Rocket Rods

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We'll find the next one. There we go! There's another run. Good. Some funny talk and then we talk about I Love Lucy Actor William Frawley to slow down to cool things down to make sure that we don't get too hot too fast.

This is a very humble of you to call Frawley a slow down as opposed to one of the fastest tracks it ever do. It excites me internally but I don't know that it does that to you. That's a speed ramp to you. The mere thinking that you're going to say him, that gets your heart palpitating.

Then it coming out of your mouth and then watching Jason light up when you say it and then watching me be indifferent which lights you up further. That's true. Frawley was almost too exciting for me. Frawley was like a straight away. I think the wind ups, like the curves are more like saying things like 25 million, May 22, 1990, saying the items. That's true. It's the connective tissue. It gets you from straight away to straight away. Jason shared in high.

Today we are continuing the as kicked down the curb tomorrow land series. How in its 30 years? Yes, as delayed as the real place. And here's kind of what brings us back to this.

We wanted to do the essential steps in telling the story of what brought us to the tomorrow land we have today, which is to say the ghost town. Mike has pushed recently to get back on the tomorrow land train in advance of D23, which is in August, where the big Disney convention where there is the thought that maybe we will finally get some announcements. That's what the feeling is because of all this movement with Disneyland forward being approved and with Rhonda Santis and Disney making nice.

They're now they've dropped a lawsuit against him and now it seems like they're they're paving the way for a big expansion down there as well. And they've booked what they booked the Honda Center for the actual park's panel at D23 this year. Yes, and just a reminder, the Honda Center is one of those venues that has the no bag rule unless they are clear. Right, you have a clear plastic bag is if you're going to visit Magneto and prison. Yeah, you just have to make sure.

Well, hold on. He could do some damage with those zippers, you know, that's a very good point. So you should have a plastic zipper if you're visiting Magneto and prison. Is this so they don't want people filming the panels? Is that the idea? I don't know because they live stream it. It's I don't know. This is also like certain venues have this role. Yeah, this is a stadymo. We went to see out in John like they kind of did this to my mother who had a purse.

So it's a venue is just in general. I don't know if it's easier to see if you have a knife on you. A lot of baseball stadiums have have that. But what if it's a clear knife or clear gun? Well, we're back to square one now. Erase the whiteboard. Yeah, you've changed everything. So I wouldn't put it past Disney to book a very large venue and then not deliver. That's possible. It is kind of the current Disney way to take a big space.

And then sort of do nothing with it. Yeah, so it's possible they're going to get drag everybody over there. Everyone's going to get really excited like worked up into a ladder. And then they're going to say, well, we're thinking about doing a few things and then they'll float a few ideas and then they'll send everybody home with like a poster. Like a poster of the new country bears. And then like have the people there will be like, I think that was good.

Yeah. And then the next day they's like sober up and they go, what was that? I paid $400 for that. Some of them, but some of them never will. Some of them stay drunk forever. Some of them will drink the cool. And the cool aid stays in me. So, so yeah, so what you're saying is I believe there's a chance. I believe there's at least a percentage of a chance that new tomorrow and stuff will be announced because they need to do this.

So I want to get our tomorrow and stuff out of the way before because I want to see what our see because now we can then gauge our predictions versus what might be announced. So we'll get to see who is right or what maybe we'll all be a little right. If they're yeah, and if we if we pull things out because what we're building to is this episode where we we fix tomorrow and then all in different paths to figure out how to do so.

And yeah, so if we accidentally predicted some things or if we said some things that are vastly more exciting right what gets announced. Right. Yeah, that's that's a good call. I still I hear you saying maybe this is the year we get to Marland and I think about like an angels in the outfield scenario where there's like an orphan who's like maybe my dad will come back this time.

Maybe my dad will stick around this. Yeah, I know my old my pops he cares about me. He loves me. I know it even though he's got a leather jacket. He's not just going to keep riding this time. I guess if we really want to gauge that there's a bigger chance that'll announce that like Disneyland forward stuff like over by the hotels, which is where they're going to expand.

That's more likely that they just announced a bunch of stuff from like over there. I think it is. Then saying tomorrow and is going to finally get its redo. I think yeah, and I think new is going to be more exciting than redone or fixed even though we know this is like.

If I were a homeowner, which I am not sure, I would imagine that there's things like the it's more exciting to try to add to turn the you know to turn the garage into a guest house or whatever when you've got like when the plumbing stinks when there is a terrible sulfur smell in your house. That's not an exciting way to spend the money, but you sort of have to do it right. That's true. They did announce that they're going to make the vehicles in autopia electric.

So I think that's also partly why some people say, okay, well, there's some movement in that area of the park. That's at least an indicator that what the clue that that unlocks I feel is that autopia and subs don't get demolished. Because if they're investing in there at all, yeah, right, yeah, it's not like that is going to become avatar. So that news is a disappointment to me because I would love that area to go and for it to become.

But I know, but at least I remain excited and I don't know if we'll get an announcement soonish, but avatar is the thing that they have shown. Yeah, yes, I know I don't know if we'll get it this year, but it seems like a given that there will be something avatar coming to the park. That picture is a matter of his art and Disneyland forward. It's probably not Disneyland proper, which doesn't make sense as weird DCA rumors. I don't know.

Well, you'll be excited to know that some of the houses at the casino story living will have shutters. Not just blinds. What if they do that? They drag everybody into this big Honda center room and they just mostly talk about casino. They talk about their different housing developments that are building. It seems really possible. I posted about this. I noticed a really mundane casino video. And so it might be like, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the designers from Shay Holmes.

It's very well cooked. I don't know. Yeah, in between like John Favaro coming out and doing nothing. Yeah, they do a lot of that with people. Of course, they brought Dick Van Dyke out to announce the Mary Poppins thing that never happened. God, they did. Yeah, in 2019, they brought him out and they're like, Dick Van Dyke, everyone goes nuts. Of course, and then he's there like, and of course an Epcot were doing a Mary Pouncing, which it turns out that was going to be nothing.

Basically like a spinner ride, maybe really canceled. Oh, man. People are like, oh, is it going to be like that Tony Baxter ride he developed like before he worked in Imagineering that there's a video about and it was like on the carousel. And then things would leave the track and they would go along a dark ride. Have you ever seen this? You start on. It was they do that you start on it that you it feels like you're on a carousel. It's on a carousel. And then it departs.

Right. Like in the movie. The first movie. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. The first movie. Yeah. Well, you remember the sequel. Yeah. The only Mary Poppins. Let's come on. No, no, it's fucking around. You mean in Mary Poppins. Well, you're going to pop into one. I refuse. Mary Poppins 3 is a topsy origins. Is it topsy? Well, that's more of a Disney plus streaming series. Oh, okay.

It's eight episodes. Topsy origin. In which topsy doesn't appear until the very, very end. Well, she doesn't be. How did she become a topsy? Is the question everyone's asking that's the question. How did she turn? Is it turning turtle? Is that the song? I'm so disappointed in you for not remembering the name tops. You remember her famous song.

It's a lot of tees. Oh, disappointed. That should be on the forefront of your mind at all moments. It's almost like if you can't quite remember it. Maybe that means that it's time for the runner to be retired. Is that a thought? That's something. Is it all Jason can't or so? I guess if Jason can't remember it, then fine. I'll only bring it up three times a year. Not six. What's the name of Madame's owner?

The ventral the ventral a quest. The long dead ventral a quest. Well, Madame's not my thing. Yeah, but it's been said. This is my new rule. If we can't all remember it, it's out. Who do you don't remember who operates, Madame? This is not fair. This is not any sort of room. This is unfair. I think it makes it indicates a lack of interest among all of the hosts of the show.

It indicates if it is not penetrated, everybody in the room, he's Google and why are we that? No, no, no, no, no, put the phone down. That doesn't count. I'm just missing some notifications about what? A pilgrim of course. I didn't want them to interrupt my notes. I have my notes over here. Okay. Okay.

Moving on, no more turtle, no more whale and flowers in Madame. There I said. Today, we are, I think this is a kind of a crucial piece of what brings us to the tomorrow and we've had for so many decades. This is really the culprit. It's also something that is kind of a dwindling resource in this show. We are running out of things to talk about. There are topics that you could possibly call Disney's worst ride. Right. And here we have a definite, very solid candidate and that is the rocket rods.

I've been looking forward to the rocket rods a lot. I mean, there's a lot. I remember it very strongly. This was a 1998. Jason's slowdown facts. You said early May 22, 1998. Part of the new tomorrow land redo. And what I remember strongly and I think I've talked about this before is how this was right around.

I was clearly, I was a big Disneyland kid in this era. And where in this, you know, getting to be a kid then in the early 90s and the first half of the Disney decade where it seems like things just keep getting better and better. There's Tune Town and then there's Indiana Jones like the ultimate just like raise of the bar of themed entertainment. Where are things going next? What are they doing next?

And what they did next was take away the electrical parade, replace it with light magic, the subsetting thing about pixies. Then this, then new tomorrow land. And all this in the same time that the Simpsons got bad. This was a time that let me know that institutions can fail me. That maybe I can't trust the long running hallowed institutions that give me the entertainment that I enjoy the most. The end of innocence. Yeah.

In a lot of ways, it kind of was. Yeah. In a time that's already awkward upset, you know, I consider it part of like sure was middle school bad because I didn't know how to talk to girls. And I didn't know what current music to like. Yeah, but I'd say like equal to that was Disneyland starting to not be good anymore. Yeah. Oh wow. We were still cooking on the east coast. We had animal kingdom. We had the islands of adventure preview center and islands of adventure after it.

You put preview center in the running of the park itself. I was going chronologically. I know that I know Mike that the islands of adventure preview center had a big impact on your adolescence. Yeah, it's it really all the all the girls left hearing about the preview center. So that helped me with girls too.

And I guess there's going to be some kind of jazz club in their city walk. They're not calling it. He's own anymore pretty cool anyway. How about it's no. Also, also the scapego song, how do you talk to girls help me out a lot too with that? Yeah. Yeah. Rick Springfield wrote it of course. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that helps too.

It helps to up an instruction manual song a song and certain manual. So okay. Well, you know what you do paint that that on the east coast. This is not so much your problem was my problem. I'm a big Disney land guy and this was highly anticipated and it kind of all undeniably was let down.

Did you clock any of this at the time were you aware that rocket rods and a disappointing new tomorrow and we're going on or do you do not clock it until you start going to Disneyland as your park and there's still kind of the remnants of it. I don't clock it at all at this time. It's not even on my radar. I'm more focused on islands of adventure. And I don't I don't even know if I knew what rocket rods were until like 2000 like late 2000s.

Okay. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Kind of the same. I was thinking about like because eventually tomorrow in 98 eventually you get buzz like you're after it a few years later. And I was like, oh, the first time I went to Disneyland is like 2006 and I definitely was like so that used to be the people mover. And it's just empty and then it's dawning on me like, oh, that's coming up on 20 years ago. Yeah. And that track remains empty. Yeah. Yeah. Well, in that, I mean, it's been empty technically since 2001.

So we had what we got 23 years of empty track. It's wild. Right. That's a good basic to bring up kind of before we get into the whole history, but Cliff notes of it rocket rods were a high speed replacement for the people mover, which we did a few episodes about slow moving very pleasant trip through the second story of tomorrow land.

