Norman Bates & The Psycho House with Chelsea Rebecca

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Yeah, thank you. It only took seven years and I started writing them down, so I would remember. It doesn't become like, oh, right, oh, oh. But I look forward to every year when Mike on every episode is like, oh shit. Trying to remember. Try to keep it that way. Try to keep the not getting them right. Yes, we are kicking off yet another HotCast The Fright season. We got a lot of fun in store all October.

We're like, we're kicking things off today because we're joined by a true horror head and from the sounds of it a big theme park head as well from the Dead Meat podcast and YouTube channel. It's Chelsea Rebecca. Hi! Yes, if you look closely in the background of this podcast, you can see me out of the window walking my dogs by like Alfred Hitchcock. Oh, yes. This is my spooky cameo appearance. Thank you for having me.

Absolutely. Thanks for making a cameo and a full appearance as well. And not only that, I mean, so excited you're here. Thank you for reaching out to me. And then what a great arrival to that you were. The shirts. Yes, my exciting eBay purchase. I can't believe I already found an appropriate occasion on which to wear it. I have a psycho 1998 promotional giveaway t-shirt that someone on eBay is trying to get rid of.

Lots of them. So check it out. Yeah, they come in every size and you can tell that some marketing department made them and no one wanted that. This is not a thing. There is nostalgia for somehow an nostalgia has not accrued for 98 exactly make. I just saw somebody try to dig up a little enthusiasm for like, you know what 98 was like one like tweet or something that I feel like somebody was like, hey, hey everybody. Didn't we actually like this thing? That's probably me.

I was number one. And this is you were saying this is a runner on your bucket. It's better runner. Basically since the beginning of our show since like 2017, 18. I don't know how it started.

I actually know I do remember I was playing a game where I was reading my husband taglines from like horror posters and making him guess what they were. And I read the psycho 98 tagline, which is the same. And it was like, that's incorrect. It's technically the 1990 and so it just became a runner to kind of like break his winning streak in games.

I was slipping the 98 psycho. There's no way to know. He's right. Psycho nunni 98 when I was 13 14 and we rented it because we were a big Hitchcock family. Like everyone could agree on a Hitchcock. I really liked Hitchcock. And this is not the actor I wrote down that I was excited about. But in that movie, the private detective in 98 is William H. Macy. And that was a very weird 14 year old thing. That was like, look, it's William H. Macy.

You mean like you were so excited. But do you think it was weird he was in there because like you would just discovered him like no, I think it was weird that a 14 year old and they got like 1999 or 2000 at that much enthusiasm about William H. Macy's career.

I bet that I had a similar enjoyment of William H. Macy and awareness, I will say, I don't know that it was such an anomaly. I don't want to make you look special. I'm not trying to know that. I'm just saying that I was mystery men's around this time. He was out there. Mystery men was great. I was also like very into David Mammoth's filmography, which looking back is very hit miss. But when H. Macy shows up in a lot of those.

I didn't know that he's the psychiatrist seen at the end. Ray writer is that forster. Is it wait, now I'm going crazy. Yeah, I forget. Are they both in it? They might be for a poster. Yeah, I forget about forsters. I'm oh my gosh, maybe I'm not the number one. You still could be actually giving me time to hear my Robert forsters. Yeah, Robert forsters, Dr. Simon Richmond. Oh, he's the actor. I thought when they fill a baker halls with sheriff. That's what it is. Okay. Okay.

So again, Tangled excited. They're both in there. Both great. You have a Robert forster story. Is it a bit of a Robert story going to be we were a big Robert forster family. And then he was in the movie. It is not I have not one but two autographed headshots for Robert forster because he did not like his signature on the first one. Oh, my again. My old landlord was a floral designer at a flower shop. And the owner of it was dating Robert forster towards the end of his life.

I don't know this. I was she mentioned it at one point. And I was like, Oh my god, I love her for forster. And I didn't get a letter opener because that was his thing. He always gave letter openers out. But he signed a headshot when I didn't like it. He didn't like his signature. So he signed another headshot and he gave her both of them. So I have two two Jason Robert forster headshots. Wow. That's so sweet.

I love Jackie Brown's one of my favorites. It's in my top three. Yeah. Do you have them framed like where are they? I don't have them framed. I think I just have it with like a fire with some art and some other autographs. Okay. We'll be fun to frame the mistake actually. Yeah. I think I saw a great actor's process at work. Absolutely.

Chelsea excited just to I mean, and we'll focus on Norman Bates and and all things psycho here as it relates to universal studios, the theme park. But also, I mean, you're you're big into Halloween horror nights. And I'm not sure about the other one. But I know that you were. I know you were up there.

You did a and have done for many years of red carpet. Appeared like live stream the Halloween or nice red carpet. This year was our first red carpet that we live streamed. And it was the year that it was 107 degrees outside. So a lot of people were not.

They were because we were located right next to the the AMC at city walk where they had the doors just slightly propped open so you could feel that it was cold in there. And I think by the time people got to where we were, they were like, oh, but that I can tell it's real cold. And they were just kind of. I'm sorry whoever you are, you're not air condition carbon, or I'll allow it. He walked by us just flashing peace signs like hey, thanks guys, I got to go home and play Sonic or whatever.

He's gay. He's getting up there. You want to say it's great. We still have them. You know, I'm doing whatever makes you comfortable. I've been fortunate to interview him before and it was awesome. We did we barely talked about movies. We talked about video games and the the economic situation of Detroit because I said I was from Detroit and he was like, oh, what's going on there? Like what's you tell me about it? Okay.

He's really cool. That's great. I was shocked to see him like on the red like get orders. Yes. Like I'm you got out of the house for this. Wow. That's cool. Got those music royalties. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, right. Yeah, there was this white sandy. Yeah. Like did he go through a house? Do you think I doubt it? Right. But like why why not? Like there. At least get ushered through it before everyone goes.

How was everyone's spirits at a hundred and seven degrees at heart? No, it's because I've watched some live streams and people still seem to be having fun. Yeah, like surprisingly everyone was. I don't know what no one seemed cranky. I think it was a I think it was just so nasty out that it became like a whole we're all in this together kind of thing.

You know, it kind of went past that point of the bell curve. Like it was past miserable into like, well, you know, we're all here. Let's just have fun. You know, help each other. Yeah, not I saw that they weren't you couldn't bring your own water bottles in. Universal was not in the team spirit is really. I think since we were media, we were able to say good. But that's actually kind of crazy.

I did see someone being attended to who I presume had like each stroke or something. Yeah, I saw that happen in Disneyland a week prior to or like some picks are here. Someone hit the deck. Yeah, and fair warning. If you're going when it's this hot out, although this is coming out a bit later. So I think hopefully it's better. I know. But some of the houses are hotter on the inside. And I just I feel so bad for those actors.

I was a guest house, which we were excited for because it's all it's ghost busters frozen empire. It'll be cold in there. Right. So swerved. That's kind of what I thought to my skull. I made a joke to that effect. Oh, yeah, I was like, that is true. At least there'll be. There'll be a cacooling effect. Why did we think that? I don't know that I fully believe that. But I was like, oh, maybe there'll be a rumor to where they have some sort of like a freezer open.

Because one maze we went through we didn't go through all of them. We tapped out. It was just it was too much. But there was one we went through where it's this. It's on IP. It's like this radioactive zombie kind of maze. It's by the mummy ride. I think it's kind of tucked away in a corner. But that room you walk through at one point and it's a freezer with a bunch of bodies hanging up.

The room is actually cold. So if you're looking for somewhere. That's cool. Just a few minutes of respite. It's the freezer in the radioactive zombie. You should try to hide like hug a corpse in there and hide. Meanwhile, the evening weather in Orlando. I've been looking is usually the mid to low 70s. It's very.

I have to weather the world in every night. You know, I have like eight or 10 cities saved in my weather. You stare out at the moon and think about what it looks like in Orlando every night. Yeah, like a five or so. Yeah, I like on the window. It's still like transport to the window sill of the islands of adventure. Yeah, that scares us are under the same moon. This is a little validating what you've said in terms of the heat, at least at the beginning of the season, which is a while ago.

As listeners hearing this, but you were there up there for the first night. The second night. Mike and I were set to go. Tickets were arranged and I was going to brave it for the first time because last last years, hot cast was the first that I've participated in anything. I think what got me over the hump was that the things that we did were so stupid that the names themselves are so dumb.

We did a haunted car wash. We did Shaqtoberfest. I was so delighted by. Oh, even I you know what we didn't end up doing an episode about. I went a friend joke was all I followed him to the LA haunted hay ride and Griffith Park, which has something that he's a big fan of. I was a zombie lounge singer named Monty Revolta. I watched Monty Revolta's set. No real scares beyond that.

The general eeriness of just the vibe of Monty Revolta. But anyway, all of these things made me like last year's for sure my favorite October, my favorite Halloween season, doing the show or not. I think it was a little bit like this time think I'm ready Mike get me in. Then it was the night before the night you were up there and I was like, Mike, I hate to say it. I don't know if I can because I'm teetering is it is.

I'm a scary cat. I was like, I think I can make it but you add that heat to it. And I was like too many things. I'm going to talk to you. I'm going to be a little out for sure. Yeah, yeah. So it's been rescheduled. And this is maybe the element of suspense of the month in general. Well, I Scott do anything was the year enough to reset me and make me, will I find an excuse that isn't heat? Was that me making an excuse to not do it or was it? I mean it was so horrible.

It was horrible. Yeah, I have all these questions to though. I said, well, when it's 15 degrees, what will it be something? I don't know. I don't know the answer. I don't know the answer. I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm excited to find out. I'm excited to see what it is. And listen, there's yeah, that's what we'll have to wait all month and check to do the and we didn't get a chance to do this when we went. We're playing. I'm going again also, but there is a Chuckie.

