A Chat with Spiritually Sassy's Sah D' Simone

Hey everyone, Ashley here with RSS.com podcasting. Today I'm so excited to bring you Saadi Simone. Saadi Simone is a spiritual revolutionary and bestselling author pioneering a spiritually sassy heart-based healing movement in which joy and authenticity eliminate the path to enlightenment. Enjoy the show. Saadi, welcome to the show. I'm so excited you could be here because you tell us all a little bit about what it is you do. Well, thank you so much for having me.

It's such an honor and a joy to be here. What do I do? Oh my goodness. So I, what I, what I, what I'm doing, let me, let me try to be as simple and as casual about it as possible. I am a seeker. I am a teacher. I am a speaker. And I, so I write and I teach and I guide people to rediscover their hearts, to do a long journey from the mind into the heart.

And the way that looks like is through content on social media, through the podcast, the spiritually sassy show, through my books and through, you know, talks and workshops all around the world. So my work is about teaching people to, to find poetry in their pain, to find a smile in their trauma and to, once they actualize that smile and, and do live poetically, then they start to share that joy and that poetry with everyone around them.

I call that living as a blessing factory or a miracle worker, because we all have those people in our lives that when we are around them, we just feel so relaxed. They have to do, they don't have to do anything or, or say anything. And we just, all of a sudden, like, that is my goal with my work is to help people become those people in their lives. I love that. I absolutely love that. Now, so I, I, I read your book a little bit of it.

And so I know that you used to think that you had to like get quiet and, and, and find your, your spirituality in the quiet, but then it totally transformed into what it is today. So can you talk a little bit about that and, and when the podcast became part of the journey? Oh, yes.

Love this question. You know, and it's, it is like part of the process is about getting quiet. And then what we, what happens a lot of times, and I was, you know, I wrote about this in a book too, and I speak about this often, I realized that it isn't about living as I call the zombie Zen, you know, how we equate spiritual seekers and spiritual teachers as the zombies then you have to talk like this, you have to, you know, look like that. You have to wear these kinds of clothes.

You have to do these kinds of things. And this kind of forced seriousness is so imposed on, on the spiritual seeker and, oh my goodness, the spiritual guide could never do any of the things that I do, right? According to, to some people.

But then I realized that, you know, my most transformative experiences with my spiritual teachers in very traditional settings like India and Nepal and monasteries and ashrams in these parts of the world, the most transformative experiences happened with joy, with laughter, with humor, with playfulness, with this light heartedness. But I felt that I couldn't let my freak flag fly. I couldn't let my sassy nature fly because I thought that that was not spiritual.

And then I had this, this revelatory moment where I was like, no, you do need to get quiet. But then once you, once you experience that peace and the, and the, that, that, that arises from, from, from being quiet and going inward, then it's really about you, you know, showing the world what freedom looks like and freedom that the outward expression of freedom looks different for everybody.

For me, it's bold, loud, fierce, you know, being androgynous and, and, and really expressing my queerness for other people looks different. It may be a little bit more quiet, a little bit more, more subdued in a variety of different ways. But the inner experience of freedom is, is the same for everybody.

So it's, I am just a permissionary, a permission slip for people to recognize that once they glimpse and experience this inner freedom, then the outward expression, if it's going to look freaky and sassy and bold and loud and framboyant, that's okay too. Doesn't matter what some people on a spiritual path have said to you that that does not equate liberation. It's hard to say that it does because I am a living, I'm living proof of, proof of it.

And of course, with the blessing from people from my lineage and my training too, that's like joy is the way to liberation. And you know, the, then to talk about the spiritually sassy show, the podcast, which first of all, I'm so grateful for your platform. And I'm so grateful for everyone who's listening to this show and making the show such a success in such a short amount of time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

You know, what's happened is it's, I needed another outlet to, to express my creativity and to also communicate with other people in this space and to have hard conversations with people in this space. You know, I talk a lot about, about, I have a set of questions that on the podcast that I ask every guest.

