grade. All right. Excellent. reading at a college level.

Exactly. So we did the blueberry. Oh, that was actually Gary Arne to send us 10,000 SATs with the y y z airport code for Toronto. A 10,000 fermitas A Carl sherbert boost I don't get the reference. What is the well see on my intergalactic boombox podcast. I have characters that totally mutilate My name all the time, like kindred spirit. Oh, yes. Okay. And we got a row a duck's from Eric peepee. 22,222 another blueberry 17,776 Goodness gracious, great boost of fire.

He says Chad F with 1000 hard hat with 10,001 on one he says lit in the third pod versus when we just kicked it off. 10,033 sorry, this wrong one I'm reading here. Another Chad F 10,201. And I think that covers the the lit booster grabs. Thank you all very much. And if you're just listening to this, I think the pod cast app that does it best right now. Or actually did did pod verse get the chat in there? Is that in the new version? Yeah, it's in there. Yeah, so yeah, I gotta check

that out. So pod verse will give you alerts opens up with the chat you can boost right there. Curio caster is fantastic. If you're at the desktop, it has all the bells and whistles. And of course, we'd love for you to return any value that you feel the project is worth the podcast, the board meeting. That's just just a report card to you. All the work is in podcast index.org podcast index dot social, and I'm sure we have some more people to thank Dave.

Oh, we've got some C. Then I'll save this rant until after the donation. Okay. We have a donation from rss.com from Ben and Alberto. Okay, would you like to know how much this donation is through? This is a PayPal fee off on coupon donations. I have my hand on the button. $1,010.10 which is 1010100. Man Oh, shot caller 20. His blades on I am Paula. He says for Adam and Dave. We're we're glad we connected at Podcast Movement with you and so many others. Look forward to the

next time we get together. We're with you in spirit until then your friends at our ces.com Go podcast, podcast. So nice. always there to help. Thank you so much. And because I know you like it, Ben. Yeah. Everybody loves your paper. Crinkle little asthma. Thank you, Ben and Alberta. Appreciate it Mr. Roberto in Dallas, but want to see him next time. Thanks, guys. Franco Celerio Celerio gave us $100 Nice cast a medic development. Yeah, no note, but I emailed him and thanked him

and he said he had some really kind words. And he said that's the least he could do. Thank you. Where's he going to Italy again? Do you remember where he lives is near Milan? Man, you you know it better than I do because your sister lives there? Well, no, she lives in a few Enza. But we're planning a trip next year. And I was like, maybe. Sorry, you and Tina. Yeah. Who else? Who else would I go with you and your girlfriend? Thanks, Dave. don't bust me bro.

Did you grew up in the con groupie? I think it'd be fun to see we're gonna hook up with with Franco. Yeah, that would be great. You'll get some business or Pay Pal. So yes, Mr. Graham's, we get Mr. Roy Schonfeld coming in with 543 to one area is a breeze app. And he says Did you know you can use breeze to create podcast clips? Yes, this is new. Yes, it's new. They have their point. He got someone in there. someone's doing stuff because I know Roy

isn't doing he doesn't really like us. He's just he's no, I'm just kidding. He nobody actually likes us. This is still just Yeah. smoke and mirrors. Yeah. Okay. Yes. Actually, I've been I've been using the breeze app for a couple of things. You know, it's I like the breeze. It's my The first thing I check out the show any show that I post, I first go to breeze. I don't know why. But if it works on breeze, then I know it'll work everywhere else. Are they?

Are they using pod pain? No, they wouldn't use pod thing. No, they No, no. They just take. Yeah. What I what I use briefs for the most is discuss discovery of new value for value podcasts. And I keep up with what's going on with them. Because I use all the apps, a daily driver is cast ematic. But I use breeze a few times a week because I tried to go in there and see what what the trending stuff is because the value of breeze to me is that it only shows value enabled

podcasts. It does not show anything else. Yes. So you can really drill down and find out what's going on in the value for value world. Good point. Good point. Let's see we got I forgot 2222 from lyceum. Three hours ago. I was reminded in the in the chat. Thank you. scrolled off drive, we went way down. I couldn't find it. Is anybody in the chat? Is anybody in the chat? Chatting from pod verse? That would be interesting to know. Good question. I'm just a plain old IRC client.