Yeah. Remains in Disney world under a different name, but kind of this just like, you know, hey, that's something like a something the whole family can do an attraction that really wasn't hurting anybody. Yeah. If you hard to complain about it, I think. Right. But somebody somewhere gets the idea. What if this was a rip-roaring roller coaster rocket ride?

Yeah. I'm still yeah, it's it's just a funny thought to have because it's like, why what if somebody was like, why don't we make the train around Disneyland go super fast? You're like, I don't think that's the point of this. Yeah. I like going fast, but why would you use the same track and change a thing whose point was to like look at everything in a pleasant way. Yeah. It's just a funny idea. And then to carry out it like it was curse from the beginning.

It the idea itself is flawed. You're right. Yeah. Let's take the Columbia River boat. Let's take the let's take the market and yeah, yeah, rocket rockets on the mark. Jason, what if Mark Twain went really fast? If it went from a 12 minute ride to a two and a half minute ride or something. Yeah. What if it okay? It spins around and shoots around the lake really fast. Yeah. And they do not put in any chairs or restraints.

And then the one is nauseated. People are just constantly thrown in the water multiple times a day. Unless you hold on. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, that's just up to you. That system rewards someone like Jason who knows the ship very well. You would know where the railings were and the secure items as if you wouldn't go out like a life preserver because that's going to snap off. Yeah. And then you get to hug his favorite ship too, which is nice. Yeah.

For dear life. But you would give a few kisses while you were there. Well, if I'm already there. Yeah. And I'm already hugging. Exactly. You might as well be kissing. So yeah. No, I just like who's like, why don't we take a thing that goes nice and slow and make it fast? It's a really good point. Yeah. Take the castle and put it on a pole and have it like a weapon down.

Like a turn into a like shot. Right. Hey, these horses are interesting. We have a domain street. But what if we made them like race? What have we had people like racing on horses now main street? I don't know. That's the point of the horses. But okay. Yeah. Boy, well, you've really driven right to the core. That's true. I mean, it's like they're there. And that's what they're doing. They're doing a 180.

They're trying to turn one type of experience into another. But the question is, did anyone want that? And is that and if you're going to do a new roller coaster, why wouldn't you do that from scratch? Why would that? Yeah. Just do a different thing. Yeah. Yeah. But all the things to fix in tomorrow land. I don't think the people mover was one of them.

Right. And that's where I'll get into kind of some tomorrow land 98 history because, okay. So it's the early 90s and it's clear that in all the parks, there is a tomorrow land problem. But especially in Disneyland, I think that one was struggling the most. And this narrative that said a lot by Imagineers is just like, you know, keeping things futuristic.

Trying to predict the future is very tricky because the present catches up to the future. And I feel like even like staying, staying current, don't even not even aiming for future is. But staying current is really tough. Yeah. Yeah. Which has led to all of these like we've touched on some of them. But these like kind of like inane exhibits that get lapsed pretty quickly.

Oh, yeah. So always sort of a struggle. But what's weird is, I mean, I think it was kind of a fraught land always like the tomorrow end of the 50 seems real rough. Right. Then 67 is the first big redo. And they put in, you know, some of the primary pieces, you get carousel theater and you get rocket jets up on the platform. And we're getting closer to like the building blocks of a land that can't really go anywhere.

Past that we finally start getting locks. There are attractions that are locks that you can't do anything with maybe like aesthetic plus ups or new movies or whatever. But that's what it's something I think is so strange about the land is that it's a fraught land. But space mountain lock start toers lock. Yeah.

Magic eye theater, what's in it is not necessarily a lock, but at least at a there was a time where it being a movie theater is a lock. So, you know, if you're going to redo an entire land, you've got trouble here because there are locks to work around. Right. And rides that you probably want to keep open as much as possible. Hard to just blow up the entire thing and start over, which is sort of what they did for fantasy land with the Tony Baxter is very successful fantasy land redo.

Yeah. It was all just demolished and rebuilt. But not something you can't really really do here. The things that they need to change mission to Mars, we talked about that. That's become that is like a 70s view of space travel. And that's true of a lot of these things. You got America sings, which is a show for the bicentennial in 76, which was there until 88. They finally clear it out to you. They kick all the robots out and send them over to Splashmown. That's been sitting vacant since 88.

Circle vision. It's not still not a lot. I remember that was feeling like a ghost town by mid 90s. And they're playing a movie from 84. It's just, well, this is like a, this is a messy land. Yeah. But of all the things, people, movers and not one of anyone's complaints. It's not perfect. Change the vehicle. If you change it because like the people mover there had tops on it unlike Disney worlds.

Yeah. So you change the look of the vehicles, perhaps something, I don't know, neon stripes. The answer is, this is where they realize the answer is always neon stripes. Right. Yeah. Put a neon, yeah, strip or something on the sides or something like you could do. Well, yeah, and that almost could have saved rocket rods, but it got cost cut and then the was going to get in and then they just shut it down.

That was a possibility. It was, it was enlightening stuff. But so around this time, they're also, they're starting to solve the Tomorrowland problem in other parks with kind of this notion of future that never was not trying to be literal sci-fi future, but kind of a more fantastical version of it.

Euro Disney does, they don't do Tomorrowland at all. They do Discovery Land, which is this steam punk, European fantasy, Jules Verne, Shewells, pseudo-Victorian kind of vibe, a lot of bronze and gold and copper. Of all the things in Euro Disney that were there from day one, this land is a banger, I think it's still really great. And they have not had, there's been some changes to it, but I think like essentially the aesthetic has remained and it's really good.

I could see why this, they started clocking this as the answer. We're not going to try to keep up with whatever rockets are being used in real life anymore. Yeah, just aesthetically really great. Tomorrowland 94 in Magic Kingdom is fantastic. Yes. That is this other kind of sci-fi fan kind of more routed through 50s, 60s, you know, Kookie B movie, Buck Rogers, Flash Gordon.

And then, so, all right, we're starting to get some examples of like how we do Tomorrowland that's this fun ever pre, like always relevant sort of where they don't have to keep updating it, which brings us to what they wanted to do here, which is Tomorrowland 2055. We haven't talked about this a ton. This is one of those things that's very haunting because anything you see, concept art logo, boy this looked really cool.

Yes. Yeah, I know. It's that's I guess you're just imagining like what it would look like now and like I'm like, I'm like, yeah, we'd probably like make Tomorrowland like my favorite part of Disneyland maybe. I think so. I think yes. It's glowy. It's crystals. There's kind of a story and the crystals are part of it. There's made this potential for a whole we dig into everything about this and speculate what this would have been.

But there are all these like exciting possibilities, especially of what the big the non locks become, right. Mission to Mars becomes alien encounter, which we got in Florida, but this might have been like a better venue for it. It might have made sense. Carousel theater becomes Plectus. Fantastic. Galactic review. Again, I think there's a whole we should we need to try to find every drop of information.

This is it's not a lot. So yeah, circle the circle vision theater probably gets the time keeper show which went to Florida, which finally gave a story to one of these 360 circle vision movies within a metronix and Robin Williams here.

This successful show really good show. I assume that's what it would have been here. So big possibilities, cool possibilities, very distinct and different from the other new to Marlons, they figured out. But you're a Disney fails and this is part of the there's the most frequent.

It's the most frequently recurring words in theme park history, but your Disney fails and then X. Yeah, it's really it feels it feels so much more dire now now knowing that they're not going to ever do like a big land that has a bunch of like original characters in it.

It almost feels like if you had the time machine, it would be so important to go back in time and either like stop your own Disney from being built. So tomorrow and 2050 can get built because we know in the future it will be impossible. Yeah, so it's like the last chance. Yeah, for us to have something crazy like this with a bunch of like original characters and not just a bunch of movie rides.

I have a time machine I I know where I'm going I'm going right to Europe in the mid 20th century or you Hitler you're going to kill no no no no way more important. I'm going to go I'm going to find Michael is you're going to kill Michael eyes no no no Michael no I'm going to shake his hands say fine work so far. Yeah, I just have some information that you might want to see.

Yeah, I'll let him keep doing his job because he's doing a bang up job right and then you would I would also like tell him like they're going to come for you in the late 1990s or early 2000s like here's how we get around that. And here's how you reign a CEO until you die. Like I would also there's be other stuff I want to do if I'm going to talk to him in the time machine. Yeah.

And yeah, make sure that he's still running the company now. Oh, man, that's a very good idea. Yeah, yeah, just give him all the answers to the test. And then you know what? You got a time machine let him go back and kill Hitler give him glory. Yeah, right. That's good because imagine how that shores up support for everything he wants to do. You're going to argue with this guy. This is a guy who put in start tours and killed Hitler.

Hello, I'm here in the bunker. I've just strangled Adolf Hitler with his own hand and he strangled it. I killed him. No big deal. Are you wait all Hitler? Goodbye. I'm like, why isn't there a chairman of the Walt Disney company and your killer? I would time to go back to the future. I may reign 120. I know because without you take that piece away and then it keeps and we get the full Disney decade.

But basically, they're still now, you know, they need to do something. There are literally there's literally empty attractions. You know, what was a big plus up in the late 80s now is a somewhat outdated 3D movie. Singing and dancing show starring an accused child, Melissa. Yeah, this needs to go. Probably things need to happen. So they need to do we have to figure out some version of a tomorrow and redo, but it's a kid. I don't think it can be tomorrow in 255.

But let's keep all the people on it because it's the best people on it. It's Tony Baxter. It's Bruce Gordon who was part of Splash Mountain. Yeah. So this is part of what's heartbreaking about it is that there's like the best of the best, but they have been severely handcuffed. They are giving a third of the budget that they wanted, which probably still like trickles that like gets less and less says, do the whole thing.

That is interesting to think about like even before this redo, there was some ghost town elements of tomorrow. Like it's like history rhyming. It's like, well, still a ghost town now, but was also a ghost town before the ostensible redo.

And some of the things that remain the big problem areas today were the problem areas then. I mean, it's like it fixed it, you know, like a ride that they were tired of running or that they might have stopped running entirely became a restaurant, which makes them money. Yeah, but it's not the most exciting thing they could do. Yeah.

The most exciting thing is that the biggest tragedy area in the history of Disneyland, yeah, it's insane. Yeah, it's like these places are cursed. So look, because it's Tony Baxter, I, you have to imagine this is part of it that he was kind of the main voice behind discovery land, which was very successful. We sort of discovery land to fire are existing tomorrow land, which is why we get astro orbiter, but astro orbiter has all these pieces that are too complicated and too heavy to heavy.

Yeah, that tower. So you got to move it to the front of the park and we've complained about this before and nobody likes that. This is a big traffic bottle neck and it's crazy. And then they just took the bones of the old rocket jets and put set up a show that they don't run anymore. Right. This is all crazy. Captain EO is replaced by honey ice runk the audience. That is fine, but it is not new. Right. It's been running at Epcot for a little while. Yeah. So in inventions.

This is not the same inventions for Florida. I might argue worse, right. Right. Seems like it. Yeah. I guess only I went to the three of the three of us. Yeah, I didn't go. So I don't know firsthand. It was pretty inane. There's a big tree in the middle and like little than this kind of unpleasant Nathan Lane voiced robot. It was not a good deal. I didn't think. Yeah. I saw it later in the 2010s when there was like a throwback house of the future.

