The Walt Robot

Forever! Dog! Warning! The following podcast may contain water slides full of sauce, controversial speeches about butt hygiene, and crazy goddamn dogs. The Disney Corporation evicted Abraham Lincoln for an animatronic of their founder, and we're here to talk about it. It's the Walt Robot on Podcast The Ride. Welcome to Podcast The Ride, where we the hosts want to be very clear. When we die, we wish to be turned into as many robots as possible.

I am hopefully future robot Scott Gardner, joined by future robot, God willing, Michael Carlson. Yeah, and any kind of robot is fine. You can turn me into a toilet robot for all I care. I just want to be a robot.

It doesn't matter. I'm going to need a little more elaboration as to how, what specifically you're imagining when you say toilet robot and how it's possible to make it look in some way like you. There is any different... There's a number of ways you could make a toilet robot, I think. And I think like you could make a robot of me.

And it's my size. It's to scale. It's 6'3". And I'm holding a toilet bowl. It's like a sculpture from Batman and Robin or Batman Forever, like one of the big buildings they have there. And I'm holding the toilet bowl. And then the person would sit on it. And then maybe I would just say like encouraging things while you were on the bowl. Like, oh, good job. Or looks like you're done. And then you could be that.

Right. But I could even give, since it'll be the future, I could have some sort of like database of medical knowledge. So somebody said, oh, you know. Is there any tips you have to help this go faster? And I'd say, well, you know, fiber is a good thing to do.

Uh, so you could, you know, get one of those fiber crackers and have that with breakfast. So like, it could be a whole thing. This is just one scenario. Okay. And I'm spitballing. There obviously can be improvements to my idea here. Sure. Encouragement for young children. That's a nice image. A potty training child.

Sitting on a bowl that is held up by a really jacked up version of you. A robot version of me. Yeah. So, yeah. And, you know, it can probably end up doing other tasks around the house. It can also probably like. Once people aren't using it for a toilet, you could fill it with beer or something and the robot could enjoy a frat party with a bunch of college students and the beer in the toilet.

That's where I'm going to disagree is that I don't think I want an Adonis version of you that is primarily used as a toilet to also then shift the use of that bowl to at least tell me that it's a different. You gotta take the toilet bowl out and put a different beer holding device in your arms. I won't tell you that. I can't tell you that. Well, then I'm out of this party of frat boys in the future when I am probably also gone.

Fair. Fair enough. But again, spitballing here, but there have to be a few different rules laid down so far. Okay, okay. Well, we will start out the details. We will also welcome back to the main feed, Jason Sheridan. Hello. Hi. Yeah. Well, obviously, I was gunning for Toilet Robot as well. Mike took it. I think I will... It was right there. And I mean, it was number one with a bullet on all of our lists. So I think I'd like to be, I'd like to maybe be microwave robot.

And then I would like to chime in with, like, hey, it's been a long time, but we still haven't figured out the best uses for this. So, like, make sure to... Rotate your food halfway to flip the food, you know? Why do you guys both, you both went to being robots who give advice about fairly obvious things. Fiber helps you poop and rotating food. Wouldn't the microwave, many, I would say most microwaves rotate already and we aren't even in the future.

Put a mug of water in the corner and that'll help steam it. Not all food. I guess only specific food items. Yeah. Well... I think it just helps distribute the heat a little, too. When are you using a... Like, I'm not saying you're wrong, but when are you putting a mug of water? What items is that helping with? My... My dad and I both got really into the Eggo frozen pancakes for a while. And he's like, you got a coffee. If you put a coffee mug like.

halfway full or three quarters of the way full with water in the non-moving corner of the microwave that come out like perfect pancakes. How long did this phenomenon last between you and your dad? Getting really into... Few months. Okay. But it wasn't a multi-year thing. It was just like a couple months you were really... Were you talking about it a lot?

I think it would come up every now and then. I think for a while it was a standby. I would just swap out like waffles in the freezer. Like, you know, that's an easy. toaster waffle in the freezer sure you know wheat a wheat waffle obviously the waffles a wheat waffle um is probably better food as much as any science-made food. Absolutely. I think we got a great understanding of nutrition here, as we always do on Podcast Thread. The wheat waffle is going to go a long way to getting you, Rodell.

A filling breakfast is a toasted wheat waffle with a spread of peanut butter and a handful of blueberries. That's insensible. The peanut butter on the waffle as if it were toast? On the waffle, yeah. How much peanut butter on that waffle do you think? I'm not a big peanut. I'm putting the butter knife in like once and getting a smear. I'm not a big. Covering the whole surface area?

No, maybe leaving a little in the quarters, like, uncovered. Wow. How long have you been doing that? I haven't done it in a while. Okay. Interesting. I don't know that I knew about that. We're talking about kind of a past.

Now, here's the question. Does Waffle Jason overlap with Mike's much heralded scumbag Jason? Was scumbag Jason doing waffles in this manner? No. Jason also, I think, questions the existence of scumbag Jason in general. I feel like Jason wonders if this is entirely a Mike creation. No, he pops up once in a while.

I don't know that I love scumbag Jason as a nickname. Because I feel like it's mostly being a little... more outrageous on stage, but I feel like I still, in real life, I still was very considerate and had manners. Well, we don't know. This is like the way Mike puts it. Again, I'm going off of Mike's mythology in which I like, you know, in which you are a full leisure suit, Larry. I don't know. I'm going off an oral history here.

Yeah, an oral history. Yeah, he was just a bawdier guy. He was a bawdier guy. He would say outrageous stuff. And there was a different vibe. There was sort of an energy. He had a couple different nicknames. I think I've talked about that before. But then here's the thing, though, is that like, all right, I like I'm interested in Mike's version of things here, but also Mike's definition of body is like a like a well endowed.

chicken wearing a garter in a theme park show from 1978 so i don't know where when you say body then now i'm like i don't know i think maybe scumbag jason just like Everything's relative, I guess. Yeah. I think he maybe just once said the F word in the way that means sex. And Mike was like, my God. Who am I dealing with? Who's this Larry Flint I'm friends with? One man's body is another man's less body. Extremely tame man. Extremely tame, but no. Extremely tame man.

I have just a few. Look, I have a few receipts. I have a few receipts here and there, but nothing crazy, nothing outrageous. Don't be pulling out the receipts. Did I say I'm going to pull them out? I said, no, I have them, but I'm not going to pull them out. That, what you're describing sounds a bit like blackmail when you put it like that.

Jason, as long as you do whatever I say for the rest of your life, everything's going to be fine. There's no blackmail there. You just have to follow my orders. That's all. Hey, for listeners,

I should mention today, we are on Zoom, and that today, the research fort has become a full-on recording nest. So I'm sitting on my... Wow, Research 4 is recording Nest. Yeah, I'm sitting on my bed. Well, you've done this is not because didn't you do that? We did the the Griffin dancing cars episode this way as well. So this is not a first. Wasn't he on a couch for that? Oh, is that a couch? Oh, yeah, I think it was.

trying out the couch coffee he was cozy on the couch he was he was comfy cozy on the couch oh the background is very similar so i don't think i even clocked this so this is we are seeing you recording in the research fort slash recording nest. Wow. I'm not just being bawdy, as Mike would say, showing you both my marital bed. But I am, this is practical. This is where Mr. Wife gets to really be Mr. Right. Yeah, that's right. This is where Mr. Wife clocks in. Get it right, Mr. Wife.

No, there was construction in the unit that shares a wall with my office. So this is as much practical as a comfort thing. Well, how do you feel like it's affecting you mentally, performance-wise? Does it feel different to you in a positive or negative way? So far, so good, you know. If you fall asleep, we'll find out. Hey, performance-wise.

It's where I love to perform. Oh, wow. He's back. He's back. He's back. He's back. He's back. He's back. He doesn't exist. It's happening. That's it. That is that. He get a little glimpse once in a while. The most, the most like vaudeville kind of... Like, oh, a little naughty. But again, we're talking about Mike's scale. Mike couldn't have handled vaudeville. Mike would have been protesting outside of vaudeville shows in 1897.

Mike couldn't have handled it. He couldn't have handled Times Square 100 years before Spider-Man turned off the dark. He could have handled Times Square like 20 years before Spider-Man turned off the dark.

Before Giuliani cleaned it up, you're saying. Before Giuliani cleaned it up. Well, look, let's be careful not to get too bawdy here because we are talking about... Something, you know, stayed in a history of a man's life. We are celebrating something that has been happening at Disneyland for a few months now, I believe since.

since july since the actual 70th anniversary date uh they've been running a show called walt disney a magical life but there's no way that we are calling this episode anything other than the walt robot um that let yeah you know Oh, hey, fuck their little branding with one of their seven words they like to use. We know what this is. Specifically, their term is Walt Disney space dash space.

A magical life. Space dash space? We're not in a colon situation? There's no colon. There's no M dash. It appears to just be a normal dash with spaces around it. Okay, good. Are you looking on the Disneyland website? Well, Michael, I copied and pasted their term into an Apple note, and I'm looking at that.

It says Walt Disney Dash, A Magical Life I'm seeing at Disneyland. Okay. Okay. Dash. Normal size dash, long dash. Normal size dash, regular dash. Yeah, normal dash. Tiny dash. Little minus sign. Dash. Right. Okay. And we'll do it. Yeah. So we're here to do a tiny dash through this new attraction and experience. Boy, it's hard to believe that...

The Disneyland 70th celebration is finally drawing to a close. I think we'll never forget everything that we experienced and everything that they did. We will never forget the lightly different colors on various... banners and on Mickey Mouse's shirt I think these colors will flash to us on our deathbeds so much I mean like favorite memories from the 70th

I think you just brought it up is that that coat that Mickey was wearing that had one of the sides longer than the other. That was my favorite thing about the 70th. I mean, I guess other than some aspects, maybe a Volt robot, but Mickey's coat was maybe my favorite. Although I didn't see it in person. I just saw it in pictures. I haven't seen him wearing it at the park. We all got to see pictures.

Of a coat. When scumbag Jason wore a coat, was there anything on underneath? Oh, my God. Of course it was a big trench coat. And, you know, I'll let you imagine what was underneath. A bunch of counterfeit watches. So he could handle Times Square pre-Giuliani. You'd make a living in there. When you remember, he was calling out all that fake weed in Times Square a couple years ago. The three-card Monty tables. The three-card Monty tables.

I know what this shit is. Three card Monty just a couple months ago. I recognize those card stains on a table anywhere. Hey, pal, is this weed real? It's why Congress passed that ban against hemp products, you know? Right, and you were for that. Well, I...