And a lot of times when I realized I'm like, Oh my God, the conversation I have with my friends when we're just hanging out at home, they should be recorded because this conversation is so transformative. They're like, it's so enlightening. They need to be on the record. People need to listen to these things. And that's another thing that I realized like, okay, like let's use the platform of a podcast for this long form content.

And then let's talk about specific questions that oftentimes, you know, sometimes when, when you are, you know, engaging with people, you may talk about specific things or you may, you know, kind of just have more casual conversations sometimes, but I wanted to utilize the fact that I have access to so many amazing people to ask them really, really deep, powerful questions. And one question that I ask every guest on the show is a question on forgiveness.

How does forgiveness play a role in your life? And the answers are like, Oh my God, they're just amazing, you know? So that's a little bit about it. That's pretty wild. And, and some of the episodes that you've had, I mean, you've had some pretty amazing people, like you had, oh goodness, how do you, Sophia, the girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you had her.

And I mean, it's just like, and the questions you ask are not your typical questions that you would hear on a podcast because they go, like you said, so much deeper. So I'm curious, how do you find your guests?

I find my guests through, you know, people that I'm inspired by, people that like I look around and I'm inspired by, and we're the podcast at a point now that we get people every single day asking to be on a show. And some people I'm really inspired by, like the other day we had Sri Sri Gurudev, Sri Sri, his sort of name in the space more publicly is Gurudev, but the sort of longer name is Sri Sri Rav Shankar.

And he's a, you know, he's, he's has like 450 million disciples and he's done work in the prisons and he's had over 800,000 people do these practices in the prison system. The dude is established in such a massive way. And I had, you know, someone from his team reach out to me asking if he could be on a podcast and I was like, of course, hello, love it. Let's talk about the real, real, real stuff.

So it varies, you know, sometimes I have people reaching out to me and I think that they're really interesting. Sometimes I have, most of the time I have my team reach out to people that I know personally like Sophia, or people that I'm really inspired by. Like we had Julia Cameron on the show who wrote The Artist's Way. You know, her book has casually sold over 5 million copies and, you know, she really is the queen of creativity as the New York Times calls her. So I've had her on the show.

I mean, there's, I've, and I actually am a little bit wild. I batched, recorded, so I recorded episodes for an entire year. So this year I'm just doing a couple of people that I'm really, really inspired by. So I have episodes launching all through this year. Okay. So you batched. That is awesome. What does that process look like for you? Like, do you just like schedule everybody and then tell them, okay, we're going to just go or how does, how does that work for you?

It is freaking wild to be honest. But the good thing is that I love talking, I love getting to know people. The beautiful thing about having a podcast is that it's in the, for anyone who has a podcast, you're talking to people and you're listening to yourself talk. So you're learning so much about yourself and you learn so much about your guests. So there's this enormous educational and inspirational component to it. During the batch process was, was partly because I wanted to take a break.

You know, I closed the spiritually Sassist school, which a lot of people are upset about, but I needed to, you know, realign with my vows, realign with my purpose, realign with my message. So I decided to let's record episodes, enough episodes for an entire year so I can spend more time in prayer, spend more time in meditation, spend more time dancing, spend more time doing service that I don't, that I don't get anything in return.

You know, oftentimes with the nature of my work, like anyone's work, we do need a monetary support to keep going. But a huge part of my mission is to help people who are in rehabilitation centers in places like Nepal, in a rehab center in Kathmandu and now here in Bali where I'm currently living. And I don't get paid to teach at the, at the rehab center in Nepal, Kathmandu and, and working with the kids here at an orphan center in Bali, Indonesia too. It's like, I want to shift.

I want to, and I am, and I have already more and more of my work to be helping people who are, who have nothing, you know, because I've been so, so karmically blessed to work with these global celebrities and do things in a really large, beautiful scale and get very well financially supported for that. So all of that money and all of that is to really funnel the resources for the people who have really nothing, you know? Okay. That was a lot. So I got to unpack a little bit.