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There was an hour long wait to try a segue. Again, we're talking 2010s. Occasionally, Osimo would come out very rarely and then there was some testing stations where you could test out Disney Infinity. That was the Xbox game that you could buy little figures for. This was a few rounds of Disney interactive layoffs ago.

It was like, all right, all the characters get together and they meet and they gave up on that idea. All companies eventually did like fighting game where all the characters meet. Nickelodeon does it. Warner Brothers has it. But it's mostly for free on your phone. This wasn't a fighting game. This wasn't like a street fighter. It was like an adventure game. You don't want to like that.

People might have played it. It's too successful of a genre for them. Yeah. Was that still called interventions when it was that house? Yeah, I remember. It doesn't change fully until it's Star Wars launch. Launch Bay. When the launch fence to the launch. About nine. I wanted to go to a star wars launch pay. Yeah. Remember when they kind of like had a corner of a room,

paint it like the cantina bar. I do. Yeah. There was no characters there. There were no characters. There was no drinks seemingly. So that being said, meeting Chui was fun. We did it a few times. Well, good news. I think you can still do it. I think that's probably right. But this entire building and the only thing that's good about it is like a room size of your bedroom where you meet Chubaka.

Yeah, in 30 years, that's all that's been good there is meeting Chubaka. And if you go back to America, things you might say it's all that's been good there in 40 year. How long we talked about it? 50 years. If you have that perspective, mission to Mars, the attraction is replaced by a restaurant.

And the restaurant that it was supposed to be was a Tony Baxter conceived restaurant that it was like a planet Hollywood of all the old tomorrow land vehicles. So you could eat in a people mover car or what else a rocket jet or a monorail car or whatever was going to like pay tribute to the past and reuse all these things.

But in a clever way, everybody wants to like yeah, it would pop into one of those. He pizza and one of those. Yeah, but that got cut and just became just to get some cafeteria. Yeah, yeah, hey, put it in those old ride vehicles because they'll come back later on. They do they do have a way to get all that stuff out of the junkyard.

Yeah, the main thing that happens here is a paint job. We are going to turn to Marland into Discovery Land via paint. So everything gets paint that is supposed to be like bronze called dark browns some emerald green. And this leads to something that I don't recall if we've ever talked about on the show before the brief strange era where space mountain was brown. Yeah, you guys ever see brown space mountain person, not a person.

Not a person. No, it was really strange. I saw I went to Discovery Land. I like the colors of Discovery Land. It's pretty the stounding and they've kept it up. This looks like I don't it's just it's a very shit brown, right? Yeah, it's not a it's not gleaming. It's not gold. It's shit. It looks like it literally rusted over or like it just looks like something's wrong, I guess that's really what it is. It looks like space mountain is sick.

Space mountain is sick or it's like it's a reverse ET. ET gets very white right. Right. When space mountain is dying, it gets unwite. Well, sick ET space mountain is I never thought about it like that. Yeah, it's just it looks like the park is decayed or something. It's post apocalyptic. Post apocalypse. Yeah, yeah, you've found Disneyland 200 years after anyone's bus colored. Yeah, it's odd. It's real is so weird.

It also I swear had an effect of making it look smaller like the map. It looks worse. I really I just like even going by splash mountain. What's seeing it now being changed to Tiana's I'm just like so amazed at how much it fooled me how big I thought it was. Just taking some of the pieces away from it make me go, oh wait, I in my mind, it's like huge and it's way back. And if you look at how it is now, you're like, oh, it's much closer than I think it is.

It's much smaller just because it takes away someone like the whatever laughing place stuff in the whatever. What do you call them? Brighters, I guess that's right. Yeah, so like all that stuff. So like I would imagine that even changing colors on things sometimes you go you would now be oh wait, it's not as big as I thought it was. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I guess the other like top of that that log did a lot of heavy lifting at the top of it's really of like it added an extra 10 or so. Yeah, it really did. Yeah, yeah, seeing seeing this a different color would be interesting. Yeah, it was it was all really weird being a like what just like this case of this was the plan. This the plan was some different paint and then a lot of attractions from other places. Yeah.

Yeah, and if you just viewed all of this and they're calling it new tomorrow land. We don't have a lot here that's genuinely new and that's why the heat was really on the only genuine new attraction the brand new ticket they were calling it rocket rods the new high speed and and it's like in this tomorrow and tradition of inventing types of technology showing us what the future will hold why in the future will all be driving around in rocket

like these little wait to see it actually is sort of like now that some cyber trucks are around it is like as dumb and clunky as a cyber truck yeah some yeah, that's true might rather drive a drive a rocket rod around that actually let me bring up that because that's something okay that that tiny backstress where you're going to eat in the vehicles the bar Disney is very high for how cool a new vehicle looks in a futuristic vehicle looks the rocket rod itself oh yeah

is really it's just so like functional like kind of an ATV or something that looks good really ugly yeah like if I'm being nice it's somewhere in the world of like if I'm squinting or not that far from like the journey to the center of the earth ride vehicles so that's now I'm being I'm

stretching to even get it there but if you if you see it from a distance because those that's sort of a similar kind of this odd long right you know past but future vehicle but like would you want to would you want a toy of rocket rods would you want to

be a car of the catch factor or the yeah yeah but no it does it's not like a particularly cool vehicle if you're judging it against like the Ninja Turtle vehicles this is not even in the top five or 10 as you judge everything as you're right people in your life against right this is not as good as the toilet taxi also there's my dad but is he as cool as the toilet there's so much contradictory stuff with tomorrow in 98 in rocket routes especially because it's like it's new it's like people

mover before us it's a potential future transit and each vehicle holds as many people as a Toyota Corolla like yes and take and take and is like a third as long a third as long and it's heavy like it is heavy and it is destroying the road it's on yeah yeah really grind it up yes and the start stop don't worry it's just showing the engine inside of it yeah it really got it really is just a like a self-immolating ride vehicle yeah but at least it's whisper quiet actually no

the opposite of whisper quiet that was the big thing when these were running if you were on it or if you were just in the park because like no attraction is more was more present than the people mover it's silently going by while you're in the line for star tours are in a shop or something yeah now rocket rods are up and running and it's just it's somewhere between fireworks and a leaf blower yeah these were very industrial so annoying unpleasant sounds

while watching a few like three or four different ride feet ride through videos I wrote down the note of like these sounds are a caustic like it this is I don't like I don't like hearing that's and I can't tell because there is some sound effects along the way where I'm like oh that's pumped in and then I'm like how is some of these sounds I think are the requirement like that this is the sound it makes to move if yeah if

you were on it there would be fake motor sounds and yeah I'm a beep beep beep but if you yeah you know that they were real sounds because you would hear it so loud if you weren't on it so now you're in tomorrow and you're just walking out so what do we do next I don't know me we head over to a dump open just like so jar and which and the fact that we can't like shake the tracks is so you're like you're in a war zone now tomorrow

and this is this is this is a future in which a war is going on and like I assume these things are armed I assume there's cannons in the front of the rock but they don't work yeah look at the work insisted for the opponent they don't yeah is there anything what's the most annoying like sound

a ride makes when you're not on like is a topia the answer to this like when you're like I'm walking you're like it's like kind of unpleasant is there something that beats that maybe depending on where you are when you're like on the universal tram or waiting for the universal

trache is be given that it is like a you know actual heavy duty motor yeah maybe you know like a poorly kept up you know like drop tower ride yeah that they do that like his and then the launch and then the yeah is it don't really make a sound when you're bouncing down the magic

mountain superman ride sounds horrible oh yeah yeah well magic mountain general yeah that's a different category that's a they aren't concerned with noise pollution you'll get all sorts of interesting noises magic mountain yeah yeah yeah yeah there's a while it's a magic

mountain just a chorus of irritating hydraulics and then people going like fuck you screaming at his life size Tweety bird you birds are big he won the Tweety bird and now he's spent all day cursing at it I'm going to pretend this is my mom I'm going to do this what I wish I could do to my mom well magic well we could do a whole final four magic mountain unpleasant ride noises yeah yeah the worst yeah yeah the worst real sounds it I actually did hear you yeah this is this is going

to lead me to it to a final four thing I'm going to play here now that all the pieces are in place right and we've said what they have and this this kind of shows you why they need a new attraction thrilling attraction and why they could so the Disney could do kind of a like aiming at 11

year olds almost six flags S.C. commercial right this is how they presented new tomorrow lands back an idea if you think the cold fishing is cool you can see the rest of the place if it that was probably pretty indesernable to a listener yeah the here's a whole other thing

this okay tomorrow we got a new tomorrow land what do we want to feature first well we have a coke machine that shoots coke out from that launches in the air and then a cast member grabs it right you guys know this was there no launching coaks I think they might still have this

the work to me I saw a recent like like YouTube short showing one of the really I think you can launch your soda if you want to get your soda real shaken up you want to drop nine dollars on your soda and then lose half of it to the bubbles how would that not have happened

by now we got a so to launch that us or in the air I mean like that I feel like we've I've had a soda and tomorrow in a few times you have you ever had a little soda launch to you I don't think well it's not at you it's up in the air for the cast member to catch right you watch a

so to show this is one of the genuinely actually looking back now this might have been their biggest attraction in this air most successful one yeah yeah it's way fit remains listener have you seen the soda launch where can we find the soda yeah next time

so it's a rocket the coke is a rocket yeah yeah so they do have rocket coaks you got to have them that here's what else they have they're going for extreme is a little bit of fish yeah yeah yeah Deon, the Iraqi Rads, which shows you how much they're pushing it. And like a honey I shrink the audience is kind of secondary to that. And here's what I wanted to bring up. I had an idea and I was like, let me just workshop this on the show. Yeah, see if you like it. We didn't do a final four this year.

We were doing the saga or taking a break from the saga. I had an idea for one. And maybe this is obscure. Maybe there's a mini one on the second gate or something. But here's my idea. The frequent footage final four. This would be is a competition. We all watch a lot of Disney specials and parades and any other material. This would be the ultimate showdown of the footage that they show you all the time. We're talking wall pointing at the big map. Oh, right.

We're talking wall given opening day speech. Well, a wall we're talking wall stepping on the train tracks and like pointing out where they're going to be. We're talking Mickey on top of spaceship earth. Right. And making it look like the big lion is coming out of the screen in the audience. Yeah. Fuzzy with the big pie. I don't know if anything comes to mind for you guys in terms of frequent footage. Oh, when we like to know what is the best free footage.

Family re there must be a reused family reacting of mom dad and 2.5 kids going like, probably being startled by something pretty low key. Yeah, I think if we thought about I feel like there's also things where like in the foreground there's like a fire eater and then it like zooms past the fire eater into whatever fun. Yeah. Or like Indiana Jones with the map and then he closes the map and then heads into the temple. Oh, I got a good one. Tower of terror guests.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a great. Terrifying a generation of neurotic children. Yes, yeah. And then like the arrow pointing to the floor is going haywire. Yeah. And the footage of like just the hydraulics, like just the mechanics of it and dropping way faster than the ride. That's really good. I feel like if we put our minds to it. Well, let me, I'm just throwing this to the list. I'm not married to this idea, but I figured I'd workshop it here.