I think the industry is largely for regulations, you know, more firm, like clear regulations. But usually for my Delta 8 stuff, I only buy from Reputable. podcast sponsors. So... And just a reminder, that's the best place to buy any and everything that you need is from anyone who is sponsoring a podcast. Absolutely. You know what I think I'm...

Yeah, yeah. Buy every no matter what it is. Don't even don't even listen to the ad. Just go to the end to the offer. Buy it blankly. Just like start entering enter as much money as you can into the box. I'd like to spend $600 on this. I didn't even know. I didn't even find out what the product is. There's, there's, I think, you know, what's going to resonate with me for sure. And I don't know how we haven't talked about this before.

was the 70th anniversary stickers in Midway Mania that Andy, Andy, the owner of the toys... First owner of the toys before Bonnie. Of course, we all know that this year, Andy... Stuck different 70th anniversary stickers all along the midway including among the targets in the Attractions carnival games the stickers not only enhance the decor, but also the guest scores there will you know that I I have countless memories

of hitting targets worth 700 or 7,000 points as well as different Celebrate Happy stickers. I mean, how do I go back to regular boring-ass dumb-fuck Midway Mania after I've experienced it?

through my rose-colored 70 glasses. With all the stick? Wow. Well, I mean, for sure what you're saying is something I remembered and experienced this year at Disneyland. There's no way I'm just either that's something I forgot. Or didn't know. There's no way that. Huh. And you did that? You saw the stickers? You experienced them?

Oh, yeah. I think I forgot to bring it up because I was like so happily almost blackout drunk every time I went to do it. I was so much in the 70th spirit. I was imbibing 70. 70th anniversary cocktails, which I know existed, and I'm not just making up. Just the 70th delirium. I don't, you know, it's going to be the way people go, like, you know, well, do you remember doing this or that? Answer, it was the 80s. I don't remember a thing.

That's what it's going to be like for me. I don't remember any of this 70th year. I was having too much damn fun. Celebrate an anniversary by blasting away the decorations.

digital decorations yeah that's fun yeah uh yeah yeah no just so much to remember and so it's you know it's it's going to be hard to to fully say goodbye to it although i guess technically it lasts still till next summer so you'll have plenty of opportunities to go but you know blast some happy enjoy yeah enjoy the platinum celebration All of us can for another few months, which is nice. So, yeah, I've been a handful of times this year.

I would say I'm back. My numbers are getting back up going to Disneyland. Obviously, they waned during the closure and then having a child. But no, I feel like my numbers are back. I feel like I've gone like... Eight times this year? Nine times this year? That's closer to what it used to be in the glory days of youth.

You're doing this with the energy of forgive me, Father, for I have sinned. It has been four months since my last confession. But that's better. Before, it had been like two years. And keep in mind some of that was pandemic. And I don't really want to be in a confession booth. You understand. All your numbers went down. But no, I'll be back really soon. Don't worry. There's great shame when I say that, if that's what you're getting at. Yeah, there's a lot of shame.

And upsetness. But look, that's just the way it is. You got a kid. But now, you know, bringing the kid. And we're going to go back once, at least one more time before the end of the year. We're going to celebrate happy. You know, we bring the wives. We're Mr. Wife, too. I'm Mr. Wife 2, and I will bring her. You guys were the early adopters.

Of being Mr. Wife. Of being Mr. Wife. But we hadn't coined the term. We hadn't put such a fine point on it. We hadn't coined the term. One man perfected being a wife guy, and it's Jason Sheridan. Okay? Sure, other people have done it before, but no one's done it quite like him. That's what I say to people on the street. And if you want to shake off the label of scumbag Jason, a much better thing to be is wife guy.

A description you can always trust from anybody. Try guys notwithstanding. Sure, we can trust that wife guy, but... Yes. Always a good sign. No, but so much remember. You know what? I also maybe it's worth briefly mentioning that, you know, I have not been a ton because I'm a little bit grounded by new little second shot. who we aren't taking to the parks yet. But soon enough, I feel like that'll begin maybe the end of next year. But we just got a great getaway.

with our oldest and because he hadn't been in like a year and a half and that's a big the shift from uh from three to five and a half that gives you a lot more bravery and a lot more willingness to try stuff and the trip we Just took... The stats on this, I just got to say it because I'm proud. First Haunted Mansion, first Pirates of the Caribbean, first Star Tours, first Astro Orbiter, first Tiki Room, first Jungle.

cruise uh first mark twain that might actually be the champion we did this beautiful

I mean, something that I know Jason appreciates and likes, that magical experience of they are not running Phantasmic, so you can do nighttime Mark Twain. And we did it so... perfectly wonderfully twinkling that like amazing i i'm gonna say plus up you know um I think we've lauded this before, but that like the rock work that was necessitated by Galaxy's Edge and moving the train track, that wall, that looks so great in Twilight and they don't over light it.

kind of lit by moonlight or by the train itself or by the Mark Twain and we're on the second level and watching my son just wave so sincerely and enthusiastically to the train from the deck of the the Mark Twain. This was magic stuff. We had a lot. It was as good of a five-year-old trip as you could do. Wow, that's great. That's awesome. It's interesting because my three-year-old is now...

tall enough to do Space Mountain, Guardians of the Galaxy, Cars Land. You're obsessed with this. You talk about this all the time. But she is. She hit it. She hit the height. So where are we going with it? When do you start? Do you have a follower lead?

I have to fight with the rest of the family to get her on a couple of these rides. This is what the problem is. I think you've got to fight with your co-host, too. You've got to. Don't push it. I'm not pushing her on Guardians. But I'm like, she could do cars.

Yeah, Kari's is an interesting one. I have not been fully confident on whether... uh cars should be in the mix i was not fully confident you know you know uh i was nervous about pirates of the caribbean uh me having a history of having a problem with drops and overthinking drops and we're like so how do we deal with this there is a drop and it's no splash mountain but there is a drop at the top of this ride how do we coach him through this and what we decided was don't tell him

We just did not even make him aware there was a drop and a thing to be afraid of because once he did it, he just laughed and smiled. And that drop was not actually a big deal whatsoever. Yeah. Yeah. Let's let's I'm trying to. the cycle by not letting him build things up psychologically the way I did and the way I made Splash Mountain.

demonic task that I avoided for decades, which is completely insane. Well, it sounds like you're on your way to doing that. Yeah. My daughter now is afraid of ghosts, so she won't do haunted. She says, no haunted mansion. I'm too scared. for that but she does like pirates and she does like the dry if you ask her why she likes it she'll say the waterfalls oh great great she goes i like the waterfalls so that's like her favorite thing has it hasn't it been nice uh to be to do

trips with children and then you're on these rides and going, did you like that? Yeah, I did. What was your favorite part? Oh, the dropper, this robot or that. To take it back to the basic level of why we like these places as opposed to the... perverse, overly detailed 5000 podcast episode level that we have ended up. Do you know what I'm saying?

Isn't it nice to go back to square one? Like, oh, right. Disneyland, a place for families where we like to go and then say we and woo. And that was fun.

Yeah, you're saying it's a simpler way of looking at it than perhaps talking at length. about robot intimacy or intimacy with robots in general or... A lot of the creepy phrases are gone. Getting to just enjoy this famous and good ride and get away from the world of like, now I like the tiki room bathroom because it's a full door stall. And then I don't have my little leg.

dangling and people aren't seeing my little shoes you know that kind of shit we do when you're there with a kid it's like you forget we even do an overly detailed podcast where we say a lot of creepy words about everything we talk about

Although leggies, that sounds like something I would have had a conversation with my three-year-old about. Like your leggies are dangling off the little toilet. And we did go in the, we did, she went in there with my wife, with the wife at the tiki room bathroom the other day. So.

It's a nice, I hear what you're saying, and I agree with it. You are still pushing it. You still went out of your way to go, this is a nice bathroom. We should use the nice bathroom. It has to creep in sometimes. Sometimes it has to creep in. That sounds like a conversation you'd have with me talking about my little leggies dangling in bathrooms and stuff.

That's true. Do you both realize that I brought up little leggies as a condemnation of the kind of crap we say? And then the two of you could not have taken to the phrase little leggies faster.

You pounce. This is mine now. I love it. It's part of me. I am defined by that. I love to talk about my little leggies. Sorry, brother. You know, once you get in the habit of yes-handing, you never lose it. All you're doing is following the rules of improv. In another world, you would hate talking about your little leggies, but as an improv student, I must. I simply must.

Well, he's an artist. He's an improv artist. And he devoted his life to it. And a student. A lifelong student. I'm not a guru. Not yet. He studied at the feet of all the greats, of all the improv greats, and now he's just employing the technique. The little feetsies of all the improv greats, you mean? Yeah, the little feetsies. He studied their little piggy toesies.

This little piggy went to Mark. This little piggy played game. This little piggy did a Herald. Del Close's little piggy walked into a theater and changed everything. with one wave of his little dinky pinky. Improv was never the same. As much as I want to seize that. Hey, his pinky wasn't dinky. Take that back.

It was big and alcohol bloated. As much as I want to use all those words you just said and then build on them, I do. I will go back to the simple, yes, it is nice to see what resonates with a kid brain. Because you just, yeah, you do remember. And sometimes you get old, you get jaded. But the child, seeing it through a child's eyes is a nice thing. It is. It is. Now, my child dies. And I'll hold down the fort for the sickos. Good. Somebody needs to.

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My child's eyes did not witness the Walt robot. This was not a thing I was going to attend. Nor did mine. yeah yeah okay so did so how did you did you uh did you like uh do this on a family trip and break off or did you do it solo or how did you okay okay yeah i was with the family work attraction Daddy has to go do some work. He broke off. I texted Guy Selga, and I said, are you in the park earlier? And he said, I am. And I said, well...

I'm going to have to go meet, I'm going to have to go meet Walt if you want to go see the show. And so he did. So we walked through the lobby and saw the show together. Oh, great. It's a couple of weeks ago at this point, I guess. But yeah, so that's, that is how, that was the first time I saw it. That was my experience. Yes, great. I did it back in August on a trip with friends, Buzz, Buzz, Skittle, Skittle. And that's neither here nor there.

But but let's let's dig in. I guess before we we talk about the experience, I think maybe something that bears mentioning is sort of the the history of how this came to be, how we ended up with this, you know, not just the. But the Walt based show in this theater, because here in in Disneyland in California, you get to meet Walt, as you said, in the in the Main Street Opera House in the theater that is.

a long time been one of Walt's personal favorite shows, Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln. And they have for So many years, almost, I would say, you know, since Walt was gone and not minding the store and making sure that they kept Abe there, I think they've been trying to come up with other things to do in this theater. I think there is a respect for tradition and for the things that Walt loved, but there's also a respect for filling theaters.

and moving people through things and having shows to promote. So at various times through the years, they've tried to get something, anything else into this Main Street Opera House. From 73 to 75, they pulled a very similar move, which was putting in something called the Walt Disney story, something I'm pretty much unfamiliar with. I think it was a similar line. It was like a 20 minute piece that was the story.

of Walt's life, probably with some material that we're seeing in this new show today. And that seems like the way to do it. I think in the 70s, they were like, that's a pretty even, that's Indiana Jones trading the... The bag with the idol. Like, same thing, right? Okay, okay. Yeah, Abe and Walt, same thing. We can get away with this. They did not get away with it. This ran from 73 to 75, and people were mad. People got mad.