Okay. In a millennial, send us 5555 And he says, I believe the children are the future. So do we Man Thank you. Drip Scott, send us 55 555 Thank you, Jared. Very nice. Hope Adam had a great birthday boost. Shirt demand. Thank you. Chat F is using the pod verse chat. Kyle, what's it like hearing you're hearing your voice on every every podcast? Like, I guess you're used to it because you hear your voice all over the place anyway. Now, dude, I'm totally just just honored and everything that you

know, I could. I thought of those clips. Oh my god, I just had a great idea. Oh, oh, we need to market a digital cart machine, jingle machine. So I've got a little panel here. And I've got three and like, like 20 different little squares and number 16. I teach that as boost. When I hit that number 16 Every single time I hit it, I want to send you 10 sets why not? And why not? Why not? This is beautiful. You build it right and you build it right into the to the you know,

to the jingles somehow. Magically. He said yeah. Is it done yet? Dave? We developed it as it was it was residual. Yes, it's a residual. You saw how it almost blew up my own bro. You want me to blow up your road caster? I don't think George Orwell sin is 1111 a row sticks and he says are you guys coming to the Bitcoin Conference in Amsterdam? Not know, it's October. I have an invite. We're both invited. The problem with me is I'm tapped out as far as PTO from my

day job. I'm gonna be able to go to stuff. I'm tapped out on travel. I just hate it so much. Yeah. See, we got 3333 from Jean Everett. And he says cheers with a little beer emoji. So we send us some virtual beers. Thank you SLC send us 66,667 Nice he says value he or she says value for graphene OS info. I'm on a Galaxy S nine with Android and I want Google lesson my life yeah, thanks for letting us listen to you and nerd out go podcast.

Go podcast. Yeah, it's good stuff, man. It's worth worth looking into. Okay with my with my perfect Dutch I'm going to pronounce Kinesia Can you say yes, yeah, well done. Getting better. Okay. 7777 through fountain aces. Love the podcast. Cheers. Renee. Kanika. Very much Renee. Can you boost boost, can you? Utrecht Utrecht? Yeah. Very good. hacky I can't do it. You're good. Well, I'm going to take you there one day. And we're going to put in a little Dutch boy wooden shoes and shit.

On a bike in your basket on the handlebars, Oh, that'd be great. Yeah, that'd be wonderful. Thank you love the podcast from the Netherlands. Thank you. Thank you, Renee. 22 To 22 from anonymous, their cast Matic Thank you anonymous acerbic sin is 1000 SATs from through fountain he says, Oh, there's one thing we haven't done in a while.

2222 from an anonymous through cast ematic Thank you anonymous 33 333 through another one from SLC nine repeat customers is taking marketing money puts you into an open loop control scheme. WR T you're can't wait with regards to Okay. Let me start this over. Now that and understand what acronyms I'm using. Taking marketing money puts you into an open loop control scheme with regards to your content consumers. No feedback. The company with the product being advertised gets

feedback and sales numbers. Not with the for V. Let's feed forward people. Ooh, nice. I like that. And I liked it. Yeah, like very much. Don't just stand there. Boost. PTR 880,000 sets, bro. Nice. I think he gets a baller for that. Wow. Oh yeah. shock collar blades on the Impala now say that number again. 880,000 says Whoa, what's the occasion is that like that's like the biggest boob donation I've ever seen.

It says this is their Kiera Castro he says looks like the looks like of the one mil only 120k actually was spent let's try again for the 880 balance 880k balance well once again no need to read this on the air I must have missed the first one then.