If you want to hear the frequent footage final four or submit ideas for the frequent footage final four. Because I think we have to know how far would Walt on the train with the stuffed Mickey waving it with his hand like peering out Ronald Reagan. Yeah. But like there's a lot of, you know, that's why I'm like, maybe this is second gate because this is really like this is for this is this is like a fellow traveler's kind of idea. We all know.

Yeah. If you're listening and you know what I'm talking about, then you're as first as we are. Footage of the parade with the big inflatable, the big inflatable like when it was the Marty Grau. Yeah, the Marty Grau kind of feed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure if we put our minds to it, there's a lot. It's going to be very 90s tape heavy. Yeah, yeah. For sure. This is when the media explode. This is when it went from like we've made three Disney World specials through all of the 1970s. Right.

We produce 300 hours every year. Yeah. Yeah, some of it's parades on TV, some of its specials, some of its vacation planning VHS. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if this is frequent enough, but this footage that I really like from downtown Disney where there's a guy plan. There's like a guy alone playing a saxophone on cobblestones and there's a Mickey spotlight that he's standing under. I don't know. I know. I guess I, that's familiar. I think I can, I imagine pleasure island footage.

It's got specifically a bunch of fireworks going off like helicopter shot. There's probably like two parents dancing that they use. Yeah, that's what I'm imagining. Yeah. Dutch angles of the neon saw of the like each sign of each club.

Definitely. Yeah. I think we'd get there and listeners I really would if there's, if you've got one in your head and you know what you've seen, there might even just be like the one shot of Rex like waving from like there's a lot of footage or the same audience all like swaying when you go into the death star. I think it's definitely an area. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Some implement both in the two like someone who all nervous in the tube and then outside of it with the water shoot.

Yeah. Like you see the water spray. Similarly splash mountain, but the camera does a thing where and dress up at the right where it makes it look like there goes the thing and then it looks like it goes upside down. Like the camera of the POV goes all the way the other way. Also scaring neurotic children. So well, there we go. Let us know. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. Have a new anyways and to bring up somebody who might factor into frequent footage final four.

I was somewhat upset to discover the answer of who in the world wanted a faster people mover and I will now read this quote as a type A person. I wanted something faster than the people mover quotes. I was an idolizing or CEO and chairman of the Walt Disney company. So this is one of those misguided. This is why we need the time machine. I guess it does drive to him because he we know this. We know that he was as CEOs are. He's a Steve Jobs type. I have a big idea.

I'm going to drop this into the room and then leave and then assume in three months that you figured out the very difficult to pull off idea. I would say he was a more for good version of that than a lot of CEOs are and better ideas specifically within it than other CEOs. That said, this was not one of them. Although, is it well hanging out? Well, that's what I think you're going to make the same point. Maybe it doesn't have to be done this way.

It's the thought exercise because when you hear it a fast using those tracks for now a high speed ride is not the craziest thing in the world. That kind of sounds good, right? Yeah, I just track why. It didn't have to be. They could have added to track. There's other versions of it. You potentially could have made work in a better way than just dumping a fast thing on the existing track. Yes. I know that's kind of what he was thinking, but I'm giving him some credit.

Yeah. Well, that's what happens and maybe it's worth going into the history here a little bit. The notion was not slow moving a little tour on the people mover, something fast and thrilling for the teens. So they start planning something. It's not like maybe you've found some of this Jason. This all was information from the season pass podcast when they talked to Tony Baxter, but I don't know that I really heard this. The original pitch was something called fast track.

Fast track was the notion here and this was happening concurrently with test track and this was to be sponsored by general motors, the very same sponsor. So with a sponsor, you've got money. They're already in it on this other thing. The long working relationship, thanks to World of Motion. And this is where it gets frustrating is hearing Tony's description of what this could have been designed to be three times the budget they ended up getting. Rocket Rods was a wireframe vehicle at night.

They were all to glow and one of them did. We had one on the track and it looked so great. It looked like a dimensional wireframe design come to life. Tronish, I'm assuming. I bet Tronish and kind of predating that second version of test track. And it was going to communicate something. The idea that at least at night that you would understand that you're looking at a blueprint that came to life moving around because as it ended up happening was it's just these big weird clonkers.

They don't seem like anything. But like, okay, that's something. I see what this could have been. Also, would you believe it was all this stuff? Guests would visit a design center where they would customize their vehicles and the attraction would capture a photo of them writing and their design was going to affect the colors now would all all of that stuff, all the stuff the test track ended up doing in the second round.

Right. And it seems, maybe I remember it was it's supposed to be affecting the lights and the colors on the actual vehicles because test track does that or did this and it was unspectacular because you would just get like kind of a mocked up photo of it at the end. Yeah. Would this actually affect the exterior of the vehicle because that's actually a really cool idea. If you like, I want a purple vehicle and it's got orange stripes on it and then you would see that from the from like down.

I don't I don't know. And if you have somebody if your mom didn't go on it, she could see what your vehicle looked like. She could take a photo that would not turn out well at all because it's night. Right. Of course. And with a lot of difference in light, but you would see all the vehicles would be at the very least you would see all the vehicles be different and unique that everyone and now we're in. We're back in a bit of a mover territory where the colors are different.

Yeah. Or atopia or here comes a red one here comes a orange one. Cool idea if that wasn't what they were planning. Maybe I don't know. I don't have the there's not enough. I can't indicate that. I heard some of you, but I mean, you could talk to him again. But I mean, that's yeah, that sounds really great. And now it's like, yeah, every to a guest shows it now. Or in the realm of Indiana Jones where you like the experiences customized in a little bit different every time.

That's something that's pretty good. But here's what happened across the country test track. We've talked about test track. Test track was a big mess, right? Like a testing went very badly. They delayed it a bunch of times. And apparently general motors was so worn down by this process that they're like, you're on your own with that other one. We're not doing it on the list again. So finish up test track and then that is the end of this.

So they pull out now there is not money to make the vehicles glow. Well, that's okay, right? Because we'll still be able to make a cool high speed attraction. Yeah, well, about that. And then here is the real killer that they can't bank the turns on this. They have to use the literal same track. This is a high speed roller coaster type ride with no banked turns. And it kind of serves as a living illustration of why curves need to be banked. Yeah. Can we define banking?

Because I kept seeing this and I couldn't quite picture what it meant in my head. Well, like like turning the track. Yeah, I think it's angling it. Angling it. Yeah, so because at least in this section, this was very helpful that Tony illustrated this in credit to season pass again. He says we all knew the track needed to be banked in order to keep the speed up. Once you made the reduction to go with the level of the people mover track. So that never banks at any point.

Yeah. It had to slow down to take each curve. That was to keep you from flying out. Now, that's a very interesting little physics lesson. That's what if you just went, if you just if the rocker rods didn't slow down, like the gravity would want to take the people just like out into the right. I guess. Yeah. It's really weird. That's interesting. Okay. Yeah. So banked turns are to it's in order to keep the speed going.

So you can you can do just a straightaway fast, but then at some point you have to turn. So that's the idea. So they would have had to like maybe they could have kept some of the infrastructure, at least the turns they had to and now if you start thinking about that track, it's all turns. It turns constantly. Yeah, constantly. Yes. It goes around space, it goes around the round building space mountain. It goes around the round building the carousel theater. Yeah. Nothing but turns.

This thing is all turns and it had to be slow. The new high speed ride has to be slow way more often than it's fast. That's why I like I. I would have been like I guess you could just do put the new vehicle on the track and then just do the test track thing like build another section of it that's new track to go fast at the end. Oh, sure. Yeah. Oh, you do it like test track. Yeah. Right. I go that. At least you still get the people mover experience.

You don't have to put in a new track in that part. That's true. Yeah. But then you can find I don't know where it would go. Exactly. You could still even keep it like a little tour as you go. You can actually enjoy seeing the star speeder in that room. You can still do the projection tunnel. And then at the end you just get a big like because that's all anybody. I mean, this is going to be blasphemous, but that's all anyone cares about on test track. Let's be honest.

People don't like a demonstration of precision tires. Some people like it. I know it would be mad at me, but not already. Not right here. It's not right here. Springs. That's a slow tour through. That's got a bunch of fun stuff. And then you go fast at the end. And they could rebuild the last chunk. They could have rebuilt the last chunk of it, Mike, to do what you're saying. I mean, they rebuilt the monorail track. God knows how many times. I don't know where it would go.

I'd have to look at it. I don't either. Maybe this will be part of my pitch. Have they? I don't know that they have rebuilt them. At least the layout has remained the same. The monorail track. I think they have tried to not move the monorail as often as possible. I think actually, and I could be wrong about this, but in my head, the route that it takes through California adventure and then back to where it lands. It's exactly the same. It used to be the hotel.

I think they've kept it roughly the same because they want to not move. That's major heavy duty. Right. Pylons. Yeah, that's tough to... And it's never... It hasn't shortened, right, around utopians. That big, too long, it takes a long... It really like a helicopter landing or something. I think they've probably removed parts of it, but then reinstalled it where it was, I think. But I might be right.

I think because I think that Park and Downtown Disney Changes have all sort of happened around the... They've tried to not blow up the monorail. Right. Because that's a big expense. But it is interesting then, that idea, if they couldn't have tried not to... I guess they did try to not change the people mover. Yeah, that's right. And it's... They had to do. I don't think it changed at all. Yeah. It's a problem and it's still a problem. It's still there.

And I always thought like, you know, you always hear, oh, they can't just reopen. People move. You can't reopen. People mover. That was because of usher regulations, because there are parts in that first section where you can just kind of touch the walls. And if they had left the people mover, it would have been grandfathered. And I realized Rocket Rods did so much wear and tear on this track. Yeah. It really wore down and... Just avoided. Yeah. Yes. Because when you have the...

And this is where it all... It just all emanates from that initial decision of let's try to do all this on the cheap all of tomorrow and in this attraction, especially not... Like, you know how we save money? We don't bank the turns. That's what we do. Well, it ends up costing the money in the long run. In the long, long run. Because now it's a ride that has to slow down and then speed up again constantly in kind of an erratic way. So there's parts of a track that we're not expecting to have.

Like a... All right. Now, like really heavy cars are going to like... And like maybe stall a little bit in this area. So thus like, plaster starts falling down on... I think there were situations like this where like pieces of that track were falling down on or near this. Yeah. And it's not... It is like... It is old building... Old infrastructure now is having like an earthquake every five minutes that it is not been prepared for. It's not been built for essentially.

No reinforcements whatsoever. Right. Like, I don't know if this thing is going to make it through an earthquake. You're worried about that? Not only that, we're going to do our own earthquakes here all day, every day. Yeah. Every few minutes. Not even every few hours, every few minutes. It's not center earthquakes and it will be as loud and annoying as earthquakes are. This is...

Again, this is contradictions because it's like every now and then like when you said the CEO comes in, drops a big idea and you figure it out. But sometimes it ends up with something interesting. Sure. Or like working within restrictions ends up with something interesting. But there's so many confusing parts of this of like, oh, Euro Disney, you know, it ate up all our money. So it severely restricted the budget for this.