It's a Walt thing and not an Abe thing. There was already Disneyland traditionalism, even though Abe had not been in that theater for that long. So they had to, this was an early instance of them being afraid. the traditionalists and uh okay here's what we're gonna do is it is now

the Walt Disney story featuring great moments with Mr. Lincoln, one of Disneyland's first tortured titles. And they just, they had to make it both of them, or I forget how they did it. If they traded back and forth or it's some Walt show, and then it culminates in Lincoln. Lincoln, because Walt loved Lincoln. There, are you happy? We did a new thing to try to get some new butts into these seats, for God's sake. Lincoln is not a draw. Not particularly.

I think he was in the 64 World's Fair when human-shaped animatronics were new. But by the 70s, we're swimming in them. We see them all over Pirates of the Caribbean. This is... not this is like being blase about people going to space by the early 70s we've been to space snooze we've seen animatronics snooze we got to do something else yeah and

They're at the park all day. They're opening their wallets. They see Abe Lincoln on the five. They're sick of him. They're sick of him. absolutely yeah yeah why should he's he's on my person and and the penny as well why would i why would i put a lot of time into seeing somebody who lives in my pocket back in the even in the 70s penny would get you something

Now they don't even make them anymore. We got a lot of thoughts. What are we doing losing the penny? By the way, I really dropped the ball. I waited too long. to buy the Topps baseball card, the commemorative penny trading card, and it's sold out. Oh, you were going to buy that? Yeah, it was like a limited run. It was like eight bucks a card. Why are we all saying that like we know what this is? What is this? It's a trading card with a penny on it to commemorate the final pressing of the penny.

What else is on the trading card? Well, there's chasers that have different pictures of pennies. So it is a trading card of pennies with a penny attached. No, there's no penny attached Oh I don't know how I got that in my head. I thought that was a penny. That's what you were talking about. You thought that too? Okay, okay. All right. So we did need an investigation about this Topps penny card. So it's a card about pennies that costs $8. It's a card.

Because they pressed the final penny in Philadelphia a few weeks ago. Wow. So you wanted a card with a drawing of a penny on it. And I'm apparently not the only one because it, no, it's a picture of Penny. I'm shocked you haven't seen. You're right. You're not the only one. There's plenty of elderly people who are chasing Penny remembrance.

60-year-olds, 70-year-olds, there are plenty of people. All kinds. Younger people. 100-year-olds, the few who still grace our presence. I think all the viewers of Fox News bought those cards, for sure. They ran ads during every Fox and Friends break. Those two minute long ads that take up the entire commercial break. Jason is not politically aligned with Fox News, but he buys everything on the commercials on Fox News.

And he's a fan of all the personality, all the esteemed actors who appear in the commercials. Yeah, penny trading cards, chuckwillery catheters, reverse mortgages. Thank you. You turn it off when the shows come on and you just turn to make sure the commercials are on for Fox News. I do the reverse of most people. I mute the programming and unmute the commercials. You do it. Every day is the Super Bowl when it's Fox News. news. I watch it for the commercials.

Anyways, so they're trying to get rid of Lincoln. In the 90s, this was a spot where they really wanted to put Muppet Vision 3D, which people really amped on because it was new in Disney World. And that's when the traditionalists really... lost their fucking shit. That's when they all started peeing in fear through their Chuck Woolery catheters.

What do you mean you're going to put the Muppets, put this green piece of felts in place of our finest president? Meanwhile, like not knowing, and so they fended it off, but like you realize today. Our generation gets much more livid about any threat to a Muppet-based environment than we would be to something with Lincoln in it. I think that, yeah, that is true. The Muppets particularly.

Yeah, it would be interesting to see. This won't happen. I guess this is a job for Lentesta, but gauge all the different things in the parks and how mad people would be. I'm like, what would be the fever pitch of madness? Is it the Muppets 3D going away? Was that as mad as people would get? Or people get madder about Space Mountain going away?

being replaced by Guardians or something, the Epcot coaster. I would be interested to know, but I think you're on to something with the Muppets being one of the top. Yeah, yeah. Although that being said, it happened in Florida. It is gone. We were there. I don't know that the profile of us and the others.

who were there wearing Muppet shirts and pins. I don't think it was a kind of anger that they were intimidated by. You don't think that Josh DeMauro said, oh, there's the podcast, The Ride Guys, and there's Disney Dan, and look at all those tough... Content creators out there, we should maybe rethink these plans or else they're going to riot at the end of today. You don't think that was...

These people with bright with brightly colored hats, purses and puppets they brought from home, each making more obscure references than the last. Do you think this is a dark thought, but do you think some of the higher ups laughed? looking at the videos of people being sad one at least one of them do you think like josh tomorrow is like in his limo and he's like kind of like they're driving away from he's like

He gave, like, a little laugh. Just, like, just, you know, not that he's an evil guy or anything. I'm just saying, do you think maybe he, there's a little bit of, like, those nerds. Those nerds are sad. He's one of us. He's one of us. We all declared like one day. One day did his Twitter because he was like, you know, like he wore a button when the park reopened after the pandemic. He's a nerd.

Big, tall, nicely tanned nerd. Michael Eisner never chuckled evilly when he got rid of something. That's my take. He's pragmatic. Didn't celebrate. Didn't revel in it. I agree. Mike's picturing like a Tammany Hall, like a let them eat cake situation. Maybe. It's possible.

Ken, I'm asking questions. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, do you think something like this happened? That's all I'm doing. Inquiring minds want to know. That's what you're saying. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly what I'm saying.

So, you know, when putting a new show in here, they definitely faced the Lincoln obstacle that has been an obstacle for a long time. But and then they basically I think this was finally enough. It was like what they tried to do with Walt Disney story. It's for the 70th. It's tributing our hero and you're getting a new robot. We're getting like new top quality. We're essentially getting the.

shaman of song but it's the founder of the play you can't exactly argue with this and and keep in mind turntable we're gonna spin it back and forth but Lincoln is still back there there's the you know there's Silverfish crawling in his beard. But we'll chase him out. And in a couple months, we'll spray him down with a hose. And Lincoln will be back. We can spin that turntable back any time.

Lincoln has some clothes on. He's like the chair in your bedroom where you're like, I only wore it for like an hour. And it's not dirty, dirty, but like, I don't want to throw it in the hamper. Yeah, it is interesting knowing he's back there while you're seeing the Walt show, though. Yeah, I haven't thought about that aspect. Yeah, kind of like, yeah, directly. There's just like a slumped Lincoln in a chair. Is this default space in a chair? Yeah, I would think, yeah.

So he's like he's in a big presidential chair and a suit just like looking down. Sadly, this is this is like a final day's Biden. Oh, God. Oh, yeah. He's a president taking an hour. What am I saying? Final days. But this is this is Biden. This is newly elected Biden. Yeah, I was going to say. Yeah. 2021 Biden prime. Biden Prime he's just sitting there hearing like hmm

Well, no, I don't draw Mickey Mouse anymore. Well, no, I don't draw Mickey Mouse anymore. Like over and over and over again. So when he comes back to life, he might say the Waltz stuff. He might have forgotten the Gettysburg Address or whatever the fuck he says. That would be a very funny way for it to break is if the audio tracks got reversed. I just want to say, when I first went to Disneyland, it would have been around 2006, there was no Lincoln, right? I feel like Lincoln was in the attic.

for a little while. Oh, for the Steve Martin movie? Yeah, for the Steve Martin movie about, probably, which I believe was a holdover from the 50th that just stuck around. Because then they, after that was there for a few years, they really were like, and we redid the Lincoln robot, and it's back, you know?

That was like a big push at some point. Right. Yeah, that's another one. They did that Steve Martin movie, but they were temporary. It's temporary. Temporary just for a second. And you like Steve Martin? Steve Martin worked here. Steve Martin worked at Magic Shop. It's going to be fine. Park tradition. That's where it goes in here. I do wonder how long will our Disneyland coddling last? Because we get coddled out here when it comes to the experiences. And in a way, Disney World doesn't.

Like they built Galaxy's Edge and there was a whole thing of like, are we going to lose the rivers of America? Are we going to lose the Mark Twain? And they're like, no, no, no, no. We're going in with a scalpel. We're going to get rid of 20% of the river. Don't worry. They went to all the trouble of doing that to extend it.

out so we could still have the rivers and have it whatever and the same thing with Lincoln it's like they've never destroyed the Lincoln robot they're like no no no don't worry he's there don't worry you know he's there you'll be comforted by that fact obviously they've gotten rid of other thing they've been rid of country bears and stuff but like it does feel like there's still a coddling that happens with disneyland versus florida they don't give a shit

There was a pretty big outcry about Muppets and the decent size about their rivers going away and the lily bell going away. They didn't give a shit. They're like, sorry, we're demolishing it. There's never a thought that they were changing that plan, and now it's over. Now it's for sure done.

Well, you've got the tradition here. I think there is always, and genuinely so, that it is like... You know, that it's Walt's stuff and it's original 1955 stuff. I think there might be some point of cynicism. That's what I'm wondering, when it'll change. But the fact, I think it helps that you've got California Adventure just as the dumping ground of all other...

Yeah. And I don't even know. That sounds harsh. I love it. Look, because I don't know. I love that if they need to do a bunch of Marvel stuff and they can do it in a parking lot. They want to do Avatar, which obviously I'm psyched about, and they're doing it in a bus loading zone. I mean, that. That's all awesome that that's working out that way. I hope I'm wrong. I do hope I'm wrong, but I do wonder if there comes a day and comes the new CEO when it's just like...

They're going to get rid of Lincoln and they're going to blow him up with firecrackers or something. They don't even care. There's going to be a time when that changes. And we'll see. I hope I'm wrong. I think there were two days there where they were like about to throw a bone to like where a certain story had reached a fever pitch. And I bet they were going like. Okay. Would it quell things if, one, we cancel Kimmel, and two, it becomes great moments with Mr. Kirk?

