Area Loops with Kevin Tully

FOREVER Gentlemen. The transport you be- Butterfly. We take It's Ariel. Welcome to Podcast The Ride, a podcast which would be a perfect musical area loop for a theme park called Dorkland. I'm Scott Gardner, joined by Mike Carlson. Welcome to Dorkland, to all who come to this. Loserish place. Go fuck yourself. Jason Sheridan. No lies detected on my end. Great, great. Dark land is your land. Your age recalls. What the hell is all that shit?

He's phrased it so weird. Could we prove the dorkiness by how well do we know the opening plaque or whatever? Not the plaque, but the speech. Here age recalls... It's a nonsense phrase. I'm not going to be able to recall it. Here age recalls fond memories of the past. That's how people talked in the old days. Here's a question. Was Walt a dork? He has all the trappings of a real dork. Maybe by the standards of the 50s. Like being a man with a job and a parent who has any interest.

anything that he enjoys in his life. That was the definition of dark. Other than sleeping or cumming. Other than that, if you like things, or you know tons of scotch pouring right yeah so okay liquor as well but yeah that's yeah i do think he is a dork coming in i don't know you can have a lot of interest coming in the door slamming it You mean like yelling behind? Yeah, yeah, uh-huh. Creating the air when you come home from work of kind of like...

too angry to talk to so kids know how to keep their distance and not go in that room. Eating some unseasoned food while you enjoy cigarettes. An unfiltered cigarette. Yes. Ashing and mashed potatoes. Yeah. These are all the interests of a well-rounded 50s man. Yeah. So he was... I'm just trying to think of what was a 50s dork. What do they look like?

Like a poindexter, like George McFly. Okay, so like just standard dark. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Walt presented as traditionally masculine, but he had secret dark tendencies. I said he was... It could be... Not secret, but... There may be an argument to be made that he was the inventor of the door.

Oh, maybe. That's a good point. He certainly, whether that means him or whether that, just that he set up so much dorkiness. Right, right. Which we are a part of that tradition. He's a dork pioneer. And then his interest in trains was just straight up masculine at the time.

Nothing weird about that. Now, it's a little weird. But at the time, that was just standard for a man of a certain age. Well, if it got a bunch of black goo all over your... face and arms oh right how could that ever be considered dorky you were covered in soot after dealing with your favorite hobby good to go covered in the soot uh you can read all like science fiction like dime story

but you have to be covered in soot to not be considered a dork. Oh, if the books had a bunch of soot. Yeah, well, in your face. It's spreading the soot on each page that you touch. Yeah, it's as simple as smearing some grease paint. like on your face or your arms but not performatively you have to it has to happen organically it cannot be a performative gesture like you said you can't smear it on yourself in the act of reading the books you have to get covered in soot or some sort of crap okay

You don't agree with me? I'll fight you on this. Alright. I'm going to argue. I want to argue. What if it's performative but you're enjoying black and white scotch and like an unfiltered Chesterfield while you do it? Okay, that's better. And if you're drinking a glass of soot, then you're really a proper 1950s man. Let's cut to the chase here a little bit, referred to in the opening joke. Today's episode is about... area loops.

I'm so happy to say this phrase. It's been said on the show here and there, but to finally have it be, an episode title to be focused on, to be fixated on. This I feel like is long overdue. Let me give the quick dictionary definition at the top just so we know what we're talking about. I think this is a thing that a hardcore theme park dork definitely is aware of, but for a lay person or a slightly less invested person.

Area loops are just basically, I mean, there's so much more than this, but the fundamental, I would say, is that it's the background music in a particular land or area in a theme park. It is the musical soundtrack. to a theme park zone that gives it its auditory flavor, that sets the genre of what kind of place you're in, what kind of feeling you should be feeling in this zone of a theme park.

And we're going to focus in on this and talk about some of our favorites, talk about what makes them great. And I'm so happy that this is coming to us courtesy of our guest, who is a very musically minded person. PTR listeners first met him as the avatar, which helped us transport Nick Weiger to the CityWalk Orlando parking garage.

uh but in real life he is no mirror blank slate avatar just waiting for nick weiger to fill him why he leads a vast creative life including as the lead singer-songwriter of a great band called Telethon, whose new album Suburban Electric is available now.

He also has already performed a hell of a mic drop right at the top of the show. He's made PTR history because he is the first guest ever to bring in his own version of the theme song. You have already heard this at the top of the show, so you have heard his work. Now you will hear the man himself. Please welcome Kevin Tolley. Hello. It's great to be here. What is happening here? I'm so happy to be here. It's a pleasure to have you, particularly because there's this phrase that is thrown around.

friend of the show or friend of the pod, and you have certainly become that and more. It's been such a pleasure. Yeah, for sure. I mean, you know, from helping us out with a true... theme park podcast pioneering move of the avatar program uh to close out the saga but also just like getting to know you just like you know, via

DMs and chats through the years. Sending trash to you via text message. It's all I want. It's all I want to happen and I'm so glad we have that cooking. It's wonderful to be able to share crap with people. And have select people to share select crap with. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's really important. And you've like, I think you've found You have this relationship, certainly I think with Mike and I both, I think you straddle a lot of

Mike and Scott interests. That's true, yes. We, the hosts of the show, who sometimes cannot find common ground in certain areas, you are able to be, you cover the common, you become the common ground because you're able to, you know, because now we've gotten to hang out in Orlando a couple times which has been wonderful but you were like you will both

wander the liminal spaces at the Swan and Dolphin, the Locked in Time, admire the never-changing carpet of the Dolphin Hotel, but also visit Jelly Rolls with Mike and be enthusiastic. at Jelly Rolls with Mike. Yes, and we should say you were at Jelly Rolls with us one of the nights that I went to Jelly Rolls on this recent trip.

So, yes, you were doing a lot. You were doing both things. You will talk to Scott about some sort of obscure, I don't know, session player, but then also you'll spend a long time talking to me about when will stephen page rejoin the bare naked ladies is it possible are we going to have to deal with it Steven Page-less Barenaked Ladies forever. I think we are, sadly. And I think you're right. I think we are, sadly. I think we've come down to that. It seems like he's happy where he's at.

I hope that's true. And Ed is a good-natured pilot who used to write music we like. In case you know, Ed is the one who raps on One Week and Stephen was the one who sang and Stephen left the band many years ago. And Ed is still in the band with everybody else. I always thought the drummer was an...

Is the drummer Ed? That's Tyler. Tyler, okay. I've got him mixed up the entire time. What's Ed's last name? Robertson. Ed Robertson. Okay. Like what game show era? It's like I knew that name, but I think I always thought it doesn't, I mean, it sounds like a drummer name. Ed Robertson? A little bit. Tyler Stewart is the name of the drummer. He's the silly one, I would say. As often the drummers are. Would you not say there are multiple silly ones in the Barenaked Ladies? Wow.

I would say that the ones in the band currently are silly and the one who has left the band Was a little bit less silly, but still a little silly. This is a big question I have asked then. Okay, I cut to the core with that question. You both did it like a...

Well, like... This is painful to real B&L heads. Mind... Like a group... Mind... you know we've discussed like are there people that go to be baronade ladies that don't even realize steven's not there and i think the answer is yes the answer is all the touring band this is always the case i can speak from

beach boys fandom i think there's tons i think maybe 70 of the audience at a beach boy at a current beach boy show don't know one iota about they don't know who brian wilson is right i don't know that he's not there

They don't know the drama that occurred. They just think, wow, it's them. Who are all of those nine men? Must be all of the guys who sang Surfer Girl in 1962 with no drama or changeover. And what percentage of those people that go to current Beach Boys shows are like the pitchfork type people who are like Pet Sounds is the greatest album of all time and it's like hipsters who appreciate

It's not a lot. I honestly think it might be like a 1%. I think there's an in-between. You're in the 1%. Well, I'm not in the 1% because I don't go. That's the most elite I've never seen. We have an agreement that I think if they're still touring in a decade

as the Mike Love Beach Boys, then you will go see them. I forgot that I made, I don't know, when did I make that? Was that a year ago? Okay, so nine years. We have nine years to go until he has to go and see them. Wow. This is like a high school or college friend. are like, if not- marry each other a lot like that yeah um So, yes. Much nerdier and in pursuit of by then and almost entirely AI, the 95-year-old man. Oh, man, at those shows, all the audiences.

Hey, does anyone have a Lipitor that I can bump? So, yeah, Kevin, you like the 90s crap. You like a lot of mainstream 90s crap. Absolutely. And that's where we bonded, especially. Yeah, that's how we initially bonded. Yeah. So it's good to have somebody to talk about Adam Derwitz with and Stephen Jenkins. You keep saying Derwitz. Am I saying it wrong? Derwitz.

Yeah, I knew that. Even I knew that. But it's okay. Wait, you've never known it wasn't Derwitz? Don't feel embarrassed. What are you, Jason? You texted it to me and I let it slide the other day. Ah, in text, you think that's text derwits too. I feel like that's one of those where I knew that was wrong at one point and then I forgot. I said it without even thinking, so... Or I just never know it. Even though I watched the full Rick Beato interview with him.

I should know it. Another name that we used to say wrong. I stand by that Rick Beto is a musician. He'd be named Beto. It would make sense. And Robertson sounds like a drummer's name. Rick Beto is the ultimate drummer's name. Rick Beto is like a Star Wars.

side character's name like it would be in the cantina and have an action and to clarify a George named Star Wars character a new character would never be named rick beetle but george would have named somebody that in 2005 no problem true um and you're right to your joke jace i think you need to start a practice it's only fair that you start

I think maybe just practice it once, asking a very leading question of your co-host, which is, Adam, what? There you go. Oh, yeah. This is your chance to have a bucca. A bucca to what? Batpow. Yay! Mike, what is it? Dura. All right. Now try it again in four months. without any prep or we'll see if he resets. Okay, Pepo, got it. Jason, I need to find crap to share with you now.

i have crap that i share well we were talking earlier you did share something with me yeah you were asking if i had seen topsy-turvy and i was like no i don't know if i've seen any mike lee movies but topsy-turvy is about Gilbert and Sullivan. That's right. You were the first person I thought of when I watched it. Fortunous timing because there is a pirates muse like a re-imagine Pirates of Pirates of Penzance musical on Broadway.

And you know David Hyde Pierce is playing the modern Major General. Is he? Yeah. I love David Hyde Pierce. Wow, wow. I'll tie that into some nerddom I have, which is that, like, That's crazy that he'd be doing that because he sang that song during his SNL monologue in 1995. With musical guest live. That's my guess. In a certain era, I can typically name the musical guess. That is a thing where it's like, I didn't know that in the front of my mind, but I knew it in my bones.

Yes, yeah, yeah. If you had to guess or if you'd been a writer at the time and you had to write a monologue for David Hyde Pierce, that may be where you would have gone. Yeah. Now I'm just, I'm going to be upset if it's not.

David Hyde Pierce and live. I think so. Yeah, because I feel like it's no... the Mulaney pointed out uh uh Patrick Stewart's Salt-N-Pepa but it's but it's not so you know to have like a it's always good when you have the like you know verbose like the more of the like esteemed stage actors saying a band name ladies and gentlemen live I do remember that it is like very very well delivered any feelings about live either of you

You know, what's the single? What's the live single? I Alone or Lightning Crashes. Oh, right, Lightning Crashes. I mean, I like those fine. I never got into it. I'd be willing to, but I don't have too much.

uh uh too many thoughts i i listened to throwing copper the album that has both of those songs like a lot yeah um in about 2014 i don't know why i was like throwing the album art of that album is exceedingly ugly it's like really ugly now this i gotta see it's like a throwing oh my god yes that's a great tip it looks like kind of a like a Like the...

art of an actor that would be on a brown derby type restaurant. It looks like somebody was trying to do that for Marlon Brando and it went horribly around. It looks like AI art. It really does. It really looks like weird AI art. Yeah, yeah. Produced by Jerry Harrison of Talking Heads. It's a good album. It's the precursor to, like, a lot... I think the sound of Throwing Copper became... something really terrible that we all like.

you know like butt rock type sure sure i think that live was the precursor to that a little bit but that that live album actually holds up pretty well transcends that where like your your your your creeds you might say kind of like started playing in the gutter perhaps yeah perhaps diverging from the path the righteous path of

butt rock and it's yeah so it's not live's fault live did not live if maybe only accidentally they created butt rock yeah that guy had an interesting haircut too but i think he's bald now i thought yeah i thought he just had no hair perhaps like a pony like a

Like a bald with maybe like a ponytail behind? I might be thinking of somebody else. Oh my god. Wow. That's a rare one. How do you do that? No. science shouldn't allow well that's good though gilbert sullivan is a top yeah i was thinking well i feel like in terms of music i feel like it's either gotta be it's like uh confident female rap that jane listens to and therefore jason so it's either ice spice or it's like

hello my baby hello my ragtime gal yeah it's a song michigan j frog would have sung uh yeah that's the jason music well and i'm sitting over here and i was trying to figure out like wait did David Hyde Pierce sing Gilbert and Sullivan on The Sims? And I'm like, no. Sideshow Bob in the Cape Fear episode sings some quick hits of the HMAS penivore. And then David Hyde Pierce is Sideshow Mel.