Well, okay, we're going to do this tomorrow and like the one at Euro Disney. Well, wait, wasn't it... That's a con... You just said it lost a bunch of... Well, this was an aesthetic victory though. But you mostly are going to have the money for paint. Yeah. The money's got to go to... What are we going to... What are we supposed to do? Not paint, space, mountain, brown. The audience has been loud and clear on this. They want space, mountain, brown. Yeah. They don't care if the ride...

They'll be fine with a ride that slows down all the time. Where if you watch that ad that I played earlier, that's something I didn't say about is that like, you know, rev up on the all new raga rides and then it like... You watch that initial launch, which is exciting. And it's funny, when do they cut? When do they cut away from the excited teens? Maybe exactly where the curve end and that's true in all of it.

If you watch like press footage, they did like a CD-ROM press kit and all of the footage ends precisely at the point where it does the very first curve. That's indicating that this is not a truly... Ryan Reynolds here from IntMobile. With the price of just about everything going up during inflation, we thought we'd bring our prices down. So to help us, we brought in a reverse auctioneer, which is apparently a thing. Mint Mobile unlimited premium wireless.

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It's like, oh, is this supposed to be doing that? Is it wheelie or is it problem? Is it unbuckling at the top? Is it starting to come loose? Is it going to slip over all the way? No, initially it did wheelies because that's what... Maybe we need to pick a part of the premise. What does a rocket... What does this phrase mean? Is there kind of, once it's up and around, it's like a race car of the future. And Mario and Dready's going to ride in it when we open it. So it's a race car.

And that's why it does a wheelie. So in the future, you will be in future race cars that will get you... But then what's a rod? How much did that cost? How much did it cost to get? A rod is what they're going for. Yeah, I guess. A rock and rod. A rock and rod. A rock and rod. But how is this a viable public transportation solution? How are we all going to be? It takes a lot of... And it doesn't ride in a super fast race car. This can't be how we get down to Civic Center.

Yeah, no. It doesn't even look cool. Even if it was unrealistic, as we said earlier, it's both not practical and uncool. And too loud. And too loud. It should be, if it's a rocket rod, it should look like the neutrinos and Ninja Turtles car, which is like a flying hot rod car. I don't know if you guys remember this. They had a toy, too. The villains actually, it was a villain's toy, but it was like an old car and then the wheels would fold up into it and fly.

That's like a cool space hot rod or something that you would want to go on this. It doesn't look like a rocket rod because I think you would know if it was like an old time car that could fly, you would know exactly what a rocket rod is and what it was supposed to be. So, wait a minute, I'm remembering something. There is another history and maybe this is probably some other episode. Well, maybe like unbuilt tomorrow ends is kind of the idea here.

But I believe in Tokyo, there was something that is much closer to what you're described. Well, there's still like kind of a 50s thing to it. 50s but future. I think, and maybe this was rocket bikes, I don't know. I think Tokyo had something that's pretty close to what you're saying. Interesting. It's fun now where, well, you know where we are, we're in the Dexter Jetster area. I didn't see it. I didn't see it, but I thought it. Yeah, yeah. My man, am I right?

I'll try to figure out a rocket bikes, Tokyo, but that's the name. That's like the name is bad name because it doesn't, it's not showing you what the name is. You're right. I thought Rod is like, you have to represent 60s. Right. You represent whatever the song shut down by the Beach Boys was about. But there's no 60s to it. Yeah. It's just a big clunky thing.

Where you really see that engine by the way, it's just like, you really, that's a very present, which is a mega mix, so it's so industrial, but like, yeah, you're, and other things, you're like, where are they? They hide the mechanism on this thing. You see it, you really see it in the mirror. Oh, it's right there. It looks like a go-kart engine. It explodes on the ground. Sometimes you see the service vehicle on the Montereyle track at Disneyland.

Yes. Which looks like almost like the hobo car on a train track to some degree, but this looks like a service vehicle more than it does an actual ride vehicle to me. It's like a thing that would push a train that's broken. Yeah. Right. Send a rocket right out to fix a people mover. Yeah. That's just a way, it doesn't, it doesn't convey fun to me. It looks like some sort of completely functional vehicle, like just perfunctory vehicle. It's really. It just like sends a maintenance worker out.

I was correct that there was, that tomorrow, and was going to become, or at least part of it was going to become sci-fi city, and there were going to be, and it looks like flying kind of hot rod things. Interesting, too. This is good. I mean, maybe, you know, maybe that's the other episode. It's on builtum, but that might group enough, but together.

But as for the one that was built and built on a budget, something we haven't talked about is the queue, and I have very strong memories of the queue because did I say that I did this? Yeah. And, another thing that hasn't been said is that as far as those blank areas, the non-locks in Tomorrowland, Circle Vision Theater was one of them, and Circle Vision became the line for this. It became the queue for rocket rods. So, a former attraction is now a line.

I would think, like, when I started looking up videos and, like, post since I was like, man, what was the queue for that? I've never quite understood it because I know you entered a Buzz Lightyear, but where did you get, and the answer was, enter where Buzz Lightyear is, end up in a Circle Vision, and then go through a tunnel to then go upstairs? That is correct, yeah. So, the door that you still would use for Buzz Lightyear, that was like, the same thing, that was the pre-show of Circle Vision.

Circle Vision became, after this, it became the bulk of the Buzz Lightyear ride, and then yeah, then you would have to, like, go through a very dark and claustrophobic tunnel that would get you down to the bottom of that tower to get you to the loading area. So, instead of, because you used to have, remember, it's still that way in Disney World, that it's this little speed ramp. You go up a nice little ramp, and now instead you got to go under it.

Now I'm under the earth, and I remember being in there, and like, that's what they figured out. This is so weird. And by the time that you're at that point, the narrowest area with the least entertainment, you have probably been in this room for at least an hour. This was a punishing line. This was crazy. Maybe 90, maybe two hours. There is a great video online, and I started watching it, and I was like, what did Cam is this?

And then I started laughing, because the answer was a long time theme park designer, David Cobb, had he, he has a YouTube is Conling like an archive, because he just digitizes like his videos and stuff. He could just put up like 30, 40 minutes of going around the islands of adventure construction areas. And he was working on men of black, alien attack. As I recall, you rented out a theater to, to screw that. Yeah, well, no, there's the, it's, the center of the dome is empty right now.

You know, um, there's some real cinema here. But, Cobb's old movies. He, he records the queue. He's with someone, and they're in the circle vision, and I believe it's person he's with goes, we've been in line for about two hours now. We've seen the circle vision movie about three times. Uh, uh, cause it is such a weird looking room. They were only using all of the screens occasionally. And the, the main queue part is so, it looks so cheap. It's so dark.

Yeah. And they're playing old Disney like Walt stuff or old tomorrow and footage. That's fine. But then there's old ride vehicles. They've painted wire frames over. It's just, well, that's, yeah, that's where that idea came in. And also Tony Baxter's notion of could we use the old vehicles in some way? Um, so, you know, you have a couple things. You have like, here's literal blueprints. It's showing, you're almost supposed to be in the imaginary lab where they're dreaming of new futuristic.

So you've got like, here's blueprints for a space mountain slid. That's what they're called. Never knew that. Uh, the noddle of summary in the Marksbury, Monterey and then a rocket rod. Then you've got actual big vehicles like a Monterey or a rocket jet or a submarine, but they're all there. Now they are painted like living blueprints. So mostly blue and then with like orange electrical tape. And by Tony's own admission, this thing was so bootstrapped that it was like him doing it.

Yeah. And the other guys were like, we got to turn this into something. We can't just like open this up in its empty room. Let's, all right, everybody put some tape on this thing. So it's like, it's Tony hand making. Yeah, yeah. Um, it's so sad that it came to that, but he tried. He tried for a really good, it is an interesting experiment. There is also at some point, there is like a board that says future expansions, like future stations.

And it has both angel stadium and the hockey arena listed as a future station. So really confused this piece. This I like a lot actually. I mean, I'd buy it by like a poster of this that shows you all the places where the rocket rods might go. You know, right now they just, you're in the central terminal, but it might go to an invention someday. Oh, good.

Um, it might go to what's that might might maybe, maybe, maybe, uh, it might go to Disney's California adventure before it opened this I kind of like that it's like a nod. Yeah. And there's little symbols representing these things and California venture is represented by an orange. That was that was the orange was the symbol of the park. Um, and I like the big orange. We haven't done a episode about the big orange. We know you like the big he's, he's talking about the orange.

There was some point, she was there instead. There was some point, uh, in like 2015, 2016 or so, where I was like, should I go back to the big orange? And I was like, Oh, it's going. You thought for a second, I thought the orange was there. And I'm like, well, silly symphony swings is a better experience, but I'm like kind of like the big orange.

Is that where you sometimes when you like you had a like a dream where you were in high school again, you wake up and you go, Oh, my test is, Oh, I'm not in high school anymore. I got the big orange. Yeah, but it was a waking dream. Oh, okay. I was like, did they take away the big orange? I see. Did they take away the Malibur? Oh, they did. Yeah. Oh, okay. And then it's single tier roll down your cheek single. Yeah. A poor one out for the Malibur.

Some of it will be like Jason, you're going to a better place. It's a place that still has the big orange. You'll see as many big oranges as you'd ever want. Uh, yeah. Anyway. Yeah, but the queue, the wireframe, like you could kind of see that it's like, well, they were trying something. They tried to make this something. It even like a, you could tell it's like, what is it now? All right, it's like a, we're experimenting with a mass transit. You come, is that anything? Maybe that's something.

It'll take you to the beach. You'll go to the beach on a rocker rod. Well, beautiful Los Angeles. Where you take a, you ruin everyone's time. That the, when a rocker rod pulls up, view, view, view, view, view, view, kicks up a bunch of sand. I'm gasoline on your shoes. So now, scares a bunch of seagulls. They all shitting fear onto families. If it doesn't bank, it shoots a lot of the humans out of the vehicle. It throws them from the vehicle.

What a wonderful experience Los Angeles by getting tossed onto its curves. There is. Okay, it's not the exact, we were talking about the repeated footage, but there is a lot of the genre of people just off the ride going, oh, it's great. You go so fast. Oh, I loved it. Yeah, that is a certain type. That would be its own final for it. It's just people going like, this was a trip. Oh, I had such a good time. That's reactions. Yeah, or just saying the name. Rocker rod. Rocker rod.

You don't have anything to say. Can you just yell rocker rods? In all 10 of you teens, when you're done clanging around, just yell rocker rods and we'll just keep rolling and do whatever after that. We'll never be done clanging around, bitch. Okay. All right. Well, you're a shoot ticket for free coat. You can go on your way. I'm so sorry. Hey, give me five more. Okay. You're six. You didn't do what I told you. You're going to die. So yeah, it is really weird. We got some stuff.

They're using old, they showed some of the time keeper movie in the circle vision. They're keeping you entertained. We gave you 20 minutes of footage that we'll do seven times. And then you go through a very dark tunnel. I don't remember the handicap access situation here. This is a weird, and if you were claustrophobic, this is just, this was a lot of problems. A lot of problems. It seemed like people were just kind of ambling about or sitting on the floor.