I think they were getting ready. They considered it. Drop robot designs in case we have to do this, in case people stay mad about this. Yes, but then they kind of went back, I think. The world, yeah, we'll see how the world goes. I guess maybe what I'm saying is a bleak feeling about the world in general. Maybe that's where that's coming from when I ask that question. Sure, but that's a feeling.

That, you know, largely, often, hopefully, goes away when we're in the gates of Disneyland. And that's really the question, is when does it start to invade? That's when we'll know that it's all over. That is when we'll know it's all over.

But it would also be something so benign. It'll be like replacing... I mean, like... It'll be like some lame Zootopia show goes in there instead of Lincoln. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's what it's going to be, yes. It's not going to be like something blasphemous. It's just going to be another movie thing or they'll turn Lincoln into Buzz Lightyear or something. Do you have a problem with that? If you went in and saw a speech, an inspiring speech about instead of like...

You know, reacting history, blah, boring. On its face, I don't. But continually getting rid of anything interesting is a problem.

That's true. But on its face, if Buzz Lightyear stood up and gave a speech as if he was Lincoln, yes, I like that. Yeah, like rallying the troops against Zerg. That sounds great. Yeah. What if it was Buzz Lightyear, but he did a... portion of the Gettysburg Address yes I like that don't get me wrong I'm not crazy I like the idea of Buzz delivering the Gettysburg Address

I'm just saying. You start getting rid of anything. I'm a red-blooded man who wants to see Buzz Lightyear do the Gettysburg Address. Of course. I'm just saying, the more you get rid of weird little stuff, the less it becomes Disneyland. That's all.

Sure, sure. Well, now, of course, like, like, I don't know if you view this through the lens of like corporate cynicism, because they're like, they're attributing their proud history, and their founder, and that's what they're attempting to do, but but not still.

not everybody is satisfied with this little switcheroo because they made it past the Lincoln obstacle, but there was still another obstacle. And I don't know how much you guys know about this obstacle. Uh, the, uh, and I, I wasn't really until a couple days ago, the Joanna Miller obstacle. Do you guys know this name? Yeah, I think I know where we're going with this. Joanna Miller is...

Is that one of the daughters? That's one of the granddaughters. Granddaughters. I believe Diane Disney Miller, who marries Ron Miller, who was the CEO who provided the nice ample runway.

for a true CEO like Eisner to come in and kick ass. So one of their daughters is Joanna Miller. And I think in discussion of, is there going to be a Walt robot? And by the way, this particular... show they were trying to do for seven years that was the entire development period for this was seven years this was long in the works and then by the time they announce it it is too far done to ever scale it back when they show you concept art of that robot and reveal that

It's happening. That robot's probably partially built already. We know what the show's going to be. Can't put that genie back in the bottle. However, Joanna Miller, the granddaughter, does some posts about... that kind of bring it back to a personal level and to a family level. And here I will read what I believe is a Facebook post by Walt's granddaughter, Joanna. Everyone, please stop the madness. Do not let them turn Grandpa into a robot.

And by the way, if this is, well, hang on here. I just think it's funny that any family situation would ever turn into this. You know you're dealing with a very special family where this is the screed on Facebook. That's an issue, yeah. But anyways, my mom tried to stop this years ago and they respected her wishes. There is plenty of film so people could see and hear him talk. He has told you everything on TV show lead ins and specials. Everyone who.

step forward when Uncle Robert's house was going to be destroyed and you did it. Now that I don't know about. She's referring to Uncle Robert. Who even is that? I don't know what that is. That sounds vaguely familiar. I don't know what I feel like I've seen a couple like, oh, this is the Disney thing. Save it.

before and maybe that's what no not not familiar with that one uh uh please help protect the memory and legacy of grandpa now a part something about this that you know because i see some when i hear like oh the mom his daughter didn't want it and to stop it like that makes me feel bad but then it what makes it a little funny is that there's a lot of all caps in this post including that grandpa is all caps and it's spelled in that it's not grandpa it's grandpa which i associate with grandpa

monster I can't see grandpa so when I'm seeing grandpa which makes me think of the monsters and robot I'm sorry I'm just kind of smiling at this post well it's funny because

It's like he didn't. Walt said he didn't want a robot of himself in the parks. But the company have been using him and Walt and his words, and they've been manipulating the words for their own purposes. We have to build houses in the desert because Walt liked a place in the desert.

story not here right and like walt didn't want this but he liked one place in the desert so he would have wanted houses to be built and disney to build more housing everywhere so it's funny because it's like Yeah, but is a robot really the most egregious thing they've done with Walt Disney at this point? Yeah, well, and also, like, I think what she didn't anticipate then is that, like, any of us right now could make a very odd and upsetting Walt Disney video using AI.

And it'd be done in 10 minutes and we could put it up to our screens and laugh about it. Like there's way you and all of us have the ability in our pockets to defame and embarrass Walt Disney in any way we see fit. The company is probably going to do a better job than whatever us sickos are going to do to Walt. Put him in Jason's research bed right next to him. Shirtless. Hey, buddy. Yay. You got to get out of here. I ain't Hazel George now. Okay. I ain't your nurse. I.

I just love the, like, I'm incensed. I'm so in the flesh about this plan for a robot of grandpa. I gotta do a post. And not just any post, a Facebook post. Like, that is... You're saying there should have been a more official type of communication? I just... It's always funny to me when it's like... They were mad. They put up a post.

It's the people's pulpit when we know not what else to do. When we have no other megaphone, it is the way that we've, you know, it's the way that we fought back in the years 2016 to 2020. And thank God. Oh, yeah. Without the posting resistance, where would we be now? 2020 was nothing but posts. It's all we can do. There's nothing else to do. It is funny, though, that Walt is their IP now, the man who created the company.

is a character, and he has been for decades. Yeah. And they control the narrative about him. Right. He's like a character in and of its... of itself like it's steve jobs it's like the the actual man is divorced from

Uncle Walter, the guy holding out the iPod. Is there another, and I'm sure there is another example I'm not going to be able to think of, but is there another example where a company has had the founder die and they've kept him, I guess, Colonel Sanders is the best example of this. Colonel Sanders. Yes. And you said it, the founder. No. They didn't make the film. Yes. It wasn't an advertisement. Ray Kroc himself. Hey, it's me. A.I. Ray. All right. Yeah. No. It's.

It's me, the founder. He only goes by the founder now. Chef Boyardee, he was a real guy, right? Yeah. So maybe that's another example of like... A guy who just becomes like a fictional character after he dies, after he's created the company. And imagine the place that you could visit where there's a Chef Boyardee robot. If you could go to the factory and there's a really realistic Boyardee flapping around.

Scott, please don't even toy with me like that. Wow, Jason is going to get too riled up with the idea of the Chef Boyardee world. It's in. Wait, Jason, do you know where Chef Boyardee Factory is? I don't know. Where do you think? I was watching. Milton, Pennsylvania, baby. Whoa. Wow, wow. Your neck of the woods. If you could hit up Hershey and then hit up Boyardee Town. Well, no. You got to do it in the other order. You have your ravioli and then you have your dessert. I was watching a...

YouTube short earlier about the spam museum. Excuse me. I was getting choked up. I was watching YouTube short earlier about spam museum. Free to visit. Well, they're fools. They're missing out. Jason, if they needed a creative director for Chef Boyardee World coming to Yaz Island, would you be willing to step up and... Create that. Mike, that's a hard question, but I think my principles would be out the window.

The world's largest pasta-based theme park in the world. They're going to need a whole country of slaves for that museum.

To drive a little boat through a gigantic lagoon of beefaroni. Well, maybe my birthday shot next year is Jason pitches us his Chef Boyardee theme park. Okay. There is that pasta-themed theme park in Pennsylvania. What's that? What is it called? I think it's like an Italian... food themed theme park. I only learned about this.

Not too long ago. What in the fucking world? Why don't we know about it? Why hasn't anyone made us do it on Club 3? Are you talking about Del Grosso's part? Well, this is Italian-themed. That might not be... pasta theme well let me see though what are the names of these rides are they no they're just called like Pharaoh's Fury and stuff is this not what I'm supposed to be looking up no it's no grossos

So you thought an Italian theme park was just a pasta theme park? No, no. I think with the Del Grosso's, I think... They produce and distribute... They make pizza sauce, spaghetti sauce and pasta. However, I don't believe it is in any way themed. And I could be wrong. I'm just I'm scanning Wikipedia fest. But I don't think that you're on like water slides themed to corkscrew and different shapes of pasta.

Well, I guess if the company that makes pasta is the name of the place, then okay, so we were saying. But it is not. Unfortunately, the sound of what you said sounded like, yeah, much more funny. Far away from pasta theme. The Laguna Splash Water Park at Del Grosso's. Everything seems to be filled with water and not marinara. Jason in a marinara lazy river. Filling up a big pot for later. Oh, that'll be a Chef Boyardee world. That's going to be one of the things. There's a water element to it.

I guess all the water will be marinara. And then some will be cream sauce for people that like that. There'll be two different rivers, a creamy white sauce and then a marinara river. Yeah, and when they... I'm joking. The inner of the big tube you surf in is like a big piece of pasta, and you can eat it while you go. Yeah.

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Let me wrap up the Joanna Miller thread and we can talk about the main show. So there was some attention for that first post. She did a longer post. She said, I would appreciate your support to convince the company to abandon the robot of grandpa. Perhaps if you. feel the same, perhaps write letters. Most importantly, I learned that Grandpa told Sam McKim that he never wanted to be an animatronic.

So this is how we have learned. We have proof there is a name. There is an anim. There is an imagineer who Walt had a second with and was able to say, hey, just FYI, in case I never get to say this to anybody else, please make sure. write this down could you make sure that my body is not puppeted around by in the grotesque in the grotesque manner that I myself invented to I knew Lincoln I always heard the anecdote and thought it was apocryphal. Like, he said he never wanted to be a robot. But...

He also has more Academy Awards than anyone else, and he built all these parks and made all these movies. He must have known it was a possibility. That's why he said it. That's why he got the work out. Yeah. Right. There is, yeah, there is like, oh, Walt. Some of the discourse is like Walt was very humble. And I'm like, well, he named the park his name. So I don't know. True.

I'm not saying he may have not wanted a robot. I'm just saying it is funny because some of it you're like, well, he didn't name it his name. And he was like all over all the things. And he obviously on some level liked performing. Well, look, all of these pleas ultimately do lead to. the company's attention and, uh, this, uh, Joanna Miller is granted a meeting with Iger. So this was something that happened that like, like, okay, we better kind of like sit down here and make.

sure everything's on the up and up and from the way it's described uh it's she's like i sat with him and he was very attentive and listened to my uh concerns and then

seemingly they just did whatever they were going to do anyway. And then they were all, but by then it was like, Oh, I see. We missed this angle that we have to be like, we have to like, you know, be very careful with the family and involve them in it because this was a man and not just a character and uh and so they like you know once it was complete they invited the family and here let you you we want you to be the first to see the show and then she saw

show and she started crying because she said it didn't look like him to me So, and that's the story of that. It led to no change and was just howling in the wind. Poorly received.