Yeah, I mean, why were he roast everyone and I want to see it so bad? You didn't do it. You did. Okay. We did not do it. But tonight with Chuckie in the like the DreamWorks theater, the kind of who panned up the dinner. It was greatly interviewed. Zachary Arthur on the red carpet. We've talked to before. It's our first time meeting him in person. He's one of the actors on the Chuckie show.

Like he's the lead on that show. We ask, are you going to go do that? The Chuckie live roast thing? He was like, that's my job. Like I get paid to have Chuckie insult me all day. There's nothing he can say anymore. He said too much Chuckie work. I understand. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Thanks, Ken. Wow. So yeah, we'll see if Chuck will find that roast Scott. Yeah, yeah. So it's Chuck. Oh, it's all. I think Chuckie. I was that does help me get. I would like to say because there's nothing about me going that says that then I have to do all of the scary. Yeah, you can just enjoy the on the way Jason and I should take bets on what how long you last. I'll say that we'll figure it out off the houses that we did. We did the Ghostbusters house.

We did the universal monsters house, which we called oops all women because it's all women. Like it's it's bride a Frankenstein. It's a it's a female descendant of Van Helsing. And they're like road tripping and killing female monsters. It's cool. That's a lot. And this might interest you might tip you in favor of going through that one at least. I think for the first time ever that they have a maze on stage 12.

Where they filmed the original Frankenstein right a Frankenstein a bunch of the old universal which is why they have the universal monsters. Right. They're this year. I think is really, really cool. That is cool. That's the big one from from my tour guide days. I remember that was the first one you could see and I know the most exciting montage I could play in actually because some stages honestly not a lot interesting happened.

Yeah, but that one it's like you're playing the montage and it's like it's alive. Sorry. I love to my little friend. Yeah, yeah. He recs attack like that. That was that was a good one. You get down the hill and then you hype everybody up with the coolest stage granted. You only see a corner of it. You know, it's the end of that. But I would yeah, I'd like to go stage 12 check out.

Wow. Wow. Interesting. Yeah. There's us. I once I won't say it now, but there's a spoiler from Ghostbusters maze that I actually am like, Oh, why did it get spoiled for me? There's a good spoiler. Yeah. I think you know what it is. But I know what it is. Yeah. I was like, Oh, that would have been fun. But I won't say that again. We have to go. You have to go. I don't want you. You'll probably go, Oh, yeah. Okay.

Our favorite was the weekend. And it was our favorite because this is the second time he's done a house. And the first time he did a house, it was also our favorite that year. It just visually, it's always so different than everything else. And there's so much color and the sound is always incredible. And it was the maze I got the most genuinely scared. And I got caught off guard by so many. There's lots of like unexpected changes and scale in that one that I think are really cool.

Uh oh, that's the key. Yeah. Yeah. That's telling me out. I did actually think of this show because there are certain points where it's like there's a big thing in a room. And I remember that coming up. You know this thing. I do know the thing. That's my thing. That was your second genuinely scary. No, you've just talking me out of the weekend.

But we can bar that you. I'm all the way in on the weekend. You can always just ride the rides because they don't have lines during or night. Yeah, that too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Me being there at all can get into the toad cafe easily. Apparently we have friends the same night just walk in. That's a good idea. I would like to have something. Okay, something shaped like a Mario thing. Yeah. I nod to not for it to be the most like joyless. Yeah.

Cafeteria. That's so much just like that feels like it's a you know it's a disaster situation. And well here we can get everybody fed at least. Right. There's an air of panic and stress in every corner of the room. Wow. Yeah. All right. Well there's a lot to look forward to. Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you for this preview of it. And in terms of the main thing to talk about, I think this is a great thing. This is a great slice to take.

Sliced. I didn't even intend to do any pun there. Of like universal history of like the big the big cred. I feel like in a horror sense to the the back lot area in general. The presence of Norman Bates, the Bates Motel and the psycho house. This is a great thing to like peel off as as its own thing.

Was there anything particularly the drew you to that as kind of an area to meditate on? I just think because like living in LA, you know, it's a city where like LA tends to destroy a lot of its own history. You know, it's almost like a theme park, the Disney problem where it's like this is a business ultimately. And so do you have to prioritize the museum aspect or do you prioritize the like new and exciting aspect?

Right. And so it's rare, I think, for giant set pieces like that to survive for so long that's not just in like a private collectors. It's there. Like if you go to the park, it's there for you to enjoy. And during horror nights, if you take the tram tour, you can get up super close, which I think is reason enough to do the tram tour. You walk right alongside the Bates Motel and you can get your picture taken with Norman on the steps of the house.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I got yelled at last year because I accidentally stepped on the step. Oh, yeah. My husband also, I think God school that for doing that. It's it's tempting. I didn't do it on purpose. Also, I just like, I don't remember I was trying to get in position for the photo. Yeah, it's normal. He's a nice young man. You want to take a photo with a nice young man? It's very polite. Sure. Yeah.

Yeah. Absolutely. And it's also like it's sort of, I mean, plenty of things have shot there over the years, but it's not the same as you leave up the back to the future set and other things can reappropriate that and give it different. But psycho is sort of psycho. Yeah. It's too iconic. The cycle house. The yes, the clock tower from back to it's like that has been used so many other times. Yeah.

But the psycho house, if you ever see it in other stuff, it's there to be the psycho house. Like I don't know if you saw Maxine. Well, there's a scene in that where they specifically drive up to the house in a golf cart and they're like, they shot psycho. It's just this moment where they're kind of an awe of this thing. Yeah, she sees a like an image of of pearl in the window, kind of like Mrs. Bates. It's cool.

I see, I see another aspect of the experience that they leave mother up there. Yeah. In the window. No, it's a neat like it's a it's a cool like like I'm I'm flashing back to being a kid and taking the tram tour and not at a point where I haven't seen psycho. I know culturally and from Simpson's Barathees, what psycho and I'm a from like I'll never see it. But I it's cool that just kind of two facades have an eerie feel that stays with you.

And where there is no tech, right? It's not of course King Kong and earthquake are going to give you a feeling. Yeah, scary and jaws going to jump out at you, but just that like architecture is scary to drive by. Yeah, it's kind of it is funny now that I think about it that that still exists on the tram tour, whereas like other stuff they've added and the psycho hotel or motel and house have outlived.

Like the briefly I remember the fast and furious like the cars on the kooka arms. Yeah, it outlived the gas Lena cars. You know, it's rightfully so. Yeah, but just the fact that it has so much more staying power than stuff. Yeah, like you said, there's tech. This is just a guy with a body in a bag and he dumps it into a trunk. Yes, yeah. Now there and there wasn't always that that was that was a chain that the the Norman Bates show that occurs and that there is a walk around or the legend's.

Oh, that's true. Well, so yeah, I think you know, it's been on the tour since the the tour started like proper tram tours starts in 64 and which is in psycho 60 correct.

Yeah, so they they left that up and it was like a it was a perfect, you know, probably one of the primary attractions. Yeah, it was a recognizable spot. It's been moved around a couple times. Yeah, that's not I didn't realize it. I didn't know that until I was doing some homework for this that it's been packed up and moved around both the motel in the house. Yeah, yeah, which I want like I wonder that before, but it's like it'd be weird because you have to also recreate kind of the grounds because the house has to be up on the stairs.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's hard to move the motel. Yeah, I was like in conceive of moving. Yeah, because the house takes up less space. Yeah, and it's a little bit of an illusion. Yeah, and also you and I could just drag that. Yeah, no, but I guess you just break the hotel into pieces. Yeah, it's all like that. Yeah, the hotels all empty on the inside as well.

Moving houses used to be more common, especially in Los Angeles, people would buy different plot of land and move a house. Right. I think someone did it a few years ago. And it was like news to say that to move a house, you have to put it on like a giant truck. Yeah, like it. And you have to shut down roads. Is it in, is it the jerk? There's a whole gag with the house on the truck like that. Am I thinking of the right movie where there's a whole set piece with the house?

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But this is the original psycho house in dates, my hotel. Well, I don't know that. I don't know if they've I that's a question is if they moved the literal pieces or not. I actually I actually don't know that I know that when I was a PCS ship kind of thing where it's been I wasn't sure if it was one of the ones from the sequels that survived because that was the one in the short lived one universe or land.

Yes, technically the house from psycho for that was you yes very much from psycho for built there. To in order to have like an arbitrary it's like we're opening a movie studio we got a film something there. All right, psycho for is in motion. You're coming down here and they actually were filming that right after the park open so June 1990.

You could go right up to it and watch the they filmed most of it at night so wasn't really a problem, but I think there were times where they were actually filming scenes and the regular paying theme park people could walk pretty close up to and the juxtaposition freaked me out as a kid in 91 or 92, whenever my family went because it's like the five old players here the psycho for is over there and there's a giant hard rock cafe and I'm like what is going what is this.

It's a very chaotic corner and also just the way that it like it's almost like a sadder is the it like it just descends into nothing back there is whatever. Yes, like the theme parks over and it ends at a scary house. Yeah, sad dusty lanes there's like majesty to the one in Hollywood. The way they really feel important. Yeah, like in the way it's whatever the things are there. Do you think the ones here are both of them are the original buildings. I know that the the motel's been refurbished.

I think John Murdy who does like the horror nights like he's the big he's the creative director I think he was involved in a big refurb of the motel the kind of bring it back to what it would have looked like because it was it's been used it was used in the 98 remake. I actually so a friend of mine. His name Trevor Dow he said it was fine if I used his name is Norman Vates on the tram tour.

So there's a chance if you go on the tram tour or if you do the little meet and greet it's it's Trevor. I asked him like do you have any cool behind the scenes stuff and he was he told me that you know the original locations and stuff. He said that in the the remake the motel used to be like wooden planks like I think there was a lot of like wooden stuff on the exterior but then it was changed over to kind of cinder block which is still what it is now.