That circle vision, like it seemed like, yeah, probably. It seemed like in movies, you know, it seemed like in a Jurassic World or American Godzilla where everyone's just kind of shaking off, which has happened. And like the National Guard is trying to outstrew people, but like everyone's in the solar blankets. Yeah, everyone's got solar blankets on central casting. Member, it's like they have the bandaid on their head. They're trying to make a meal of, oh, we have somebody do balloon animals.

Can we cheer up people in here? Yeah, yeah, that's the vibe. No, people need therapy after making it through this line. But here's, yeah, the buildup was like insane. You're just like, boy, is this going to be? And then it's a little hard to talk about this right experience. We've alluded to it. But yeah, you know, if you're there in the first two months, you get a fun, fast launch with a confusing weely. And then you slow down right away and you go into start-tours.

And then it is just like speed, not speed, speed, not speed. But then you get into, like, you know, imagine now you're in like, atopia, the area where you're a little more free. And here's what I remember is that like, all right, we're not, we're not curving as much here. Yeah. We're getting some straight away like, yeah, that area and it's open and you're not just in weird, you watch those ride-throughs and you're really like, this is just, this is like an industrial hallway.

This is like, see cracks in the, and then you're like, well, wouldn't have been in cool, if they had like kept that trontunnel and then you're going super speed through the tront no, no, took that out, that's gone, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, or that. In fact, sometimes you can just look into an active construction site.

Yeah. Because this opened before, well, I was going to say all of it eventually, like, there's footage of people going through what will become it-aventions, but it wasn't ready yet. Oh, so it's just work lights, have fun.

And there was something, did you catch the, you might, you saw it in person, the mirror at early on, there's a moment where when it would look into one of the buildings where they just put in a giant mirror so it looked like you were about to hit another, that trick where it looks like another car is coming at you, but then you start to slow down. So the effect doesn't really work, you know? Oh, yeah.

How did, imagine the morale, imagine being Tony and you know this has come to pass and like, yeah, we lost that one and we know and they knew, they knew this was not going to be, there's people like there's bean counters gone, it's going to be fine, it's going to be fine. Actually, it's a little bit different. It's kind of predictable that a roller coaster would just go faster and faster, the longer you were on it. This, this is a crazy, you know, this is a loose canter of a ride.

You know what's going to happen? I almost think it would have been cheaper to redo this tomorrow land with a scaled down tomorrow land 94 theme. Sure. Yeah. It's for pizza and stuff, for pizza and elements. Yeah, sure. I, the people mover technically is different in Florida. So they wouldn't have been able to, able to clone that. Like they wouldn't have been able to just change their ride vehicles. Mm-hmm. Just keep the old ones then.

Just keep the old because if they had left tomorrow land alone, that white mid-century aesthetic would have come into fashion again. And they would have been able to milk the nostalgia bucks. Mm-hmm. It still looked a little, it wouldn't look, it would look old though. The way that it looked, it was very, it was extremely, very 80s and I'm fond of it and they've kept the elements that still work, like the neon makies. Right, right, right. It was kind of a hodgepodge.

But then they just put in a new hodgepodge, so as that rocket. Yeah, I'm not saying it's good. I'm just saying the aesthetic, even if you look at the old photos, I'm like it would, it's still, the aesthetic has come back around. It just looks old, it would look old now. I'm not saying it's better or worse. I'm just saying, I don't know if they could have done nothing and it would still have, I mean I guess it may be, what are you right, it would have been better, but it would still feel old.

It would still feel tired. They've tried to change tomorrow land in Florida where it's like, oh, let's replace that busy sign with a more minimalist sign. Yeah. Let's take out some of the neon green and purple and some of the fins and I'm like, I think it looks chinsier. Like, why did you take that all out? Yeah, yeah. They really can't, I mean what they're, what they're even for now is neither here nor there.

They just, yeah, they need to like really pick and do aesthetic to all this and stick to it. Yeah. Here's, let me get to this though, is that at the end, you know, there's, there's kind of like a pure tunnel that's, you know, like the, the matter horn is on the right of you and you're kind of up above the queue of the rocket rods.

And at this point, you actually do pick up some speed, you are going pretty straight, you get hit with a strobe light and a blast of air and that's one of the last things that happens. And I don't know, I was 13, I was not a thrilled junkie and I'm still not now, but around that point, I was like, it's actually kind of all right. You know what? That little part, you know, I didn't expect the hit of air.

Yeah. I didn't expect the, and then you get one more little straight away before you finish it out. It, like it actually, I think it closed with its best stuff, which still sounds very chancy. I'm still, yeah. I'm describing like haunted house stuff. Right. But it was at least, it was like a little bit of a jump at the end. My, I've alluded to this like, this might be an insane opinion. I mean, I, here's, I'll at least land at this. I liked it enough to not call it the worst ride they ever did.

It was built in your memory. Yeah, yeah. And I don't know. I can't, I'm not fully qualified to say. I didn't go on super star limo. I, I don't know. I, I got enough of a little charge out of it that even with all of this, I was kind of, I, at the time, I was kind of like, record, it was a bit. Yeah. Well, I can't, because I didn't go on. It's all never fully know.

But it's a lot of the stuff surrounding the building of this and the failure of tomorrow land at this time does get attached to the rocket rods as well. Yeah. Well, it's like, it's the nerve center of the entire thing. A nerve center shut down. And the fact that the track is just sitting there makes it worse and like, when you look back on it now, if that had been just like track ripped out or they just replaced it with something, maybe we'll be, oh, yeah, rock rods.

Rock rods now has such a connotation to the epic failure of Disney land. And obviously like there were more unpleasant rides, the flying saucers famously didn't work. The stuff that I'm sure was less fun to actually go on than rocket rods, who might have been a bit frustrating because of the bank and the slowdowns. Yeah. But of course going fast around tomorrow and to some degree would be fun. Yeah. There's at least some fast. Yeah. Some fast happen. I mean, to me, no question, no question.

Rock rods better than current journey into imagination. Oh, interesting. I'm declaring that for my personal taste. Well, that's another thing though, because what it came before was so much better. It's hard not to compare it and really hate the new version. Yeah. Or dislike a lot of the things in the new version. I think though that even if I didn't know the original, it's maybe even more so. Like, okay, what is this? I know nothing. It's called journey into imagination.

Yeah. Build drag and looks like a skunk and then has a buzzer. I'll say this. I've never been on rocket rods, but it's better than mission space. People are going to be mad about that. But that's not really what I really don't like mission space. You're not, my opinion wouldn't be far from you, but I would, I would not just mission space up because like better place making. But videos, very sending his pipe issues with Gary Sinice and grappling over the daddy award.

I still, there's enough like production. That's all, you're all, you're right about that, all that. But I find the actual ride so unpleasant. Yeah. That, I would, I bet I would say I would rather go on rocket rods than mission space. Yeah. Well, you're right. The building is cool and all that stuff for surrounding it is cool. Hmm. But the actual ride itself, I'm sure it was way more fun. It's your choice mission space, you think of worse, at least Disney. I think so. I think so.

I just, I especially doing the hard, the one that's tougher on your brain. I just like left it like disoriented and like cluster full-bick and. Yeah. I think I might still go, and this time there's something I'm forgetting. I might go current journey. Jason, you got to thought. I don't know. Yeah. I'm trying to think on this. Mission space is a good one. Rocket rods is just so much. I keep thinking about how they took out a people leader. The people mover like people mover was a people leader.

Yes, it was people leader and it just never had too long of a weight. Florida has a little bit of a long weight occasionally nowadays. But it feels like people mover never had too long of a weight. And it also added a huge line attraction. Like that in a huge weight. Yeah. That's all true. The fact you do not want operationally. Yeah. Let's talk about like a fun experience. The experience.

What I'm saying is I'm shocked as much as I wanted to like get into the confusing and irritating history of this thing. And the line was horrible. The line was awful to be in. Yeah. I came out of it still a little bit like notching this right up higher than I thought that I would. So I'm like in terms of things you've been on. Just like the experience itself, forget any context. Do you have a knee jerk of like a band? It would be I hate being on this.

It would be cool to race around the railroad track at Disneyland. It would be cool. It would be cool especially. Yes. Yeah. If they were like, oh yeah, by the way, now you go like 50 miles an hour around the train tracks at Disneyland. I go, I'm interested in doing that. Yeah. So I can see, yeah, there would be fun elements of this. Yeah. It's a bullet train now. Still used to track bullet train.

Yeah. And I wouldn't have been so precious about it at the time of like, oh, the people Movers going like now, of course, it's a blasphemous thing to do. Get rid of the people mover. But the time of like, yeah, cool, faster. Well, I was for it then, yeah, I just didn't know it was going to be this. If they said we're making every ride at Disney 25 miles per hour faster, I would have been for it. Every ride is going to go faster the summer at Disneyland. We're turning up on everything.

And I'd be like, hell yeah, let's do this. Well, because you're hoping that like when they do that, they'll put the chili peps back in, you know, well, I'm hoping. I'm hoping you get a perfect sound check. Three peppers took over two rides at Disneyland 15 or 20 years ago. I'm hoping for all the rides at Disneyland full full full full full full full full. Every single. No repeats of songs every single right. Yeah. Yeah. So every ride will have a chili peppers song on it for a summer.

That's my hope. Pirates of the Caribbean. You just hear by the way seven times. Yeah. Pirates don't interact with the song whatsoever. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just a lot of like long intros too. Like jam, there'll be live tracks where they like kind of jam out an intro. Sure. It's a small world has. So just has a four minute flea bit solo. Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Because you got to get it. It's an eight minute ride or something. So how are you going to get that length that's on?

Chili summer. Yeah. Oh, please. Yeah. Yeah. Every ride goes 25% or 25 miles an hour faster and the chili peppers are on all the rides. That's my dream for a big event. If we're not getting Quacky Duck City, that's what I want. Mm hmm. Well, shocking news. Disney Land has closed. Disney Land finally, permanently after many decades has kicked the bucket. He's okay. Wait a minute.

In this scenario, is it because people don't want to go because of red chili peppers or is it because all the rides broke? Oh, I don't know. Yeah. Because people are like, I don't want to hear those red chili peppers anymore. Well, calm a little calm, be. Okay. Yeah. I think if, well, if you like didn't know what you were like, it's the storybook of the Disneyland Canal Boats. Yeah. It's really nice. You're going to see little villages where all the characters live. All right. Let's do it.

Buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh. Buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh. Buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh. They didn't bake the curves. I'm flying out of boat, mom. Is there a ride we think we could legitimately make faster and it would work? That's a good question. Well, railroad is pretty funny. Yeah, yeah. For sure. And you could make that go a little faster.

If I understand the physics of trains and I think I do from the film back to the future three, you just have to throw in different colored logs and that makes the train go relatively faster and faster. That's a good point. Different color. Oh, into the... Yeah, this is Dr. M. Brown's system. Yeah, you just get, you know, all right. Now you go to yellow, now you go to orange, now you go red. I got a rewind to the mirrors. The colors. I do not remember the logs.

No, it's a color based log system and that gets the train up to the 80-ambells an hour. You got to have your colored logs, regular logs are not going to do it for you. Right. So get some colored logs. Start cranking that thing. That makes sense for the train, yeah. What's the train song? Oh, which song with the relatively pepperous? Yeah. Oh, let me think here. I'm comparing. I'm trying to think of a good, what's on blood sugar. Blood sugar sex magic, maybe.