Sideshow. Huh? No. Sideshow Mel is the guy who's always around. Sideshow Cecil. Sideshow Cecil. Because Frasier would have been home. Did Gilbert and... Maybe this is a spoiler alert for the movie. Did Gilbert and Sullivan ever have a Robertson-Page-style breakup? There's a little bit of that in the film. Do you just mean a breakup?

Well, I mean, not specifically to like a drug arrest that led to some problems and then the band sort of broke up after having a children's album. A Playhouse Disney Cruise on a ride. Is that true? Yeah. Oh, hang on. What's the story here? We got a lot to get through, but let's do a condensed version of the story.

I don't think Gilbert and Sullivan had that kind of breakup. They definitely had tiffs. And if I'm forgetting a major plot point in the movie, I apologize. I've watched a lot of Mike Lee movies the past two months. There's an arrest. then they made a children's album i think they made it before that but then they're supposed to go on like a tour

And that kind of gets derailed because it's kind of weird that one of them got arrested, blah, blah, blah. Also don't feel like Stephen wanted to make that children's album. And that's the whole thing. Then they do do their Barenaked Ladies cruise that they had done a year ago. for a year or two before that point. And this does feel related to Gilbert and Sullivan in that big ships are involved.

Much like the HMS Penalty. I believe the last song they ever played together outside of the Canadian Hall of Fame induction is Call and Answer. which is a video I watch every few months the final performance which is a really nice song and then I think really the nail in the coffin is a lawsuit over the Big Bang Theory theme which Stephen feels he didn't get the right amount of money for that. He is on the track. I believe Ed says he wrote it himself.

Once that show becomes the biggest show of the decade, you probably start thinking that money no matter what you did on it. You need to get your residuals from the Big Bang Theory. If there are any to get, God knows you'd love to get it. Which I did. I saw Big Bang Theory

uh beer naked ladies with my dad and brother in atlantic city in like 2013 2014 yelled at you for not knowing stephen was not there you were very oh that's so when you made that kg joke you meant you're the guy you're staring at that was the first thing he said was like stephen's not there

but the crowd obviously first off my my brother and i were the youngest people in the by many years and this was a very seated concert this was not people standing up uh but they like real quick transition from one song to the next and did the big bang theory And the crab will hate it. Yeah, of course. Yeah. So anyway, they're playing. I have, and much like you, I've not seen the Ed Robertson Bare Naked Ladies. You get it. All right. Well, in 10 years. There's a chance I will see it next month.

though at the Greek theater. Is Fastball or Guster opening for that one? Both of them I think are on the... I could be wrong. Both? I think. Goodness me. Which is really exciting. You're going to have to get back out here. Really excited. That line of really excited my mother. Mike is reclaiming the phrase get him to the Greek to be able to.

him going to see the Ed Roberts and Ferdinand plays. Get him meaning me to the Greek. Get me to the Greek. Him and his mom. Yes. With other people. That's sweet. In a reasonable amount of time. Minus the extremely cursed stars of the film. I shouldn't say cursed. That implies that they got hit by a curse that caused what's happening to them. I think it was more their decision making than a...

But who knows? I don't know what happened. I don't know what magic amulets there are. Did by curse you mean the power of Christ? Oh, you did bring us amulets. That's right. We're probably going to have some amulet talk. today i feel like some of these composers definitely wear some big yeah yeah either own them or are interested in them or inspired by the idea of them but i don't think possess any of the toxic qualities of uh Musicians Diddy or Aldous Snow.

Who we all know is the star of Get Into the Great. Let's start heading into the music loops direction. And I'm so glad you suggested this, Kat. You know, you obviously being a musician yourself as evidenced at the time. Thank you for that. uh you played us this before we started recording that is a brand new this is a new dimension to coming on the show putting your own stamp on it and i i love that theme it's amazing what

two hours to kill at your Burbank Airbnb will do for your productivity. That's a magical piece from being two hours. Happy to do it. Speaks to your talent. But I feel like we were talking about a lot of things and we landed here and it did seem like the thing to do. Maybe just a tiny bit more. I mean, I think it's not like the headiest. concept but I do like that we're doing kind of like an overview of area loops before because what this does now

is free us up to maybe do an entire episode about this loop. Oh, yeah. Or we do a commentary. This might work for commentaries.

play the music and talk over it as opposed to a commentary something where you need a video but basically you know it's the background music to a you know a land or the entire park or even an entrance plaza or a hotel or even a a shuttle or a bus it's just you know it's it's the background music that plays in a theme park area it's i feel like typically they're around an hour long and they just loop all day the rest of the day although

always, as we've seen with recent theme park fair. But it's really become this big area, I feel like, in the YouTube era, because there are channels that allow you to check these out and archive them. There's hundreds and hundreds of these. youtube and we can we'll talk about them and play some of them um but was there any particular reason or philosophy why why of all the topics to uh to talk to us about why this and not uh the reasons for the bare naked ladies demise well

It is something that I feel, the aerial loops, I believe, are sort of inside me at a, well, at a deep level. They're in my blood. And loins. No, like ever since I was a very small boy like being nerding out on the internet about Disney World like these have Loomed large and soundtracked, you know much of my life And it used to be very hard to get them. And now we're living in a golden age of YouTube.

availability for these things. It's so insane. The importance that used to be placed on a soundtrack album that disney would put out like oh my god they did a 25th anniversary of disney world album which means i can finally listen to this track this track whatever you know that this epcot music the music from you know, a big thunder, the line, whatever it is, and you were just waiting on those morsels.

And I remember being a kid thinking like, if only there was a way, now that we can burn CDs, why isn't there like a way that you can just go burn a CD in the parks of any of the music that I would want? And now it's like, this is, like more than available. to us for free do you remember the kiosk where you could burn cds okay as i was saying it i was thinking am i not pulling this from whole cloth but rather faintly recalling that there was a thing of this nature they were kiosks whoa

Where? I didn't know this. You know how they have the Art of Disney kiosks in various stores where you can pick paintings? and it will print for you in any size is it disneyana in disneyland when you first go in on the right yeah yeah and that's where they have like statues and stuff but then they also have a kiosk where you can basically like order a print posters on them and it's yeah exactly but they had that i don't know exactly where they were but uh they were kiosks

in various stores just like that where you could hand select tracks and the funny thing is I... impossibly have not impossible is very possible through the power of BitTorrent but I have every

file that was ever available on a folder. And there's some obscure stuff on there. Really? Stuff that is like beyond what these YouTubers might find and post? 100%. And that stuff's not really on there. Like the stuff that we would... want probably is like a lot of it is not on there but if you want like a clip of you know, Ben Franklin and the American adventure, like, Being like, I assure you, these glasses are not rose-colored. Like, you can get that sound bite on a CD. Of course I do.

It's the least ham-fisted jamming of a fact into dialogue I've never heard. Send that to Jason, Kevin. That's what you're in with him. I'll send you the file. Ben Franklin dialogue. I knew about the kiosk. I learned about them a few years ago. I never saw them. I do remember pulling stuff on my tunes in like local college dorms.

And I would, like, flip out if there was theme park stuff. But I remember being... Would you find theme park music in the dorms? Yeah, well, because you could see everyone's audio collection. Did you not, like, just go straight to that, just try to find the name, go straight to their door, and if a woman asked to marry them? Okay. There was, I was at a friend's dorm one.

and it was just a bunch of us hanging out and we were we were all fiddling with that and looking at it because not everyone knew like there was a new version of it out and there was one with like tons of theme park stuff and i was like trying to explain to her i was like Can you download this stuff and burn it to CDs for me? And the reaction was pretty much...

No. So rather the opposite. This became a wedge between you and another person. As much of our theme park fandom all was before meeting each other, before the vast wave of theme park fandom. has grown right over the year now that we all together live in dork land i think this is a particularly like topic for the real theme park heads too like yeah i don't really

get excited about hearing It's a Small World or something, like the songs from the park. Do you know what I mean? I don't mind them, but I don't listen to those.

almost every you know a couple times a week yes uh what you're it's more and not without giving away some of what we want to talk about it is more like okay there was this there was this track with just this odd bubbly like uh like some bubbly synth that was kind of uh like a little bit cheesy and embarrassing but like really did it for me when i was a kid and was probably like

track 4 of 10 in the queue of Horizons or whatever. It's that sort of thing. That's always what we're after. And some of the YouTube loop People have had to reconstruct stuff. Or then some of the stuff you're listening to and you're like, I think this is source audio. How did they get this? This is a big question I have. Where did these all come from? How is there so much of this on YouTube? You gotta stick a microphone in a bush.

Or going to like the bathroom and... You think that's what happened? No, I mean, I know that the speakers in the bush and the speakers in the bathroom are like great, great ways to... mainline the loops. Hi, the last time we were in Orlando, okay, there's original audio in the port of entry restaurant. by Seuss Landing. And I went in there to use the bathroom and I just heard what I thought was an argument.

I came out I looked around and no one was in there and I realized like this is source this is original audio of people arguing. But I didn't want to be a creep just recording with my phone like in a bathroom. What was the argument about? I don't know. Wouldn't it have been like a very character-y type of argument? It was character-y and I thought... i think you will not be voyaging today what are you doing you crazy woman it is it was something like that and i was like what

What is going on out there? The seas are much too rough today. That's why I shall use my flying machine, you see? Whether or not you believe it is possible. Jason, like all this couple's really having a hard time getting along today. It started innocuous. and I thought it was two people arguing and then I came out and no one was in there and I didn't want to just I didn't know how long it was.

but i i have not been able to find listener if you know what i'm talking the islands of adventure port of entry specifically the seuss landing side confisco grill and seuss landing i don't know if it's residents of port of entry or the The imaginary cooks at Confisco Grill arguing. Oh, could be. Yeah. It could be a soundtrack that is character cooks from a restaurant? And that's something they made and pumped into the bathroom? Is Confisco a guy? Well, I assume Confisco is the little statue.

deformed man that's outside of Confisco Grill. I always assumed that was Confisco himself. I think so. And then you get a lot... This is your perfect guest for the show. The fact that you were referring to the little statue of Confisco. He has an oblong head. Something that has stumped me.

Jason is all, and again, this is what you guys text about. He's announced every statue. Well, there's lots of good statues. There's the J. Jonah Jameson statue and the extended queue for Spider-Man, which I think they really use. Dr. Doom's throne, right? Yes. His empty throne. I can't. What you have described is so obscure, I cannot find a photo of it. Look up Confisco Grill entrance. A lot of the Confisco Grill pictures outside of it used to be that giant Seagram's mural that is gone.

wait i see it now okay there is a guy it's like a all right he's like bending in an odd way can i see his i i think can you turn that toward well it's it's one of a zillion photos on a big old on something called the stylish foodie.com yeah That looks like the guy. Does he not have an oblong head? Is he holding up a menu? Yeah. He has a nose that I don't care for. And does he get along with his wife?

That's my question. Does he yell at his wife a lot? Yeah. Because maybe that's what you were hearing in the bathroom. He's got too sweet of a smile. He can't be the fighter. Those are always the worst. Oh, that's true. Big phonies. The same. Yeah, yeah. Okay, but let's start digging in a little bit. And this is, yeah, I know that this is a big area for you, and I assume it may have an influence on you as a musician. I imagine, like, do you listen to these things?

when you're just working out and about trying to be inspired. Yeah, I do. I mean, especially with so like. for the band stuff telethon like that's more power pop i find inspiration listening to power pop records But for a long time, the aerial loops were good because they didn't remind me of anything that I would ever be able to create. They're like weird. They don't have the same sensibilities.

melodically as I... So for people who haven't heard your band, it's not particularly the sound... The sound isn't reminiscent of... a banjo instrumental of the Davy Crockett song. No, or like new age music, like our ambient type music.

the music I make is much more i don't know it's it's more structured and we don't find it comfortable to stay in one musical place for like a long time and like be meditative or whatever like we don't do that at all we're moving from place to place so listening to new age music as you might find on these area loops um not all of them yeah but many of them like was always kind of nice for me too listen to music that doesn't remind me of anything I'd make.

now i have dabbled a little bit in making more instrumental new age music as you did in the show yes yeah yeah yeah and there's there's like a project i sort of have cooking up that may never get finished but um Yeah, I'm kind of trying to do that with recreated synths from the... from the 80s.