First of all, you said something that struck a chord with me because I've been watching your TikToks. And so you said dancing. When did the dancing evolve into this whole spiritually sassy moment? Oh my goodness. Thank you for this question. Okay. That's great. So dancing.

So, you know, I was, I was on a panel and some women, powerful women, like from a big museum in New York, she says, so if I'm gathering this correctly, you dancing on social media is your way of seducing people to take care of themselves. And I was like, you know what? I think that's it. Because when I'm dancing, I'm emanating so much joy and that joy activates your joy, the viewer, the audience, who's watching the contest, it activates their joy.

And then when they read the caption, on TikTok, the captions are so, excuse me, so short. But on Instagram, I'm able to actually write a really beautiful text. It's inspiring and educational. And the whole direction of that work is to get people to actually recognize that no one's coming to save them, you know? You got to save yourself. No one can walk the path from the mind into the heart besides you.

Some people like myself and other guides and yogis and mystics on the path can help you on that journey, but you got to walk the journey by yourself. It's alone together, right? I say this a lot, alone together.

That's what the spiritual journey is like. So dancing became, you know, what she said, I love what she reflected on, but the truth of it, I realized that I love to dance. And then I would bring the intention of, I'm going to dance my anger out. I'm going to dance my depression away. I'm going to dance my anxiety away. And I would bring this intention to the actual movement practice and it would work.

You know, I would meditate first, I would pray, and I would bring that kind of prayer and intentionality of meditation into the dance. And I would finish the dance and I'll be like, oh my God, this is a healing tool. And then you look at all the research behind dance has been part of a part of humanity. You know, we danced before we spoke, you know, we danced before we wrote. So, and I realized how healing dance has been for me.

And then the Sa method or the spiritual workout or the spiritual dance or the spiritually sassy dance practice, people call it a variety of different ways, was born out of me posting this intentional spiritual dance on Instagram, but not having language for it. I was just doing it, you know, and writing these really informative captions about suicide rates, about mental health, about spirituality. And then something wild happens with consistency and repetition.

Beautiful things happen for all of you who are thinking about starting a podcast, consistency and repetition of, you know, like really that will support you to actually grow your show and create something of impact. But through repetition and consistency of me posting these dance videos on social media, Deepak Chopra's team casually reached out to me and said, honey, we love what you're doing on social media. Can we meet?

And I arrived at their office in New York City and it was like wild dream come true because it's Deepak Chopra. I mean, hello, honey. And they said, okay, we want you to teach that practice on a retreat with Deepak. And I was like, oh, casual. Now I have to like give a meaning, a name, and I have to like create a whole philosophy in psychology behind this dance practice that I've just been doing for my own liberation.

But it was very easy to create language for it because I could actually feel the tangible benefits of the practice, you know? So the spiritually sassy dance practice has dance, of course, has meditation involved, has mantra practice and has breath practice. So these four practices are there to activate the four qualities in our heart, according to Buddhist psychology, which are love, compassion, joy, and wisdom. And who doesn't want more love, joy, compassion, wisdom in their lives?

So the practice is you activate these four practices, these four qualities in your heart, and then again, you enter the world emanating these qualities. So that's how dance came about. And then I created a whole philosophy behind it, and I attached a lot of, I did a lot of inner reflection and a lot of inner research to actually create a movement language that helps people. So that's that.

I don't know if you're familiar with Natalie McNeil of the She Takes on the World, but before every webinar she does, she does a dance party. And then there are times where she'll do a dance party before she's about to create something for her business. And so she'll be like, okay, she'll tell her assistants, I need just a little bit of time, I got to go dance. And then she'll come back and she'll be like, I can see it and it's beautiful. Because it's so freeing, right?

It opens your mind, it opens your creativity, it gets all those juices flowing. And so I'm curious with the TikTok and with the Instagram, with all the dancing, does that bring people to your podcast? Or is that just one of the many avenues that people find you from? It does. I think people love, it's so funny to say this out loud, but people love doing sort of mundane chores and listening to me talk. And I think podcasts are really good for that.