They'll make them move in the same way that they did the Mary Poppins P.L. Travers movie and they changed the ending to make her like Mary Poppins after all. They can make a movie about this and make her crying with tears of joy at the end of The Walt Robot Show.

to change the history they gotta do they gotta start doing that with everything I mean speak of the Muppets let's do the let's let's get Jim you know let's do the full Jim Henson movie where and somebody's got to play Eisner and like we would love the honor of purchasing

Your fine company and your fine character. Well, that sounds like a wonderful idea. That's I can't imagine Kermit and Miss Piggy and all my pals and better hands than and then and then they just walk off into the sunset and nothing about. the 90s, 2000s, and beyond is ever mentioned. Then there'll be like a movie about the destruction of Muppet Vision 3D, but it's a positive movie, and then they'll have the three of us played by actors, and then...

Tom Holland's playing Jason, and he's like, I love the idea of destroying Muppet Vision. I think it's great. So they'll change us around, our opinions on things, and they can totally reshape history and popular opinion. Tom Holland is Jason. You've just issued quite the compliment here. Yeah, I'll say. He just does a backflip for no reason. Now, Joanna Miller, she met with...

Did you say Bob Iger, the professional narrator? Is that the same? Is that the same? Yes, yes. No, the famous reader of words, the trustworthy host, also moonlights as the CEO of the Disney company. Yeah, I mean, we've talked about that a little, but that's something that definitely got our attention.

about this was discovering that oh it's narrated by Iger this is a rare and maybe first attempt to put Iger in the Eisner position of sort of doing what Walt used to do it's fascinating right and he's resisted it sold for so long and he I'll say I've been to Disneyland more this year as well I've not seen this in person yet I've watched the video like three or four times

from uh again and again and again from many different angles um i i i liked it okay like i was i was like oh he has a little bit of myth making it It's fine. It's Uncle Walt. It's a selective history, you know. The thing that I thought was really interesting, the Walt robot...

talks for about two, two and a half minutes. Lincoln talks for about five minutes. So they at least gave Lincoln... twice as much stage time, you know? They gave Walt the light. They did give Walt the light. What's interesting to me is that a lot of it... Is a movie. And there's two minutes of Walt. Why does it break so often? How? Does it break so often? I'm aware of two instances. Are there more that you're aware of? I feel like it was regular currents.

And then for a while, they were just doing Lincoln. Again, this is all anecdotal. Wait, I mean, first of all, feel like means that you don't know. And second of all. When did they start doing it as Lincoln? I don't want to have the exact numbers. They didn't turn Lincoln back on, I don't think. Did they? No, haven't they? I thought they did.

No, I think it's all Walt until maybe next year when they'll rotate the shows. Hopefully during the show. Hopefully you get to watch the rotation. Oh my God, that would be awesome. Spinning around and around. Dueling Lincoln and Walt. It's a Miroquai video. Unironically, would love to see the turntable in action. Yes, true. I'm curious what that mechanism is.

Not to backtrack and go too much out of order, but we should say that there's also, you get a little bit of pre-show stuff. And this has kind of always been the case. Like this space, the pre-show of the Main Street Opera House, has always had like... like historical Disney stuff. You know, look, I was pretty charmed by everything they added to that pre-show area. It's always a treat when you get a new, when they pull something historic out of storage, you know?

I loved it. I loved that little pre-show area. They added like a tiny version of Walt's apartment that you can look at. Oh, yes, which I think that all came from the Walt Disney Museum. I think they moved real stuff over, and I think they cooperated in this. In general, it is apparently the Walt Disney Museum that at one point said, what if we did a Walt animatronic? And that is when Walt's daughter said no.

And then, but then, you know, now, now you get it into the Disneyland hands and the stakes are higher. Um, this is the Walt Disney family museum in San Francisco. Yes. Yeah. That's where that, that place is awesome. Like that's really good. And then, yeah, there's just like one of the things I've said before in like about like the D23s is the thing I like is when you can get pretty close up to robots and old.

stuff from the rides and they've got this they've got a lot of it in in the lobby now which they didn't really have before they haven't recently at least Yeah, you got some pirates. You got some small world dolls. You got an old original Jungle Cruise alligator. You have whatever that little thing is that was Buddy Ebsen. It was the thing that they were going to take around on a tour, and that didn't really work out. Oh, yeah.

i heard something about this i forget if i said this on the show but in early disneyland days that it was going to be he wanted to like go from train station to train station and have all these little where these these fun little puppet shows that you could watch and he pitched this to the company and they were and one of their things was you realize like to load and unload this is insane and you realize that like train stations are dangerous in multiple ways and complicated

Like the zone, a train station, and then put a bunch of valuable puppets and animatronics there. And so it's that lack of feasibility that leads to, okay, what if I have a place that stays in place? And that is Disneyland. You get a lot of good Walt photos as well. You get Walt and Eisenhower. You get Walt and getting good award from LBJ, who has his own animatronic as well. Two robot havers. Two of America's great robot havers. You get...

Walt is giving blood to a nurse. Yes, yeah. That's a curious image. I don't know what for, and I hope it helps somebody. I don't know where that blood went, but that's magical blood to have. There's Walt's Awards from the Southern, what is it? Something from the Southern Area Boys Club on the wall to Walt Disney for his many contributions to the, I don't know, does it say Boy Cubs of America?

Could be from the Boy Cub Club. And there is a Boy Scout Award. Like, Walt, like, I don't know. Like, you can see this. Wow. They gave him the Golden Boy. Jason, look. I love it. Yeah, you've been looking for... It is you, yes, and your boy's got out of it. It's like the Shining. It's like the New Year's photo with Jack Nichols. You zoom in and it's me. Guy Sago pointed out a great cigarette Photoshop in this photo of Walt. Of Walt.

Looking over the plans for Disneyland, that pencil used to be a cigarette. Ah. Yeah. I love that he just had, like, if he had just had a lit cigarette next to this little wood model of the place that he wants to build so bad, just accidentally ashes, and then the, what building is that? I don't know. Carnation Cafe is torched. I was saying you can get so much time. You get so close to these two pirates and this pig, which is really cool.

Intimacy. Intimacy. Right. And I was like, oh, the show's starting. I want to stand here for a little longer. Yes, I think we got maybe a full show's length of bumming around there, which was nice to get. So maybe that's a tip. Don't rush through the little pre-show experience. Look at every photo, look at every drop of blood, and look at every...

uncigurated cigarette. Yeah, there's a lot of different stuff. I'm looking, I'm like, oh, there's a goose. There's a Mary Blair goose. There's so much good stuff.

So that's a real, I didn't realize they had all that stuff in there. That was a highlight. Is there any additional Buddy Ebsen stuff? There's only the one Buddy Ebsen thing we already referred to. Would you like there to be more?

I would like there to be more. The D23 website has a whole thing about Walt hiring him to do a dancer teen so they could, like, draw it, so they could use it as reference for the... early early animatronics like yes well that's that that's what they have is the little puppet that he was there was a prototype that and forgive me i don't remember the specific name of that but uh project little man That's right. That was the...

He was the second golden boy. So anyways, but then you are ushered into the theater. And if you are like me and a friend of the show, Jason Walliner, and a friend of the show, Bug Made Buzz Buzz, you want to gun... for front row center as fast as you possibly can. Did you also do this? Guy and I were front row center. Don't worry.

Is this only are is it only dorks who wish to get front-row center and be as close to Yeah, because it fucks you on the movie Then you're watching the movie and you don't have a best view of it because you're in the same way that any front-row of a movie isn't great But who cares? I want, when that curtain comes up, I want him to be eerily, upsettingly close to me, and I got my wish. Yep, yep, us too. I love that you guys did the same thing. That's okay.

There didn't seem like a lot of demand. It didn't seem like what everybody wanted. It was not a full theater, and certainly the row was not full. I don't know if there was another person in the front row. I don't remember. But, yeah, we were allowed. We were easily... Easily getting those chairs. Not a coveted spot. Standby line or virtual cues? No need, Jason. No need. Walk in is the answer. But didn't very early on, I feel like they were using virtual queues. Am I wrong about this?

maybe it was just the first week I think they must have abandoned that by the afternoon Oh, the opening day? Sure. Yeah, yeah. No, I think you'll be fine with the old walk-up. Should work for you.

So you get in there. I believe the host tells you that you are going to be hearing the narration of our CEO and Lord and Master Bob Iger. And the film begins. Now, Jason, you were starting to talk about the movie a little bit. I would tend to agree. I would on the like, you know, I wanted to find some areas of snark about this earlier because I don't know that I have a lot of snark about the movie. I think the movie is fun and fine.

The movie is fine. I thought... I was surprised they didn't... They touch on Walt's father. working at the Chicago World's Fair so quickly, and they show some pictures. And then I feel like Walt, I mean, that is interesting. His father was a carpenter at the World's Fair. Then decades later, Walt essentially oversaw another World's Fair, and that is barely touched on. Like, I'm like, oh, that's kind of interesting. I guess it's not...

a Disney-owned thing, per se. Well, you wanted the whole thing to be about the World's Fair, let's be honest. Well, I wanted the whole thing to be about the World's Fair. his, uh, you know, obviously labor actions, his... He's ratting to the House Un-American Activities. Oh, Jason's mad. Listen to Jason's mad now. I want, I want. You were mad about that relative earlier. You hate all the Disneys.

Oh, yeah. I hate him. I hate him. I can't stand it. Yeah, no, I agree. Yeah, I thought the film was solid. It's greatest hits stuff we've all seen to some degree in a different package. So I understand this is to educate the kids about the IP of Walt Disney, the character of Walt Disney. This is the like simple version, but I will be honest and I have like watched it.

on video since I was there, I certainly was just like, when are we getting to the robot? I was like, this is really going on for a while. When are we going to get to the robot? So I will admit that my kid brain was like, come on, come on. Yeah, yeah, I know. Marceline, yeah, yeah. Yeah, okay. Where's the robot? So that's maybe a me problem, but I knew the robot was just mere feet away, and I was very impatient watching the film.

That's true. You're watching a wall that is going to rise up and reveal a robot any second now. And you're watching things that you've seen before. It really does turn into, to use our phrase, frequent footage. When it... turns to the dream of Disneyland, it becomes a frequent footage film festival. You get Walt pacing through the grass. There's one, I swear to God, I've seen this so many times, when there's like a big balloon.

on the flying saucers. Does that feel very familiar? I know what you're talking about. That's the way they show the swinging 60s, that and the spaceman taking off. I feel like I know that footage more than some extended family members. Indeed. It is a commonly used thing.