Wait, I don't want to spill the secrets of your unfinished part, but you have described this as that you're trying to do music for an imaginary Epcot pavilion. That's right. Yeah, I've been privately... quietly working on that since like thanksgiving uh last year and i don't know again i don't know if it will ever get finished but uh you heard it here first yeah i'm kind of trying to make like a sweet spot like 19 minute

movement of instrumental synth music and I looked up like the synths that all the people on some loops will probably be talking about soon. were using and that they used on those albums and I downloaded like the official recreations of them and I've been just sort of So, like, that thing I created for this, that was in the tone palette of those recreated synths of actual old school because that was extremely, as we'll, you know, get into, and we bonded over this style, but it's very...

Epcot of that era. and it's one of the we've we've discussed kind of the like chicken or the egg of it all like do we love this kind of music because we grew up going to theme parks or or do is it like an inverse We love that kind of music. And then it just deepens our theme park appreciation that that kind of music was around. It gives us a new wave of theme park fandom. Or is it really like...

You heard this song when you were eight years old, and so it's drilled and it affected your music taste forever. in a way that's permanent. You never really know. You never fully know. You can't know. It's certainly part of it. Yeah, yeah. It's gotta be part of it. It's gotta be. I mean, I for sure have, like, responded to pieces of music because I'm...

that feels like something that would have played at Epcot. Yeah. Yes, of course. Yeah. It happens. Yeah. I think probably the average person that goes to these places don't realize how much that is. I mean they don't notice a lot of it and like how much it's actually adding to the mood of it just because

I mean, some of the stuff I'm going to play probably is more like a real, like a traditional song that's three minutes or whatever. But still, some of it is very background music-ish. And if it wasn't playing or if it was a different song, it would really change. Like, we were at Universal. a couple days ago, and instead of the big soaring Universal theme as you walk in, they're playing three Billy Joel songs. It does change the vibe. That drives me nuts.

Billy Joel specifically, or just the rock and pop songs at a park? I think music with words in general at theme parks, like as background music in theme parks, kind of bugs me. There's a section of Universal Studios Florida that play i know that one of the songs on it is pinch me by the barenaked ladies and although i like that song i'm like what is this doing for the place making of the right of the park it bothers me and it's distracting and i think the best

The best theme park area loops in background music is contributing to the theme, but it is not distracting. Yeah, that was a really good point. Yeah, yeah. If it's attracting your attention too much of the regular... yeah then it's not just you know it should be similar to just like the details on the on the awnings and like you know like like the aging of an old building or the paint of a new building yeah i was kind of going back and forth on that because i looked up um

Just in case there was any crossover, I picked some alternates. So I was looking up Hollywood Studios. And it's a lot of instrumentals when you first enter, but the loop I've found for specifically Sunset Boulevard, which is the... the road leading to Tower of Terror is, like, all, like, old-sung standard, like Andrew.

top standards i know they play maresy dotes on that uh loop like maresy dotes and dozy dotes he's spinning that thing that thing constantly yeah number number number seven spotify wrapped yeah but i can't remember if they have so you heard words though Yeah. Well, that's what we were talking about. Begin the beginning. earlier all right and i forget which it's a song that's been sung performed by a million people to even uh i forget whether it was julio iglesias or enrique

he has an immersion more recently than World War II, I mean. The broad strokes definition of a recent. Yeah. By the way, just the phrase, we were laughing about begin the big ween. That's something that Fraser and Niles would do. Yeah, not to be too on the nose, but we were... Oh, what a fit of laughter we got into that day. Begin the beginning Gilbert and Sullivan beforehand. Well, this is, I think, what makes this a very good topic.

for us, for Podcast of the Ride also, is that how much it appeals to everybody. specific niches and interests because like within the three of us the hosts there's very like extremely divergent musical taste and vibe taste. But there is a place for all of us within the world of theme park area.

Absolutely. Yeah. So I guess I'll go ahead here. I just have a couple things. I have a little bit of a platter, a sample or a platter of things. Yes. Oh, wait. And we should maybe say, yeah, we've all picked one. to focus on. One that's always spoken to us. We want to turn into three. So the premise was to do something and then Mike broke the rules. Well, we had one again before.

This is all out of control already. Yeah, this is going to become a Steven and Ed thing real fast. Whoa. How long did the Bernicke Ladies last together as a band? 15 years? 20 years? 20 years. Probably. We've got a couple more years to go. Ladies point, yeah. Some of these things I have here are what we're describing in the background, but then one that I really like is more of a loop of like rock and roll.

I'll save that with lyrics. There's a place for all of us. Whether you like rock and roll music or rock and roll, you have a place in the Disney parks. Yours, though, have lyrics, but makes sense. in the plays of like a nod to mid 20th century. And this is kind of I think this is really up to the individual yet. Do you want

Do you want songs with lyrics? Do you want popular songs? Is it distracting to hear popular songs? I feel like, and then sometimes I feel like the majority of these are instrumental. uh but that doesn't mean they're always specifically composed for the area although some are and this is a big thing that's kind of trumpeted when a new area opens like the heat is on new you know because in galaxy's edge you got

New area music by John fucking Williams. Sure. And then in Epic Universe, the music is a huge deal. I mean, so much music. I have thoughts about that. Good stuff. Oh, interesting. Okay, okay. Should we, let's hear a little bit of mic and then let's, because you've like, well, we've been and now you've been.

So, yeah, we should talk about, you know, the present and future of area loop music shown through Epic Universe. I have thoughts, yeah. Great, great. We'll talk about it. But Mike, where are you taking us? For what area are we looping to? Yeah. Wow. So yeah, it's just, there's a loungy eye to eye. You've got to get into the chorus. Let's play and talk. Let's play and talk. Wait for the chorus here. I wouldn't like a pop. This is one of my...

Yeah, we are not, and you particularly are not like only the- There is an era I gravitate towards, but I'm open to, I want new ones to be good. And I think this Toontown one, I mean, I noticed it last year when I went into Toontown to ride Runaway Railway. I instantly was like, this is a new loop I've never heard before, and I found it on YouTube, and I listen to it all the time. It's so breezy, but I don't know what genre it is.

it's i said loungy but it's kind of fully like lounge i don't know but it is like it's like my tongue that is not coming but like if you put vocals on that it's very breezy very happy And they picked good songs, like Chippendale, Rescue Rangers is on there, Eye to Eye. There's Mickey Mouse Club, and then there's a couple from the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse, which are, they might be giant songs.

hot dog and the mickey mouse clubhouse theme which many parents know but i don't yes i know it now the show's been on in the house lately but i didn't know there was a there might be giants they do well because they compose the theme song to the daily I wish that was on. Did they? Or did they do a version of it? I don't know. That's because I thought for a long time, I thought they did.

Oh my god, Jason, you never said that to me. I know, I know. I would have hit you, I would have smacked you in the face. That's some common, like, goofy music crossover, Bare Naked Ladies, TMBG. TMBG, I think, was Daily Show and Malcolm in the Middle. right yeah they did i think they may have done a new version of it at some point it's by bob mold I don't even want to attempt. Is it Husker Du or is it Hoosker Du? It's a Hoosker. Okay, okay. Hoosker Du, I think. He's in the band Sugar.

sugar which is a really good band okay yeah wait but tmbg wasn't involved with the daily not the original but i think they may have done a version okay yeah and then of course the timberland remix that accompanied the show in the uh later 20 cents right Something I noticed about this toontone loop is like I think there's certain bands do this really well when you get to be a very virtuosic musician you start filling in the spaces around melodies with

uh is spicing things up and adding flair yeah um and you can only do that really when you're really feeling the groove and steely dan was great at doing this i think my beloved fish is really good at doing this and whoever is playing on this toontown loop like every little thing that your ears want to hear. ends up happening or they end up plussing it up and doing something.

exciting with it. Sort of filling in all available space. Do we have any idea who did it? Michael Rubino. The Toontown Tuners. That's what I was going to ask. I researched this. This is on Spotify as they uploaded this is a rare area loop that's been uploaded like as an album to spotify by the toontown tuners But the composer of it, I looked this up, was Michael Rubino, who was just a hardworking film and TV and video game composer. Right.

how would you feel if you assembled this great uh ensemble it seems like it's a small ensemble of musicians like and you know these are probably people that need jobs and need work and this is a really good thing to put on our portfolio but it's just credited

Only as the Toontown tuners, there's no names attached. It's probably something he's all too familiar with. Right. I had assumed working in all of these different... areas yes yeah yeah i'm not saying that makes it right i'm saying credits yeah yeah it's probably if you're if you're listening and you're a toontown tuner great job because i have everything instrumentally going

is great um yes and and i've mentioned this before on the show and i don't know if this is available but if you go back and i spent a lot of time in toontown recently i do believe this music is part of a really nice reinvigoration of toontown in addition to the new ride that's there obviously i also have a child that likes to be there now so i'm in toontown way more than i ever was but there's a cool thing that happens is if you go into the back by the caves,

There's even, like, quieter versions of all the songs playing in Toontown. That's fascinating. I'll check tomorrow. And explain... Oh, yes, please do. Give us the report. But, like... It's not just quieter volume. It's rearranged. That's interesting. What does that mean? Less instruments? Kind of more of a lullaby-ish thing. You can go if you're sitting because there's benches under in the caves.

It's a really nice place to chill out, kids or no kids. There'll be some kids running around back there, but like it's completely out of the sun and there's like really like... quiet version so you walk from wherever in the cave and walk out into main toontown and then you hear like this version now playing you keep saying cave What cave? It's like a fake rock.

In the back of Toontown, there's a cave. It's what used to be the Chippendale slide. It's like all the way in the corner. It's the full corner of Disneyland. There's fake grass. back there. The kids love it. There's fake rock.

And then there is a bunch of fake rocks. I mean, it's not a cave. You can crawl into it, but it's a bunch of fake rocks, and then there's a bunch of benches in the back there, and you can completely get out of the sun and chill out for a second. It's still loud, but it's different arrangements of these songs.

And it's a very neat little thing. That's beautiful. That's beautiful stuff. And there have been... area loops that came out in the past couple years that I have been less than happy about but there are a couple that have been really good and i'm encouraged to see that one of the most recent additions to disneyland has a great loop like this yeah if you had to say something about something that you don't like and you don't you don't have to

put a piece of music on blast if you don't want to but could you describe what like how do because it doesn't seem like there's a lot of areas in which these can go wrong, but clearly they do. What is in here? What do we think makes it bad? loop besides it just being like a bunch of uh uh hits from 18 years ago although mike might be into that though too mike would we're walking through magic mountain and then like bruno mars 13 year old bruno mars song six

Late period Eve 6. I guess 18 is longer than that. Yeah, I don't know. Can you conjure any specifics of what makes it disappointing? So I think, and I don't mean to put this on blast, but World Discovery, Epcot, you know, all of the stuff that used to be Future World, like they made this big deal about this. a composer named, I think, Pinar Toprak, I don't know how to pronounce it, but she composed this new loop for that area.

And I went day one to hear it. And I was so excited. I was like, you got big shoes to fill, Pinar, which we'll probably talk about later. But as I got there, it's very beautiful. the music is very very beautiful and pleasant to listen to but there's no it took me a while and i finally found a melody that i can kind of cling to but i couldn't sing it to you right now and that drives me a little bit crazy because there's a recurring melody in this like epcot this new epcot loop and

when you're hearing it over and over again you're like oh yes that's that's the melody of this soaring beautiful very no complaints about it but like I can it's not memorable and I think that there are I think that a singable, I think a lot about singable solos and like singable instrumentals, like you should be able to remember. the melody and be able to sing it.

Yeah, as an aficionado of 70s, 80s jazz, which we touched on here, I can't remember what the name is or it'll come up in a mix and I don't even remember who the artist is. but if I can do the basic melody that at least is the starting point, that's something. If it's just pure noodle, then it's probably not going to stick with it. It's kind of true of film scores, too. Is that at the very entrance of that?

It plays all throughout what used to be Future World as far as I can tell. Like where Walt's sitting on the stoop. Yeah. I feel like people were kind of mixed on that when it debuted. Yeah. I feel like

And maybe they were like pulling it back or like they put in classic stuff or mixed it up or... Every time I've been there recently, it's been playing and I've gotten used to it. It just... generically beautiful whereas i think that the music that was there before had some serious character and yes well there's pieces i think that'll come up for both of us where i might admit this is a little goofy

What you're listening to here is a little bit... Yeah, yeah. Not that kind of goofy, but it's a related kind of goofy. But the, like, I might go... like oh it's like cheesy right but then it like you do remember it it does stick it's like not afraid to be cheesy right which i always admire right instead of just sounding like every um inspirational section like

inspirational film score for every movie that's come out like I don't need that in my area loops like they they use Disney's been using like they've been compiling these ones that are compilations film score. The American President song. I do like that. That's a good one. I like it too. I just wonder if that's what you meant. That's a little bit where it started because people love that Soarin' Luke.

yeah which is not on my list i like it it's pleasant but i think they took that and ran with it and i think they started only using music that they have license to because they use the same damn saving mr banks track oh yeah yeah yeah and it is nice to listen to but it's not When they were willing to pay for the music from a movie they don't own, it ends up feeling like Disney, even though it's not owned by Disney. It's worth paying for.

uh um mike do you want to do you want to play more to not like well you know what i we've realize this episode is going to be three or ten hours long three or ten hours long uh i was going to shout out like frontier land but i mean we know what it's like i was going to play a little buffalo gals for jason but Let's not do a lie. Come on. He's champing at the bed. Oh, he loves Buffalo Cal. You're not going to play it.