The title track from blood sugar sex magic. I think that makes sense. Can you just for family friendly, could you change the name to blood sugar train magic? Yeah. Oh, great, great. Everybody can enjoy that. That at least has one of the Disney words. That's true, man. It's got the most Disney friendly, chili pepper song. Maybe they build the whole firework show around the song blood sugar sex magic. So like they would at least fit the brand. Did they say the phrase in the song? Oh, yeah.

Okay. Well, blood sugar baby, she's magic, sex magic, sex magic. Train magic. Train magic. Train magic. Oh, he could put blood sugar story magic. I think blood is the come out of it. Story sugar. Story sugar train magic. Wish, wish magic, wish magic. Maybe it's the line then. Yeah. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, you're going to have to make some. You know, actually we're thinking sugar is a little dicey because there's kind of a sexually, hey, come here, sugar.

Oh, we just make, can we make that imagine just to be safe? So, okay. All right, so the song is now dream imagine wish magic dream. Dream imagine wish magic, wish magic. Yeah, it's kind of a hard, hard one of the harder songs in their catalog, I think. It's a tougher sounding song, not as poppy. But no one, not when Alan Minken puts his new leader in some Minken.

Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, not to avoid the question, but I think in turns of unpleasant, and maybe the astroorbiter at the front of this land. Is your least favorite really? I'm trying to, I just keep going through rides and I'm like, well, I like all the vehicles, I like all the trains. I'm pretty good with mission space. Although I feel like, feel like last time I rode out, I was okay, but the time before that I was pretty beat up. And living with the land is not your choice. Huh?

Look, Scott's choice is not living with the land. Maybe my choice is something I don't feel comfortable saying. Oh, okay. Excuse me. Excuse me. Maybe I, there's certain things, certain areas where I can't express myself in this country. You're being censored. Yeah, you're being censored. I mean, I think I do. I do think genuinely. I don't think you guys have been hard enough on that journey. And it's not even like, the dream finder, none of that.

I think in and of itself, that thing is such a piece of shit. I don't like it. Don't get me wrong, but I would rather go on it 10 times than do one mission space, I think. I just really don't like this space. You might be on the same page with you there. Funny how so many of the choices are in Epcot. What a bummer. That is interesting. Yeah. But thank God Epcot now has Cornhole and... Cornhole and Hulu. Hulu. Yeah.

Just to get to the end of this situation, they knew right away this was not going well. Operationally terrible. Shut down all the time. We're in the rise of the resistance zone of like shutdowns probably every day. Because of the slow down speed up, the, they had, all right, computers are going to manage how we track. The vehicles are, wait, that vehicle isn't where we thought it would be because of the slowing down and speeding up. Computer, what do you think?

Malfunction, malfunction, steam, computer system breaks down every car stops in its tracks because they couldn't pinpoint exactly where everything was supposed to be. Everybody get out of your rocket rods, really precarious, elevated, scary for kids to evacuate from. There's almost no clearance. So that's all a disaster. Then like they, I mean, they, I think they did a big shutdown. Three months early on. Wow. Yeah. Right. You know what? I'm seeing one month. Oh, one month. One month.

In one month, they scheduled a one month refurbishment, which became three months. Then it opened and nothing was fixed. It limped along like this until fall 2000 and they said, I guess what? Seven months, it's going to go down for seven months. We will see you in spring 2001. And then some reporters start asking the people in charge of Disneyland, hey, it's spring. What's going on with that thing? And they're like, yeah, all right. You cut us. It's not happening. Recorded as it's gone forever.

Wow. Cynthia Harris, I forget what she was if she was the president or somebody big at the resort. She was the president said to the press, said to a newspaper, the high speed attraction was never able to perform to its design show standards. The problem was a budget conscious decision to run the high speed rods on the people movers unbanked trek. Can you imagine today, current Disney executive saying what really happened?

Not saying, well, we are imagining, imagining, imagining some new experiences that we're going to dream a roof for you by 2032. Like, there's no, there's no way. No way. They don't just like sensor sensor. Cynthia Harris, a real, you know, she's from the air. Yeah. Yeah. She's a whistleblower. The Cornhole has been shut down as a drunk man in his 30s, won a bag at a six year old's head. It did not perform as expected. Well, the verbal won. We can only be described as long.

An action so violent has never occurred until now and requires a new word. So, I mean, that's crazy. They just said, and this is where you really have to like, imagine if they look at, it's problems, but it's clearly like a hit and it's working very well. But you like, imagine if they, two years in, rise the resistance is gone. We're not doing it. It broke it didn't work. It never worked. Like, never mind on rise of the resistance. You'd be going pretty wild.

Fully. Hannah Matronix, the statue keeps vomiting. The gleecin, the statue keeps vomiting and we don't know why. Some all gleecin, some you guys. Some all gleecin. And he's up above the guests. So it lands on the guests. And if you're asking, does he exercise, yes, he exercises. He spins around and around and around and there is no way to stop him. No, we don't even want to get in the room.

Well, the sort of the can in room is I think rocking itself, because that's never going to run again, I've heard. Those can is never going to run in a rise of resistance, which makes favorite room. Most people's favorite. That's what I've heard. Because it shakes the foundation. Like we're talking about, it gives earthquake, many earthquakes to this building. And that's what I've heard. I don't know. I've never talked to him.

Imagine you're about to, but that's what people say is that, yeah, these things are off forever. Make them out. Make them out of bolso. Like make them out of like the particle board. They're lighter than we think they are, but still the mechanism for making something that big move so much. That's a bummer. Yeah, that's true. That's a bummer. Yeah. It's like a mini rocket rods within. Right. That's yes. So yeah, there's partly of like, this isn't working. And luckily for there, they're safe.

It's only one room. Yeah. Imagine that on a bigger scale. It's really crazy. That should be in a Mario ride also, by the way, something like that. Yeah. Because it feels like such a Mario level. Oh, true. Yeah. When you go in and out, then have more of a risk of actually hitting. Yeah. I saw that 2000 to 2001 refurbishment. That's when they were going to put on the glow in the dark, like the glowing and light lights.

Oh, that's interesting. Wow. Wow. So that would have felt, but maybe there's a version where they got it there. I like to imagine a world where like, all right, so let's see, we're going to do, we'll pop over to, you know, we'll go do a lot of mansion. And then I think I got a two o'clock rods. We'll do rods. And then sure, I mean, I think it's, yeah, if they, they were probably like, the track is going to fall apart. We can't, we will have to rebuild the track.

And then just no one ever was interested in shutting down that big of a chunk of tomorrow land. And then they had just done right. It just happened. And you know what else is, here's where it gets depressing too, is that part of new tomorrow land. We got new ride. And that goes down. Once you've seen honey, I sure I got the audience. You've pretty much seen it. I don't know if you need to do that over and over. Some Marines gone, some Marines gone with new tomorrow land. So we've lost one.

Right, right. I mean, at that all, and nobody likes the, the brown gets repainted very quickly. It's almost, if you take away astral orbiter, there's almost no signs of new tomorrow land in general. Buzz Lightyear came in there, and ended up that area. So is this big, this, you know, cheap for them, but too expensive for something that didn't stay. Wow, what a giant waste of money. I know. And just don't do the rocker odds if you're going to put it on at that much.

I wonder how soon into development they realized. Yeah. Like, oh shit. Yeah. And they had to put on a bridge. And Tony had to go do all the press. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, like, because the future is the land of dreams. And that is where he knows he's dying inside. It's sort of crazy. I guess you could be the face of it. Yeah. Awful. Where are you saying just that? Uh, that sign that rocker rods close. I believe sold at one of the Disney land auctions.

Huh. At the, at the, I think I saw it at the, uh, I remember it was at the exhibit in the Perbank mall, one of the more recent auctions that is kind of set up as if it were a museum. Right. I'm like, it's a rocket rods thing. And it's the rocket rods is closed today's sign. The signs promising the rods will be there. Yeah. Yeah. But the rods did not come back. There were. There is no rod. I have found on eBay or D-Pop. There are rocket rods t-shirts. And the sellers know what they have.

Because those t-shirts are always $80 or $90. Okay. I got the real deal. Those are the remakes. Those are the vintage. They're vintage. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. True vintage rod merch. Uh, I like just calling it rods. Like if it's just stuck around real, it's calling it happens. Like, Jari, just, yeah, quick rod and then we'll do space man wall over there. If we have time, I really, if we had to pick, I gotta do, we gotta do rods. I think rods do. I do rods, yeah. Let's do rods.

But before we go to the pizza restaurant, because, uh, that pizza and then a rod on rods, you're gonna feel a little nervous. Which they change. And the pizza restaurant, which is called rods rocket pizza port. They changed the name due to the now beloved success of rocket rods. It's part of the rod universe. Right, right. Yeah. And they would have had a movie too, probably by now. Oh, yeah, yeah. Disney announces. Rocket rod movie. Yeah. Disney is back.

The core of her minstries is doing rocket rods. Yeah. Now that by the way, still could happen from some of the announcements recently where you go. I don't know why they're doing that. Oh, I know. Club three. Club three movie. It's a movie. You're like, why not a rocket rod movie? Talking about, uh, yeah. I know. Actually, and with rocket rods, you could be a little more freewheeling. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I mean, I'm kid brained.

I'm thinking about Thomas the Tank Engine, but like, you know, like a plucky, upstart vehicle named Rocket Rod who wants to go fast. That's good. He doesn't know how to bank on turns. So all his passengers always go a flying. Rocket Rod doesn't mean to cause concussions, but he just gets too excited on the straight away. I like that Rod isn't guy or a character. Yeah. Yeah. Give him a little face. Uh-huh. I'm Rocket Rod. That's their, yeah, rebooted just as a frantic. I'm seeing it right now.

Kids crazy for transportation. My pitch is more of an American graffiti with rocket rods, racing and stuff, you know? Yeah. Future American graffiti is my pitch. What if they just, what if all it is is you climb up there, it does just the straight away and then it doesn't bank. It's like a, it's a race to the end of the entrance at tomorrow and then you just back it up and you do it again. So 15 seconds. Rocket Rod drag races. Okay. Can I have a me? Yeah. Some kinetic energy there.

And a sexy girl robot, a wave in the flag in between. Yes. I'm very interested. Gentle bots. Start your engines. Gentle bots. Yes. I made the right, yes. Women can't, that's the other rule. Women can't go on. Women are not allowed to go on the new rocket rods. It seems a little odd, but okay. Oh, I don't know. That one for seven, but all right. Yeah, it seems confusing, but can I say there's been a lot of teases about rocket, or about rocket rods, about the people mover of the years.

2010, former Disney land, I think president, George Calo-Greetis. Oh, I know. He is close. What I do know is we can never bring it back as it was originally, but don't worry. Everyone understands the passion. Everyone has for it. Hang in there. So keep hanging in there, everyone. What year was that? 2010. 2010. Okay. A lot of hanging. Well, we've done a lot of hanging. And Rody walked along the track a while ago. People spotted him. The legend of Rody walking along the track.