And then you, of course, get Aaron's favorite, Walt and the Map. You can never see enough map. We've got to trot out the map. But there's one that is not frequent footage that I want to be. And the clip that I'm speaking of is it must be. be the intro uh for some uh wonderful world of disney type thing where a bunch of crazy goddamn dogs jump up on walt's desk oh yeah like a big pack of dogs run in there just

like full of piss and vinegar, mad one. And then what? And they're all like jumping, causing a ruckus. And one jumps on his desk and then like almost hits the roof. It's crazy. Double jump. It's so fast. Flies way the hell up. Kind of scares Walt a little bit. I've seen videos where that gets a laugh from the crowd. So this is clearly a good one. I say less map, more crazy goddamn dogs. Yeah, I agree. Completely agree. That dog clip.

is wild and I maybe have seen that one other time but certainly not often and I would I wouldn't mind just like replaying that like it's a clip show Like three or four times during this whole movie. Yeah, I agree. Reverse it. Zoom in a little bit. Push in. All the tricks that you would use. What's more exciting than when you're at Disneyland and you see a real-life dog? So, like, in that spirit, let's see all the dogs running on Walt's desk. Right, we should.

Nothing is more exciting at Disneyland than seeing a real dog. That's true. Nothing. Yes. Controvertible statement. World's Fair material and a real dog. I'll say this. One thing where I'm like.

Oh, that was interesting. And I don't know if I've dug into this very much. When they refer to like 1931, Walt had like a heck of a breakdown. And I'm like... Well, now I kind of want to know more about the breakdown year. And, like, that spurned him to take a vacation, like the first vacation him and his wife ever took, supposedly. I was like, oh, that's an interesting detail to put in there. Like...

The only way he was going to take a vacation after eight years of being together was to have a heck of a breakdown. That's how low he has to stoop to go get on a train with his goddamn wife. It's funny. Jason wanted to hear more about the World's Fair and just Walt's vacation. You wanted like 10 minutes of just like vacation and what did he eat on the vacation? What hotel did they stay at? He drew that Mickey Mouse on a train back west. Which route did he go? Did he go north? Did he go...

South throughout the country, you know. Did the hotel have a rewards system at that point or how long? Oh, at that point. Probably not, but maybe they had a version of it. What was the dining car like at the time? Right. So Jason wanted this to be like a two and a half hour movie before the robot. Sure. And detailing the breakdown. What did it consist of? Was he screaming into a toilet?

Was it a fugue state? What was it? What kind of a breakdown was it? Could have been anything. Did you walk around the studio buck naked? 1931 breakdown and 2025 breakdown, I feel like are very different. Well, yeah, 1930, yeah, I feel like it's like... 1931 could mean anything, you know? Yeah, Walt could be jumping from rooftop to rooftop in his neighborhood or something nude.

Hijacking a cable car, a red car trolley in Los Angeles. Uh-oh, someone's having a breakdown. And then in 2025, a breakdown is like... Like I watched a movie and I felt kind of sad. I felt too sad to go to work the next day. It feels like there's a difference in terminology maybe from the decades. Sure. That's right.

Walt toughed that out. We need to up the bar of what a breakdown is. Right. Be like Walt. Muscle through everything. Right. Most importantly, don't take vacations. Vacations make you weak and soft. And the only reason we celebrate that one vacation is that it gave him a bunch of ideas to bring back to work. Otherwise, we would condemn this vacation. You can't take vacations because you're losing time when you could be grinding.

You know? Yeah, and Walt was a rising grinder. Walt was a hustle grind set guy. Well, that's true. That's how we got all this stuff, theme park stuff. Yeah. It's true. He invented silly symphonies and a multi-plane camera and rising and grinding.

So, you know, but you get a nice little history. And they do kind of hit this theme of like, never gave up. I guess it's not, I don't know, if you're going to like find an angle and a little story to tell within this, you know, I guess it's nice to humanize him and hear that, you know.

that once he got set on something, no amount of failure was going to... It's like how when you get your mind set on building a robot of somebody, you never give up, no matter how many upset granddaughters try to have meetings with you. Yeah, that's good. We should applaud Imagineering for just, you know, keeping their eye on the prize.

So, when the moment comes, and if you are seated front row center, man, that's a gasp. Boy, do you get a big gasp out of that. I think especially because he's in shadow, and then the screen rises. uh and and like oh there's this there's this little leggies there they are and then then and then you get the face and then he kind of rises up toward you and oh man just just amazing

Yeah, I was like, hell yeah. Because, you know, we've seen these pictures of him and people were hating on how it looks. And because like I think that partly because it was built up so much like this is going to be the greatest robot ever made. It's going to be so accurate. He has the little twinkle in his eye. They figured this out, this technology. And then people were trashing it. And then the curtain rises, and I'm like, there's a wall right there.

Look at him. We can see him. We all felt that across the board. I think we all probably were anticipating maybe we're going to have some fun and laugh at this. And that's not even right. And it's weird. And it's scary. I totally enjoyed it all. And I can't speak to like...

I wasn't even thinking about it doesn't look like him exactly. Like, what do I know? Whatever it is, I liked. It was a compelling and interesting robot performance that conveyed the spirit of Walt Disney. It shut me up. I liked it. yeah i liked it uh i did like it and and what i found and maybe this is not i haven't seen people talk about this i found it melancholy And sad. I felt that it was an interesting choice to make a majority of the dialogue sad, almost regretful. And I was like...

I don't know if that's what they were going for, but what an interesting choice because I left the theater feeling bad for this guy. It's very self-deprecating. Yeah. But he's dying any minute. By the way, to place it, the Imagineers tried to pick a time of when to set this and when to make what era of his office that we're creating. And they decided to do it where he still had like a little bit ahead of it.

Like the Florida project is still ahead and he's currently making Mary Poppins. And that's why it's in 63. So you are looking at a man who will be dead in three years. Yeah. And that's.

Maybe part of it, but I was like, okay, they have, you know what, this is like three minutes. And 75% of it I felt was a man looking back at his life and thinking, maybe I... didn't like live in the optimum way yes i'm proud of all i've done but he says there's two things that he's talking about he's talking about how his brother had a more fun life being a mailman

He's talking about, I called him, what does he say? He was a smart Disney? He says he was a smart Disney. And he's kind of like going, yeah, yeah, I've really like, it's been a fucking ton of work. and pain in the ass and imagining what it would be like to have had a simpler life. And then he tells that story about, of course, we'll get to it, the little bee.

He's talking about a kid that asks him, Mr. Disney, what do you do? Do you draw Mickey Mouse? And he goes, no, I don't do that. Well, do you do his voice? No. I don't know if they ask that, but do you have the ideas for things and the jokes? No, I don't do that either. And I feel, and maybe this is me reading into it, that he's kind of realizing in that moment, I'm not even doing anything that fun anymore. I'm not even getting to participate actively.

In the making, I go around and I kind of get people excited and I let them do the fun stuff. So I found that first chunk, those two chunks of dialogue sad. I felt this guy was going, maybe I didn't do this right. Maybe I didn't. Maybe I could have had more fun doing this job. This job has been a fucking hard pain in my ass.

And yeah, it's great. I'm so happy we're doing all of this. But like looking back, I bet I could have had more fun. I bet I could have lived this differently. And I felt sad and I liked that. I thought that was a good, that was interesting.

Because I'm chasing different types of... I've said this on the show a lot. I'm chasing different types of emotions. This didn't feel like the General Walt... speech where he just goes and we're doing a lot of fun things and you know it all started with he does the line about the mouse but like it's I felt like it was going to be a much more generic Walt so I felt like they made the choice to kind of make him like

Sad and melancholy. And I think it was great. I think it was a great choice, honestly. Yeah. You know what? I hadn't thought about that. That is kind of something that makes it unique. And yeah, that there's some vulnerability there.

And yeah, yeah. Well, look, what does he want to do with the studio that he's not... Getting to do. I mean, look, he can't be one of the Incan painters. That's what girls do. That's women's work at that studio. Of course. He can't be painting Mickey Mouse. Right.

I don't know, but I guess he does, but doesn't he seem excited when he talks about being a little bee? He does. And getting to go around from room to room, and there's something to that. Like I said, some of that might be my reading into it.

Some of that might be where I was at when I was watching it, but it felt like the kid is asking, well, do you do this fun thing? No. Do you do this fun thing? No. And in that moment, yeah, I just felt like, yeah, he is sort of excited about the B, but I think maybe from that first chunk to the second chunk, I carried over that regret. And to me, it felt like then the regret lingered into like, I'm not doing the fun stuff anymore. I'm just sort of an administrator.

And my reading of it was like, yeah, that does seem less fun. And I think that's what happens to a lot of people when they move up the ranks is that you end up becoming more of a manager and you're less in it and less... like doing the fun stuff and that's being a manager is a pain in the ass and for a creative person it's hard I know that's the I know that's a syndrome that happens but I think if that's what Walt Disney's feeling was then I don't think he was

plugged in enough to what he was doing because the things that he is managing are oh yeah figure out how to make little birds sing and uh you know figure out how to make people uh you know go up to the ceiling in a movie and um

Like, I don't know. Like, I feel like, come on, if this guy wasn't having some fun. He was having fun, and people would say, like, when he was at Disneyland specifically, like, that was when he was having fun driving, like, a golf cart around or walking around. Like, obviously, he was still having fun. He was not engaged probably like he was in the early days when it was a simpler thing, just working on a cartoon. We're just doing this.

And then the headache of being a manager and all the money trouble Disney had over the years were like, oh, my God, the company's going to go bankrupt unless we do this. Or, oh, my God, this isn't working. There's so much just boring money stuff. I know his brother did a lot of that, but there's just so much management stuff that probably weighs you down, like being the head of a company.

And it's less simple than the old days of like, oh, we made a Mickey cartoon and it's simple and I did the voice and it's fun. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I mean, that's that's that's probably why Iger wanted to narrate it. I'm sure he feels the same way. I'm sure I think Iger probably is exploding with ideas for cartoons that he thought of.

He's got a sketchbook that he's too afraid to show anybody. Here's my character, Sad Little Robbie. Robbie the sad boy. Iger has a script credit on most of the Phineas and Ferb reboot. Once he finally got to do what he really wanted to do. Can I just be in the room? Weird idea, but can I submit a packet? And I'm not going to put my name on it. Read them blind.

I don't want to step on some toes, but I've got some great ideas for Perry the Platypus and Dr. Doofenshmirtz plots, okay? An Iger idea is what if we did... Oliver and company with real humans and CGI. Now, a Michael Eisner idea is my kid likes gummy bears, make a gummy bear show. Now, that's different. That is a real top-level idea.