And at the same time, I invite people to try to listen to the podcast while you're laying down on your bed and not doing anything else, or going for a walk and not checking social media and just kind of trying to do, make it intentional. So I think the podcast is like, it's honestly one of the best things that I've created because I'm so happy with every episode. And I'm so happy with the conversations and the feedback and all the things. I'm just like, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. Well, and like every episode, I mean, this is going to sound cheesy, I'm sure, but I don't care. So to me, it's like every episode you have is almost like a gift to yourself. It's giving you time with yourself to not only listen to the words that you're saying, but reflect on how they affect your body, how they affect your mind and your path. And so that's why I love it just so, so much.

So I'm curious though, with like monetization, you had mentioned that it became very successful very fast. What avenues are you using to monetize the podcast? So, I am coming from a different angle because I launched the podcast when I already had

a really large following and a large newsletter and I had a whole marketing team and a manager and an agent. And so I'm, you know, what I'm going to share perhaps isn't, you know, people's experience if they're launching it from the ground up. But here's a couple of things that are very helpful for anyone, wherever you are. The way monetization happened for me is I was already doing a lot of content for other brands and social media. I was already speaking for other brands.

I was already going to other companies and doing, you know, different things for other companies. So it just became kind of an easier thing to just say, hey, I can come speak, I can come do this talk. And then what about you? You advertise on a podcast and what about you sponsor this dance practice that I'm going to have.

So we just, we were able to do this kind of integrated marketing where I'll post on social media, I'll mention in my newsletter, I will do something for your company and then you sponsor the episode. So it was this integrated marketing approach to it. So I just reached out, my team reached out to a lot of the brands that I had already worked with in the past to then sponsor the podcast.

So that was, if you already have a sort of a built in community and you already have brands that you're working with, let's reach out to them and see if they want to sponsor the episode, the show. So that's one side. On the other side, get affiliates, find brands that you love what they do, that are very well established, they are already doing big things. I think we often feel like we have to recreate the wheel. Some people created the wheel and it's moving smoothly.

Don't think you need to recreate that thing. Work with them and create your own wheel. Create your own thing after. So the affiliate stuff is very important. Reach out to brands, companies that have amazing affiliate programs and incorporate different affiliate links throughout the show. At the beginning, in the middle, and the end perhaps too, but work with the affiliate and reach out to them and say, hey, I'm doing something unique on my show. I think your brand could really use this.

And if your affiliate is this amount for regularly, why don't we up to this for my company? So I've done affiliate for a variety of different people. And it's amazing because you are always going to have someone clicking on that link and being interested in it.

But most important, with any brand partnership, this is like, I was like moving on without saying this, with every brand partnership and with every sponsorship, with every affiliate, you must see if they have integrity about their brand and their business the same way that you do. They must have integrity. They must be doing something of benefit into the world. That will help me have a full body yes when I'm working with a brand. Instead of like, maybe it's really well paid, but maybe.

And then if it's a maybe, it's a hell no for me. When there is like full integrity, it's a hell yeah. Okay, that makes complete sense. And I'm so glad you said that because so many people, whenever they start podcasting, they think, oh, okay, I got to create merch or I got to create digital products. And it's like, no, you don't. You can start with affiliate products and be a partner.

And I also like what you said about making sure that it's someone who has integrity because far too many people are only looking at the paycheck. They're not looking at whether or not it aligns with their values. And so I'm just so glad you said all of that. That's fantastic. So what are you doing right now to promote your podcast, if anything? Oh, we're doing so much. I love it. We are doing a newsletter and we promote on Instagram every Sunday.

I, you know, most regularly I post an audiogram on my grid. I post multiple stories. We send all the promotional material to every guest who's on the show to for them to promote to. And I think that's kind of it. And I just regularly promote the episodes because I'm just so proud of the work. I'm just so proud of what we're putting out there. It's really amazing, juicy, delicious conversations that move me deeply. And you know, it's just like, I'm just proud of the work.

