So I'm curious, how has your business changed or improved because of your podcast? You know, I would say the podcast hasn't really had any bearing on my copywriting business because everyone who's listening to it, they're not copywriting clients. If anything, I think it just draws them deeper into my different funnels, right? So they join my Facebook group, they might buy my ebook, they might buy my courses, they might purchase whatever is floating around.
So I don't know like the monetary amount, but I definitely think it makes people more loyal, I guess, to like the freelance fairy tales brand. Okay. So would you say that it is a good way to monetize your business by teaching people who you are and kind of growing your authority base? Yeah, I think it has a lot of benefits that are, you know, in a way like intangible. But I mean, as far as monetary benefits, I'm actually working on getting sponsors right now.
There are some obvious ways you just make money from the podcast, of course. But yeah, I would say the intangible way is yeah, it creates brand loyalty, which I think then further, you know, gets people to trust me after they listen to it. And then they may go buy one of my online courses when they might not have in the first place. I'm curious, when did you start the courses? Like when did that come into the to the game? Because I know you've been freelancing a long time.
Yeah, yeah, it's funny. The courses are actually only a little over a year old. The guy who I made them with Josh, he found me on TikTok June 2020. We actually talked to him today. He's like one of my best friends now. I've recorded five courses with him all in Salt Lake City. And we have, you know, we're going to record more we have, we together the two of us could probably make 30 courses over the next 20 years. We have all these ideas.
So we've been starting, you know, recording them since June 2020. And they went up for sale October 2020. So they're they're really kind of new. But I think they're incredible. I love online courses. I take them all the time. I'm taking one right now in real estate. They get a lot of hate, but I think I think they're the future of education. I love them. I agree completely. I mean, they say it's going to be like a multiple billion dollar industry by 2025.
So yeah, and it's a great way to like learn so much that you used to like it used to have what do you call it? There were gatekeepers and now everything online you can find anything that you want to know. Yeah. And I know people come at me for them really hard, but I just am like, listen, no one's making you buy them. I don't know why you're so you know, you're hating. It's like thirty five dollars. I mean, I get it.
I know there's people out there who have hijacked it, unfortunately, and charge like five thousand dollars or something crazy and people get scammed. But I'm always like, guys, use your best judgment. If someone's charging you thirty five dollars and has like a free podcast, I'm probably not trying to rip you off. Right. Right. Except to them if they want to go and spend too much money. Yeah, like I'm just I come in peace.