So I guess there must be one for 120 Somewhere we had this message and they have been alive boost I wonder I don't know but I feel like there's a battle going on between Peter and drips god yeah and I endorsed this kind of fight this is a very good fight to have we're very Yes Get your channels ready five I just want I saw this come in actually I saw it on heli pad because I'm always monitoring and heavy pads my favorite app to monitor my booster grams with this way but I put this through

I was looking at Albion aid I forget I force you to use it. I don't recall the 120 going through which is weird. I don't I don't recall seeing well and that's not so much about I want to read his message I want to make sure we get his message read boy said just like he says once again no need to read it on the air so he didn't even want the original. Okay, well Holy crap. Thank you so much. Thank you Peter. That was Yeah, yeah, I do I fully endorse this. This battle. Yes.

So so we're going to be number one on the leaderboard. On the fountain leaderboard. Oh wait, what did he boost was with curio Kassar now we fall by the wayside. Oh, that's fake news. Man. That's a fake news chart. Yeah, it's no no as James would say is incomplete rancor. Incomplete. Incomplete rank. Nailed it. Peter, again with 44,000 sets. And he says 44,000 failed on the last boosts. Here's a funnel mate. Good. Wow, okay. I wonder what happened.

There must be an origin boosts somewhere that he's now following up on in multiple rounds. And the prequel is coming later. It's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah. Wow. He went full. Super Saiyan mode or whatever. That's cool. Adam See 9099 That's you. Hey, that's me. You also read my test boosts me Sal 1000 SATs man we gotta read it. Mere Mortals podcast 7718 says Thank you Bill Withers boost just the two of us. Oh, well, because we were singing all that so. Oh, man. Thanks. Just

the mere mortals podcast return boost. 5858 That sounds like a birthday donation is what that sounds like. Just need to say that 5858 boosts will go directly to Adam to be used to buy cake and candles. Extra birthday boost. Thanks. If you don't mind, we'll just throw it all into the into the node that's okay with you.

Yeah. James Cridland 1001 sets to fountain and he says pod news covers the average cost per 1000 for programmatic ads 2351 last month and also how well they work which is mainly research for The podcast industrial complex thanks James. I don't care about any of that other stuff he said I just I just appreciate that he used the term. In fact one time for the one time fire 100

a dynamite dry Cridland joke Very good. Yeah me. I relaxed I blew out the microphone even for a minute they're relaxed males in his 22 to 22 Mega rove ducks and he says playing catch up playing catch up and enjoying the discussion, though it goes way over my head. Adam, Dave, thank you for keeping podcasting awesome and showing the world that there is

a better way What was that song? Was that song from the 80s there's a better way you and for me and the entire human race What song was that one time for the ones no idea we're sorry your cat in an alley that was very hurt. People die for the living. We are the world's children. Come on. We are the ones that Cyndi Lauper knows Dionne Warwick came in first. And then Bob Dylan can't forget Bob Dylan do Bruce Bruce do Bruce the boss Bruce? Oh man, MTV baby. Oh goodness. Oh good.

See, the relaxed male podcast helps men get rid of their nice guy in their real life. Get rid of the nice guy in their real life and start living life on their terms. Oh head over to relaxed male.com that just that sounds like men going their own way. Yeah. Relaxed male. Big towns like a barber shop. Like like one of those Yeah, take male barber shops where they you know you get the you get the shoulder massage and the NALSA could be could be sir Doug 10,000 SATs. Thank you, Doug. No note. Thank

you, sir. Thank you. jaunty ms 2222 through Brees says I'm boosting from graphene OS Nice. Boost boost. It works Gilligan since 100,000 SATs through fountain and he says Happy 100 better later than Better late than never boost yo, boost. Steve in Bradenton Florida is what he says thank you, Steve 1000 SATs from Gene been cashed ematic gene been? It says, damn. Now I've gotta go figure out what happened to Podcast Movement. Oh, welcome to the party. Yeah,

all right. Oh, Jean being held his button down because he's got about four boosts of the same message there. Okay says oh, gee mean, again. 5000 says he's for cast ematic. He says, Even if this readouts content is driven by anti tick tock, there are aspects of it that EFF and others have been calling for years. I hope those parts those parts progress impact our US tech companies. Well, this is playing out right now with eff Electronic Frontier