Yeah, yeah. He's more the Walmart. He has some vaguely thought through idea. Or like, I went on a vacation and I went to a vacation to a place where you could take classes and learn how to paint. Do that. Figure it out. Leaves, goes to another room. He kept up. Eisner was a little bee. Is Iger a little bee? I don't know if Iger's a little bee. Iger, do we see this clip where he's riding the pirate's ride with a couple guys?

lately no no been posted i forget who the guys are but there's a couple weird things in the special but Iger like they're done on pirates and Iger's like well you know it's not the most compelling story but it's like he says something sort of dismissive about pirates and he uses the word story

But, you know, it's fun. I think it's his favorite ride and whatever. It comes off very annoying to me because you're like, what are you talking about? Like, well, the story isn't so compelling, but like... It's a fun thing or whatever. It just seems like he doesn't understand it at all. It seems like he's completely clueless why someone might like this. Or, you know, I like it, but it's dumb.

We tell story. I just look for me. Ultimately, it's about story. We tell this. We tell the story about a lion cub who dreams of being a king one day. And then 30 years later, we tell the exact same story in the exact same way. We tell the story of a toy cowboy and a toy spaceman, and they're friends, but the toy cowboy dreams of more, of a life where he's not subject to just being a plaything forever, and he can explore and wander.

And he leaves his best friend, the spaceman, and rides off into the sunset. And then a couple years later, they're back together. And I fucking figure, I don't know why. It's part of the story. You write the story of why the cowboy and the spaceman are back. That's the one word I wish they would stop using. I really wish story would go away. That drives me insane lately, too.

I was just re-watching that Tony Baxter interview where he was talking about Mark Davis complaining about people calling rides stories. They're not stories. We seem to drive Mark Davis crazy too. I'm like, yeah, of course. Well, you're going to need to think about story when they, you know. They get the horrifying CG Oliver and company move in, you know? Yeah. We need to remember the story of Oliver and company.

It's the story of a cat lost in New York City. A story that we've told before, but we've never done it with extremely realistic hair. Well, that's the difference. We want to see when that hair gets wet. How disgusting can we make the wet hair look? I was shocked at the size of the picture.

on Walt's desk or whatever area, creative area, of Ed Wynn. Yeah, you went right to this. You posted an Instagram story of a framed photo of Ed Wynn, and I didn't know offhand where that was. I was like, well, there's a little Disney Easter egg, because I sat and watched the show, and my eyes did not go to the photo of Ed Wynn. Ed Wynn. Well, look, I'm not as Ed Wynn-minded as you are. That's so funny because the curtain rose and my eye went right to it. And I went, there is a...

Like, at least an 8x10 photo of character actor Edwin, the guy who we named our dog after, Edwin, who is still around. Edwin's in the other room. But, yeah, so I was like, whoa, look how big that is. That isn't even like an Easter. It didn't feel like even like an Easter egg. It felt like he was a part of the show. It was just so big, and I couldn't take my eyes off Edwin, honestly.

You were lost in the character actor, the odd character actor eyes of Edwin. Well, Walt had a system in his office. When he was due to have lunch or dinner with somebody, instead of putting it in a calendar, his assistant would just put a big... That's how he knew. Stakes with Ed tonight. Did you know that Walt Disney called Edwin his good luck charm? Wow. They didn't.

I don't know. Yeah, he had an affection for Ed Wynn, like we all do. I mean, as much as maybe you didn't notice his face, obviously I think you have some affection for this guy. This is one of those, this just happened, and when we did the Club 3 about the Paul Williams, there was something that came up where you were like, you were demanding.

Or Paul Lynde, sorry. You were demanding to know what I, as a child, thought about Paul Lynde. And I was like, Mike, I don't think I thought about him as a child. Now, I certainly like Ed Wynn and Mary Poppins, but it's just... One of those that you throw out like it's a given. And I'm like, I don't know. Affection is a strong word. Well, I would believe. Affection for my children. I believe that Edwin, more people.

We're familiar with at least his work than Paul's necessarily, you know, because I think Mad Hatter, Mary Poppins, those two things for me loom very large. Mm hmm. Because I love the Mad Hatter and Alice in Wonderland. And those two alone. And great uses of the kind of casting he would do. The sort of colorful oddball. You know what? Maybe I'm more of a... I think I'm a Sterling Holloway guy.

Hey, look, you're not going to get an argument from me there. Hey, you're speaking my language now. Edwin, of course, his voice still, people have ripped his voice off now almost more than anybody. So you'll still hear, whether it's King Candy and Wreck-It Ralph, he still lives in cartoons and will forever, I assume, because it's such a fun voice to do. Yes, yeah.

I believe he's more known than Paul Lind. I'm not totally out of my mind. No, and it makes sense. I mean, that's a fun, interesting detail, but a detail that I admittedly missed 100%.

that you locked into. Honestly, it was distracting to me. Like if there was like a photo of a naked woman on his desk, I would have been less distracted by it. Is this the part where I act surprised that you said that? No, you don't have to. I'm just saying, like, I couldn't. I was like, look how big it is. Like, I almost wanted, like, I took my eye. I didn't take my eye off.

the robot too much, but I wanted to turn around and be like, is everyone seeing this? You ever see how big that picture is? It's like bigger than all the other pictures on his desk. Okay, now be honest. What did you do with Guy Selga about this? Did you nudge him? Did you point? Did you whisper? Did you just talk to him as soon as it was over? I think as soon as it was over. I don't think I mentioned it in the moment, but I cannot be sure.

I don't really remember. That's amazing that you were able to withhold that. I absolutely brought it up immediately. And I go, there's a big picture of Ed Wynn on his desk. What did he say? He goes, oh, yeah. I think he said, oh, yeah. And now you've given all of our listeners the chance to say, oh, yeah. Jason, did you notice this from the video? I didn't catch it. No, I didn't. I did not. Sorry, Mike. I didn't notice. But now I'm going to go look for it.

Is there a picture of his wife and children? I don't know. I don't know if there is that. No, I think it's only his good luck charm Edwin. I do have to issue a correction. The Sterling I like is Sterling Hayden from The Killing in Dr. Strange. Okay. Sterling Hayden. Yeah, he's good. I mean, you're not a Sterling. He's Denver Ripper.

He's General Ripper in Doctor Strangelove. No, he's not the voice of Winnie the Pooh, no. He is not, no. It would have been funny if he was. And is what, the snake, Sterling Holloway, is he the snake in Jungle Book?

Yeah, and Alice in Wonderland, Cheshire Cat. Right, yeah. You've got to like that guy, too, though. You like all the Sterlings. Come on, Jason. Kay Brown, in fact. Oh, I do. I do. I just... I have fondness for being a precocious 15-year-old going, you know, Sterling Hayden and Stanley Kubrick worked together twice, killing N. Doctor Strangelove. Pretty cool. Would you say that to an empty room? I would say that at a school dance and it would immediately become an empty room. Um...

Well, so he gives this little, this, you know, somewhat depressing little speech is what we found, but a humanizing speech. And then his office kind of turns to magic and he sort of looks up. up above him and it's a you know it's kind of an it's it's sort of it feels like such an immediately classic Disneyland moment that you're amazed they didn't have like a kind of Walt Disney lovingly looking to the sky and then this seeing his memories while

when you wish upon a star plays something a song that moves people so much and so clearly so much like part of the emotional core of of disney and yet it's still every time i'm like but this this is like the emotional heart of the company is built on this song and it's still it's still this old This guy going, sees you through. That part, I think, is sillier than anybody gives it credit for. Yeah, I know what you mean.

Cliff Edwards, another one of Walt's favorite old men. Yeah. It is. I wonder, like, I do like one, You Wish Upon a Star. I'm trying to think if there's another, like... That one doesn't make me as sad or melancholy as much as I think it does for some other people. I don't know why. If they played Baby Mine at the end of things, maybe that would make me sadder. But I like When You Wish Upon a Star.

Well, I like the song. For me personally, just needing, preferring to have a little bit of synth in things when I can get it. For me, the Huey Lewis. Song from the beginning of Oliver and Company. Oh, yeah. That one cuts to the core more. They need to bring that song back in different things. Goofy. The problem is... Oh, yeah, right. The problem really is that...

Oliver and Company isn't very good. Yeah, it's a sad truth that you have to admit. It's an inconvenient truth. If you're our age, then you have a lot of love for it, and you probably have a lot of love for the songs. That was the first movie I saw. in theaters. Yeah, me too, but unfortunately I've watched it in the last couple years and I go, this isn't very good, sadly. I was talking about it. Maybe I'll watch it after this. Good luck.

We'll see. He'll like it, I think. Yeah, he'll like it. I probably will. Yeah, I like everything. I think they should swap out. They should swap out the song at the end. Sometimes it's... When you wish upon a star, sometimes it's, what should I worry? The Billy Joel. I was going to say, if you've watched that movie recently, Mike, my biggest question is, let's take the songs out of it. How is Billy Joel's acting?

Just in the scenes. It's okay. Doesn't he say he's like absolutely, absolutely. He's kind of doing like a barber. Oh yeah, little B. G'day, Oliver. You know what, Oliver, you look so lonely, you could use a company. I mean, that's one where I have... such a nostalgia for it because of all that, but it's not like, like the Goofy movie resurgence, even though maybe it's hit peak saturation and it's like maybe a little annoying, but Goofy movie is good and all the songs are good. Yeah. Obviously.

fox robin hood that's a good fun little breezy movie which sometimes like your tony baxter's the world feel like dismissive and i'm like that's a better movie than you're giving it credit but unfortunately oliver and company the movie i got very bored with in the last couple of years, whatever, a year ago when I watched it. But the songs, why should I worry? Yes, I do like some of the songs, so there's that. But I wish I could say...

Man, that's actually as good as all the other things, but I don't think it is. Well, they needed some dogs as crazy as those goddamn dogs on Walt's desk. Yeah. Talking about the melon. Oh, what did you say?

Oh, you go ahead. Oh, I was going to say, you're talking about the melancholy Walt robot. I was a little surprised. With that tone, they didn't play Feed the Birds, which is like the most melancholy song, which Walt admittedly loved. That was his favorite. Yeah, I mean, when you wish upon the star, I mean, Feed the Birds is so sad.

So I guess when you're upon a star is a little bit more uplifting than that and people are familiar. But it would have been more appropriate to how I felt the tone of the show was to just end it on this very slow, very depressing. beat. With your read on it, you wanted Elliot Smith's Needle in the Hay. I'm just a bee and I just gather pollen. Don't do anything fun. CEO in the hay.