So I think the motel is a weird amalgamation of like original material but then also stuff they put in for this remake which is kind of interesting. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, because like they've definitely converted it back to the old vibe for the most part because it's like you know old it's the old sign because that you can so picture from the black and white and the 90s one was kind of more 90s one in general is all like cookie and a lot of Julie and more is wearing like dresses with weird bubbles over them.

And then if I remember incorrectly it the what they did with the house is even stranger they don't even use the psycho house in the remake they built a like a front in front of the house it's a different house but it's concealing the actual.

Yeah, but yeah, if you look at the book is they for sure use the title in front of a but it's the old it's like the motels there so you're like there's the stairs and then so they just built this weird house it's a different house that's kind of I mean there's nothing iconic about that house.

Maybe if the movie had been a hit it would have been but it's also kind of I don't know that could be where the puppies are being kept in 101 Dalmatians there's nothing particularly it doesn't it's not that like there's no choice in the house like like scary the creepy skininess.

Strange almost meta thing I think because when you watch the remake everyone's a bizarre version of the original characters because everything is so identical and I think they were just like why not do that to the house to like the house is almost like a weird

recast you know me yeah yeah framed with the same framing so the old yeah I was glad I watched it was a very interesting watch I thought and then that was a very big part of the world it a weird time where I might have taken the tour in this time where then they moved they've kept the facade but they moved it over so there was a time right before the movie is going to come out where you would go by there and there were two

psycho houses originally a really strange. Yeah yeah yeah that I would like I would sign off on that for sure yeah so very strange history. And they've been they've refurbished it and that's been the spot since mid 80s I think I think it's been I think the current spot is like 80s to present it moved around a bunch before that which is you know what it doesn't need to be the same I don't care that it moved up the hill yeah they

divide perfectly it's 100 feet away it's still like it's still magical to be again if you do the tram tour to get that close to it and you're just just so aware that like this is this is the stuff they used it's so neat yeah and then it went and horn it's I don't know if they're doing this this year with the terror tram you get to walk right up front by the motel to their

scale yeah that's yeah that's always it goes really and they have people popping out of like the motel rooms and stuff that's cool and that like the first time I got to do that I was like whoa wow that's I mean I almost wish it was more psychothermed yeah that would be cool but I don't know if it's just a bunch of norm and I don't know but they always know who would you have in every room yeah no norm and wait now you're your friend it's because you were doing a list it was there I mean

anything else you told you about the what that experience is like or what that what day to day what a norm and shift is like I didn't get any like gruesome details or I just imagine it's a lot of sitting and waiting you know but I do think that they wait in you know it's the original it's cabin one which is apparently the only it's a really usable room in the motel it's got all the furniture and it's made up to

look wow like the room I don't know if they used the interiors of the motel for the movie but it is like made up I don't think they did I was curious about that I think yeah yeah I'm like I brought stuff wow I did I did I got printed things I did print things

yeah yeah he hasn't had to like just when you're playing norm and base you don't have to do like a leto style immerse yourself acting no you just like he makes a face and yeah scary what's funny is like on that no I you know my friend who does it and when I was doing some kind of homework for this I found someone else on reddit saying that they knew someone who played Norman as well and that you know that it's something where he knew a lot about the history of the building and I get

the sense that all the guys who play Norman are like like really love like and care about this building and the history and are like very attached to it and are just you know like I don't know what I was expecting to get from my friend but this is all just very like

oh here's some like genuinely cool stuff about not like oh yeah here's what my day I sit around and it's boring you know it was like no this is I get to be in this really cool piece I don't know and it's but it is in a weird way it's very nor they're just very nice young young boys who are very respectful of the history that they're surrounded by and it just all feels very appropriate.

It feels that just feels to me like when you go into the whatever the pavilion the room to see the American adventure at the American in Epcot center all the people in there are like museum level history nerds American nerds and like you really feel that from almost everybody at least we're not necessarily the people that work at the barbecue kiosk outside but the people inside that are showing you around like I bet they're Sam the eagle barbecue

enthusiasts but they're maybe not as die hard as the people that will explain like these are George W. Bush's boots and you know everything about the boots. I like hearing that they're like Norman enthusiasts. Yeah they're almost like docents it feels like they know just because they end up spending so much time in there.

When I remember when they started they started the program when I was still working there I think I started 2006 and I feel like oh seven or eight they started having and sometimes you would like fewer because I started

working very seasonally and I think I may have encountered Norman for the first time and it was genuinely a surprise I think maybe nobody told me that they were doing that and I just had to react which is not I did not think it was an actual dumb so many I just out there randomly but I remember that it was like I recognized all the people who were doing it and there were all people who were tour guides and I think like VIP tour guides and the people who like really cared about it so like yeah I

think something about it attracts like film historians like to do that part and there's one I know I didn't I because I did that job so long ago and I don't remember his name but I I should say hi at some point but like I will I end up at the same coffee shop a lot with one of the normans and I remember in being a nice guy from working there but I more remember that he was Norman so there's still something for me where I'm like oh Norman I better hold up in a corner and then what's the

furthest away I can get here there's there's it's an Irving already got a cold foam cold brew cold brew and then he just came over and said we all go a little mids right so it sounds like I just looked at the stuff I brought I do think they might have shot the motel interiors in there

really really oh my god and my friend said this is like I didn't see this anywhere online so this might be like cast member knowledge or just a fun little secret that I couldn't find pictures of or anything but apparently Marley Renfrow who was the body double for the shower scene because

she was willing to do like on screen nudity she apparently recently visited she's the only living cast member still yeah she's like in her 90s I think but she came to visit she apparently booked it because she had modeled for playboy and so it was like oh yeah I'm comfortable doing it

and she I don't know how recently she was there but she apparently signed the the shower like her signatures in the hotel and there is a shower they're really wow that's what I actually think they might have filmed it right if there's that much stuff yeah yeah wow wow that's very that's

very that's fascinating yeah I don't see that anywhere online this might just be that cool thing that really happened yeah yeah I also think it's cool to see this because like there's all the other horror stuff you like Michael Myers is around like psycho hasn't been like sequel

I there's been a sequel for many years it's like a lot and at one point at one point over a time I'm just saying now it almost feels a little more special going to see it because you go that's that old movie and now it's like I get to live it here I don't see it everywhere

it's not a billboards it's not like some specialness about it yeah because of that in my mind not not that I don't think they should do 10 sequels to the Gus fansant movie I'm saying it is like like I feel remake that like I want to see a remake of that with some like additional scenes

that we can keep doing this weird like you know copy of a copy of a copy is like how far can we to grade what this movie ends up being oh yeah and by the if you did it for the seventh time would it still resemble the old one or would enough variances occur that it's kind of

its own movie like the half life of it's degrading someone is there an episode of the Freddie Heimor Bates Motel TV show that's just a shot remake of the Gus fansant that would be good yeah psycho yeah that would be should be there's that too this is really

there as per your statement there's been a lot of psycho there's been a lot okay fine that I forgot about the TV show but not lately but not lately is what I'm saying I don't feel like a miracle there's other stuff that like you see the minions you go well the

minions are everywhere all the time I feel like so I just it feels good to me I didn't watch the show I'm sorry I didn't watch the show I remember that now yeah I think you kind of alluded to there I don't this may have inspired the notion of putting characters

up there because there was this story I don't know if it was urban legend or I think it did actually happen but I believe that around 1999 that a tram tour was attacked by somebody dressed as mother and it was genuinely upsetting because it's what I was fearing when I went

by like I'm going to assume that's an employee that is Norman bits yeah but in this case truly nobody knew what it was and the guide came back and was freaked and when they poked around and figured out what happened it was Jim Kerry filming man on the moon

buses so in his the anarchic Kaufman spirit which we know much about and were nerfed by much but fun I mean that is a kind of a like living the dream I feel like there's probably I think there are some people who have filmed entire projects and been

on a lot a lot who do not care and don't want to engage yeah but I love hearing because I loved it as a kid and I did it as a job I the idea that an actor would be like oh my god we're on the tram to this I'm a theme park attraction yeah let's go make

it a madness happen right so that's that's fun well we got Jason Anthony geo and I got to do this because geos working on the lot and he took us behind amity on the lake yeah we gotta go we start and we got to like I mean no one told us we could do this but

we just like we acted as if jaws that come on we were surprised well you and geo did I just was smiling I was going to miss the direction of the place and not bring up the fact that geo told us exactly what to do and you just did not do it no geo and I went oh my

god you were just like I think I had turned around I was distracted because behind one of the building the sides there was a bunch of broken off his chair so I was like guys look it's like an officer graveyard back here for some reason I was like have these all shares get

here there's a lot of it's close by and very if there's if there's options a and b to be about Jason will always find option g yeah I just thought it was so strange and then we got in the golf cart and we drove up and parked behind the baits motel yeah yeah and we there

was a a a Norman walking around and there was a VIP trolley then people walking around it's like oh we shouldn't be here like we are just no one cares no one cares no one cares that is the rule if you sneak on at the universe a lot no one cares just act like you

belong as you no one catches you sneaking on no one cares now if you sneak back to the lot with the utility vehicles and the get free gas pumps people of promise oh my god it's not again the most Jason he thinks you're scheming about a good free gas because you

know what I'm meeting it's gas meant for a four car tram but as long as they don't have auto shut on like they sent me as an intern to go fill up the gas of the car that's what you were yeah that's what you just higher it so much my husband worked on the lot when we

both first moved out he was a production assistant so we also would take the golf cart and go what was he on what did he do he just worked for like the the studios post a lot of running hard drives and oh yeah yeah free gas yeah they built out that

side it's by the bar room gate where they built all these additional sound stages and the super store facade used to be there there's I mean I get him free gas we got to get it somebody did you get us to drive on it was diesel maybe it was led I don't know I

just like to imagine the one that you like like you like you went on to the bar and side like got under the fence like glugged as much as you can and spit it out as soon as you got out of the I well I also got notes what I'm holding gallon of liquid when I was a