And when you're proud of the work, you feel excited to share. I love that. So now do your guests, like, do you find that they often are willing to promote or do you ever have trouble getting the guests to promote the episodes too? No, that's a good question.

And to be honest, I don't really care. I feel like if the guest promotes, great. If they don't, great. I feel like my community is like really loving what I'm doing. They're coming to me for a very unique experience of spirituality. So therefore, I feel like if the guest promotes, great. But it's really like, you know, and to be honest, yeah, I have these big superstars in the podcast with a lot more followers than I do.

But oftentimes, it's just people who are living with enormous integrity, who are actually devoted to healing, who are actually devoted to making the world a better place.

So I don't care how much followers. I don't care the size of the newsletter. I don't care about any of that stuff. I just scare about the guests having something of value to offer the audience. So if they share, great. If they don't, great. We're doing our part, you know, and I also have to say that, like, again, consistency will get you to be ranked on the platforms.

And you have to ask the audience to subscribe, to review, to, you know, to do all the things and to share with their friends, you know. So give a create a little outro that says if you love the show, please subscribe, review, send it to your friends, your family, you know, like, you know, like, don't be afraid of, of, of, you know, letting people know that you're excited about what you created.

I think we're living in a society of like, you know, of being like, so critical of other people and so much judgment and so much envy and jealousy. So you just got to remember that people who are spilling out, who are being judgmental or critical were, or just, you know, like plainly mean about what you're creating. They're in pain because someone is at peace with themselves. They would never speak pain into the world or cause pain to another human ever. It's just like a natural law.

You recognize that, you know, we are each other and we are, we are really like interdependent and interconnected across every mystical tradition. You know this. So if you're at peace, you recognize our interdependence, therefore harming them, it's harming yourself. So that goes with the podcast too. If you're, you know, boldly and loudly and excited about sharing your podcast and people start being sort of mean and vicious about it and you start to feel down, just recognize that they're in pain.

So when we're hurt, we hurt others and we're at peace, we bring peace into the world. So don't, don't get attached to it. Let it come and let it pass. You know, just keep, just keep going, keep being bold about it and fierce about it. It's interesting you say that because you had a video you did recently where you were basically responding to one of your haters and it was fascinating that your community is so positive that they were like, yeah, we want what you've got.

So it's kind of interesting to me how like, even though you do have people that are giving you the, you know, the hate, you come out of it with such positivity and it's just beautiful. Ears in the making though, ears in the making. That's not to say that at the beginning of me, you know, coming out as queer and really embracing that I'm brown and I'm queer. Oh my God. Like I'm statistically not meant to succeed in a society that's, you know, very, that's saying that that isn't normal.

That isn't, that isn't the highest vision. That isn't the, the, the, the, you know, the vision of, of beauty and success. So at the beginning I was, you know, responding to pain with more pain. So it's ears in the making to get to a point where I'm actually able to see someone being hateful and recognize that they just need to be loved and cared for.

And perhaps I don't have the love and care that I don't have the tools and resources to offer them the love and care that they need, but perhaps I know someone who does, perhaps I can recommend them to somebody. Perhaps I can just point that person to someone, you know? So oftentimes with compassion and, and it's really about, you know, not entering into a mindset of hate back, but truly recognize that that person needs to be alleviated from their suffering the same way that we do.

And sometimes we don't have the resources. So get out of the way and find a way to offer resources, someone else's resource so that person's causing pain. Does that make sense? Yes, it does. Absolutely. And it reminds me of Denise Duffield Thomas. I don't know if you're familiar with her. I'll have to cut this part out, but she's known as Lucky Bitch online. But she often says, if you can't forgive someone, then talk to them as if you're talking to the child version of them.