Foundation. He's talking I think this is going back to what I was bitching about tick tock while not bitching but pointing out that they're taking Silicon Valley's money. And man, there was just there's like there's they had a tick tock, lawyer, Lady show up in the Senate being grilled. Really? Yeah, yeah, about that. So are there any Chinese nationals who have access to the data and saw such bullshit? So it's theater here, here's my favorite tech press. Bullcrap is. You know, we

just need we just need senators. Oh, Dave. Let me see. Are we still streaming? That's a good question, sir. Oh, yes. You're still here. Okay. So, yes. Okay, good. Oh, that's good. Dave will I'm gonna have to, he's connected. I'm going to you know what it might have been his. I'm going to pause the pause for a second. All right, froze. So Dave, your computer crashed. Yeah, we had a lot of fun at your expense. And, and we got something special for you.

At least at least once every other show that serve this. Some people get a boost Dave gets together okay. Oh man. All right. Where are we? I don't know where did that well? Oh crap. That's a good question. Hold on a second. Let me look you can pick. So now that we know what it looks like, gotta give me a moment to reclaim the emotion of that rant that I went on for another 45 seconds after and I'm sitting there looking at your dead feet and like he's still talking he is talking like a mofo.

Alright, do you think you can get back into it? Do you need any motivation? Kyle? Can you give him some? Your the your you can coach him through this? Well, let's see. We're doing a pickup as we call in voiceover so we'll we'll wait. Adam, if you could play that, that one string again. And then Dave, you match the tone and inflection of where it cuts off and will seamlessly Frankenstein magic. I wish I wish I could. But I'm actually I'm actually recording

on the playback machine. And it's just not gonna go. I know. I've got to pay it. So I've got to pick it up cold. Yes. Cold. Yeah. That is that is essential and voice acting if you're a good cold reader and improv. Yeah, you're off to a great start, sir. Okay. You want to know something that bothers the crap out of me? Oh, please. We're very interested. This just came to me out of the blue for, like, I've not thought of this before, and especially not three minutes ago. This, what drives me crazy

is the tech press bullshit. of you know, if we just had more informed politicians, more tech, more tech and foreign politicians, you know, they just don't understand the tech. That's the problem with the with the bad, you know, bad legislation that gets passed as they just they just don't understand. So if we just had more in well informed, technologically informed politicians, they would pass better laws, you know, they would everything would be great.

That's not how it works. People, if you just because you see legislation that has passed, that doesn't make any sense to you, in seems counterintuitive, doesn't mean that is actually ill informed. But all it means is you don't understand the money flow. Because when when law when laws are passed, and when laws are proposed. This is something that everybody needs to understand the concept of a juicer bill, when a law is proposed, it doesn't or even passed, sometimes. Sometimes

it's irrelevant. What the actual effect of it does, is in the real world, the only intent of the legislation is to trigger money to flow to one, one campaign or another. That's all sometimes it's about Amen. Yeah, the bull the bull crap of the of the comment, I just hear this all the time in the tech press, you know, well, clearly this politician just doesn't understand the technology. They don't care about the technology.

They care about the money. And I'll tell you that what I saw Senator Hawley doing I don't know who's lobbying him who's paying for his reelection campaign or so he can be on the committee's you have to pay millions of dollars to get on these committees. We have to pay it into the into the DNC or the RNC in this case. But he was doing such a performative piece of crap about China and the CCP. And all this is is to get rid of tick tock. It's Silicon Valley removing tick

tock, that's what's going on in Washington DC right now. They're going to remove Tiktok because they're taking all their money. And it's probably because tick tock doesn't have any lobbyists in Washington. Bingo, Bing, and I bet you they will give them give them two years. They'll have a whole bunch of them and then those and then those, those Senate committee hearings, they will they will suddenly stop. Okay, here. Yeah. Sir, twin screw gave us 40,000 SATs and he says the tax export topic was

very informative. Thanks, guys. Oh, talk about tax exports. Yeah, sure. We did. Maybe that was intergalactic boombox that tax exports go against? Yeah, it was unless I was referencing the Phantom Menace or something. Oh, the taxation. Yeah, no, no, I never talked about. Okay. Well, thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you for the for the boost. Oh, okay. You're 50,000 SATs from Todd Cochran. Holden hice. Thank you.