And this is from Cars Land. No, this is from Frontier Land. Oh, it is from Frontier Land. This is from Buffalo Gals in Cars Land?

It's the Dusty West. It would make sense there. But I just, there's, there are a lot of like songs played in Frontierland that you we met davy crockett all these different things but it really i don't know i just as i've said i like hillbilly nonsense the older i get and part of it's from wilco but as part of a lot of it is from going to disney Any theme park, you know, Knott's Berry Farm, you need an Old West. town that is just sort of part of it and a little

small things we've gone to over the years. Kevin, do you understand why there's a straight line between Wilco and the music that Mike increasingly listens to, which is like, oh, dingle, dingle, banjo! Bob Wills and his Texas Playboys. Yeah, I think there's some early Wilco tracks, and then I think... Is it the most recent Woco album? Cruel Country you're talking about? Is it the second to last? That's the one with the song about a skunk that gets stuck in a barrel.

I've never Googled something faster. They started as an alt-country band. I would say they still are there, but it's AM. AM is a big old country. Yeah, that's probably most country-ish. Being there, though, maybe has a little more, because it has, like, Forget the Flowers and stuff. That's true. A little more, yeah. You're right. It's a little more acoustic country like what you just played. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And there's a little country of B&L as well. That's right. So I got a little of it in there. But then going into like Frontierland and all these different places over the years, you know, you hear all this in the background. Critter Country had a really good loop. Like the Splash Mountain Q, I remember I used to listen to that a lot. Don't listen to it anymore. Okay. That's good. Those are the rules. Yes. Except for sometimes. That's when you do that Russell Brand voice again. Right, right.

but yeah it's just blue it's like bluegrass standards and like in some cases I think there does Frontierland have any it's all times of the of the era I think they don't have any like you know you don't get eye to eye bluegrass no i don't believe so no yeah that's all pretty good and that's probably coming but Yeah, well, Frontierland's going away, I assume, in the next 10 years, too. So we'll see.

Well, it's kind of, I mean, whatever in Disney World, there's going to be no river there. And then I assume the Hall of Presidents' days are numbered in the next... But that's not Frontierland. Yeah, I guess that's not Frontierland. But I feel like all of that is going to go... until it just turned into IP land. They paved paradise and they put up a parking lot. I think the idea of Frontierland has been on the table for going away in general.

Do you think they don't just at least leave up the fort? stores in Country Bear Jamboree? Maybe. I mean, maybe they'd be out of the country bears. It's just a little section there. I don't know. I don't know what it looks like in Florida, especially because of what cars does to that whole area. I must say, I am excited about that. the music of Cars Land is good.

And it's not dissimilar to this as well, Cars Land and in california yeah well do you have some cars land i don't i do i do i do but not the not the stuff i'm talking about okay i'm talking about halloween cars land overlay oh yeah i love California Adventure at Halloween. the purple lights i say in every other episode the purple lights unlike by the carthay is really great but cars land itself during halloween is my favorite and they have a full

We did an episode last year about different Halloween songs. So they do play Monster Mash. They play Love Potion number nine. But they play stuff that I had not heard until I went to Cars.

So they have, like, I don't really... Is this a genre that you wish that there were, like, you know... was a year's worth of music that is like songs about ghosts and zombies that's correct i do i do wish that um but they've got other bobby boris pickett songs like scully gully hello slightly less good versions of That's all I want. Well sure, yeah. I think so, yeah.

So there's that. There's Buck Owens doing Monsters Holiday. Didn't we listen to Monsters Holiday? Not this version. This is Buck Owens doing. Oh hell. It's good It's better than Scully. Pond music. Yeah, Lightning McQueen and their Howie. Yes, have you been but I don't remember. I don't even really yeah I should say I have been like Haunted Mansion Holiday is going with that. Like when I go tomorrow. Oh, that could be in Q Earl. Yeah, yeah. All right.

but this is great but like I think you know what is important with loops when it comes to like I'll call this a pop song or rock song If you can get stuff that people aren't that familiar with, it can then make you still feel like, oh, I'm in a different place. Obviously, it sounds like stuff I've heard before.

But I think that's part of some of the loops. If you can find obscure stuff. Yeah, and things where you feel like you can only hear it in this place. Characters we love because you only meet them in this certain ride.

It might pull you out of it if it's music you associate too much with something you know that's not in a park. So I like that about it because there's a full hour-long loop, and most of the stuff I don't think is common Halloween stuff. But it evokes... the imagery of halloween costumed cars yes with eyes and it's and it's similar to the music they play during tires that are turned into moaning faces of the dam yeah right i do like i like

That's worth an episode of this Hauntcast season. Oh, Halloween. Isn't it called Halloween? Yeah, I believe so. Some of them are dressed, the cars are dressed as Pixar characters as well. Oh, right. but the lights in there are really fun. That is a nice hang during Halloween. The cars are dressed as Pixar characters? At the very least, there's posters where they're dressed like Woody and Buzz.

yes or is it like car parodies of hocus pocus or something i know i've taken photos of these and i don't remember what they are there might be a christmas too do they like is it like yeah uh is it like Old Doc starring in a parody of the Santa Claus. What are they? Cheech Marin. Cheech Marin. car to be dressed as like Frankenstein. I don't want him dressed as WALL-E. Well, Luigi and Guido could easily do the monster's thing.

That's fun. That's true. Someone's a vampire every year. Mater's usually the vampire. He's purple and he's got the cape and stuff and the fangs. It'd be cute if Mater and Lightning Queen dressed up as each other. Sure. I think that After everything they've been through, after the twists and turns of that friendship, yeah, that'd be the ultimate sign that they got along.

Yeah, they actually are. Here are the cars. This is from a couple years ago. Maybe they haven't done this in recent years. But here are some cars dressed as Woody and Buzz. So the cars know... Okay. Well, yeah, because this is established in the credits of Cars 1 because they all go to see drive-in movies that are car versions of Toy Story Bugs Life and, uh,

One of the other ones, Monsters, Inc., I don't know. And then the truck that's voiced by John Ratzenberger points out that they reused the same voice act. That's fun. You can't complain about that. I like that truck. yeah it's a good truck got a toy of that truck in the house so never mind when that comes out so you have a couple i think of the cars when they sold the cars toys where they're all star wars characters oh yeah and i think luigi and guido R2-D2

If they're not, they'd really drop the ball. Yeah, I mean, unless they're dressed like Jar Jar and Boss now. That's the other big Star Wars duo. That would be really good. I have that stitch that's General Grievous. from the old days is that true yeah yeah i have a stitch toy because he has multiple arms right so i have four he has four lightsabers yeah and that's yeah that's on the highest show that's on the like that's that's a daddy toy

Yeah, it's in a box somewhere. If Bobby Boris Pickett was a car, what kind of car? Like, what do you picture? Oh, oh, um... Like if a car was singing that beautiful song we just heard, like... Gully Gully? I don't know, old car is well enough. I know, it's really a bad idea. I mean, is it obvious to say a hearse? But a classic old hearse, you know? Probably a hearse, yeah. A Studebaker? The rest of the year, a Packard. The rest of the year is very long, very wide.

That's why I know about old cars long and wide. This is why we gotta get Jay Leno on the show to teach us more about old cars. But as always, recording in the Burbank area, he may crash into the wall. at any time. Possible. You can find those too, Frontierland and the Carsland Halloween playlist. There's on Spotify, but then they have them on YouTube. We should just link to all these or throw them in the show. Our little special ones.

Is there more that you want to play? No, we should move on. I mean, there's just so much to get to. Those are just great little shout-outs. I'm going to have that Buck Owens in my head for sure. We have passed the ox to Kevin. Kevin, very.

to dig into it must have been a tough to pick you pick this episode topic and then how do you narrow it down uh a favorite within hundreds it was painful for sure to do that um with some back and forth because i thought you said one and then the answer yeah yeah i said one what i said was the wonders of life loop which is not ultimately what i picked but for anybody wanting to get in wanting a primer of like new age music from about 1990 1991 ish

Wonders of Life is really great. It's got this great San Diego group. called Checkfield on there that's just a great mix of like sort of earthy sounds with jazz there on that we've got Ray Lynch who is this sort of strange computer music synth wizard sort of guy and he made very very fun slightly haunting computery music like it's all on there he did something called celestial soda pop celestial soda pop right

I kept thinking about when I was in Celestial Park drinking their special soda pop. Of course. Oh, wow. He invented the idea of Celestial Soda Pop. I guess so. Yeah, so Wonders of Life is a really great loop, and I've gotten really obsessed with it. sort of took all the artists on that and like started wandering down the rabbit holes.

And that's how my playlist that I've shared with you, Scott, Liminal Oasis started, is that I just started taking the artists on the Wonders of Life loop and started going down rabbit holes of albums and finding more music that sounds like that until I have hundreds of albums. which what a way that's in terms of that like do we like this because of theme parks or do we like it on its own that's a great way to figure it out it's to like

Okay, so something about this is taking me back to Epcot Center in the mid-90s or whatever, but like that there's more of it, that it's that vibe, but it wasn't specifically played there. And you're describing a playlist. or are you willing to let the listeners in into the world of liminal oasis? Of course. I consider this one of the crowning achievements of my life. Well, I mean, and understandably because the stats are so good. I think I can pull it up on Spotify. This is a...

This is 166 hours. Good God. Wow. Yeah, basically. Liminal Oasis with a bunch of odd symbols on both sides. It's a great electric prism in the cosmos. This is a wonderful playlist that you've made, and as the playlist that I will play, I feel like you kind of like It sort of holds your hand from the maybe barely more accessible world of smooth 70s, 80s jazz into the confusing, intimidating world. of new age music it's not intimidating scott it was for me i think i in my head i'm like

No adults in the 2020s should be listening to 1990s New Age music. This is a one-way ticket to being unrelatable to your fellow man. And I assumed, I think, a degree of cheesier cheesiness. that maybe as I've started to like wade into the waters, I'll go, you know, well, that's not so cheesy. Oh, that's not so cheesy at all. This I like. This I kind of like. I think embracing the fact that a lot of this music is cheesy and you wouldn't necessarily want. I don't know

the girl you have a crush on in high school to hear you listening to it if you were like on the school bus or whatever. Yes. No, it's the music you dive into with somebody you're deep into a marriage with. Right, right.

trust and who has no way out. Yes. Or in our case, musically, where Aaron and I, I think, have like a, you know, mutually assured destruction is like we both just go we push each other deeper and deeper into the land of cheese yeah to where like we don't consider it any of it any of it cheesy anymore we just we love it it relaxes make out music but it's good Saddled makeup.

I thought you were going to say second make-out music. Oh, he said, well, you know, if you're really high on the hog, you know. It's not as good as Buffalo Gals. but it's pretty good. Chattanooga choo-choo, usually. That gets him cooking. Do you want to come over? I got some great tunes ready to go. Shuffle off to Buffalo is next. That's right. If you want to come over and have a good laugh about Begin the Bigween when I was in fifth grade.

I had a crush on this girl and we went on a school field trip and I specifically brought the Mighty Mighty Boss Tones Let's Face It CD so that she could listen to it and she would maybe think, oh, this is a type of music I've never heard before. How did she like royal oil? She didn't She didn't care for it very much, but on that same trip, the one and only time I ever won anything from a crane game, I won it for her.

Wow. Nice. I got her. I was a little vampire. But then she didn't like the Mighty Mighty Boston CD. So she's out. Hit the bricks. And let's face it. I don't. Let's face it. that's the name of the album oh yeah i didn't mean to do that but let's face it she probably wouldn't like the wonders of life loop either yeah yeah yeah yeah okay well it's important to know early

Yeah. And you have also, you have a vast collection of new age cassette tapes. Yeah. Good memory. Yeah. And that all stemmed from like one Christmas Eve. I was in my childhood bedroom and I. I was like kind of trying to get sleepy. I was listening to some aerial loops, but then I got really hopped up thinking about.

all the artists and albums that comprise like these area loops and I was like I gotta like start saving those on Spotify but none of them were on Spotify like there are some but a lot of them if you want to hear the full thing you need You can't and some of them aren't even on YouTube so I just went on eBay and I started buying cassettes on Christmas Eve and within like An hour. I think I had spent like $200 on like 90s.

new age cassettes oh my god it's muse that that really speaks to the obscurity of it that it is not only not made the spotify transition but that cassette becomes the primary way to experience this music. You can get them on CD. But you wanted them. I wanted them, and I don't do Vine. I didn't do any physical media, really, for music until these cassettes, and I still really only have, like, new agents with jazz cassettes. Oh, geez.