PA I had to go pick up like hard drives or paperwork or something once at these temporary offices a day after the King Kong fire and there's people in hazmat suits and the people in the temporary offices just had fans going in every direction that was your time to strike huh they were all distracted by the yeah they're they're they're they're they're I don't know why might we always get excited my husband and I love the fact that it has its own fire department oh yeah yeah one thing

you see to your up right before stage 12 year-end your way down exciting to me just a tiny little something it's like a Richard scary kind of yeah yes fire department you know what's what proves it's a real city you're like universal city that's cute but fake no no no there's a fire department it's like Disneyland as it's a fire to like like so there is like something to like even even even it was real or not I feel like it wouldn't matter just the idea that

there's a special one yeah yeah have you all seen the tray Parker Matt Stone video that they made oh the secret yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes black and white right it's a it's a it's an old film strip that with lots of candy big came you see more Steven Spielberg driving the tram

what because he's you know Bruce the shark pops out and he goes it's scary that he could you know that's like a non-plussed Spielberg doing like eating an apple the whole time it's already asked questions then come on between yeah it's so I love that thing so much

when it has it's a great piece of I mean I like great for the studio stuff but also like that it has the South Park energy and the tray Parker voice so like say that and which is like I just went to Kosovo Nita and man like to that episode and I I want to go they're so bad you totally sold me

it's so yeah I feel like I may have led to a wave of people which I'm so glad about and his voice is part of the magic of it I so it's so cool as a permanent spot that has that but I and since we did that episode I very recently in tandem with the documentary they have made it easier to go reservations are now open to the book I still can't imagine it's that easy yeah yeah with the 600,000 people who are trying to do it but there is a way I sound I signed up for the

founders club evening to sign up yeah and Evan sus are also signed up yesterday he said he did he said he listened to the episode and he did what you said turn the episode off and sign up great yeah because I really didn't want to be a part of it I it deserves to not be spelled it really like as there are surprises I mean he actually went especially black parts cave just don't do not if you haven't heard it already don't listen to what I said about black parts cave

you might you might get rewarded for your promotion with a second reservation what a rarest theme park technically because mine was a trade with somebody he said he was smart and set up a separate one a month later to even he nailed it so I do still have my yeah I have a backup but I don't know when they'll get to do it but well you got to get back to LH Gardens and do all this Oh yes what a time never again never again I just think with stuff like the

the universal video that those guys may I don't know just just finding other people where you're like oh you like this stuff the same way I do is so exciting yeah you know I think I don't know I mean I guess now there's more of the idea of like theme park adults or Disney adults it's more of a pop cultural kind of thing but just I don't know because there's something that is not I don't know like theme parks are never the thing that you think people are going to

find a respectable interest to have it's just not there's nothing cool about it exactly yes and you have to end it's I probably what when I was engaging with with the least was kind of like teen years 20s because like you need the currency of cool and cool music and stuff but if you get past that I feel like for me it completely lines up with like meeting my wife oh I don't have to date anymore all right well fuck cool I do not need to care about that once

so ever but it's and but I what I think what is great about is that like everybody who shares the interest are like such like fun bubbly people for the most part like everybody's like everybody does like it in the same way which is pretty like lit up it's I think it's a fandom that's there's

like miserable fandoms there's fandoms everybody just kind of like reads off a list and you see this okay good yeah I do too but I find yeah I think the fandom tends to be pretty like well on this thing was so cool I think the fandom is maturing and when I say maturing I mean there is more bad coming I think it's growing it's been growing a lot there's a lot more content creators were certainly part of that but then you know I there's so many different

once the rivers of America was going away in Florida a lot of people started popping up on my feet and I went oh this feels like you know what I should be proud of the fandom for growing up so I see all some some bad stuff now more often yeah because that is kind of success Star Wars has been a fandom for decades now and there's so many different pockets there's the resistance there's the first order there's different types whatever but this I feel like

oh my god it's Connie it's coming into its own there's so many different yeah yeah because ten years ago I don't even know I was I rediscovered all this stuff I guess in early Jason I won't get started going to Disneyland a lot again and I was like oh yeah this is cool and it felt so small at that time it's but now it feels like it's a big industry almost big enough for us for some to be toxic but that but that it that's that shows that's what I'm saying that's

yes and that's showing that overall there's more awareness about it and like Horror Nights has its own very dedicated fandom is especially Orlando's because Orlando's leans a lot harder into its own kind of lore which I'm not

super familiar with because I don't really I've only been to Universal Orlando once and it was to do Horror Nights specifically but they have like their park icons like every year there's there's a Horror Nights icon and often their returning characters and they're all kind of interconnected and

related and there's this whole like you scratch the surface and there's so much lore we did a podcast episode on it once and got so much stuff wrong and people were yeah and I realized that like oh wow this is really really really really important to some people I get it you know but yeah but

there's not a lot of the company is starting to be not only build out the lore but keep a record of it yes because there's it's mostly fan created the like when we did the episode about when Horror Nights was at Islands of Adventure and it's like oh yeah the Marvel Island was taken over

by Carnage in the villains like there there was so little video and photos and stuff you're saying the fans sort of are like where the they're the archive yeah they were the ones that kind of kept it going when it wasn't so like on the minds of everybody yeah and there I feel like Horror Nights in Orlando this year there's a lot more regional had their original house that very popular down there Orlando does a lot more yes stuff versus like oh this house was a

scary zone it was very well which seems so got upgraded or this is a this house is a sequel to the house from three years ago like it's really interesting I've seen people say we have to do an episode on those and I feel intimidated honestly it's intimidating yeah there's so many icons

yes and to what you were talking about it is hard to get a sense of the kind of correct like like the canon and timeline and stuff because so much of it's just fan documented and you'll find stuff that like contradicts itself and it's like I don't know you know I feel like I haven't been part of it

this whole time so I was an outsider trying to get a perspective on like what this kind of running stories it's so hard yeah if you haven't been there for any of it so you can't catalog like yeah I remember that was the vibe of oh yeah or like I have the opening ceremony where it's scripted and there's stuff that happens and yeah trying to find video of that that's this is like a 10-year project for us we'll be ready in the bring your air is yeah yeah yeah

yeah but we'll be yeah 10 years it'll take to find everything you can always do an episode on the weird like one-off houses like we spent a lot of time on that universal the Orlando Horror nights episode talking about the Undertaker themed house but it's great because the wrestler the Undertaker

yeah it was a WWE Undertaker WWE I know something that's like could be anything she I just want to make sure what is that about the profession in general what do you mean I'm also telling the list you know working man his name is Mark Kellaway yeah that's the real name I didn't know that

yes yes okay but what's great is I think at that point in time Undertaker was in his American badass era so all the best stuff he's got the like American flag bandana on and there's a video of him going through the house where he's still it's all you know he's

keeping K-Fa but is like yeah I remember when that happened and you know it's it's it's it's just go through it like it is a a diorama of things that actually happened in his real life yes because it's all his different eras yes and he's like it's like it's like yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah brother is lazily committing to the bit in that yes because he yes he he had an era and I'm this is I don't less well known he had an arrow where he just were like

jeans and wrote a motorcycle and it had been tannin and he wasn't undead anymore and it was his American badass era and he came out to either limpskits rollin or kid rocks American badass and it was not the best time to be an undertaker fan people were like yeah but we like it when he comes out of like a coffin and stuff like the fun like the non-salee you like it when it takes some 10 minutes to walk to the ring yeah there are druids when he comes to an entrance and the song and then you

whatever so yes that that is a funny I don't know what you mean when I was talking about the two thousands and needing to be feeling needing to be cool more that's what I meant I meant I was listening to American badass all the time American bad yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

what song very cool still cool honestly or ball with the ball you know the film director Fred Richter's his of a previous project well ball with a ball was a kid rock I'm sorry to tell you that was fuck uh-huh new metal and that

that I don't know who this new metal I don't yet kid rocks a weird I I don't I guess you could call this new metal I don't know I I just got that yeah yeah yeah yeah there's no you're right there's no metal in it per se yeah yeah yeah I never got into it because that's what my police list yeah yeah

in the late 90s that's our punching music and American that's the sound of them punching you American bad ass boom boom the police said rock and stone cold t-shirts at that that's probably why I never engage wrestling then yeah I

didn't realize it was a nerdy thing yeah yeah again the fan of matures you know the fan of as holly rx expectation there was really characters alike that the ones I like mankind was my guy I was gonna say yeah yeah make fully is like for the nerds for sure he he's one of the nicest people

ever by the way he does the horror convention circuit so at this point we've been a few shows with him and he's so sweet like yes he's just very jolly and the legit theme park nerd yes and always been there's like the him and the hearty boys and islands of adventure for us from 1999

really good wow wow okay I bring up an older land of thing but I mean I that I think I said most of what I was gonna say about psycho four but then that when that house was still up there and and the motel I don't think that you could walk through it for mases in the way we do in hollywood but you could apparently they I just watched a video that a brief clip of a show where it's the baits motel and in front of it hopping around our beetle juice and the blues

brothers yeah yeah wow so I would like to know the full context the the dense narrative the way they're like in the front yard they're just in the there in there just you know in the middle of the hotel courtyard there from room six and hop and I know that's all I know it's a two-second clip but boy

it spoke to me the other the other fact about psycho four to per things we've talked about before directed by Mick Garrus Mick Garrus oh you I'm sure you know Mick I do know Mick yes to me what jumped out of me is that Mick Garrus is the writer and director of the fuzz buckets

one of the worst things we've ever watched the show this was when Disney plus came out and there was a set there was a question of like how deep do they go what's the weirdest thing on Disney plus the weirdest thing may have been fuzz bucket this awful little creature it was so I'm not I this is the