Todd says I've talked about this in the latest new media show but very much against something similar to nutrition labels being applied to podcast to determine brand safety right. That's what I continue to be concerned about podcast listeners safety from specific advertisers that sneak their ads through proper programmatic platforms. But purpose purposely Miss identifying the content of their ads.

Oh, this is the this is the reverse problem. The reverse problem of dynamically inserted ads is you tag what your your product is. And so a show may say I don't want any casino gambling, for whatever reason, I can't get enough of it. But we don't want any casino gambling ads. And if they mislabel and say well, really Las Vegas tourism ad, but they're a casino gambling ad and so that shows up on a dynamically insert ad and that makes podcaster unhappy. I know Todd's heart is in the

right place. I know that he's doing this for the for the little people. I know that because I know him this and when I say the little people that's like us I hope I really hope it works out I really do. But you know all that work will not be for naught and you're putting 2.0 in so there's always a backup plan. Yeah, the escape hatch the value for value escape is exactly the escape puppet you pop it the escape hatch to the international lifestyle.

Yeah, when everything goes bad you you pop this jump out example hotel just what he says example hotel that slips in a gambling ad but only listed as a hotel ad. Yeah. Yep. Live value for value. Go podcasting. Oh, sorry. I was doing too much. Give you a little lightning boost there. Thank you, Brother Todd. Lyceum 2222 through fountaining says with value for value dot info. You have the ducks in the row 2226 symbolic gesture

free launching value for value dot info. GG and I have been working on this and this is still some stuff to be changed. But take a look at value four number four value dot info. Yeah, I'm very bullish on this on this work. Eller do you all y'all both have a really good way of boiling things down into memorable pithy phrasing, that really helps cut through, like cut through the fog, you know, I know this is gonna be a great side and organize all this stuff and put into that site. I did none

of that work. He did all of that. It's amazing. Let's see. He says I mentioned your new site in Episode 56 years of time, talent and treasure of the secular foxhole podcast. Best premise Martin Linda Skog. Well, thank you, Martin. And 2222 from McIntosh, he says getting ready listen to the best podcast in Tupelo. No show on the net. Go podcasting go podcast. And the delimiter comic strip blogger through fountain 15,033

sads he says, howdy David. Adam. Please don't hate Aetherium it soon will overtake Bitcoin volume was You okay, well, yeah. I use it for cartoon in fts. Anyways, your audience is kindly invited to listen to our podcast about artificial intelligence called AI dot cooking. Read by Gregory William Forsythe Forman from kid just type in your web browser or any podcast app. Ai dot cooking yo. Boosts and

yo back to you hold on bombshell. We have a late breaking booster Graham from Dred Scott 555,555 Satoshi blades on Ambala. See this is the PTR hidden with uppercut and drip comes back with the left hook. That's what this is beautiful, as beautiful as in Java. And then we have metus who comes in with 807 Do you know what that is? lopsided boob? No, it's boot boost food. Awesome. Nice. And that's it. So