It's good for physical media because of the photo art of some of these people. I think you get a kick out of looking at the images of most people. Yeah. all this to say the wonders of life loop is great and if you want a primer on good music like that just start digging into these I refresh my memory about it and getting comfortable with new age stuff. I was just listening to it, not looking at artists, and there was one that was like, this one's really doing it.

This is hidden. Who we got here? Who is this? Look it up. Yanni. Yes. Yanni. I was just digging a Yanni track without even realizing it. That's a number called Looking Glass by Yanni. If you think Yanni looks crazy, if listeners even remember Yanni, a staple of PBS, music one of the most beautifully haired beautifully mustachioed men puff like beautifully puffy shirted men ever to live um i feel like you get deeper into this genre and yanni just

looks like a normal guy on the street yeah yeah it's kind of a hunk but yanni looks cool compared to like somebody that i'm about to talk to with what so wonders of life was not my pick uh-huh but the interventions loop was okay And then we're talking when Interventions opens in 94. This is music when Interventions is new on the scene when Epcot is entering a new era of future.

That's right. I'll give you a hit of it. Because there's multiple different movements. And maybe we can find. Yeah, here's a track list. So it sort of starts off. There's a whole story. kind of learned it. We've got to get them in. This is David. with a track card. of the butterfly. music artist. title that they would do and now create an Does it take you to original and original?

to what we've learned So this is... this is not an original piece of a bunch of songs them was David Argenstone's Papillon on the wings of the butterfly. So he would know which way to go with his own- that's right and as a springboard the wings of the butterfly. Here we go. I'm ready. Internet. I'm ready. yeah you're here to meet vector man Toe Jam and Earl. Walk around Toe Jam and Earl. And then there was Wal-Craft.

Crash Bandicoot When I talk about collection of notes I wish I knew music theory but really I just think it's like Yes. I'm stirring! like instead of like and boring. even the best piece of It might make you feel like God. I don't like, I don't know, it's building it. And correct me if I'm wrong. I express That it has the vibe of something. Exploring.

But because it is tied to such a specific era, can't help but be like so stimulating people of a certain age do you find it stimulating michael yeah if So specific due to an era. It reminds me of... It could also be the introduction to a VA. feel like it makes me Yeah. Yeah. 1, 22. And I was like, this is what We're losing the innovation Oh, it's range of it's over That was a real it's over moment. Definitely. This also plays Oh, man. You stole it.

but interventions in mouse gear I think open Listen, I don't know Umbrella all right Yeah, that was the first. I don't like but I know that the frame This is like... It's coming. and not a Hulk. and minimalist. outside of generic flowers. doesn't this take it like this is in the future in a mirror right now it's only an electric umbrellas right whatever that means people holding them in stores as shade out in the world the world will be I slowed it down. Oh, you did? It works so well.

Alright let's listen. I have indexes. I really like it probably many years ago at this point where i felt like there's a lot of like video game mixes to like any sort of like ambient loop thing i do like that a lot now that you can get like really like

8-bit mixes of whatever, right? Actually, there's like the sound profile, what do you call them? Sound... sound font sound font thank you of uh donkey kong country uh but it's californication the red chili peppers i do like that yeah it's like the weird you can get that's been done for the beach boys love you oh i believe that one of possibly the last beach boys

so there's all this all these different kinds of loops and stuff and then whenever it was they started so much video game music started being posted I always loved all the Mario music and all the Nintendo music, but then... you would get these loops of them and you would start realizing oh this isn't just a fun little piece of music that i liked these are like really genius level things that you can sometimes just because of the

old-school sound of it the 8-bit sound of it you're like you don't necessarily notice how cool it is And it didn't have to be whatever the music and NBA jam didn't have to be like so great and memorable. But you feel like people caring all across the board in these video games, in the park.

It felt like, you know, like a little content opportunity opened up and people filled it with love and with cool keyboard sounds. Right. And then you've got like, now you've got like orchestra performances of, Nintendo stuff.

and then you go, holy shit, Super Mario World music is amazing. Those in particular are really... These songs are... I never even... I always liked these, and these are so hummable, but like... i would love to hear that song in different styles me too i was just thinking about this uh recently while we're i was thinking about this episode like if somebody did a like if russell brower himself I don't know, hosted or what do you call it, conducted a

the orchestra playing here i assume i assume this is actually uh an orchestra not just synth that sounds pretty real with a little bit of synth in there too but i could be wrong but if he did like a something at say the dr phillips center in Orlando, Florida, if he had a

live show where he just played the interventions loop. I would probably get emotional. It feels impossible now, but then like 10 years ago, if you'd been told there's going to be a... massive cult fandom of the track aquatic ambiance from donkey country like this will be played emotionally at festivals and people will be close to it's like this is what this is why we have to do it we have to like

like spread this fandom and get it out like like no disney there's even more layers of cult fandom within your operator than you even do you have to serve this now you have to do an orchestral russell brauer con Yeah, apparently he wasn't even gonna have music for this area. because an executive, I listened to an interview about this, but the executive gave him a little guff about

was like, that's a thoroughfare. Nobody's going to stop there. They don't need music. They can just go to the fountain if they want music. But he advocated for the grandparents and the parents who are waiting for their children to meet them at a central location. He said, you don't want them to sit in silence this need.

wow yeah oh it's like inclusive it's oh that's great and now everywhere you go at a disney park like i don't think you would be able to find like a silent section yeah and that wasn't always the case i don't think Yeah, that's interesting. You have some big area with all this too.

Where the hell is all this music coming from? You know, sometimes you can see the speakers, but sometimes you really can't. In a lot of cases, you can't. Kevin, when we were in Orlando, we had a great evening at Wilderness Lodge where I had never been. You showed me. all the great nooks and crannies and at one point when we were on our way what is the train building where is that like the DVC where all of Walt's train stuff is the Carolwood

The Carolwood room. We were on a little covered bridge, essentially, to the Carolwood room, and then noting how loud all of the cricket chirping was. and then we went wait a minute yeah is this manufactured and from where and then we looked up and there have been speakers so hidden we didn't even they were above us the whole time and that's how i feel in a lot of these places like where is the music that's like an incredible underrated part of

I'd say particularly Disney parks. But, you know, that's... Maybe that's an episode where we go through Disneyland and try to find all the speakers. I mean, sometimes you just find... I know you've sent videos of just... things like you like this piece of music and then it's just playing off of like a little pod and a planter right that's fine you can do that uh there's a charm to that too sometimes a barely visible speaker's fun but an invisible speaker what a magic

Yeah, that's really cool. And to get something sounding good from a source you cannot see, that's wild. We did determine that those crickets were, in fact, being pumped in. Yeah, yes. But we've completely, I mean, we noted it, I guess, eventually, but it was realistic enough that we had the question. Wilderness Lodge has a great loop, by the way. I didn't highlight it here because it's sort of just generic soaring.

inspiring nature. National Parks, John Muir. Yeah, yeah. But I, yeah, there's, we haven't even, I don't think any of what we're talking about is hotels. I mean, there's like, and there's a lot of that, like some, some of them really are like, you know, resort gets a title like saratoga springs and you're like how do you score that what is the music of saratoga spring these people they always figure as it turns out the saratoga springs loop i think is mostly just sort of uh

Like the type of music I think you have dubbed, or maybe your wife has dubbed crap jazz. Crap jazz. Reorchestrations of camp town races. Like jazzy camp town races. You need to be in charge of this. it's more just like weather channel music which of course I like but it's not

It's not for everyone. I know the line between, like, because something I will play, I don't consider crap jazz. There is music, definitely instrumental music in the Disney parks that we call crap jazz, but that is a... loving term on our part actually i think maybe we declared this is a little cheesy it's a little bit like it's when things just stop sounding as good maybe in like 2000 or so yeah you don't have like inherently cool production techniques as with 80s 90s stuff

But then the more time you spend in DCI wine area, you're like, i kind of love the crap jazz yeah very fond of the crap jazz i know i like i don't consider crap an insult anymore I like all of it doesn't matter that great Californian hotel I love any piece of music yeah yeah absolutely what else you got do you got other stuff from that just a snippet of something else but I will end the interventions loop talk by saying this is my goat 100% greatest of all time for me.

Russell Brow, who went on to do a lot of World of Warcraft. So did David Arkenstone. Wow, wow. So Disney, this initial playground for composers who have gone on to do things that are like... You know, a little bit more mainstream. Yeah, and Arkansas wasn't involved with this. Arkansas was just a guy that Russell Brower liked the music of and then the Imagineers were like, no, we like that one. Keep that beginning in there and right around it. No, please, we like Papillon.

I just want to say the title. No, wait. We really like Papillon on the Wings of the Butterfly. Off the album In the Wake of the Wind, which I have. It comes with a map. What? A fictional land, Jason. I don't know. That album cover, if we're thinking of the same one, that's an aesthetic that I would call a really specific early 90s micro aesthetic, which is Columbus Core.

This is when we were going Columbus crazy for the 500th anniversary of 1492 when there were multiple Columbus films. I think one with a Vangelis score. Yeah. who factors into, there's some evangelists in some of these things. But yeah, he was like, chasing this album gives you a little bit more columbus magic if that's what you're after I feel like because we got rid of Columbus for a while and I feel like there was some

horrible white house thing today was like columbus is back yeah i feel like i saw that literally that's not what i'm saying i'm not saying you're saying that i'm just saying it's funny i think it's literally today i'm when i i think when i say columbus corps i i actually think more of port of entry or something like

oh sure imagine setting sail like imagine like a like a good person who's taken a bunch of ships across the world like not a pirate perhaps a merchant yes merchant yes they're off to find nice spices this is a cover for one of my beloved ninja turtles adventures comics in stone 1492 on Donatello's back. Columbus mania really was. Why is that happening? I don't remember. Wow. I just remember the cover after you said that going like Columbus is, well, this is January 1993.

Oh, 1992 was 500. Okay. Yes. So they were like somewhere in storm near the Caribbean Sea. That's what it was about. It's an interesting place to find the turtles. Did I interrupt though? No, all I was going to say is like if I was making, I every once in a while make a list of like my favorite albums of all time and loops are not, loop is not album but if it was if you consider the interventions loop an album, I think it would be up there in my top ten. All you need to do is the magic of a

CD-burning kiosk. Oh, yeah. And then it becomes an album.

every loop can be album with cd burn do you actually have a rank like would it be like between seven like would you have a number in your head where it would be or just you're thinking it would be in the 10 be one no i don't know i mean like i I guess an easier way to phrase it is like, if I had 10 Desert Island albums to take with me, I think this would beat, I would probably take, there would be a Beatles album on there, but this would kick.

a lot of beatles albums off of there like i wouldn't be like sorry wow it might bump a few what's the best one at bumps yeah maybe that yeah like i remember sergeant pepper well enough that's fine yeah Yeah, and it would serve as a reminder of great memories in the parks while I was on my desert island. Well, sure. Hey, 45 minutes to an hour, though, you're pushing that CD. how much audio that CD can have. That's true. Now I want to know, a Burnable CD has 70 minutes.

I know, I know, but I believe that's the number or something around there. And I know this because I burned my dad a CD of instrumental surf music for his birthday for Christmas and for. Father's Day he makes me a track list that he writes out on a legal pad. and he gives me a fun idea of a surface cover and title that it should have. And then I go ripping tracks on YouTube.

And I have to get out an old laptop that I only keep because it has the ability to burn CDs. Right. And I make him a server. I just did it the other day for his birthday. I have like a $15. External, like USB-C. Oh, you got the old external one. Yeah, wow. I had to burn a DVD of my... I had to rip a DVD of my... Friends, sisters, bat mitzvah.

like 1998 or something the other day that's a real mystery rip in a dvd that's yeah and that's like apollo 13 like we need to make all this fit into this handbrake remember handbrake program. VLC failed me. VLC can play an old DVD. Sometimes though it can rip things. I think I could have ripped it with VLC. Yeah. I had to download Handbrake. Well and then you have to go like does it need to be playable or is it a dated?

Because data desk can hold a lot more. Oh, that's like 800 megs, I think. Yeah, yeah. You've got to choose. Is it the 70 minutes or the 800 megs? Anyway, it was touch and go. I thought maybe my super drive ate the DVD at one point. I'm glad that we're just on YouTube. These pioneers who've done all this work for us and posted it. God bless you if you've ever posted one of these loops.

And something to all listeners out there. As you say, Desert Island Discs is number one. Maybe it goes without saying. Please, in comments or social media or wherever you interact with the show, let us know your favorite. theme park area loop out there so we can highlight it in future episodes as we do this, explore this area more. Yeah, this might need a part two.

Maybe so. One last thing, International Spotlight, De Efteling in the Netherlands. One of the only parks that I've been to that isn't Disney or Universal that has really great music. uh this is off of this is the loop for their castle trackless dark ride symbolica which oh yes yes that is an incredible journeys of the magical jester pardosh And this is the sound of it. I think we did an episode and said that. It's completely not that way. I guarantee. It really gets cooking. This is an hour.