You know, that way you're not looking at them as the mean adult that they are. You're looking at them as the helpless child who was hurt. That's right. That's right. And I love that. Yeah. So, yeah, you've done a lot. I mean, you have a lot of episodes. You keep showing up in our community pages. I mean, you're on fire, but I have to ask you, do you think it's because of the niche that you chose? Not that you didn't go seeking that niche.

It sounds like it found you, but do you think it's your niche that is making you so successful?

Yes, absolutely. I think so. And I think it's, I say this often to people, and I was just talking to my partner earlier today. It's like, for people who are wanting to express themselves creatively, yes, look around, be inspired by other people, and then pause, and then go inside. Close your eyes, journal about it. Let your own muse, orient your life, orient your words, orient your creativity.

Do a practice that will awaken the inner muse, the inner creative muse for yourself, and then allow her to orient your next step, your next thoughts, your next words. So I think for anyone who's starting your podcast now and wanting to create something of value, something that's impactful, look around at people, what other people are doing, get inspired by them, and then say, okay, I have taken this week to do research.

Now I'm going to take the next three weeks to cultivate and tickle and flirt with the muse that lives in my heart. What can I do to bring the muse to life? You know, dance, meditate, pray, go be of service, go laugh, you know, garden. There's a variety of different things you can do to activate the muse. And then during those moments of activation and dancing with the muse, you're going to hear the whispers from the heart.

The muse will speak to you and say, this is what the podcast should be about. And these are the questions you should ask. I love asking specific questions on the show. And then I of course also love, you know, having tailoring questions because my team does the research on the guests, and then they send me all the questions that the guest wants me to ask them, and then they send me questions that they researched the guest, the questions based on what they researched the guest.

And then I also have my own intuitive hits and intuitive downloads of what I need to ask the guest. So it's, it's a, it's a, there is, there's quite a bit of moving parts that happen behind every episode, you know. So you get those goddess winks while you're talking to them. That's right. Yes, I love it. I love it. Okay. Well, so what do you see for the future of your podcast? What do I see for the future of the podcast? One thing that we're launching soon is more of my life updates.

You know, I think that's people are, since I've left Los Angeles and I went nomadic, me and my partner have gone nomadic. We put our house in storage and we got rid of the car and we just decided to live nomadically in these pilgrimage places around the world. So what we did, we recorded an episode last week, so I'm going to go back to recording now. Mostly life updates. And it's really like, it's not just me telling, hi, I hike the volcano. Hey, I went to this water temple.

Oh my God, I met an oracle.

Oh my God, there was a snake in my, in my kitchen. It's not that, you know, only it's that, but like, what did I learn from hiking a volcano at four o'clock in the morning on New Year's Eve? Like what did I learn from, from meeting an oracle and going to a water temple? What was it like to wake up and have a huge snake in the kitchen? You know, cause I live in a jungle and it's an open kitchen.

So things like that happen, you know, monkeys come, snakes come, all kinds of, of, of lizards, all kinds of size. They just show up. So it's life updates. It's something that I think the community is wanting. And I also, you know, was reflecting on it through a psychological sort of evidence-based and spiritual perspective too. When we retell the things that we like about our day, it restructured the architecture of our brain.

It watered the seeds of positivity and relaxation and gratitude in our mind and it opens our heart. So this is why journaling, gratitude journaling, you know, things you're grateful for in a day or the things that happen in your day that you're happy about, you know, the good things that you've done. Thinking about them regularly reinforces at a, at a, at a, at a physiological level in your brain, of course, psychologically in the mind and spiritually in the heart.

So those life updates are both an offering to the community and also an offering for me to, to, you know, remember and really feel energized and, and, and to, you know, carry those memories with a little, you know, a little tighter, closer to me, you know, because we have the negativity bias, you know, wired into our brain, wired into our mind.

So therefore we are constantly just looking out for the negatives and only remember the negative parts of our life and not really focusing so much on the, on the good things that happen. So life updates are coming to you. Yeah. What is it? They say the lizard brain, it's such a hater. That's right. Lizard brain. Yeah. Such a hater. Now I have at least, I have at least five people that I know that are going to be very upset with me if I don't ask you this. How did the Cardi B thing happen?