I just had an idea. We have the we have the GitHub repository, the GitHub with all of the all of the booster Graham stuff is a lot of stuff in there. All we need is a simple web page player. And when you hit the no matter who it is, you log in with Alby do with Alby? There you go. So you log in with your Alby on that page. And then when you're doing your booster gram when you're doing your, your donation segment, your ask your

booster grams, then you just bring up that page. You can do all those boosts and every single time you hit a boost, it fires off a byte to be determined by you amount of SATs from your out b wallet. I would use that. I love it. Yeah, yeah, I like that a lot. That cow you are like the master weaving in you know it's booster related on the fly sound effects through your you know made out of your voice not you know not out of a out of a machine. But

do you do you pre do you do need that on the fly? Do you pre recorded like what what's, what's your process? No, because when I'm I'm recording directly into Adobe Audition and I don't know how to do more than one input other than my mic. I'm sure there's an easy way to it. I've asked some engineers it's like well let me get on Zoom and walk you through that because yeah, if you want to do a soundboard live as you record Yeah, you're gonna have to do some some patching up and

I was like, oh god that sounds convoluted. I want to be able to do that. But yeah, as as it is, I simply stick in the the pre recorded stuff as layering and post in post. Okay, gotcha. We got some monthlies. Okay. Tim Hutchins, my buddy $25 Terry Keller $5 Soren Hilger Mueller $5 Chris Cowan $5 Jeremy Kevin all $10 debt free Rutherford. $5 Derek J. Vickery. $21 Daymond Cassie, Jack $15 David Norman of fabricator $25 Paul Saltzman $22.22 Thank you, Jeremy

Garrett's $5 and Thomas Sullivan, Jr. $5. Nice. Thank you all very much to these boosters these monthlies the Fiat fun coupon. gifters we appreciate it all this keeps podcasting 2.0 on the rails and moving forward. But what's that thing? Fast forward now? What was it? We just we just had the cool phrase feed, feed forward feed forward feed forward. No, that's not right. I lost my IRC so I can't get back Oh, can I get the boot again?

Maybe so maybe someone will remind me given go to podcast index.org down at the bottom you'll see red donate button if you want to send it through Fiat fun coupons will be through PayPal of course get one of those modern podcast apps at new podcast app.com Throw the legacy out start feed forward that's what it was feed forward eight for throw the legacy apps out there just give it a shot. I think you will like it. There's a lot of fun to be had. Okay, where are we at now? Holy crap.

So they've told me if I if I don't show up in like 10 minutes then there's gonna be no more dinner for 80 Miles Okay, well I have a feeling these guys don't mess around here and in Georgia. You go negotiate the new bass bass coin blockchain Hey, I'm telling you this is a great idea the beef I bet you it exists 10 Bitcoin a batch of beef corned beef let's take a look right now. Hold on. It's got to exist. Let's get to but it is an act if this is a shit coin I'm gonna buy some just to have it.

Beef coin a cryptocurrency for production of meat from the farm to the table there you go. Yeah, it exists. Of course it does. The Bitcoin project wants to eliminate the intensive technologies used in beef farming if whatever's play Elgin Dow or something, there's some crap like that. Kyle brother, we really appreciate him coming on you shared a lot of very different stuff. It was really good to hear you kind of walk you through a couple of concepts

that we talked about on the show. Hey man, it really it really helped us understand that we have to be careful because we're just not understood. We use terms terms that means something else in humanoid language I guess that was that was very much appreciate you came and thank you for supporting podcasting 2.0 with really with your time and talent that's you can't do much better than that. I mean, it really really fantastic we love it. And the booth Thank you. You are the boost man

all that all that stuff? Dude, it has been such an honor to get to speak with you and be on your show. Adam, you obviously you're you started a whole genre of entertainment and it's it's amazing. And Dave your other pod sage. You have been so cool. And amazing and the dynamic between you guys and leading the team. It's It's It's awesome. It's thank you so much. I want you to say this. Love your work, man. Yeah, love your work, man. I was so sincere, beautiful. I almost believed it.

Yeah, gotta work. Am I voice acting for 22 years? More classes? Hi, man. You good? I'm good. All right. Well have a great weekend everybody and as long as there's no banjos, we'll be back for another board meeting next week, same time, same place. Check us out podcasting. 2.0 See you then everybody bye bye You have been listening to podcasting 2.0 to visit podcast index.com For more information