But it kind of goes through variations on that theme throughout. Wow, that's something purely made for a theme park. That's beautiful. I've been clamoring to get back to Efteling because it's a very strange park.

kind of strange music oh well yeah i'd love to go in general all right well kevin i'm staying in a similar neck of the woods to you which makes sense because i feel like our first contact i don't know if it was if you talked to me first or this you just emailed the podcast or how we first got a good question i don't know either it could have been that but i uh i know that the first you and i talked was that you know that i had floated

Every once in a while, I will bring up the kind of very relaxing 70s, 80s smooth jazz that I'm very passionate about that makes me a more relaxed person day to day. I often say, I don't need to smoke cigarettes because I listen to music like this. and it really brings me down a notch. especially when a project is insane or whatever. But, you know, I'll drop a Bob James or a Dave Grusin or a Lee Rittenauer. And you reached out, I think sensing a kindred musical spirit, and said,

Do you know that there's this playlist of all of the music that would play at the Contemporary in the lobby in the early 90s? That's right. I emailed it. I remember I emailed it. that might have been like to general podcast the ride at gmail an email that we sometimes check i'm sorry i know this was this was in a time where we might check out a little more thoroughly Uh-uh, but yours cut through because, like, why, yes, yes, I do. And I took to that playlist.

so quickly. And that is not what I'm talking about. That's not what I chose, although very well. could have been but that like uh i i i i appreciated that you were like okay if he's like you must you must have been like i don't hear it people reference this kind of music in the wild ever. I need to contact this person and make sure he knows that there is a way to feel at all times like you're in the lobby of the contemporary in 1995. That's a great loop.

That has some serious smooth stuff on it. It has the Rippington's on it. Oh, my God. Rippington's, that was really like, you know, I thought that I didn't. fuck with 90s jazz and then the Rippingtons changed everything. The Rippingtons are a group who have all of their album covers are this like this cat with like a big crazy he's like sort of like a you know he's like a joe camel who isn't like uh you know

There isn't the toxic association. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he does have, he is like a cool jazz guy and he's got a fedora and sunglasses. He definitely looks like a jazz guy. He's like a night owl jazz cat. Classy cat. Yeah. Not a gross cat like a leisure suit. Larry cat or something. Yeah, I know. He's wonderful. And you told me not only about...

You made me aware of the Disney Rippington's Association, but also that there's a music video where the Rippington's cat comes to life. Oh, yeah. That's an incredible piece. For tourists in paradise, there are... probably their closest thing they have to a single. And the cat, I think, is the voice of the part that's like... That's one you can hum. It really is. Listener, if you don't understand what this is and why I like it, I mean, imagine like, I think the closest way I could.

translated as like do you like the tailspin theme and do you want a ton of instrumental music that's like the tailspin theme so true light tropical relaxation early 90s vibes this cat is a little lascivious Yeah, nowadays, it's a long, long smile. This is definitely a kind of penis. thing here like he's opening for the hard work oh god it's mike seeing his penises i mean this is there's just no doubt about it this is all right all right

You know what I'm saying? That's on their first album. Look at a couple more variations on Rippington's cast. some of them don't know what i'm looking at there is kind of a penis in the rippington's cat this is what mike does he ruins everything by seeing his subliminal penises everywhere by seeing the truth I see the truth is what's happening here. But this cat is a penis thing. But you know what? This car is a big dick.

This cat's driving a big dick car. No, it's a long yellow limo. That's Weekend in Monaco. That's good stuff. That's a killer. It's okay. I'm not offended. See, for me, Mike, I'm about the music, not about the subliminal penises that in that case... aren't on the cover that's not a big long penis mike i think that one it's his yellow car

It's just a cool yellow car. But it's like kind of bent. It's kind of like limp. It's like a little limp. Where's the penis in Curves Ahead where he's skiing downhill? I'll find it. Is it the purple ski? Is it because it's purple like a penis isn't really? This one, I don't know. Sorry, we're fresh from a big penises and everything fight that maybe the listener hasn't heard yet. Stay tuned to the second game. You'll hear it soon enough. Penis everywhere. Mike and his penis everywhere campaign.

I'm getting a little heated. I gotta cool down with some smooth jazz. So anyway, that's what you reached out about that. Also, shout out Kim Pencil. Love all Kim Pencil's shimmery piano music. that was always available. Kim Pencil really blew my mind. P-E-N-S-Y-L.

Yes, confusingly, even though his album, isn't there like a pencil pun in the album title? Pencil sketches. Pencil sketches, but it's spelled like his real name, P-E-N-S-Y-L. I like all this stuff, too. I was listening to a lot of ambient. music. Kind of around that time when we were all, like, listening to a lot of Japanese city pop. Oh, it's a very close cousin. Also, spotty on spot.

No, almost none. You've got to go to YouTube. Yeah, you've got to go to YouTube. Some stuff is on Apple Music, but some stuff is on YouTube. But ambient music, I really like having it on and having it on back. Can't fall asleep. Oh. Because it, I don't know, it just starts to Have the reverse effect to relax. I don't know if it's changes in movements, but sometimes it stresses me.

Well, listen, at some point in my loop, I'm going to play a piece of music that I became even more familiar with due to Kevin's playlist, Liminal Oasis, and what I'm going to play is a guarantee. sleep aid relaxer. The B piece of music of any I've ever found. that is a path to the end of an anxious night. Like, I've never found something that is more the key. And if, boy, if I could help anybody with sleep anxiety out there, if this piece has the magic...

that it has for me, I would love to be able to pass this along to you. Which I need to get the link for that Liminal Oasis playlist, because too many people are abusing the word liminal on Spotify. And even searching under playlists, it's just... I felt a little bad. using the word liminal because I feel like I see it. used incorrectly are overused, but I hope that when people listen to my playlist they deem it worthy of the work. No, I'm sure you've done the work, Rod. I'm sure you know it.

but it fits. It's hard to sum up. Are you saying you're finding counterfeit liminal playlists a lot? Just a million playlists with the word liminal. It sounds like a cool word, but it doesn't actually, like, clarify. Whereas I think you are, this is all, you are describing all music that could play in a place that is somewhere between being open and closed. Yes, yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of dead mom play.

style yeah yeah but you gotta you know but i think a lot of that just sounds too modern or something like i don't think they're really hitting the nail on the head with some of that like it's not because ball music isn't actually like weird and scary I like vaporwave, but that's not what actually plays at a mall. Rippingtons are what plays at a mall. This kind of music is what plays at a mall. I'm going to start getting into this. This is what I have chosen, a close cousin to Interventions.

Tomorrowland 1989 to 2003. This is the music from Magic Kingdom. tomorrow land now i have a question about this which is like is this really what was still playing in the buck rogers 94 era it doesn't kind of doesn't seem right to me it might be mislabeled well i have some stuff like that but also the one website that does a lot of retro WDW they have video from very early tomorrowland 94 like it's not everything's open yet and they're playing like that music

that plays when the looney tunes go to a factory oh really that's that oh interesting and so i don't know if that was just placeholder or what on the people mover i don't want that but i have no memory that no thank you i i want the pure relaxation of what i'm going to start playing here uh so uh and this is i've referred to this on the show before this is not the actual name but i saw youtube comment refer to it as this

and I can never unhear it. It's what it is in my heart. To me, wherever it played, I think some of this might have been in the Tokyo. Tomorrowland in this era as well. But what I will always know it as is the bubble shuffle loop. And that is due to the first track Bubble Shuffle by Larry Carlton. Gracias. Maybe not, but I like what it's doing to. Yeah, Larry Carlton. I finally have He's one of the Grammy in all the... down and not ever but he was one Don't take me away. I saw a lot.

Here's what's crazy about that, yeah. And what we're hearing... as chill as you can imagine. that midway through of this album was a heinous act of It's our playing career halfway through the album and he was going to pull out all night this thing out into He goes outside because he sound like what's going Maybe like trying to commit a robbery there or elsewhere. Try to square that with this It's crazy that it was this album. about this man.

But then the album becomes half of it was in the Yes, I can play guitar again. album he wondered if he like it affected him exactly in the nerves where maybe he will never play guitar again and he described it as like he became a baby he Learn how to even hold a guitar.

And then within six months, because he's a legend of all time, he not only figured it out, he got maybe better than he was before. He re-recorded some of the tracks because he thought they didn't have the juice, and now he's playing with the post-shooting aggression. He has stuff to like workout. feelings to work out about the horrible thing that he went through um and then he gets this album done ground still musically and and uh lifestyle wise and then

He does a benefit concert to help other victims of random acts of violence. Like, let's raise money for people where there is no specific... Like, they don't know who the assailant is or why or why it happened. He did a big concert, raised a ton of money, got his pals Michael... Mitchell to come play because he's also the guitar on Help Me.

True legend, this guy. Then he goes and, like... you know, ton more benefits for that raises a ton of like, he's this guy raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for people who were randomly attacked and then his music sounds this good news broadcast news and newspapers were very Obsessed with-

quote, random acts of violence, I feel like, in the ninth. Well, it proves that it wasn't a fake thing. It was an actual concern. It happened to... We were almost robbed of this piece of... I don't know if this track... uh uh bubble shuffle was done pre-shooting or post-shooting but if it was post and if this random guy almost robbed the world of bubble shuffle and my favorite Disney music loop. My god. No amount of jail could be enough infinite life sentences for that.

If that did happen, you would at least... So Bubble Shuffle, I agree, is the fulcrum of this Tomorrowland loop, right? Yeah, that's the pace. It is a central piece. What a title. Incredible title. This is what I would very creatively call... a playlist area loop where it's really just a playlist.

of uh this is true yeah it is not it's not composed i mean similar to wonders of life i would say like like yeah there is not always like a custom it's a little bit more of like a little curated mix for sure and Whoever was on this task of curating area loop playlists in the... late 80s, early 90s was Kicking ass. Yeah. And they clearly just had a... I would love to know the full process. Was it an Imagineer?

I heard a small thing from Imagineer Eddie Sato, Soto. He gives us a lot of factoids. Selecting the music for Frontierland and Main Street. I found a snippet about that. i don't know if is he the mastermind behind the wonders of life and tomorrow or was it like up to like who's in charge of the land or what yeah why i i or did they hire like a music supervisor like a movie would like somebody to pick the tracks who's like because you need some you know to find some of these that you know to find

uh inside the sky by steve hahn you know you need it's got to be somebody who knows like a hundred thousand albums you're not just gonna chance into these tracks i think some of this stuff and uh kevin i do have to tell you when you said does so-and-so play on the steely dan record we should probably put a chapter marker there because like half the audience gonna be like pumping their fist

And half are going to be like, oh, I'm going to come back to this later. I'm going to put on something. Show yourselves. Name yourselves. But what I was going to say was like, yeah, some of this stuff. Statistically, some of the stuff has to have been made by someone going, oh shit, we needed that yesterday. Who can we call who's a ringer, who can turn this around in 48 hours?

That's true. It could be a rush job. It could be somebody who was barely paid or not at all. I don't know if I was 15 or 21 before I realized you could make music and not care about it.

There's a constant like music to me felt like it was so important and it must just be pouring from like the deepest recesses of your mind right so the idea that like oh yeah people are on con maybe it was the ben fold song uh one down one down is that what it's called about finishing his contract out and finishing the song when i realized oh This is a job for some people. Now, hang on. We are not dis- I- There is- I-

I don't want to hear it said. I'm not saying that. Larry Carlton doesn't care. I think you're describing selecting the playlist. Well, yeah, selecting the... I've mentioned this before, but... There's a podcast episode, the unofficial Universal Orlando podcast. uh the music of marvel's superhero island with composer howard drosen and he is like pretty upfront about this from 2016. And he's very...

You're going to say that he's never gone to Marvel Superhero Island, right? Yeah. You can't believe this. Well, less that he could have gone, but more that the anecdote of like... i have a couple teenagers would they like it and it's like yes but just when he's like yeah i think i have the mini the original mini discs around here

somewhere with that music. This sticks in your grog and I'm like, this is what I'm saying where you're like, you're 12 years old and you're just like, This must be this man's passion project who composed all this music. He cares so much about Spider-Man. Well, but then they sold the souvenir CD with track by track. All the original music. I hate to tell you, he didn't give a shit about Marvel Super Hero Island. It was a gig.

He jerked it off, basically. This is Jason learning for the first time that anyone doesn't give a shit about Marvel Super Hero Islands. I was hoping you'd bring this part up about the man. What's his name? Say his name. Howard Droz. Hey, Howard, fuck you. Not caring about Marvel at all. You warped this innocent young brain.

He doesn't deserve it. Put the passion into that music. That's what I think. People are booing because a Steely Dan guitarist was mentioned and then we're praising Howard Drozen. Despite him jizzing all over the most sacred property in the land. Jizzing in a bad way. Jizzing in a bad way. Jizzing in a... Not to create life.