If you could have had, like, Disney fight it a little bit or something, like, I don't know who Goofy sings it. Something fun. add to it

Anyway, Walt then kind of descends into the shadows, and I swear at that moment, he looked me square in the eye. It freaked the hell out of me. It's really... I don't know. I enjoyed it. It's eerie. You just... get there early muscle through those kids uh make sure you get front row center oh you're showing on your phone oh my god look at how scary that is when it feels and i guess uh is that your background

No, it's just these are photos I took. I have a newer phone now, so they're pretty. The photos are like... Wow. Really good. Every manufactured wrinkle in this fake old man's face. Yeah, you can get really close. I think you made eye contact with me as well. You really feel that eye contact. You can feel it like it's real if he gets you.

I feel like they programmed it to specific chairs. I think they knew, like, okay, well, dorks are going to sit here, so make sure he really, like, goes down the barrel of that seat, of seat A2. I've been told that the... Eddie says your name. Everyone in their head hears their own name from Uncle Walt. I've been told that the eye twinkle effect is a little light projection in like a little box right up in the front of the stage.

So there's literally a light reflecting off of like a pinpoint accurate light reflecting in his eyes to give him that like human quality. Well, how do we get this in our live shows? Great question. You know what? I sense that I think people we do shows sometimes and I sense that people like us, but I don't know if they love us.

I don't know if they love us like kindly uncle figures. So I think we need to. All right. We'll go. We'll get there early next time. We'll tech. We'll make sure we get those sparkle lights. And then we. And then we do it and they're dialing it in. And then like, oh no, it's set to 1000%. Laser eyes. They were forever blinded by their desired sparkle. Well, we have to fine tune it, but...

We'll get it right. At least for Jason, we'll get it right. We'll put it all in your basket and hopefully not blind you in the process. Just please do not permanently blind me. Well, we know guarantees, though.

I do have a picture of the desk Lincoln's photo is bigger than Edwin's photo but it is still pretty big But Edwin is bigger in the photo. In his face, yeah, it's bigger. I really should have done this before, but the book's on Walt's desk. Jimmy Dale and the Phantom Clue. That's sitting on Walt's desk. I don't know what that book is. Jason, have you ever heard of that? You're the reader. No, well, it sounds like a 1910s, 1900s children's mystery. It sounds like that. I got a bunch of my...

Back of my mom's, there's a bunch of like books from when my grandfather was very young called like Poppy Ott and the Pickled Peacock or one of the best titles I've ever read. um boy scouts on the moon wow and so this is all Just steps away from being dust. Jimmy Dale and the Phantom Clue is a 1922 mystery novel by Frank L. Packard, the third book in the Jimmy Dale series. The story follows the wealthy socialite Jimmy Dale.

as he assumes his secret identity is the Gray Seal to investigate a mysterious phantom clue connected to a series of crimes. Wow, Jason, this is right up your alley. You've got to get into Jimmy Pale. Jimmy Dale. And his alter ego, the gray seal. Yeah, he's a wealthy playboy by day, but at night he puts on a costume and became the gray seal. You know what? We're dealing with Batman here. This is exactly what it is. Jimmy Dale invented Batman and got none of the credit. Yep, that's what it is.

Wow, because he's a wealthy guy, wealthy social worker. This could have been their biggest superhero. If we'd gotten into, and we know there's multiple tales, if this had worked out and Walt had made a movie of this, they wouldn't have had to buy Marvel way later.

Right. By the time they got to Phantom Clue, it would have been the same as like, oh, my God, they're doing Infinity War. I'm guessing now, because it's 100 years, that Jimmy Dale is in the public domain. So Jason can go into production today.

I just borrowed The Adventures of Jimmy Dale from the library to my Kindle. Well, you go into production with your movie and TV show today because it's public domain. Let's do a Variety article. Jason Sheridan... penned jimmy dale jimmy dale film series uh now in the works there's what frankiel pecker wrote a book he wrote a book called the sin that was his that's an intriguing title that's really good

That makes me wonder. And now I'm just, I'm just to go back to the beginning. I'm applying that to scumbag Jason. Like what was the, the sin that was his in the eyes of Mike, I think was like one time he like wagged his tongue around lasciviously. My God, so sinful. I'm probably just running my mouth and not realizing I was being mean and hurtful.

Thinking I was being cute. You said earlier that you weren't. You said you were nice and conscientious earlier. Well, I didn't say I couldn't be cutting. I feel like I was very cutting without realizing. You were pithy, maybe? sometimes? I guess pithy anxious is what it really was. The sin that was his was pithiness. On the way out the door, I discovered two of the malfunctions of the hundreds and hundreds of malfunctions that Jason... Oh, hush now. What I saw, I saw two videos. One...

Uh, he is about to talk and then he kind of like stands, he like sort of stands up straight and stiff and almost like springs a tiny bit. Like when Bugs Bunny is aroused, uh, when he goes completely flat and kind of like, uh,

That happened to Walt. So Walt got a bunny boner and then they just kind of quietly end the show and everybody has to file out. They close that curtain as fast as they can. It reminded me a little bit of a recent... clip this was going around and John Oliver Referred to it, but there was a there was a presentation of a Russian AI robot who kind of like stumbles onto the stage

and then he like basically he takes like five drunken steps and then immediately falls and then they try to like shit shit curtain cover it but they pull out the curtain so badly and there's like a giant knot in it so they can't cover the robot officially at all the curtain part is way more embarrassing than the falling robot so Disney thought this through they didn't make it so like one stressed out man as to pull the curtain they could just do it from the booth

not give because it was really the area where they were asking for the most trouble making a robot of Walt like what if he I don't know snapped in the middle, his head drooped down toward his crotch, and it left all of us going, oh no, Uncle Walt is sucking his own dick.

The one malfunction when he springs forward, you hear a loud, like, beep, like, trunk backing up. And I'm like, why would they put that feature in there? gave him truck noises they made him a human only that's actually that was the full quote he said to Sam McKim don't ever make me a robot unless they let me do stuff that trucks can do beep beep give me a big give me a big horn

Could someone hack the robot and add new dialogue? Oh, this is a good question. And that's the kind of fun that I want today's hackers to be figuring out. Yeah, God. What could you do? I don't know. You could run old red fox routines through him. Yeah, that's a very good point. You really, though, sky is the limit. I mean, yeah, you could have him do... I don't know, because, like, I guess, yeah, you could do AI Walt voicing and say anything. You could really get him to say anything.

you could get him you would you know you know you have to know where to look because they tried to scrub this from uh rebroadcasts as quickly as they could but or just find a transcript of uh Martin Lawrence's monologue from Saturday Night Live in 1994, you know, just like which, you know, was on the topic of feminine hygiene. And I could see it going two ways. I could see you keeping with Martin.

Lawrence's voice or I could see kind of AI sampling Walt's voice so that it is Walt himself delivering the I think it's gotta be Walt himself I think that's the best. I mean, I'll take either one, but that has to probably be the way. I wonder if this stuff on, like, is it connected to the internet? it has to be right are the computers hooked up to the internet in a way that could be hackable that's my question

Is there some way in or is it all a system remote that's just its own thing? It's not plugged in so people can't. I bet it's like easily hackable if you really had the desire to do it. You don't think the Walt robot is like the knock list in Mission Impossible? It's exactly what I was thinking about when I said it's like sort of a single computer not hooked up to a network. Yes, that is. I don't think it's that. I bet it's like hooked up. I bet it's like on.

Wi-Fi I bet it runs on Wi-Fi and the program is running off a computer in Glendale so you think it could be hacked the way that like dishwashers and ovens are being hacked now because they're on Wi-Fi yes that's right OK, well, see, I think I'm going to figure this out and I want to weave it in so subtly so that it's just, you know, I was jealous of my brother. You know, he was the smart Disney. He'd go doing his he'd go do his paper routes and, you know.

No pressure in the world. He could go fishing whenever he wanted. And on another topic, some of you are not washing your ass properly. I tell a woman in a minute, douche, douche. Some women don't like it when you tell them that, but when you straightforward with them, put a cert in your ass. I'm so glad I found it in time. You found the actual Martin Lawrence. Wow. Yes.

I didn't find like the court transcript. You know, I, you know, no, I don't do the voice of the, I don't draw the characters anymore. And I don't think of all the jokes, but you know, uh, unrelatedly, I don't give a damn what you do. Put a tic-tac in your ass. The dads who had fallen asleep at the 5 p.m. show, they will wake up so fast. They wake up like springboard waltz. Add attention.

And some of these lines, I'm going to mentally, I read what I was comfortable saying from the monologue. There are some other parts that. Sure.

I am not. Now, if you guys want to find the same link and say these lines in Walt's voice, feel free. Jason, old Jason would. Oh, that's what, yeah, well, leave that to scumbag. Well, I don't know that I want to say all of it. This is like a... How do I find a video of this?

I'm not sure. I think it exists. There's articles about it. I've definitely seen it. I don't know the current source of the Martin Lawrence monologue. Actually, you know what? The only other part that I would love to say of the Martin Lawrence monologue was, okay, we got a great show. Crash test dummies are here. We'll be right back. What a show. What a time. Walt could sing a crash test dummy song. Yeah. Oh, go ahead, Jason.

Oh, I was just going to say, if you can get the Walt robot to skank, to do some skanking, like the Crash Test Dummies guy. Yeah, I don't know. Did Crash Dance Dummies play SNL every other week in the 90s? I feel like that's always the go-to musical guest. Yeah, well, yeah, they were, you know, like Alec Baldwin was a go-to host, and Crash Just Dummies, I believe, performed 78 times on Saturday Night Live. No, they, no, only, I,

I wish the answer was more than once, but I believe it was more than once, unless they snuck into the band with Lenny Pickett. But anyways, well, again, unless there's more of the monologue to read, I believe. you survived podcast the ride uh and you know so you know what go see this show it's fun to laugh about but I genuinely did enjoy it it's a cool thing they did it's better than Lincoln leave Lincoln back there don't unrotate it

Lincoln's done. Lincoln's in the past. I think they just need to up Lincoln. I think they need to do a little something, a little razzle-dazzle now to get it to this level, and I don't know what that is, but yes, I agree this is better than the Lincoln show. And yes, either plus up Lincoln or keep this.

Well, let him read the Woody Harrelson monologue. The anti-vax one. The recent one. Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, hey, for three bonus episodes every month, check out Podcast the Red, the Second Gate, or get one more bonus episode on our VIP tier, Club 3. You will find all of that at patreon.com slash podcast the ride. I believe by now the episode about the Cotino Preview Center, Walt's ultimate dream. Robot, I don't know if I want that, but a housing development sort of near a different house.

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