Oh, yes. So the Cardi B happened the same way that the Kanye West thing happened. It's like, they find me, you know, and it's, and then it's many talks, many talks, many contracts, many things I can't say anything about, you know, and it's, someone reaches out to you on email or someone introduces you because they like your work to them. And then it was months in the making for me to come and film with Cardi B that day.

We're trying to figure out like, what would be the best healing practice for her and for the show? What's something that would look beautiful, that would feel energizing and healing for her? And then we changed the practice a few times because, you know, Cardi was pregnant when we were filming the episode.

But if there's one thing that I always, you know, speak to people, and it was the first thing that kind of set me off to go, you know, live in Indian Nepal years ago in the spring of 2014 was forgiveness. I didn't know how to forgive myself and I didn't know how to forgive other people and I didn't know how to ask for forgiveness.

You know, I had been trained and I think, you know, people could relate to this, to act in a polar opposite of letting go and making peace with the past and recognizing my mistakes and not make, are not who I am and people's, the way people have caused me pain that behavior isn't who they are, although we see as behavior as who someone is at the base of their being.

So it was through the practice of forgiveness that I realized that like, you know, we're not our mistakes and we actually have the choice to stop the cycle of pain going forward and forgiveness a gift to yourself and I mean, yada yada, I can talk about forgiveness for hours and hours and hours.

But when I thought about what is one thing that I would like to offer Cardi B and that huge audience was forgiveness and how do we make forgiveness cool and appealing, it was during an art ritual where we're painting using... Which was my favorite part of that episode, by the way. I don't mean to interrupt, but that was my favorite, like watching y'all paint, that was my favorite part of the episode.

For anybody who's listening to this who has no idea what we're talking about, SA got this amazing opportunity to actually do a healing practice with Cardi B and it's on Facebook right now and we'll definitely leave a link down below because it's an epic video. Oh, thank you, honey. Yeah, so it was an amazing opportunity to share forgiveness.

I said, you know, if whatever, however, it goes down in a day, at least I am happy that I was able to share a forgiveness practice with such a legendary iconic star and you watch her having resistance through the first part of the forgiveness ritual and then she comes in full circle and says, you know, she says those words, forgiving them is a gift to myself. You know, I feel more at peace and so, you know, give yourself the laugh and go watch the episode. Oh, it's a fantastic episode.

Well, I'm going to ask you the one thing that I ask everyone. What is one thing that I didn't ask you, you really wish I had? Oh my God, honey. I know. Put you on the spot there. I know. One thing you didn't ask me that I wish you did. How about my painting practice, my personal painting practice that I'm looking at my painting right now.

I haven't painted in 20 years, but I started since moving to Bali and I'm painting, you know, I'm really using creativity as I use with Cardi to express my heart, to, you know, really heal my relationship to my past, to anchor myself more in the present moment. And I'm not a painter and I don't have traditional training. I'm just looking at it and like, oh my goodness, honey, that's a mess.

But I'm just happy with the, my choice to create with my pain, to use it as inspiration for liberation, you know. What's the one message that, the one message that keeps coming through is forgiveness. But is there any other message you really want to leave with the listeners of this episode? One other message that I wish to leave with the listeners of the episode. I'm putting you on the spot left and right. I know. Yeah. And I don't do well with that either.

I mean, people have like those fire rapid fire questions. I'm like, honey, I can't do it. I asked my team to like, make sure to cut that out of every episode. Cause I'm like, I don't know. But if you want, we can cut it. No, no, no. What's one message I can leave with people.

It's I think we should just, you know, emphasize the importance of learning to forgive yourself, forgive others and ask for forgiveness and recognize that forgiveness is the nectar of presence and it's the gateway to unconditional love. So if you want to experience genuine self care, learn to forgive yourself. Well my fellow podcasters, I hope you enjoyed all the amazing insights that Saadi Simone had to offer.

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