The legend of Rody walking along the track. Over a few years before. We don't have footage of this, but this is a urban legend. It's frequent anecdote. It's like close to get stuff. We're supposed to get stuff. Because an imaginary went to a place, we need more than this. We need hope that's big enough to fill a Honda center. And the imaginary documentary is holding a model that looks like it possibly could be a space mountain and Rody's in charge of the new space mountain.

Rody fired never mind. He's gone. He's been fired. He's going. He's been put into early tribe retirement. He goes to Virgin Galactic, but he's not there anymore. I don't know. That's the one around. Imagineering for a seminar or a master class. He was in Epcot a couple months ago. So everyone wants things to be real. This is all, this is the saddest hunting for a lot of people. That's what I'm going to see. Yeah. I'm a guy walking through a place. Oh, I got a Rody walking through Epcot.

Wait, in terms of history, rhyming, New Epcot, it's done. Communicor hall, the picnic area is open. Then immediately test track two point of closes. Like you were saying, well, it's closing. There you are redoing it. Yeah, the new dress track is down. Excuse me. Going to be built now. Oh, they're doing the full reverse. Yes. But when you said like tomorrow in 98 and the subs are closed, it just reminded me of like that's how they do it. It keeps happening. Yeah, they roll. Yeah, they roll.

I love this. Like, it's my favorite theme park aesthetic is Disney Future. Yeah. It's one of the things I think they do the very best. Don't be the thing they do the very best. Why is this the most problematic area? Why do these have to struggle? Why are these the areas that don't get the infinite budget? This is what I'd like to see change. And it's in just a tie the Tomorrowland story back together.

But really, unfortunately, you have to say if it's, I don't want to blame Rod himself now that I've humanized him. I don't want to put this all on Rod's big clunky and loud shoulders. It's the decision making to cheap out on Rods that has still left this decaying husk of a track that now they're back to where they were. We're exactly where we were. Space Mountain Alok, Star Tour is a lock. Everything else, not a lock. All these spaces that need to be filled.

You could blow up any of these things any second and nobody would care. But it's a length. You've got to get rid of that track. Even if you don't replace it with anything, the track has to go. But also, you want to keep people going to Space Mountain. It's a, we've gotten nowhere since 1998. It's really crazy. What percentage of hope do you have that this is the year at D23 that we finally hear something? Well, that's into, okay.

What I think is going to happen is that we will get a, like, 50% new tomorrow and announced in this set. There'll be maybe one that maybe it's a version of Tron. Maybe it's one thing that's like a big shiny thing and then a lot of little things. That's kind of, that's what I think. And I think there's a good chance of that. I think there's a, this year. I think you are doing a parlay bet that they do something to tomorrow land. Because the autopia, I think, is kind of a hint to me.

The announcement of autopia being electric in what, 2027 is a hint that we're going to do stuff, but it's not going to be some massive thing that we kind of want where they rip out the subs in autopia and build a whole crazy new big thing over there. Okay. So I kind of think they're going to do half and half. It's going to plus up some stuff there. It's going to make it look better. We pull out the people, move or track.

And then I don't know if it's Tron or if it's some, maybe it's, I don't think they're going to do a Tokyo and rip out our space mountain. I wouldn't, I wouldn't hate it. I wouldn't hate it. I wouldn't. But there's things I need to do first. That's the thing. Like of course, I'd love that. But we, we got a big list. I've heard, my guess was that we, they were just going to put the Guardians coaster in there in Tokyo, but apparently that's not the case. The new kind of coaster.

I was wrong about that. Wow. So it's a totally new and I don't know that they know what it is yet. Cool. Yeah, so I think there's a very good chance we'll get like three small announcements for tomorrow and then maybe one moderate to big announcements and they'll tie that as well. And now we're doing something with tomorrow and that's, that's my guess. I don't think I can go with you. You don't even think that's happening. You don't even think that's happening.

I've been doing it for two or three years. But I think priorities are specifics about Avatar. I think in general, you could, you could feel that they are pushing it like, and a lot of this is going forward, I feel like about how they're going to get frozen and tangled and that kind of thing. Yes. I think that's all getting all that first.

I think that's all priority, but I almost, and maybe I'm wrong about this, is I feel like they're going to hedge some bets still on what they're fully doing with all of it. I think they'll show more of the Avatar and they'll say it's, but I don't know that they'll show us where it's going yet. I could be wrong about that, but like that all feels like that is still a little bit emotion. This is all complete guess.

I don't know what I'm talking about, but that all still feels like we're not quite sure. It feels like some of the magic kingdom stuff is a little more close to reality, but beyond big thunder stuff. Okay. I keep hearing rumors about that. So I almost get a sense of like, I bet they know where that stuff is going more than they exactly know what isn't in forward is. If it's a third park, if it's just extensions of the two parks. This is a whole, I don't know. This episode is just us betting.

That's a betting, yeah. Yeah, and putting actual money on it. That's fun. Yeah, I'll put money on it. Yeah, that's fun. Ooh, that's interesting. Yeah. It's going to be a scar. It's going to do it along with us too. I don't exactly know how to structure that. I don't know how to make a betting that's what's going to be tough. Well, with Fanatics.com and ESPN, you can use ESPN bet and keep it in house. It Disney. I think we'll, you know what?

You'll probably have to do is we'll each come in with sort of a guarantee of like, okay, I believe they will show concept art of a frozen land or mini land with a new frozen rock. We'll have to come in with sort of a bet and then you, the other two will have to say, I will take you up on that. I don't believe that's happening. Like I think we're going to have to do that as opposed to like figuring out an official board of all the different.

Because like we, yes, you're right, tangled, frozen avid. We know we're going to have to determine odd that are in the mix. This is a mess. It has to be just like between us. But it, yeah, so we'd have to, I would have to say like, okay, I, I believe they will show Wakanda and they will show a black Panther ride specifically. And it's in Disney, I don't know, you could say it's in Disney Land Forward and that's where it's going to go or something.

Like you would have to, I'll have to bring in a specific thing that you will have to either agree or disagree with me on. Yeah. And I guess it can be as specific as we want it to be. Right, right. But it's still going to be tricky because maybe it, maybe it has to have a qualify like, it'll have like, it's tough because it's too hard.

We shouldn't really work it out on the air because it's a boring, but it is like when you're, when you're betting on the Super Bowl and when you bet on the Super Bowl, bet on football games in Vegas, you can bet on the coin toss. You can bet on like, like whoever is doing the halftime show, like what songs they will say, like we could go so micro. Yeah, I think it's more like that. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, you could bet on, yeah, like is, like is, does the score have like a nine and a six in it?

Right. You could go that. Yes. I think that's what we do. What if it's, hey, let's simplify Bingo. Okay, yeah. We do Bingo cards. Okay. And it's either how many do you light up or if you get lines? That's funny too. Yeah. Okay, so we got, tomorrow and 2015 episode. We've got repeat, uh, uh, uh, freaking footage, final four, freaking footage, final four. We've got, uh, potentially unbuilt. That could go into our lands. 2015. We've got prop bets.

Yep. We've got a prop that episode, but then we also have to fix tomorrow and which I, you guys tomorrow and we can assign our assignments right now. If you like, do you have that worked out? I do. Well, yes, it's a very, it's pretty simple. We have to, it has to be randomized, doesn't it? Well, right. So I have, no, I have a sign one through three. Oh, and I could just have Jason pick a number and you'll pick a number and then I'll get whatever's left over because I chose the numbers.

Okay. So this is a little bit of a record right now. Okay. So remind everybody what the system is. So the fixed tomorrow land, basically, uh, where each can have a different assignment and a different budget, essentially, you know, and a different mindset and a lot of ways because somebody is going to have to fix tomorrow and any budget, uh, less money than this rocket rod era. Okay. So at least similar, at least similar. At least similar to rocket rod.

We're like, you can kind of do a rocket rod type overlay or change to one existing ride there, but it's going to be a lot of paint. Mm hmm. You're going to have to be, you're going to have to really like, like figure out economical ways to make tomorrow and better. Yeah. Somebody is going to get the budget for a realistic 2024 tomorrow land, meaning say they gave it a healthy budget, but what would Disney in 2024 do?

It's going to be a lot of IP, it's going to be a lot of cloning from other parks. Mm hmm. So all that's, obviously, the other two people will have to police you if you decide to like act like you could put in like a goofy movie ride or something. We go, that is not what 24, 24 Disney would do. But it also doesn't have to be that a bunch of it just turns into grass with cornhole and hula hoops. It doesn't have to be, but that one is my wheelbale.

When it out, yes, future grass portions of tomorrow land. And then the third is maybe, I don't know, maybe the most fun, big budget, blue sky, and you can maybe put a few originals that like you have a massive budget here. It's maybe like they sold ESPN. Yeah. You have all that money now. You have the Albatross is gone. Uh huh.

And you really, I will like whoever gets that, I think we'll be able to sort of have cart blanche to do some IP, maybe some original bring back old stuff, like that's maybe the most fun one and that's that's going to be a big, that's going to be I think the one that I want the most. But we're going to have to trust that you aren't loading over there. And I, well, I have it written down what the numbers are. So you guys can see that I'm not going to give myself the thing.

So I have numbers assigned to each one and one through three. And I will let's just say Jason picks first one, two or three, and then I will give you your assignment to Jason. You got budget tomorrow and so. And now it's up to between Scott and I and one of us gets realistic, healthy budget, but they have to be within the sort of confines of what Disney does in 2024 and the other gets the fun blue sky one. Scott, you have to choose either one or three. What do you choose? This is very important.

Three. Choose Scott gets the blue sky. Yeah. Tomorrow. And you wait that was the order you read them. I didn't think you would give blue sky to three. That was the third one you mentioned. Well, that's why I thought it because I didn't exactly how I had listed. Oh, wow. Jason has a problem with the mechanism. I honestly think I got the worst one. I would have had been budget would have been my second choice. If there's some way we can trade if you want to like come up with a reasonable trade.

I have realistic 2024 what they might announce at this year's D23. So mine is the most boring one because it's going to have to be IP. It's going to have to be a lot of cloned rides. But it's a good to go. Open to a trade with you now with Jason. Oh, no, I got budget. I got my assignments. I got my assignment. I love that you got budget. But I. But you have no, yeah, you have to be the most creative with little money to fix tomorrow end.

So you're really going to have to get in there and imagine what you would do with just paint. And again, you can do sort of a rocket rods ish level redo of an existing ride into the car, yeah, or maybe build a very small kind of ride using that money. It could be I'll even say it could be like web slingers level. Oh, okay. That's still expensive. But it's a smaller ride. It's not they would never have called that any ticket. I don't.

Yeah, maybe either like either of you I'd say could allude to a ride that is a giant lie that will never get done. That's true to that's all that's always a big option with the modern Disney. True to yes. I can lie a little bit. Yeah, so, so yeah, you guys have the better assignments, I think mine is the most great. Huh. I believe. Well, I'm going to be being it's interesting. It's interesting. It's interesting. It's an interesting experiment. Yeah. Well, thank you for being a randomized martyr.

Sure. Well, hey, that's great. Well, I'm glad we've done the connective tissue. We've identified the problem. Maybe this is all taught us something that we can use right in our in this eventual episode, which should be a lot of fun. We'll get to that before D23 happens. Or either we get some stuff we want or we get our hearts broken. But for now, you survived podcast the ride for three bonus episodes every month.

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