first time I've heard of fuzz bucket to show you a picture of a picture yeah yeah you get a reaction on that and then like the kind of thing he says it might be a ring situation where like don't go out in seven like yeah be careful and trying to find a biggest photo what's the good what's what's Mick Garrus is he I think her's wrote he wrote his focus he did the the shining mini series oh okay Steven Weber and I think what else all right you just one of like

horror's elder statesmen like he's always at horror events he's very kind soft spoken and has very long silver hair like he just he's got kind of a Gandalf type wizardy presence where he's very wise and I'm still like I we know him at this point I'm always still kind of intimidated by him even

he's very gentle oh you gotta ask him about fuzz bucket I genuinely will next you really picked the worst one and you put you brought that up in such close-up on your laptop I zoomed in on my like so happy and so zoomed in yeah and then I don't it's like the copy of the

copy psycho premise I always forget what the whatever that now in my head the weird thing that he says is like hey let's get wet party boy no no what is it but it is we thought it is party boy I'm looking I have just search for my old notes about fuzz bucket to see if I can figure it out

this but I also feel like it's hang loose party boy or something like that but I don't think it's hang loose either it's I guess it's just how we doing party boy how we do we would have been right about party boy because we were I think in the episode we've done it episode on this I think we were debating like it sounds like party boy but that's kind of a weird thing for this creature to say yeah yeah because it's not like it like ET or something here's something

they're repeating it's just like this guy's calling this kid party boy yeah even a phrase like a familiar phrase I don't I'm gonna think his vocabulary as a writer is kind of bizarre because in a hoax pocus he's there's like Yabo's where

he's oh yeah I don't know when the movie Yabo's is some weird like that's what that's something Thor a birch says that's like it's almost like in back to the future too when the there's all these future slang terms that aren't real yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah like jerk or something to a kid yeah yeah

yeah I think it's like I think it's like her poluco I thought oh yeah I thought it was I thought she was like calling them jerks like a bunch of yeah you oh like did you see her yeah oh right weird weird up there he's again oh wow he's give him a little like over the shoulder oh yeah he has yeah he's a little yeah he's mischievous and he apparently also says according to my notes you love ice bucket gives mooch yes I wasn't expecting that picture to scroll down I

didn't know there was like a full body he's got the tail yeah oh it has this tail yeah yeah yeah this is we're kicking off a season of rights right this is some of the scariest images we'll see all month long he's again temporary of like mac in me yeah yeah yeah

yeah yeah sure little guys little guys like pre pre- around the time of Harry and the Henderson before warriors virtue that's what that's that movie right which was a no I'm talking about this is weird 1996 bomb 97 warriors are virtue were a bunch of like weird like wolf for

bunny they were like the ninja turtles but what if they were like rabbits or something like it sounds like like like a Christian like a card yeah you're not allowed to watch the satanic cartoons yeah yeah it may have been and I just wasn't put into that but like are they can

gurus we're in the zoo bully zoo zone we're in a right yes yes yes I know what this is did we forgive me guys did we talk about Michaelizer and fuzz bucket on that episode I'm we have to write I am 110% positive because there's a good though I don't remember what is it there's a

picture though well they were to he did an intro for it and fuzz bucket is in the video with him oh my god I'm assuming we talk about it but Mickey fuzz bucket and Michaelizer I am going next time I see me I'm gonna ask about this oh yeah I don't even like that well so he's gonna be

like why were you even thinking okay right it's like I it's not incorrect to say like there's it well there's been a new because it doesn't he plus is a new cult yeah yeah even if that cult is only 10 people and they were scared of the movie back to the like little guys era yeah yeah it's like one little guy or like a bunch of little like critters right you know or goolies yeah there was a thread recently online I should find it of all the different different

countries ET ripoffs oh my god and it was unbelievable because they all had different takes on the material and they all had different budget levels so some of them were just the scariest cheapest looking things and then some of them were the worst scariest things with a like oh they got some money to do this but there were multiple countries that did rip off ET's I should find it I never knew that's crazy enough I did do you have what do you have something

that you've stumbled across in the years of doing your podcast that's like uh nope not no fondness for this scared of this don't like this creature not really no fuzz but nobody nobody that's no I genuinely I just no I can't think of anything that I'm like super repulsed by I'm sure if anyone is

listening that also listens to our show they probably are like that this is me but okay well wait where do you stand on uh art the clown where do you stand on the terror fire David Howard Thornton is a very nice man uh he it's a weird thing because like it horrors tiny and we all kind of know each other because we end up doing the convention circus together so like the terrifying team is like the nicest most normal people David is but he's a professionally trained mime he's like

just a very like he's super sweet um and what's I have an art the clown story uh my the first time my parents ever came to a horror convention to like helpless table and kind of just see you know what the horror scene is is like

we were tabling next to David who plays art and the rest of the terror fire crew from like terrifying one and they were doing a like an in costume photo op where people could take pictures with him all dressed up and um that same morning my parents brought in like donuts and coffee

and they were you know they see him and cost him and they're like hey we know you're doing your big photo shoot as we brought you breakfast and he's being and I'm just watching him being so sweet to my parents they've never seen this movie but and I was like do not I was like do not under any

I'm like I'm not letting you watch it that nice girl you were talking to Catherine yeah she gets sawed and half like the long way upside down like you don't want to see it uh we want to watch your friends movie but that's the thing is like for my parents their image of art is just this nice he's like an actual nice clown they're sweet the terrifying movies I are interesting because the first one I don't like um because I think it's just kind of mean like it's a mean I don't know

if you any of you have seen it I'm too scared it's a lot yeah it's just kind of a meme movie um and it is the the director Damien is he's an effects guy so it is it is like an effects show case so that's what you're looking for you'll like it kind of thing it's very intense gore the second one

I think it's a lot of fun it's extremely graphic it is still kind of an effects showcase but there is more of a story in this one and there's some interesting like almost supernatural stuff going on and I just arts arts fun you know he's just having so much fun doing the most

fucked up shit you ever yeah I can't help but like it I'm also so desensitized at this point this is we go back and forth I feel like every Halloween season where like we were scared little boys and scared young man and then scared adult so we like microdose horror and stuff

but the convention where the small uh close knit community in the convention world coming like as fans of comic books and and professional wrestling is so familiar to me yeah like it's so recognizable where it's like I have a lot of respect for horror I see the craft I see the community

but I am very easily startled yes like having okay I did Bob a Duke working up to a pinhead in the eighth follows like using myself starting with thysal the TV glow gonna gonna do that next because that she'll soaks more spooky than scary psychologically taught or whatever yeah that's more like

existential yeah I handle that more than like a simple jump scare mm-hmm is I'm a fool I am I'm very easily like putting hands in front of my yeah really hard but fool uh yeah no it's uh I also for years of course was just like gremlins I was like this I've said this a hundred times in the

show this is a stuff film that I'll never see was the thought I had as a child I was terrified like like just ultimately yeah they look yes the ultimate little guys and then especially too obviously I'm just like this is a looney tunes cartoon was made to be a looney tunes cartoon

basically um but it is so it's like oh it's like going to a comic book convention when I was 12 and I'd be it's like they were right next to each other the comics and the horror stuff and I was just like this is for me this is not and you're like actually they're the same thing it's just

like sometimes there's like a gross cut yeah on on the movie or like in the comics or whatever like it's gross so yeah I was a very easily frightened kid like I did not like scary movies growing up and then getting into scary movies it was kind of a it was a weird like shift where I was like oh I

you know working my way up through like more more intense scares and stuff and kind of learning to appreciate them I found personally like I don't know empowering you know way what I was like oh I can like deal with this and I can appreciate this and I've come to really love it for that reason

it's a reason a lot of people are drawn to it is it's like you know kind of pushing yourself to see what you can handle and there's always the opportunity you can always turn it off you know this is what I would want to we Scott and I go to this is why we'll tell me he needs to do like three

mazes for it to almost like get his brain reset to it and feel the accomplishment versus just the terror or shock of it because that's what it took what took my wife to do and that's what it took me to do like two or three and then you go okay the scare actor is not going to kill me

mm-hmm and then you can kind of you get you're still like jumpy but you get a little calmer and then you do start to feel good about yourself in a way you're like wow look at me look at this yeah look at this little boy look what he's up to now yeah and it does you do feel like an

a sense of accomplishment and I feel like it is it is like a theme park ride thing like I've heard Tony back to talk about splash mountain he wanted it to feel like an accomplishment for kids sure so you make it scary going up because they really feel like they've overcome something and it

works that way in your forties walking through a dark house yeah with a bunch of people yelling at you like it's the kind of the same thing like and I and I guess maybe because it took me so long to do something like a haunted house it really I'll never I'll never lose that like little mm-hmm look

at me yeah I'm doing you want to you want to snoo you wanted to be a snooty little boy I did I did want to be a saying it took me forever to want to actually go to horror nights because I at a certain point I was like okay I'm good with horror movies I love them at this point it's my job but I'm still I have that mental wall or I'm like I I'm scared of people in real and like loud noises and real like people jumping out at me took me along to and then yeah once I just did a bunch it was

like oh okay you get a sense of like the rhythm of them yes yeah like you know what they're gonna be essentially described that yeah the rhythm like that you know that you know how often it's gonna happen you know it's you see it like because especially at horror nights they're running so many people through those mazes you often see the people in front of you get the scare you see the people behind

you get the scare yeah and you also then start to notice stuff as well okay that's obviously like you you after a while then we'll get impressed when they get you mm-hmm oh yeah I do feel like oh wow I didn't see that coming I have a weird I'll instinctively just like if it's scared

like oh great so you do see I you start checking it based on like I you trick me I'm a little know it all thought that that's and knowing a lot of people who like are really passionate about haunts everyone wants it to be fun you know there's oh yeah you know it's it's all fun no one's trying to

actually traumatize you except for that one haunted I don't know if you guys are familiar with this that like McKay me manner that they just oh yeah that like extreme haunt that now fortunately does not exist I think because we got sued into oblivion oh my god this was oh boy McKay me manners like