That's what I'm saying. The only reason to jizz. The only reason, yes. Do we like the Marvel Super... Sorry to interrupt with Tomorrowland. Well, I do. Clearly. Yes, I do. Yes, I like it. Breaks this computer while saying... That's not even one of my... Yes, that is the perfect music. but we do like it I like it in the context of Marvel Super Island, but I don't know that I like it outside of that context. Yeah, it's very intense. Hard rock.

Hard rock, yeah. The hardest rock. But I don't know that it's like something I listen to otherwise. Jason demanded that it be his wedding mark. I am not. Brings the blue tits. Well, no, that was the call to adventure. because why what greater adventure is there than that of matrimony marriage um all right i'm gonna play a little bit more of this i don't have to i don't have to do a ton but i do just want to get a quick hit of night fire dance

Andreas Wallenweider. Wow, you had it. That you know the artist. German harp player. Wait, from the album... now here's what i'm talking about these synth voicings were like not afraid to be a little cheesy where people realize they and then do one Todd Ruggerman, a whole album. This always sounds like and set bamboo

I'm in the future. This is a wonderful future. This is an 80s future. That really feels video game-ish to me. It would score a level that is just like you're in a forest, but then something glitches or something.

there's like that like the very strange synth sound that kind of like what's the i can't think of anything today on the on like a midi keyboard where you push the wheel up and down yeah the pitch bend the pitch bend thank you it feels like that and it feels like sound like you would score like a video game level where like you're in a forest but then like

some weird like color shoots out of the ground or the screen glitches or like there's something odd about this forest. Hey Mike, I'm gonna give you a little credit here. I don't think anyone's gonna give you a tough time for not remembering. with the wheel, the tiny wheel on a MIDI keyboard. Jason hates music stuff. That's what we're finding right now. People are booing about Cillian. People are booing about the pitch band. What does this hate? I'm just saying, there's pitch bands.

Jason has good taste in music. I appreciate what he was going to say, but I bet there are people that are going, it's a goddamn pitch wheel. It's easy. You were trying to make me feel better, but now I feel worse. It's a lot of people throwing their phones Like, how do you not know Pitchwheel? Pitchwheel. I think from what I've heard, you might have the hippest music taste of the host. Oh, sure. For 20 years. Correction. Jane has the hippest music taste. Well, yeah, Jane has the hippest.

Jake had the text stop and knows all the songwriters. You don't have to give that to me because I have no concerns about being hip. I gave it up a while ago. I learned the name Max Martin last time. year. Max Martin was a hit maker of our time. Well, I knew the hits of our time, but I didn't know all the team behind it. Are you into, what's his name, Benson Boone? Is that his name? The guy in the jumpsuit that sings and does the flips? Backflipping guy? Yeah.

Is it hip to be into Benson Boone, or is that just the most popular music that's around? I prefer Bunsen Honeydew. We all take a Bunsen Honeydew. I'm not going to argue with that. Selena Gomez's fiance is... Benny Blanco. Benny Blanco is not Benson Boone. I've been making for weeks. That's right. Two different guys. Well, let me do another one of those and say that the track that I now must play

This is not by recent guest Paul Scheer. It is by Paul Speer and David Lanz. This is from the album Natural State. The track is behind the waterfall. This is what I referred to. as a go-to sleep aid. This almost feels too personal at this point to play for you all and on the podcast, but we've discussed behind the waterfall. We've been behind the waterfall many times, the backside of water. Wow. It ties together. I don't think they're related. Here we go. and we should be allowed.

And don't, I swear, if you talk about... and people say things like stinky the episode every week but you know This sounds like an alcohol. I said, look, I see. Exactly. from the omnipresent uh new age record level I think maybe whoever was curating this loop and they're imprinted. Equinox. Milwaukee? I would have assumed this was like that their headquarters top of the Himalayas.

No, no. I only don't know this cuz on the for these albums a lot of which I have the address is on I think North Farwell, straight in Milwaukee. Wow. All the world's new Music came from those That pinball machine's there. I'll let it wrap up there. I highly recommend that. I honestly- Where in the park would you-

That's still Tomorrowland. That track was also in Wonders of Life. That's right. That was shared between what was potentially yours. You got it. Some of these did repeat here and there. There's not that many repeats. but I feel like they picked the tracks, the best tracks to repeat behind the waterfall being in multiple places. Do you think the guy who knew Narada do you think he just spread it like stretched it like divvied it out really like really stretched out his uh billable hour

He didn't tell them right away about the label. I'll have to search far and wide for music that fits these themes. I will have to travel to lands far and near. I imagine it will take me three months with a musical sherpa. Another three-month contract I believe is due. Well, they chose beautifully. I do have to thank for your playlist. Here's what I'll do. I'll go to your playlist. I'll start with that. That's the base.

and then i'll just let it randomize take me take me somewhere else yeah and sometimes and it really works and my like there's been bad sleep anxiety for sure for the last five years or so this thing

This always does it. I will say, I don't think it's... I'm glad you're having luck with it for sleep because it wasn't designed for... sleep not so when something suddenly there will be like yeah like some samba comes in but and i don't hold that against you because it's not made for birth sleep but a lot of it does work a lot of it definitely doesn't liminal sleep oasis would be a good

branch. Maybe I could start my own Narada Mystique-type imprint of my playlist. You should be the new... Oh, and we should say, that was the inspiration for your opening. track which i knew as soon as i heard it like oh my god he this this this motherfucker just david lands our theme song and i couldn't be more on you know you neuroted us

And I thank you for that. Happy to do it. There's a really good live video of David Lanz and Paul Spear playing that song. And I was surprised to see that I think...

Paul Spear because David Lanz plays piano and he's playing a synth I think it's like a DX7 synth then I think Spear is playing an acoustic electric guitar which is interesting and it's making a very nice sound and they both look I think they're wearing baggy sleeves and probably some like crystals and then there's a dude that not David Lanz or Paul Spear there's a dude just going I like hog wild on some bongo. So you gotta have that. Rippington's has one of the great pony-tailed gourd shakers.

the guy with the big you gotta have a big gourd with a net on it and and the beginning of the video is like um you know desert sands tour or something uh sold out show in mexico city and it's like this giant seemingly like amphitheater arena and it really that looks like it's sold out so this must have been all there for this semi big festival or something but wow people are out there for lands and spear playing behind the waterfall good good i am glad that is the case

Are these guys still around? David Lanz is definitely... I don't know if he still makes music. Let's get them at Epcot. That's such a good idea, Mike. Let's get the, yeah. I don't know if it's, are they more, is it more appropriate for the Garden Rocks or Eat to the Beat? I don't know which event. Or for just, or for just have them play live next to Walt.

just like have them sit down next to the setting wall because that's where their music belongs that's true you know you don't rock out the way you do to uh you know, Smash Mouth with New Singer. Right. That's what Eats of the Means is for. They replaced poor Steve.

so goddamn fast like they knew like they had like they had a guy in mind right they like knew he like passed away and it was like smash mouth's on the road like six months or under they were able to audition them very fast because the audition was just like all right sing the word some and they just need to they need to know that somebody just go some some and that's in there was they had a hallway of people all tuning up some some some some some some i don't got it let me try again next

Oh, shit. Yeah. Anyway. This is the kind of thing you text each other. Yeah, we talk about Astro Lounge. Yeah, you guys hang out at the Astro Lounge. You're waiting for this. We'll create a virtual Astro Lounge. Epcot should start having its own Astro Lounge. There is a bar coming.

around spaceship earth space what better to call it literal astro play the innovations loop in the spaceship earth bar and lounge why not either you could have some random piece of music or you could have something that people would appreciate that's old school that takes you there and in my case puts you to sleep all right well i've got the aux cord now let's stay in the tomorrowland neck of the woods

And I will eventually get to some new agey stuff for another loop. But let's jump into something very goofy, you said earlier. Goofy and a little jaunty. oh this sends me i've put this on as a relaxer before yeah real like we've I would de- some of the remakes What park, we think? Disney World. That's a miracle. That's a miracle from Malik. molecules from inner space. for me.

attractions that's fun which if you have to if that's how we get new original music or you know newly arranged music in the parks yeah it has to be ip or like like the toontown or the tomorrowland one you're sharing like i'm fine with that well they made all this cool music for tomorrowland 2055 that leaked somehow that maybe was recorded off of a bathroom speaker like a never built

redo for Disneyland. For some reason, just the music leaked, and it's a bunch of very stirring orchestral covers of songs from Tomorrowland past. They played it in a They tested the music in a Tomorrowland bathroom. for some reason. This is gonna be the score for the whole land. And they decided, let's play it in the bathroom, and that's the only remnant of this Never Built Tomorrowland. And somebody happened to be...

taking a shit with induction recording microphone. Yeah, in 1994. Just brought the tape recorder to the shitter with him. Because you mentioned it, here is. SIGHT! We got some of those in our intro. Little things that feel like shooting stars. Inspiration for your... As I was dissecting that, by the way, listening to just... making sure I knew for my variation on it. I was admiring your handiwork there. I don't even know. I'd have to go back and look and see what that is. Here's another one.

Carousel progress theme. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. I feel like I still hear that. Yeah. Is there strange things from the Toy Story soundtrack on there? Or am I thinking of something different? I've heard that somewhere. Yeah, I've heard it somewhere. Maybe it's not on this. I've heard it in Disney. That is on here. Yeah, yeah. Does this same music show up on Disneyland Tomorrowland? It feels right. Yeah. Here's one more. as if you had wins.

Yeah, yeah more yeah the sci-fi I mean in a way Jazz as Tomorrowland Music makes no I like the kind of future they're imagining. which increasingly works. maybe if we listen to more jazz I feel like that was a tell this guy about pitching those He's trying to give it. I was calling on a pitch bend. I was just trying to say.

This is just a fun loop. Yeah, it's really fun. I mean, it's a lot of... It sounds like circuits. Beep boop music a robot would listen to when the robots go on the ride. But it's not like... out tecker or some some sort of like crazy beep boop music it's not harsh yeah yeah it's music for the for the children for kids for kids yeah now this is the other one and we're getting more new age

Oh my God. This is my sleep. This is my sleep music. This is... Well, this is like a 36-minute loop, and it says... YouTube video was named Islands of Adventure, Entrance Loop, Ocean Trader Market. Uh, Ocean Trader Market you can find on the official Islands of Avenger album. It's, like, just under three minutes. But this one has a lot more, uh, flourishes. It feels like this should be like Belle in Beauty and the Beast. Her little town moments. It does kind of sound. I am.

Like, Jason should be singing about, like, he's in the mall. and he's getting Cinnabon. Here I am. Lion. My longest cigarette. Yeah, this is cigarette smoking music, isn't it? Yeah. and some of the music not just this but some of the other music uh from the 80s and 90s uh i don't know when people coin the term changes a little uh uh but global village coffee house have you

Oh, I love the aesthetic you're showing me here. Yeah, well, it's very... I mean, it's sort of like... It's kind of in the Borders bookstore. So that's the kind of art that would be on a coffee cup. Atlantic Dance Hall, as I showed you. Oh, right, right, right. And what you described as your book. Yeah, like Yearbook Core, but that's maybe a little bit different than Global Village Coffee Shop. Yeah, Global Village Coffee Shop or Global Coffee Shop.

This was a thing that, as I was Googling it earlier in the episode, people were talking about and catching on on TikTok. So there has been some revisions. This is the steel drums. part of this arrangement um This is when you're waiting for your Cinnabon. Well, no, this is before you enter. So this is not Port of Entry. This is before you. This is ticket area. I think maybe you can hear bits of it in Port of Entry. But around the tickets and those coverings and the lighthouse they have.

And it's just very chill. So chill. It goes with the chill. Port of Entry is very chill. It's chill, but mysterious. It is mysterious. You don't know what adventures you're about to embark on. And maybe you were about to say something about this, Jason, but... Do you know about the dynamic nature of this track where the different pans?

What about that? Yeah, so as you pass through port of entry, from the way I understand it, so that ding ding ding yeah ding ding they have multiple instruments doing multiple tracks of that and as you go from area to area like you'll you pass by where the um person is giving music lessons in the port of entry and you can hear the version of that that has like

whatever instrument she's playing or teaching, and you can hear her playing it. Is it a ukulele? Maybe. The pirates with ukuleles? Yeah, but there probably is like a ukulele thing, but like at different... speakers in the land play the same song but different like isolated tracks of it so it all creates this living uh

soundtrack that you walk through and you hear different parts as you go to different places. Yes. Which is really cool. Here's another like bit of this arrangement kicks in in just a second. The clapping. The clapping goes on for so long. So I think the clapping is one of those isolated tracks where you walk by a certain part and the clapping is very loud because it's coming from that speaker. And it's probably thematic clapping, I don't know. I'll have to check Yeah, so this is broken up.