the nasty side of like the haunt kind of oh really thing yeah it was it was a thing where it was like one of those like immersive haunts where they can touch you and stuff yeah okay and this was supposed to be like the extreme one where the whole point was like we don't let you have a

safe word kind of thing oh I guess maybe I don't know this oh yeah it's very bad yeah this is terrible and it's and it's a shame because he really makes it hard for like other people who do the immersive haunts were again they they're allowed to touch you and stuff but

you sign waivers up the ass for those and those are like you get a safe word and that's the whole point is it can end anytime you want it to and I feel the frustration on you know those people's parts where it's like people think that that's what this is where it's like us torturing you

and kind of enjoy but it's like no that's you know yeah yeah it's so and it sucks that that because that one was so sensational and bizarre and that was the one that kind of got the reputation is you know what these things are like when that's just not this repetition is what I still think

just the insidious maze is going to be yeah that's it yeah there's no touching much he's gonna actually take my fingernails off that's what their waiver said that it might you might have your fingernails removed you might get a tattoo and you might have your teeth extracted

yeah no no no no no no I don't care for that it is funny now that you know we're saying this because like one of the first things the first year or two of me doing this I went to zombie joes the local horror theater immersive differently put out different productions with Eva Anderson and

it was we went in two at a time for this one a haunted was like a dark ride and we got in a little vehicle and when they pushed us around and then went into a room full of a couple naked people but that's the scare for you well yeah I think you're for that please um but we signed we we signed

it we signed a thing there's like yeah they can touch you and I was like that's not going to be crazy right and it was not but thinking about it back to it now because the last the last room we get we got thrown in a room and then all the performers like basically kind of come up behind you

and then on the sides and there's like a man in a devil mask and he's like started I just remember he's extroking he was face and then we just are like more and more surrounded by all these people but there was something by at that point that I wasn't so worried about getting killed but now that

you're saying like I guess I did sign a waiver I guess I could have it too for you to say for it or like this is how you get this to stop kind of thing it was pretty short I think it was like six to eight minutes I did with Jason Walner did it and on land and did it I think they went

together not a thing about it but I remember two would go in at a time and it would be eight minutes but there was some paperwork before paperwork said no say for it in the part for work I guess paperwork said no say for so I think I think they were they were like this is too short to even have it

you just got to finish it out yeah wasn't that one in north hollywood yeah still that's always where they've had so like there is a karaoke bar and the house a pies down the block yeah then like I feel like that baby takes out some of the like really big fear you don't even get a tooth

removed in a building near idle hour the big build a bar yeah you can get a tooth pulled out of with a pie's a no pies yeah it doesn't stop anybody from taking your teeth out good you're just trying to get through and you're like I can go to the new Randy's donut location

it's not like if you're all your teeth are gone Randy's ain't gonna be two phone for him well but if you get a raised one you can at least gum it he's right about that he never give up spirit of Jason I can just gum the the previous ten at eight salt fish and chips was a

little more reliable free with a little reliable texture wise yeah so anyway now I know we're gonna touch you what's that no one's gonna touch you on purpose no no I know it happens on accident it does it's happening and you can tell the performers like

but you know they flinch a little bit like oh shit you know okay I did I saw something this year the the day we went that I thought actually it was very cute there are these giant still performers that are like big crows oh yeah they have light up red eyes and they're really

cool looking I saw a woman holding up her hand like flat and I saw the crow pretending to eat out of her palm and I just thought it was so cute it was like it's just like oh giving him bird seed that's nice I believe there's a baby crow this year too oh I didn't see that I don't know

maybe that was that it like I think the giant stilwalker there might be a nest with a baby oh I did oh I did see the net yeah there's a nest with like an animatronic kind of baby crow in there I did see one of the big crows proudly showing off the little baby that's okay yeah it's very

cute yeah yeah yeah I can find this thread of fake ETs but I did find there's one like nookie oh nookie I know nookie yeah there was some like press around nookie but they're scared of a nookie yeah I don't like nookie off the bat maybe I would if I saw the movie but well let me go back to

Hitchcock like would you remember what age you all were when you first saw psycho probably film school yeah I might have been like college the first Hitchcock I ever saw was the birds yes scared that shit out of me I loved it yeah yeah I because I affair again we were a big Hitchcock family and

Nick Lodian and Nick at night set it up so Saturday nights it's Nick are you afraid the dark with air Alfred Hitchcock presents will be right after it so I would see that and then down at the universal they hit the Hitchcock show in Florida so we're like okay let's rent some of these

movies so we rent it psycho and the shower scene scared me so much from then on anytime I take a bath or shower I would lock the door which it's probably not great as like a clumsy 11 or 12 year old the faucet broken shot up my butt yeah we can't we can't but yeah that that scared like

until basically going to college and shared dorm bathroom like I was like oh I can't lock the bathroom oh yeah to get over it but yeah it's scary the sound too especially so yeah effective I think there's like the the story where they're stabbing like candle loops and stuff to make that

kind of yeah yeah well if we want some of the real intel about some of these things I'm going to bust out a document a sacred document I don't think I brought out for a long time this is I need actual official universal studio guide manual the secret from two that's a Jedi text oh my god

my mother and he's burn up yeah yeah how about this so this is I got the not only the real script at least at the time of how you're supposed to take people through it but then there's like you have a bunch of stall material you have the if you were to get stuck up there how would you and I

you know you're talking earlier about like your friend cares about the history of it I was reading all I'm like I don't think I got stuck up there in any it's not a place if you know the flow of the tour you're not getting stuck up there yeah there's not like an intersection or anything yeah no

there be nothing to wait for where you get stuck is when you're waiting for like uh we're trying to get into earthquake but the you know the other shams are ahead aren't through it all the way so there's no you would never get stuck but I feel like the people who put this together love the

movie so much that they're like we'll give them eight different big paragraphs they can read because I want to write it I I enjoy writing it so much it's it's fine I think the okay because I think the canelope thing is mentioned the sound you hear in the scene was created by knife being

plunged into a helpless cassava melon oh because now we have the type even now and Hitchcock himself held the knife for some of the close-ups I didn't know that um I was like you know syrup was the blood oh they love saying that yeah it's a universal classic because black and white so it was a

chocolate syrup uh I didn't know it was uh not anything he perkins that was that was if I didn't realize told I don't think I must have read this at the time um I just not in the entire scene it's not him he was in New York doing a play okay not him at all because it took days and days to

film why seven days of filming in over 70 different cuts him doing that play is why the end of psycho when he screams he doesn't make any noise and originally it was a okay pretend you're screaming will dub it later and apparently just in the edit they're like it's kind of creepy that he doesn't make any sounds so they just whoa yeah he was saving his voice for that Broadway stuff he was doing yeah yeah yeah wow um trying to get everything else jumped out of here uh uh uh uh boy so many so

many oh my you're not getting yeah lots of uh yeah this is the most like stir this is just a messy uh by the way Mike you referring to this syndrome on the show of like not this year not this year already I've punted the tram tour so many times and again I will say not this year not ready uh I'm really glad we've peeled off of this aspect of it but I'm I don't even want I you don't want to commit to next year I don't want to commit to next year but I've I really have thought about the tram

to end and like I mean because I think it's like a month long event is what I got away I think it'll it can work I believe we were talking about it the very beginning of 2020 of like maybe in a few months and then we're we laid by a world by pandemic and you and Aaron had a child yeah

yeah yeah there's always stuff so uh uh so again I will say not this year not this year but I would I would love to figure it out for next year so this hopefully this this documents getting some play and I can just read from the from the thing which I like to do uh uh because and this

actually brings up an interesting aspect that's no longer true of the the Bates Motel on the tour but that there's this hard pivot because for a long time they left up some of the huvill sets from the Jim Carrey Grinch oh yeah during Grinchmas you get a little song and dance you get yes

sometimes there were both of these things sometimes you would pull up get the little song and dance something else I didn't know about until it was happening in front of me and like what is that it was in the middle of a sentence and then like we welcome you oh okay they're shut up uh and then

you around the corner in the Norman Bates comes that like that's the live entertainment zone yeah the tour up there um but also for a long time you'd be looking at the Bates Motel and then there's like big crazy curvy uh thing on my bobs back there which sort of take away the scaryness although except those were getting real decrepit too yeah they were they were very sunfaded by the end yeah yeah cracking apart um I but you but you add to they're like well we got to help people transition

because that's a tough like how do you swing from that to from huvill to this uh the residents of huvill had to put up with a lot more than a grinch out here on the back lot they live right next door to Norman Bates I'm your editor too the most and then like little jokes you could do anyone feel

like taking a break maybe grabbing a shower which is that's the only time doing that job you were allowed to ask the guests if they want to take a shower yeah yeah yeah any other setting you uh would and should be fired at that point too I like years in like how many people remember that

there's a shower scene in psych I mean a lot but like is it 60 percent you I want to give people credit and say that it's like because has not the psychote has not like going the shower scene become like one of that like that's one of the fantasy anyone knows you know yeah yeah yeah guess if you're in the only it exists now as one of the only movies the way like time goes away all these bands are gone yeah yeah yeah I think that's that's that's one of the ones that's left do we think that it's a

deserved thing that psycho is like the one I think so I think I'm like a horror perspective especially it changed so much right right when you look at what horror was like before and after it's crazy I mean I took a class in college that was like the horror film 1960s so it's psycho to present

because it was such a big change in terms of like what he showed what he implied the subject matter everything I think totally and the fact that it just made America go kind of crazy especially right right the fact that it has become something you can watch with your family is so weird when

you think about the way that movie was received when it was released it genuinely was very controversial because oh and promote yeah it's like don't learn anything about it yes you will let you in and you don't you can't come in after it starts yep um that stuff that him that that has a bit like

this is like the beginning of the spoilers and potential yes yes and it was I just recently I was in Tampa for a horror convention and my husband and I took a tour of the Tampa theater which is a beautiful old like like a movie pat like a proper movie palace it's beautiful and I learned on that

tour that pre psycho specifically it was common to like because movies would play almost in like a loop all day so you could like just show up halfway through one and sit through it and then see the first hat like that wasn't yeah okay uncommon right and the reason that we have like you know

you get to a movie on time is because of psycho and hitchcock specifically telling exhibitors like you cannot let people in right halfway through because it's just gonna ruin they would just amply play move like the like the Disney land sound who he is yeah and I could I could be wrong but

my my from what I remember of that tour it was like yeah you buy your ticket price and you kind of you just want to say yeah it is always like the movies on like a theme park style they were just playing a loop of of something I've never heard that that's bizarre yeah wow jeez all right well

this is all in the history my my other like weird little kid I guess preteen kind of Anthony Perkins memory do any of you know about the book or film on the beach no yeah I think you told me about it yeah so this is a book it like this the book psycho it was the best seller and then

it became a movie it is a book about there is a nuclear war and the surviving remnants of humanity are the left down in Australia and they know their time the clock is taking the nuclear winds the nuclear winter is coming and I read this book in ninth grade I really enjoyed it I

forget why we read it in ninth grade I think we were doing like suspense and John rest of because we read and then there were none as well but the movie version stars Anthony Perkins and I remember being so excited when they teacher told oh this movie it's an old movie it's black my stars Anthony