Well, that's another Island of Adventure. It sounded like you were, like, mixing it in there. Well, as Kevin has told us, it's very easy to mix, like, yeah, port of entry and the entrance area.

like stuff goes in and out a lot i think there was also something i forget what the full definition was but islands of adventure the first park with like some sort of dynamic audio like the speakers are all over oh really um uh and i think every land had too so if you look at the islands adventure official soundtrack on spotify or apple music they break down the like call to entry slash main theme confisco grill ocean trader Skipper Island tours, those are all the port- Individ-

Right, and these were on a CD, and the composer, if I recall, is William Kidd, but I don't know really anything else about William Kidd. Have his teenagers been to the port of entry? Does he have respect for Marvel and all of its great heroes? Yeah, William Kidd is not Uh... Dorsen. Dorsen. Dorsen. Dorsen. Dorsen. Henry? What was his name?

Henry Drozen seems right, but who knows? I don't know. We should not remember his name after what he did. That ocean trader market loop, if my wife hears that, she knows I'm taking a nap. That's my napping music. Wow. Wow. That knee, knee, knee. She's like, He's laying down for a nap. The shopkeep is not in right now. Is everyone doing music to go to sleep?

here in this room? I don't usually. It's a loaded question. It's like honestly that behind the waterfall that's like i've hit an emergency oh really that's it's 2 a.m and i gotta be up for something early i gotta bring out the big guns and that's when i go to that because usually hopefully if i'm all right just a podcast is doing it for me maybe a 0.75

uh podcast but uh uh yeah i'm actually not typically a music we should have blasted that that first night we were in orlando because i feel like we couldn't get to sleep. That was terrible for both of you. Yeah, I know. I was fucking on a high from the first night of jelly rolls and I knew it was an exciting day the next day. Really epic.

Pretty happy, isn't it? An exciting day the next day, knowing that you'd be at Jelly Rolls again. Yes, I was very excited for the end of the next day. But yeah, it was hard getting to sleep. Jason, are you a music guy at the night now? No, I usually put on podcasts.

same for a good night's sleep i do i do old disney podcasts that have old news in them i from the past this are not relevant oh yes you've said you've downloaded a bunch of part from like 2009 there's wow it's kind of a thing but what podcast do you do i well i will put it on and then eventually i'll do like 15 or 30 minutes sleep timer yeah because then in the morning i actually want to hear

I don't have to backtrack to when I remember. I think the key is it's got to be a podcast that you don't actually care about listening to. And I don't want to make a rule for it because I know people probably listen to this show to fall asleep and I wouldn't take it as an insult. That's a compliment. I might wake up laughing. you're gonna be so uproarious you're gonna be you're gonna be woken up

I mean, how many laughs per minute on this show? Nine. Well, they did a study, and yeah, it's nine laughs per minute. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's a weak minute. That's if we aren't really cooking. I have started and like turned it into a snort so as not to wake the dog or my Oh, you've routed your own laugh into a snort? I've routed my own laugh to... try to not disturb the house but doesn't the snort make the dog think that a big boar is coming in

Yeah, like a wild boar? Don't be silly, Scott. Of course he doesn't think that. He's a dog who can reason. He would never. My go-to is... Because it's usually the voices are restrained. it's like an mpr style really well uh your kickstarter sucks their voices are pretty level uh there's podcasts called western kabuki about like internet like stuff

And then there is a married couple from Australia, comedians Demi Lardner and Tom Walker. That podcast is a very funny, non-sequitur title. BigSoftTitty.PN. But that has nothing to do with the content of it. It's just very funny. They're on Twitch a lot. I just heard that person on the Guys podcast, I think. Yes, they've both been on Guys. They're very funny. It might have been for the Fart Guys episode. Demi is on the fart guys. I forget which one Tom is on.

But that's too interesting of a podcast to listen to for me sleeping. I have to listen to like Inside the Magic. Before Inside the Magic was a terrible website that has... Before Ricky sold the soul. Ricky era. So you know Ricky. Ricky Bergante. Yeah, Ricky Bergante. Yeah, I have his full library of, which are now completely removed from the internet. Wow. His podcast from 2005.

to 2014. I have every episode and I just pick a random number and I listen to that to fall asleep. That sounds delightful. That's a real cousin of having the database.

torrented uh collection of right all of the cd kiosk music right but this is just one where it's like you can figure out you know you you're hearing news of you know it would always start it with the news of the week and it would sometimes be like You know, there's a new version of Test Track coming or something more monumental, Expedition Everest, but then sometimes it's like, it's like Bolt's DVD is going to come out.

It has these special features, and we've interviewed this person about the Bolt DVD. Disney this week, it's heavy anticipation for their upcoming sure-to-be biggest blockbuster of the summer, The Lone Ranger. america has lone ranger fever and we're here to capitalize on it yep Tonto mania. The savior of frontier land. Lone Ranger. What else you got, Jason? Oh, that was it. That was for my two big moms. Hey, wonderful. Thank you for the clapping. Wait, here, let's all clap for that.

Okay, now pan it, now go to the other. out of the mic great great great oh that's very dynamic binaural audio binaural audio it's perfect it's perfect there are uh podcasts of people walking around the theme parks and recording with binaural mics.

and that I've used to fall asleep if they're describing the monorail oh yeah I used to do that too like I had this recording of Ellen's energy adventure this was when I was very young you don't have to add a qualifier to that there's always a good something about this particular one just seems like kind of sicko mode and so yeah i was like 13 or 14 but i had this like just the entire 45 minute

ellen's energy adventure attraction audio and i would fall asleep to that or the american adventure You were channeling the spirit of overheated dads for both of them. That's right, and I didn't sleep in both of those attractions, maybe that's why. But you didn't get overheated in a different way by... sexy, sexy Bill Nye a la somebody's person bride over here. Jason's arch nemesis now. Bill Nye. All my damn entries. Let's go find...

Your fun music videos are not fun to be anymore. Beakman was better than you. Oh, my first grade science teacher was so anti-Beakman. Really? Yeah, she hated Beakman. She loved Billy. eye but she would occasionally begrudgingly put on Because Beechman was too wild with science? I think he was probably, she found him annoying. Strange camera angles. Unrealistic hair. What about that mouse guy that was a sidekick?

Oh, I don't care for him. I thought it was a big rat. Was it a rat? I don't know. I liked him. Yeah, we should wind it down. We've been going for a long time, but this has been a wonderful exploration, I feel. Were there any runner-ups for anyone? Was there anything that you wanted to... One that was very formative for me was everything that plays before Captain EO. Everything while you're waiting for it to start. I think I had a big influence on my music taste.

in general, like, still, like, scares me to a bit. Like, it really, really takes me there. That's on YouTube. Just, like, you know, kind of, like, variations on one little, like... You know, one little synth theme and just kind of like ambienting out the same musical neck of the woods. But then with, you know, with little weird scary stabs of little sparkly synth things. Yeah, still scares me like I was three.

yeah no i that's that stuff is good um when they talk about like the arts arts and crafts movement in california like there's a little tram loop with all the also with like oh that's right that would have been the name for inspired by the arts and crafts movement but that is really like

That kind of takes me there. Yeah, and for whatever reason that phrase, and I think that maybe there isn't even music under it, but now I start thinking of dca aesthetic and the music when i think of that phrase i was inspired by arts and crafts movements in early california i think i say that we got it I am on the email newsletter of the Museum of Arts and Crafts, which I believe is in Florida. The Museum of the Arts and Crafts movie.

So the movement was not just California. There was a movement happening everywhere. I think it was kind of worldwide. It wasn't in California at all. Disney's lying. That voiceover's lying. I bet there were arts and crafts movements in a lot of states.

Yeah, probably just Florida. Or maybe just Florida. Yeah, and they're stealing it. Anything else you consider? Anything else you want to shout out? We don't have a lot of time. We shouldn't go on and on, but Epic Universe. So what I will say about... epic universe is that the music i heard there was all really good i think like the burke music loop is potentially just music from the

scores of the movies but they're very well selected it's not just playing it's not playing some pop song that was at the end of how to train your dragon which i assume there was one it's like very atmospheric it's what party rock anthem was from i believe party rock anthem love theme from how to train your dragon um and and like of course the danny elfman stuff is really atmospheric and cool when you're in the land but the celestial park music To me, really?

really rules apparently maybe 14 hours of it that's what i heard i remember jim hill i think he maybe said 60 and i got excited but no i think maybe i miss a lot of hours it is as 16 as 60 I think maybe he was not wrong whether to bother people I know at Universal going like do you have access to these is there any box sets coming with these

14, that's 60 hours. I wouldn't be surprised. Massive crate lands. Yeah, they're not in crate. The vinyl of Dark Universe already. Yeah. And they're sold out. So obviously there's They're thinking in that way, I think. Celestial Park, as far as I can tell, every restaurant had a loop. Meteor Astro Pub. Had a loop. Pizza moon as a loop. Pizza moon as a loop. Pizza moon as a loop.

starlight uh no stardust racers has a really like moody yeah score that plays next to it and a little bit of dynamic like island of adventure growing dynamic place dynamic with like as you walk from place to place that song changes. I think there might be a little bit of that too, but I'll go back soon. Supposedly people who worked on Port of Entry also worked on Slashfield Park. That explains why I personally loved... I love Celestial Park and I thank you guys.

Yeah, I know. You were trying to sell us on it because we did not fall in the state that we saw. We did not necessarily fall in the state. I always try to invite anyone who listens to the show when they do the show to rip into it.

before they start. And that's the closest it's happened. This is a gentle way to do it. No, no. Well, I'm trying to unleash... Well, you like to get fucked up, so you want people to rip into you. I want people to unleash the beast. I'm saying I believe in your capacity to love. I hope you're coming at us with positive educational Epcot energy. We can find a way.

Yeah, we can explore the cosmos. There's so many good angles online. And I don't hate Celestial Park, but there's so many good angles that I didn't experience in that day. I think when you both go back, I think you will see it in a new light. Have you seen the video where someone took the old camcorder? to epic universe and it's soundtracked with like an instrumental uh killers when when uh when we were young yeah came out 20 years It's all down.

That's not what I was laughing about the killer. I think I was laughing at the idea that that is going to make it a moving experience. I felt emotional. That would make me feel emotional. Yeah, hearing that tune and the old footage. Yeah, it worked. It worked. Okay, so we are now, what were you saying? Epic Universe, we're heading into an area where area loops are more important than ever. This might be the greatest chapter of area loop we've ever experienced. I think that... It shows progress.

and it shows that they're thinking about it still, which is all I ask for. Disney, I think, is still thinking about it in certain... places like i think they've gotten a little more boring they aren't they aren't willing to do their their their weird little ray lynches and their blips and bloops yeah i don't know if that ray lynch era is ever coming back but um like i mean if they're making new music i support it um yeah but none of this like saving mr bank Crap, I just don't-

don't just throw stuff you have the rights to from like nat geo documentaries and call it yeah that's not think about it because it's important and it gives people a lot to to think about and a lot to talk about which it was so nice to do here uh before a while with you. Great idea, Fernup. Thank you for bringing it to us.

And just so great to have you on the show properly, not via the avatar system. So happy to say, Kevin Tully, you survived podcast the ride. Nice. Let's exit through the gift shop. Anything you'd like to plug? Yeah, Telethon, the band. All of our music is available for free, telethonband.bandcamp.com. We have a new album, Suburban Electric, came out early March. and tour, at least a small tour, happening in July. Great, great.

uh yes well yeah check all that out i really like the record uh and it has been great hanging and getting to know you over the last couple of from the but a contemporary related email to a lot of good hangs and a great episode here. So thanks. Yes, happy to do it anytime. It's been a hoot. Wonderful, wonderful. Sorry, Kevin, would you come back and do an episode just on that pervert cat? The Rippington's cat. Yeah.

I could be my birthday shot. We would have to find primary source material of who illustrated it. We need to talk to the person who created the ripping. It's not far from that. I don't know. There's sort of some... wolfgang puckiness to it yeah yeah i think it ties into and and just there's like an airbrush thing about it i think is very interesting it's a little t-shirt you would buy to save the rainforest.

and a little of that global coffee shop. I think it's very related to global coffee shop. See, the rainforest, that was the same artist who drew a lot of the Joe Camel stuff. Oh, that's right. Oh, I forgot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, no, it's definitely, it's camel core, it's rainforest core. And did you not inspire a tattoo of this? What was the story with the tattoo? Oh, the telethon bassist, Alex, he got tattoos to represent every member of telethon. And mine is a Rippington's cat.

When asked how do I sum you up via tattoo, you said this cat. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I wanted him to do the one from the Rippington's album for exclamation point where the Rippington's cat is swinging a golf club. I play golf, but he didn't want to get like a golf, a golf. insignia on his leg. That's fair. Scary cat golfing. Yeah, it's whichever one has a, it's like a Joker motif, like a card.

Really, really an ugly version. I think the Rippington's cat can be cute, but that is not a version that is cute. When you look up Rippington's cat, you will see many...

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