Perkins and I was like guys did you hear that no one else gave us no one else gave us shit about this enthusiasm yet likely more interested in limpiscad and underte American badass on her day so this is like 1989 99 2000 and I the fool yeah look I I like dancing to Perkins in 1999 99

and mankind I liked all the I knew all the lyrics that limpiscates break stuff both the yeah doesn't mankind also like love his mom is nothing I forget that's part of his character initially man can he's not Mrs. Mrs. Mrs. Bowley's baby boy that's right Mrs. Bowley's baby boy Mrs. Bates baby boy

yes right initially the mankind character was a very tortured pulling his hair out hitting himself he lived in the boiler room and he had feud with Undertaker but then as I think he make himself talks about how mankind turned from that into a human muppet of like kind of a silly guy with a funny

mask with a big like dress shirt on top and he had a sock yeah Mr. sock he had his finishing move was the mandible claw and he had like this kind of leather strap around and he shoved in somebody's mouth and put like some sort of pressure like the idea was a pressure point on your

tongue or something and just knock you out or whatever and then that turned into he put a sock with a smiley face on his hand and put it in somebody's mouth and it was Mr. Saco and they sold Mr. Saco's you would pull it out of his pants as like sweat pants he was wearing around that time we have an

autograph Mr. Saco that is very very cool I forgot the other the more recent Anthony Perkins fact his son Osperkins director of long lights yes the recent film I didn't know that the black coat stutter he's done long legs is definitely like his best I love long legs I'm excited he's got

another movie coming out that's a Stephen King adaptation called monkey that I'm really looking forward to uh yeah we got to this was very cool and is humble bragging I apologize we got to see long legs very early the neon the studio contacted my husband and I'm like hey we want

you two to see this first wow we're like yes yeah hell yeah and they're like we may pick a theater we'll set up a screening we get there and Os is there Os came there to meet us and tell us about his movie and he was super cool and afterwards it then hit me like that's Anthony Perkins son you

know what I mean it was just a weird like and he looks so much like his dad and then I also thought he was in legally yes he's pretty good yeah that's the fascinating filmography for short yeah but I I think it's a cool like he's really like you know I think it's cool that he's really made a name

for himself as a filmmaker and and then the afterthought is oh yeah he's Anthony Perkins you know it's the dream yeah for it yeah he's like really transcended that kind of you know to where it becomes trivia about him like he's also related to so and so similar in the harjot where Joe the

very sassal writer Joe Hill Joe Hill yeah he's Stephen King's son oh okay what did he what is he written I'm sorry the black phone like oh yeah yeah the black phone yeah um I'm can't remember I'm learning all about all the kids today yes yes uh as perkins also he's he is

Norman in uh yeah he's young Norman yeah wow psycho four that's the ET get what's that actors oh Henry Thomas yeah do you have I'm fascinated by this because like I feel like it's the quentin Tarantino or something interview where I he was like psycho two is better than psycho one

do you have any what you're like most controversial takes on movies in this in this in this vein of like a take like psycho two better than one which is hilarious oh boy I like psycho two uh like like the horror and yeah yeah I get that I mean if anything in general but is it one where you're

like you know what like jaws five is actually the best I genuinely on ironically like human centipede I think it's really good okay that I am a little scared to watch that one too I've done human centipede where it's it's so insane it's like it's almost like yeah it does the same thing

that I love about um Texas chain saw massacre where your memory of it is that you saw so much stuff that you didn't see because it's like filmed to where it's I don't know I just think it's they're both very clever in like the way that they obscure things and hide and it makes it makes you fill in all the gross stuff right then there's the human centipede sequels that are like fuck it we're just gonna show you we're gonna we're gonna do what you thought the first movie was and that's right

right process let's see how I didn't I haven't seen the other ones do you do you find out too much about the digestive uh yeah and I get you know it's yeah it's more about like here it's a series of like just shocking yeah well isn't also isn't the the the surgeon who I think is fantastic it

I mean I'll go back and just like yes less though like true horror of it and more just watch him like explain the situation is what I'm doing but then doesn't buy by a couple in isn't it like yee ha I'm the sheriff now yeah I there's like the big there's like I think the third one is like it's a

giant prison complex I don't know yeah I don't really do you think there if you were imagining like I guess it could be any horror movie like a human centipede maze at horror nights something like you like would that be something that makes sense or is there's another movie that you would be

like I'd love to walk through I think a Susperia maze would be really cool just because of all the colors and stuff the problem is like so many movies that I think oh this would be a cool maze you realize how kind of like we are talking about with a psycho themed walkthrough of the hotel it's like well you just have like a bunch of Norman baits like what is that you know yeah how do you have like constant stuff instead of when mall out of movies are like building up to one yeah or there's one

villain or like one kind of set piece it's like well how do you you know like something like ghost busters works well because there's all kinds of yeah yeah ghost and stuff I guess it's more at knots at scary farm there was I forget which maze it is I feel like there was one maze where

there weren't a lot of jump scares and I couldn't tell if it was because everybody was on their break that happens sometimes yeah you catch it made at the wrong time like we went there there was we walked into a room and it was clearly supposed to be something happening and it was just kind

of empty it happens yeah when it was it happened well Scott just look for uh some mazes they move people in and out in black cloaks if I hang out at the side see a lot of close go if you look for the shift yeah if you can hear the dinner bell ring that's when

everybody has to go eat dinner if I can smell fajitas yeah that's why I banned from heart I'm sorry that was the best the one time we were we were talking to people at knots very farm and like uh we're back you know backstage and just walking

by a tent of people in the makeup eating their lunch like eating like yeah it's like it's the magic of Comic Con where you'll see the flash villain captain cold going to the bathroom yeah yeah and it's like that is what I love about Comic Con that was a legitimate startling moment we were in

an office building I went to go to the you got scared you got three yeah a werewolf came out and he went oh excuse me like you like you like you like you like you like you like you like you like help the door for me it was just a guy using the bathroom before he went back to work just a guy

just a guy just a guy well that's quite I would that's why I was scared just a guy just have a guy my husband I just did a set visit or something I can't say what it is yet just in case but we were at crafty and the monster the the thing in this movie uh his stunt double who was also

fully you know in the full get up walked up next to me was also getting coffee and I was like this is this is like the studio lot experience that you want you know what I mean like a monster on break was so exciting yes casual monster so exciting yes feels well what we're saying that you

go on of the lot and like nobody's around and you can't which is makes it cool that you can just hang out on amity then right I I want uh uh facades to be wheeled by like I know I want a bunch of show girls yes I know that there hasn't been a movie made with a bunch of show girls in decades but

yeah yeah I know that's the that's the dreams they're making a radically different movie every genre yeah all kind of these stages I know yeah that would be really I'm at least trying to think like yeah they're using the the flood scene for something and they're shooting or what

what was the dirt technical term for the flood oh the flash flood yeah uh huh that's in big fat liar yes it's kind of hard to do you can kind of only use it as itself I think it's hard to write a scene where a flash flood happens organically have they ever have they ever died that red or am I

am I making that up that would be cool because the blood flash flood sure you could that's a her it's a huge effort they die the lake in Chicago green for St. Patrick's Day that's a lake yeah yeah so they should have a blood flood they should have a blood flood that's a million dollar

title right yes well probably more than a look a million yeah I would do the four all right great all right blah right and direct blood flood and then we're gonna you're right now don't we're talking about you like I should the my controversial take blood flood three and I will declare

I will have written and shot blood flood by next year I will declare that we will this year you will yes I will commit to this going into production to on blood flood in the next few months a good goal post you can get that done and that's and Jason Sheridan is a star of blood flood

a very good yeah very annoying when you're using your blood flood concept to do money laundering yeah this is going to be movie never gets made yeah this is a big it'll be a big scam yeah we like a big Kickstarter scam oh yeah we've all given money to big scams I love the people

they're like I need money for a movie and then five years later I go huh yeah I need money for an escape did I get the money back I don't think so I need money for a new identity huh first of the long f**kers city yeah what are where they are now okay all right well

looking forward to blood flood yeah the blood flood mind of my car I said yeah what have we missed anything else about about the aspects of the psycho experience or the house has no has Norman ever been in just the parks or is he always over here yeah that's a good question I don't I've

never seen him in the parks and I've never seen I've never seen him walking around the parks like but I guess I mean what's the like Frank sign Dracula they're still around I saw them I saw them a couple weeks ago they look funny no matter where they are in the park you know

there's not like a good spot for them like they'll be walking around like we went during Grinchmas and they were like right by who will which I like the lot yeah yeah it's it's all it like I think recently either just on the sort of the main street but then like the mystery machine

and Scooby Doo game are like you'll see a strike wearing a sand hat yeah I like when they interact when yes I do I like it yeah me frankenstein and they just have a conversation and character but I want yeah I wonder if there was any Norman Bates ever walking around and if that would even be

identifiable outside of the front of the hotel because he is just a guy like when they did it was videos of was it Loki from where they had a Loki face character walking around but it was him from like the show so it was just a guy in clothe like it just looked like a guy that kind of looked like

oh and it's so right right right yes yeah yeah Loki and all the different outfits yeah yeah right but without the horns it's not so I didn't know the guy with the knife you know yes um because like they still like Lucille ball is still in the park there's still a woman playing Lucille

ball and I guess that's more identifiable than Norman Bates at this point but that is still old don't look don't dress like that but that's still that's old still I am impressed Lucille is still in those parks because it's one of the only things left she's been dead for many decades now at

this point I don't want her to go away don't get me wrong you know me I want her there forever but I am shocked that that she's still there so I what yeah I wonder if that was ever like the man in a what kind of a suit I guess you would call it like a brown suit yeah when it's translated to color

in real life it's like a brown suit and a blue shirt right obviously it's all black and white in the movie um Scott I wanted to mention you I know you're usually the John Forsyth keeper the universal souvenir videos there's these old video yeah there's these melee mouthed intro is for

all actor John Forsyth movies are the wizards want so there's the one for the universal Hollywood the one for universal Florida and I scrubbed the Hollywood one and I was hooping like there's more modern like whoopier or something they would have been men as by Norman but John John Forsyth

did not go around with Norman Bates what they had with him he was in front of the psycho house and you saw the hitchcock silhouette graphic and then it slid away and John Forsyth was standing uh sideways and then he was like I've heard a hitchcock in the magic of the movie so there was no

Norman Bates John Forsyth action unfortunately um I that that's a shame I I did just remember though there was a video I I was just trying to remember what the general just of the what what does Norman do when he runs out right yeah and it's you know uh it's bit like you maybe see him for a second

possibly before he comes out with a body uh it feels like Janet Lee and then puts it in the trunk cool car they got yeah that's it's all set up great um and then he kind of spots the tram I think that's the last thing I like about it is that you're a part of it and that you're like

your witnesses now right he's like it's not arbitrary really that he's coming after you yeah um and then the you know you get just like a good fast walk that you know maybe you probably get the biggest scare in the back because maybe yeah yeah he swipes at you then just kind of stairs

and it's still scary even though nothing happened I remember like one time we rode the tram and I made a point to kind of look and see how long he stares and it's he watches you pull away you know he's yeah you don't get a reason yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah they they're all committed

everybody who does this it's it's great uh there were I have seen variation some he reaches into his code and pulls out a cleaver and starts chasing the tram and what I don't think they've done in a while is that so he he may add dogs a tram tram goes out the hill he runs up the stairs and

comes after the tram again I haven't seen that scared the hell out of people but I think it is a little dangerous to run that right up steep stair steps with no real yeah and that's like us that's a steep hill yeah yeah yeah dangerous seeming stairs yes true that is scary I had that

happen once and then it's never happened again yeah and I'm always like a little bit like is he gonna be there like is he gonna be a tarp and an hour yeah wow all that it's cool a stab it's also it's also it's also comes out of the house okay sometimes it comes down the steps

I feel like yeah I have oh maybe I haven't seen the house I think I hate to be logic police but it is funny to think about Normandy's okay in reality what's happening he's killed a woman he's putting her in the trunk in the middle of the day yeah looks over there are 150 people looking

what is his plan he's gonna run over and stab all hundred people very fast yeah he does not have a lot of time with one single knife with one knife so he's gonna run over and then yeah I don't know he does I don't know if he has a second like I don't know if the narrative he actually is

getting us I guess he we just narrowly get away yeah let me see you'd have to and you'd have to come up with this plan really fast and you I don't know his working knowledge of the universal tram tour because I know the reality where this is it I assume it doesn't go by his house in this

world every five minutes I would assume that but yeah I think you'd have to go for the driver first to get that thing to stop more the tires oh maybe it is tires that maybe that's what he's doing yeah a lot of tires though you're you're probably right but well if you get one that might stop well

there's a little while I feel like to dig though it was a regular knife through a big thick tire you're tired because you just you just stabbed we know the scene he just stabbed gently yeah he's made me tired he had to change out of the mother costume right right too he's already done a wardrobe

change right oh maybe he's cool down he's cool down though yeah yeah he's in a different outfit maybe like because in the movie the the reason the baits motel is so empty is he complains like you know they built the highway so no one comes by there anymore you think right pretend look

all these potential customers to fill the rest right yes oh yeah yeah oh yeah yeah yeah he might be in his best interest to just like throw the knife away yeah yeah and then say she's she uh passed out from hot tub fumes right she was enjoying our amenities too much she'll be back

around in no time you'll see does Norman ever kill in the first one he's always wearing the mother outfit when he kills yeah yeah yeah I don't think there's ever because he's wearing it even the end he has just the wig on or something yeah there was equally equally scary scene where

the private detective um the telling me the technical or broke out of the house yes yes yes yeah yeah but like it's overhead and norma runs out of the room so fast yeah yeah scared the hell yeah yeah although I was just trying I was trying to figure out of maybe he doesn't kill the tram because

he's not mother but at the end of psycho two he hits he kills his real spoiler alert he kills his real mother with a shovel as dressed as Norman so I guess they in continuity he kills then just dressed as regular Norman oh sure so I'm just trying to kill us yeah yeah I'm just trying to

piece together exactly where he is in his life in this moment yeah yeah yeah what his plan might have been he's killed yeah right so he knows he kills as Norman but that's but this is biggest challenge this is like when deadpool and Wolverine have to fight all of the deadpools oh my god can

you imagine like a action sequence where Norman kills 150 tram tour people in like slow mo and just blonde women pull up on the tram like oh my god he has the easiest time that's what he's used to this USA pageant rolls off for something like the bus of all the leucies in rat race

of like Marilyn convention sure yeah that's really good he looks at camera like no this I can do yeah like dubstep music plays or something oh the theme remix yeah oh yeah there you go yeah uh huh okay so that it would be very funny to see the property manager the universe back

like I like oh Norman yeah he's a little strange but he hasn't been the same since the universal hilton insured to know and it took away the business it's in canon yeah yeah yeah that more room sure but none of the charm I'm gonna have you deliver that line in blood flood about the care

the main character of blood flood oh okay who I haven't figured out it yet but you'll you'll be managing maybe managing the hotels I don't know I'm not sure yet yeah nobody comes to see my downhill road anymore Jason all I know is that Jason's character is gonna talk about hotels a lot

that's all I know oh yeah a lot of hotel talk and he knows that like right back of his hand yeah the thread count on sheets and then the different amenities and the why are all hotel bathrooms barn doors now you know the whole scene about that I know what actually you know what that's what

causes the blood for you know what do you think about the barn doors Jason well I do okay um this isn't coming out for a while now but the air condition at my apartment cracked out oh no I heard him this yeah in the same heat it'll be away from our nights yeah and the the

bathroom door is normal but the headboards on the beds are born to and we were talking about it's like I'm okay with it I'm more okay with this than the barn doors as we have to have some privacy you know I I I'm fascinated I didn't even realize this barn door thing has been taking

the hotel road by storm yeah we're like the door slides open it's just you have to if you're staying in a room with someone you better be like pretty comfortable pretty good yeah okay well keep an eye out for it yeah where barn did well that's a that's an update you have to make in a new psycho what

Norman would have to have a barn door in the motel you have to have one new line yeah recently renovated got a barn door now coming because there's no sound you know oh that's the things you could hear everything with the barn so it's no you see your fiddling with it's just like you just

hear her cursing and it kind of yeah yeah it's like it works it murder deterrent that yes yeah it's bad the remake but it's good for us and it's good for you in the heat situation that you're less like with you with the fear that you've had since you saw the movie you were so much

less likely to then all you have to do with is that you a maniac with a knife who you've heard and now have to fight oh yeah you've done a couple more seconds of of a lead time yeah at least you can get the jump on it yeah yeah and we figured out a slam that barn door real quick good

crushes face try to get that weird tal rack above like the back of the shirt get that on the wall that uses a weapon oh yeah well this is this has been such a blast so much to talk about your psycho and beyond I guess we can say Chelsea Rebecca you survived hot cast the fright thank you

for kicking off I can't think of a better way to to kick off the series and thanks for bringing all your your knowledge and fun this was so much fun thank you I'm so happy you do please come back anytime let's exit through the gift shop anything you'd like to plug you can find me over on

dead meat on YouTube and dead meat presents that's where our podcasts lives among other things like we have our for nights live streams and like different interviews with people and yeah what is the in and kill count is the city like the flagship series that is on like the main dead meat

channel we had to do some finagling with where things live because the ever changing algorithm we have to appease it true the true horror in this world now kill count of psycho is there's not that many really there's like a ham yeah yeah you got like the detective you've got

uh the obvious the shower scene um I mean the mother is dead right in the you don't see the events of it yeah yeah but you are looking for eyes yeah yeah yeah yeah but either there's one more I can't think I haven't seen it a little I forget I know it's been a minute since I've seen it I

forget if the boyfriend lives or not yeah Vigo Mortensen big one so where's crazy sure they all went to like iguanas the like retro yeah all right ever that just took the cast like all right here's 20 bucks everyone by the cookie shirts you can yeah yeah yeah I can't you're making me

want to I can't I want to rewatch the moon I want to watch it too I want that's being said to remake the psycho two now it's better than elephant delivery uh well thank you so much for video what a blast Josie and uh for us for three bonus episodes every month check out podcast

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